[00:33] Riddell, apachelogger: I've just uploaded gtk-kde4 to REVU [01:03] apachelogger: wha? [03:33] AHAHAHA: http://wadejolson.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/be-careful-of-what-you-wish-for/ [03:42] lol'ed at that [03:42] from jorge on identi.ca [04:03] i hate it when there is severe weather when i travel [04:03] i never remember what county i'm in to figure out if the storm warning is for me or not [05:16] * ScottK tries sudo dpkg -i every non-debug binary in kde 3.5.10. [06:13] Riddell: bug #261366 is uploaded and I asked slangasek to accept it. I'm headed to bed, so please accept away if he hasn't. [06:13] Launchpad bug 261366 in hardy-backports "Please update to KDE 3.5.10 in hardy-backports" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261366 [07:32] vorian: what did I do? [09:04] Oo [09:05] if bugzilla's search was any worse... [09:05] searching for 'online reader' brings up results where the topic matches this string as the very last item -.- [09:54] <\sh> sebas: this is humiliation what you did to wade...;) [10:34] \sh: You say that like that's a bad thing. [11:04] is rsibreak-kde4 4:0.9.0~beta3-kde4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 just displaying blank dialogs in hardy for anyone else? [11:06] mainly configure dialog but also welcome tip [11:45] seaLne: seems quite broken in intrepid :( [11:59] devfil: did I hear you were going to motu? [11:59] Riddell: yes, yesterday I have sent my email to MOTU council mailing list [12:03] * Riddell e-mails support [12:06] Riddell: thanks [12:08] Riddell: I assume it was you accepted the 3.5.10 backports? Thanks. [12:08] Now if the buildd's would just peddle faster. [12:09] devfil: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40637/ [12:09] To test the 3.5.10 build I installed every single non-debug KDE package on my laptop. I'm learning about all kinds of new stuff. [12:10] arts and kdelibs compiled [12:10] apachelogger: thanks, I'm also looking to qt4-style that should be included in gtk-kde4 [12:10] Riddell: Is there anyone you can ping about Bug #259436. I find it highly annoying as I don't routinely use anything but Konqueror. [12:10] Launchpad bug 259436 in ubuntu-website "Wiki login not persistent with Konqueror" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259436 [12:10] devfil: k [12:10] Riddell: why did you delete kinfocenter in intrepid? [12:11] Riddell: Yes, I'm watching through the web U/I and anxiously checking for build failure mail (none so far). [12:11] ScottK-laptop: #canonical-sysadmin ? [12:11] apachelogger: I did? [12:11] Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/kinfocenter [12:11] Deleted on 2008-08-05 by Jonathan Riddell (not in KDE 4) [12:12] Riddell: Dunno. I was thinking you might have more luck than me at it. I can ask. [12:12] apachelogger: I accepted a kinfocenter from New recently [12:13] good morning [12:13] Heya nixternal. [12:13] apachelogger: hmm, I don't know [12:13] UPS better deliver my machine at work today, otherwise I woke up for nothing :P [12:13] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kinfocenter [12:14] I accepted a binary [12:14] all very strange [12:15] but I don't see it now [12:18] I think any binary would show up at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/kinfocenter [12:19] * ScottK-laptop guesses Soyuz was hungry that day. [12:19] ... [12:19] Riddell: it will be republished with 4.1.1 anyway [12:27] heya [12:30] salut smarter [12:31] hallo apachelogger ;) [12:38] Riddell: any clue when the fix will go in for the "about kubuntu" icon on desktop? [12:38] davmor2: nope [12:38] Okay :) [12:38] JontheEchidna: get my jockey e-mail? [12:41] apachelogger: do you suggest me to put qt4 style to another package? [12:42] devfil: no [12:42] ok [12:42] gtk-kde4 doesn't make much sense without that style and I guess the style doesn't without gtk-kde4 [12:43] smarter: when do you apply for master of the unemployeds? [12:44] apachelogger: right after Feature Freeze I think [12:44] i.e. tomorrow? [12:44] Riddell: yeah, no clue what it means though... [12:45] apachelogger: FF is in two days, no? [12:45] I honestly dunno [12:45] maybe /me needs a few more minutes to wake up [12:46] fridge doesn't say a word about ff -.- [12:46] smarter: indeed, 28th it is [12:52] Riddell: I don't see anything I changed that would make a difference... I see no reference to a --check option in the current version of jockey in the repos [12:53] oh nice. kernel panic when rebooting [12:56] JontheEchidna: in jockey/ui.py ? [12:57] ah [13:01] how does this read? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-3.5.10 [13:02] JontheEchidna: maybe look at how language-selector parses command args, but then pass a copy of the original sys.args since kcmdlineargs will eat the bits it cares about [13:02] Riddell: misspelled repository, second para [13:03] Devid or David? [13:03] Devid apparantly [13:03] thanks seele [13:07] Riddell: we should work on the appearance of news [13:07] they aren't too attractive IMHO :S [13:11] apachelogger: more bling welcome [13:14] Riddell: where would I pass the a copy of the original args to? [13:16] JontheEchidna: ui.py seems to read it directly from sys.argv but kcmdlineargs can eat entries from sys.argv so you might need to take a copy and copy it back [13:16] ah, so I don't need to implement everything with KCmdLineArgs? [13:17] no but you need to make it accept the arguments else it'll moan that they're incorrect [13:19] let's see if this works... [13:19] nope [13:21] think I should just clear sys.argv after I get a copy so that the KApp won't far out? [13:21] cool, that works [13:21] that's an idea [13:22] don't clear sys.argv but pass an empty list to kcmlineargs [13:22] then sys.argv will be left in peace to be ready by ui.py [13:23] yeah, that's what I did [13:23] argscopy = sys.argv [13:23] sys.argv = [""] [13:23] KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData) [13:23] kapp = KApplication() [13:23] sys.argv = argscopy [13:23] ...without that weird whitespace junk that konvo did [13:24] stdin: jpds ping? [13:24] and the args work :D [13:25] <\sh> ScottK: hmm..no..actually I found it funny, that wade did do as requested ,-) [13:25] Riddell: pushed to bzr [13:31] * apachelogger broke his khc branch -.- [13:32] * JontheEchidna disappears for a bit [13:45] Hobbsee: pong. [13:50] Is the grub entry selection (for reboot) fixed in KDE 3.5.10 ? [14:08] is there a repository for qt 4.4.1 ? [14:09] toma: no, I don't think anyone has looked into backporting it unfortunately [14:10] Riddell: there seems to be a problem with kde and that version (hence not in backports), but i need 4.4.1 for a non-kde user so i was just wondering if anyone had a secret repository [14:25] hwh [14:25] heh [14:25] why not put kde 3.5.10 in the normal updates for hardy? === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [14:29] has anyone seen Artemis_Fowl around? I haven't seen him since akademy (or shortly thereafter) [14:29] jeroen-: Because of upstream changes you can't build it all in Main. kdeartwork needs a package from Universe, so it would fail to build. [14:29] jeroen-: Up until last night, hardy-proposed -> hardy-updates was the plan. [14:30] jeroen-: I've gotten stuff copied from backports to updates before, so it may end up there eventually. [14:31] ScottK: ok, but e.g. Firefox is also in the normal updates; and if kdeartwork needs a package from universe, that will also affect backports? right? [14:32] jeroen-: No. Backports doesn't care about Main/Universe. [14:32] ScottK: ok hopefully it will, because I have a bunch of PC's I don't want to switch to kde4 yet, because those people are just learning kde3 [14:32] ScottK: I didnt know thta [14:33] Since things move between Main and Universe in different release, Main backports would be very tough if that wasn't the case. [14:33] ok thanks for your answer [14:40] apachelogger: I've uploaded a new gtk-kde4 package [14:50] Riddell: Adept still not working. nor is the updater opens and closes again immediately [14:56] davmor2: in intrepid? adpet 3 and adeptupdater 3 are the replacements [14:58] jjesse: yes intrepid. Are these in place on the 20080826 cd? [14:58] davmor2: i dont think they are on the cd but check w/ Riddell [14:58] i know i installed them on my intrepid build [14:58] jjesse: ah okay thanks [15:00] * lamont wonders just how kdelibs4c2a/hardy Depends: sudo [15:03] * smarter is preparing Kvkbd 0.5.99 release [15:05] lamont: kdelibs (4:3.5.8-3ubuntu1) hardy; urgency=low [15:05] lamont: - build with --with-sudo-kdesu-backend and build-dep on sudo and make kdelibs4c2a depend on sudo [15:06] how very.. sigh. [15:06] it would be nice, sometime, to be able to install kde libs in a chroot without getting sudo in the chroot. [15:16] if the backend knew to try a couple different methods, rather than just one, then it could recommend sudo, and fall back to su if sudo wasn't there [15:16] devfil: You have comments. [15:23] Ladies and Gentlemen, Kvkbd 0.5.99 is officialy released :) http://ks33313.kimsufi.com/~smarter/kvkbd/kvkbd-0.5.99.tar.gz [15:23] Bzr branch here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~smarter/kvkbd/trunk [15:23] Debian packaging here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kvkbd/ubuntu [15:24] Riddell: ^ could you please review/upload that? :) [15:25] ScottK-laptop: I have questions about comments [15:26] Shoot. [15:26] 1: if I don't set THIS_SHOULD_GO_TO_UNSTABLE = 1 it will not debuild [15:26] dpkg-parsechangelog | grep ^Distribution | grep -q 'experimental\|UNRELEASED' [15:26] make: *** [clean] Error 1 [15:26] for all ubuntu packages using kde4.mk it should be used as we don't have exprerimental release [15:27] right? [15:27] apachelogger: ^^^? [15:27] I haven't done much with KDE4 yet. [15:27] Seems like an omission in kde4.mk to not have the Kubuntu releases in it. [15:27] OK. Let's leave that for now. [15:28] I: gtk-kde4 source: debian-watch-file-is-missing (I wouldn’t block on this for the initial upload if you commit to do it before release). [15:28] how can I do the watch file if the project is hosted in kde-apps? [15:28] the download link is http://www.kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content=74689&id=3&tan=22218831 [15:28] Why is that a problem? [15:28] etc... [15:28] * ScottK-laptop looks [15:29] uhm it points to http://betta.h.com.ua/no-site/gtk-kde4v0.8b.tar.gz that I hope is the upstream site [15:29] * ScottK-laptop hands devfil http://betta.h.com.ua/no-site/ [15:29] Yes. [15:30] A lot of files in the upstream code are executable that don’t need to be. Please make then not executable in debian/rules. [15:31] in the rules there are commands to make them not executable [15:31] * ScottK-laptop looks [15:31] after # Fix executable-not-elf-or-script lintian warnings [15:32] devfil: OK. The other stuff isn't installed in the binary package, so it's OK as it. [15:32] it/is [15:32] to fix I: kcm-gtk-kde4: arch-dep-package-has-big-usr-share 1276kB 90% (please look into this one, not sure it’s worth the trouble). [15:32] I can move the qt4theme to another package [15:33] Yes. If you can do that, it would be better. I'll save over 1MB/per arch. It all adds up. [15:33] ScottK-laptop: 1MB per arch? [15:34] the deb is ~120kb [15:34] Odd. [15:34] 131,4kb [15:34] it's gzipped [15:34] Right. [15:35] devfil: Add a lintian over-ride for that one then. [15:35] smarter: Thanks. [15:35] ok [15:35] ScottK-laptop: you're welcome ;) [15:35] ScottK-laptop: a lintian override for an info? [15:36] devfil: I wouldn't block if it's not there, but it's preferred. [15:40] ScottK-laptop: uhm, for the watch file.... upstream uses a particular way to call tarballs, the package is 0.8~beta1 but the tarball gtk-kde4v0.8b.tar.gz, how can I do the watch file so? [15:41] devfil: Pull out your regex book and get to work. [15:41] This is why I said I wouldn't block on it. Getting that right will take some work that can be done after feature freeze. [15:41] ScottK-laptop: I can do a regex, but in the next version probability will not work [15:43] So you need a better regex I guess. I think it's a solvable problem, but am not a super regex wiz, so I don't have specific suggestions. [15:43] Worry about it for later. [15:45] ScottK-laptop: if I use ~b1 as package version I think it is simple to do [15:46] OK. [15:55] ScottK-laptop: echo "0.8~b1" | sed 's/~//;s/[0-1]$//;' [15:56] If it works, I'm happy. [16:02] ScottK-laptop: it works [16:02] Newest version on remote site is 0.8rc2, local version is 0.8~b1 [16:02] (mangled local version number 0.8b) [16:03] devfil: Then how about we package rc2 then? [16:03] ScottK-laptop: it isn't released on kde-apps so I prefer to not update to it now [16:03] OK. [16:11] can someone deal with taskjuggler? it's dying over kdepim-dev. Thanks! [16:11] smarter: kvkbd working well here [16:11] smarter: shall I just upload it? [16:20] devfil: I need to run. Feel free to paste the relevant bits of our conversation into REVU so other MOTU will know what we agreed. [16:21] ScottK-laptop: ok [16:26] JontheEchidna: was jockey ported to use install-package? [16:26] Riddell: no, I don't think it uses adept-batch after all [16:27] grep doesn't suggest it does [16:27] JontheEchidna: ok, let me see if I can work out how to upload this [16:27] thanks [16:34] Riddell: After reading the KDE announcement for 3.5.10 that includes "changelog is not complete as our developers often forget to document their work", I feel better about backports. [16:35] ScottK: mmm [16:39] JontheEchidna: hmm, do-release fails miserably [16:39] Riddell: go ahead, upload it :) [16:40] :( [16:41] JontheEchidna: this is always what happens when I try and touch jockey [16:41] Think we'll be able to get a FFE for it? [16:43] smarter: uploaded, thanks [16:43] smarter: did you contact the original author? [16:43] Riddell: sending a mail right now === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi === blizzzek is now known as blizzz === devfil_ is now known as devfil [17:01] JontheEchidna: uploaded! [17:01] Riddell: you figured it out? :D [17:02] JontheEchidna: well, I worked around it [17:02] JontheEchidna: probably I did it wrong and pitti will moan but that's what he gets for going on holiday before FF :) [17:02] ;-) [17:02] and if it's broken enough it'll ensure a release with the pykde changes, \o/ [17:59] khelpcenter(29192) KHC::SearchEngine::search: SearchEngine::search() commonSearchProgram is EMPTY [17:59] no goody goody === devfil_ is now known as devfil [18:34] \sh: [19:23:21] Hi guys. Everytime I start up my laptop with KDE4 on Kubuntu, Adept tells me I need to update python-qt4 and python-qt4-common. I do the update but it comes up again saying it needs an update. Any idea why? This has been going on for over a week. [18:37] ok, time to update all the packages I maintain to latest version before Feature Freeze :) [19:12] libmysqlclient15off: Depends: mysql-common (>= 5.0.67-0ubuntu2) but it is not installable [19:12] yay for mysql being b0rken two days before feature freeze :/ [19:13] so long as it has the features, it doesn't matter if they don't work :) [19:13] yep, but I can't pbuild my packages [19:18] anyway, as long as I don't change the deps, it should work [19:18] Riddell: do you have some times to upload some packages? :) [19:19] smarter: can do [19:19] cool [19:22] Riddell: please upload https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/bespin/ubuntu and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~smarter/qdevelop/ubuntu [19:24] smarter: is there a magic command for doing the get-orig and debuild and stuff? [19:24] Riddell: debian/rules get-orig-source(or -svn) && bzr builddeb --merge [19:24] or bzr bd --merge [19:24] resulting build will be ../build-area [19:25] if you just want to debuild -S -sa, add --builder='debuild -S -sa' [19:25] bzr: ERROR: A Debian packaging error occurred: Could not find upstream tarball at ../tarballs/kde4-style-bespin_0.1~svn080826.orig.tar.gz [19:25] after the get-orig-thing [19:25] move the tarball to ../tarballs [19:27] ok, think I got it to do something [19:28] great [20:09] Riddell: I've updated webkit too: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/webkit-open-source/webkitkde-ubuntu :) [20:09] and splitted it in 4 binary packages [20:10] oh, wait for rev9 [20:11] I forgot something [20:11] should be okay now [20:15] smarter: ah, webkitkde [20:17] uploaded, thanks smarter [20:32] you're welcome ;) [20:33] hmm, adept is not the only app that doesn't work with kdesudo, kvpm doesn't start too [20:35] Riddell: I've modified kvpm to use cdbs' kde4.mk: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kvpm/ubuntu [20:36] Riddell: any idea why kio-bookmarks, plasmoid-lancelot, and plasmoid-toggle-compositing all failed? [20:36] JontheEchidna: mysql is b0rken, and qt depends on mysql [20:36] blah [20:37] actually it seems that everything built on i386 [20:37] * smarter is 64 bits :) [20:38] well this means I can file a new-upstream-release bug for lancelot [20:38] yay! [20:38] 1.0 just in time for feature freeze [20:38] JontheEchidna: hmm, actually kio-bookmarks failed for another reason [20:38] kdelibs5-dev: Depends: kdelibs5 (= 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu12) but it is not going to be installed [20:38] Depends: libsoprano-dev (>= 2.1) but it is not going to be installed [20:38] and it's probably the same for the other one [20:54] smarter: Hm, and it still doesn't, even with the fixed desktop files? [20:54] mornfall: oh, it works now [20:54] what did you change? [20:55] desktop files... [20:55] yes, but what did you change in the desktop files? :] [20:55] smarter: Ask apachelogger I guess, he fixed them, IIRC. [20:55] * smarter grabs the changelog [21:02] * JontheEchidna testbuilds lancelot 1.0 [21:17] Anybody up for sponsoring bug 261602? [21:17] Launchpad bug 261602 in plasmoid-lancelot "New upstream release (1.0)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261602 [21:49] is there something wrong with openid on the wiki? it doesnt keep me logged in past the forward page [21:49] Yes, all konqueror users get that [21:49] :( [21:50] bah, i have to use ugly firefox? [21:51] could try arora [21:51] ugly? [21:51] thats what themes are for [21:53] Riddell: i happen to have it installed too. some developer randomly asked me to look at it a while back. [21:53] JontheEchidna: did you change any plasma desktop defaults since the last meeting? i think there were a few suggestions we made [21:55] seele: Yup. Would you like a screenshot of the default desktop? [21:55] JontheEchidna: maybe put it somewhere so we can look at it during the meeting tomrrow [21:56] k, the latest round of changes are only in bzr and still need publishing, etc [21:56] i think one of the things we havent done yet is figure out which plasmoids are on the desktop by default besides the file plasmoid (if there will be anything else) [21:56] * JontheEchidna goes off to grab a screenshot [21:57] hehehehehehehahahahaha [21:57] jailbreaking an itouch is so fun [21:57] particularily the stuff you can do with it afterwards [22:00] * JontheEchidna is back, uploading screenshot === mcas is now known as mcas_away [22:03] seele: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/intrepiddefault.png [22:04] JontheEchidna: need to add the Show Dashboard widget to the panel [22:05] oh yeah, I forgot we discussed that [22:05] any opinion on where it goes? [22:07] hum.. i dont know. i'd say keep all of the utility stuff together, but you've separated the desktop navigator from the device notifier [22:09] I could put the device notifier back between the clock and systemtray like it was in 4.0.x [22:09] then maybe put show dashboard between the system tray and desktop navigator === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [23:15] out of all the packages I've reviewed today, I wonder if hamster-applet or guake should get the prize for worst name [23:16] lol [23:16] i love my fugitive itouch [23:16] :P [23:16] but those are bad names [23:21] Haha @ hamster-applet [23:22] whats hamster-applet do [23:23] as long as it aint the hamster dance. [23:30] Riddell: fix for bespin and qdevelop FTBFS on their bzr branches [23:31] Merging from remembered location bzr+ssh://jr@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/bespin/ubuntu/ [23:31] Nothing to do. [23:33] oops, forgot to push change [23:34] (by the way, you should use pull to get new revs, not merge) [23:34] Pushed up to revision 20. [23:35] and someone should figure out why kdelibs5 is uninstallable on every arch but i386 on the buildds [23:36] word on the streets is mysql's fault [23:36] damn [23:37] I've updated kvpm to use kde4.mk too if you want to take a look: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kvpm/ubuntu [23:37] * smarter is off to bed [23:37] thanks for uploading my packages Riddell ;) [23:37] and good night all [23:46] (and there's still no l10n for kde4 :p) [23:48] pitti is on holiday so no chance of language packs even if launchpad was doing them [23:48] doh :/ [23:49] half-translated kde4 is no fun [23:50] I would like to do a bug report for menue editor, can you tell me which package it is associated with?