[00:45] <cecil44> how can i fix "login failed" ?
[01:02] <mneptok> supply the correct credentials?
[01:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[01:12] <emet_> is Ubuntu 8.10 going to come with Wine 1.1.X by default?
[01:12] <emet_> !info wine intrepid
[01:26] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/261318  -- edited description.
[01:31] <cecil44> I get login failed, added a new user,get same thing ?
[01:36] <DanaG> cecil44: are you using the old broken libpam-runtime?
[01:37] <DanaG> Try downloading the fixed deb and installing it from recovery mode, with dpkg -i.
[01:38] <DanaG> cecil44: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pam/
[01:38] <DanaG> look for the newest libpam-runtime deb; download it and put it somewhere you can read from Ubuntu.
[01:39] <cecil44> DanaG: what ever the upgrades gave me, I have another 8.10 thats still going fine !
[01:40] <DanaG> The broken one is Intrepid, right?
[01:40] <cecil44> There both Intrepid
[01:40] <cecil44> one works, one dont
[01:40] <UnNaturalHigh> if I just wanted to use the kernel from intrepid and I have added the repository and pinned it, would 'sudo apt-get install -t intrepid linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic' work or do I need additional packages?
[01:43] <cecil44> DanaG:I have been tring to fix it for a week, getting tired.
[01:43] <cecil44> DanaG:Thanks for the help, I'll give it a try
[01:52] <RAOF> emet_: Given that Wine 1.0 is their designated stable release, I'd guess we'll be using that.
[01:53] <emet_> RAOF, 1.0 is not very stable :\
[01:54] <RAOF> File a bug :)
[01:54] <RAOF> upstream, obviously.
[01:54] <emet_> oh they have many many bug reports already
[01:54] <emet_> fact of the matter is it's not bugs
[01:54] <bluesmoke> anyone noticing a massive regression in performance and stability with the intel driver in intrepid? I'm using an X3100
[01:54] <RAOF> But 1.0 _is_ stable, in that it's not changing.  So something that works now isn't going to be mysteriously not working tomorrow.
[01:54] <emet_> simply incomplete software
[01:55] <bluesmoke> RAOF: but are they doing anything to manage regressions?
[01:55] <emet_> no programming errors that be fixed with a couple lines of code, but Wine needs hundreds of thousands of more lines of code
[01:55] <emet_> that's why I don't think we should be pretending it's "stable"
[01:55] <RAOF> bluesmoke: What regressions?  They're probably interested in hearing about them.
[01:56] <bluesmoke> RAOF: *shrug*
[01:56] <bluesmoke> Just a question
[01:56] <RAOF> I'm not sure if they'll be releasing 1.0 bugfix releases.
[01:56] <bluesmoke> I doubt everything that works in 1.0 will work in 1.2 though
[01:56] <bluesmoke> anyway... about that intel driver...
[01:57] <bluesmoke> it's really bad, in hardy i get 2x fps in glxgears and can actually run OpenGL apps
[01:57] <bluesmoke> in intrepid the only gl apps I can use are compiz and glxgears
[01:58] <bluesmoke> if i try to play a game it either runs at maybe 0.5 fps, looks like garbage (literally, can't figure out what is on the screen), both, or locks the system
[01:58] <bluesmoke> dunno if it's the intel driver, mesa, or xorg but I know the 2.4 driver was apparently a bad release
[01:59] <emet_> try using this command "glxinfo | grep dir"
[01:59] <bluesmoke> Notice the part where compiz works
[01:59] <emet_> still
[01:59] <bluesmoke> And software rendering would be slow but perfect
[01:59] <bluesmoke> Not slow and broken
[01:59] <bluesmoke> Plus I'm not a moron
[02:00] <emet_> no one said you were
[02:00] <bluesmoke> direct rendering: Yes
[02:01] <bluesmoke> Do you have an X3100? I'm mostly looking for someone else to confirm my problems so I can report a bug with as much info as possible
[02:01] <emet_> no
[02:02] <bluesmoke> maybe i should just try the gem stuff, the devs at intel are obviously testing opengl with that
[02:03] <bluesmoke> but i really don't want to build another kernel today just for the patches to make the new drm build
[02:03] <emet_> they released a new driver around the time X4500HD came out
[02:03] <emet_> but I doubt they'd break so much stuff
[02:03] <emet_> it's probably Ubuntu's fault in some way
[02:03] <bluesmoke> that driver is 2.4.0
[02:04] <bluesmoke> They released a 2.4.1 that, from what they say the improvements are, seems to prove the 2.4.0 release was absolutely terrible
[02:05] <bluesmoke> I suppose Ubuntu could be screwing something up in the xserver
[02:06] <emet_> that's what I probably think, I doubt Intel could release a driver that failed that badly on a common chipset, or it could be the weird combination with your hardware
[02:06] <bluesmoke> ooh, 2.4.97.0 (2.5 alpha) release
[02:06] <bluesmoke> Well, I suppose they don't do much testing on a macbook
[02:07] <bluesmoke> But it's still a regression from what we had in hardy
[02:09] <burner> i think macbooks should be better with the new kernel right/
[02:10] <DanaG> next laptop I'm going to get will be an HP EliteBook. (kinda' cool name, too).
[02:10] <bluesmoke> burner: What in particular are you referring to?
[02:10] <bluesmoke> DanaG: They're not as rugged as the toughbooks
[02:11] <DanaG> But they look much much nicer.
[02:11] <DanaG> Have you seen one of the HP ones?
[02:12] <bluesmoke> not in person
[02:12] <DanaG> They seem to be sort of late on the market -- the one I'll want is going to be available "in September" -- so it could even be the very last day of the month.
[02:13] <DanaG> Grr... I hate waiting... especially when it's for an indeterminate date.
[02:15]  * mneptok is strongly considering a Sylvania Meso
[02:52] <bluesmoke> well, upgrading the intel driver seems to have fixed some mouse jitter and odd compiz display issues (when mapping new windows) but games are still broken and glxgears has gone down by half yet again
[02:52] <bluesmoke> hardy was 1150 fps, now i'm at 300 fps
[02:52] <bluesmoke> that's like software rendering speed
[02:54] <bluesmoke> on the bright side, blur in compiz (sort of) works
[02:55] <bluesmoke> alpha blur doesn't seem to work, only focus blur and it'll randomly start getting really slow but...
[02:55] <bluesmoke> better than before when it just crashed compiz and/or kicked it into software rendering
[03:07] <_Zeus_> upgrading to 8.10 :-P
[03:45] <Mulder> will the new theme engine that was flagged for hardy land in intrepid?
[03:47] <_Zeus_> Mulder: I believe it is, but I'm not sure
[03:47] <Mulder> ok
[03:48] <DanaG> What new theme engine?
[03:49] <Mulder> there was talk in late october/november for a theme resdesign for hardy
[03:49] <Mulder> never landed in hardy, but i think it migth still be on the cards at some stage
[03:50] <_Zeus_> oops :-(
[03:50] <DanaG> My current theme: http://picpaste.com/pics/screenshot-orange-nodoka-2.1219718992.png
[03:51] <Mulder> not bad. looks like human
[03:52] <Mulder> except more grey
[03:54] <DanaG> And un-glossy.
[04:12] <_Zeus_> is nautilus not working in intrepid>
[04:12] <_Zeus_> ?
[04:13] <SeveredCross> Works for me.
[04:13] <_Zeus_> hmm...
[04:13] <_Zeus_> if i start it from terminal, i get no output
[04:14] <_Zeus_> have no desktop
[04:18] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[04:18] <_Zeus_> well, booted to the older kernel, i think .21 and now nautilus works.  but my graphics card is only at 800x600
[04:18] <_Zeus_> gonna reconfigure xorg
[04:18] <SeveredCross> Weird...
[04:24] <_Zeus_> why does my screen flash all the time in hardy?  can someone assist me in submitting a bug report?
[04:24] <mneptok> _Zeus_: stop blinking
[04:24] <_Zeus_> mneptok: ???
[04:24] <mneptok> sorry, long day.
[04:24] <_Zeus_> what does that mean?
[04:25] <mneptok> i have no idea.
[04:25] <mneptok> i'll shut up now.
[04:25] <_Zeus_> oh haha lol now i get it :-P:
[04:25] <mneptok> :)
[04:25] <_Zeus_> and compiz doesn'
[04:25] <_Zeus_> t work which is odd
[07:32] <Lunks> I need to ć to become ç
[07:33] <Lunks> xev shows me XmbLookupString is what gives me ć
[07:33] <Lunks> How to replace it?
[07:52] <SeveredCross> Is it a known bug that Firefox can't be set as /usr/bin/www-browser?
[07:53] <SeveredCross> All my links keep opening in freaking Lynx.
[08:03] <vega--> are there nightly intrepid iso images somewhere?
[08:03] <vega--> or weekly or something
[08:04] <RAOF> There are dailies, yes. I forget precisely where they live on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:04] <RAOF> Unless you're testing the installer or the livecd they're not particularly interesting.
[08:04] <vega--> found this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20080826/
[08:04] <RAOF> Although testing the installer & livecd is not unimportant :)
[08:06] <vega--> just trying on a test machine if the ati radeon x600 works ok
[08:06] <vega--> or was it r600
[08:06] <vega--> dual-screen with some strange own kind of connector
[08:08] <RAOF> x600 should work nicely out of the box, including 3d.
[08:08] <RAOF> r600 somewhat less so :)
[08:09] <siimo> vega--: or you can grab an 8meg boot.iso and install from ftp mirror
[08:09] <RAOF> r600 should work, but I wouldn't expect 3d untill you install the restricted drivers.
[08:14] <vega--> siimo: sounds better, even better would be to have that on an usb stick
[08:14] <vega--> siimo: where can i find the boot.iso ?
[08:15] <vega--> i remember using some kind of isostick.sh utility in the past..
[08:16] <siimo> vega--: usb stick also supported
[08:17] <siimo> vega--: mini.iso located here: http://www.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[08:17] <siimo> go one up and goto hd-media for the tarballs that can but put onto a usb stick i think
[08:19] <siimo> sorry actually http://www.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/boot.img.gz  can be done from usb
[08:19] <vega--> ok
[08:33] <Sebastian> http://snipplr.com/view/8002/iso-image-to-usb-stick/ works fine here for Hardy.
[10:05] <PolitikerALT> Hello everyone, I got a problem with kdevelop: I always get http://pastebin.com/m59b8d2d8 these errors when compiling a program - even "Hello World" creates these erros. What can I do now?
[10:12] <PolitikerALT> oh, sorry, It's a known bug
[10:43] <Teisei> Hi everybody ! Anyone else having problems with laptop sleep mode ?
[10:44] <Teisei> I can put my Thinkpad T60 to sleep, but can't recover.
[10:45] <Teisei> The screen just flickers
[10:45] <Teisei> And I need to hard reboot using power button
[10:45] <Teisei> In order to get back to Ubuntu again
[10:45] <Teisei> Is it just me or anyone else experiencing the same ?
[11:11] <vega--> i have an ati radeon x600 (rv380), where can i find out if i should install fglrx for dual head (spanning across two monitor)
[11:12] <vega--> intrepide installer defaulted to clone mode, it seems to work ok
[11:15] <vega--> seems the opensource driver has ok 3d for this chipset, but how to configure dualhead properly
[11:35] <RAOF> !xrandr | vega--
[12:10] <BUGabundo> hello
[12:11] <BUGabundo> you can point me to Canonical email servers admin?
[12:12] <BUGabundo> chlorine.canonical.com is running way to slow
[12:12] <BUGabundo> emails are taking up to 4 days to get delivered
[12:15] <BUGabundo> what tool replaces Kcontrol on kde4 on intrepid?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: elmo.  #canonical-sysadmins is the channel, iirc
[12:31] <BUGabundo> thanks Hobbsee
[12:31] <Hobbsee> y/w
[12:31] <BUGabundo> noone there Hobbsee
[12:31] <BUGabundo> lol
[12:31] <Hobbsee> might be without the s
[12:47] <morsch> Hey there... Is there a sensible way to install Intrepid over my current Hardy install? I'd like to keep my data/bookmarks/whatever, but get rid of all the cruft since 7.10, multiple failed fglrx installs, etc ;)
[13:11] <waistless> is there any way I can search for packages which might contain a bugfix I desperately need?
[13:11] <waistless> i.e this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/44233 which claims to have been fixed
[13:40] <SwedeMike> morsch-afk: save the contents of your /home and you should be fine
[13:41] <SwedeMike> morsch-afk: at least everything related to firefox is saved there
[13:49] <oxigen> hey guys, i need help, audio in blender doesn't work any more, so i stopped pulseaudio, but this doesn't help. is there another audio server active? if so which?
[13:54] <doggymenz> my audio is lagging
[13:54] <doggymenz> why?
[13:55] <oxigen> hmm, i have also audio issue..
[13:55] <doggymenz> your audio lags too?
[13:55] <oxigen> doggymenz, do you use rt kernel?
[13:55] <doggymenz> no
[13:55] <oxigen> no, blender cant access audio here
[13:55] <doggymenz>  2.6.26-5-generic
[13:57] <oxigen> i wonder which audio server(s) are activated in linux nowadays..
[13:57] <oxigen> pulseaudio is one.. lately..
[14:10]  * BUGabundo checks for 2.6.27
[14:50] <s0u][ight> is xmms going to be in the repos of intrepid?
[14:52] <bluesmoke> s0u][ight: no
[14:52] <bluesmoke> xmms is dead
[14:52] <s0u][ight> ok ill compile from source code
[14:53] <s0u][ight> xmms is much better than most other media players and i dont need a media manager
[14:53] <bluesmoke> dead as in uses a ton of old and unsupported libraries, has severe bugs that won't be fixed, etc
[14:53] <bluesmoke> but hey, if you want to install half of GNOME 1.4 just for a media player go ahead :P
[14:54] <bluesmoke> I should make a simple GUI around mpg123 for xmms users
[14:54] <s0u][ight> is there a good alternative?,
[14:54] <bluesmoke> No EQ support but it would use almost no CPU and have zero features so they'd like it
[14:54] <bluesmoke> !xmms
[14:54] <bluesmoke> !info audacious
[14:54] <s0u][ight> amarok is just too big
[14:55] <bluesmoke> i agree, amarok is too big
[14:55] <s0u][ight> ok ill try audacious
[14:55] <s0u][ight> does it have something to do with audacity?,
[14:56] <bluesmoke> I used mpg123 from the command line for a week before I realized it didn't help at all with battery life
[14:56] <bluesmoke> No, not really
[14:56] <rage> isnt xmms2 still around?
[14:56] <bluesmoke> xmms2 is not xmms
[14:56] <rage> I know
[14:56] <bardyr> Hey, has anyone got MPX working in intrepid, it should be included in the current X but i cant find the on button
[14:57] <bluesmoke> It is a media manager with it's own gstreamer-like framework that talks to the GUI through an mpd-like framework
[14:57] <rage> But it may be agood alternative
[14:57] <bardyr> bluesmoke, Audacious is a great xmms alternative
[14:57] <bluesmoke> bardyr: It's not included in the X in intrepid, it'll be in xorg 7.5
[14:57] <bluesmoke> bardyr: indeed
[14:57] <bardyr> and its based on audacious
[14:57] <bluesmoke> no, it's a fork of beep-media-player
[14:57] <bluesmoke> and bmp is a fork of xmms
[14:58] <bluesmoke> dunno the reason for the audacious fork but the bmp fork was to port xmms to gtk2 and other such modern libraries
[14:59] <bluesmoke> oh, audacious forked after the bmp guys decided to make BMPx
[14:59] <bluesmoke> which, like xmms2, has no relation to the original project except the name
[15:06] <bardyr> bluesmoke, are you sure (about MPX) i thought i saw a forum thread about it being included in intrepid
[15:06] <bluesmoke> bardyr: I'm sure
[15:07] <bardyr> :(
[15:07] <bardyr> then i guess i install it manually
[15:07] <bluesmoke> bardyr: It got pushed back to xserver 1.6 which will be included in xorg 7.5
[15:07] <bluesmoke> We'll be lucky to get a final xorg 7.4 for intrepid
[15:07] <bardyr> heh
[15:07] <bluesmoke> Installing it manually means building the entire X stack from git
[15:07] <bluesmoke> drm, mesa, xserver, libraries, etc
[15:08] <bardyr> yea, its fun
[15:08] <bluesmoke> oh, and drivers
[15:09] <bluesmoke> I'm about to start downgrading my X stack so I can get OpenGL working again
[15:09] <bardyr> bluesmoke, i just need the nv driver and nvidias binary blob
[15:09] <bluesmoke> input drivers
[15:09] <bardyr> why do you not have opengl?
[15:09] <bluesmoke> and iirc there was a recent change in the evdev driver that might cause some issues
[15:10] <bluesmoke> in hardy I get 1100 fps in glxgears and OpenGL games work, in intrepid (with the 2.5 alpha intel driver) I get 300 fps in glxgears and the only OpenGL app that works is compiz
[15:12] <bluesmoke> maybe i'll just try using the gem stuff, just have to patch my kernel, rebuild the kernel, drm, and intel driver
[15:40] <Teisei> Why does Update Manager set my display brightness to maximum when I click "Check" ?
[15:45] <_Zeus_> hi
[15:45] <_Zeus_> shouldn't my reconfigured xorg.conf have more than 5 lines?
[15:46] <Kurt> hmm...yeah I'd say so :P
[15:46] <_Zeus_> i'll pastebin it
[15:46] <_Zeus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40677/
[15:46] <_Zeus_> i just updated to ibex
[15:48] <danbhfive> I thought xorg.conf was being phased out
[15:48] <_Zeus_> umm....... i have no idea
[15:48] <_Zeus_> also, i have a broken package
[15:48] <_Zeus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40678/
[15:49] <danbhfive> yeah, I thought that it was started to be phased out with hardy
[15:49] <_Zeus_> ok.....
[15:49] <_Zeus_> hmm
[15:49] <_Zeus_> well, compositing is disabled and compiz complains about no whitelisted driver.
[15:49] <_Zeus_> so i figured the problem would be the xorg.conf
[15:50] <_Zeus_> so i reconfigured it, and now it's almost empty
[15:50] <danbhfive> is this an upgrade?
[15:50] <_Zeus_> yes
[15:50] <danbhfive> I thinks you are 2 days early  : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[15:51] <_Zeus_> ah
[15:51] <_Zeus_> hmm
[15:51] <_Zeus_> any idea why that package is broken/how to fix it?
[15:51] <danbhfive> actually, I don't and I'm really curious
[15:52] <_Zeus_> did you see my paste?
[15:52] <_Zeus_> need more info?
[15:52] <danbhfive> you could try, sudo apt-get install -f                 to try and get some of the other packages to install
[15:53] <_Zeus_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:53] <_Zeus_>  kio-umountwrapper
[15:53] <_Zeus_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:53] <_Zeus_> still fails
[15:53] <_Zeus_> i got an error about that package during upgrade
[15:53] <danbhfive> whats it trying to do, install or uninstall?
[15:54] <_Zeus_> uninstall
[15:54] <_Zeus_> it says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 45 not upgraded.
[15:54] <_Zeus_> 1 not fully installed or removed."
[15:54] <danbhfive> try dist-upgrade
[15:54] <_Zeus_> it's downloading some stuff
[15:55] <danbhfive> anyway, this is the norm for intrepid atm.  Stuff can break, even just the packaging
[15:55] <danbhfive> I hope you realize that, and understand the risk
[15:55] <_Zeus_> yeah i realize
[15:56] <_Zeus_> should i submit a bug, or wait to see if it fixes itself?
[15:56] <_Zeus_> can't really submit a bug yet
[15:56] <_Zeus_> upgrade testing hasn't begun lol
[15:56] <danbhfive> I don't know, but Im think along the same lines  : )
[15:57] <_Zeus_> i'm not really worried about stuff anyway, i have /home in a seperate partition, so that makes it very easy to reinstall if something goes bork
[15:57] <bardyr> _Zeus_, try sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[15:57] <_Zeus_> i will as soon as dist-upgrade finishes, thx
[15:58] <danbhfive> bardyr: he was basically doing a safe-upgrade.  Its dpkg thats have trouble, right?
[15:59] <bardyr> danbhfive, idk, but its probably some old versions of the package messing it up
[16:00] <bardyr> but usually aptitude/remove/install combo fixes it
[16:00] <_Zeus_> the weird thing is i got an error about this package while upgrading
[16:00] <_Zeus_> so it's possible that it was messed up in hardy and it didn't find out until it tried to do something to it while upgrading :-P
[16:04] <_Zeus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40681/
[16:04] <_Zeus_> it downloaded 120MB then failed :-(
[16:05] <_Zeus_> will try aptitude
[16:05] <bluesmoke> _Zeus_: won't help
[16:05] <_Zeus_> same
[16:05] <bluesmoke> can you pastebin the file?
[16:06] <bluesmoke> but in a pastebin with line numbers like rafb.net/paste/
[16:06] <bluesmoke> err, the /var/lib/dpkg/info/kio-umountwrapper.postrm file
[16:06] <_Zeus_> ubuntu paste has line numbers...
[16:06] <bluesmoke> oh, bleh
[16:07] <bluesmoke> eyes going funny
[16:07] <_Zeus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40682/
[16:09] <bluesmoke> ok
[16:09] <bluesmoke> evil fix would be to just remove that file
[16:09] <_Zeus_> and the upgrade?
[16:09] <bluesmoke> yeah
[16:09] <_Zeus_> i'm going to do a fresh reinstall when intrepid comes out, anyway so it'll be fixed then
[16:09] <_Zeus_> i'll rename it
[16:09] <bluesmoke> i don't see the syntax error it's complaining about so i dunno what is going on there but if you remove it the upgrade will continue
[16:10] <bluesmoke> no, just move it to ~ or something
[16:11] <_Zeus_> got it
[16:11] <_Zeus_> is this bad?
[16:11] <_Zeus_> bash: fglrxinfo: command not found
[16:11] <bluesmoke> when did it say that?
[16:11] <_Zeus_> matthew@pogo:/$ fglrx
[16:11] <_Zeus_> bash: fglrx: command not found
[16:11] <_Zeus_> matthew@pogo:/$ fglrxinfo
[16:11] <_Zeus_> The program 'fglrxinfo' can be found in the following packages:
[16:11] <_Zeus_>  * xorg-driver-fglrx
[16:11] <_Zeus_>  * xorg-driver-fglrx-envy
[16:11] <_Zeus_> Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[16:11] <_Zeus_> bash: fglrxinfo: command not found
[16:12] <bluesmoke> err, why do you care about fglrx? you have nvidia
[16:12] <_Zeus_> fglrx is ati only?  didn't know that
[16:12] <_Zeus_> what is the equivalent for nvidia?
[16:12] <bluesmoke> glxinfo?
[16:12] <_Zeus_> upgrade worked
[16:13] <bluesmoke> or nvidia-settings or something
[16:13] <_Zeus_> ouch http://paste.ubuntu.com/40684/
[16:13] <bluesmoke> yeah, ouch indeed
[16:13] <_Zeus_> heh i can tell when something is bad
[16:13] <bluesmoke> backup your current xorg.conf, generate a new one, modify it to use the nvidia driver, see if that helps
[16:13] <_Zeus_> ok
[16:15] <_Zeus_> brb
[16:16] <_Zeus_> yay that did it
[16:16] <bluesmoke> oh, he hadn't yet restarted X or the system after upgrading?
[16:16] <_Zeus_> no i had
[16:16] <bluesmoke> s/he/you/ now :P
[16:16] <_Zeus_> rebooted a couple times and used dpkg-reconfigure on xorg.conf but that didn't fix it oddly
[16:16] <_Zeus_> but now it works
[16:17] <bluesmoke> now gimme the screenshot you think proves you don't have a closed-source driver for nvidia :P
[16:19] <_Zeus_> ok
[16:19] <_Zeus_> restricted-manager will do?
[16:19] <_Zeus_> or whatever it's called
[16:20] <danbhfive> heh, its not called that anymore  :(
[16:20] <danbhfive> its some bizarre command
[16:20] <bluesmoke> _Zeus_: if you install the driver using envy or nvidia.com it won't show up there
[16:21] <_Zeus_> i didn't!  i just installed ubuntu and it said there were no restricted drivers needed
[16:21] <bluesmoke> _Zeus_: also if you bought your machine from dell and haven't wiped it i believe they setup nvidia using DKMS at the factory so it won't show up either
[16:21] <_Zeus_> no, i installed ubuntu myself
[16:23] <_Zeus_> brb
[16:29] <_Zeus_> hmm....... i tried to reboot and it said it couldn't find my home directory :-P
[16:29] <_Zeus_> i'm doing a fsck
[16:33] <_Zeus_> how do you force a fsck?
[16:34] <_Zeus_> i tried touch /forcefsck&&reboot
[16:34] <Pici> _Zeus_: did you use sudo?
[16:34] <_Zeus_> was in recovery mode :-P
[16:34] <_Zeus_> so yes
[16:36] <_Zeus_> ok now it's working
[16:36] <_Zeus_> i had to boot back to recovery mode to do it
[16:37] <_Zeus_> because normal boot mounted everything ro
[16:38] <_Zeus_> yay it's fixed
[16:42] <dupondje> any id when mysql will be fixxed :(
[16:44] <zerwas> Perhaps someone can help me. My problem is that X always starts as failsafe even though it worked with hardy and the xorg.conf looks fine. How can i force him to not use failsafe mode?
[16:45] <Pici> Do you have an ATI card?
[16:45] <zerwas> yes
[16:45] <Pici> The driver isn't working with the current xorg version
[16:45] <zerwas> oops, okay. What are my options then? :-o
[16:46]  * zerwas uninstalls fglrx
[16:46] <Pici> Fall back to vesa or one of the non-proprietary ati drivers
[16:47] <zerwas> Ok. Do you have a recommendation for a non-proprietary ati driver?
[16:48] <Pici> I'm using 'radeon' here, I *think* thats the same thing as 'ati', but don't quote me on that.
[16:48] <zerwas> okay, thank you very much for your help
[16:50] <zerwas> by the way: Is it already known that the search in synaptic seems to be broken?
[16:51] <zerwas> i can't seem to find a bug report for it
[16:57] <zerwas> brb, correcting graphics drivers
[17:04] <zerwas> Pici: the driver radeonhd works perfectly, thanks again.
[17:04] <Pici> zerwas: sure thing
[17:04] <zerwas> it is correct that it can't handle 3D and/or composite, right?
[17:13] <_Zeus_> bluesmoke: ftp://momjian.us/Screenshot-2.png
[17:14] <_Zeus_> that's the image of compiz w/o restricted drivers, btw
[17:22] <zerwas> /j #ubuntuusers
[17:22] <zerwas> oops.
[18:15] <timing> hey
[18:15] <timing> ntpd is starting up now, at boottime
[18:15] <timing> however, it takes a very long time
[18:15] <timing> isn't that because I don't have an ip yet?
[18:16] <timing> so maybe the networkmanager should start before ntpd?
[18:43] <baastrup> hey, there im missing a package for dynamips on 64 bit, can i request it somewhere?
[19:38] <Hamra> hi, since kubuntu hardy uses KDE3 by default, and intrepid will use KDE4 by default, how is the desktop environment upgraded? KDE3 gets replaced by KDE4? in this case, what happens if i already have KDE4 alongside KDE3 on hardy and upgraded?
[19:41] <Hamra> anybody?
[20:05] <mikele> Hi, there are a NOKIA 6630's user????
[20:07] <doggymenz> when i start ubuntu, it starts compiz before it starts gnome-panale
[20:07] <doggymenz> it should start gnome-panel before compiz
[20:07] <doggymenz> to get desktop quicker more usable
[20:11] <Arodon> hey. Is nm-applet crashing when connecting to a WPA2 Enterprise network a known bug?
[20:13] <bluesmoke> doggymenz: No, the window manager should start before anything else
[20:13] <bluesmoke> doggymenz: Otherwise you get a flash when the WM starts
[20:22] <siegie> Arodon: i use a wpa2 personal   and it's not crashing, but knetworkmanager don't want to connect
[20:35]  * henrik-kabelkaos says that the "pencil" package caused a funky site error. 
[20:35] <henrik-kabelkaos> sorry wrong channel.
[20:44] <baastrup> hey is is posible to force a broken package to be oki?
[20:45] <tormod> baastrup: no, but you might be able to force install it :)
[20:46] <baastrup> tormod: yes but then it wants to remove it, at next update :-(
[20:47] <baastrup> tormod: i had forced installed a i386 version of dynamips on my 64 bit ubuntu, because gns3 needs it
[22:27] <kernco> I'm using Kubuntu 8.10 alpha and after updating I'm getting the error "No greeter plugin found. Check configuration."
[22:38] <as1965> The greeter is configured via menu "System/Administration/Login Window". Switch to the "Local" tab and try chaning the greeter used.
[22:39] <kernco> The error prevents KDE from starting, all I have is the command line
[22:39] <as1965> So, can you login and run : startx ?
[22:41] <kernco> X appears with the default gray background, a dialog shows up that says "No greeter plugin found. Check configuration." and when I click "Ok" I'm back at the command line.
[22:43] <as1965> What alpha is this? 4?
[22:43] <kernco> This happened when I upgraded to the most recent packages yesterday.  I hadn't updated in about a month before that.
[22:44] <as1965> Sometimes, the easiest thing to do to try and fix something like this is to do an update. This is still "alpha", so there will be bumps on the road.
[22:45] <as1965> I would login as, text mode, and update. For text GUI, use "aptitude" i.e.
[22:46] <kernco> Ok, I'll try.  I've never been able to get my internet working from the command line, though.
[22:47] <as1965> sudo aptitude - then "u" to update and select all updates available bia "U" (uppercase). "g" to apply. If your internet works in X, should be able to get it working in command line mode.
[22:48] <kernco> Is there any way I can get knetworkconfig running in the command line?  That can get my internet working, but when I've tried to use iwconfig to set my essid and key, it never works.
[22:50] <as1965> Do you only have wireless networking?
[22:50] <kernco> yeah
[22:51] <kernco> It's a desktop, but it's in a room of the house that I can't get an ethernet cable to
[22:51] <kernco> I might just wait for the next alpha and install from CD
[22:53] <as1965> Do you use WEP or WPA?
[22:53] <kernco> WEP
[22:53] <kernco> It's my roommates router, so I can't really change that
[22:54] <as1965> OK, we could see if we can get something working - assuming a) you see your WLAN broadcasting and b) you know the key
[22:55] <as1965> If you type : iwlist <dev> (replace <dev> with your wifi device) - do you see your WIFI listed?
[22:55] <as1965> e.g. iwlist eth1 - or - iwlist wlan0
[22:56] <as1965> Actually - maybe : iwlist <dev> scanning
[22:56] <kernco> Yeah, I see it
[22:57] <as1965> OK - try : iwconfig <dev> essid <ESSID>
[22:57] <kernco> Yeah, I've done that, and done iwconfig <dev> key <key>
[22:58] <kernco> It's using a hex key, not a passphrase
[22:58] <as1965> Then see if you are associated : iwconfig <dev> (look for ESSID listed)
[22:58] <kernco> Yeah, it's showing the ESSID
[22:59] <kernco> Does it matter if it's in quotes or not?
[22:59] <as1965> Don't think so
[22:59] <as1965> But I never quote
[22:59] <as1965> Try : iwconfig <dev> key restricted <hex key> (no need for 0x at start I think)
[23:00] <kernco> ok
[23:01] <as1965> Then - hopefully - manually give yourself an IP address :
[23:01] <as1965> e.g. ifconfig <dev> 192.168.1.40 netmask 255.255.255.0
[23:01] <as1965> Assuming an example network! Replace 192.168.1.40 with something you can use ...
[23:02] <as1965> Hopefully - ifconfig <dev> - should show the <dev> IP address and "UP"
[23:03] <kernco> It shows "inet addr:192.168.1.109" and under that "UP BROADCAST MULTICAST"
[23:04] <kernco> but "ping google.com" gets "unknown host google.com"
[23:04] <as1965> Great ... almost there!
[23:04] <as1965> We need to set the route up .
[23:04] <kernco> ah, ok
[23:04] <as1965> Try : route add default gw <ip> (where <ip> is probably the router IP)
[23:05] <kernco> The local IP, like 192.168.1.1?
[23:05] <as1965> The <ip> is the "dafault" route IP i.e. your router IP e.g.
[23:06] <as1965> route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[23:07] <kernco> ok
[23:08] <as1965> Can you try pinging Google via IP e.g.
[23:08] <as1965> ping 208.69.34.231
[23:09] <kernco> "Destination Host Unreachable"
[23:10] <as1965> OK - this is quite hard via IRC in "realtime"
[23:10] <as1965> Can you ping the router? i.e.
[23:10] <as1965> ping 192.168.1.1 (do you know if this is the router IP address?)
[23:11] <kernco> I think 192.168.1.1 is the IP of the router.  I can log into it from this laptop with that address.
[23:11] <kernco> But "ping 192.168.1.1" is getting "Destination Host Unreachable" from my desktop
[23:13] <as1965> If you type "route -n" - how many "0.0.0.0" rows are there? And what is the device (end column)?
[23:14] <RAOF> Ok, that's cool.  Grub2 picks up my Sid install.
[23:14] <kernco> The device is ath0.  There are two rows, the first has destination 192.168.1.0, gateway 0.0.0.0, genmask 255.255.255.0.  The second is destination 0.0.0.0, gateway 192.168.1.1, genmask 0.0.0.0
[23:15] <as1965> That might confuse things - 2 default routes
[23:16] <as1965> Lets delete the wrong one - I assume 192.168.1.0
[23:16] <kernco> yeah
[23:18] <as1965> Try : route del 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0
[23:21] <kernco> That doesn't work.  I'm looking at the man page and it doesn't look like you can specify the netmask when deleting.  If I just do "route del 192.168.1.0" I get "SIOCADDRT: No such process"
[23:23] <as1965> Should be able to - but this networking stufff can be a pain
[23:23] <kernco> The specific error when I try to run the original command is "route: netmask 000000ff doesn't make sense with host route" and then it prints the usage.
[23:24] <as1965> Maybe :
[23:24] <as1965> route del -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0
[23:25] <kernco> That worked to delete that row from the routing table, but pinging the router still doesn't work.
[23:27] <as1965> Ping 192.168.1.1 ?
[23:27] <kernco> Still "Destination Host Unreachable"
[23:28] <as1965> And : ifconfig ath0 - shows the IP and "UP" and netmask 255.255.255.0 ?
[23:28] <kernco> yep
[23:29] <as1965> CAn you ping the "ath0" IP (192.168.1.109?)
[23:29] <kernco> Maybe I do need "0x" before the WEP key?
[23:29] <kernco> Yeah, I can ping 192.168.1.109
[23:29] <as1965> If it's associated already, should be OK - check with : iwconfig ath0
[23:30] <as1965> See the ESSID OK?
[23:30] <kernco> I see the ESSID, but I don't see the key
[23:30] <kernco> When I was trying to do this before in a different distro, it would show the key
[23:32] <as1965> OK - I am at a "wired" system just now and most of this is from memory. I can't recall - but it would surprise me - security and all ...
[23:32] <as1965> Maybe we could try using DHCP - rather than a manual config?
[23:33] <as1965> Does your router act as a DHCP server?
[23:33] <kernco> Yeah, it does
[23:33] <kernco> dhclient ath0?
[23:34] <as1965> You could try that
[23:36] <kernco> "DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval <x>"
[23:36] <kernco> It did that a few different intervals and then "No DHCPOFFERS received."
[23:37] <kernco> at the beginning, though, it said, "wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801"
[23:37] <as1965> OK - Might need to do : ifconfig ath0 down - then check "iwconfig ath0" looks OK, then try "dhclient ath0" again ...
[23:37] <mcgrof> trying to get intrepid working on x86_64, it seems grub doesn't work well
[23:38] <mcgrof> so I tried upgrading to grub2 but I can't complete it as I am working with a chroot environement
[23:38] <mcgrof> should I just use lilo?
[23:38] <mcgrof> bleh
[23:39] <kernco> Same results
[23:41] <as1965> OK - sorry but I am not sure I can diagnose further ... if you can, stretch a cable and update wired. It is 20 to midnight in London and I have work tomorrow (where are you?).
[23:42] <kernco> I was about to give up anyway, I've already taken an hour of your time.  I'm on the east coast U.S.
[23:42] <kernco> Thanks for all your help
[23:43] <as1965> Good luck - a learning experience :-)
[23:43] <kernco> hehe, yeah
[23:45] <sosriqwe> hi, is there anybody having problem with mysql?