[00:30] siretart: around? [00:49] hmm... seems update-notifier doesn't work anymore in intrepid... is this a known issue? [02:46] @native-English-speakers: "In order to use your new langauge settings, please logout and re-login at your earliest convenience." Would this be an appropriate message to display to users? If not, suggestions please... :) [02:46] s/langauge/language/ [02:53] ArneGoetje: looks good to me [02:53] I might use 'enable' instead of 'use' but it reads fine either way [02:57] bryce: thanks [03:03] argh!!! seems the latest kernel modules update on intrepid hosed my system!!! no network, no X... :((( [03:18] uff... no... just my own stupidity... :D [03:26] ArneGoetje: i rarely utter these words, but in this case ... [03:26] "mine's bigger" [03:29] mneptok: your stupidity? [03:32] * mneptok stares and drools [03:32] :) [03:40] Mine isn't that big per se, but it's very concentrated. [05:03] anybody notice apt-cacher behaving weirdly lately? it's acting kind of flaky and the apt-cacher report says 100% cache misses and 0 transfers [05:31] ArneGoetje: "please log out and log back in at your earliest convenience", IMHO [05:40] slangasek: Would you be up for a bit of late night archive admining? I'm uploading kde 3.5.10 to hardy-backports now and it'd be nice to have it all ready there when Riddell wakes up. [05:41] good morning [05:45] who of you would like to give a session at Ubuntu Developer Week? https://wiki.ubuntun.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep still has some free slots [05:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep perhaps [05:47] yes :) [06:04] LaserJock: no, was already in bed [06:05] morning, folks! [06:05] siretart: I just had an emacs question [06:06] siretart: emacs22 doesn't seem to like fonts [06:07] LaserJock: well, it is an text editor, not a word processor after all ;) [06:07] it helps my eyes if the fonts look decent though [06:07] I'm supposed to use this for *everything* right? ;-) [06:08] M-x make-me-coffee [06:09] I tried and tried to get emacs22-gtk to load DeJavu or Bitstream fonts [06:09] ended up just running emacs -nw in a terminator window [06:09] LaserJock: Hm. I've been happy with the default fonts choosen by emacs-gtk [06:09] ajmitch: I'm sure there's lisp code somewhere for that [06:09] undoubtably [06:09] Don't you need emacs-snapshot in order for emacs to have non-eyebleeding font rendering? [06:10] RAOF: I *thought* as long as it was >= 22 it should work [06:10] LaserJock: did you already read chapter 27.16? [06:10] I'm fairly sure you'll find emacs-snapshot to work; it does for me, and 22 doesn't. [06:11] slangasek: If you're up for it, bug #261366 is all uploaded now. Just needs accepting. [06:11] Launchpad bug 261366 in hardy-backports "Please update to KDE 3.5.10 in hardy-backports" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261366 [06:15] Good night all. [06:17] good night, ScottK! [06:21] RAOF: ok, so maybe our normal emacs packages aren't built with xft support? [06:24] That would appear to be the case. [06:25] interesting [06:25] I thought xft was considered stable in emacs 22 [06:26] in any case, the best solution for me seems to be emacs -nw :-) [06:27] emacs-snapshot works. Or there's always emacs -nw, which is what I was using for a goodly while. [07:37] at last Ubuntu Developer Week we had a session about "Working With Debian" - is anybody interested in doing a session like that? I think it'd be great to have it [07:38] is there already a bug for hotkeys broken on thinkpads in intrepid? [07:38] siretart: do they produce events (xev)? [07:38] dholbach: what did that talk cover? - and when would the lessen happen? [07:38] tjaalton: no, not on my X60s [07:38] tjaalton: upgraded to intrepid yesterday [07:38] siretart: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0802/Debian is the session log [07:39] siretart: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep is the current schedule [07:39] siretart: try the .27 kernel. they seem to work fine on my X61 with it [07:39] so there are still some open slots [07:40] tjaalton: is there a package for the .27 kernel yet? - or how can I try that out? [07:41] siretart: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/pub/next/2.6.27-rc3/intrepid/ [07:41] the rc4 version is uploaded to the archive and built, just not published [07:41] even suspend works with this (and not .26) :) [07:42] suspend to ram works for me on .26, I didn't try out hibernate, though [07:42] mine just resumes right away with .26 [07:43] tjaalton: oh, that directory misses lrm. I expect that would break my wireless (iwl3945), right? [07:43] siretart: I don't believe so, no? [07:44] okay, then lets try [07:44] siretart: nope, works fine [07:44] at least, I'm using that rc3 kernel and my iwl works [07:48] hi everyone [07:48] short question [07:49] there is some a way to develop iphone code on ubuntu?? [07:49] siretart: would you be interested in such a session? [07:50] dholbach: why not, but I'm not sure if I find enough time to prepare myself. I'd be more happy to do that session in a team. please give me a few hours to check [07:51] who would be interested to give a session about "working with debian" together with siretart? [07:53] tjaalton: booting .27 now. it enables bluetooth at bootup now? huh? [07:55] tjaalton: yes, with .27 many hotkeys (not all) now do emit events in xev. thanks! [07:57] siretart: cool [07:59] tjaalton: bug 256887 however is present with .27 as well [07:59] Launchpad bug 256887 in hotkey-setup "thinkpad_acpi complains that hotkey-setup is doing the wrong thing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256887 [07:59] perhaps not that surprising, but anyway. perhaps some hotkey guru might want to look at the package? [08:07] morning guys [08:07] Riddell: ping? [08:12] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=634034 is there any solution to this post, [08:12] i am stuck with same thing [09:42] * fabbione really needs an archive admin to new a package [09:43] fabbione: I can't help you with that - sorry, but do you think you could take a look at bug 259579? [09:43] Launchpad bug 259579 in redhat-cluster "cman init script points at an incorrect doc path" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259579 [09:43] dholbach: looking [09:43] yoohooo! [09:44] dholbach: oh absolutely.. i need to rework the init script anyway [09:44] that section is not even used in ubuntu packages.. it comes from debian [09:44] fabbione: nice... it turned up on my sponsoring queue radar and I thought that you might be the best person to talk to about it [09:44] dholbach: i'll take care of it [09:44] * dholbach hugs super-fabbione [09:44] but i need people to new corosync so that new openais can build so that i can upload a new redhat-cluster :) [09:45] otherwise i can upload but it will stall there :) [09:45] yeah, that makes sense :-/ [09:47] hm [09:47] if there's a bug in package foo on hardy, but it's fixed in the new version (which is in debian testing), do i need to file a bug on launchpad? [09:48] if you want it fixed in intrepid+1, no; if you want it fixed in intrepid, yes; if you want it fixed in hardy, yes, with extra justification as to why it's worth changing hardy [09:48] cool, ok thanks [09:48] i'll go for intrepid :) [09:49] in any of the "yes" cases, it will help to use the "also affects distribution" link to add a reference to the Debian bug URL [09:49] cjwatson: Did you say my debian-cd changes got merged? [09:49] cjwatson: there is no bug url for debian, they just redesigned stuff and fixed it by chance :)( [09:49] soren: yes [09:49] sdh: oh, ok [09:52] cjwatson: Hm... Ok. [09:54] kees: did jdstrand talk to you about a security session at Ubuntu Developer Week? Does anybody of the MOTU SWAT know when you guys planned to hold such a session? [10:08] fabbione: pong [10:11] Riddell: hi, sorry i need some of your help to new a package because i think seb128 forgot about it (even if he said he was going to do it) [10:11] Riddell: do you have time now? [10:11] fabbione: can do [10:12] Riddell: ok awesome. main had src: openais that has been spitted upstream into 2 sources. source one: corosync (need both src and binary new) and openais (new version) [10:12] Riddell: i didn't file a MIR for corosync (on seb128 input since it's just a split), but it needs to go in main [10:12] Riddell: corosync is now a Build-Dep for openais and redhat-cluster [10:14] looking [10:14] thanks [10:18] Riddell: thanks.. got the emails [10:18] cjwatson: Do you have a minute to spare? It's about those debian-cd changes. [10:18] fabbione: accepted corosync [10:18] Riddell: awesome thanks again [10:19] soren: go ahead [10:20] cjwatson: When I added the "minimal server" install option, I put it into gfxboot.cfg, because the code I copied did that, but it seems that it actually belogs in text.cfg (and has to look differently), but I'm not sure at all where to put the code then. [10:23] soren: why does it belong in text.cfg? the other similar options aren't there [10:24] cjwatson: PErhaps we have a different understanding of "similar" :) [10:24] Well, ok, let's start from the top.. Where does it belong? [10:24] evand: What do you think about a session about the Installer (and the Team behind it) at Ubuntu Developer Week? [10:24] ...and then let's deal with how we're going to put it there afterwards. [10:25] soren: I don't see what's wrong with gfxboot.cfg. text.cfg is only used for fallbacks when gfxboot doesn't work [10:25] (that's a simplification, but close enough) [10:25] cjwatson: Okay. Well, it doesn't seem to work. [10:25] that's a better place to start than randomly moving it around :) [10:25] cjwatson: The option isn't shown. [10:25] Heh, true. [10:26] I just went looking for where the options that actually /did/ show up were defined, and they're all in text.cfg. [10:26] So now I'm not sure at all :/ [10:29] does the thing you're seeing look like gfxboot? for example, does it have the menu bar across the bottom? [10:32] cjwatson: Yes. [10:33] cjwatson: Are you implying that if you start up a recent server ISO, you actually see the "install minimal system" option? [10:33] rsyncing the image now to have a look [10:33] I'm implying nothing right now [10:33] cjwatson: I rsynced only half an hour ago... I'll do it again. [10:34] I don't see why that would help [10:34] today's build won't have finished yet [10:35] hmm, or maybe it has actually, sorry [10:36] Oh, you said "rsync/ing/ the image now to have a look"... I thought you told me to rsync it to have a look. [10:36] :) [10:36] oh, right, sorry :) [10:36] Not your fault I can't read :) [10:38] Riddell: corosync is built everywhere. not sure you need to NEW binaries as well [11:00] soren: oh, it's showing up in the F4 menu [11:00] I guess that isn't ideal if you aren't finding it [11:00] although conceptually it's the proper place [11:01] Oh! [11:01] Hm.. [11:01] It's not quite what I expected, no. [11:02] cjwatson: Hm... Let me think about that for a bit. [11:09] tsk [11:10] empathy is really weird [11:10] but then its probably not designed for IRC first place [11:11] tjaalton: any chance we can enable the ext4dev module? I couldn't mount a usb-hardrive of a from a friend of mine because of lacking ext4dev module in the kernel [11:12] siretart: in a linux-ubuntu-modules-gambling package :) [11:12] siretart: you probably want to ask BenC?-) [11:13] ok :) === bigon` is now known as bigon [12:24] is the pam note in the channel topic stil relevant ? [12:24] *still [12:24] afaik we're at 1.0.1-3ubuntu4 === Kopfi|offline is now known as Kopfgeldjaeger [13:07] I know this isn't support, but is there anyway I can find a package which contains a bugfix I REALLY need? [13:07] i.e this bug which has supposedly been fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/44233 [13:07] Launchpad bug 44233 in util-linux "mount udf dvd fails, possible wrong fstab entry" [Medium,Confirmed] [13:12] waistless, well, its fixed .. the prob is that nobody seems to have opened a new bug for the second issue that showed up along debugging ever [13:13] :( ok, any workaround? [13:13] comma separated fstab options are definately parsed properly now (whic s what this bug is about) [13:14] open a proper new bug that adresses the other issue as is stated several times in that bug, so triagers can assign it to the right package and the right people look at it === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [13:15] bte, discussing bug handling is probably better done in #ubuntu-bugs :) [13:15] *btw [13:20] just asking, what is the other issue? (i've missed it) [13:20] udf doesn't mount at all? === asac_ is now known as asac [14:00] dholbach: sure [14:01] evand: NICE [14:01] evand: any slot on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep that you'd like to have? [14:02] dholbach: Fri 1800 UTC [14:02] evand: shall I add it to the schedule for you? [14:02] sure, thank you [14:02] evand: what title would you like? [14:03] Introduction to the Installer Team [14:03] nice :) [14:04] evand: thanks a bunch! [14:04] any time [14:04] done... once the wiki has saved the page :) [14:06] Riddell, could i ask you to fix Bug #244531 for me (as you are archive admin of the day it seems), so dholbach stops poking me about bug #211710 :) [14:06] Launchpad bug 244531 in xaos "Please sync xaos 3.4-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/244531 [14:06] Launchpad bug 211710 in xaos "Wrong characters codification in Xaos translation - broken UTF support" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211710 [14:07] (why is Xaos in main?) [14:07] Laney, part of edubuntu [14:07] ah [14:08] or ubuntu-education ... or however we call it today :P [14:08] Does anything that ships with Ubuntu by default use Tcl/Tk? [14:08] ogra: done [14:08] * ogra hugs Riddell [14:09] (I mean, anything on the CD) [14:10] mpt, i dont think so (else Tcl/Tk would be on the CD) [14:11] ah, the age-old question [14:11] Without actually burning a CD, how do I tell which packages are included on the CD? [14:11] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/intrepid-alternate-i386.list [14:11] .list or .manifest file alongside the image [14:12] or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/intrepid-desktop-i386.manifest [14:12] (.list is the ISO contents; .manifest is the live filesystem contents where appropriate) [14:13] ah, thank you [14:13] * mpt bookmarks [14:14] note thats only for the current unstable CD .... for the released ones other links apply indeed [14:14] * fabbione takes a lock on lvm2 [14:14] s/CD/CDs/ [14:15] anyone know what this means in Xorg.0.log? (EE) config/hal: couldn't initialise context: (null) ((null)) [14:16] breaking oem-config in VMs, I think [14:18] cjwatson: hal wasn't started yet iirc [14:18] mm, I was just coming round to that ... [14:19] aha, I'm starting oem-config at 12 [14:19] kdm is sadly started too early as well :( [14:29] *sigh* vbox modules out of date again [14:44] jdstrand: did you have a chance to talk to the fine folks of the MOTU Swat team about a "Making Ubuntu more secure" session? :) [14:45] (at Ubuntu Developer Week) [15:02] dholbach: no, not yet [15:03] slangasek: ping? [15:14] Riddell: a new version of redhat-cluster is building now (only i386 is built already) that has a library soname bump. It will need some NEW love once it's all built and new lvm2 that build-deps on these new bits has been already uploaded. [15:14] Riddell: that will complete the soname transition :) [15:14] Riddell: thanks dude [15:22] jdstrand: it'd be great if you could pick a slot on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek later :) [15:22] jdstrand, kees: thanks a lot! :) [15:24] dholbach: that bug is solved in the last upload.. just pending build/new propagation [15:24] dholbach: the one you mentioned this morning.. [15:25] fabbione: yeah, I saw it on intrepid-changes - thanks a lot for that! [15:25] * dholbach hugs fabbione [15:25] dholbach: no problem.. hopefully i will find the time to improve those scripts.. they really need some extra love [15:25] later [15:25] see you fabbione - have a nice day [15:26] dholbach: you too thanks but i'll be back later to check on this small transition :) [15:26] just need 5 more builds :) [15:26] alrighty [15:26] :) [15:31] could any archive admin copy amsn srus (dapper, gutsy) to -updates please? it's bug #243722 [15:31] Launchpad bug 243722 in amsn "amsn 0.97: login doesn't work anymore due to a protocol change" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243722 [16:04] slangasek: are you interested in running a session about "How to make an archive admin happy?" at Ubuntu Developer Week? [16:05] dholbach: Isn't that "File lots of removal requests" ? :-P [16:06] StevenK: s/archive admin/ release manager/ --> don't upload new stuff during a freeze! [16:06] StevenK: I guess there are so many way to make archive admins happy, including sending pizza, gift vouchers, etc - lots to cover in an one hour session [16:07] * Hobbsee accepts pizza, gift vouchers, coke, and a few other bits :P [16:07] But isn’t cocaine illegal? [16:08] I suspect it's the liquid coke made by Coca-Cola Corp [16:09] not that coke :P [16:13] its always nice when there's a large moment of silence after incriminating statements [16:40] good morning! [16:41] anyone know how to do jockey releases? for lack of pitti [16:46] asac: ping [16:47] zul: ? [16:47] asac: do you handle network-manager-openvpn or is that similar to openvpn? [16:47] zul: huh? dont understand that question [16:47] zul: i posted the patch i will upload to the bug [16:48] it also passes --script-security 2 [16:48] asac: gotcha thanks === devfil_ is now known as devfil === superm1|away is now known as superm1 === ember_ is now known as ember [17:19] * dholbach hugs kees [17:19] my security friends :) [17:21] Riddell: still around? [17:23] * kees hugs dholbach [17:23] hey kees [17:23] dholbach: I haven't had a chance to ask any of them yet. I will bring it up with them. [17:23] * dholbach hugs kees back :) [17:23] fabbione: hola! [17:25] i guess Riddell has gone for the day [17:26] hmmm just need somebody to new 4 libraries... [17:26] so i can get offline too [17:27] dholbach: jdstrand and I are on national holiday on the 1st, so how about 19.00 UTC on the 5th? [17:28] kees: sounds perfect to me! [17:28] kees: shall I put it on the wiki? [17:28] dholbach: "Introduction to the Ubuntu Security Team" should be good. [17:28] rock on! [17:28] dholbach: yeah, if you've got it open for edits [17:29] fabbione: hi [17:29] kees: added [17:29] fdoving: onto it [17:29] Riddell: hey... can i bother you one last time for today? [17:29] fabbione: onto it [17:30] Riddell: redhat-cluster -> NEW [17:30] Riddell: it's a bunch of soname changes. [17:30] Riddell: nothing fancy. [17:30] thanks a lot kees, thanks a lot jdstrand! [17:30] Riddell: they should hit the same pockets as now.. lvm2 depends on libcman2 and libdlm2 that will be removed. the new lvm2 is Depwait already in LP [17:30] fabbione: accepted [17:30] Riddell: so everything should clear automagically [17:30] Riddell: awesome.. thanks! [17:31] ok i am off again :) [17:32] dholbach: any time. :) [17:42] fabbione: pong? [17:43] dholbach: I guess I could; can you tell me what makes an archive admin happy? :-) [17:44] slangasek: making sure stuff builds, having checked licensing thoroughly, adhering to freeze dates, etc :) [17:44] ScottK: is the kde from last night processed, then? I don't see it in the queue [17:44] slangasek: I thought there was a lot of stuff that made archive admins unhappy :) [17:44] slangasek: yes [17:44] BenC: you ROCK! [17:45] dholbach: ok, so "how to avoid making the archive admins unhappy", that's easier perhaps :) [17:45] :-))) [17:45] there's only one slot left right now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek - would that work out for you? [17:46] dholbach: ah, Monday is a US holiday [17:46] dholbach: did you have the time to upload this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/envyng-core/+bug/260862 [17:46] Launchpad bug 260862 in envyng-core "Update EnvyNG in Intrepid" [Undecided,New] [17:46] dholbach: and I already have (wholly unexciting) plans for that day [17:46] slangasek: argl :-( [17:46] tseliot: no, I'm sorry - I subscribed bryce to the bug instead [17:47] dholbach: ok, no problem ;) [17:48] slangasek: would the same slot on thursday work for you? pedro_: do you think you could swap with the Monday 20 UTC one? [17:48] thursday is doable for me [17:49] dholbach: yup no problem [17:49] cjwatson: were there any issues with the server seed bits which are now landed? [17:49] dholbach: is there a template of some sort that describes what kind of content I should be trying to put together? [17:49] slangasek, pedro_: thanks so much - going to update the wiki [17:49] slangasek: we have logs of the previous sessions if that helps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Previous [17:50] mdz: soren reported that the menu item for minimal-system is hard to find (it's on F4 at the moment; we may move it); otherwise I haven't heard of any issues yet [17:50] slangasek: a big part of the sessions will be Q&A [17:50] cjwatson: is it present in the current daily builds? [17:50] mdz: yes [17:51] I haven't tested it end-to-end since it landed, trying to get oem sorted out first ... [17:51] dholbach: ok. I think I can piece something together then, thanks [17:52] slangasek: you ROCK! [17:52] * cjwatson lights up the Keybuksignal hopefully [17:55] cjwatson: thanks [18:02] mdz: re posting to ubuntu-devel you say "there's a ticket open with the Canonical IS team about it (#26726)" That doesn't seem to be a relevant launchpad or rt ticket - typo? And does it work to post from an ubuntu.com address as suggested by https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=655 [18:02] it's in the Canonical RT rather than the Ubuntu one [18:03] nealmcb: that's a different RT instance (where I don't seem to even have an account) [18:03] (I only just found out they were separate) [18:03] the Ubuntu one is new, I believe [18:03] oh dear.... [18:04] slangasek: all sorted.. thanks [18:04] mdz: 'ubuntu' / 'ubuntu' [18:04] cjwatson: there's still a Community queue on the old one... [18:04] I'm not subscribed with my ubuntu.com address, but allowing posts from @ubuntu.com would seem like a good idea [18:04] elmo: will this obsolete the old Community queue? [18:04] yes, it already has [18:04] mdz: saying "{Obsolete}" on it ... [18:05] where is the old one? what is the community queue? [18:05] mdz: in 26726, did you try adding him to 'accept_these_nonmembers'? [18:05] mdz: i.e. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admin/ubuntu-devel/?VARHELP=privacy/sender/accept_these_nonmembers [18:05] nealmcb: the "old one", is the Canonical private RT [18:05] yes, that's the key I use I think [18:06] did libcupsys2-dev has been superseded? [18:06] elmo: by the way, when I click on the queues on the home page, I get an empty list of tickets (used to display all non-closed tickets). an explicit search works, though [18:06] elmo: I though you were saying ubuntu/ubuntu worked on the old one - maybe I misparsed mdz's "that" [18:07] elmo: most of the moderators are not list admins, so they can't change that [18:07] nealmcb: that (rt.ubuntu.com) is a different RT instance from the one I was referring to in my email [18:08] cjwatson: could you add the person referenced in the thread to that filter to address the immediate issue? [18:09] mdz: your last comment references one of your own posts [18:09] mdz: so you want moderators to be able to add people? does it need to be within the mailman system? [18:09] nxvl: yes, it was replaced with libcups2-dev and libcupsys2-dev is now a transitional package [18:10] cjwatson: while you're at it, whitelisting me (neal@bcn.boulder.co.us == https://edge.launchpad.net/~nealmcb) would be delightful :) [18:10] geser: thank you [18:10] cjwatson: yes, because he CCed me and his message wasn't in the archive yet [18:10] mdz: done for the one before that [18:10] elmo: it would be ideal if it were via the mailman system, but I think it would be workable to have something else [18:10] mdz: in the UI, it's Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> accept_these_nonmembers [18:11] mdz: well, I just don't fancy hacking on mailman is all - unless I'm missing some easy alternative? [18:11] cjwatson: I'm not at all convinced that I have the right admin password [18:12] elmo: moderators need to be able to whitelist people. what are the risks of making them admins? [18:12] that sounds like the easiest route [18:12] cjwatson: thanks [18:13] mdz: assuming you trust the moderators to not be malicious or grossly incompetent, not much? [18:13] elmo: one thing we discussed before was having a LP team whose members were whitelisted, that's another option === devfil_ is now known as devfil [18:13] mdz: sure, that's easy on my side too - I thought the concern there was asking upstreams/other distro folks to create LP accounts [18:14] elmo: hmm, you're right, that's not ideal [18:26] james_w: thx for your REVU comments; I'm catching up after a trip so I'm not sure how soon I'll get back to all that. [18:27] moquist: no problem, sorry to leave it so late [18:27] I didn't realise you were here, I only looked on -motu [18:28] np [18:30] mdz: Hey. We've created Launchpad team ~ubuntu-dev-without-bugmail so that it can be added to other teams instead of ubuntu-dev, so that it eats the bugmail (by having a contact address set). Can you please accept the invitation of ubuntu-dev to join it? [18:31] mdz: this is necessary, for example, so that MOTUs can commit to the mythbuntu branches (where some packages are maintained) [18:31] RainCT: done [18:32] mdz: thanks! [18:35] elmo: if your recommended solution is to use the admin interface and accept_these_nonmembers, please put that into the ticket and close it out [18:36] sbeattie: on bug #91873, you don't think there's any chance that this patch could cause us to ignore a /legitimate/ EIO? [18:36] Launchpad bug 91873 in eject "eject -T doesn't close the tray" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91873 [18:39] slangasek: it's possible but I think eject already is ignoring legitimate EIO errors, as on multiple systems here, ioctl(3, CDROMEJECT, 0) returns -EIO every time on successful eject events. [18:40] sbeattie: isn't CDROMEJECT the exact case that this patch addresses? [18:40] yes. [18:41] then it would seem that eject wasn't ignoring those before [18:41] eject -T wasn't. eject with no arguments does. [18:42] ah, ok, I see that in the other strace snippet [18:44] personally, I think both eject and the kernel are buggy here, but that eject's buggy behavior may be due to working around the kernel always returning EIO. [18:45] * slangasek nods [18:49] kees: hmm, I thought samba also did PIE natively? [18:50] ah, only if built with --enable-pie [18:50] er, no [18:51] it's not built with PIE because we're setting --disable-pie [18:51] hahah [18:51] oops [18:51] I missed that. [18:51] well, it was breaking things on the ports when upstream first turned it on [18:51] so it got disabled, and never revisited [18:51] slangasek: right, I suspect they're not correctly testing for it. [18:52] slangasek: hardening-wrapper DTRT wrt to archs [18:53] nice, and they've already enabled relro. [18:56] slangasek: what do you think, should I revert the wrapper dep and go with the "native" PIE option? it looks like they pass it down into the build correctly. [18:56] kees: that would seem to simply things, yes? [18:59] yup, let me do a rebuild, one sec [19:02] mdz: server seed isn't working right, unfortunately - I'll sort it out [19:04] dendrobates: ^^ [19:04] cjwatson: thanks [19:05] mdz: ack [19:05] (it's getting offered, but not preselected) [19:27] how is the Freezes thing? i can upload new features until tomorrow or until Thursday? [19:31] * Laney eyes mysql [19:36] nxvl: through end of day on Thursday [19:40] slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule -> Freezes normally happen at the start of the given date, UTC time. So last minute changes need to happen the day before. [19:40] slangasek: ^^ - has this changed ? [19:41]