[11:17] <joseamunoz> Test
[11:40] <amachu> elkbuntu: persia: Hi
[11:40] <amachu> lifeless: Hi
[11:40] <elkbuntu> hi
[11:40] <elkbuntu> 20 mins yet!
[11:40] <amachu> elkbuntu: Just checking availabilities
[11:41] <elkbuntu> i know :)
[11:41]  * persia is present
[11:41]  * elkbuntu has pinged themuso
[11:41] <joseamunoz> Hi
[11:43] <lifeless> hi
[11:43] <joseamunoz> I hope this is the right place for Membership Candidates Meeting
[11:44] <persia> joseamunoz: It is.
[11:44] <elkbuntu> yes, but you've 17 minutes left :)
[11:44] <joseamunoz> thanks :)
[11:48] <elkbuntu> tuxmaniac, here?
[11:55] <elkbuntu> we has quorum
[11:56]  * tuxmaniac reports
[11:56] <tuxmaniac> elkbuntu: yep.
[11:57] <elkbuntu> excellent
[11:58] <amachu> hi
[11:58] <tuxmaniac> amachu: hi
[11:59] <amachu> Hello every one!
[11:59] <persia> Do we also have lousygarua?
[11:59] <joseamunoz> amachu: Hi
[11:59] <amachu> elkbuntu: persia: lifeless: Hi
[11:59] <amachu> TheMuso: Hi
[11:59] <TheMuso> hi amachu
[12:00] <amachu> belutz and zakame?
[12:01] <amachu> aanjan?
[12:01] <tuxmaniac> yes
[12:01] <amachu> hi
[12:01] <tuxmaniac> hi
[12:02] <lifeless> hi amachu
[12:02] <amachu> amireldor?
[12:02] <amachu> joseamunoz: Hi
[12:02] <amachu> Fine then..
[12:02] <joseamunoz> amachu: Hi
[12:02] <amachu> We shall start...
[12:02] <amachu> we have quorum today :-)
[12:02] <persia> \o/
[12:03] <amachu> tuxmaniac: Please go ahead introducing yourself and your contributions to the Board
[12:03] <tuxmaniac> amachu: thank you.
[12:03]  * tuxmaniac starts
[12:03] <tuxmaniac> Hello Everybody. This is Aanjhan Ranganathan (pronounced as Anjan) currently residing in Chennai, India.
[12:04] <tuxmaniac> I have updated my wiki ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Aanjhan ) with most of the information about my relationship with Free Software and more specifically Ubuntu. Having given an opportunity now to say a few words, I would like to highlight a few contributions.
[12:04] <tuxmaniac> Major contributions have been towards the Ubuntu India loCO team and the MOTU Science team.
[12:05] <tuxmaniac> Been with the LoCo team ever since it was formed. Major work includes adminstering the Server (movement from old canonical server to our own new server was one major task recently accomplished), recently conducted a couple of Bug Jam preparatory sessions along with good friends techno_freak and slytherin on IRC.
[12:05] <tuxmaniac> and the Global bug Jam also was well received among the local community. We stood 5th in thenumber of bugs triaged.. Yay! :-)
[12:06] <tuxmaniac> As with the MOTU Science team, I have been actively involved in constantly monitoring the Debian packages and trying to maintain sync between Debian and Ubuntu wrt these packages.
[12:06] <tuxmaniac> these == science packages.
[12:07] <tuxmaniac> Also have packaged a few software like Alliance, Magic, IRSIM, gResistor which are all lying in REVU and Debian Mentors due to license issues (expecting an update from upstream). Helped triaging bugs related to Science packages especially Electronics related.
[12:07] <tuxmaniac> I have also submitted a few debdiffs, .diff.gz for sponsorship into the Universe repos
[12:08] <tuxmaniac> the most recent being for bug 260158 today morning :-)
[12:08] <tuxmaniac> I also have been blogging for nearly two years now and have done several posts under the Category "Ubuntu" which gets fed to Ubuntu Webblogs. One can find my blog at http://blog.tuxmaniac.com Apart from this I go to Universities in India and evangelise Ubuntu and Free Software (more specifically Electronic CAD tools)
[12:09] <tuxmaniac> My road ahead with Ubuntu: I find very few people who are looking into core Science packages and often these are the ones I beleive are left not updated. Hence, my focus will be on Maintaning the sync with Debian and upstream and also package new science tools that would make Ubuntu, a better distro for Engineers and Scientists as well. eventually I am targetting in becoming a MOTU and continuously support the Ubuntu India LoCo in all it
[12:09] <elkbuntu> cropped
[12:09] <elkbuntu> "India LoCo in all i"
[12:10] <tuxmaniac> elkbuntu: where? I am seeing it on the screen
[12:10] <elkbuntu> tuxlinux, the last line you said. you will see it all because you wrote it. it's other people's clients that crop it
[12:10] <tuxmaniac> aah ok :-)
[12:11] <elkbuntu> errr, tuxmaniac ^^
[12:11] <elkbuntu> but, you've said alot already
[12:11] <elkbuntu> +1 from me on motu and bug work, as well as rallying others to do the same
[12:11] <tuxmaniac> can I mention a few words about acouple of people who helped me get this far?
[12:11] <TheMuso> Straight +1 from me also. I thought you were already a member I've seen your nick around a fair bit in the last year or so. Great work, and keep it up!
[12:11] <elkbuntu> we seem to have lost amachu
[12:12] <tuxmaniac> TheMuso: thanks
[12:12] <persia> +1 from me based on work done (bugs, patches), active involvement with LoCo team including presentations and appearances, and excelent testimonials on the wiki page (plus leftover bias from my +1 opinion a fortnight ago)
[12:13] <elkbuntu> amachu, do you need scrollback or do you know this clown well enough? ;)
[12:13]  * tuxmaniac wants to mention and thanks Laserjock and bddebian for their continuous support extended
[12:13] <tuxmaniac> elkbuntu: hehe
[12:13] <lifeless> tuxmaniac: I get a theme of strong coding work
[12:13] <amachu> I am also in Chennai, and I know his contributions
[12:13]  * elkbuntu suspected as much
[12:13] <lifeless> I;m interested in your community contributions more, for this council
[12:13] <amachu> we belong to same LUG
[12:13]  * techno_freak cheers tuxmaniac :)
[12:14] <tuxmaniac> lifeless: as in to the Ubuntu India loco?
[12:14] <lifeless> for instance
[12:14] <elkbuntu> lifeless, i believe he has done this. his visits to the unis and organising the bug jam things are community
[12:14] <tuxmaniac> lifeless: well in general if you consider Free software community, I have been presenting a lot on Free Software Science tools to a lot of Universities.
[12:15] <lifeless> elkbuntu: bug jam is kinda blurry; but don't get me started
[12:15] <techno_freak> tuxmaniac, D/U Project Day ;)
[12:15] <elkbuntu> lifeless, that shouldnt make the intent any less
[12:15] <tuxmaniac> lifeless: http://tuxmaniac.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=26 <-- has the presentations made
[12:15] <tuxmaniac> those dont have the duplicate presentations made at other places
[12:16] <lifeless> elkbuntu: I think we all need to apply our own judgement here, I'm not criticising your opinions; allow me the latitude to ask the questions to form mine, please.
[12:16] <tuxmaniac> and as techno_freak mentioned, we organised Debian Ubuntu Project day at FOSS.in last year. where we got several people from both debian and ubuntu communities to talk and share ideas. We had a Ubuntu Stall and distributed stickers etc
[12:16] <elkbuntu> point taken
[12:16] <amachu> elkbuntu: only smart diff is that I am more into language mode..
[12:17] <lifeless> ok, I'm +1
[12:18] <tuxmaniac> lifeless: thank you.
[12:18] <amachu> +1 from me too.
[12:19] <tuxmaniac> thanks amachu
[12:19] <lifeless> The thing that makes me plus one is the organising of things
[12:19] <lifeless> rather than doing individual talks (many active coders talk about their interests :)).
[12:19] <amachu> lifeless: organising of things?
[12:20] <lifeless> e.g. debian/ubuntu project day at FOSS.in
[12:20] <lifeless> amachu: ^
[12:20] <tuxmaniac> lifeless: techno_freak and slytherin have been very helpful in that. So we could do a lot of things
[12:20] <elkbuntu> we still have two more people to do, lets not make them wait
[12:21] <amachu> TheMuso: ?
[12:21] <TheMuso> amachu: I've given my vote, +1.
[12:22] <amachu> fine then, tuxmaniac - Welcome!
[12:22]  * tuxmaniac jumps in joy!
[12:22] <tuxmaniac> thanks everybody
[12:22] <amachu> let me call, amireldor
[12:22] <techno_freak> congrats tuxmaniac :)
[12:23] <tuxmaniac> thanks techno_freak
[12:23] <amachu> amireldor doesn't seem to be here
[12:23] <amachu> joseamunoz: are you there?
[12:23] <joseamunoz> amachu: yes
[12:23] <amachu> please go ahead presenting yourself and your contributions to Ubuntu
[12:24] <joseamunoz> Hi All, first of all I would like to sorry for my English. (I'm not native)
[12:24] <joseamunoz> I am 35 and I live in Madrid
[12:25] <joseamunoz> I started with computing engineering 15 years ago and I knew Linux 7-8 years ago.
[12:26] <joseamunoz> After playing with several distros, Debian was taught by a colleague of mine 4 years ago
[12:26] <joseamunoz> and also he show me Ubuntu
[12:26] <joseamunoz> I started to play with Ubuntu one year ago and, after two months of enjoying it :)
[12:26] <joseamunoz> I started to write in a very famous Spanish Managazine
[12:27] <joseamunoz> Linux +
[12:27] <joseamunoz> I'm good in systems and networking, although my knowledge in program is very poor
[12:28] <joseamunoz> So, my way to contribute is to show the spanish people how good is Ubuntu distro in different scenarios
[12:28] <joseamunoz> I confirm you I wrote 9 articles and now I'm doing the 10th
[12:28] <lifeless> each article is in a separate edition of the magazine?
[12:29] <joseamunoz> It depends. Last month I wrote 2 articles
[12:29] <joseamunoz> And the one I'm writting now is going to be divided in two parts
[12:29] <joseamunoz> In the professional environment
[12:30] <lifeless> If I may ask, what do you do for employment?
[12:30] <joseamunoz> Do you mean in my job?
[12:31] <lifeless> yes'
[12:31] <joseamunoz> Right now I'm IT Manager in the Air Liquide Group Company in Spain
[12:31] <lifeless> so these articles are from your own time, not from your job?
[12:32] <joseamunoz> Yes
[12:32] <lifeless> very cool
[12:32] <lifeless> anyone else have questions?
[12:32] <joseamunoz> I would like to add one thing
[12:32] <joseamunoz> :)
[12:32] <lifeless> sure
[12:33] <joseamunoz> I have a friend working in a very important company in Spain (This is reflected in one of the articles)
[12:33] <joseamunoz> This company has implemented Ubuntu
[12:33] <joseamunoz> with Zabbix
[12:33] <joseamunoz> after reading the article and testing the power of Ubuntu
[12:33] <amachu> lifeless: I would like to hear about your involvement with Sapnizh LoCo community
[12:33] <lifeless> amachu: perhaps you mean joseamunoz ?
[12:33] <amachu> lifeless: yes
[12:34] <amachu> :-)
[12:34] <joseamunoz> :)
[12:34] <joseamunoz> Really, I'm very new in the Loco community (Last week), so I don't have to many to offer. I'm talking with the responsibles
[12:34] <joseamunoz> to do asap documentation
[12:34] <joseamunoz> and to be involved in their projects
[12:35] <joseamunoz> I really like the CUPIE one
[12:35] <joseamunoz> One I like is to teach and offer people my knowledge
[12:35] <joseamunoz> and I think CUPIE will make me happy
[12:35] <elkbuntu> joseamunoz, your wikipage kind of mentions bug reporting and QA. how many bugs have you reported?
[12:35] <joseamunoz> I hope to be involved ASAP
[12:36] <joseamunoz> From the time I'm using ubuntu about 10-15 (not too much)
[12:36] <joseamunoz> I always try to fix or to find a workaround and
[12:36] <joseamunoz> share it asap
[12:37] <joseamunoz> As I told you, I'm not good in code or programming
[12:37] <joseamunoz> only system problems of functionality are the ones I usually report
[12:37] <joseamunoz> About QA, I have 4 years of experience, so
[12:38] <joseamunoz> although it is not my passion, I will be happy to help doing some test
[12:38] <joseamunoz> This is me :)
[12:39] <joseamunoz> I think thats all. If you have any question...
[12:39] <lifeless> any other questions?
[12:40] <amachu> elkbuntu: persia: TheMuso: ?
[12:40] <TheMuso> No questions from me.
[12:41] <persia> No, I don't have any questions.
[12:41] <amachu> joseamunoz: and I cannot get the info on CUPIE, its in spanish. whats its about briefly?
[12:42] <persia> I'm very pleased with the articles, but without history of involvement in the LoCo, history of work with the Documentation, Translation, or QA teams, or much else beyond the articles, I'm feeling there isn't quite enough to vote +1.
[12:43] <joseamunoz> C.U.P.I.E. is a Spanish project to extend the Ubuntu knowledge as much as possible
[12:43] <amachu> joseamunoz: ok. Thank You.
[12:43] <joseamunoz> https://launchpad.net/~cupie
[12:43] <elkbuntu> sorry, my bip proxy disconnected me again. did my vote get through?
[12:43] <elkbuntu> persia has worded my vote much better than I did, so i'm just going to point to what he said and say 'me too'
[12:43] <lifeless> I think the consistent effort over time of the articles is enough for a +1 - consistent over time is one of the most important things
[12:44] <joseamunoz> Thanks
[12:44] <lifeless> so my vote is +1
[12:44] <persia> Indeed.  The articles are excellent, and it's very nice to seem them continuing.
[12:45] <amachu> I would like to see joseamunoz's involvement with community more..
[12:45] <elkbuntu> i agree the articles are good, but i havent read them.
[12:45] <joseamunoz> anachu: I will do
[12:45] <amachu> independently its great to have contributed through articles on Ubuntu
[12:46] <elkbuntu> by good i mean, a good contribution.
[12:46] <amachu> joseamunoz: are there people here to back you?
[12:47] <joseamunoz> amachu: no
[12:47] <elkbuntu> however, i dont know if they're quality or not. i can point to many ubuntu articles that are less than ideal.
[12:47] <amachu> would have also been great had the wiki been provided with few Testimonials
[12:47] <joseamunoz> I can confirm you all the articles are deeply reviewed
[12:47] <joseamunoz> before being published
[12:48] <joseamunoz> but, it is difficult to show here
[12:48] <elkbuntu> amachu, the wikipage i think is sadly taking up a url that could be better used too :(
[12:49] <joseamunoz> If you go to the <here> link, you will see the last two months
[12:49] <joseamunoz> with my publications
[12:49] <joseamunoz> http://www.lpmagazine.org/prt/view/pag-prin.html
[12:49] <amachu> joseamunoz: the contributions are continuos and independent. Its great. Had there been one or two here to back your efforts, would have
[12:50] <amachu> it would have been great, and would have added value in giving +1
[12:51] <joseamunoz> thanks
[12:51] <amachu> TheMuso: ?
[12:51] <TheMuso> I think +0 as well. I haven't read articles so I am unsure of their quality, but some testimonials would have been nice. Please keep up your efforts however, and return to us when you think you have more to present to us.
[12:52] <joseamunoz> ok. thanks for your time
[12:52] <joseamunoz> I will do
[12:52] <lifeless> uhm
[12:52] <amachu> joseamunoz: thanks for turning up today. would like to see you back with a strong back up
[12:52] <lifeless> protocol question
[12:52] <elkbuntu> joseamunoz, you have good potential
[12:52] <lifeless> what do we need for approval, as a total ?
[12:53] <lifeless> consensus, >0 ? > 2 ? no negatives ?
[12:53] <joseamunoz> thanks
[12:54] <amachu> lifeless: we are seven in board, four in favour should do good, if all seven present
[12:54] <amachu> nod from four is the protocol
[12:56] <persia> I think +4 is good.
[12:56] <joseamunoz> I let you now. Thanks again for your time and see you next time. I will prepare myself with a strong background for the next months
[12:56] <amachu> tuxmaniac: Welcoming you again
[12:56] <persia> I certainly thing joseamunoz is doing excellent work, but just needs a bit more of the newer involvement.
[12:56] <joseamunoz> I hope you will be really happy next time
[12:56] <lifeless> I think > 1/2 of attending members actually, so that if we only have 4, we don't have to be unanimous
[12:56] <amachu> joseamunoz: Best wishes for you. Hoping to see your contributions more and be back :-)
[12:56] <persia> joseamunoz: Looking forward to seeing you again.
[12:57] <joseamunoz> bye :)
[12:57] <amachu> amireldor: there?
[12:57] <persia> lifeless: I'm good 1/2+1 of attending members, so for +3 for 4-5 members and +4 for 6-7 members.
[12:58] <persia> Would that meet your goals?
[12:58] <lifeless> persia: yes, that fits what I was thinking :)
[12:58] <amachu> elkbuntu: what do you feel?
[12:59] <persia> OK.  I just wanted to avoid +2 with 4 or +3 with six, which to me would indicate indecision: perhaps not the best support behind a new member.
[12:59] <elkbuntu> there needs to be a buffer, but i agree .5 is too large a buffer
[13:00] <amachu> TheMuso: ?
[13:00] <TheMuso> makes sense to me
[13:00] <lifeless> persia: > != >= :)
[13:00] <amachu> :-)
[13:01] <amachu> it takes two third of majority on crucial decisions :-)
[13:02] <elkbuntu> i wouldnt call memberships 'crucial'
[13:03] <amachu> I think, minimum quorum need to be met (4 of us present), and 1/2+1 in favour should do good
[13:03] <elkbuntu> how do the other councils manage such situations?
[13:04] <elkbuntu> s/council/board/
[13:04] <amachu> we shall discuss more, may be involving other's opinion also and decide at mailing list
[13:04] <lifeless> did we have a 3rd applicant?
[13:05] <amachu> lifeless: Amir Eldor isn't present
[13:05] <persia> lousygarua signed up, but isn't here.
[13:06] <amachu> persia: fine then. is that all for the day? anything else?
[13:06] <persia> Is everyone OK with the idea that we just always reach quorum?  Does anyone need to miss some meetings?
[13:07] <Seveas> elkbuntu, EMEA wants half+1 of attending, and at least 4 attending members
[13:07] <Seveas> (maybe even at least 5, not sure)
[13:07] <lifeless> same as we're proposing here
[13:07] <elkbuntu> Seveas, thanks. always worth having a standard that we all adhere to
[13:09] <amachu> Seveas: yes. we will confirm with the team too
[13:10] <amachu> We will confirm with other team too...
[13:10] <amachu> is there anything else?
[13:12] <amachu> fine then, it appear all are in deep thinking. let me call off today's meeting
[13:12] <elkbuntu> s/thinking/snoozing/
[13:12] <Seveas> @now sydney
[13:12] <amachu> our next meeting will take place on Sep 02, Tuesday 11.00 UTC
[13:13] <elkbuntu> yes, not quite stupid-o-clock
[13:13] <amachu> thank you everyone for turning out today :-)
[13:14] <tuxmaniac> thank you all for approving my membership.
[13:14] <elkbuntu> tuxmaniac, you deserved it!
[13:15] <TheMuso> thanks
[13:15] <tuxmaniac> elkbuntu: thanks. and just as a sidenote, did you receive my forward reading FOSS.in announcement?
[13:15] <tuxmaniac> regarding*
[13:19] <Igorot> heh, dinner. day-off ako ngayon
[13:20] <Igorot> er.. sorry guys. wrong channel
[13:20] <lifeless> well gnight the
[15:02] <mdz> #startmeeting
[15:02]  * ogra woders which one ... nothing on the fridge
[15:03] <mdz> tech board, which has been in this time slot every 2 weeks for ages
[15:03] <mdz> I don't know why the fridge doesn't know about it or how to fix that; if you do, please help
[15:03] <ogra> but nobody bothered to update the frdge ... community meetings somewhat relyon the fridge schedule for this room
[15:04] <ogra> hmm, there was a mail addy to poke ...
[15:04]  * ogra digs
[15:05] <mdz> agenda items: 1. status of cdrtools discussion, 2. gobby co-maintenance with Debian, 3. revisiting limited upload privileges for kernel and printing packages
[15:06] <ogra> oh, nobody has put 2.6.27 up ?
[15:06] <sabdfl> hello all
[15:06] <mdz> I asked pgraner about 2.6.27 this morning and he said that we should discuss after he discusses with the team
[15:06] <ogra> ah
[15:07] <mdz> there is still active discussion on the mailing list and I think it would be premature to take it to the tech board to resolve
[15:07] <jjesse> @schedule Detroit
[15:07] <mdz> agenda items: 1. status of cdrtools discussion, 2. gobby co-maintenance with Debian, 3. revisiting limited upload privileges for kernel and printing packages, 4. board membership/nominations
[15:08] <mdz> despite the fridge not knowing about it, this is the regularly scheduled meeting of the Ubuntu Technical Board
[15:08] <jjesse> sorry to interupt
[15:08] <ogra> just mailing fridge-devel
[15:08] <mdz> jjesse: no problem, I'll see about getting that fixed after the meeting
[15:08] <mdz> oh, thanks ogra
[15:08] <james_w> ogra, mdz: news-team now
[15:08] <james_w> fridge-devel is dead
[15:08] <mdz> MootBot seems to be unresponsive at the moment
[15:09] <mdz> [TOPIC] status of cdrtools discussion
[15:09] <ogra> james_w, oh, the fridge still links it automatically for adding events ... thanks
[15:09] <sabdfl> afaik joerg hasn't responded to my suggestion that we both agree to respect an SFLC finding
[15:09] <mdz> sabdfl proposed getting an opinion from the SFLC, but has asked Joerg to agree to make it binding before going to that trouble and expense
[15:10] <mdz> after a week or so, he asked what was happening, and this was restated
[15:10] <mdz> I haven't seen a response to that yet
[15:11] <mdz> anything else on this topic?
[15:11] <sabdfl> we could see if the Sun folks are interested in that analysis too, which would make it binding on joerg in all the places where it is shipped or under consideration
[15:12] <mdz> I don't have any contacts there, and as I recall, Joerg didn't seem to either
[15:12] <sabdfl> i'll mail sun
[15:12] <sabdfl> nothing else form me on that front
[15:12] <mdz> [ACTION] sabdfl to contact Sun regarding cdrtools
[15:12] <mdz> [TOPIC] gobby co-maintenance with Debian
[15:13] <mdz> Philipp Kern, maintainer of gobby in Debian, is interested in helping to maintain gobby in Ubuntu main
[15:13] <mdz> he's a MOTU since October 2007
[15:14] <ogra> (and was very helpful in edubuntu in the past)
[15:14] <mdz> he hasn't contacted us directly, but spoke to sabdfl at DebConf
[15:15] <mdz> I'm happy for us to consider granting special upload privileges
[15:15] <ogra> i asked to sponsor him for an UDS ... we somehow missed out on that (and i forgot it for prague, sorry)
[15:15] <sabdfl> we've had positive reports of the "limited upload rights" capability from Mario
[15:16] <sabdfl> i explained to pkern that our main concern was folks thinking they had a monopoly on a package
[15:16] <sabdfl> he seemed very aware of the potential issues and sensitive to the ubuntu style
[15:16] <ogra> well, he surely knows the code best as upstream would be my counter argument
[15:16] <sabdfl> his point, that he could maintain it while it was in universe as a MOTU but no longer can help since it moved to main, is very valid
[15:17] <sabdfl> ogra: i don't follow?
[15:17] <sabdfl> is pkern also an upstream for gobby?
[15:17] <ogra> sabdfl, pkern wrote gobby
[15:17] <ogra> right
[15:17] <sabdfl> aha
[15:17] <ogra> and he is been a very active and helpful motu in the past as well, he surely knows the ubuntu way
[15:18] <sabdfl> anyhow, i'm +1 in this case, and generally positive this sort of approach where we believe someone understands ubuntu and is sensitive to the idea that they don't have a monopoly
[15:18] <ogra> (i'm not as active in motu myself to judge his recent participation though)
[15:18] <mdz> as Debian maintainer and upstream he surely knows the package well enough, and MOTU is sufficient to me to affirm that he knows the basics of how things work in Ubuntu
[15:18] <mdz> I think it's fine, +1
[15:18] <mdz> [ACTION] mdz to arrange upload rights for gobby for pkern
[15:19] <mdz> [TOPIC] revisiting limited upload privileges for kernel and printing packages
[15:19] <mdz> on a similar note, we've granted core-dev privileges to a couple of MOTUs interested in working with specific packages in main
[15:20] <mdz> with the proviso that they were to follow standard sponsorship processes for other packages
[15:20] <sabdfl> till, tim gardner,... ?
[15:20] <mdz> now that Launchpad has the capability to implement this directly, I think we should revisit this and just grant those specific upload rights
[15:20] <mdz> sabdfl: yes
[15:21] <mdz> thoughts?
[15:21] <sabdfl> +1 from me, are there any other?
[15:21] <mdz> I believe that's all
[15:21] <persia> Those are the only two people I know of that have had restrictions requested at the time of approval.
[15:21] <sabdfl> at the moment, our options for permissions are: component ("main") and package ("linux-2.4.27")
[15:22] <sabdfl> how valuable would it be to be able to have groups of packages handled in this way?
[15:22]  * ogra would propose stgraber for italc uploads but i guess he needs to ask himself first 
[15:22] <sabdfl> like: "java-core" or "gnome-desktop", where those package sets can be defined and refined on an ongoing basis?
[15:22] <mdz> with the ArchiveReorganisation plan, upload rights would map to seeds, which provide a nice way to group packages
[15:22] <mdz> I think that would be sufficient for this use case as well
[15:23] <persia> That helps for gnome-desktop, but not for e.g. java-core or mozilla
[15:23] <mdz> they've thought through the questions about how changes in dependencies, etc. would be dealt with
[15:23] <mdz> persia: I see no reason it couldn't be applied that way
[15:23] <persia> mdz: OK.  That works.
[15:23] <mdz> splitting java packages out of a more general seed for access control seems reasonable
[15:24] <mdz> I expect that we would do this on logical groups of packages, rather than random collections of them, anyway
[15:24] <persia> Certainly, and likely only for groups of packages with existing maintainer groups.
[15:24] <sabdfl> i would expect package sets could be aggregations of other package sets
[15:24] <mdz> like the java and mozilla examples
[15:24] <sabdfl> "server includes java core"
[15:24] <mdz> sabdfl: seeds are hierarchical as well
[15:24] <sabdfl> cool
[15:25] <sabdfl> ok, that's useful info, i'll try and get to Colin w.r.t. ArchiveReorganisation
[15:25] <persia> Some Java-core is desktop only, but that's mostly irrelevant to this discussion.
[15:25] <mdz> desktop includes standard includes minimal etc.
[15:25] <sabdfl> thanks
[15:25] <mdz> ok, I'll follow up with Tim and Till
[15:26] <mdz> [ACTION] mdz to follow up regarding upload access control for Tim (kernel) and Till (printing)
[15:26] <mdz> [TOPIC] board membership/nominations
[15:26] <mdz> sabdfl asked for nominations from the community, and received a fair number of responses
[15:27] <sabdfl> i haven't approached any of the nominees to establish their willingness to serve
[15:27] <mdz> is that the next step?
[15:28] <sabdfl> i would only approach some of them, need to take a view on the ones we think would make great candidates
[15:29] <mdz> I've weighed in on all of them
[15:31] <mdz> [ACTION] sabdfl to contact the candidates and confirm their interest
[15:31] <sabdfl> ok, i will contact the ones we think would be good, and see if they are willing to stand in a vote
[15:31] <mdz> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:31] <mdz> anything else?
[15:32] <mdz> ok, thanks all
[15:32] <mdz> #endmeeting
[15:36] <sabdfl> thanks mdz
[15:36] <ogra> thanks
[15:48] <nijaba> @now
[15:52] <jjesse> finlly a server team mtg i remember
[15:58] <mathiaz> hello !
[15:58] <nijaba> o/
[15:59] <zul> hi
[16:02] <mathiaz> anyone around for the meeting ? (except zul nijaba and jjesse) ?
[16:03] <jjesse> nope :)
[16:03] <nijaba> we feel lonely today
[16:03] <dendrobates> o/
[16:03] <jjesse> i saw dendrobates join the channel
[16:03] <mathiaz> well - let's get started
[16:03] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:03] <soren> o/
[16:04] <soren> -ENOMOOTBOT
[16:04] <mathiaz> hm - MootBot doesn't seem to be around :/
[16:04] <nijaba> not even a bot for the meeting
[16:04] <dendrobates> hello mootbot!
[16:04] <soren> That's the worst turnout evar.
[16:04] <Koon> o/
[16:04] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:04] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:05] <mathiaz> I wasn't there last week - and haven't seen any minutes
[16:05] <mathiaz> is there anything left from last meeting ?
[16:05] <Hobbsee> mathiaz: it's responding in PM, so...
[16:05] <Hobbsee> #start meeting
[16:05] <Hobbsee> hmm
[16:05] <jjesse> mootbot didn't work in the tech board mtg held previously
[16:06] <mathiaz> so nothing from last week meeting
[16:06] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:06] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap
[16:07] <mathiaz> As you may know, Thursday is FeatureFreeze for Intrepid
[16:07] <mathiaz> The current roadmap: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap
[16:08] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu VM builder
[16:08] <mathiaz> soren: ?
[16:08] <soren> I'm going to upload something tonight.
[16:09] <mathiaz> soren: do you plan to blog about it ? or write up some documentation ?
[16:09] <soren> I'm trying hard to squeeze in all the features I've been thinking of, and then expect to polish them after Thursday.
[16:09] <soren> mathiaz: I'm adding a lot of API documentation inline.
[16:09] <soren> I'm trying to get pydoc to generate some external API docs for me.
[16:10]  * nijaba hugs soren
[16:10] <mathiaz> soren: great !
[16:10] <soren> but that's new territory to me, so I need to wrap my head around that first.
[16:10] <soren> It doesn't seem very complicated, though.
[16:10]  * nijaba feels bad to have not made more time for uvb
[16:10] <mathiaz> soren: writing documentation ?
[16:10] <zul> writing documentation sucks
[16:10] <sommer> :(
[16:11] <nijaba> zul: do you mean to say something to sommer?
[16:11] <mathiaz> nijaba: are you planning to update your tutorial about uvb ?
[16:11]  * Koon hugs sommer and shields him from zul's mentos throwing
[16:11] <nijaba> mathiaz: which one?
[16:11] <mathiaz> nijaba: once soren uploaded his work ?
[16:11] <soren> mathiaz: Well, getting on top of the documentation system.
[16:11] <nijaba> mathiaz: I'll gladly make one
[16:11] <mathiaz> nijaba: you wrote a tutorial about uvb for hardy (the one published in the linux jounral IIRC)
[16:12] <nijaba> mathiaz: no uvb in that one
[16:12] <nijaba> mathiaz: but I could definitely update it to include uvb
[16:12] <mathiaz> nijaba: ah right - it was about jeos
[16:13] <mathiaz> sommer: which section should be updated in the server guide to cover the new uvb stuff from soren ?
[16:13] <nijaba> mathiaz: the virtualization section
[16:13] <sommer> yep the virt section
[16:14] <sommer> it's on my list to update... I was thinking next week?
[16:14] <mathiaz> sommer: seems like a good plan
[16:14] <sommer> o//
[16:14] <mathiaz> the next step is for soren to upload his new stuff
[16:14] <mathiaz> then sommer and nijaba can start to have a look at it and update the documentation
[16:15]  * nijaba agrees
[16:15] <soren> Right on.
[16:15] <dendrobates> sommer: did you get  a chance to add the bit about support at the end?
[16:15] <dendrobates> sommer: or was I suposed to write it?
[16:16] <sommer> dendrobates: no haven't had a chance yet, it's still on the list though
[16:16] <nealmcb> OOPS - I forgot the minutes.  Here are two actions.   [ACTION] ScottK will post a blog request for help with the ClamavSpamassasssin MIRs
[16:16] <nealmcb> [ACTION] tarvid to summarize drupal issues and propose something to the mailing list
[16:18] <mathiaz> nealmcb: great - thanks for running last week meeting
[16:18] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I haven't seen any drupal email
[16:19] <nealmcb> I'll get the transcript on the web at least - harder without mootbot.  but I didn't even follow up on why mootbot wasn't working last week.  too much going on.....
[16:19]  * nealmcb sighs
[16:19] <mathiaz> nealmcb: ok - you can get the logs from irclogs.ubuntu.com
[16:19] <mathiaz> nealmcb: that's were I grab them usually
[16:19]  * nealmcb nods
[16:20] <mathiaz> so any action on uvb ?
[16:20] <mathiaz> nijaba: to write a tutorial ?
[16:20] <mathiaz> sommer: to update the virtualization section ?
[16:20] <nijaba> yep
[16:20] <nealmcb> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/08/19/%23ubuntu-meeting.html - to be sliced up later....
[16:20] <sommer> sure
[16:21] <mathiaz> [ACTION] nijaba to write a tutorial about the uvb
[16:21] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer to update the virtualization section of the server guide with references to uvb
[16:21] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I usually use the .txt version
[16:21] <mathiaz> nealmcb: rather than the .html
[16:22] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ServerGuide for Intrepid
[16:22] <mathiaz> sommer: how is it going on this front ?
[16:23] <sommer> mathiaz: good almost have the cn=config stuff updated in the openldap section
[16:23] <sommer> basically only need adding new schemas, and to update the samba and ldap section
[16:24] <jjesse> sommer: let me know if there are section i can help w/
[16:24] <mathiaz> sommer: sections that need review are marked in the IntrepidServerGuide wiki page
[16:24] <sommer> jjesse: actually the apache section could use a little love :)
[16:24] <mathiaz> sommer:  is doc.ubuntu.com up-to-date ?
[16:25] <jjesse> sommer: let me look at it
[16:25] <sommer> mathiaz: nope it's quite a few revisions old at this point
[16:25] <nijaba> jjesse: that would be great :)
[16:25] <mathiaz> [ACTION] jjesse to update the apache section of the server guide
[16:26] <mathiaz> sommer: so where is the best place to start reviewing the server guide ?
[16:26] <jjesse> bzr :)
[16:26] <sommer> mathiaz: this is newer than doc.u.c: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~mdke/test/serverguide/C/
[16:26] <sommer> but the bzr branch is newer still
[16:27] <sommer> mathiaz: basically at this point there isn't a good online review location
[16:27] <mathiaz> sommer: ok - so check out the bzr branch
[16:27] <mathiaz> sommer: and send reviews to the ubuntu-doc mailing list
[16:28] <sommer> another thing that would be very helpfull is to read through all the sections and upate any path names, package names, etc that may have changed with intrepid
[16:28] <sommer> mathiaz: yeppers
[16:28] <mathiaz> sommer: anything else on the documentation front ?
[16:29] <sommer> mathiaz: I think that's it... getting closer, heh
[16:29] <mathiaz> sommer: awesome - thanks and keep up the good work !
[16:29] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Tomcat6 server stack support
[16:29] <mathiaz> Koon: ^ ?
[16:30] <Koon> Tomcat 6.0.18 was uploaded to fix a few security issues that were disclosed a few weeks ago
[16:30] <Koon> I've filed the required MIRs since it is a main target
[16:31] <Koon> next step after MIR is seed inclusion, then tasksel. Those will probably appear after FF
[16:31] <Koon> no feedback so far. I guess we should blog about it at one point
[16:32] <mathiaz> Koon: right - would you write a blog post for the ubuntuserver blog ?
[16:32] <mathiaz> Koon: I can create an account for you and publish it once it's ready
[16:32] <Koon> mathiaz: sure, as soon as I'm done with wbem, which probably means after FF
[16:32] <mathiaz> Koon: ok
[16:33] <mathiaz> [ACTION] Koon to write a post about tomcat6 for ubuntuserver blog
[16:33] <mathiaz> Koon: you mentionned that tomcat6 pulls in a lot of dependencies
[16:34] <mathiaz> Koon: if we want to put on the -server isos, do we have enough space on it ?
[16:34] <Koon> mathiaz: the unecessary stuff is pulled in through Recommends
[16:35] <Koon> but there are a few that should be fixed before seed includion
[16:35] <Koon> the lib*-java -> java2-runtime Depends in particular
[16:35] <cjwatson> recommends is pulled onto CDs just as much as depends at the moment
[16:35] <mathiaz> cjwatson: is this going to change ?
[16:36] <Koon> cjwatson, mathiaz: I've filed bugs to fix those dependency issues, it's more a matter of sponsoring / doko approval
[16:36] <dendrobates> Koon: adding it to the seed will force us to fix it.  So do it asap.
[16:37] <mathiaz> Koon: ok - so work is under way. Can this wait after FF ?
[16:37] <Koon> mathiaz: I don't expect the MIRs to be processed by then, and seed work comes after that ?
[16:37] <cjwatson> mathiaz: we may add some kind of exception mechanism, but not in general
[16:38] <mathiaz> Koon: right - I was refering to the Recommends -> Suggests patches
[16:38] <cjwatson> Koon: doko's on holiday - best to find somebody else
[16:38] <Koon> mathiaz: those are bugs, so I guess they can wait for after FF. I want to fix them for alpha-5 though
[16:39] <Koon> cjwatson: noted.
[16:39] <nijaba> cjwatson: is our traditional maintainer for Java, so I would guess he'd like to have a word about his types of changes, no?
[16:39] <nijaba> s/is our/Doko is our/
[16:40] <Koon> doko insisted in having lib*-java packages recomment lib*-java-gcj, which pulls in all non-headless gcj in server installs
[16:40] <cjwatson> nijaba: indeed, and it would be a bad idea to make changes we know he hates in his absence, but we don't need to have individuals have a lock on packages in Ubuntu
[16:40] <Koon> so there is some discussion to have with him I suppose
[16:40] <nijaba> cjwatson: point taken
[16:40] <cjwatson> Koon: IIRC from the bug there were some possible tweaks there without having to drop all the recommends
[16:40] <mathiaz> Koon: right - I guess that should be taken to the Ubuntu Jave team then
[16:40] <cjwatson> e.g. adjusting the -headless recommends target
[16:41] <Koon> anyway, I've filed bugs (1 pending), most of them are no-brainers that can have someone else sponsoring them
[16:42] <Koon> the remaining two might be conflictual
[16:42] <mathiaz> Koon: can you forward the list of bugs to me ? I'll have a look at sponsoring them
[16:42] <Koon> mathiaz: will do (and will file the last conflictual one)
[16:43] <mathiaz> Koon: great - if you could subscribe me to the bug in LP that would be helpful
[16:43] <mathiaz> Koon: anything else on tomcat6 ?
[16:44] <Koon> cjwatson: do you mind if I ping you sometime on the two conflictual issue so that you check if they should wait for doko's return or not ?
[16:44] <Koon> mathiaz: no.
[16:44] <cjwatson> Koon: sure, please e-mail
[16:44] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to sponsor Koon patches
[16:44] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:44] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] UFW Package Integration
[16:44] <mathiaz> jdstrand: ^ ?
[16:45] <jdstrand> the ufw portion is basically done, with a few minor things I'd like to adjust. People can look at the Roadmap to see what packages need updating to integrate with ufw
[16:45] <nealmcb> see also the discussion on that last week
[16:45] <jdstrand> yes, I am assuming people have seen that ;)
[16:46] <nealmcb> The other big discussion from last week, which did make it on to the mailing list, was Rails Integration and Rubygems
[16:47] <mathiaz> jdstrand: great - thanks
[16:47] <jdstrand> basically, see ServerTeam/Roadmap on what to update, and UbuntuFirewall for details on how to do it
[16:47] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Rails and Rubygems
[16:47] <mathiaz> macd: ^ ?
[16:47] <macd> Im here
[16:47] <macd> Looks like passenger needs a few changes as pointed out on REVU
[16:48] <macd> I sent NeilW an email (think he might be on vacation)
[16:48] <mathiaz> Right - the passenger package looks in good shape - NeilW updated the package
[16:48] <mathiaz> I haven't had time yet to review the package
[16:48] <macd> I saw your review from aug-22 and stevenk from aug 26
[16:48] <nealmcb> macd: good job on getting discussion going!
[16:48] <mathiaz> there was some discussion about rubygems and the solution to use update-alternated
[16:48] <nxvl> jdstrand: that integration must be done before FF?
[16:48] <macd> nealmcb, I had to hit the ML for some visibility
[16:49] <macd> mathiaz, yes I saw that, and that looks to be the middle ground we need
[16:49] <jdstrand> nxvl: yes
[16:49] <nxvl> ok
[16:49] <macd> so it looks that if the pass changes are made and the rubygems changes that were spoken of are made, we can get rails into intrepid in just enough time
[16:50] <macd> And we'll leave tasksel for the next release
[16:50] <macd> Just keep this focused on making sure everything works together when pulled in individually
[16:50] <mathiaz> macd: rails ?
[16:50] <macd> Intrepids rails play pretty nice
[16:50] <mathiaz> macd: my impression from NeilW was that the rails package was not working well
[16:51] <macd> That was due to gem conflicts I _think_
[16:52] <mathiaz> macd: may be - he mentionned that he was planning to get proper gem support in intrepid, but expect people to use gem to install rails
[16:52] <mathiaz> macd: rather then apt-get install rails
[16:52] <macd> mathiaz, well that certainly sounds better to me
[16:53] <macd> mathiaz, gems tend to get updated faster than the release cycle here, I've always thought the distro should have gems and let people manage their gems like perl people do cpan
[16:53] <mathiaz> macd: I'll have a look at the latest package NeilW uploaded to the ubuntu-ruby PPA
[16:53] <macd> mathiaz, great
[16:53] <mathiaz> macd: right - that's what NeilW is trying to accomplish
[16:54] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:54] <mathiaz> anything else ?
[16:54] <sommer> I spoke too soon doc.u.c has been updated... yay!
[16:54] <sommer> just fyi
[16:56] <nijaba> fyi: bloggers wanted at http://www.workswithu.com/2008/08/22/ubuntu-linux-bloggers-wanted/
[16:57] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place ?
[16:57] <soren> Yay!
[16:57] <nijaba> +1
[16:58] <sommer> o//
[16:59] <nijaba> \\o
[16:59] <nealmcb> where does ClamavSpamassasssin stand?
[16:59] <mathiaz> great - see you all next week, same time, same place
[16:59] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[17:00] <soren> Meeting ended at 15:59:58 UTC.
[17:00]  * nijaba hugs mathiaz
[17:00] <nealmcb> soren: :)
[17:00]  * soren has a part time job as MootBot.
[17:00]  * soren didn't know what to do with all his spare time, and there was an opening, so.. Yeah..
[17:00] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, later all
[17:01] <nealmcb> soren: when you get around to preparing the minutes for my meeting last week I'll really be impressed :)
[17:01] <macd> random question has anyone looked at the fail2ban bug in intrepid
[17:02] <macd> apt wont pull in the updated package from the repos, but manually downloading and installing it fixes
[17:02]  * macd moves to ubuntu-server with this
[17:03] <soren> nealmcb: I'm still proofreading all the stuff the old mootbot guy did. He's good, but I'm sure I'll find something.
[17:55] <nealmcb> #26726
[17:55] <nealmcb> bug 26726
[22:28] <jdong> hi everyone
[22:29] <jacob> hello, my first time making it to one of these in a good while
[22:29] <Technoviking> hi all
[22:30] <forumsmatthew> I made it, but I might have to leave at short notice
[22:30] <Technoviking> forumsmatthew: how was the trip
[22:30] <jdong> jacob: oh, likewise, it's hard to get schedules to match up
[22:31] <forumsmatthew> it's been crazy...I'm living in a hotel and trying to buy a house.
[22:31] <forumsmatthew> everyone is healthy and in good spirits, though
[22:31] <jdong> that's the most important thing :)
[22:31] <jdong> of course, having a house is nice and all.
[22:31] <Technoviking> coolness
[22:31] <jacob> jdong: you've got reasons, i've just been forgetting ;)
[22:32] <forumsmatthew> anyone seen u-g or kiwi?
[22:32] <Technoviking> not yet
[22:33] <Technoviking> lets give them a couple more minutes
[22:33] <jdong> ok
[22:33] <forumsmatthew> ok
[22:35]  * PriceChild waves
[22:35] <Technoviking> hey pricey
[22:35] <jdong> PriceChild: you're late. that's 5 demerits.
[22:36] <PriceChild> jdong: you're ignoring me. That's 10 demerits.
[22:36]  * forumsmatthew waves quickly to avoid demerits
[22:36] <jdong> PriceChild: well.. where's that iMac I wanted for my birthday?
[22:36] <jdong> PriceChild: I thought you cared about me!
[22:36] <jdong> PriceChild: after all that stuff I did for you at night
[22:36] <PriceChild> jdong: you never said!
[22:36] <jdong> like watching the IRC channels
[22:37] <PriceChild> You've been too busy doing stuff you're not allowed to tell us and not paying us any attention.
[22:39] <Technoviking> shall we start we have a quorum
[22:39] <forumsmatthew> I'm ready when you are
[22:40] <Technoviking> jdong?
[22:40] <jdong> good to go
[22:40] <Technoviking> [22:40] <Technoviking> ok the meeting agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[22:40] <Technoviking> is xhhux here?
[22:41] <Technoviking> Would like to put this to bed
[22:41] <Technoviking> Going 1.. 2.. 3..
[22:41] <jdong> did ubuntu-geek say if he's going to be here?
[22:42] <jdong> looking at the second item it seems like he'd be helpful on the technical side of the discussion
[22:42] <Technoviking> jdong: probably still on the way home
[22:43] <PriceChild> the ubuntuforums-staff launchpad group doesn't do anything though does it?
[22:43] <Technoviking> ok xhhux was banned from the forums for creating multiple accounts, the FC gave him a second chance which he wasted in about 30 minutes
[22:43] <PriceChild> eek sorry thought we'd moved on
[22:43] <jdong> did we ever manage to reach him at a valid e-mail address?
[22:43] <jdong> this game is really pushing my patience to its limits
[22:43] <Technoviking> We have invited him to two FC meeting to discuss this issues and he has chosen not to show up
[22:44] <Technoviking> jdong: The last e-mail I sent did not bounce
[22:44] <forumsmatthew> Three...
[22:44] <forumsmatthew> He has had his agenda item removed twice, if I remember correctly
[22:44] <jdong> Technoviking: ok, then let's asssume he has received the notices
[22:44] <forumsmatthew> and he put it back on each time
[22:44] <Technoviking> three meeting, I have lost count
[22:44] <jdong> at this point, I'm not interested in wasting my time playing this game every meeting
[22:45] <forumsmatthew> At this point, I think he is only interested to the extent that he does not have to be accountable for his actions
[22:45] <jdong> until further notice from the FC, xhhux is to stop making accounts at the forums.
[22:45] <forumsmatthew> he isn't interested in actually discussing the problem and seeking a real solution
[22:45] <forumsmatthew> jdong, +1
[22:46] <Technoviking> +1, I will send him e-mail from the best address I can find
[22:47] <jdong> alright, thanks
[22:47] <forumsmatthew> thank you
[22:48] <Technoviking> should we wait for ubuntu-geek or hear what ubuntu-geek has to say
[22:49] <Technoviking> should we wait for ubuntu-geek or hear what jacob has to say (whoops)
[22:49] <jacob> the Launchpad group for LoCo mods is trivial really, someone on the forums had wondered if loco mods were allowed on the staff group
[22:49] <jdong> I think we can start discussing it
[22:49] <jacob> and later it was suggested to just make a new group
[22:49] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to have to leave soon, so I would prefer to hear about it
[22:49] <jdong> the "whether it's technically feasible" part would need Ryan's advice though
[22:50] <jdong> but we can leave that for later
[22:50] <jacob> jdong: afaik, the current staff launchpad group isn't integrated into the forums either, so this wouldn't be too difficult to get going
[22:50] <Technoviking> this in Launchpad or a forums group?
[22:50] <forumsmatthew> My thought is that it is better to leave the current forums staff group on Launchpad exclusive to global mods and admins, but
[22:51] <jacob> Technoviking: Launchpad
[22:51] <forumsmatthew> we can add a new group for loco staff
[22:51] <jdong> jacob: ok, it's a LP group
[22:51] <jacob> Technoviking: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=899138 for reference
[22:52] <jacob> maybe just a simple ubuntufourms-loco-staff group, added as a subgroup of ubuntuforums-staff
[22:52] <forumsmatthew> for the record, I am okay with the idea....sorry, I have to leave now
[22:53] <forumsmatthew> hopefully I can get settled in before the next meeting. :)
[22:53] <jdong> how do subgroups work?
[22:53] <jacob> forumsmatthew: bye :)
[22:53] <jdong> I'm not sure if it's the right relationship
[22:53] <jacob> jdong: you can add a group as a member of another group
[22:53] <jdong> i.e. how is the Ubuntu MOTU Contributors vs Ubuntu MOTU team set up?
[22:53] <Technoviking> I would just suggest ubuntufourms-loco-staff that is owned by the FC group
[22:53] <jacob> and anyone who is a member of the subgroup is effectively members of both
[22:54] <jdong> I think it should be owned by the FC group
[22:54] <jdong> but I'm not sure if it should be a subgroup of the staff group
[22:54] <jacob> that's okay with me
[22:54] <Technoviking> The top subgroup is a member of its child group I believe
[22:54] <jdong> unless we have a "ubuntuforums-core-staff" group
[22:54] <jdong> I'm concerned it might get confusing who's staff and who's loco staff
[22:55] <jacob> jdong: sounds fine, having too many groups will get confusing
[22:55] <Technoviking> jdong: agreed
[22:55] <jdong> ok, then I think a separate loco-staff group owned by the FC is more appropriate
[22:57] <Technoviking> and maybe loco-forum-mods or loco-forum-volenteers is a better term, so not to be confused with forums staff
[22:57] <jdong> "ubuntuforums-loco-mods"?
[22:57] <jacob> sounds good
[22:58] <Technoviking> +1
[22:58] <Technoviking> lets mkae sure to have ubuntu-geek and kiwi read the log of the meeting and make sure there is no problem
[22:59] <jdong> ok
[23:00] <Technoviking> coolness
[23:00] <Technoviking> anything else?
[23:00] <jacob> i was about to ask "What about Jane Sample?" but then something sunk in...
[23:00] <Technoviking> :)
[23:01] <jdong> jacob: LOL likewise
[23:02] <Technoviking>  ok, thanks for coming everyone
[23:02] <jacob> quick meeting, good
[23:02] <Technoviking>