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ogra-Q1/join #ubuntu-devel11:05
ograhmm11:06
ograseems empathy doesnt let you use IRC commands in IRC or i'm to silly to use it11:06
* ogra-Q1 tries again11:17
ogra-Q1/join #ubuntu-motu11:17
ogra-Q1now thats just silly11:17
ogra-Q1/msg ogra hello11:18
* ogra-Q1 shakes his head11:18
ogra-Q1why the heck do they make /me work but ignore all other IRC commands 11:19
ogra-Q1/msg nickserv moo11:19
ogra-Q1heh11:19
* ogra-Q1 considers empathy a security risk that way and uninstalls it11:21
guruzlol11:24
ograits insane ....11:24
ograthey should at least keep /msg working11:24
ograif people dont want to identify right away they will surely run into showing their pw publically11:25
davmor2ogra it does but only on msg page11:25
StevenKogra: "Fun"11:25
ogradavmor2, would you expect that ?11:25
ogra(without reading the docs i mean)11:26
ograi know a lot of overcautious people that dont save their PW in the app and use /msg nickserv blah11:26
davmor2nope but I'm using empathy on my main system as the memory leak on pidgin kept killing it's performance :)11:26
ograwell, i use xchat for IRC anyway, but my task this week is to revie IM apps for mobile ... empaty just failed the test with that issue ...11:27
ograits oterwise not worse than pidgin 11:28
ogra(i wonder though why they picked gossip as their UI base)11:28
davmor2ogra: it was the default gnome one and they wanted to reuse existing code rather than create another new one11:29
ograwell, the pidgin UI is likely more used 11:29
* ogra didnt know gossip was default in gnome211:29
davmor2ogra: to be fair when it is done right it works quite well but I got to admit that not using all the protocols is bloody annoying :)11:48
ograits on a good path, but still not where it shoud be for being mainstream11:48
davmor2ogra: try some of the other protocols they make a lot more sense :)11:49
davmor2and the smileys look ugly I think :)11:50
ograif i only could remember my jabber account data11:50
StevenKogra: You and me both11:50
ograraaah ... i would just like to close my window but need to approve 1 mio contacts first 11:55
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persiaogra: ubuntu-mobile-default-settings reviewed.  Adda second ACK, archive, and push at your leisure.14:12
ograyou mean i should ACK myself14:13
ogra?14:13
ografun14:13
persiaYep.  Good to have a record of two ACKs, and I don't want to run dput :)14:15
persiaJust remember to archive after you ACK, and then dput.14:15
ograarchived14:15
* ogra ponders if a ubuntu-mobile-artwork is worth a separate package for a single gtkrc file (actually two changes to the NewHuman gtkrc)14:17
persiaogra: Just stuff it in -default-settings (but now you have to wait for NEW)14:35
ograyeah, doesnt matter 14:36
ograartwork deadline is still a month out :)14:36
ian_brasilhi...is there some way to stop hardware detection on every boot?15:18
persiaian_brasil: You could hardcode module loading.15:20
ograand blacklist the unwanted ones ... but thats a good bunch of work15:21
ogra(i hope to write some scripts for intrepid+1 to improve bootspeed )15:21
ian_brasilhow do i hardcode the modules?15:28
ograput them into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run sudo update-initamfs -u15:29
ograthat forcefully loads them after initramfs is unpackaed15:30
ian_brasilnice!15:31
ian_brasiland change /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ?15:31
ograno15:32
ograjust add them in the modules file15:32
ian_brasilunderstood15:33
ograthe file is looped by the load_modules function from /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init15:34
ogra(which is the actual init used by initramfs15:35
ogra)15:35
ian_brasilbut what if MODULES still has the value 'most' in the .conf...will it try to pull modules which are not necessary?15:44
ogratats about what modules are copied into the initramfs, not about which ones are probed15:46
shishirm1has any tried installed clutter on ubuntu 8.04 or ubuntu netbook remix apps??15:48
ian_brasiland to stop a probe on every boot?15:49
ografor that you need to hack up udev15:49
ogra(udev needs to probe to create the necessary devcies)15:50
StevenKshishirm1: Clutter is already installed for UNR15:50
shishirm1unr??15:51
StevenKUbuntu Netbook Remix15:51
shishirm1ya 15:51
shishirm1i tried that without ume launcher15:52
shishirm1so i couldn work with it15:52
shishirm1i have a khojinsha sh series notebook15:52
shishirm1and it runs intel atom processor15:52
shishirm1can i use ume launcher?15:53
* ian_brasil is not looking forward to hacking udev15:53
shishirm1a110 the specific model15:54
ian_brasilso the quickest way to speed up boot is through a custom kernel?15:54
shishirm1i tried ume on it the touch screen an stuf weren good15:54
shishirm1http://www.hclleaptops.in/mileap/product2.asp here is the link of my laptop15:55
shishirm1if u can please help me get a touch screen frndly interface on my installed ubuntu 8.04 desktop edition15:55
ograian_brasil, what would you gain with a custom kernel (apart from having to hack up udev even more)15:58
ograits all about modules15:58
ian_brasilogra: udev takes around 30s on our test machine (geode with a 500 mhz processor)16:11
ogralook for the udevsettle command in udevs initrscript16:11
ogracomment that part out16:12
ograrebuild the initramfs and try again16:12
ograalso you should install bootchart to get a clearer view of whats happening16:12
ogra(it will create a png in /var/log/bootchart/ after booting)16:13
ian_brasilogra: dude, you rock.... boot before was 1m 30s and it is now 55s !16:27
ogra;)16:27
ograian_brasil, but have a close look at your HW ... dropping the udevsettle can cause races ... for i.e. alsa modules, so i'd suggest to test everything 16:28
ograits a safetynet to make sure it works everywhere but usually to slow HW isnt the issue with it ... rather the opposite (booting to fast for HW to show up)16:29
nxvlgood morning!16:40
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Mocis there an image for Asus EEE 701 ?18:41
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