[11:05] <ogra-Q1> /join #ubuntu-devel
[11:06] <ogra> hmm
[11:06] <ogra> seems empathy doesnt let you use IRC commands in IRC or i'm to silly to use it
[11:17]  * ogra-Q1 tries again
[11:17] <ogra-Q1> /join #ubuntu-motu
[11:17] <ogra-Q1> now thats just silly
[11:18] <ogra-Q1> /msg ogra hello
[11:18]  * ogra-Q1 shakes his head
[11:19] <ogra-Q1> why the heck do they make /me work but ignore all other IRC commands 
[11:19] <ogra-Q1> /msg nickserv moo
[11:19] <ogra-Q1> heh
[11:21]  * ogra-Q1 considers empathy a security risk that way and uninstalls it
[11:24] <guruz> lol
[11:24] <ogra> its insane ....
[11:24] <ogra> they should at least keep /msg working
[11:25] <ogra> if people dont want to identify right away they will surely run into showing their pw publically
[11:25] <davmor2> ogra it does but only on msg page
[11:25] <StevenK> ogra: "Fun"
[11:25] <ogra> davmor2, would you expect that ?
[11:26] <ogra> (without reading the docs i mean)
[11:26] <ogra> i know a lot of overcautious people that dont save their PW in the app and use /msg nickserv blah
[11:26] <davmor2> nope but I'm using empathy on my main system as the memory leak on pidgin kept killing it's performance :)
[11:27] <ogra> well, i use xchat for IRC anyway, but my task this week is to revie IM apps for mobile ... empaty just failed the test with that issue ...
[11:28] <ogra> its oterwise not worse than pidgin 
[11:28] <ogra> (i wonder though why they picked gossip as their UI base)
[11:29] <davmor2> ogra: it was the default gnome one and they wanted to reuse existing code rather than create another new one
[11:29] <ogra> well, the pidgin UI is likely more used 
[11:29]  * ogra didnt know gossip was default in gnome2
[11:48] <davmor2> ogra: to be fair when it is done right it works quite well but I got to admit that not using all the protocols is bloody annoying :)
[11:48] <ogra> its on a good path, but still not where it shoud be for being mainstream
[11:49] <davmor2> ogra: try some of the other protocols they make a lot more sense :)
[11:50] <davmor2> and the smileys look ugly I think :)
[11:50] <ogra> if i only could remember my jabber account data
[11:50] <StevenK> ogra: You and me both
[11:55] <ogra> raaah ... i would just like to close my window but need to approve 1 mio contacts first 
[14:12] <persia> ogra: ubuntu-mobile-default-settings reviewed.  Adda second ACK, archive, and push at your leisure.
[14:13] <ogra> you mean i should ACK myself
[14:13] <ogra> ?
[14:13] <ogra> fun
[14:15] <persia> Yep.  Good to have a record of two ACKs, and I don't want to run dput :)
[14:15] <persia> Just remember to archive after you ACK, and then dput.
[14:15] <ogra> archived
[14:17]  * ogra ponders if a ubuntu-mobile-artwork is worth a separate package for a single gtkrc file (actually two changes to the NewHuman gtkrc)
[14:35] <persia> ogra: Just stuff it in -default-settings (but now you have to wait for NEW)
[14:36] <ogra> yeah, doesnt matter 
[14:36] <ogra> artwork deadline is still a month out :)
[15:18] <ian_brasil> hi...is there some way to stop hardware detection on every boot?
[15:20] <persia> ian_brasil: You could hardcode module loading.
[15:21] <ogra> and blacklist the unwanted ones ... but thats a good bunch of work
[15:21] <ogra> (i hope to write some scripts for intrepid+1 to improve bootspeed )
[15:28] <ian_brasil> how do i hardcode the modules?
[15:29] <ogra> put them into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run sudo update-initamfs -u
[15:30] <ogra> that forcefully loads them after initramfs is unpackaed
[15:31] <ian_brasil> nice!
[15:31] <ian_brasil> and change /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ?
[15:32] <ogra> no
[15:32] <ogra> just add them in the modules file
[15:33] <ian_brasil> understood
[15:34] <ogra> the file is looped by the load_modules function from /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init
[15:35] <ogra> (which is the actual init used by initramfs
[15:35] <ogra> )
[15:44] <ian_brasil> but what if MODULES still has the value 'most' in the .conf...will it try to pull modules which are not necessary?
[15:46] <ogra> tats about what modules are copied into the initramfs, not about which ones are probed
[15:48] <shishirm1> has any tried installed clutter on ubuntu 8.04 or ubuntu netbook remix apps??
[15:49] <ian_brasil> and to stop a probe on every boot?
[15:49] <ogra> for that you need to hack up udev
[15:50] <ogra> (udev needs to probe to create the necessary devcies)
[15:50] <StevenK> shishirm1: Clutter is already installed for UNR
[15:51] <shishirm1> unr??
[15:51] <StevenK> Ubuntu Netbook Remix
[15:51] <shishirm1> ya 
[15:52] <shishirm1> i tried that without ume launcher
[15:52] <shishirm1> so i couldn work with it
[15:52] <shishirm1> i have a khojinsha sh series notebook
[15:52] <shishirm1> and it runs intel atom processor
[15:53] <shishirm1> can i use ume launcher?
[15:53]  * ian_brasil is not looking forward to hacking udev
[15:54] <shishirm1> a110 the specific model
[15:54] <ian_brasil> so the quickest way to speed up boot is through a custom kernel?
[15:54] <shishirm1> i tried ume on it the touch screen an stuf weren good
[15:55] <shishirm1> http://www.hclleaptops.in/mileap/product2.asp here is the link of my laptop
[15:55] <shishirm1> if u can please help me get a touch screen frndly interface on my installed ubuntu 8.04 desktop edition
[15:58] <ogra> ian_brasil, what would you gain with a custom kernel (apart from having to hack up udev even more)
[15:58] <ogra> its all about modules
[16:11] <ian_brasil> ogra: udev takes around 30s on our test machine (geode with a 500 mhz processor)
[16:11] <ogra> look for the udevsettle command in udevs initrscript
[16:12] <ogra> comment that part out
[16:12] <ogra> rebuild the initramfs and try again
[16:12] <ogra> also you should install bootchart to get a clearer view of whats happening
[16:13] <ogra> (it will create a png in /var/log/bootchart/ after booting)
[16:27] <ian_brasil> ogra: dude, you rock.... boot before was 1m 30s and it is now 55s !
[16:27] <ogra> ;)
[16:28] <ogra> ian_brasil, but have a close look at your HW ... dropping the udevsettle can cause races ... for i.e. alsa modules, so i'd suggest to test everything 
[16:29] <ogra> its a safetynet to make sure it works everywhere but usually to slow HW isnt the issue with it ... rather the opposite (booting to fast for HW to show up)
[16:40] <nxvl> good morning!
[18:41] <Moc> is there an image for Asus EEE 701 ?