[00:29] <mok0> ZZzzzzz
[01:31] <tbielawa> hello ubuntuers
[01:40] <bdrung> where do i find legal experts?
[01:51] <bdrung> which package does have multiple licenses and is good as example for this?
[02:06] <nxvl> bdrung: define "this"
[02:07] <bdrung> nxvl: i want a package that is a good example for a package that has more than one license listed in debian/copyright
[02:08] <nxvl> bdrung: augeas
[02:08] <nxvl> :D
[02:08] <nxvl> it's a copyright nightmare
[02:09] <bdrung> nxvl: i am packaging a software wich contains other software with other licenses in subdirectories.
[02:09] <bdrung> nxvl: yes and i hate those legal issues.
[02:11] <nxvl> bdrung: yep augeas is what you are looking for
[02:12] <bdrung> nxvl: thx
[02:15] <tgm4883_laptop> i've created a setup.py for a program i'm packaging and made the the Mythbuntu team the maintainer.  I've sent setup.py upstream, but what should the maintainer be listed as upstream, or should it be removed altogether?
[02:20] <bdrung> what does lintian mean with copyright-lists-upstream-authors-with-dh_make-boilerplate?
[02:20] <bdrung> oh, google helped
[02:20] <nxvl> run lintian -i
[02:20] <nxvl> it will tell you more about it
[02:20] <nxvl> dunno
[02:21] <nxvl> (and the solution)
[02:21] <bdrung> thx for the -i tip
[02:21] <nxvl> :D
[02:28] <mneptok> nxvl: you? a MOTU? the gods have died. :P
[02:36] <bdrung> bug #250506 has now 23 duplicates.
[02:38] <nxvl> mneptok: gringo loco!
[02:39] <nxvl> mneptok: yes now i've unlimited root in your machine
[02:39] <nxvl> muahahaha
[02:39]  * ajmitch makes sure not to install any packages nxvl has touched
[02:40] <mneptok> nxvl: be careful what you wish for.
[02:40] <nxvl> heh
[02:40] <nxvl> :P
[02:40] <mneptok> nxvl: "i have root on your machine" is almost like saying, "i can use the water fountain at the leper colony!"
[02:41] <nxvl> heh
[02:41] <nxvl> yeah, one time a read someone saying "i wouldn't give him unlimited root on my machine" refering to motuship
[02:41] <nxvl> and i liked the quote
[02:41] <jml> :)
[02:42] <mneptok> wonder if that works talking about romantic partners.
[02:42] <mneptok> "Nice eyes, but I wouldn;t give her root on my machine, if you know what I mean ..."
[02:42]  * ajmitch should just go back to windows, to be safe
[02:43] <mneptok> ajmitch: it hurts to parse that sentence
[02:43] <nxvl> mneptok: that would be SO nerd
[02:43] <ajmitch> mneptok: why so, good sir?
[02:44] <mneptok> go back to Windows.
[02:44] <mneptok> to be *safe*
[02:44] <mneptok> oh, the pain of unbridled, unapologetic irony
[02:46] <ajmitch> spyware & trojans on one side, MOTUs on the other
[02:46] <ajmitch> which would you pick?
[02:46] <nxvl> MOTUs are cool
[02:46] <nxvl> and you can check the code
[02:46] <nxvl> but not for spywares & trojans
[02:46] <cody-somerville> and some, such as myself, are devilishly good looking
[02:47] <ajmitch> see, he admits to being a devil
[02:47] <ajmitch> shocking admissions
[02:47]  * ajmitch blogs it for the world to know
[02:47] <nxvl> we are nerds, what can you expect?
[02:47] <bdrung> ajmitch: do not trust motus and do come nearer than 100 m to Windows. :D
[02:47] <ajmitch> nxvl: a healthy lack of sanity
[02:47] <nxvl> you are asking to much
[02:47] <nxvl> :D
[02:48]  * cody-somerville agrees.
[02:48]  * StevenK tries to determine the age of a file without resorting to find
[02:48] <cody-somerville> I haven't been sane since 1996
[02:48] <nxvl> ajmitch: you don't know mneptok, don't you?
[02:48] <nxvl> in person i mean
[02:48] <bdrung> do not trust motus and do NOT come nearer than 100 m to Windows.
[02:48] <bdrung> i am too tired.
[02:49] <ajmitch> nxvl: I have met him a couple of times
[02:49]  * StevenK is sitting about 2 metres away from a window
[02:49] <nxvl> ajmitch: and you ask for sanity?
[02:49] <ajmitch> read what I wrote above
[02:49] <bdrung> StevenK: the s makes a different
[02:49]  * ajmitch is sitting a few metres from some windows
[02:50] <cody-somerville> More importantly, do not attempt to prove or disprove your windows are unbreakable
[02:50] <cody-somerville> Especially if you're a few floors up
[02:50] <ajmitch> they are made of safety glass
[02:50] <cody-somerville> You've never heard of the guy who said the same thing and then one day it actually broke and he fell to his death
[02:50] <bdrung> "in a world without walls and fences, who needs Gates and Windows?"
[02:51] <bdrung> maybe its better to be dead instead of suffering using Windows.
[02:52] <bdrung> but the name Windows is a bit paradox. windows are usually transparent.
[02:52] <bdrung> you can look through and see whats inside
[02:57] <cody-somerville> but can you really?
[02:58] <bdrung> my hardware window is transparent. if i look through it i can see the sky outside.
[02:58] <bdrung> but maybe i am in a matrix.
[03:00] <bdrung> how do i fix a debian-changelog-file-is-a-symlink? i am using cdbs. the source package is splittet to two binary package: x and x-data. the doc files of x are symlinked to the x-data doc files.
[03:01] <nxvl> lintian is your friend
[03:01] <nxvl> -i will tell you
[03:01] <ScottK-laptop> bdrung: You can ignore it.  That's because of an Ubuntu unique change to CDBS.
[03:02] <nxvl> or you can file a bug against cdbs
[03:02] <StevenK> There is a reason it's done that way.
[03:02] <StevenK> And it can be turned off, if you read the code
[03:03] <nxvl> StevenK: someone made a mistake?
[03:03] <bdrung> which code? lintian?
[03:03] <StevenK> nxvl: Why do you assume symlinking files is a mistake
[03:04] <StevenK> bdrung: No, CDBS
[03:05] <nxvl> StevenK: dunno, just makeing bad jokes about it, i haven't look closer to it
[03:05] <StevenK> nxvl: It's done to save space on the CD, where space is at a premium.
[03:08] <bdrung> to fix the lintian warning i can symlink the whole directory.
[03:08] <bdrung> but i have no clue how to implement this in debian/rules
[03:08] <nxvl> oh
[03:09] <bdrung> fyi i am talking about bug 131538
[03:54] <NCommander> *sigh*
[03:54] <NCommander> I think my laptop is developing a personality
[03:54] <NCommander> The last two times I've opened up my music collection, its started playing "Stay Alive" as the first track
[03:59] <bdrung> NCommander: create a lp-account for your laptop and ask him/her/it for helping to make ubuntu better. :D
[04:00] <NCommander> Great, then we can have a cake and grief theory package in Ubuntu ;-)
[05:42] <dholbach> good morning
[06:49] <dholbach> it's just amazing how many people are submitting their patches / packages to the sponsoring queue
[06:49] <dholbach> it's a lot of stuff coming in
[06:49] <nxvl> and lot of work for us
[06:49] <nxvl> :D
[06:49] <nxvl> also in revu
[06:49]  * dholbach just reviewed a bunch of them
[06:49] <nxvl> i've never seen a bigger revu queue
[06:50]  * nxvl is reviewing a revu package
[06:50] <dholbach> look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-universe-sponsors/
[06:50] <dholbach> it speaks volumes
[06:50] <nxvl> there is a list
[06:50]  * nxvl suscribes
[06:50] <dholbach> 311K of mails this month
[06:50] <dholbach> highest ever
[06:51] <dholbach> and it's just the 26th :)
[06:51] <nxvl> dholbach: i think the videos are making effect
[06:51] <dholbach> that could well be
[06:52] <dholbach> I'd be happy if that's the case :)
[06:52] <nxvl> :D
[06:55] <nxvl> dholbach: for sponsoring a REVU package i just need to do a normal sponsorship, don't i?
[06:55] <nxvl> dholbach: or i need to do something special for it to be in NEW?
[06:56] <nxvl> dholbach: btw, good morning!
[06:56] <tuxmaniac> hi folks. I am working on bug 260158. As I found out that the reason for the build failure is the use of deprecated macro by the upstream. It builds clean on Debian unstable becasue gtk version there seems to be 2.12 still. But intrepid already has 2.13
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning nxvl
[06:56] <dholbach> nxvl: once it has two ACKs you can just upload it
[06:56] <dholbach> be sure to bounce the "accepted" mail to the motu mailing list
[06:57] <nxvl> :D
[06:57] <tuxmaniac> slytherin told me that by changing some flag for using Depercated symbols in intrepid this could be solved. ANyone has furhter inputs or links would be very helpful
[06:57] <nxvl> i will as soon as i get it
[06:58] <wgrant> dholbach: Isn't it a more common practice to bounce the NEW one, rather than ACCEPTED?
[06:58] <nxvl> tuxmaniac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags
[06:58] <nxvl> tuxmaniac: that might help
[06:58] <nxvl> tuxmaniac: not sure it will, but it may
[06:59] <tuxmaniac> thanks. let me check.
[06:59] <dholbach> wgrant: excusez-moi - that's what I meant
[06:59] <nxvl> :D
[06:59] <nxvl> well, going to sleep now
[06:59] <nxvl> read you later
[06:59] <dholbach> sleep tight nxvl
[06:59] <nxvl> i will forward the NEW mail in the morning
[07:00] <nxvl> dholbach: thank you! have a nice day
[07:00] <RAOF> tuxmaniac: It's likely that something's defining GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED; you should find out what, and stop it.
[07:35]  * apachelogger stumbles in 
[07:35] <tuxmaniac> RAOF: thanks found the file. it was right there in the parent directory. once i commented out that macro definition, it builds fine on intrepid
[07:36] <apachelogger> is an almighty REVU admin around?
[07:36] <tuxmaniac> now for creating a dpatch, mail the upstream and then look out for sponsors. one FTBFS gone! :-)
[07:51] <sdh> problems with security.ubuntu.com port 80 ?
[07:55] <dholbach> who would be interested to give a session about "working with debian" together with siretart?
[07:56] <dholbach> we had a session about it at last Ubuntu Developer Week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0802/Debian - I'm sure that'd help preparing such a sesion
[07:56] <dholbach> session
[08:27] <apachelogger> siretart, ajmitch, raphink, RainCT: please take a look at the issue on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-kde4
[08:32] <StevenK> Looks like it failed to unpack, and that's fallout
[08:36] <wgrant> Looks more like somebody got a string slice wrong.
[08:36] <wgrant> The a was amputated for some reason.
[08:36] <abogani> Anyone could review my two new packages (linux-meta-rt and linux-rt) on REVU?
[08:36] <wgrant> Erm, that sounds a bit odd.
[08:37] <wgrant> Isn't that likely to be almost identical to the kernel packages?
[08:37] <wgrant> So shouldn't it go through kernel people who are likely to know what to look for in their ridiculously complicated packaging?
[08:38] <abogani> wgrant: Identical. I have disabled *.udeb generation (for Debian-installer).
[08:39] <wgrant> It sounds like a very bad idea to have a duplicated kernel source.
[08:39] <abogani> wgrant: They (Ubuntu Kernel Team) say me to push -rt kernel into Universe through REVU with help of MOTUs.
[08:39] <abogani> wgrant: We have 2.6.25 also (for ports). :-)
[08:40] <StevenK> Surely you want to Build-Depend on the linux-source package, and use your config
[08:40] <wgrant> Oh, that is just absolutely lovely.
[08:41] <abogani> Please look as the size of the package: it works in that way.
[08:41] <abogani> Only config and rt patchset in the package.
[08:41] <wgrant> I'm not sure how that's relevant to me not liking the idea of having duplication and older kernels in universe.
[08:42] <StevenK> I don't like the idea much either
[08:42] <StevenK> 2.6.27 just entered Intrepid, for example
[08:42] <wgrant> Oh, so that'd be three versions?
[08:42] <StevenK> Yes :-(
[08:43] <wgrant> Please, no.
[09:12] <didrocks> hi o/
[09:12] <dholbach> hi didrocks! are you still up for running a session with huats?
[09:13] <didrocks> hi dholbach ! Yes, I will talk to huats when its network issues will be fixed
[09:14] <dholbach> great
[09:14] <dholbach> thanks didrocks
[09:14] <didrocks> you're really welcome. We will keep you in touch :)
[09:15] <dholbach> gracias mes amis!
[09:16] <didrocks> merci mein Freund ^^
[09:17] <dholbach> :-)
[09:18] <huats> morning everyone
[09:18] <dholbach> hi huats
[09:19] <huats> hey dholbach
[09:19] <huats> how are you ?
[09:20] <dholbach> good - how 'bout you?
[09:20] <dholbach> I was just talking to didrocks about your planned UDW session
[09:20] <huats> great too
[09:20] <huats> :)
[09:20] <huats> oh
[09:20] <dholbach> do you think you guys can add your session https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep ? :)
[09:20] <huats> we have skipped talking about that yesterday
[09:20] <huats> we will right now
[09:20] <dholbach> I'd like to announce it soon, so I'm chasing up a few speakers and the slots will soon be taken
[09:20] <huats> and add ourself there...
[09:21] <huats> sure
[09:21] <dholbach> rock
[09:21] <huats> :)
[09:21] <huats> dholbach: sicne I am talking to you
[09:21] <huats> I have fixed lots of stuffs in pywebkitgtk
[09:21] <huats> james_w: was happy with it
[09:21] <dholbach> you think it's good to go now?
[09:22] <huats> yes I think
[09:22] <dholbach> I'll check it out later
[09:22] <huats> so I went to chase a few ack yesterday evening :)
[09:22] <dholbach> hehe
[09:22] <huats> at the UDS you mentionned that I should talk with asac about that one, so I did
[09:22] <huats> he gave his +1
[09:22] <dholbach> NICE
[09:23] <dholbach> I'll just try to fix something in harvest and check it out afterwards
[09:23] <huats> and also nxvl did review too... but I'd like you to check it out if you can...
[09:23] <huats> ok great :)
[09:23] <dholbach> alright-y
[09:23] <huats> thanks daniel
[09:24] <DktrKranz> If you're bored, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=uus-pre-ff-810 has something interesting to do ;)
[09:24]  * dholbach reviewed a bunch of sponsoring items this morning
[09:25] <dholbach> DktrKranz: I found out that this is the month with the most activity on the uus list
[09:25] <DktrKranz> \o/
[09:25] <asac> dholbach: let me know when you signed pygtkwebkit off
[09:25] <asac> dholbach: i can upload it ;)
[09:25] <dholbach> so our contributors are doing a great job
[09:25] <dholbach> asac: will do
[09:26] <flohack> Hi! I'd like to build a kernel module for my package repository which I use to install patched packages my servers. For all other packages I use pbuilder. Is there a way to build a kernel module using pbuilder?
[09:27] <huats> morning asac
[09:27] <huats> :)
[09:27] <DktrKranz> dholbach: if we can review/upload these before FF, it would be great. I processed some during weekend, I'll probably have some this evening, but we're going fast and should fix most of them in time
[09:27] <asac> hi huats
[09:27] <dholbach> DktrKranz: I'll make them a priority - thanks for triaging them
[09:28] <DktrKranz> my pleasure. I'll do another queue scan to see if there are some missing bugs and tag them accordingly, just to give them a chance
[09:29] <dholbach> DktrKranz: do you think it'd make sense to mail ubuntu-devel@ about them to get another few sponsors involved?
[09:32] <DktrKranz> I sent an announcment on ubuntu-motu friday, I'm not sure more sponsors will come if we send it to ubuntu-devel as well, but can be worth trying
[09:33] <huats> DktrKranz: or dholbach if by any chance you have some time left : http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=tktreectrl
[09:33] <huats> (I already have a +1 in the comments by pitti, and almost the second one by norsetto who is on holidays...)
[09:34] <dholbach> DktrKranz: gracias!
[09:37] <DktrKranz> huats: I'm not a tcl/tk expert, so I'm not a valid reviewer here, but I could have a look this evening. If you're around, ping :)
[09:37] <huats> :)
[09:37] <huats> ok thanks DktrKranz :)
[09:37] <huats> but don't worry
[09:38] <huats> I'll try to find a review before that to get the remaining +1 :)
[09:38] <huats> thanks a lot anyway :)
[09:38] <DktrKranz> if you find someone with a good tcl knowledge, it would be great
[09:39] <huats> that is the hard part..
[09:39] <flohack> Could someone please point me to some documentation about building a kernel module package on a development machine (to be installed on another machine with a different kernel)?
[09:39]  * DktrKranz needs to learn tcl/tk packaging a bit
[09:39] <huats> pitti has some (he has already packaged some) so his +1 is important to me :)
[09:40] <huats> DktrKranz: you can look at this package if you want :)
[09:40] <DktrKranz> I'm curious to see if Debian has some policy in place
[09:40] <huats> DktrKranz: there is
[09:41] <DktrKranz> huats: have you some references to it?
[09:41] <DktrKranz> so I can look at it and learn :)
[09:41] <geser> huats: I just gave a quick look at tktreectrl: if you rename the manpage from .n to .3tcl should you move it also from mann to man3?
[09:41] <Iulian> G'morning.
[09:42] <DktrKranz> oh... this one maybe? http://pkg-tcltk.alioth.debian.org/tcltk-policy.html/
[09:42] <huats> geser: it is done by dh_installmanpages I think
[09:42] <huats> (well in that case it is :))
[09:42] <huats> DktrKranz: yes it is
[09:43] <huats> or dh_installman
[09:43] <huats> :)
[09:47] <huats> geser: isn't the case for you ?
[09:48] <geser> huats: it is now. I just looked at the debian/rules file but did a test-build now too.
[09:48] <huats> :)
[10:46] <flohack> Could someone please point me to some documentation about building a kernel module package on a development machine (to be installed on another machine with a different kernel)?
[10:47] <slytherin> flohack: I don't think a module compiled for a particular kernel will always be compatible with other kernel.
[10:48] <henrik-kabelkaos> personally i'm a big fan of DKMS
[10:48] <directhex> it's a nice evolution of the module-assistant principle
[10:49] <broonie> slytherin: It won't be but it doesn't matter about the running kernel, only the kernel headers you point it at.
[10:59] <henrik-kabelkaos> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6896
[11:08] <abogani> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/DkmsDriverPackage  and http://video.ubuntu.com/development/packaging-kernel-modules-with-dkms.ogg
[11:09] <flohack> slytherin: That's not a requirement, it's fine if I have to recompile and module whenever a kernel upgrade comes in
[11:09] <flohack> slytherin: I just need to compile it for a specific kernel version ( the one running on the server )
[11:15] <flohack> broonie: Can I tell m-a to compile the module against a specific kernel-headers package
[11:16] <broonie> flohack: YYes.
[11:16] <broonie> flohack: IIRC you're looking for the -l option
[11:17] <flohack> broonie: Thanks, that was what I was looking for.
[11:21] <devfil> http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox
[11:21] <devfil> uhm sorry for the link
[11:22] <devfil> firefox do automatic copy-paste
[11:22] <laga> huh
[11:22] <laga> stop reading my mail!
[11:22] <devfil> laga: lol
[11:24] <devfil> Someone know why REVU doesn't work with gtk-kde4 package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-kde4
[11:25] <jscinoz> so...
[11:25] <jscinoz> revu broke?
[11:26] <jscinoz> or is it just me
[11:26] <devfil> only kde-gtk4
[11:26] <flohack> henrik-kabelkaos: Can DKMS be used on Hardy with the supported kernel?
[11:30] <henrik-kabelkaos> flohack: yes. i use it for the vhba-dkms package.
[11:35] <henrik-kabelkaos> flohack: basically the package just copies the sources+dkms.conf to /usr/local/src/yourpackage-version/ and the postinst script calls dkms to install the module for your running kernel. (it also installs hooks to auto-install for new kernels)
[12:31] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[12:32] <Iulian> Hello sistpoty
[12:32] <sistpoty|work> hi Iulian
[12:40] <james_w> could someone with a bit of perl knowledge check my work here please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/40644/
[12:40] <StevenK> james_w: Ew!
[12:41] <james_w> :-)
[12:41] <StevenK> james_w: Where did you learn Perl? :-P
[12:41] <StevenK> james_w: Use backreferenes, for the love of all that is good.
[12:42] <james_w> the regexes aren't mine, they are cribbed from dpkg
[12:42] <StevenK> james_w: Which is why they read like crap
[12:44] <StevenK> james_w: Okay, so essentially, you want to read $message and grab Bug #[\d]* and LP #[\d]*
[12:44] <StevenK> ?
[12:44] <james_w> actually I can probably use the dpkg ones
[12:44] <james_w> they are in a library after all
[12:44] <siretart> james_w: perhaps you can at least add a source code reference as comment, if you want them guaranteed to be in sync
[12:44] <StevenK> james_w: You probably can, but my suggestion is to in this case you want to use backreferences so you can push(@debian_closes, $1);
[12:45] <siretart> StevenK: note that a Closes: statement can reference several bug numbers, and each of them must be closed individually
[12:45] <StevenK> Er, yes.
[12:45] <StevenK> I don't think the code handles that ..
[12:46] <StevenK> Nope, it doesn't
[12:47] <Yaitanes> hello, I wanted to know if it was possible to add a new package in the officials depositories for the current version of ubuntu, or if the new packages only appear for new releases of ubuntu
[12:48] <ScottK-laptop> Yaitanes: Only for new releases, but once it's in the new release, it can generallly be backported to the current release.
[12:48] <Yaitanes> in fact, I've developped a program (http://launchpad.net/gconjugo), and I wish to add it, whereas it's not finished
[12:51] <StevenK> ScottK-laptop: You looked involved with the Phusion Passenger discusson on UUS, can you remind me what happened with it?
[12:51] <ScottK-laptop> StevenK: I have no idea.  Is there a bug I can look at to refresh my old, worn out memory?
[12:52] <james_w> StevenK: any more palatable? http://paste.ubuntu.com/40648/
[12:53] <StevenK> james_w: A little. Your foreaches are not Perl-ish :-P
[12:53] <james_w> StevenK: what's the idiom?
[12:53] <Yaitanes> ScottK-laptop: so after the 28th, it would be possible to add a package in intrepid+1, and to backport it easily?
[12:54] <StevenK> james_w: I can remember the Python idiom, which is map, I don't think that's the Perl-y one
[12:54] <ScottK-laptop> Yaitanes: As long as the package doesn't require any other packages not in Intrepid, yes.
[12:54] <StevenK> Oh yeah, map is it
[12:55] <Yaitanes> ScottK-laptop: ok thanks
[12:56] <StevenK> ScottK-laptop: Bug 246719
[12:56]  * ScottK-laptop looks
[12:57] <ScottK-laptop> StevenK: No.  I kvetched a lot about Rails not respecting the packaging system on devel-discuss, but beyond that, I don't think so.
[12:58] <StevenK> That's just Rails developers being "OMG <x> is 2 minor releases behind!! Sky falling!! Must have gems!!"
[12:59] <ScottK-laptop> Right, I so don't want whatever they feel like shoving into their gem coming ahead of the installed stuff in the system path.
[13:00] <james_w> StevenK: thanks, uses map now.
[13:00] <StevenK> ScottK-laptop: Agreed
[13:00] <StevenK> james_w: Share? :-)
[13:01] <james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40650/
[13:02] <StevenK> james_w: Looks good to me
[13:02] <james_w> thanks
[13:02] <huats> hello james_w and ScottK
[13:02] <james_w> hey huats
[13:03] <ScottK> Hello huats
[13:04]  * StevenK mumbles
[13:05] <StevenK> Oh, *ew*
[13:05] <StevenK> ScottK-laptop: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/passenger-0808222010/passenger-2.0.3/debian/postinst
[13:06]  * soren cringes
[13:06] <ScottK-laptop> Ouch.
[13:07] <RainCT> argh
[13:07] <StevenK> Heh
[13:07] <StevenK> And no one mentioned that on REVU
[13:08] <StevenK> I'd really really like Passenger in Intrepid, but ...
[13:09] <wgrant> Urrrrrrrgh.
[13:10] <laga> yeah, that should definitely be a debconf warning
[13:10] <wgrant> No, that should definitely be immediate rejection.
[13:10] <StevenK> What wgrant said
[13:10] <laga> heh, j/k ;)
[13:10] <StevenK> Packages don't subvert the packaging system upon install
[13:11] <wgrant> Or if they do, we remove them.
[13:11] <ScottK-laptop> But it's for RoR, so surely it's OK.
[13:11] <wgrant> ScottK-laptop: Good point.
[13:11] <wgrant> RoR seems to like ignoring it otherwise.
[13:11]  * StevenK sobs, and ponders killing some kittens. Cute ones.
[13:12]  * wgrant restrains StevenK, and sends him after some Rails developers instead.
[13:13] <StevenK> Oh, I know why. debian/ is in the upstream tarball
[13:13] <StevenK> Which is just as bad
[13:13]  * wgrant chokes.
[13:13] <soren> I'm wondering if that postinst ever makes its way into any debs.
[13:13] <StevenK> soren: Reading the .diff.gz, it may not
[13:14]  * soren test-builds
[13:14] <StevenK> However, any source shipping that file would get REJECTed very quickly
[13:14] <StevenK> (I daresay)
[13:14] <wgrant> I hope.
[13:17] <StevenK> I think lintian should pick up on that
[13:17] <StevenK> "You have an .orig.tar.gz and debian/ inside it, you bozo"
[13:18] <wgrant> StevenK: Maybe an implicit shutdown as well.
[13:19] <StevenK> wgrant: And 'rm -rf /' if they say no to installing fastthread from gems
[13:20] <soren> or yes.
[13:20] <StevenK> Haha
[13:23] <wgrant> Do we know if that is the real postinst yet?
[13:23] <StevenK> soren was test building it
[13:24] <wgrant> Brave.
[13:25] <tuxmaniac> Hi everybody. Good evening. I would like to put forward review/sponsor request for bug 260158. Thanks in advance
[13:26] <StevenK> I have this feeling the first three lines in .install aren't needed either
[13:28] <StevenK> After reviewing that package, I need a strong drink.
[13:29] <soren> wgrant, StevenK: I was, but I gave up. The rubygems dependency couldn't be fulfilled, and I don't want a bunch of ruby crap installed on my system just so that I can dpkg-buildpackage -S.
[13:30] <StevenK> soren, wgrant: Note on REVU: "Note: depends upon the RubyGems package in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ruby/+archive which provides the default ’rubygems’ package missing in the main archive version."
[13:30] <StevenK> Which is bad too :-/
[13:31] <tuxmaniac> is there a way to list out those source packages which belong to Category "Electronics" or such in Harvest? Just like appending pkg=gedit for specific package?
[13:31] <soren> StevenK: Ah. Well, there's not way I'm adding that to my sbuild chroot.
[13:32]  * soren deletes $HOME/src/horror-show again
[13:32] <StevenK> Haha
[13:32] <lucas> fastthread is useless. it's just FUD.
[13:32] <wgrant> soren: Might shred be more safe?
[13:33] <StevenK> A Cobalt bomb might be safer still
[13:33] <StevenK> lucas: Tell that to the RoR developers
[13:34] <lucas> they are probably aware of that, but some third-party apps developers still believe in that
[13:34] <lucas> everything that was in fasthread was merged in ruby at least one year ago
[13:34] <lucas> using fasthread now just reintroduces bugs that were fixed in ruby since then
[13:35] <wgrant> But bugs are fun.
[13:36] <siretart> only fixed bugs a re fun ones
[13:39] <lucas> about ruby/fastthread: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472702
[13:39] <lucas> conclusion is:
[13:39] <lucas> He said that Ruby 1.8.6 p110 was merged (backport) with fastthread, and that the
[13:39] <lucas> current situation is opposite. fastthread 1.0.1 does not yet fix an issue that
[13:39] <lucas> Ruby 1.8.6 p110 has fixed. You should not use fastthread 1.0.1 with Ruby 1.8.6
[13:39] <lucas> p110 or later.
[13:43] <StevenK> ruby1.8 | 1.8.6.111-2ubuntu1.1 | hardy-security | source, amd64, i386
[13:44] <laszlok> dholbach: ping
[13:45] <dholbach> laszlok: pong
[13:45] <jpds> Laney: Sure. Fire away and link me.
[13:46] <Laney> jpds: Hm?
[13:46] <jpds> Laney: semantik.
[13:46] <Laney> jpds: Oh right. I put them on the bug
[13:46] <laszlok> dholbach: we've done a jokosher release and we were wondering if there is time to get an updated package in intrepid
[13:47] <dholbach> laszlok: absolutely
[13:47] <dholbach> laszlok: I'll take a look at it later
[13:47] <dholbach> laszlok: thanks for the headsup
[13:47] <dholbach> laszlok: when are you doing regular releases? :-)
[13:47]  * dholbach hugs laszlok :)
[13:48] <laszlok> dholbach: 0.10 tarball and bzr branch is on launchpad *hugs*
[13:48] <laszlok> yeah we have moved to bazaar and are attempting the time-based release with trunk always in a releasable state :)
[13:48] <laszlok> so there should be one before each ubuntu release, maybe more often
[13:49] <dholbach> laszlok: you should get into the GNOME release cycle :)
[13:49] <Syntux> Ubuntu-Arabic is planning to start translating MOTU docs, do we have to coordinate with -doc or -motu or we don't have to do that but keep one of them updated?
[13:49] <Syntux> and btw, Good day :-)
[13:49] <dholbach> laszlok: anyway, I'll let you know about it
[13:49] <jpds> Laney: OK; thanks.
[13:50] <Laney> np
[13:50] <dholbach> thanks didrocks and huats
[13:50] <dholbach> you guys ROCK
[13:50] <Laney> I'll be back after 5.30 if there's any probs
[13:50] <huats> :)
[13:51] <dholbach> Syntux: nice... which documents are you targetting?
[13:53] <Syntux> dholbach, Wiki Resources  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Lists/DocumentationResources as a start
[13:55] <dholbach> Syntux: isn't there some wiki magic where you can automatically redirect to some WikiPageAr page if the user uses an arabic locale?
[13:55] <dholbach> I thought there was
[13:55] <dholbach> Syntux: if you'd translate the PackagingGuide that'd be fantastic
[13:56] <Syntux> dholbach, I'm not sure, we'll have to consult LP guys
[13:56] <dholbach> the LP folks shouldn't be necessary as far as I know - hang on
[13:56] <Syntux> dholbach, that's the plan but I'm afraid of some extra headache to the community if some people became interested in becoming MOTU but they are not good enough in English to hang in this channel or over the mailing list.
[13:57] <Syntux> dholbach, preferred language stored in user's lp account.
[13:57] <dholbach> Syntux: please tell them not to worry - we're very happy to receive questions and to improve the guide if it makes no sense and is too hard to understand
[13:57] <dholbach> Syntux: in fact we're happy to get that kind of feedback
[13:57] <didrocks> dholbach: :)
[13:58] <Syntux> dholbach, it's not just about the feedback, it's about language skills that either help or not to dive into the MOTU community.
[14:00] <Syntux> anyway, lets hope for the best :d
[14:00] <dholbach> Syntux: unfortunately my arabic is nearly non-existent, so I can't really help you with that - I think I can still guess 50% of the arabic letters right ;-)
[14:01] <dholbach> Syntux: if you're attempting to translate the Packaging Guide as a team - that'd be excellent, the only thing that might work is: ask in the arabic team for help if somebody's unsure with the translation
[14:02] <dholbach> Syntux: if it's about understanding packaging or MOTU processes we're happy to get questions
[14:02] <Syntux> dandy :-)
[14:03] <RainCT> dholbach: if I understand him correctly the problem is not translating the guide, but helping people who don't know English with their packaging problems after that
[14:03] <dholbach> I was thinking about http://moinmo.in/MultipleLanguagesSupport for translating wiki docs
[14:05] <dholbach> Syntux: is what RainCT talked about the problem you're thinking about?
[14:05] <geser> RainCT: helping those people will be impossible, but the translated text might help those who know some English but prefer to read longer texts in their native language
[14:06] <Syntux> RainCT, Thank you :D
[14:06] <Syntux> dholbach, yeah ;-)
[14:07] <dholbach> if that's the problem, there's one advice I can give you: make sure that as a long-term goal for each of the new contributors it is to actively engage with the global development team
[14:08] <Syntux> dholbach, that should be a must but language skills is a must too to engage with the global team.
[14:08]  * RainCT thinks that in addition to that, writing the package description, changelog, manpages, etc. can also be a problem...   Uhm, perhaps Canonical could offer free English courses ^^   (jk)
[14:08] <dholbach> it's fine if somebody prefers to ask a question in their mother tongue at the beginning, but you don't get around working with the global team
[14:08] <RainCT> Syntux: np :)
[14:09] <jpds> Laney: semantik uploaded.
[14:09] <dholbach> Syntux: I know... getting involved is even trickier if you don't speak English
[14:09] <Laney> jpds: Nice one :D
[14:09] <Syntux> RainCT, haha that would be awesome :D
[14:10] <tuxmaniac> geser: thanks a lot for the sponsorship. I will update the maintainer field wothout forgetting the next time onwards.
[14:10] <Syntux> dholbach, anyway, we will start translating within a week, will keep you updated and lets hope for the best.
[14:10] <dholbach> Syntux: thanks a lot for that! you guys rock!
[14:11] <jpds> Laney: Thanks to you :)
[14:11] <Laney> \o/
[14:11] <Laney> Back to work :(
[14:11] <Laney> So many students with so many problems :(
[14:11]  * Laney runs
[14:11] <Syntux> dholbach,  :-)
[14:13] <coolbhavi> hello dholbach
[14:13] <dholbach> hi coolbhavi
[14:15] <bddebian> Heya gang
[14:16] <Iulian> Hi bddebian
[14:16] <bddebian> Hello Iulian
[14:16] <geser> Hi bddebian
[14:16] <jpds> hello Iulian, bddebian.
[14:16] <bddebian> Hi geser, jpds
[14:16] <Iulian> Hey jpds
[14:17] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[14:18] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty|work
[14:18] <RainCT>   /topic Welcome to the Hi channel! || New: Hugs are now freely available :)
[14:18] <bddebian> w00t :-)
[14:19] <Iulian> Hi RainCT *G*
[14:22] <dholbach> congratulations huats!
[14:23] <tuxmaniac> heya bddebian
[14:24] <bddebian> Hi tuxmaniac
[14:24] <nxvl> good morning!
[14:24] <bddebian> Hi nxvl :)
[14:24] <nxvl> dholbach: why are we contratulating huats ?
[14:25] <nxvl> bddebian: hi!
[14:25] <dholbach> nxvl: because you uploaded his package :)
[14:26] <nxvl> oh! ok
[14:26] <nxvl> huats: congratulations!
[14:26] <nxvl> :D
[14:27] <nxvl> well, just commed to say hi! Be back in a bit
[14:28] <nxvl> have a nice day
[14:28] <slytherin> Can anyone confirm that all gstreamer 0.8 packages have been removed from archive?
[14:29] <geser> slytherin: gstreamer 0.8 is long gone, but IIRC a pkg using gst 0.8 is still there
[14:29] <huats> dholbach: nxvl :)
[14:29] <huats> thanks to you guys :)
[14:30] <slytherin> geser: I was looking at FTBFS page. And there is a source package 'gst-editor' which needs 0.8 for building. SO I guess I will log bug for removal of that package.
[14:30] <DktrKranz> huats: you're lucky, nxvl forgot to ask you to pay the bill for sponsoring NEW
[14:30] <huats> :)
[14:30] <geser> slytherin: sounds good
[14:34] <slytherin> geser: any chance you can find fix for libmatthew-java FTBFS in a day or two?
[14:34] <geser> slytherin: gst-editor was already once removed but apparently forgotten to add it to sync blacklist
[14:34] <slytherin> hmm
[14:34] <james_w> nice work huats
[14:34] <geser> slytherin: certainly not as I need to prepare myself for 2 exams this week
[14:35] <geser> slytherin: unless we need a new upstream version it can still be fixed after FF
[14:35] <huats> james_w: it is thanks to you too
[14:35] <huats> ...
[14:36] <Juli_> Hi all! Can anyone take a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=libnb-platform-java please?
[14:36] <Juli_> It must be nice to be congratulated:)
[14:37] <slytherin> geser: Haven't looked if there is any upstream version. Anyway, I will see if I can find time to do it. But I wish to fix jboss-cache1 package first.
[14:39] <coolbhavi> huats, hello
[14:39] <huats> hello coolbhavi
[14:39] <geser> slytherin: if you manage to fix it, it would be cool, as it would unblock another batch of java packages
[14:42] <slytherin> geser: I will have to check latest upstream version. I hope to have it done before FF
[14:43] <BUGabundo> guys
[14:43] <BUGabundo> anyone here interested in mantaining Laconica (aka www.identi.ca) from Debian?
[14:44] <james_w> BUGabundo: I doubt it will be so much about maintaining it.
[14:44] <slytherin> geser: FYI ... logged bug 261468 for gst-editor
[14:44] <james_w> BUGabundo: having someone that tests it on Ubuntu and forwards bugs to Debian would be great
[14:45] <BUGabundo> so, can it just get fetched from upstream james_w?
[14:45] <BUGabundo> I guess most ppl will just install from DARCS
[14:45] <BUGabundo> but having a package to install depencies
[14:45] <james_w> BUGabundo: if the upstream author is maintaining it in Debian I doubt there will be much work to do in Ubuntu
[14:45] <BUGabundo> like apache, php5, openid libs etc
[14:46] <BUGabundo> evan the creator is packaging it for devian
[14:46] <BUGabundo> *debian
[14:46] <BUGabundo> but I don't know nothing about packagin
[14:46] <BUGabundo> so I'm not sure what it needs to be done in ubuntu
[14:46] <james_w> BUGabundo: but having QA by having users of it that report bugs to Debian where applicable, and asking for fixes in Ubuntu where needed would be great
[14:46] <BUGabundo> can I just post on LP and request a fecth?
[14:47] <james_w> has it hit unstable yet?
[14:47] <BUGabundo> not sure it will come before feature freeze
[14:47] <BUGabundo> I'll have to check
[14:47] <BUGabundo> evan hasn't replied me back
[14:47] <james_w> it doesn't seem to have hit NEW yet
[14:48] <BUGabundo> let me check on #laconica
[14:52] <geser> slytherin: ACKed
[14:53] <slytherin> thanks
[15:11] <coolbhavi> geser, please take a look https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scrapbook/+bug/254649
[15:11] <k0p> hi all
[15:11] <k0p> what the command to update changelog?
[15:12] <coolbhavi> k0p, dch -e or dch -i
[15:13] <k0p> coolbhavi, thanks :)
[15:24] <Hobbsee> coolbhavi: any *particular* reason you're bypassing the sponsorship queue?
[15:25] <coolbhavi> Hobbsee, yes Its working on my system and Feature Freeze is a couple of days away. If its wrong please excuse me
[15:26] <Hobbsee> coolbhavi: so, it's more important than everything else on the sponsorship queue, which is also close to feature freeze, and is presumably also working on people's systems?
[15:27] <slytherin> coolbhavi: Unless and until you have already discussed the update/merge/sync with someone here for a particular bug, I see no reason to ping people for sponsorship.
[15:27] <coolbhavi> slytherin, Okay!
[15:28]  * Hobbsee notes that some of this stuff is quite old.
[15:30]  * Hobbsee sponsors one.
[15:37] <Hobbsee> hmmm, i wonder why libdvdread got thrown back to universe...
[15:37] <orly_owl> which one actually lets you play CSS encrypted DVDs?
[15:38] <ScottK> orly_owl: None that are in the official repositories.
[15:38] <orly_owl> i know, but which one?
[15:39] <Hobbsee> libdvdcss
[15:39] <orly_owl> ok. and what do dvd rippers use?
[15:41] <slytherin> orly_owl: dvdrippers will also need libdvdcss2
[15:41]  * Hobbsee decides that this libdvdread merge really is correct...
[15:42] <slytherin> Hobbsee: libdvdread was never in main
[15:42] <slytherin> I mean libdvdread3
[15:42] <Hobbsee> slytherin: i'm fairly sure libdvdread3 was.
[15:42] <slytherin> Hobbsee: rmadison doesn't say so
[15:42] <Hobbsee> ah, back in dapper. probably in edgy too.
[15:42] <StevenK> libdvdread3 |  0.9.4-5.1 |        dapper | amd64, i386, powerpc
[15:42] <slytherin> Hobbsee: ahh, it was in dapper
[15:43] <orly_owl> are libdvdread 1 2 and 3 different versions?
[15:43] <Hobbsee> i think so
[15:44] <slytherin> Hobbsee: by the way, which merge were you talking about?
[15:44] <Hobbsee> slytherin: which merge?
[15:44] <Hobbsee> when?
[15:45] <slytherin> ﻿(08:11:46  IST) ***Hobbsee decides that this libdvdread merge really is correct...
[15:45] <Hobbsee> slytherin: ....
[15:45] <Hobbsee> slytherin: are you intending to ask a really stupid question here?
[15:45] <Hobbsee> and, so, therefore, should i give you a stupid answer back?  or are you being sarcastic?
[15:46] <dholbach> james_w: just commented on python-wadllib - other than the thing I found it looks really good
[15:46] <slytherin> Hobbsee: no, I am serious. I didn't understand teh meaning of that sentence.
[15:46] <Hobbsee> slytherin: libdvdread is a (source) package.
[15:46] <Hobbsee> slytherin: it had a merge listed against it.  I sponsored it, after deciding that the changes really were correct.
[15:46] <james_w> dholbach: cool, thanks. I'll try and push updated packages some time today
[15:47] <slytherin> Hobbsee: yes, so I was asking that only. As in bug number for the merge. :-)
[15:47] <Hobbsee> slytherin: oh.  would have been helpful if you'd actually mentioned the phrase "bug number" if that's what you wanted.
[15:47] <dholbach> james_w: might make sense to update it at the same time :)
[15:47] <slytherin> :-)
[15:47] <Hobbsee> slytherin: 255140
[15:50] <slytherin> By the way, do we need to attach Ubuntu->Ubuntu debdiff to merge bugs?
[15:50] <Hobbsee> dholbach: can you unsubscribe u-u-s from https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/axiom/+bug/258719 please?
[15:50] <Hobbsee> slytherin: not necessarily, but they can be helpful.
[15:50]  * Hobbsee notes that people who don't test build *probably* won't get their stuff sponsored so quickly.
[15:51] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Done
[15:51] <Hobbsee> StevenK: thanks
[15:52] <slytherin> Hobbsee: another not so stupid question. I am wondering why https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-August/005808.html doesn't show debian part of the changelog.
[15:52] <Hobbsee> ooh, wesnoth!
[15:53] <StevenK> Because Nathan's sponsor didn't generate the changes file correctly
[15:54] <StevenK> slytherin: ^
[15:54] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hush
[15:54] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i didn't use -v
[15:54] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Oh, it was you. :-)
[15:54]  * StevenK didn't check who did it
[15:54] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yes, it was...
[15:54] <Hobbsee> StevenK: based on the fact that i mentioend tha tmerge before, in ehre, it was probably me.
[15:55] <slytherin> StevenK: os is that a problem usually?
[15:56] <StevenK> slytherin: "os is that" ?
[15:56] <StevenK> EPARSE
[15:57] <sebner> Hobbsee: what's with wesnoth? If filed the sync request :P
[15:57] <Hobbsee> sebner: i want the new version?
[15:57] <slytherin> StevenK: sorry, 'so id that a problem usually", not having proper .changes file?
[15:57] <ScottK-laptop> slytherin: Crisis, not, but it does cause problems.
[15:57] <ScottK-laptop> not/no
[15:58] <StevenK> It causes some confusion, but isn't a case of "OMG kittens dying"
[15:58] <sebner> Hobbsee: ah no. I didn't file the sync request but I subscribed u-u-s _P
[15:58] <Hobbsee> sebner: i see your subscription, and raise you a direct upload :)
[15:59]  * slytherin keeps in mind about .changes file.
[16:00] <Hobbsee> or at least, would if i had dpkg-source installed.
[16:00] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Blink. No dpkg-dev?
[16:01] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yeah
[16:01]  * slytherin heads home
[16:01]  * RainCT announces that REVU now also provides feeds for individual packages.
[16:03] <sebner> Hobbsee: \o/
[16:06] <Hobbsee> Accepted:
[16:06] <Hobbsee>  OK: wesnoth_1.4.4.orig.tar.gz
[16:06] <Hobbsee>  OK: wesnoth_1.4.4-2.diff.gz
[16:06] <Hobbsee>  OK: wesnoth_1.4.4-2.dsc
[16:06] <Hobbsee>      -> Component: universe Section: games
[16:06] <Hobbsee> sebner: \o/
[16:07] <sebner> mighty Hobbsee \o/ \o/ \o/
[16:07] <sebner> xD
[16:07] <Hobbsee> down to 150.  woot!
[16:07] <Hobbsee> dholbach: keep going!
[16:07] <dholbach> Hobbsee: hm?
[16:07]  * dholbach hugs Hobbsee
[16:07] <Hobbsee> dholbach: sponsorship queue decreasing!
[16:07] <dholbach> Sponsoring FTW!
[16:08] <dholbach> I'll dive into it tomorrow morning again
[16:08] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i've done my 4 :P
[16:08] <dholbach> still some other stuff to work on
[16:08] <dholbach> jcastro just said to me:
 how about a package testing session?
[16:08] <dholbach>  like, using lintian, pbuilder, etc.
[16:08] <dholbach>  you know, the part I always skip. :p
[16:08] <sebner> Hobbsee: five a day, it's *5* a day :P
[16:08] <dholbach> what do you think?
[16:08] <Hobbsee> sebner: i'm sure i fixed another couple of bugs in there too.
[16:08] <dholbach> who would like to give such a session at Ubuntu Developer Week?
[16:09] <Hobbsee> sebner: besides, for the wesnoth, i played the part of universe sponsor, *and* the part of archive admin.  so that counts twice :)
[16:09] <Hobbsee> dholbach: you're going to run an hour on "TEST BUILD YOUR STUFF, ELSE THE MOTU MIGHT EAT YOU FOR BREAKFAST"?
[16:09] <Hobbsee> good luck with that
[16:09] <StevenK> Hobbsee: You forgot "RAWR!"
[16:09] <sebner> Hobbsee: but a nasty trick :P
[16:10] <Hobbsee> sebner: very :)
[16:10] <dholbach> "make your stuff build" isn't good enough
[16:10] <StevenK> "Make your stuff build, or we will find you" isn't very friendly either
[16:10] <Hobbsee> StevenK: but it would get the point across :P
[16:10] <StevenK> :-P
[16:10] <Hobbsee> and we'd have stuff in teh sponsorship queue that actually builds.
[16:11] <sebner> "Make your stuff build or upload it yourself" ?
[16:11] <dholbach> so... volunteers?
[16:11] <sebner> .. dinner calling .. :P
[16:11]  * Hobbsee isn't volunteering, due to the timezone stuff.
[16:12] <Hobbsee> you know, i think we should find some icon validation docs, and have a sponsorship day just on icons.
[16:12] <ScottK-laptop> Maybe a sponsorship hall of shame wiki page: "Do not sponsor from these people unless they repent their sinful ways"
[16:12] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: *evil grin*
[16:12] <StevenK> Haha
[16:12] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: but if you're talking about FTBFS, i'd hate to see how many MOTU's would appear on that list, for nto test building.
[16:12] <Hobbsee> because, of course, they can just keep abusing the buildds - or ppa's - to test.
[16:13] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah, well there's that, but exactly, it's not in the queue.
[16:13] <StevenK> I abuse my home machine first
[16:13] <Hobbsee> right, so it's only non-MOTU sponsorship.
[16:13] <Hobbsee> and anything that takes a long time to build.
[16:13] <StevenK> I've had a few FTBFSes due to datacentre things, like OMG empty po files
[16:13]  * Hobbsee recalls a package that will go to the top of the list.
[16:13] <StevenK> kdelibs
[16:14] <Hobbsee> nah...
[16:14] <Hobbsee> StevenK: my particular favorite was the sync we got from debian, which had an interactive section during build, talking to cpanplus.
[16:14] <StevenK> Blink
[16:14] <Hobbsee> and locked up a buildd for 3 days over christmas.
[16:14] <StevenK> I missed that one
[16:14] <StevenK> \o/
[16:14] <Hobbsee> lucky you...
[16:14] <Hobbsee> and the others died for other reasons, too
[16:15] <Hobbsee> as in, chroot-in-and-fix-them issues.
[16:16] <Hobbsee> ah yes, icons and .desktop files.
[16:16] <Hobbsee> Someone should learn about them, and sponsor the 17 bugs.
[16:22]  * sistpoty|work wonders how to test a package w.o. having it test-built beforehand
[16:23] <ScottK> Bah.  Just throw it at the archive and see if it sticks.
[16:23] <sistpoty|work> heh
[16:23] <sistpoty|work> or I need a better glassbowl *g*
[16:23] <ScottK> JFTR, in the spirit of doing the opposite, I currently have every single non-debug KDE package installed in my laptop for kde3.5.10 testing.
[16:24] <sistpoty|work> nice
[16:24] <StevenK> apachelogger: So, libksquirrel is apparently i386 only? And completly fails to build on intrepid since upstream doesn't know what include files are?
[16:24] <ScottK> sudo dpkg -i *.deb is really hard on dpkg when it's all of the kde3 binaries.
[16:25] <sistpoty|work> ScottK: does that mean that intrepid will ship with kde3?
[16:25] <ScottK> No, this is for Hardy.
[16:25] <sistpoty|work> ah, k
[16:25] <ScottK> Uploaded it last night to hardy-backports and it's building now.
[16:25] <tacone> hello, I've just created a chroot but seems to be no apt-get in there. any help ?
[16:27] <sistpoty|work> tacone: how did you create your chroot? with debootstrap?
[16:27] <tacone>  sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 hardy /var/chroot/intrepid http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[16:27] <Hobbsee> sistpoty|work: ppa?
[16:27] <tacone> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[16:27] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Ubuntu Forums references on p.d.o.  What is the world coming to. http://www.news.software.coop/solved-but-why-belkin-f5d7630-to-realtek-8139-drop-outs/101/
[16:27] <sistpoty|work> Hobbsee: -edon'tuseppamyself *g*
[16:28] <sistpoty|work> tacone: hm... then there really should be apt-get inside
[16:28] <tacone> sistpoty|work: that's what disappoints me. broken ? 2 days before freeze ? brrr :D
[16:29] <tacone> any workaround ?
[16:30] <sistpoty|work> tacone: hm... what's you host system? hardy or intrepid? (as you seem to want to create a hardy chroot)
[16:30] <tacone> hardy
[16:30] <tacone> I also have an intrepid pbuilder
[16:30] <tacone> no, I want an intrepid chroot
[16:30] <ScottK> BTW, after having test built all 19 KDE3 source packages on my laptop over the course of about 4 days, my sympathy for anyone who 'doesn't have time' is pretty low.
[16:30] <sistpoty|work> tacone: than I very much doubt that debootstrap is broken on hardy
[16:30] <tacone> sistpoty|work: I just pasted the wrong command
[16:31] <tacone>  sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 intrepid /var/chroot/intrepid http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[16:31] <tacone> this is the command I used, sorry.
[16:31] <sistpoty|work> tacone: did it give any errors?
[16:31] <sistpoty|work> (or how do you determine that there is no apt-get?)
[16:31] <tacone> not any I noticed.
[16:32] <tacone> I chroot there and type apt-get
[16:32] <tacone> also no apt-get binary in /usr/bin
[16:33] <sistpoty|work> hm... interesting...
[16:33] <tacone> sure, but not funny :)
[16:33] <tacone> I could get a .deb in there and install it with dpkg, but I don't know about dependency
[16:33] <tacone> cies
[16:35] <tacone> sistpoty|work: ok, this definitely sucks http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg970616.html but maybe without =buildd it'll work
[16:40] <nxvl> good morning!
[16:40] <dholbach> hi nxvl
[16:42] <nxvl> dholbach: hi again!
[16:45] <tacone> sistpoty|work: without =buildd works
[16:49] <huats> morning nxvl
[16:49] <huats> :)
[17:53] <apachelogger> StevenK: something like that, though upstream likes to use the reason "it's open source so there is no reason I wouldn't want to include 50 different libraries in my source tarball"
[17:55] <james_w> thanks REVU
[18:03] <RainCT> superm1: is bug #257754 right on u-u-s? (seems like some mythbuntu dev should take care of it, as ubuntu-dev can't merge the branch)
[18:03] <superm1> RainCT, let me see
[18:04] <superm1> RainCT, ah yeah.  perhaps you pointed out a good point though that  the branch should be owned by ubuntu-dev
[18:04] <superm1> RainCT, but that would mean that folks who work on mythbuntu stuff  that aren't motu's won't be able to touch it right?
[18:05] <RainCT> superm1: perhaps ubuntu-dev could be a member of the mythbuntu group?
[18:05] <superm1> RainCT, oh that would work quite well
[18:05] <superm1> RainCT, yeah i'll do that
[18:08] <superm1> RainCT, hum the downside will be that all of our bugmail will probably end up sent to all of ubuntu-dev wouldnt it?
[18:08]  * RainCT finds out that the new team page on LP sucks :P
[18:09] <RainCT> ah no, that's just me being on the wrong page lol
[18:10] <RainCT> superm1: right.. unless you set a contact address for the team
[18:10] <superm1> RainCT, hm, well that's a bit counterproductive i think
[18:10] <RainCT> perhaps we need a ubuntu-dev-without-bugmail XD
[18:10] <tacone> I am trying to package a new upstream version. the description is not that good. am I allowed to change it or should I open a bug and wait for feedback on that ? (we're near the freeze)
[18:11] <superm1> RainCT, yeah that would be exactly what we need i think
[18:12] <RainCT> OK.. I'll create one then (/me hopes that nobody kills him because of that :))
[18:13] <superm1> well so how would the structure for this look in terms of which team is a member of what then?
[18:13] <tacone> ok ok, no new description.
[18:13] <RainCT> tacone: what do you mean? you can change the description whenever you want..
[18:14] <tacone> ok, thank you
[18:14] <RainCT> superm1: ubuntu-dev is a member of ubuntu-dev-without-bugmail (which has some dummy contact address set), and this later one is a member of whichever other team you want to add it to
[18:16] <superm1> so basically i'll invite ubuntu-dev-without-bugmail to join the mythbuntu team
[18:16] <superm1> and then suddenly all of ubuntu-dev can do stuff since they are a member of ubuntu-dev-without-bugmail
[18:16] <RainCT> yep
[18:16] <superm1> great idea
[18:18] <tacone> the package I am updating has a patch. the patch shuold be changed. I'd just delete it and make a new one. shuold I choose a different name for the new patch or can I just drop in a patch with the same name ?
[18:18] <RainCT> tacone: it can have the same name
[18:19] <tacone> thank you  :)
[18:20] <RainCT> uhm.. I don't know which email address to use :P
[18:20] <RainCT> how long does team mailing list approvation take?
[18:21] <superm1> can't you just use a fake email address perhaps?
[18:22] <RainCT> superm1: I'm not sure if LP will continue sending messages to all members until the e-mail address has been confirmed or not
[18:23]  * sistpoty|work heads home
[18:23] <sistpoty|work> cya
[18:23] <superm1> RainCT, so perhaps a temporary email address at something like http://www.mailinater.com/
[18:26] <RainCT> superm1: ah, nice :)
[18:26] <RainCT> done, and I've requested a mailing list and will change it to that once it's approved
[18:27] <RainCT> ah, damn.. techboard has to accept the ubuntu-dev invitation anyway
[18:33]  * RainCT hugs mdz
[18:33] <RainCT> superm1: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev-without-bugmail
[18:35] <superm1> okay RainCT, i've invited ubuntu-dev-without-bugmail
[18:38] <RainCT> accepted :)
[18:40] <RainCT> awesome «Update this branch:   bzr push lp:~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-control-centre»  :)
[18:46] <tacone> is there a way go convert a diff to the dpatch format ?
[18:47] <tacone> guess I found it
[18:48] <RainCT> tacone: get into the dpatch subshell (dpatch-edit-patch patch_name) and apply it :P
[18:48] <superm1> i've always just dpatch-edit-patch and then applied it.  is there an easier way?
[18:52] <james_w> there's dpatch patch-template
[18:52] <RainCT> oh, nice :)
[18:52] <james_w> dpatch patch-template -p "01_foo" "Do foo" < foo.patch > debian/patches/01_foo.dpatch
[18:57] <RainCT> superm1: If I merge that branch, should I push, set the bugs to "Fix commited" and that's it or also upload it? (Or rather, do you plan to upload a new revision somewhen soon?)
[18:58] <superm1> we'll be doing a new revision soonish.  so just add it to debian/changelog as UNRELEASED for now
[19:00] <ssaboum> hi everyone
[19:00] <cody-somerville> Hi
[19:01] <ssaboum> :-)
[19:01] <jpds> ssaboum: Correct me if I'm wrong, were you the person who had some firewall problems with requestsync?
[19:02] <tacone> thanks
[19:02] <ssaboum> i'll correct you, sorry i'm not this one
[19:02] <jpds> ssaboum: Sorry then.
[19:03] <ssaboum> don't worry lol
[19:03] <henrik-kabelkaos> (^.^)
[19:04] <sommer> hey all, I'm trying to get an updated version of ldapscripts sponsored, so I filed bug #261462, is there anything else I need to do?
[19:14] <RainCT> ScottK: clamav master, shall I unsubscribe u-u-s from bug #260702 or upload it?
[19:23] <Laney> jpds: semantik fail :( Can you try a give-back on amd64? (Just tried in an updated sbuild chroot and it worked)
[19:25] <jpds> Laney: semantik has always failed in random occasions on non-i386 ports...
[19:26] <Laney> jpds: Oh...
[19:27] <jpds> Laney: buildd'ed it. It usually happened because the other ports needed to catch up on KDE4.
[19:27] <Laney> Yeah, I think that's what the failure meant (dep problems for kdelibs5)
[19:28] <nxvl> how is the Freezes thing? i can upload new features until tomorrow or until Thursday?
[19:28] <james_w> nxvl: upload until someone tells you off for doing so :-p
[19:28] <nxvl> james_w: heh
[19:28] <nxvl> james_w: that's a dangerous policy
[19:29] <ssaboum> lol
[19:29] <james_w> you can upload tomorrow I am sure
[19:29] <Laney> Upload until the email to ubuntu-devel-something saying that FF is in effect(!)
[19:29] <mathiaz> nxvl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule -> Freezes normally happen at the start of the given date, UTC time. So last minute changes need to happen the day before.
[19:29] <james_w> exactly
[19:30] <NCommander> ScottK, so I broke courier good
[19:30] <nxvl> mathiaz: so the Day of the freeze no more uploads are allowed?
[19:30] <james_w> and on that note, would someone be willing to review/advocate my two packages on REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=python-wadllib and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=python-launchpadlib
[19:31] <nxvl> Laney: ubuntu-devel-announce
[19:31] <nxvl> NCommander: you broke it?
[19:31] <Laney> Right
[19:31] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/courier/+bug/260899
[19:31] <nxvl> heh
[19:31] <nxvl> no
[19:32] <nxvl> that is something I broke
[19:32] <nxvl> :P
[19:32] <NCommander> You broke?
[19:32] <nxvl> yep
[19:32] <nxvl> rpath issue
[19:32] <nxvl> check the changelog
[19:32] <mathiaz> nxvl: no more uploads after Thursday, 00:00 UTC
[19:32]  * NCommander looks
[19:32] <NCommander> I thought I was to blame for this
[19:32] <NCommander> bah
[19:32] <NCommander> We need to figure out what to do
[19:33] <NCommander> I can't believe someone is actually running a server off intrepid o_o;
[19:33] <NCommander> That's sorta insane
[19:33] <geser> nxvl, mathiaz: after FF no uploads with new features, but you're still allowed to upload bug fixes
[19:33] <NCommander> nxvl, do you simply want to backout the rpath issue?
[19:33] <NCommander> s/the/change/s
[19:34] <NCommander> I'm considering firing a release critica/policy violation bug against Debian
[19:34] <NCommander> It will either get fixed or courier will get pulled fromt esting.
[19:34] <nxvl> geser: yes, that we know :D
[19:34] <mathiaz> geser: of course - nxvl was refering to uploads that would fall under FF
[19:34] <geser> ah
[19:34] <nxvl> geser: we are assuming that for no more uploads me mean no more uploads that include features
[19:34] <NCommander> nxvl, how do you want to fix this
[19:34] <nxvl> NCommander: i suppose
[19:35] <nxvl> i will check after lunch
[19:35] <nxvl> brb
[19:35] <geser> nxvl: just making sure that you don't stop working after Thursday ;)
[19:36] <NCommander> After thursday, I'm going to go code on ReactOS for two months ;-)
[19:37] <NCommander> (well, it probably will see some love)
[19:41] <RainCT> james_w: I'm looking at python-launchpadlib. About the Debian Maintainer, I've always seen that indicated as  Files: debian/*
[19:41] <james_w> RainCT: yeah, but there is zero difference there as far as I can see
[19:42] <james_w> i.e. copyright, licence etc. all match
[19:42] <james_w> and there is no "Author:" or similar
[19:43] <RainCT> alright
[19:45] <RainCT> james_w: why is the Priority "extra"?
[19:46] <james_w> RainCT: not sure. I imagine that was what dh_make gave me and I didn't think to change it, should I?
[19:48] <tacone> hello, uupdate created an own changelog entry. as a result I seem to have this changelog in my package http://paste.pocoo.org/show/83431/
[19:48] <tacone> can anyone lend me an hand ?
[19:48] <cody-somerville> tacone, lend you a hand with what?
[19:48] <tacone> taking a look to http://paste.pocoo.org/show/83431/ and suggesting me what to do.
[19:48] <RainCT> james_w: Yep, it should be optional. As I understand it, extra is for packages which can break something, require special hardware or something like that; and python-launchpad-bugs, for instance, and most other Python libraries are of optional priority
[19:49] <RainCT> tacone: what's the problem? just remove the one you don't want and change the other one
[19:49] <james_w> RainCT: I'll switch it, I'll let you finish your review first.
[19:49] <tacone> RainCT: ok.
[19:50] <RainCT> james_w: The description has a "launchpad", which should start with an upper-case character, as it is a name. And the URL at the bottom has two spaces at the start. :P
[19:50] <james_w> RainCT: that's intentional
[19:50] <james_w> it prevents line-wrapping in some displays
[19:51] <RainCT> tacone: debian/changelog is just a text file, there's no reason why you might be scared to edit it by hand; just look at the existing entries and use the same formatting, and if you are not sure if you wrote something incorrect try if  dch   can still parse it
[19:51] <RainCT> james_w: ah, didn't know that :)
[19:52] <james_w> RainCT: yeah, e.g. package.debian.org obeys the convention
[19:52] <tacone> I am not scared, I am just new at packaging and prefer to ask :)
[19:53] <RainCT> james_w: lines 3-7 from debian/rules can be removed. debian/changelog says "Closes:" instead of "LP:"
[19:54] <james_w> RainCT: I'm happy to remove 3, but as 4-7 are a licence I like to keep them
[19:54] <james_w> but good catch on the bug
[19:55] <RainCT> james_w: yes, but the exception allows to remove it
[19:55] <james_w> RainCT: true, they're gone
[19:59]  * RainCT goes to review python-wadllib
[20:00] <RainCT> james_w: btw, is there some reason why you depend on debhelper 6?
[20:00] <james_w> nope, just keeping up with the times
[20:02] <RainCT> james_w: wadllib also has priority extra
[20:03] <RainCT> jpds: is the sentence "library for navigating WADL files" correct?
[20:03] <jpds> RainCT: Yeah.
[20:03] <RainCT> jpds: kthxbye :P
[20:05] <RainCT> james_w: the .diff.gz has undocumented changes in the source
[20:05]  * Laney spanks semantik
[20:06] <RainCT> james_w: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40737/plain
[20:07] <jpds> Laney: (Now you know why I didn't bother with the package ;-))
[20:07] <james_w> RainCT: ah, thanks. I forgot to actually merge the new upstream snapshot.
[20:07] <tacone> what's the pbuilder equivalent of debuild -uc -us -S ?
[20:07] <tuxmaniac> where can I find the complete list of ftbfs packages?
[20:08] <Laney> tuxmaniac: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/
[20:08] <tuxmaniac> Laney: thanks
[20:08] <Laney> tacone: pbuilder doesn't build source packages...
[20:09] <tacone> Laney: what should I do to build a source package for intrepid then ? (I am on hardy)
[20:09] <Laney> tacone: Just use debuild -S!
[20:09] <tacone> Laney: nice.
[20:10] <tuxmaniac> tacone: I think pdebuild --debbuildopts -sa should do. Not sure
[20:10] <tacone> another thing. I get dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of 'debian/patches/001-Fix-Install-Errors.dpatch' will not be represented in diff
[20:10] <tacone> is this ok ? (guess dpatches have to be executable)
[20:10] <RainCT> tacone: just ignore that :)
[20:10] <tacone> nice
[20:11] <tacone> last thing. what do I need to upload on launchpad to allow sponsors review ? it's a new upstream version.
[20:12] <Laney> tacone: .diff.gz
[20:12] <tacone> Laney: only the diff.gz ? .dsc etc ?
[20:12] <tacone> also, shuold I attach a separate debdiff ?
[20:14] <RainCT> tacone: only the diff.gz and a link to the .orig.tar.gz
[20:14] <tacone> RainCT: ok
[20:15] <RainCT> james_w: I'll advocate once you fixed that
[20:15] <RainCT> :)
[20:15] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: thanks for the sponsorship of geda-gnetlist :-)
[20:15] <sebner> geser: I updated the sync request for smuxi. Also added a comment. Your ACK is still valid I suppose :)
[20:16] <DktrKranz> tuxmaniac, accepted?
[20:16] <james_w> RainCT: rockin'. thanks.
[20:18] <tacone> done ! if anyone would like to review it it's there https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/+bug/261542
[20:19] <Laney> tacone: That's not a needs-packaging bug ;)
[20:19] <tacone> Laney: ops. :)
[20:19] <tacone> it's a needs-urgent-sponsoring-before-freeze :)
[20:19] <Laney> tacone: No, you've got it in in time.
[20:20] <Laney> You can add the tag uus-pre-ff-810 to let sponsors know that it was uploaded for sponsorship before the freeze
[20:20] <geser> sebner: only if you successfully test-build it
[20:20] <tacone> well, the freeze will happen in 2 days right ?
[20:20] <sebner> geser: See comment :P
[20:20] <tacone> it wouldn't be nice to get the older version in intrepid, the newer is much nicer
[20:22] <geser> sebner: the archive admins always pull the current version in sid, so no need to update sync requests
[20:23] <sebner> geser: I thought so but it's better to update it (at least for me)
[20:29] <nxvl> NCommander: did you mind if assign Bug 260899 to myself?
[20:29] <NCommander> sure, take it
[20:29] <NCommander> I thought I caused that so I took it
[20:29] <nxvl> NCommander: actually foolano patch is the correct one, it reverts my failure
[20:30] <NCommander> I never said it was incorrect, just not the "right" way to do it
[20:30]  * NCommander is running IE on Linux
[20:30] <nxvl> NCommander: yeah i know, i was just giving more information on the cause of the issue, which are all the lines foolano deleted
[20:30] <NCommander> I think I'm going to barf
[20:33] <NCommander> nxvl, so your going to handle it?
[20:34] <shilbert> Hi, I am looking at bug 224077. Any advice on how I can get the word out so users will test instead of over and over reporting the bug against the old buggy version
[20:34] <nxvl> NCommander: yep, working on it
[20:35]  * NCommander feels like he should be doing packaging work or somethng
[20:35] <shilbert> any help is appreciated. We, the GNUmed team get 2 or 3 bug reports a week which are all identical, despite the fact that a fix is available
[20:35] <Laney> shilbert: Dupe them against the SRU bug and ask the users to test the -proposed version and report back?
[20:36] <shilbert> it is in hardy-proposed I believe but rarely any users read our mailing list
[20:36] <joaopinto> shilbert, the current release does not usually get release upgrades, you should create a diff which includes the code to fix the bugs, also listing the bugs that you are fixing
[20:36] <Laney> joaopinto: There is already a SRU in hardy-proposed
[20:36] <shilbert> so I was hoping for advice on how to get the word out
[20:36] <joaopinto> oh, there is :P
[20:36]  * henrik-kabelkaos says that the "pencil" package caused some kind of serverside error.
[20:36] <Laney> shilbert: Where are these bugs coming in?
[20:37] <shilbert> we have a reporter which is triggered when a python exception in GNUmed occures
[20:37] <shilbert> it does when using the stock buggy ubuntu version
[20:38] <shilbert> so almost all users automatically report the same bug
[20:38] <shilbert> but are no aware that a newer version exists
[20:38] <shilbert> they simply do not read our mailing list, blog etc
[20:39] <Laney> Well, it might be enough for you to just get some other members of the gnumed team to verify the SRU
[20:39] <Laney> Surely there are two or three people you can pick on ;)
[20:40] <shilbert> I will try that but most of them use either Macs, Debian  or MS Windows but you are right they might as well test in a virtual machine
[20:40] <shilbert> I was hoping someone in the Ubuntu community could issue a call for testing in a blog
[20:41] <shilbert> but maybe this is out of scope
[20:50] <tgm4883_laptop> Can someone check one of my packages for me?  I uploaded it a few hours ago, but haven't seen it show up in revu yet
[20:50] <tgm4883_laptop> The package name is mythnettv-gui
[21:00] <NCommander> slangasek, if you have some time in the near future, any chance you can help me sponsor an upload into Debian?
[21:03] <RainCT> tgm4883_laptop: you did a binary upload
[21:20] <slangasek> NCommander: I think my time is pretty much spoken for for the next decade or so; -mentors not doing the job?
[21:20] <NCommander> No one wants to go near codeblocks
[21:20] <NCommander> Four people already tried to do it and failed
[21:20] <NCommander> Its already in Ubuntu
[21:21] <NCommander> slangasek, fork() yourself, and divide up the workload ;-)
[21:21] <slangasek> oh, hey, if no one wants to go near it, then I'm sold already ;P
[21:21] <slangasek> NCommander: unlike Unix, homo sapiens does /not/ have a lightweight fork()
[21:21] <NCommander> Well
[21:22] <NCommander> it could wait until I'm a DD in hopefully another month or so
[21:22] <bdrung> DD?
[21:22] <NCommander> Debian Developer
[21:23] <bdrung> thx
[21:24] <Riddell> tseliot: hi
[21:24] <Riddell> tseliot: do you know why screen-resolution-extra is in multiverse?
[21:24] <Riddell> tseliot: and is it ubuntu specific?  seems to be a native package
[21:25] <tseliot> Riddel: it's phase 1 of the blueprint I'm implementing
[21:26] <tseliot> Riddel: it's an extension to the Display capplet of Gnome Control Panel which will allow it to set the virtual resolution in the xorg.conf when required
[21:26] <tseliot> Riddell: and of course it's very Ubuntu specific
[21:26] <sebner> tseliot: 2.6.27 kernel is (still) in new. I suppose you will also upload rebuilded nvidia drivers!?
[21:28] <tseliot> sebner: it will require a patch for the driver and one for the kernel. The latter will be included in rc5, I guess
[21:28] <sebner> tseliot: I see so hands away from the new kernel (as long it's based on rc4) :P
[21:28] <tseliot> sebner: right
[21:28] <slangasek> NCommander: debian/ directory in the upstream tarball? Pass
[21:29] <NCommander> slangasek, I did pretty much completely redo their debian/ folder :-P
[21:29] <Riddell> sebner: 2.6.27 is no such thing
[21:30] <sebner> Riddell: hm?
[21:30] <slangasek> NCommander: but the upstream tarball still contains a debian dir
[21:30] <Riddell> tseliot: is there a reason it should be in multiverse?
[21:30] <NCommander> slangasek, true. Probably a reason why most people won't touch it
[21:31] <tseliot> Riddell: no, it should be in universe but I guess it doesn't matter since we are planning to move it to main together with python-xkit
[21:32] <tseliot> Riddell: BTW are you an archive admin?
[21:33] <NCommander> slangasek, know any DD who is crazy enough to sponsor such a beast?
[21:33] <slangasek> I generally don't try to encourage the crazy DDs to inflict their craziness on the archive
[21:33] <Riddell> tseliot: yes (which is why I'm asking these questions)
[21:34] <Riddell> tseliot: and why sebner's defaming about 2.6.27 being in new is no longer true :)
[21:34] <tseliot> Riddell: can I bring envyng-core to your attention too?
[21:34] <tseliot> Riddell: aah, I see
[21:35] <tseliot> Riddel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/envyng-core/+bug/260862
[21:36] <sebner> Riddell: bah :P
[21:37]  * tgm4883_laptop smacks head
[21:37] <tgm4883_laptop> Thanks RainCT, fixing now
[21:39] <sebner> Riddell: but not in the archive yet :P
[21:44] <NCommander> so Riddell, if/when you have some free time, can you possibly look at sponsoring an upload to into Debian for me?
[21:44] <tseliot> Riddel: I meant to say that envyng-core is in the NEW queue
[21:44] <slangasek> NCommander: Riddell isn't a DD...
[21:44] <Riddell> NCommander: nope, I'm not a Debian developer
[21:44] <NCommander> damn it
[21:44] <Riddell> tseliot: still going through New
[21:45]  * NCommander declares its DD's hunting session
[21:45] <tseliot> Riddell: ah, ok
[21:46] <james_w> NCommander: this is a new package for Debian?
[21:46] <NCommander> james_w, yeah, its codeblocks
[21:46] <NCommander> One of those longstanding RFP for both Ubuntu/Debian
[21:47] <james_w> NCommander: could I ask you to hold off on requesting people's time until Thursday or later?
[21:47] <james_w> I realise it's been waiting a long time, but a few more days can't hurt, and I'd rather time was spent on Intrepid until Thursday
[21:51] <NCommander> Nah, its fine
[21:51] <NCommander> I just want to find someone who's willing
[21:51] <NCommander> Once I find that, I can wait a few months even
[21:51] <RAOF> stefanlsd: You here?
[21:51] <james_w> NCommander: have you tried #debian-mentors on oftc?
[21:51] <RAOF> stefanlsd: Re: gpa, obviously.
[21:51] <NCommander> Yeah
[21:52] <NCommander> It's a wxGTK package, and its not a trival one either, so no one is really willing to sponsor it
[21:52] <NCommander> (it's six split packages, a couple of patches to bend it to the debian FHS, and such)
[21:53] <Laney> What about the utnubu team (does it still exist)?
[21:53] <james_w> Laney: no, it doesn't.
[21:54] <james_w> Laney: well, perhaps it's not formally disbanded, but it is as good as.
[21:54] <Laney> OK : (
[21:54] <NCommander> Well, if I ever get DD< I'll join it
[21:57] <NCommander> Is there any major things that I can help to do before the freeze?
[21:59] <RAOF> NCommander: You're welcome to help finish packaging gnome-do-plugins in pkg-cli-apps :)
[21:59] <NCommander> Where's the wip for gnome-do-plugins?
[21:59] <NCommander> actually
[21:59] <NCommander> argh
[21:59] <NCommander> I still need to get pangomm into Ubuntu
[21:59]  * NCommander sees if its cleared the NEW queue yet
[21:59] <RAOF> Heh.
[21:59] <huats> is there a place where I can track packages that are in new ? and not yet in the archive ?
[22:02] <NCommander> seb128 was going to do a fastsync with it (he helped with the Debian packaging), but I haven't seen him in awhile
[22:03] <RainCT> huats: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue
[22:03] <NCommander> habtool, http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[22:03] <NCommander> (for Debian)
[22:04] <huats> thanks RainCT
[22:04] <NCommander> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hoary/+queue - wow, these old queues still exist
[22:05] <NCommander> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WOO, PPAs with the highest number of uploads in the last 7 days
[22:05] <NCommander> I don't know if that's a good thing or not!
[22:06] <RAOF> NCommander: What are you putting in that PPA? :)
[22:06] <NCommander> xfce 4.6
[22:07] <NCommander> gnat 4.2 rebuild
[22:07] <NCommander> a few random GNOME packages
[22:07] <NCommander> I realize I upload a lot
[22:07] <NCommander> But 55 O_o;
[22:07] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  While I think of it.  Any PPC users here?
[22:07] <NCommander> RAOF, yeah
[22:07] <NCommander> (32-bit only though)
[22:07] <NCommander> need something built or done for Ubuntu PPC?
[22:08] <RAOF> I don't suppose you could check bug #181068, then try rebuilding gnome-python-extras and try again?
[22:09] <NCommander> Sure
[22:09] <NCommander> I just need to plugin the PPC bok
[22:10] <RAOF> Thanks.
[22:11] <erpo> Hi. The package I want information about isn't in universe but I hope someone can help answer my question anyway. I would like to petition to get a package removed from ubuntu, or at least from the default installation (it's in main). How can I do this?
[22:12] <Laney> erpo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Removing%20Packages
[22:13] <RainCT> erpo: what package is it?
[22:13] <james_w> erpo: if it's in the default installation then it is best to give your reasoning on ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
[22:13] <NCommander> RAOF, ok, my box is up
[22:13] <erpo> Laney: Thanks!
[22:13] <james_w> is it mono-based by any chance?
[22:13] <erpo> RainCT: vinagre
[22:14] <RainCT> o_O
[22:14] <erpo> james_w: I saw that on Laney's link, but that's for the pointer. I will definitely request feedback from the list first. :)
[22:14] <erpo> james_w: I don't think it's mono-based.
[22:14] <james_w> no, it's not I don't think
[22:14] <james_w> sorry for jumping to conclusions
[22:15] <erpo> No problema. Why did you guess a mono app?
[22:15] <james_w> RainCT: I just uploaded updated packages to REVU, they should appear at :20.
[22:15] <RainCT> erpo: why would it be removed? it's one of the applications which were featured on the hardy announcements (http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta)
[22:15] <james_w> erpo: there are a lot of vocal mono opponents, and a lot that argue that it shouldn't be in the default install.
[22:16] <erpo> james_w: Ah. Yes, I've heard about some anti-mono sentiment.
[22:17] <RAOF> NCommander: Need the bug link again?
[22:17] <RainCT> james_w: uhm.. I only see a new pytho-launchpadlib upload
[22:17] <NCommander> nope, got it
[22:18] <NCommander> bah
[22:18] <NCommander> *installed GNOME*
[22:18] <james_w> RainCT: wadllib was second, it should appear in a moment, sorry.
[22:18] <NCommander> *installs*
[22:18] <erpo> RainCT: It's a humiliation to Ubuntu. It doesn't detect the bandwidth and adjust the color depth of the connection automatically, nor is there any way for the user to select the color depth. This makes VNC connections over the Internet unusably slow, and consequently gives VNC and Ubuntu a bad name. Bug reports have been filed against it and the author has not responded.
[22:19] <jelmer> erpo, the highest importance bug in vinagre at the moment is triaged "wishlist"
[22:19] <wgrant> We're not going to remove something just because it assumes that you have more bandwidth than you do.
[22:20] <wgrant> Fixing sounds like a less ridiculous idea.
[22:21] <jelmer> erpo: so at the very least, please make sure there are bugs open about the issues you're seeing in vinagre
[22:21] <erpo> wgrant: I agree. I nearly filed a bug report until I saw the existing bug report and attached comments.
[22:21] <erpo> jelmer: That bug is in there. It's a killer problem, but the author has assigned it wishlist priority.
[22:21] <jelmer> erpo, that's not the author of vinagre
[22:21] <wgrant> It is, in the end, a wishlist bug.
[22:22] <wgrant> Albeit a high-importance one.
[22:22] <jelmer> erpo, somebody from ubuntu has assigned it a wishlist bug
[22:23] <erpo> jelmer: I contend, as do the people who responded to the bug with comments, that the bug makes the program effectively unusable.
[22:23] <wgrant> ... except in cases where it's not.
[22:23] <jelmer> erpo: I understand it makes the program hard to use, and I agree it would be nice to have that bug fixed
[22:24] <wgrant> Does the upstream developer actually know?
[22:24] <jelmer> wgrant, yeah, the bug is forwarded
[22:24] <erpo> wgrant: How could I find out?
[22:24] <erpo> jelmer: Ah, thanks.
[22:24]  * RainCT would mark it as "Medium" ("A bug that has a moderate impact on a core application."), but this has to be fixed upstream and not on Ubuntu anyway
[22:24] <wgrant> RainCT: It should be High/Wishlist. But LP doesn't support that.
[22:25] <NCommander> RAOF, I can confirm the bug happens
[22:25] <NCommander> Waiting on the build-deps to download
[22:25] <RAOF> Thanks.
[22:25] <erpo> Pardon me. I'm used to bugzilla. Does launchpad not have independent severity and importance ratings?
[22:25] <jelmer> erpo, no, it's combined
[22:25] <RainCT> erpo: nope
[22:25] <wgrant> They were removed somewhat over 2 years ago, IIRC.
[22:26] <wgrant> s/removed/merged/
[22:26] <jelmer> I would agree Medium is more appropriate here as well
[22:26] <wgrant> For good reason.
[22:26] <RainCT> james_w: still uploading?
[22:26] <wgrant> But Wishlist should be a separate flag.
[22:26] <erpo> Hmm. So the next step would probably be to contact the developer via email and confirm that s/he has no plans to fix it in the near future.
[22:26] <james_w> RainCT: dammit, wrong host, sorry
[22:27] <jelmer> erpo, I haven't seen any indication that there are no plans to fix it in the near future
[22:28] <jelmer> erpo, I think it would be more constructive to point out that this is making vinagre unusable for a lot of people
[22:28] <erpo> jelmer: You're right. That's what I'll do.
[22:28] <jelmer> erpo, and encourage them to fix it and/or contribute a patch
[22:29] <wgrant> Entering the wrong channel and asking to have it removed is not the best thing to do.
[22:30] <erpo> I believe I clearly noted that the package was not in main before asking for help. I also didn't ask to have it removed; I asked how one goes about making that request, provided that someone here was willing to help me. Please excuse me if that violates channel etiquette.
[22:30] <erpo> s/not in main/not in universe/
[22:32] <erpo> Ah. It appears that the bug in the bugzilla the author uses is marked normal/normal.
[23:00] <Laney> tacone: Is your memaker update ready?
[23:00] <Laney> tacone: If so, you should subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[23:19] <Riddell> tseliot: the packaging for screen-resolution-extra says Section: contrib/x11
[23:19] <Riddell> is that deliberate?
[23:19] <tseliot> Riddell: is it a problem?
[23:20] <Riddell> tseliot: no but it suggests something is non-free about it
[23:20] <tseliot> Riddell: it's all gpl
[23:21] <Riddell> then it shouldn't be in contrib
[23:21] <Riddell> also the long description is a repeat of the short description
[23:21] <Riddell> both minor issues, I've accepted it
[23:21] <tseliot> Riddel: thanks
[23:22] <Riddell> zul: xenner includes the full GPL in debian/copyright, best to just point to the common-licences one
[23:22] <Riddell> tseliot: you said you had something else in New?
[23:23] <tseliot> Riddell: yes, envyng-core
[23:24] <Riddell> tseliot: I don't see it, launchpad seems to suggest it's done
[23:25] <tseliot> Riddell: you're right: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/envyng-core
[23:25] <Riddell> but not in the archive yet
[23:26] <tseliot> Riddel: but it was accepted right?
[23:27] <tseliot> Riddell: if it's no longer in the NEW queue
[23:27] <Riddell> New queue is empty
[23:27] <Riddell> i guess someone accepted it
[23:28] <tseliot> Riddell: ok, great. Thanks again
[23:29] <tseliot> Riddell: do you know if there is a way to use stock icons in pyQT4/pyKDE4?
[23:30] <Riddell> tseliot: not in pyqt, in pykde you just use the icon theme name KIcon("go-forward") or whatever
[23:31] <tseliot> Riddell: ok, thanks
[23:52] <tacone> Laney: yes it is
[23:52] <tacone> tseliot: where can I find xkit-datastore ?
[23:57] <tseliot> tacone: the XML translator?
[23:58] <tacone> tseliot: yes, I'd like to find out what is it, since I use xml too for my parser