=== leonel_ is now known as leonel [00:29] ZZzzzzz [01:31] hello ubuntuers [01:40] where do i find legal experts? [01:51] which package does have multiple licenses and is good as example for this? [02:06] bdrung: define "this" [02:07] nxvl: i want a package that is a good example for a package that has more than one license listed in debian/copyright [02:08] bdrung: augeas [02:08] :D [02:08] it's a copyright nightmare [02:09] nxvl: i am packaging a software wich contains other software with other licenses in subdirectories. [02:09] nxvl: yes and i hate those legal issues. [02:11] bdrung: yep augeas is what you are looking for [02:12] nxvl: thx [02:15] i've created a setup.py for a program i'm packaging and made the the Mythbuntu team the maintainer. I've sent setup.py upstream, but what should the maintainer be listed as upstream, or should it be removed altogether? [02:20] what does lintian mean with copyright-lists-upstream-authors-with-dh_make-boilerplate? [02:20] oh, google helped [02:20] run lintian -i [02:20] it will tell you more about it [02:20] dunno [02:21] (and the solution) [02:21] thx for the -i tip [02:21] :D [02:28] nxvl: you? a MOTU? the gods have died. :P [02:36] bug #250506 has now 23 duplicates. [02:36] Launchpad bug 250506 in consolekit "shutdown and restart act as logout" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250506 [02:38] mneptok: gringo loco! [02:39] mneptok: yes now i've unlimited root in your machine [02:39] muahahaha [02:39] * ajmitch makes sure not to install any packages nxvl has touched [02:40] nxvl: be careful what you wish for. [02:40] heh [02:40] :P [02:40] nxvl: "i have root on your machine" is almost like saying, "i can use the water fountain at the leper colony!" [02:41] heh [02:41] yeah, one time a read someone saying "i wouldn't give him unlimited root on my machine" refering to motuship [02:41] and i liked the quote [02:41] :) [02:42] wonder if that works talking about romantic partners. [02:42] "Nice eyes, but I wouldn;t give her root on my machine, if you know what I mean ..." [02:42] * ajmitch should just go back to windows, to be safe [02:43] ajmitch: it hurts to parse that sentence [02:43] mneptok: that would be SO nerd [02:43] mneptok: why so, good sir? [02:44] go back to Windows. [02:44] to be *safe* [02:44] oh, the pain of unbridled, unapologetic irony [02:46] spyware & trojans on one side, MOTUs on the other [02:46] which would you pick? [02:46] MOTUs are cool [02:46] and you can check the code [02:46] but not for spywares & trojans [02:46] and some, such as myself, are devilishly good looking [02:47] see, he admits to being a devil [02:47] shocking admissions [02:47] * ajmitch blogs it for the world to know [02:47] we are nerds, what can you expect? [02:47] ajmitch: do not trust motus and do come nearer than 100 m to Windows. :D [02:47] nxvl: a healthy lack of sanity [02:47] you are asking to much [02:47] :D [02:48] * cody-somerville agrees. [02:48] * StevenK tries to determine the age of a file without resorting to find [02:48] I haven't been sane since 1996 [02:48] ajmitch: you don't know mneptok, don't you? [02:48] in person i mean [02:48] do not trust motus and do NOT come nearer than 100 m to Windows. [02:48] i am too tired. [02:49] nxvl: I have met him a couple of times [02:49] * StevenK is sitting about 2 metres away from a window [02:49] ajmitch: and you ask for sanity? [02:49] read what I wrote above [02:49] StevenK: the s makes a different [02:49] * ajmitch is sitting a few metres from some windows [02:50] More importantly, do not attempt to prove or disprove your windows are unbreakable [02:50] Especially if you're a few floors up [02:50] they are made of safety glass [02:50] You've never heard of the guy who said the same thing and then one day it actually broke and he fell to his death [02:50] "in a world without walls and fences, who needs Gates and Windows?" [02:51] maybe its better to be dead instead of suffering using Windows. [02:52] but the name Windows is a bit paradox. windows are usually transparent. [02:52] you can look through and see whats inside [02:57] but can you really? [02:58] my hardware window is transparent. if i look through it i can see the sky outside. [02:58] but maybe i am in a matrix. [03:00] how do i fix a debian-changelog-file-is-a-symlink? i am using cdbs. the source package is splittet to two binary package: x and x-data. the doc files of x are symlinked to the x-data doc files. [03:01] lintian is your friend [03:01] -i will tell you [03:01] bdrung: You can ignore it. That's because of an Ubuntu unique change to CDBS. [03:02] or you can file a bug against cdbs [03:02] There is a reason it's done that way. [03:02] And it can be turned off, if you read the code [03:03] StevenK: someone made a mistake? [03:03] which code? lintian? [03:03] nxvl: Why do you assume symlinking files is a mistake [03:04] bdrung: No, CDBS [03:05] StevenK: dunno, just makeing bad jokes about it, i haven't look closer to it [03:05] nxvl: It's done to save space on the CD, where space is at a premium. [03:08] to fix the lintian warning i can symlink the whole directory. [03:08] but i have no clue how to implement this in debian/rules [03:08] oh [03:09] fyi i am talking about bug 131538 [03:09] Launchpad bug 131538 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] htmlvalidator" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131538 === EagleSn is now known as EagleScreen [03:54] *sigh* [03:54] I think my laptop is developing a personality [03:54] The last two times I've opened up my music collection, its started playing "Stay Alive" as the first track [03:59] NCommander: create a lp-account for your laptop and ask him/her/it for helping to make ubuntu better. :D [04:00] Great, then we can have a cake and grief theory package in Ubuntu ;-) [05:42] good morning === fargiolas|afk is now known as fargiolas === fargiolas is now known as fargiolas|afk [06:49] it's just amazing how many people are submitting their patches / packages to the sponsoring queue [06:49] it's a lot of stuff coming in [06:49] and lot of work for us [06:49] :D [06:49] also in revu [06:49] * dholbach just reviewed a bunch of them [06:49] i've never seen a bigger revu queue [06:50] * nxvl is reviewing a revu package [06:50] look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-universe-sponsors/ [06:50] it speaks volumes [06:50] there is a list [06:50] * nxvl suscribes [06:50] 311K of mails this month [06:50] highest ever [06:51] and it's just the 26th :) [06:51] dholbach: i think the videos are making effect [06:51] that could well be [06:52] I'd be happy if that's the case :) [06:52] :D [06:55] dholbach: for sponsoring a REVU package i just need to do a normal sponsorship, don't i? [06:55] dholbach: or i need to do something special for it to be in NEW? [06:56] dholbach: btw, good morning! [06:56] hi folks. I am working on bug 260158. As I found out that the reason for the build failure is the use of deprecated macro by the upstream. It builds clean on Debian unstable becasue gtk version there seems to be 2.12 still. But intrepid already has 2.13 [06:56] Launchpad bug 260158 in gabedit "[ftbfs] 2.1.8-2 falils to build on intrepid pbuilder" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260158 [06:56] good morning nxvl [06:56] nxvl: once it has two ACKs you can just upload it [06:56] be sure to bounce the "accepted" mail to the motu mailing list [06:57] :D [06:57] slytherin told me that by changing some flag for using Depercated symbols in intrepid this could be solved. ANyone has furhter inputs or links would be very helpful [06:57] i will as soon as i get it [06:58] dholbach: Isn't it a more common practice to bounce the NEW one, rather than ACCEPTED? [06:58] tuxmaniac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags [06:58] tuxmaniac: that might help [06:58] tuxmaniac: not sure it will, but it may [06:59] thanks. let me check. [06:59] wgrant: excusez-moi - that's what I meant [06:59] :D [06:59] well, going to sleep now [06:59] read you later [06:59] sleep tight nxvl [06:59] i will forward the NEW mail in the morning [07:00] dholbach: thank you! have a nice day [07:00] tuxmaniac: It's likely that something's defining GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED; you should find out what, and stop it. [07:35] * apachelogger stumbles in [07:35] RAOF: thanks found the file. it was right there in the parent directory. once i commented out that macro definition, it builds fine on intrepid [07:36] is an almighty REVU admin around? [07:36] now for creating a dpatch, mail the upstream and then look out for sponsors. one FTBFS gone! :-) [07:51] problems with security.ubuntu.com port 80 ? [07:55] who would be interested to give a session about "working with debian" together with siretart? [07:56] we had a session about it at last Ubuntu Developer Week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0802/Debian - I'm sure that'd help preparing such a sesion [07:56] session [08:27] siretart, ajmitch, raphink, RainCT: please take a look at the issue on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-kde4 [08:32] Looks like it failed to unpack, and that's fallout [08:36] Looks more like somebody got a string slice wrong. [08:36] The a was amputated for some reason. [08:36] Anyone could review my two new packages (linux-meta-rt and linux-rt) on REVU? [08:36] Erm, that sounds a bit odd. [08:37] Isn't that likely to be almost identical to the kernel packages? [08:37] So shouldn't it go through kernel people who are likely to know what to look for in their ridiculously complicated packaging? [08:38] wgrant: Identical. I have disabled *.udeb generation (for Debian-installer). [08:39] It sounds like a very bad idea to have a duplicated kernel source. [08:39] wgrant: They (Ubuntu Kernel Team) say me to push -rt kernel into Universe through REVU with help of MOTUs. [08:39] wgrant: We have 2.6.25 also (for ports). :-) [08:40] Surely you want to Build-Depend on the linux-source package, and use your config [08:40] Oh, that is just absolutely lovely. [08:41] Please look as the size of the package: it works in that way. [08:41] Only config and rt patchset in the package. [08:41] I'm not sure how that's relevant to me not liking the idea of having duplication and older kernels in universe. [08:42] I don't like the idea much either [08:42] 2.6.27 just entered Intrepid, for example [08:42] Oh, so that'd be three versions? [08:42] Yes :-( [08:43] Please, no. [09:12] hi o/ [09:12] hi didrocks! are you still up for running a session with huats? [09:13] hi dholbach ! Yes, I will talk to huats when its network issues will be fixed [09:14] great [09:14] thanks didrocks [09:14] you're really welcome. We will keep you in touch :) [09:15] gracias mes amis! [09:16] merci mein Freund ^^ [09:17] :-) [09:18] morning everyone [09:18] hi huats [09:19] hey dholbach [09:19] how are you ? [09:20] good - how 'bout you? [09:20] I was just talking to didrocks about your planned UDW session [09:20] great too [09:20] :) [09:20] oh [09:20] do you think you guys can add your session https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep ? :) [09:20] we have skipped talking about that yesterday [09:20] we will right now [09:20] I'd like to announce it soon, so I'm chasing up a few speakers and the slots will soon be taken [09:20] and add ourself there... [09:21] sure [09:21] rock [09:21] :) [09:21] dholbach: sicne I am talking to you [09:21] I have fixed lots of stuffs in pywebkitgtk [09:21] james_w: was happy with it [09:21] you think it's good to go now? [09:22] yes I think [09:22] I'll check it out later [09:22] so I went to chase a few ack yesterday evening :) [09:22] hehe [09:22] at the UDS you mentionned that I should talk with asac about that one, so I did [09:22] he gave his +1 [09:22] NICE [09:23] I'll just try to fix something in harvest and check it out afterwards [09:23] and also nxvl did review too... but I'd like you to check it out if you can... [09:23] ok great :) [09:23] alright-y [09:23] thanks daniel [09:24] If you're bored, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=uus-pre-ff-810 has something interesting to do ;) [09:24] * dholbach reviewed a bunch of sponsoring items this morning [09:25] DktrKranz: I found out that this is the month with the most activity on the uus list [09:25] \o/ [09:25] dholbach: let me know when you signed pygtkwebkit off [09:25] dholbach: i can upload it ;) [09:25] so our contributors are doing a great job [09:25] asac: will do [09:26] Hi! I'd like to build a kernel module for my package repository which I use to install patched packages my servers. For all other packages I use pbuilder. Is there a way to build a kernel module using pbuilder? [09:27] morning asac [09:27] :) [09:27] dholbach: if we can review/upload these before FF, it would be great. I processed some during weekend, I'll probably have some this evening, but we're going fast and should fix most of them in time [09:27] hi huats [09:27] DktrKranz: I'll make them a priority - thanks for triaging them [09:28] my pleasure. I'll do another queue scan to see if there are some missing bugs and tag them accordingly, just to give them a chance [09:29] DktrKranz: do you think it'd make sense to mail ubuntu-devel@ about them to get another few sponsors involved? [09:32] I sent an announcment on ubuntu-motu friday, I'm not sure more sponsors will come if we send it to ubuntu-devel as well, but can be worth trying [09:33] DktrKranz: or dholbach if by any chance you have some time left : http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=tktreectrl [09:33] (I already have a +1 in the comments by pitti, and almost the second one by norsetto who is on holidays...) [09:34] DktrKranz: gracias! [09:37] huats: I'm not a tcl/tk expert, so I'm not a valid reviewer here, but I could have a look this evening. If you're around, ping :) [09:37] :) [09:37] ok thanks DktrKranz :) [09:37] but don't worry [09:38] I'll try to find a review before that to get the remaining +1 :) [09:38] thanks a lot anyway :) [09:38] if you find someone with a good tcl knowledge, it would be great [09:39] that is the hard part.. [09:39] Could someone please point me to some documentation about building a kernel module package on a development machine (to be installed on another machine with a different kernel)? [09:39] * DktrKranz needs to learn tcl/tk packaging a bit [09:39] pitti has some (he has already packaged some) so his +1 is important to me :) [09:40] DktrKranz: you can look at this package if you want :) [09:40] I'm curious to see if Debian has some policy in place [09:40] DktrKranz: there is [09:41] huats: have you some references to it? [09:41] so I can look at it and learn :) [09:41] huats: I just gave a quick look at tktreectrl: if you rename the manpage from .n to .3tcl should you move it also from mann to man3? [09:41] G'morning. [09:42] oh... this one maybe? http://pkg-tcltk.alioth.debian.org/tcltk-policy.html/ [09:42] geser: it is done by dh_installmanpages I think [09:42] (well in that case it is :)) [09:42] DktrKranz: yes it is [09:43] or dh_installman [09:43] :) [09:47] geser: isn't the case for you ? [09:48] huats: it is now. I just looked at the debian/rules file but did a test-build now too. [09:48] :) [10:46] Could someone please point me to some documentation about building a kernel module package on a development machine (to be installed on another machine with a different kernel)? [10:47] flohack: I don't think a module compiled for a particular kernel will always be compatible with other kernel. [10:48] personally i'm a big fan of DKMS [10:48] it's a nice evolution of the module-assistant principle [10:49] slytherin: It won't be but it doesn't matter about the running kernel, only the kernel headers you point it at. [10:59] http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6896 [11:08] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/DkmsDriverPackage and http://video.ubuntu.com/development/packaging-kernel-modules-with-dkms.ogg [11:09] slytherin: That's not a requirement, it's fine if I have to recompile and module whenever a kernel upgrade comes in [11:09] slytherin: I just need to compile it for a specific kernel version ( the one running on the server ) [11:15] broonie: Can I tell m-a to compile the module against a specific kernel-headers package [11:16] flohack: YYes. [11:16] flohack: IIRC you're looking for the -l option [11:17] broonie: Thanks, that was what I was looking for. [11:21] http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox [11:21] uhm sorry for the link [11:22] firefox do automatic copy-paste [11:22] huh [11:22] stop reading my mail! [11:22] laga: lol [11:24] Someone know why REVU doesn't work with gtk-kde4 package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-kde4 [11:25] so... [11:25] revu broke? [11:26] or is it just me [11:26] only kde-gtk4 [11:26] henrik-kabelkaos: Can DKMS be used on Hardy with the supported kernel? [11:30] flohack: yes. i use it for the vhba-dkms package. === bigon` is now known as bigon [11:35] flohack: basically the package just copies the sources+dkms.conf to /usr/local/src/yourpackage-version/ and the postinst script calls dkms to install the module for your running kernel. (it also installs hooks to auto-install for new kernels) [12:31] hi folks [12:32] Hello sistpoty [12:32] hi Iulian [12:40] could someone with a bit of perl knowledge check my work here please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/40644/ [12:40] james_w: Ew! [12:41] :-) [12:41] james_w: Where did you learn Perl? :-P [12:41] james_w: Use backreferenes, for the love of all that is good. [12:42] the regexes aren't mine, they are cribbed from dpkg [12:42] james_w: Which is why they read like crap [12:44] james_w: Okay, so essentially, you want to read $message and grab Bug #[\d]* and LP #[\d]* [12:44] ? [12:44] actually I can probably use the dpkg ones [12:44] they are in a library after all [12:44] james_w: perhaps you can at least add a source code reference as comment, if you want them guaranteed to be in sync [12:44] james_w: You probably can, but my suggestion is to in this case you want to use backreferences so you can push(@debian_closes, $1); [12:45] StevenK: note that a Closes: statement can reference several bug numbers, and each of them must be closed individually [12:45] Er, yes. [12:45] I don't think the code handles that .. [12:46] Nope, it doesn't [12:47] hello, I wanted to know if it was possible to add a new package in the officials depositories for the current version of ubuntu, or if the new packages only appear for new releases of ubuntu [12:48] Yaitanes: Only for new releases, but once it's in the new release, it can generallly be backported to the current release. [12:48] in fact, I've developped a program (http://launchpad.net/gconjugo), and I wish to add it, whereas it's not finished [12:51] ScottK-laptop: You looked involved with the Phusion Passenger discusson on UUS, can you remind me what happened with it? === Kopfi|offline is now known as Kopfgeldjaeger [12:51] StevenK: I have no idea. Is there a bug I can look at to refresh my old, worn out memory? [12:52] StevenK: any more palatable? http://paste.ubuntu.com/40648/ [12:53] james_w: A little. Your foreaches are not Perl-ish :-P [12:53] StevenK: what's the idiom? [12:53] ScottK-laptop: so after the 28th, it would be possible to add a package in intrepid+1, and to backport it easily? [12:54] james_w: I can remember the Python idiom, which is map, I don't think that's the Perl-y one [12:54] Yaitanes: As long as the package doesn't require any other packages not in Intrepid, yes. [12:54] Oh yeah, map is it [12:55] ScottK-laptop: ok thanks [12:56] ScottK-laptop: Bug 246719 [12:56] Launchpad bug 246719 in ubuntu "Phusion Passenger [needs packaging]" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246719 [12:56] * ScottK-laptop looks [12:57] StevenK: No. I kvetched a lot about Rails not respecting the packaging system on devel-discuss, but beyond that, I don't think so. [12:58] That's just Rails developers being "OMG is 2 minor releases behind!! Sky falling!! Must have gems!!" [12:59] Right, I so don't want whatever they feel like shoving into their gem coming ahead of the installed stuff in the system path. [13:00] StevenK: thanks, uses map now. [13:00] ScottK-laptop: Agreed [13:00] james_w: Share? :-) [13:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/40650/ [13:02] james_w: Looks good to me [13:02] thanks [13:02] hello james_w and ScottK [13:02] hey huats [13:03] Hello huats [13:04] * StevenK mumbles [13:05] Oh, *ew* [13:05] ScottK-laptop: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/passenger-0808222010/passenger-2.0.3/debian/postinst [13:06] * soren cringes [13:06] Ouch. [13:07] argh [13:07] Heh [13:07] And no one mentioned that on REVU [13:08] I'd really really like Passenger in Intrepid, but ... [13:09] Urrrrrrrgh. [13:10] yeah, that should definitely be a debconf warning [13:10] No, that should definitely be immediate rejection. [13:10] What wgrant said [13:10] heh, j/k ;) [13:10] Packages don't subvert the packaging system upon install [13:11] Or if they do, we remove them. [13:11] But it's for RoR, so surely it's OK. [13:11] ScottK-laptop: Good point. [13:11] RoR seems to like ignoring it otherwise. [13:11] * StevenK sobs, and ponders killing some kittens. Cute ones. [13:12] * wgrant restrains StevenK, and sends him after some Rails developers instead. [13:13] Oh, I know why. debian/ is in the upstream tarball [13:13] Which is just as bad [13:13] * wgrant chokes. [13:13] I'm wondering if that postinst ever makes its way into any debs. [13:13] soren: Reading the .diff.gz, it may not [13:14] * soren test-builds [13:14] However, any source shipping that file would get REJECTed very quickly [13:14] (I daresay) [13:14] I hope. === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [13:17] I think lintian should pick up on that [13:17] "You have an .orig.tar.gz and debian/ inside it, you bozo" [13:18] StevenK: Maybe an implicit shutdown as well. [13:19] wgrant: And 'rm -rf /' if they say no to installing fastthread from gems === Syntux_ is now known as Syntux [13:20] or yes. [13:20] Haha [13:23] Do we know if that is the real postinst yet? [13:23] soren was test building it [13:24] Brave. [13:25] Hi everybody. Good evening. I would like to put forward review/sponsor request for bug 260158. Thanks in advance [13:25] Launchpad bug 260158 in gabedit "[ftbfs] 2.1.8-2 falils to build on intrepid pbuilder" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260158 [13:26] I have this feeling the first three lines in .install aren't needed either [13:28] After reviewing that package, I need a strong drink. [13:29] wgrant, StevenK: I was, but I gave up. The rubygems dependency couldn't be fulfilled, and I don't want a bunch of ruby crap installed on my system just so that I can dpkg-buildpackage -S. [13:30] soren, wgrant: Note on REVU: "Note: depends upon the RubyGems package in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ruby/+archive which provides the default ’rubygems’ package missing in the main archive version." [13:30] Which is bad too :-/ [13:31] is there a way to list out those source packages which belong to Category "Electronics" or such in Harvest? Just like appending pkg=gedit for specific package? [13:31] StevenK: Ah. Well, there's not way I'm adding that to my sbuild chroot. [13:32] * soren deletes $HOME/src/horror-show again [13:32] Haha [13:32] fastthread is useless. it's just FUD. [13:32] soren: Might shred be more safe? [13:33] A Cobalt bomb might be safer still [13:33] lucas: Tell that to the RoR developers [13:34] they are probably aware of that, but some third-party apps developers still believe in that [13:34] everything that was in fasthread was merged in ruby at least one year ago [13:34] using fasthread now just reintroduces bugs that were fixed in ruby since then [13:35] But bugs are fun. [13:36] only fixed bugs a re fun ones [13:39] about ruby/fastthread: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472702 [13:39] Debian bug 472702 in ruby1.8 "ruby1.8: thread implementation has "a couple serious bugs"" [Normal,Closed] [13:39] conclusion is: === asac_ is now known as asac [13:39] He said that Ruby 1.8.6 p110 was merged (backport) with fastthread, and that the [13:39] current situation is opposite. fastthread 1.0.1 does not yet fix an issue that [13:39] Ruby 1.8.6 p110 has fixed. You should not use fastthread 1.0.1 with Ruby 1.8.6 [13:39] p110 or later. [13:43] ruby1.8 | 1.8.6.111-2ubuntu1.1 | hardy-security | source, amd64, i386 [13:44] dholbach: ping [13:45] laszlok: pong [13:45] Laney: Sure. Fire away and link me. [13:46] jpds: Hm? [13:46] Laney: semantik. [13:46] jpds: Oh right. I put them on the bug [13:46] dholbach: we've done a jokosher release and we were wondering if there is time to get an updated package in intrepid [13:47] laszlok: absolutely [13:47]