| asac | huats: how long does it take bfore it shows up? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| asac | its not there yet ;) | 00:01 |
| asac | 30 minutes? | 00:01 |
| huats | 5 minutes usually | 00:01 |
| huats | it is now :) | 00:02 |
| asac | why is there no debdiff? | 00:02 |
| huats | you have the debdiff next the previous upload | 00:03 |
| asac | oh | 00:03 |
| huats | :) | 00:03 |
| fta | (X crashed) | 00:05 |
| huats | asac: thanks for the comment | 00:12 |
| huats | I'll talk with daniel tomorrow | 00:12 |
| huats | good night guys | 00:12 |
| bdrung | asac: PING | 01:20 |
| bdrung | sorry, capslock | 01:20 |
| bdrung | asac: ping | 01:51 |
| dholbach | hi guys | 05:57 |
| dholbach | what would you think about running a session at Ubuntu Developer Week? | 05:57 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep still has some free slots and I'm sure people would be interested in learning more about what you do | 05:57 |
| asac | bdrung: poing | 08:44 |
| asac | bug 259503 | 09:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 259503 in network-manager "MASTER NetworkManager 0.7 crashed with SIGSEGV in nm_device_get_act_request()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259503 | 09:06 |
| dholbach | hiya asac | 09:08 |
| dholbach | could you guys agree on a time and date for the Mozilla team session at UDW? :) | 09:08 |
| asac | dholbach: you are awake far too early ;) | 09:09 |
| asac | like at 6:57 ;) | 09:09 |
| asac | i think it must be the dog :-D | 09:09 |
| dholbach | earlier than that :-) | 09:09 |
| dholbach | Mimi had to get up early again | 09:09 |
| dholbach | and if I go to sleep after waking up already, I'd sleep until 12 or something | 09:09 |
| asac | dholbach: then do it ;) | 09:10 |
| dholbach | nahhhh :) | 09:10 |
| asac | that would make you available till 8 :-D | 09:10 |
| dholbach | rather later :) | 09:10 |
| asac | dholbach: jazzva wasnt here yesterday. i hope he will be today. Ill let you know asap. if you take preliminary reservation use Thu 4th Sep 1900 UTC | 09:13 |
| asac | <reserved for mozillateam> .... "to be announced" | 09:13 |
| dholbach | asac: alright | 09:13 |
| asac | Id like to speak to him first, as he is doing most extensnion organization here | 09:13 |
| dholbach | ok... added | 09:14 |
| dholbach | please update as soon as you know :) | 09:14 |
| asac | maybe we should make a conter-session "a xul browser in xml" :) | 09:14 |
| asac | dholbach: can you make the launchpad id thing go away from wiki? | 09:15 |
| asac | i am constantly logged out :( | 09:15 |
| dholbach | asac: no | 09:15 |
| dholbach | asac: best to ask in #launchpad about it | 09:15 |
| dholbach | I have no idea what's going on there | 09:15 |
| asac | it was so perfect before | 09:16 |
| asac | nobody needs openid there ;) | 09:16 |
| asac | just my daily rant ... so ignore that ;) | 09:16 |
| dholbach | I'm happy for all kinds of sessions you add | 09:17 |
| dholbach | more power to the mozilla team! :) | 09:17 |
| asac | finally ;) | 09:22 |
| bdrung | asac: the license question of htmlvalidator is solved | 09:48 |
| asac | bdrung: ok | 09:48 |
| asac | bdrung: please update the bug when you have everything addressed (or tell me when you dont agree - i might have again forgotten anything) | 09:49 |
| asac | ;) | 09:49 |
| asac | i was a bit confused, because i thought that it was already in bzr | 09:49 |
| asac | but i guess thats just my flaky brain again? | 09:50 |
| bdrung | give me some hours and you will have your bzr branches and a fixed package | 09:51 |
| asac | that would be awesome | 09:52 |
| asac | bdrung: you should see lintian warnings/errors (if there are any) if you use debuild -b to test build | 09:53 |
| bdrung | i fixed the lintian warnings | 09:53 |
| bdrung | already | 09:53 |
| asac | bdrung: i'd like to upload this today ... so we dont have to ask for freeze exception | 09:53 |
| bdrung | last night | 09:53 |
| asac | ah | 09:53 |
| asac | good | 09:53 |
| asac | bdrung: you remember how to do bzr? | 09:53 |
| bdrung | yes | 09:53 |
| asac | e.g. first commit == upstream commit ... then do the packaging on top= | 09:54 |
| asac | = | 09:54 |
| asac | argh | 09:54 |
| bdrung | its easy | 09:54 |
| asac | ? | 09:54 |
| asac | yeah | 09:54 |
| bdrung | my brain is mot flaky. ;) | 09:54 |
| asac | dholbach: so when i sponsor something from the sponsoring queue, should i leave the sponsorship team subscribed? | 10:03 |
| asac | maybe thats useful for statistics at some point? | 10:03 |
| dholbach | asac: just leave it as it subscribed - that's fine | 10:04 |
| asac | ok. i think i removed the team in some previous uploads. wont do that anymore then. | 10:05 |
| asac | dholbach: sponsoring queue cleared. | 10:05 |
| * dholbach hugs super-asac | 10:05 | |
| dholbach | thanks a lot for that | 10:05 |
| asac | dholbach: well ... i still suck. | 10:05 |
| dholbach | no no no :) | 10:05 |
| asac | will take a quick lock at a few from universe, or am i not supposed to touch them? | 10:06 |
| asac | like mplayer, xine-plugin | 10:06 |
| dholbach | feel free to do a few :) | 10:06 |
| * dholbach hugs asac some more | 10:06 | |
| asac | dholbach: what does it mean when there is no assignee? does it meant that you havent pre-screened the bug? or that you just havent assigned anyone? | 10:07 |
| dholbach | not assigned to anyone | 10:08 |
| asac | dholbach: people tend to just submit debdiff against debian package ... thats fine | 10:09 |
| asac | is there an easy way to grab the debian sid package= | 10:09 |
| asac | ? | 10:09 |
| asac | easy == one command? | 10:09 |
| dholbach | hang on | 10:09 |
| asac | ok ... i subscribe myself to those that i am working on (to make me show up on the dholbach blame list :)) | 10:11 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/40600/ - I'm sure there's a much much easier way, but I didn't fancy messing up my sources.list :) | 10:11 |
| dholbach | and I use grab-attachments from ubuntu-dev-tools a lot | 10:12 |
| asac | would that script make sense in ubuntu-dev-tools too? | 10:12 |
| dholbach | I don't know | 10:12 |
| dholbach | I'm sure there are more elegant solutions | 10:13 |
| asac | i remember that i sometimes gave up because i didnt want to bother to grab the debian bits manually | 10:13 |
| asac | dholbach: the grab-attachment could parse the debdiff ... then see if there is the right debian version and get it ;) | 10:13 |
| asac | of course this depends on submitters using the right file name | 10:13 |
| dholbach | it doesn't work for incoming or experimental | 10:14 |
| asac | but most do i think | 10:14 |
| dholbach | so a clever script using dget -x might be better | 10:14 |
| asac | dholbach: yeah. you could walk sid + experimental: | 10:14 |
| asac | e.g. if the version isnt in sid, try experiemntal | 10:14 |
| asac | incoming ... of course not | 10:14 |
| asac | is incoming public at all? | 10:14 |
| asac | why would something hang in incoming for a long time? | 10:14 |
| asac | i only can imagine queue new, but i think thats not public to prevent warez to be spread until someone reviews the bits | 10:15 |
| asac | fta: are you there? | 10:15 |
| dholbach | asac: I used incoming a couple of times when it was only processed daily | 10:15 |
| asac | ah | 10:15 |
| asac | yeah. but for this script thats an ignorable use-case then | 10:16 |
| asac | i usually visit these bugs later than the day the package went to incoming ;) | 10:16 |
| dholbach | right | 10:16 |
| asac | let me test this script ;) | 10:17 |
| asac | i happily pulls the packages files ;) | 10:17 |
| asac | and gets the package | 10:18 |
| asac | well done | 10:18 |
| dholbach | a small shell script would do it probably too :) | 10:19 |
| dholbach | I wrote that script ages ago | 10:20 |
| dholbach | s/small/tiny | 10:20 |
| bdrung | asac: a question about bzr: i have a branch A. then i branch it to B. A and B gets modified. Now I want to merge the changes from A to B. how do I do that? | 11:01 |
| bdrung | bzr branch A? | 11:01 |
| bdrung | bzr merge A? | 11:01 |
| asac | bdrung: you go to branch B and do bzr merge A | 11:02 |
| asac | then bzr commit | 11:02 |
| bdrung | thx | 11:02 |
| gnomefreak | asac: i made one final adjustment to firegpg branch so its ready when you are. | 12:56 |
| * asac looking | 12:56 | |
| gnomefreak | dr has me on limited pc time since my wrist isnt getting better but getting worse, i will work on chatzilla for a bit this morning | 12:56 |
| asac | gnomefreak: take it easy. chatzilla would be nice though | 12:58 |
| asac | :-P | 12:58 |
| gnomefreak | i cant remember where i left off so i will look it over first ;) | 13:02 |
| gnomefreak | we dont have a bug on spell checking with ff3 do we? | 13:02 |
| asac | gnomefreak: does firegpg work for you at all? | 13:05 |
| gnomefreak | asac: yep | 13:05 |
| gnomefreak | i have been using it since we fixed the unable to install bug | 13:06 |
| asac | gnomefreak: there is a native windows component in it | 13:06 |
| asac | the complete components/ dir is non-source | 13:06 |
| asac | we need to build those from source | 13:07 |
| asac | (the FireGPGCall directory has the source) | 13:07 |
| asac | and remove all files in components/ from the .upstream branch | 13:07 |
| gnomefreak | all files as in all files or all native windows files? | 13:08 |
| asac | gnomefreak: no ... all files from components/ need to be removed from .upstream | 13:12 |
| asac | all need to be produced during build time | 13:12 |
| asac | also IFireGPGCall.xpt and IFireGPGCall.h need to be removed from upstream and produced during build | 13:13 |
| gnomefreak | ok noted. i will look at it and finish it before chatzilla works conitnues | 13:15 |
| gnomefreak | anyone working on f-spot Importeer addon? | 13:15 |
| gnomefreak | i have an email from creater/author/upstream dev | 13:16 |
| gnomefreak | its a tbird one i thing | 13:16 |
| gnomefreak | think | 13:16 |
| asac | gnomefreak: i have the patch for you | 13:20 |
| asac | gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40652/ | 13:20 |
| asac | you need to patch it that way ... and then run cd FireGPGCall/; make | 13:21 |
| asac | and cp FireGPGCall/*.xpt FireGPGCall/*.so components/ | 13:21 |
| asac | in build.sh | 13:21 |
| asac | (all assuming that you remove the files above from .upstream) | 13:22 |
| gnomefreak | ok will remove all and add patch after commiting | 13:25 |
| gnomefreak | ok noone has added f-spot importer to extension page but im getting email from author of it? | 13:27 |
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| gnomefreak | maybe ill look into f-spot extension when i get caught up, if anyone wants info i have and add it to extension page let me know | 13:43 |
| gnomefreak | Server is too old for streaming pull, reconnecting. (Upgrade the server to Bazaar 1.2 to avoid this) | 13:43 |
| gnomefreak | that kind of bothers me | 13:43 |
| gnomefreak | asac: you had no issue pulling my branch? or did you look on the branch page? | 13:47 |
| asac | gnomefreak: i pulled it | 13:47 |
| gnomefreak | was it slow? | 13:48 |
| gnomefreak | took me 5 minutes to pull .upstream | 13:48 |
| asac | gnomefreak: ok i am pushing the almost done package to ~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/firegpg.ubuntu/ | 13:51 |
| asac | please get that and merge the new .upstream (with removed files) in there | 13:51 |
| asac | then try to build and fix the few lintian warning that are left | 13:51 |
| asac | gnomefreak: remember to remove all the .svn directories too | 13:53 |
| asac | and all thef iles i named above | 13:53 |
| asac | (from upstream) | 13:53 |
| asac | let me know | 13:53 |
| gnomefreak | asac: you do want me to remove FireGPGCall/*.xpt from componants as well? | 13:58 |
| asac | gnomefreak: everything from that directory ... yes. | 14:20 |
| gnomefreak | asac: ok thanks, i may be going on a road trip to a hospital in virgina my uncle i being taken from nursing home to hospital he has als, demetia, and something else i cant recall | 15:11 |
| jdstrand | asac (or anyone really): have you seen any oddities with firefox-3.0 not starting if the network is flaky? | 16:20 |
| jdstrand | I am in a hotel, and I need to use ff to accept the wifi usage agreement. yesterday, ff3 would not start at all when I needed to re-register (ie, registered once for a 24hour period, shut computer off, turned computer on after 24 hours was up (so had to re-register)) | 16:22 |
| jdstrand | I haven't looked at it much yet. this is on intrepid | 16:23 |
| asac | jdstrand: hmm | 16:25 |
| asac | jdstrand: only thing i am aware of is that there have been claims that firefox is dying if there is no lo interface | 16:26 |
| jdstrand | asac: I have that. it's very odd and I doubt I'll be able to reproduce it, but I'll try if/when I have time | 16:28 |
| jdstrand | thanks | 16:28 |
| jdstrand | (reproduce it reliably that is) | 16:28 |
| asac | hmm. then i dont know | 16:29 |
| asac | if there is a crash i certainly would like to see the backtrace | 16:29 |
| asac | is that on intrepid | 16:29 |
| asac | ? | 16:30 |
| bdrung | asac: look 8 lines above: he uses intrepid | 16:32 |
| bdrung | asac: pushed htmlvalidator.upstream | 16:50 |
| bdrung | asac: htmlvalidator is ready | 17:36 |
| asac | bdrung: wqhy is the compelte debian packaging checked in witha comment "open tree ..." ? | 18:19 |
| asac | fta: i need a new mozclient feature | 18:24 |
| fta | hi | 19:36 |
| fta | asac, shoot | 19:36 |
| fta | mozilla Bug 451909 | 19:50 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 451909 in Build Config "kill MOZ_XUL_APP now that all apps set it" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=451909 | 19:50 |
| asac | fta: injectino of subdirs to the mozilla tree during orig.tar.gz business | 19:52 |
| asac | injection | 19:52 |
| asac | ;) | 19:52 |
| fta | from where ? | 19:53 |
| asac | from bzr ;) | 19:53 |
| fta | hm, a list of bzr urls ? or one url + a list of dirs ? | 19:53 |
| asac | like: MOZ_ADD_SOURCE_BRANCH=http://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/branding | 19:54 |
| asac | fta: i dont ming. if it merges existing trees (e.g. just copy), just a url should be enough | 19:54 |
| fta | subdirs are tricky.. same problem with hg | 19:56 |
| fta | there's no sub-co | 19:56 |
| fta | i need to think about it | 19:56 |
| asac | fta: yeah. thats why i say ... just assume that the directory structure is complete | 19:56 |
| asac | e.g. just copy the content to the top level of tree | 19:57 |
| fta | Bug 1084 | 20:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1084 in mozilla-thunderbird "Turn on full headers or long To: list and there is no scroll bar" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1084 | 20:29 |
| fta | (small bug id !?) | 20:29 |
| asac | yeah ... rotten old bug | 20:29 |
| asac | thought that was fixed in 2.0 | 20:29 |
| asac | but apparently not ;) | 20:30 |
| fta | ** Also affects: seamonkey | 20:30 |
| sebner | asac: thx for sponsoring xine-lib :) | 20:31 |
| asac | sebner: oh. was that you? | 20:35 |
| asac | good ;) | 20:35 |
| asac | i just grabbed a random other package i think :) | 20:35 |
| sebner | asac: ^^ Stefan Ebner -> sebner :P | 20:36 |
| sebner | asac: ha! this means you are a sponsor and have to comment my motu application :P | 20:38 |
| asac | yeah. though one merge isnt really good database ;) | 20:39 |
| sebner | asac: ah sry it was xine-plugin xD. hmm not happy with one merge? I also have many syncs to ACK :P | 20:41 |
| bdrung | asac: about what are you complaining? | 20:46 |
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| fta | ix:~/bzr/xulrunner-1.9.head$ bzr log -r1 | head -5 | 21:45 |
| fta | ------------------------------------------------------------ | 21:45 |
| fta | revno: 1 | 21:45 |
| fta | committer: Fabien Tassin <fta@sofaraway.org> | 21:45 |
| fta | branch nick: xulrunner.ubuntu.trunk | 21:45 |
| fta | timestamp: Sat 2007-08-25 01:28:57 +0000 | 21:45 |
| fta | asac, ^^ yeahhh, 1 year | 21:45 |
| fta | 329 rev, not that bad | 21:47 |
| fta | 426 including the merges | 21:48 |
| fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/40753/ | 21:50 |
| asac | ok | 22:20 |
| asac | fta: nice | 22:20 |
| asac | ;) | 22:20 |
| asac | Jazzva: hi | 22:20 |
| asac | welcome back | 22:20 |
| Jazzva | asac, hey... thanks :) | 22:21 |
| Jazzva | finally sent documentation two hours ago :) | 22:21 |
| Jazzva | and I'll finish nspluginwrapper now, and then push it | 22:21 |
| asac | fta: did you reply to stefan yet? | 22:21 |
| asac | Jazzva: all fine ;) ... no need t hurry | 22:21 |
| asac | we sill have tomorrow ;) | 22:22 |
| asac | Jazzva: i have something else | 22:22 |
| asac | fta: for you too ;) | 22:22 |
| fta | asac, not yet, still in my draft folder | 22:22 |
| asac | fta: ok. | 22:22 |
| fta | for me too ? | 22:22 |
| asac | we ended up here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep | 22:23 |
| asac | curren title "Surprise Session" - MOzillaTeam | 22:23 |
| asac | ;) | 22:23 |
| bdrung | asac: what was your question about htmlvalidator.ubuntu branch all about? | 22:23 |
| asac | bdrung: we have 2 revisions: | 22:24 |
| asac | 1. upstream (fine) | 22:24 |
| asac | 2. "open tree for development" | 22:24 |
| asac | 2 comprises the whole debian/ directory | 22:24 |
| asac | which doesnt really fall under "open tree for devlopment" to me ;) | 22:24 |
| asac | maybe its a confusion of wording ;) | 22:24 |
| Jazzva | asac, ah... surpsrise session? so, we have to find something to talk about? | 22:24 |
| asac | "Open tree" mean, that just the changelog gets bumped to the next ;) | 22:24 |
| asac | Jazzva: yes. we are supposed to provide a title ;) | 22:25 |
| bdrung | yes. i should call it "initial debian package" or something | 22:25 |
| asac | right | 22:25 |
| asac | please do that ... and keep the changelog targetted for UNRELEASED in that commit | 22:25 |
| bdrung | asac: how can i change this commit name? | 22:25 |
| Jazzva | asac, do we have an idea what are we going to talk about? :) | 22:25 |
| asac | we want to have final "just changelog" commits that read: "release XYZ-0ubuntu to ubuntu/intrepid" | 22:25 |
| asac | which basically is just a commit with target intrepid + updated time | 22:26 |
| asac | bdrung: you can only uncommit | 22:26 |
| asac | and commit again | 22:26 |
| asac | and the push --overwrite | 22:26 |
| asac | Jazzva: no. thats why i am asking you and fta ;) | 22:26 |
| asac | can be everything :) ... like: building a xulbrowser with xulrunner ;) | 22:27 |
| Jazzva | asac, introduction to mozilla-devscripts :)? (just brainstorming here) | 22:27 |
| asac | yeah | 22:27 |
| asac | we could also use "mozilla team procedure intro" | 22:27 |
| asac | or just "intro to mozilla team" ;) | 22:27 |
| Jazzva | as far as I understood, there is a whole lot of scripts in there, and people usually ask about "how to build XY", so maybe we could explain then | 22:28 |
| Jazzva | mozilla team procedure intro == the way we work? | 22:28 |
| asac | right. but maybe just one agenda item in the session? | 22:28 |
| bdrung | asac: "Initial Debian packaging" or do you have a better name? | 22:28 |
| Jazzva | bdrung, I think "Initial release" or "Initial upload" are common | 22:29 |
| fta | i use "Initial release" | 22:29 |
| asac | bdrung: if you import targetted for intrepid (in changelog), use "* import of packageing and RELEASE 0.x.x-0ubuntu1 to ubuntu/intrepdi" | 22:30 |
| asac | or "* initial import of packageing and RELEASE 0.x.x-0ubuntu1 to ubuntu/intrepdi" | 22:30 |
| asac | ;) | 22:30 |
| fta | oh, commit log, not 1st changelog entry | 22:30 |
| fta | nm | 22:30 |
| bdrung | intrepedi <- nice :D | 22:30 |
| asac | fta: commit log | 22:30 |
| asac | intrapedia ;) | 22:31 |
| asac | fta: Jazzva: the other point i have is to get name suggests for a generic/while-label browser name ;) | 22:32 |
| fta | [reed], I crash a lot with jit | 22:32 |
| asac | i currently tend to ubuntu-xulbrowser ;) | 22:32 |
| [reed] | fta: yeah | 22:32 |
| [reed] | fta: they're working on it | 22:32 |
| [reed] | I have it off ;( | 22:32 |
| [reed] | er | 22:32 |
| [reed] | I have it off ;) | 22:32 |
| fta | I'd better turn it off too | 22:33 |
| Jazzva | asac, ubuntu-xulbrowser is fine... maybe even ubuntu-browser - avg user shouldn't be interested if it's xul, or webkit or something else... it should just work :) | 22:33 |
| asac | Jazzva: well. i dont want to occupy such a super generic name | 22:33 |
| asac | most likely gnome folks want that name too ;) | 22:33 |
| Jazzva | ah... | 22:33 |
| Jazzva | don't they have gnome-browser? or was it gnome-www-browser? | 22:33 |
| asac | gnome-www-browser :) | 22:34 |
| asac | its an alternative | 22:34 |
| asac | so nobody really owns it | 22:34 |
| Jazzva | aha... | 22:34 |
| asac | anyway, since the purpose is downstreams like gnewsense i even wonder if we should use something without ubuntu | 22:34 |
| bdrung | asac: done | 22:34 |
| bdrung | used now "import of packageing" and changed intrepid to UNRELEASED in changelog | 22:35 |
| Jazzva | taking in regard we shouldn't use something too generic... (ubuntu-)xulbrowser is fine IMO | 22:35 |
| asac | just xulbrowser? | 22:36 |
| Jazzva | sounds good | 22:37 |
| asac | what i dont like is that its not really a safe name | 22:37 |
| asac | it might qualify for a trademark | 22:37 |
| asac | which is a bit of a difficult thing | 22:37 |
| Jazzva | because of xul? | 22:37 |
| asac | yes. i think someone evil could reserve it and take it away | 22:38 |
| Jazzva | ubrowser? it has "u" for ubuntu... but it's not saying ubuntu :) | 22:38 |
| Jazzva | and it's not too generic | 22:38 |
| asac | we can prevent someting like that if we choose a word that cannot be trademarked | 22:38 |
| asac | which of course means a commonly used word ;) | 22:38 |
| asac | someone said that this is the reason why codenames for processors and such use city names or something ;) | 22:39 |
| asac | or rivers | 22:39 |
| asac | Jazzva: do you have a good river next to you? :) | 22:40 |
| Jazzva | sava and danube :) | 22:40 |
| fta | seine | 22:40 |
| Jazzva | hmm... not to be geo-specific... world-browser :P? | 22:41 |
| asac | yeah ;) | 22:41 |
| asac | i thought about that one too | 22:41 |
| asac | maybe that means that we should take it ;) | 22:41 |
| Jazzva | fta? | 22:41 |
| fta | yes | 22:42 |
| asac | awesome-browser ;) | 22:42 |
| bdrung | asac: now you can branch lp:~bdrung/firefox-extensions/htmlvalidator.ubuntu | 22:42 |
| asac | hehe | 22:42 |
| Jazzva | heh :) | 22:42 |
| asac | why not ... it has an awesomebar at least :-P | 22:42 |
| fta | what's the purpose of this, i lack context here | 22:42 |
| asac | fta: for downstreams that cannot deal with the restrictions and copyright imposed by firefox branding | 22:43 |
| asac | like gnewsense | 22:43 |
| asac | so the idea is to make a browser with a non-trademarkable name | 22:44 |
| asac | so we dont need to enforce trademarks and dont risk to loose the right to use that name by someone else claiming it | 22:44 |
| asac | bdrung: branching now | 22:45 |
| bdrung | k | 22:46 |
| asac | bdrung: did you include the complete .svn directories? | 22:46 |
| asac | or something? | 22:46 |
| bdrung | no | 22:46 |
| fta | asac, i don't understand, it's not what thos debian ice* are for ? even gnewsense like you said ? why something new ? | 22:46 |
| bdrung | asac: you can take the svn repo, run "autoreconf -i; ./configure; make dist" to generate a source package. | 22:47 |
| asac | fta: its not something new. its just giving downstreams like gnewsense a package that is completely free and they can do what they want :) ... this is a long-been-asked-for thing. | 22:47 |
| asac | fta: and ice* applications are burned | 22:48 |
| asac | the idea is to provide the same quality packages we do, that because of the branding undergo the same review and all | 22:48 |
| bdrung | asac: this is what i did. you can grab it from sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=134222&package_id=147401&release_id=619968 | 22:48 |
| fta | asac, so that's why you need this m-d feature.. i see now. | 22:49 |
| fta | what will it change for us ? | 22:49 |
| bdrung | asac: the extracted source package does not have any .svn files/directories or other trash. | 22:50 |
| asac | Before you make any fork of the code, you should request to the author | 22:50 |
| asac | if the changes that you want to add would not be better integrated with | 22:50 |
| asac | the original program. | 22:50 |
| asac | fta: not much. | 22:50 |
| asac | fta: i am currently looking how to do that. | 22:51 |
| asac | fta: the idea is to provide the "unbraded version" and if you install the firefox package it gets flipped to the official branding | 22:51 |
| bdrung | asac: this is a remark, but this is not legally binding | 22:51 |
| asac | ok | 22:51 |
| asac | not sure if the form is correct, but archive admin will take a look | 22:52 |
| asac | anyway | 22:52 |
| bdrung | if you have a suggestion for beeing correct for lawyers, you are welcome | 22:52 |
| bdrung | i do not know which words have which meaning in law | 22:53 |
| Jazzva | off for 30-60 mins | 22:57 |
| asac | bdrung: maybe say: Authors Note: (not part of the license) | 22:58 |
| asac | but i have no idea | 22:58 |
| asac | fta: i think its just mostly chrome thing and a few diverts of some images. so thing intrusive | 23:00 |
| asac | nothing ;) | 23:00 |
| bdrung | asac: the second pharagraph says, that it is licensed under GPLv3. so this should be enough it thought. | 23:01 |
| asac | well ... if you put two licenses in a license file it means it has two licenses ;) | 23:01 |
| asac | so if you add text, it might appear as "additional requirements" | 23:01 |
| asac | this is not must, but should so i dont think that it wouldnt be a problem | 23:02 |
| asac | bdrung: sgml-lib/ | 23:03 |
| asac | thats non-free from what i can see | 23:03 |
| asac | do we need that directory? | 23:03 |
| bdrung | for validating. | 23:04 |
| bdrung | yes | 23:04 |
| asac | thats not free :( | 23:05 |
| bdrung | the dtds are non-free? | 23:05 |
| bdrung | why? | 23:05 |
| asac | http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/ipr-notice-20021231 | 23:05 |
| asac | not sure | 23:06 |
| asac | maybe 2. is ok. but not being able to modify and such in a license is usually non-free | 23:06 |
| asac | why cant those be downloaded from the net? | 23:06 |
| asac | bdrung: maybe those files are already in the ubuntu ardhive? | 23:09 |
| bdrung | i opened sgml.dtd -> found link http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224 -> software licensing -> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/copyright-software-19980720 | 23:10 |
| asac | and you can depend on the package and link to the directory? | 23:10 |
| bdrung | good idea. | 23:10 |
| asac | tidy for instance already is | 23:10 |
| bdrung | i have to check if we could link tidy. it took me some month to change the build process for linking external opensp lib. | 23:12 |
| asac | fta: how easy is it to add support for a simply bzr branch checkout inside the tree? | 23:12 |
| asac | bdrung: yes. can be cumbersome | 23:12 |
| asac | but definitly worth any minute | 23:13 |
| asac | i mean maintaining source duplicates is a pain | 23:13 |
| bdrung | asac: the dtds are not a problem. there is w3c-dtd-xhtml in main and w3-dtd-mathml in universe | 23:13 |
| fta | asac, quite easy, it could even be just MOZCLIENT_POSTCOCMD | 23:13 |
| asac | especially if its something used in onlnie apps | 23:13 |
| fta | firefox-3.1.conf:#MOZCLIENT_POSTCOCMD = cd mozilla && python client.py checkout | 23:13 |
| asac | fta: what parameters/environment does POTCO tget? | 23:13 |
| asac | ah | 23:13 |
| fta | a full shell command | 23:13 |
| asac | ok | 23:13 |
| asac | yes. didnt know in what dir that would be | 23:13 |
| asac | fta: so could i say: MOZCLIENT_POSTCOCMD= bzr branch path/to/branding; cp -r branding/ mozilla/browser/ | 23:14 |
| bdrung | asac: i have to check how tidy was modified and if it is possible to link tidy. | 23:14 |
| fta | topdir (as from VCS), except if you use MOZCLIENT_WANTMOZDIR | 23:15 |
| asac | fta: is top dir always the directory where mozilla/ is in for us? | 23:15 |
| asac | or is that different? | 23:15 |
| asac | (e.g. xulrunner has a different layout than firefox) | 23:15 |
| asac | so everyone likes awesome-browser ;)? | 23:16 |
| fta | it's what you get when you do $MOZCLIENT_VCS $MOZCLIENT_VCS_LOC/$MOZCLIENT_PROJECT | 23:16 |
| asac | ok | 23:16 |
| asac | fta: will everything be tarred up later? | 23:17 |
| asac | e.g. even something next to mozilla? | 23:17 |
| asac | or dont i need to bother about cleaning up? | 23:17 |
| asac | or is ther a INCLUDE variable that defaults to SOMETHING ;) | 23:18 |
| fta | hmmmm, not sure. i don't remember | 23:18 |
| bdrung | asac: how to check where "bzr push" will push the branch? | 23:18 |
| asac | ok . i think i should clean up then ;) | 23:18 |
| asac | bdrung: bzr info | 23:18 |
| bdrung | thx | 23:19 |
| asac | bdrung: if its your own / private branch you can also use checkout ... which will automatically commit/uncommit in repo | 23:19 |
| fta | try 1st, maybe there's no need. in fact, if you use MOZCLIENT_WANTMOZDIR, it may not be needed | 23:19 |
| asac | bdrung: you can convert a full branch to a checkout branch by bzr bind URLTOBRANCH | 23:19 |
| asac | and bzr update after that | 23:19 |
| bdrung | no need to | 23:19 |
| asac | k | 23:19 |
| asac | fta: thanks | 23:20 |
| asac | looks easy ;) | 23:20 |
| asac | good work for providing hooks ;) | 23:20 |
| asac | lets see if there is a bug ;) | 23:20 |
| bdrung | asac: i only want to check it bzr push would push to .ubuntu or .upstream | 23:22 |
| bdrung | asac: i have updated the ubuntu branch | 23:22 |
| asac | bdrung: how? | 23:24 |
| bdrung | asac: added "Authors Note: (not part of the license)" | 23:25 |
| bdrung | asac: According to http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/IPR-FAQ-20000620.html, | 23:25 |
| bdrung | "while schemas and DTDs are frequently part of our specifications and | 23:25 |
| bdrung | seemingly fall under the document copyright terms, you may use them under | 23:25 |
| bdrung | the W3C Software License." | 23:25 |
| bdrung | and the W3C Software License is GPL compatible | 23:26 |
| asac | hmm | 23:27 |
| asac | ok | 23:27 |
| asac | please add that to the copyright as well | 23:27 |
| asac | e.g. that that directory is under that license | 23:27 |
| asac | but really, please search if those files exist in the archive | 23:28 |
| asac | i am pretty sure they exist | 23:28 |
| asac | no time to look them up | 23:28 |
| Jazzva | back... to work on nspluginwrapper :) | 23:32 |
| bdrung | asac: found them: sgml-data | 23:35 |
| bdrung | but the content is not 1:1 the same | 23:36 |
| asac | bdrung: how different are they? maybe the one in validator are outdated? | 23:41 |
| bdrung | asac: the file structure is different, the namings differer for some files slightly, and some files are missing (both ways) | 23:58 |
| asac | bdrung: shouldnt the file names not matter | 23:59 |
| asac | ? | 23:59 |
| asac | isnt there a dtd catalog that does that mapping | 23:59 |
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