[01:38] Spoke with Gnea about cutting down on the factoid usage, especially when they're irrelevent. He wasn't quite as cordial as I had hoped, but does understand the concept of the problem. [02:08] In #ubuntu-offtopic, mouseclone said: !cake is a great game [02:24] take a little. [02:24] take a little nip. [02:24] take a little sip. [02:24] take a little more. [03:09] Hmmm. Does nickserv have any sort of password reset now that emails are mandatory? [03:10] No, you still need to request it from a staffer [03:27] fyi, we're missing floodbot1, so the other bots are in emergency mode and allowing floods... just in case no one else noticed. [03:37] In #ubuntuforums-beginners, BLTicklemonster said: !ubot, what is the airspeed velocity of a laden sparrow? [03:38] taken care of. [03:40] Pici: did you ask "European, or African?" [03:40] mneptok: Of course [03:40] smashing. [03:40] and "airspeed velocity" is redundant. [03:44] its... unladen [03:44] unless youre talking about swallows with the coconuts attached to them, I suppose. [03:46] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [03:46] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [03:46] !staff [03:47] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary or PriceChild, I could use a bit of your time :) [03:49] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [03:49] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [04:10] you join and brb? [04:30] !staff BrokenRake [04:30] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [04:30] BAH [04:30] !staff [04:30] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary or PriceChild, I could use a bit of your time :) [04:30] ^^^ [04:31] mneptok: you missed a | [04:32] elky_work: yeah [04:33] mneptok: thanks [04:33] hilarity of the week. the boss just informed me that the PA (who used to be a flatmate of his) believed that 'the exorcist' was a documentary. [04:34] at least he didn;t think it was a cooking show teaching you how to prepare split-pea soup. [05:15] ok look I am here to get unbanned from the ubuntu channel. I was just looking for someone that was helping me out with ubuntu and wasn't trying to start any trouble [05:16] if anyone has the power please speak [05:17] anyone help me out please [05:20] look I am here to get advice on ubuntu because I am new to this and still learning and the only I will learn is to continue using this support so I am asking to please get unbanned [05:21] I will oblige by the rules of the channel [05:22] I am sorry for if I was trying to cause touble [05:22] I am asking to please be unbanned [05:25] can I be unbanned [05:25] you'll need patience and wait for someone with time to check up your situation. [05:27] ok I wasn't trying to cause trouble just looking for a good friend and I just got upset didin't cuz or anything just got upset and I didn't to break any rules [05:28] mean to break any rules just seeing if my friend would pop up [05:31] elky work let me know if I can be unbanned [05:34] can I be unbanned I do not cause trouble [05:35] robotgeek I know I was offtopic yesterday but I do not break rules I was actually trying to troubleshoot my comp because gaim issues [06:04] right, clearly the _work thing means "have time to lavish upon your whims" to that one [06:13] now he is doing the same in #kubuntu [06:50] doing which? being painful or begging for unbanning? [07:23] * Myrtti grunts [07:33] @btlogin [07:37] bazhang: I'm considering banning him due to his nick [07:38] Myrtti, good idea; imo there should be a factoid for those pushing the limits type nicks (britneybitch for example) [07:39] I'm checking in bantracker right now does he have anything previous [07:56] bazhang: the problem is where to draw the line, which the trolls will have a field day with [07:56] yup [07:56] and have done in the past, to be quite frank [07:56] the 'stupidgirl' nick is one such example [07:56] * Myrtti still remembers stupidgirl vaguely [07:56] :-P [07:58] it was discussed quite extensively, and ones like that can be a self-defense in a way "i know i'm stupid so you dont need to tell me -- just cut to the chase", and unless britneybitch is male, i'd assume it to be the same "help me now and dont you dare poke fun or i'll cause you trouble" [08:00] "I'm a damsel in distress and this is just so everyone knows how to handle me, as a stupid female that needs to be downtalked to" [08:00] neither should be tolerated, but people get really defensive if we ask for a little commonsense [08:00] yup [08:00] Myrtti: precisely [08:02] it is probably the mildest form of trolling too, it's designed to get attention and have people act in a fashion that they otherwise would not. [08:03] and I think it's also the one that we need to fight against the hardest too [08:03] since it is the mildest [08:03] difficult to notice, makes people if not knowingly, then sublimally acting and thinking the wrong way [08:04] and if you can come up with a plan that wont have everyone screaming censorship... [08:08] or http://identi.ca/myrtti : wonders how well an ubuntu/hellokitty parody would be understood as _PARODY_ of prejudiced "pink themes/wallpapers for girls" [09:04] hello to everyone [09:05] please can someone tell me who and why im banned? i dont get it, i didnt even know, i believe it was a ubuntu room problem or colloquy was not working properly [09:05] but now i see im banned, i didnt even know, someone ban me after i left, with no reason, and if there is one, i would love to know [09:10] which channel? [09:10] ubuntu [09:11] and i have my doubts.. of what happened. but im not sure.. i hope not [09:11] bakadesu: What do you think happened? [09:11] but what can i do for you to believe me? [09:11] well [09:12] i had a big quarrel in opensolaris room, they insult me without reason just cause i mention linux or [09:12] nexenta [09:12] so maybe when i was in that discussion i type by mistake in ubuntu room [09:12] and not solaris [09:12] but im not sure [09:13] bakadesu: what would you have typed? [09:13] actually im banned form solaris but i dont care.. [09:13] but ubuntu? come on i had been using ubuntu for years [09:13] bakadesu: no, just in general [09:13] well.. i was typing stuff like educate yourself [09:13] you ignorant morons [09:13] things like that [09:13] Flannel: I've got cut'n'paste here [09:13] shall I? [09:13] Myrtti: Ive got it too, you're welcome to paste if you'd like, sure. [09:14] 2008-08-25T10:06:06 fuck off [09:14] 2008-08-25T10:06:07 *** cuil has quit IRC ("Leaving.") [09:14] 2008-08-25T10:06:09 you are my bitch [09:14] 2008-08-25T10:06:11 come on [09:14] 2008-08-25T10:06:12 ban me [09:14] 2008-08-25T10:06:13 again [09:14] 2008-08-25T10:06:15 i will bak [09:14] yeah.. that was for opensolaris actually [09:14] when the ban i was eable to go back [09:14] and challenge them but i dont want to do in ubuntu you ban me and i will accept reponsiblity [09:14] bakadesu: regardless of who it was for, that sort of conduct isn't how you should behaving. [09:14] bakadesu: and also, ban evasion is a horrible thing. [09:14] and yes i see what happen.. why sould i write in ubuntu that [09:14] when iwas not banned [09:14] go ask solaris guys if you wish [09:15] that was for does guys [09:15] i swear god [09:15] i confuse the room [09:15] i was very bad [09:15] you're confusing now [09:15] slow down [09:15] bakadesu: the solaris people have nothing to do with this. The fact that you meant it for someone else is completely irrelevant [09:15] yes i know, but i was mad, please undrstand they start insulting me [09:15] If I go steal something from person A, and then later tell them that I meant to steal it from person B, I'm still stealing. [09:15] and i swear god that was not for ubuntu room [09:16] bakadesu: they where not insulting you for no reason - you where trolling the channel [09:16] ikenia i was not trolling [09:16] i just mention about nexenta [09:16] they start insulting me [09:17] they didn't [09:17] and actually i like nexenta [09:17] they did [09:17] it doesn't matter. that sort of conduct is not befitting of anyone. regardless of what had been said. [09:17] Flannel: exactly [09:17] Flannel give me your address.. i will send you right now a 18 pages final paper i just did about linux for my class [09:18] and you tell me if support ubuntu or not [09:18] why does that matter [09:18] again why does that matter ? [09:18] bakadesu: you're misunderstanding. We're not doubting your dedication to Linux, or Ubuntu in any way. [09:19] bakadesu: you where in under the nick guest earlier [09:19] you are judging my behavior... out of your set of rules [09:20] because it was not for your room [09:20] and it obvious that was not for the room [09:20] since i was not banned before.. or did i? not [09:20] your missing the point [09:20] bakadesu: Do you even know about the code of conduct? [09:20] it doesn't matter to which room it was addressed to [09:20] as we've said multiple times [09:20] sorry when i took ethics i fall to sleep in class [09:20] and i dont care [09:20] thats not the point [09:20] your conduct in #ubuntu was not acceptable [09:21] and you are banned for that [09:21] for breaking #ubuntu rules [09:21] the point is that everything is a misunderstanding [09:21] bakadesu: If you don't care about the rules, it's obvious why you're banned. [09:21] thats it [09:21] and you dont want to keep it simple [09:21] ans the facts are [09:21] it is [09:21] and of course, we are judging you out of that ruleset [09:21] well [09:21] does are really my issues [09:21] and you want ot know [09:21] the true? [09:21] that day i took 3 ritalin pills to do that fuck.. [09:21] final paper and to study [09:21] I suspect you're going to tell us anyway [09:22] thats why [09:22] i was a bit high [09:22] i swear god [09:22] bakadesu: please watch your language. [09:22] you want t know the true [09:22] thats tue true [09:22] and [09:22] as a finnish proverb so conveniantly puts it: "Life is" [09:22] i usually dont act like tht [09:22] that [09:22] this is going no-where and pointles [09:22] bakadesu: calm down, [09:22] flannel send me your email address please [09:23] why should he? [09:23] bakadesu: You acted the way you did, regardless of the reasons. You'll need to ride out your ban as a consequence of your actions. It won't be permanent, although its duration will be determined by your conduct. [09:24] Flannel: just one question.. are you aware that i didnt mean to type that in ubuntu room? [09:24] bakadesu: I am. [09:24] bakadesu: and I know, you were in the middle of an arguement, and were angry and all that stuff. [09:24] that doesn't excuse you from the consequences of your actions. [09:25] Flannel: why would you judge my conduct for only 1 time I did it? can i show the good stuff as well.. so you can balance this [09:26] bakadesu: I'm not judging you at all. I'm just saying, we have a set of rules that we uphold in #ubuntu. [09:26] bakadesu: Again, I'll repeat, the ban isn't permanent, and its duration is entirely up to you, depending on your conduct. [09:26] I did a giant project with the main focus to give basic and yet important information about linux for the computer users that are not familiar with linux and are curious about it. [09:26] bakadesu: think of the ban as a time for you to collect yourself again. [09:27] bakadesu: and we're grateful for that. [09:27] bakadesu: This isn't the end of the world, you seem to make it out to be. [09:27] this is solaris guys fault [09:27] bakadesu: bans happen, you shouldn't be concerned about why it happened, but instead should be focused on what you can do to improve so that it won't happen again. [09:28] thanks anyway, i may try to come one day [09:28] or maybe not, i dont know [09:28] feel free to join us again later on this week [09:28] bakadesu: you're obviously still wound up from last night when this all happened. May I suggest you take a few days off from IRC? Read the code of conduct and the IRC guidelines in a few days, and come back and talk with us. [09:28] we'll discuss this again then [09:28] bakadesu: If you want, I can provide links to the aforementioned documents [09:29] Flannel: I know how to behave myself. Usually I dont take Ritalin, that was 1/1000 [09:29] That's all. [09:29] bakadesu: then in a few days, removing the ban should be easy. [09:30] And yeah, will not happen again.. i just wanted to make sure you was aware that it was a mistake [09:30] bakadesu: sounds good. I look forward to hearing from you later on this week. [09:30] and a misunderstanding [09:30] ok [09:31] I will be around xubuntu room this days until someone considered me. [09:32] thanks [09:32] see you [09:32] bakadesu: bye [09:32] interesting fellow [09:32] telling a few fibs [09:32] especially regarding finals. [09:33] UCSD just started, and SDSU doesn't start until next week. [09:33] I guess he may be referring to summer school finals for SDSU... but that would've been last week, not yesterday. [09:33] thats also not what happened in #opensolaris [09:33] I imagine [09:34] maybe it was his brother? [09:34] not that it has any relevance to the ubuntu ban [09:34] or a roommate? [09:34] * Myrtti giggles [09:34] yeah, thats what I was considering at first [09:34] until he actually answered why he thought he was banned [09:34] perhaps he should learn to lock his computer?! [09:35] its a pity though, if that project thing is true, and he turns out to be a bit more stable... I'd love to ask about getting him involved in my LoCo team [09:41] Flannel: where are you based ? [09:41] ikonia: California [09:41] very nice [09:42] oh yeah... sd.sd.cox.net is san diego [09:42] not south dakota [09:42] mmm, I guess it could be south dakota too... but I haven't seen it. [10:01] Myrtti, or his mouth. [10:42] Afternoon all [10:43] * ikonia nods to jussi01 [10:44] heya ikonia [10:44] * jussi01 buys ikonia a drink. [10:46] * Myrtti tries not to fall asleep [11:43] flaccid called the ops in #kubuntu () [12:02] ummm.... Riddell has just given Flaccid ops in #kubuntu [12:02] Ask him to revoke them? [12:03] Ummm, not really my place - Id rather the council did that. [12:04] he'll figure his mistake soon enough [12:04] grr, I have a little time Im not around... ie. moving house... and cant be in #kubuntu... and this happens [12:05] jonathan doesnt bite so hard you cannot discuss your concern with him [12:42] php6th [12:42] jrib just asked them to stop.. we'll see if they listen [12:43] php is a known quantity; he has been kicked before for that kind of behaviour [12:43] seems that the lesson was lost on him. [13:02] * Myrtti huggles PriceChild [13:03] PriceChild: thank you [14:19] oh [14:19] floodbot1 gone awol [14:19] or MIA [14:19] whatever [14:26] the problem is, that when LjL wakes up and bring it back, we'll have floodbot4 if we bring one online now (and all the bots will be crazy fo sho) [14:29] Are we sure that's LjL's floodbot? [14:36] Pici: i am sure. [15:50] nalioth, however, it CAN be fixed.. [15:50] (Floodbot4 can be renamed) [15:51] (I did it before) [15:51] nalioth, I presume you don't want it fixed? [15:54] how can they be renamed? [15:55] Myrtti: what for? [16:00] hrm. looks like floodbot1 has an old list of victims [16:02] Guess it will just be a little noisy for a while while it catches up [16:02] Unless someone can clear its list? [16:06] it will do it automatically? [16:06] it doesn't matter unless there's a ban matching it [16:24] Mez: is this by getting rid of one, so it chooses a low nick again on reconnect? [16:26] PriceChild, LjL's bot has extra commands, including a command that'll echo out vars. you can use that to set things, so you set the nick you want it to be, then you ghost it and it comes back as the right night [16:26] s/night/nick/ [16:26] don't they all try and come back as the lowest possible? [16:27] Mez: But LjL's bot is the one that is down. [16:27] they do [16:27] <+PriceChild> don't they all try and come back as the lowest possible? <-- yes, to start with [16:28] if you GHOST a bot, it'll reset itself, but try and keep the same nick. [16:28] (aka if the code's kept running) [16:28] then if that's taken, it'll come back wrong [16:28] so if FB1 goes, gets replaced, then comes back, it'll come back as 4 [16:29] then you either have to kill the process (which we cant do to LjLs bot) or set the internal nick to something else and ghost it [16:40] I like eggs [16:40] Swilkos: that is nice. [16:40] Swilkos: Can we help you with anything else? [16:40] i like eggs [16:40] bye [16:41] bye [16:41] Well... that was random. [16:42] ah, looks like they were muted in #u the other day [16:42] PriceChild for my wikipage. [16:42] Myrtti: ah [17:47] In #ubuntu, glasmark said: !ScheissDrogen http://us.archive.ubuntu.com is the only url i can find [18:02] hello [18:17] * Myrtti sighs [18:17] what's on your mind, Myrtti ? [18:19] lots of stuff, some related to the council election and this channel, some in liaison with my own personal life and stuff [18:19] too much really [18:19] basically just tired [18:19] and cold [18:19] so share your slippers with a guinea pig or two :) [18:21] yeah, I certainly don't want to burden you and our friends there on the other side of the fourth wall with this [18:21] back to fiddling with emacs I think [18:49] whee [18:49] http://tug.org/pipermail/latex2html/2008-August/003466.html [18:50] I just find it hilarious that my business cards have "Software Developer" as the title [18:52] Mine say Database Administrator... which I'm definitely not. [18:54] and I can barely do hello world on python [18:54] I don't have a business card :( [18:55] and some of my colleagues that have been in house for four years are still Software Developers and don't have business cards... [18:57] * PriceChild has a Myrtti business card. [18:57] ♥ [18:58] and you know my phone number EEEEEK [18:58] everyone who can access my facebook page has it akshully [18:59] tut tut [18:59] (that's only 170 people or so) [18:59] ahem [19:00] * Myrtti needs more coffee [19:00] damn. [19:00] come to think of it... [19:01] I hate phone calls. my business cards have my phone number. I've been giving a lot of those cards. that means, more people know my number. someone might actually *call* [19:01] EEEEEEKKK [19:01] * Myrtti turns her phone off [19:06] @btlogin [19:52] floodbot is back fyi [19:53] who started #1 ? [19:53] mez? [19:53] Pici, there are now 4 bots... who started one ? [19:53] there should only be 3 [19:53] Eh? [19:53] Floodbot4 is LjL's bot [19:53] yes... [19:53] I know [19:54] MAGIC! [19:54] Which means, when LjL's bot died, someone started another to put in its place [19:54] who was that person [19:54] someone sprinkled fairy dust in data center? [19:54] I thought you started #1, maybe it was nalioth? [19:54] * Myrtti pokes nalioth with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™ [19:54] *SQUEEEAK* [19:54] no, it wasn't me [19:54] IT WAS THE ONE ARMED MAN! [19:55] * Myrtti runs around screaming and giggling hysterically [19:55] oh, they're fighting now [19:55] it was someone with the restricted code [19:55] fighting? [19:55] The Fugitive is a great movie [19:55] setting +j -j +j -j [19:56] imaginary modes now? [19:56] yep, thats because there's 4 bots. I can't do anything till one of them is switched off [19:56] +J [19:56] +J -J [19:56] * Flannel sets mode 1+3j [19:57] * Pici waits for someone to call ops about the bots [19:58] can I? [19:58] no! [19:58] * Flannel sets mode 1-3j [19:59] this could be fun... [19:59] * Flannel notes we're real again. [19:59] alright, I'll stop with the geek humor [19:59] crap... now they're killing each other off [20:00] Mez: its like thunderdome [20:00] 2 bots enter, 1 bot leaves? [20:00] yeah [20:00] Pici, one of them has to die for the channel to come back to normal [20:00] This is way I prefer IRC connections with ident. [20:00] PriceChild: poing, is one of the floodbots yours? [20:00] hmmm [20:00] If we ban the floodbots, they freak out, right? [20:01] should we do 1ops [20:01] lops [20:01] nope, It'll work fine ... [20:01] Pici: nope [20:01] !ops | oi! whoever's bot it is, kill it. [20:01] oi! whoever's bot it is, kill it.: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, or Flannel! [20:01] Mez called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (oi! whoever's bot it is, kill it.) [20:01] PriceChild: darn, guess it was nals [20:02] floodbot1 was kicked? [20:02] I've banned it for now.. [20:03] its being ghosted? [20:03] PriceChild, goto #ubuntu-ops-monitor to see why [20:03] Mez: I don't see why. [20:03] You started up a new bot? [20:04] LjL restarted his bot [20:04] PriceChild, NO [20:04] Right ok. [20:04] Mez: no need for caps [20:04] can we worry about why it happened later, and just stop them from spazzing currently? [20:05] i'll sort something out [20:05] PriceChild, I've already said that I wont after the bitching I got last time, and I said it not long back. [20:05] * Flannel admits to not really knowing enough about the floodbots to know whats actually going on. [20:05] PriceChild, whoever started the spare bot (I suspect nalioth) needs to kill it. [20:05] Or [20:05] LjL needs to. [20:05] I personally think a mix of both as LjL not being here is causing these issues. [20:06] LjL's bot and the spare bot are fighting for the nick Floodbot1 [20:06] Who knows the pass for the floodbot account? [20:06] PriceChild, I do [20:07] Dont say it in channel if you do... [20:07] Im not going to [20:07] * Pici points at the ubuntulog [20:07] Mez: start up a new connection, set enforce floodbot1 on [20:07] 1234! [20:07] Pici, I'm not stupid [20:07] oh, right... logged. someone remind me to change my luggage combination. [20:07] Mez: that will then force them both to change nicks and stay stable [20:07] Mez: I was typing that before you answered, it wasn't directed at you. [20:07] oh wait... less than 30 seconds [20:08] we'll have to wait for the owner of the non-ljl floodbot 1 to arrive, is that one of you? [20:08] No. [20:08] PriceChild, is enforce going to do anything? [20:08] I dont think so, they're ghosting each other anyway pretty quickly. [20:09] i was thinking of forcing one of the nicks to stay stable as a guest, then restarting one of the bots in our control back into 1 [20:09] that has a few problems though, if ljl restarts it'll start fighting again, it also needs someone in control of the other 1 to be here. [20:11]