[00:00] <hax> lolz
[00:01] <Alex135> hey, whenever i try and launch a full screen game or something it comes back with an error: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[00:01] <Alex135> i am running on a 24" wide screen
[00:02] <Alex135> worked before i got the wide screen setup
[00:02] <Alex135> now it doesn't
[00:03] <DarkriftX> ok, to get my kubuntu (and my wifi) working before i had to add "noapic nolapic" to the grub boot params.. when installing kubuntu from cd, i use the f6 advanced options and there are "--" at the end. does my additions go before or after the --'s ?
[00:04] <DarkriftX> before didnt seem to work, and after gives me a black blinking cursor that doesnt go away
[00:04] <DarkriftX> oooh, nvm
[00:04] <DarkriftX> went away, lets see if it works
[00:08] <DarkriftX> so its possible if i untar my old /etc into my new installation that my wifi and other stuff will work like before?
[00:08] <DarkriftX> without installing anything else?
[00:14] <Sixofour|TombRai> how compliant are 1998 webcames with kubuntu? lol
[00:14] <Sixofour|TombRai> webcams
[00:14] <Sixofour|TombRai> i have one from 1998
[00:15] <Sixofour|TombRai> quality is cellphone basicly
[00:17] <szakulec> there's a jumbo list of webcams here: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
[00:18] <Sixofour|TombRai> i have ubuntu 5.10 CD...how easy is it to install 5.10 then update to latest kubuntu?
[00:18] <szakulec> not that easy
[00:18] <Sixofour|TombRai> lol
[00:18] <Sixofour|TombRai> how not?
[00:18] <szakulec> that upgrade path is definitely not tested
[00:18] <Sixofour|TombRai> the thing is, i am not sure if 700mb fits on my cds
[00:19] <Sixofour|TombRai> plus i only have 5 700mb cds, and i have 80 gigs of stuff i need..you do the math lol
[00:19] <Sixofour|TombRai> gonna loose alot
[00:19] <Sixofour|TombRai> so i am trying to conserve
[00:19] <Sixofour|TombRai> id order some free cds, but they take 6-8weeks [even though the 5 5.10 cds took a few days
[00:21] <Sixofour|TombRai> is anyone going to be in this channel for the next...4-8 hours?
[00:21] <Sixofour|TombRai> who knows a great deal about installing kubuntu
[00:21] <Dragnslcr> I'd guess that the amount you'd have to download to go from 5.10 to 8.04 would be more than downloading a CD image
[00:21] <Sixofour|TombRai> probably
[00:22] <Sixofour|TombRai> i'll likely save my essential files, save kubuntu heron [or what ever is newer]..then reformat and beg for help in irc [joking about the last part]
[00:23] <Sixofour> hopefully kubuntu will be able to use my NIC card
[00:23] <szakulec> NIC cards are rarely, if ever a problem now
[00:23] <Sixofour> but ive never had a network card problem with linux
[00:23] <Sixofour> yeah
[00:23] <Sixofour> biggest thing are those ATI Radeon x1300 drivers
[00:23] <Sixofour> which i hear are a sumbich to get working
[00:24] <Sixofour> is there a theread/faq/tut i can read about ati radeon and kubuntu?
[00:24] <Sixofour> thread*
[00:25] <szakulec> the restricted drivers work well (usually), and besides them there are several open source options
[00:25] <Sixofour> open source options for an ati radeon x1300?
[00:25] <szakulec> yes
[00:25] <Sixofour> i plan to play steam games with this
[00:26] <Sixofour> i should be able to play atleast dx8 or 9 yeah?
[00:26] <Sixofour> with those open source options
[00:26] <szakulec> maybe
[00:26] <Sixofour> i think after kubuntu is up and running ..my only problems will lie with configuring wine
[00:26] <Sixofour> hopefully
[00:27] <szakulec> hopefully you don't need to configure wine
[00:27] <Sixofour> i last tried kubuntu i think it was summer of the year before last
[00:27] <Sixofour> 2006
[00:27] <Sixofour> i had a few problems, but everything was basicvly great [cept wine compatibilty]
[00:27] <Sixofour> but io hear wine is tons better and just got a major update, so i got intresrted in kubuntu again
[00:28] <Sixofour> and i hate the drm/tc/crappyness of windows
[00:29] <Sixofour> what would you recommend..kubuntu with kde 3 or 4?
[00:29] <Sixofour> it says kde3 support ends october 2009?
[00:29] <Sixofour> ends*
[00:31] <szakulec> it probably means the support for the current release of Kubuntu will end at that date
[00:31] <Sixofour> well, i got kde 4.0...kubuntu download will take 24 minutes
[00:31] <szakulec> not kde 3 support
[00:31] <Sixofour> then we can start with the backup process :D
[00:32] <Sixofour> and getting several gigs of raw wav to comrpess into 700mb
[00:32] <Sixofour> though i can compress while it downloads
[00:33] <mehdi_> Beer load [                    /] 100% *ding*
[00:33] <Sixofour> is there a better compression then .rar ?
[00:34] <Sixofour> hrm , actually
[00:35] <russ450> Whats good about Kubuntu?
[00:36] <matt__> adept keeps crashing in ibex alpha4
[00:36] <matt__> KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly
[00:36] <russ450> Whats ibex?
[00:36] <matt__> it all i get from konsole
[00:38] <matt__> huh?
[00:38] <szakulec> you can try using 7-zip to compress it, or if that's not good enough, you could compress it to FLAC
[00:39] <matt__> intrepid ibex is the next release of kubuntu
[00:39] <matt__> heheh
[00:39] <matt__> 8.10
[00:40] <matt__> i was wondering if anyone else was having the same issue and had a work around
[00:42] <russ450> anyone use Linux Mint?
[00:42] <stdin> matt__: we do not support intrepid here
[00:42] <matt__> theres no kubuntu+1
[00:42] <matt__> like there is for ubuntu
[00:42] <stdin> mat__: #ubuntu+1 is the channel
[00:43] <stdin> *matt__
[00:43] <szakulec> if I compile ffmpeg from source, and use the shared libraries option, it will overwrite the currently installed version right?
[00:44] <russ450> Isnt Linux Mint-KDE what Kubuntu should of been?
[00:44] <stdin> !mint | russ450
[00:44] <mehdi_> http://mehdilauters.homedns.org hello
[00:45] <stdin> mehdi_: why did you post that?
[00:46] <mehdi_> error copy/paste
[00:46] <russ450> Just a guess
[00:46] <mehdi_> sorry
[00:48] <russ450> doesnt Linux Mint replace Kubuntu?
[00:49] <stdin> russ450: we do not support Linux Mint here, try #linuxmint
[00:51] <matt__> mint uses gnome i thought anyway
[00:51] <Pici> !mintsupport
[00:51] <DarkriftX> is there a command to make apt find the repos without manually adding them?
[00:58] <DarkriftX> !bcm43xx
[00:58] <DarkriftX> !ndiswrapper-setup
[00:58] <DarkriftX> lol
[00:58] <DarkriftX> there is a setup script somewhere
[00:58] <DarkriftX> cannot find it though
[00:58] <stdin> have you read the guide?
[00:59] <DarkriftX> yes, ive followed that guide like 50 times
[00:59] <DarkriftX> and they always failed me
[00:59] <DarkriftX> the one method that finally worked last time (i foundmy notes) was a .sh file called ndiswrapper-setup.sh
[00:59] <DarkriftX> and i got it from ubuntu forums, but cant find it now
[01:03] <ddibble> #hrops
[01:07] <Sixofour> does anyone here know how to setup file shareing over a home network..for bacing up files so i can install kubuntu?..windows channel is in ruins atm
[01:07] <DarkriftX> i always thought i did it wrong, but wtf... I just installed kubuntu and there are no repos in my apt config
[01:07] <Sixofour> in windows xp*
[01:07] <DarkriftX> why would they make it so difficult like that on a fresh install
[01:08] <DarkriftX> omfg, konq sucks as a browser
[01:09] <matt__> sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:09] <matt__> ;)
[01:09] <DarkriftX> firefox not found
[01:09] <DarkriftX> nothing is found
[01:09] <DarkriftX> my repo list if blank
[01:09] <matt__> oh you dont havesources.list
[01:09] <matt__> right
[01:09] <DarkriftX> yeah....
[01:09] <matt__> one sec
[01:09] <DarkriftX> trying to do that
[01:09] <DarkriftX> but couldnt get konq to load google
[01:10] <DarkriftX> is there an irc client by default on kubuntu fresh install?
[01:10] <matt__> yes
[01:10] <DarkriftX> ahh, found it
[01:10] <matt__> konversation
[01:10] <derdui> normaly its konversation^^
[01:10] <matt__> or just type irc
[01:11] <darkrift_> ok....
[01:11] <darkrift_> little better
[01:11] <darkrift_> once i get wifi working ill be much better off
[01:12] <darkrift_> using a crossover cable (yeah, those things from the 90's lol) to share internet with an xp laptop
[01:12] <derdui> lol
[01:12] <darkrift_> so wheres a good place to get some content for my sources.list
[01:12] <darkrift_> all teh google results are from 2006 :S
[01:13] <matt__> source o matic
[01:13] <derdui> what are you looking for? normaly I search for proggies and take the sources to my list^^
[01:13] <stdin> darkrift_: open adept, Adept -> Manage Repositories, check all the boxes
[01:13] <geek_> darkrift_: i use the default sources.lst (with everything enabled)+ medibuntu + whatever PPA's are needed for what i want
[01:14] <DarkriftX> ahh
[01:14] <derdui> what are the PPA's?
[01:15] <darkrift_> wtf
[01:17] <matt__> the theme in ff3.0 in ibex is whack
[01:17] <matt__> it looks like ff 1.0
[01:18] <lordofpottatos> .?
[01:22] <Darkrift2> hrmmm
[01:22] <Darkrift2> firefox 3 not in repos?
[01:22] <Darkrift2> i enabled everything
[01:22] <mortici> hrm.... i installed it :/
[01:22] <Darkrift2> i did too before, dya it was released, but i installed it manually
[01:22] <Darkrift2> figured it would be in repos by now
[01:22] <stdin> click "Fetch Updates"
[01:22] <mortici> it should be in repos
[01:23] <Darkrift2> i did apt-get update
[01:23] <mortici> at least it was for me.....
[01:23] <Darkrift2> ooooh, i remember
[01:23] <Darkrift2> its firefox-3, forgot the -
[01:23] <Darkrift2> or now
[01:23] <mortici> lewl
[01:23] <Darkrift2> not*
[01:23] <Darkrift2> lol
[01:24] <Darkrift2> its -3.0 :S
[01:24] <stdin> try firefox-3.0
[01:24] <Darkrift2> why would they do that and make it a pita
[01:24] <mortici> lawl
[01:24] <Darkrift2> it should detect the "firefox" and give you close matches
[01:24] <Darkrift2> hrmmmm, thats not found, but this sounds close, install it?
[01:24] <stdin> the "firefox" package actually does install firefox-3.0
[01:24] <Darkrift2> ahhh, good to know
[01:25] <Darkrift2> like i said earlier... i got used to windows again and nothing works like you would want it to on windows
[01:25] <Darkrift2> erm... it installed the beta :(
[01:26] <stdin> enable -updates
[01:26] <Darkrift2> and apt-get install firefox installs 2.0
[01:26] <lok> Hi i have a Sony Ericcsson w200 and when i plug-in i don't see the desktop icon!!!! what's that?
[01:27] <stdin> under the the "Updates" tab
[01:27] <Darkrift2> the firefox checkbox under updates is greyed out
[01:28] <stdin> from Adept -> Manage Repositories
[01:28] <matt__> where is "Use my KDE theme in GTK applications"  in 4.1 ????
[01:29] <stdin> mat__: system settings -> appearance -> gtk styles and fonts
[01:29] <Darkrift2> all checked stdin
[01:29] <matt__> there is not gtk styles and fonts in 4.1
[01:30] <matt__> dont see it
[01:30] <stdin> I'm looking at it now
[01:30] <matt__> lemme do a screen shot 4u
[01:31] <Darkrift2> anyone know where to get the ndiswrapper script at? i have a bcm4311 and that script is the only thing that ever worked
[01:33] <stdin> matt__: make sure you have gtk-qt-engine-kde4 then
[01:33] <derdui> i knew another distribution where ist was installed Darkrift2
[01:34] <derdui> but i dont know if you an load it there...
[01:35] <Darkrift2> i think i found it
[01:40] <Darkrift2> if ndiswrapper is installed on a drive, where would the ndiswrapper drivers be located?
[01:40] <Darkrift2> i have some backups of my old drive and id like to try to find those to use
[01:41] <matt__> stdin
[01:41] <matt__> sorry i took sop long
[01:41] <matt__> http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=41di2.png
[01:41] <stdin> I see your screenshot, and raise you another: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1976/gtkstylemf2.png
[01:42] <Darkrift2> lol
[01:43] <matt__> mayne because you are on hardy?
[01:43] <matt__> maybe*
[01:43] <stdin> [01:33]<stdin> matt__: make sure you have gtk-qt-engine-kde4 then
[01:43] <Reformer81> I am having trouble mounting an ISO image.  It seems to mount just fine, but when I try to access it, I get a "Permission Denied" error!
[01:43] <Darkrift2> someone got ripped off :S
[01:43] <Darkrift2> make sure you can read the location where you mounted it
[01:44] <stdin> Reformer81: you need to give it a uid to mount as, otherwise it mounts as root, "sudo mount image.iso -o loop,uid=1000"
[01:45] <Reformer81> stdin: I've never had to in the past, though.
[01:45] <matt__> i got it heh
[01:45] <Reformer81> I'll give it a shot, though.
[01:45] <matt__> i hadn installed the package
[01:45] <stdin> depends where you mount it to as to if you need that, but it sounds like you do
[01:45] <derdui> is kde4 readdy to use without any hard bugs?
[01:46] <Reformer81> stdin: I have an ISO directory (/media/ISO) that I always mount iso's too.
[01:47] <matt__> kde 4.1 in fine imho
[01:47] <Reformer81> stdin: That did it... strange that I've never once had to do that before, though.
[01:47] <sgrover> I made the jump to kde4.1 a couple weeks ago.  Some little quirks, but nothing that stops me from working....
[01:48] <sgrover> Video in Kopete seems to be a problem.
[01:48] <stdin> Reformer81: what are the permissions of /media/ISO when nothing is mounted there and after mounting an ISO (normally) ?
[01:48] <matt__> i think i have ta reboot for my gtk fix to take effect in firefox?
[01:49] <stdin> logout/in should do
[01:49] <Darkrift2> what kinda hell will i have to go through to go from 7.10 kd 3.5 to kde 4.1?
[01:49] <Darkrift2> will it be easy?
[01:49] <stdin> 7.10 -> 8.04 -> 8.10
[01:50] <stdin> that's the full path with intrepid anyway
[01:50] <matt__> cool brb
[01:50] <stdin> otherwise just up to 8.04 and add the KDE 4 PPA
[01:50] <stdin> (instructions in the topic of #kubuntu-kde4)
[01:50] <Darkrift2> oh, cant have 4.1 on kubuntu 7.10?
[01:50] <Darkrift2> will a version upgrade probably work on a fresh install?
[01:51] <stdin> !upgrade
[01:51] <stdin> that tells you how to get to 8.04 from 7.10
[01:51] <derdui> sorry, wth means PPA?
[01:51] <stdin> !ppa | derdui
[01:51] <skone> hi
[01:52] <skone> i have problem with aircrack
[01:52] <derdui> thx stdin:)
[01:53] <darkrift_> running the version upgrade now
[01:53] <darkrift_> ill see how it works
[01:53] <darkrift_> fail fail fail fail!!!
[01:55] <matt__> ok
[01:55] <matt__> that did the trick
[01:56] <viat0r> firefox looks MUCH better now
[01:57] <viat0r> i like the folder view on desktop
[01:58] <viat0r> so far im impressed with kde 4.1
[01:58] <viat0r> havent used kde since i swithed to ubuntu
[01:58] <viat0r> and that was when libranet went under :(
[02:00] <viat0r> thanks guys
[02:02] <Darkrift2> wifi works, dist upgrade running... things seem to be going too well
[02:02]  * Darkrift2 waits for smoke
[02:23] <fujisan> latest kubuntu with wubi where can i get it?
[02:23] <fujisan> nalioth
[02:24] <fujisan> jucato
[02:24] <Elda> Quick question... upon hearing that 4.1 was released... Id attempted to install KDE4 and had some mixed success.  So I am curious, how would I go about removing it so I could attempt to reinstall it? :s
[02:25] <fujisan> i think they are almost all sleeoing Elda
[02:25] <Elda> Oh well, might as well put the question out there
[02:27] <fujisan> aye
[02:27] <Darkrift2> so after doing a dist upgrade to 8.04 i need to do it again to 8.10 to get kde 4.1 ?
[02:30] <puskom_> dfg fhhkjjk
[02:30] <puskom_> tuyhujiu
[02:30] <puskom_> yuiui
[02:30] <puskom_> dtfdtrtyngbjyh
[02:38] <Darkrift2> i just upgraded to 8.04 but i dont have a version upgrade button anymore :(
[02:38] <Darkrift2> what can i do about that?
[02:40] <flaccid> Darkrift2: in Adept ManageR?
[02:41] <Darkrift2> yes
[02:41] <Darkrift2> i want to go to 8.10 now
[02:41] <flaccid> !intrepid | Darkrift2
[02:41] <flaccid> you would need to update your sources.list first
[02:41] <Darkrift2> ahhhh
[02:41] <Darkrift2> manually?
[02:42] <flaccid> thats probably quickest, basically replace 'hardy' with 'intrepid' i think
[02:44] <Sixofour> so i got kubuntu with kde 4.0 instead of 3..did i just give myself more problems?
[02:45] <flaccid> Sixofour: possibly. no problem until you come across one however
[02:46] <Sixofour> how do i set up kubuntu to use windows XP file shareing system so i can retrive files off a backup machine?
[02:46] <Darkrift2> updated sources.list and still dont have that option
[02:47] <Darkrift2> what else needs updating :S
[02:47] <Darkrift2> id figure upgrading your os would upgrade your os's upgrade list also
[02:47] <flaccid> Darkrift2: you need to fetch updates
[02:47] <Darkrift2> i have
[02:47] <flaccid> !samba | Sixofour
[02:47] <Darkrift2> 3 times
[02:47] <Darkrift2> says no updates available
[02:48] <Darkrift2> i copied the "default 8.04 sources.list" someone pasted on the kubuntu forums
[02:48] <Darkrift2> and then restarted adept
[02:48] <flaccid> Darkrift2: this is why they have a channel for intrepid. i'll go in there and find out the reqs
[02:48] <flaccid> Darkrift2: pastebin the file please
[02:48] <Darkrift2> the new info shows in the manage screen
[02:49] <darkrift_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=783577
[02:49] <darkrift_> the one in the first post
[02:50] <flaccid> darkrift_: and did you replace 'hardy' with 'intrepid'in the file ?
[02:50] <Darkrift2> no
[02:50] <Darkrift2> like find and replace?
[02:51] <flaccid> yeah, thats what i said before :) then fetch updates
[02:51] <Darkrift2> oooh
[02:51] <Darkrift2> i thought you just meant replace the contents of the file
[02:52] <flaccid> negative. and also you do not need to go on the net to get a fresh sources.list, you can simply use the Manage Repositories function in adept
[02:53] <Darkrift2> i c
[02:54] <Darkrift2> i have the "full upgrade" option now, but still no version upgrade
[02:54] <Darkrift2> do that first?
[02:55] <flaccid> Darkrift2: um im not sure. i don't recommend doing these kinds of upgrades in Adept either. we generally recommend aptitude
[02:55] <darkrift_> im down for anything
[02:55] <darkrift_> just dont know how to do it :S
[02:55] <darkrift_> guess i should install that
[02:56] <flaccid> darkrift_: i went into the #ubuntu+1 channel and they advised  sudo do-release-upgrade -d to do the upgrade. please join this channel for support on this
[02:57] <darkrift_> installing aptitude ugpraded apt and gave me new options in the repo manager
[02:57] <darkrift_> checking those seems to have made changes
[02:58] <darkrift_> trying that now
[02:58] <darkrift_> id rather command line anyways lol
[02:58] <flaccid> try to keep your responses on 1 line, darkrift :)
[03:00] <yuji> ls
[03:03] <Darkrift2> lol yuji
[03:03] <Darkrift2> i used to do that a lot
[03:03] <Darkrift2> my irc and console looked a lot alike
[03:10] <bdizzle> is there a mathematica equivalent in linux?
[03:10] <frank23> bdizzle: for symbolic math?
[03:11] <bdizzle> yeah
[03:11] <bdizzle> and solving / graphing and such
[03:11] <p_quarles> bdizzle, they have a Linux version -- or at least used to
[03:12] <frank23> bdizzle: maple has a linux version. of course not free
[03:12] <bdizzle> yeah
[03:12] <frank23> bdizzle: try wxmaxima
[03:13] <frank23> bdizzle: it does symbolic math. not sure about ploting
[03:13] <bdizzle> kk
[03:17] <bdizzle> ah, cool
[03:20] <pteague> is there a way i can specify the window title for a window?
[03:20] <Darkrift2> does kde4 let you change the size of your desktop icons?
[03:20] <Darkrift2> thats something ive always hated about kde, large icons :(
[03:22] <sgrover> Darkrift2: with kde4.1 there ARE no desktop icons.  But you can "emulate" em with a Folder View.  Unfortunately, I don't see anyway to change the icon size within a Folder View yet... or switch to another view mode even.
[03:22] <Darkrift2> hrmmmm
[03:23] <flaccid> #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 talk/support
[03:48] <Derrian> hola?
[03:48] <KilloZapit> woah
[03:48] <KilloZapit> lotsa people
[03:48]  * Derrian dances ... place must be dead
[03:49] <Derrian> yea... a lot of people, but no one talking
[03:49] <flaccid> which is good
[03:50] <KilloZapit> So anyway I saw an ad on the internet that thought I live in another state. I can only assume my location is set wrong.
[03:50] <Derrian> to an extent, but it's like a meeting where no one talks...... it's pointless, no ideas or thoughts are exchanged
[03:51] <Derrian> it's possible, for what state?
[03:51] <flaccid> !ot
[03:51] <KilloZapit> But I went into regional settings in system settings and it tottaly like reset the x server or something
[03:51] <Nixrift> my command line version upgrade doesnt seem to be done, but i got a message telling me to reboot
[03:51] <Nixrift> not sure what to do
[03:51] <KilloZapit> went back to login
[03:51] <Nixrift> nvm
[03:51] <Nixrift> gave me a prompt
[03:51] <flaccid> KilloZapit: nah websites usually use geoip for that, nothing to do with system settings
[03:51] <cesar_> hola
[03:52] <cesar_> soy nuevo en esto
[03:52] <Guest81254> hola
[03:52] <Guest81254> como estan?
[03:52] <KilloZapit> still is weird, that add never was wrong before
[03:52] <Guest81254> soi nuevo en esto
[03:52] <bdizzle> Guest81254: por favor, usar #kubuntu-es  , gracias
[03:52] <KilloZapit> oh well
[03:53] <bdizzle> does anyone know if there is a program to read .djvu files for e-books?
[03:53] <Guest81254> alguien habla español?
[03:53] <KilloZapit> oh also firefox keeps crashing when I look at flash files and then click a link
[03:53] <flaccid> english only here
[03:53] <Guest81254> ok
[03:53] <bdizzle> nada mucho, pero #kubuntu-es es la canal de espanol
[03:53] <Guest81254> XD
[03:53] <KilloZapit> looks like npviewer.bin does it because if i kill that it works again
[03:54] <reid> can i get some help please?
[03:54] <Derrian> bdizzle: try this link: http://djvu.org/links/ there is a list of players with the OS that they support
[03:55] <reid> somebody told me to type altcontrol+f2 and now im stuck in a giant terminal and i dont know how to close it so i installed irssi, but i cant read anything at all, its so HUGE.
[03:55] <bdizzle> yeah, I just found one in the repos
[03:55] <bdizzle> I'm surprised
[03:55] <reid> I can't even read this line im typing right now
[03:55] <reid> >.<
[03:55] <Derrian> reid: hit crtl + alt + F7
[03:55] <mase_work> reid: press alt+control+F7
[03:55] <KilloZapit> and thats my list of outstanding issues other then that I like my kubuntu <3
[03:55] <mase_work> reid: kudos for installing irssi though
[03:55] <Derrian> ctrl + alt + FXX are virtual terminals
[03:56] <Derrian> F1-F6 are commandl line bases
[03:56] <Derrian> F7-F12 are WM based
[03:56] <reid> so can somebody help me close this GIANT terminal..the resulution is HUUUUUUGE like 1X1 :X
[03:56] <Derrian> irssi... good program
[03:57] <Derrian> hit CTRL + ALT + F7
[03:57] <mase_work> reid: its not a terminal, its a console
[03:57] <mase_work> reid: do what Derrian and myself told you to do
[03:57] <mase_work> and it will go
[03:57] <Derrian> reid: you are in a virtual terminal
[03:57] <Jess``> mase_work, i couldnt read that
[03:57] <Jess``> I was about 15+lines upward
[03:57] <Jess``> i read the f7 thing just now.
[03:57] <mortici> irssi pwns :D
[03:58] <Darkrift2> damn, my wifi stopped working in 8.10
[03:58] <Jess``> thank god i had ubuntu on my server and thought to sudo apt-get install irssi
[03:58] <Darkrift2> well, not completely
[03:58] <Darkrift2> but it only shows one network available, and not mine :(
[03:58] <Jess``> i was completly blind :X
[03:58] <Derrian> Darkrift2: explain?
[03:58] <Jess``> well thanks, back to #kubuntu-kde4
[03:58] <mortici> lynx (or w3m) and irssi
[03:58] <mortici> win :)
[03:58] <Darkrift2> i upgraded, now my wireless network isnt found
[03:59] <Darkrift2> and im 2 rooms away, the one it finds is 3 houses away
[03:59] <mortici> Darkrift2: now thats a problem isn't it?
[03:59] <Derrian> give me a sec
[03:59] <Darkrift2> i know it works because 2 laptops side by side, (this one is connected to it)
[03:59] <mortici> Darkrift2: what are you using to manage your wireless networks?
[03:59] <Darkrift2> this is an xp laptop though
[03:59] <Derrian> Darkrift2:  been a while and I dont have wifi on this pc... there is a file you can edit
[04:00] <Darkrift2> whatever came with 8.10 :S
[04:00] <Darkrift2> i just finished the upgrade
[04:00] <mortici> Darkrift2: whats the application called?
[04:00] <Darkrift2> doesnt say
[04:00] <Darkrift2> its a picture of a globe
[04:00] <Darkrift2> kde4 of that helps
[04:01] <flaccid> Darkrift2: you on intrepid now?
[04:01] <mortici> Darkrift2: :) not really. How about you click Help then about?
[04:01] <Darkrift2> yeah
[04:01] <mortici> Eeeek....
[04:01] <Darkrift2> ther eis no help
[04:01] <mortici> lol, of course there is
[04:01] <mortici> err
[04:01] <mortici> wait
[04:01] <Darkrift2> new connection, deactiveate, configure notifications, edit connections and quit
[04:01] <mortici> i didn't mean it that way lol
[04:01] <flaccid> Darkrift2: #ubuntu+1 for intrepid support
[04:02] <Darkrift2> why does kubuntu need like 12 channels for support :S
[04:02] <Darkrift2> ive got #kubuntu, #kubuntu-kde4 and #ubuntu+1
[04:02] <flaccid> so its manageable and users don't get confused etc.
[04:02] <flaccid> have a look at all ubuntu chans with /list ubuntu heh
[04:03] <KilloZapit> oh and anyone know some places to get good icon themes?
[04:04] <Derrian> KilloZapit: art.gnome.org; kde-look.org
[04:04] <fujisan> jucato
[04:04] <fujisan> hello
[04:07] <KilloZapit> Thank you! :3
[04:07] <CPrgmSwR2> How do I setup kde4 so that it starts up kde4-kdm rather than kde3-kdm
[04:07] <Derrian> KilloZapit: Np
[04:07] <KilloZapit> Bye guys, if I have any more problems I will come back. :3
[04:08] <flaccid> CPrgmSwR2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[04:08] <Derrian> CPrgmSwR2:  make KDE 4 the default
[04:08] <CPrgmSwR2> How do I setup kde4 so that it starts up kwin4 rather than kwin for kde3
[04:08] <flaccid> CPrgmSwR2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kwin
[04:09] <fujisan> flaccid:
[04:17] <DIUD> asuw
[04:18] <Darkrift2> wow, guess ill try in the linux channel...
[04:18] <DIUD> alow kk good morning
[04:19] <fujisan> how do i install amarok2 the beta1 on kubuntu?
[04:19]  * flaccid yawns
[04:19] <DIUD> بيسمل
[04:19] <fujisan> allah yes
[04:20] <DIUD> what?
[04:20] <fujisan> babel
[04:20] <flaccid> DIUD: english only here please
[04:20] <DIUD> i dont language english
[04:20] <fujisan> flaccid i spoke english and got no reply so this is one of those break the rules get a reply channel?
[04:20] <DIUD> you can speak indonesian
[04:20]  * fujisan yawns
[04:21] <flaccid> don't exply replies in a free support channel
[04:21] <fujisan> lol
[04:21] <DIUD> cok matamu
[04:21] <flaccid> exply=expect
[04:21] <flaccid> fujisan: http://amarok.kde.org/de/node/485
[04:21] <fujisan> ty
[04:21] <flaccid> np
[04:22] <DIUD> nnnnnnnnnn
[04:22] <Hydrogen> then why the eff are you here
[04:23] <fujisan> who me?
[04:23] <fujisan> i want my wrench so i installed kubuntu
[04:24] <Sixofour> ok guys
[04:25] <Sixofour> 74Gb hard drive
[04:25] <Sixofour> formatting the whole thing, what kind of partitions should i make?
[04:25] <Sixofour> 2gb swap, 2gb os, rest data?
[04:25] <Sixofour> kubuntu with kde4.0
[04:25] <Sixofour> is what i got
[04:26] <flaccid> Sixofour: please ask your question on 1 line
[04:26] <Sixofour> sorry
[04:26] <Sixofour> i typed as i thought of them
[04:26] <flaccid> you can just let it auto part in the installer
[04:26] <fujisan> ﻿on't exply replies in a free support channel, so don't expect question in oneliners :-)
[04:27] <Sixofour> can it give my back the 6 Gb of utility space on my drive?
[04:27] <flaccid> i would recommend a large / fs so you can install programs you need
[04:27] <flaccid> !requirements | Sixofour this might help you a bit more on the disk space default install  needs
[04:27] <Sixofour> a large /fs?
[04:28] <flaccid> filesystem
[04:28] <Sixofour> so, that link still doesn't tell me , based on user expriense, what is the best way to do this
[04:28] <Sixofour> it says kubuntu needs 8 Gb :O
[04:28] <Sixofour> the cd is 700MB
[04:29] <flaccid> fujisan: its part of the rules
[04:29] <flaccid> thats correct
[04:29] <Sixofour> How does that work?
[04:29] <Sixofour> You cram 8 GB into 700mb?
[04:30] <flaccid> um i guess the image is compressed or something, not sure to be honest
[04:30] <fujisan> not really flaccid it's not a rule that a question has to be one line, it's just a rule not to spam, and therefore not to use enter as punctuation, there is a distinct difference
[04:30] <Sixofour> does that include swap?
[04:30] <flaccid> fujisan: it comes under no flooding
[04:30] <Sixofour> it doesn't specify if that 8gb is part of the linux swap
[04:30] <fujisan> a 2 line question isn't flooding
[04:30] <Sixofour> over all..10gb for the os is kinda bloated don't ya think?
[04:31] <flaccid> fujisan: we generally consider 4 lines or more flooding. still the factoid is there for a reason and we encourage people to do this for other peoples benefit
[04:32] <Sixofour> So is anyone here who is able to help me trhough this kub untu install process?
[04:33] <Sixofour> kubuntu*
[04:33] <bdizzle> its pretty self explanatory, unless you are dual-booting
[04:33] <flaccid> Sixofour: well yeah i would recommend at least 6gb for / (because /home is on there too)
[04:33] <Sixofour> so 2 swap and 6gb for os?
[04:34] <flaccid> the installer will do it all for you, but you are welcome to do it manually if you like
[04:34] <flaccid> yeah thats what i would probably do (although i do more for os because i install a lot of stuff)
[04:34] <Sixofour> i only have 80gb HD..i don't want installer to gobble up all my space for utility
[04:34] <CPrgmSwR2> Thanks to who ever helped me
[04:34] <flaccid> 80gb is still a lot of space
[04:34] <Sixofour> why don't i just do two partitions?
[04:34] <flaccid> CPrgmSwR2: all good now?
[04:35] <Sixofour> does Os really need its own partitioon?
[04:35] <flaccid> Sixofour: you could do a separate /home if you wanted yes
[04:35] <CPrgmSwR2> yes
[04:35] <flaccid> well its not an OS part, its / (root)
[04:35] <flaccid> cool
[04:35] <CPrgmSwR2> I even have aiglx enabled for kde4 with an ati card
[04:35] <Sixofour> so what i am saying is, 2gb swap and the other 72gb for the rest [two partitions]
[04:35] <CPrgmSwR2> and its working quite well
[04:35] <CPrgmSwR2> its so awsome
[04:36] <Sixofour> i have an ati radeon x1300 heh
[04:36] <Sixofour> i may need help later :D
[04:36] <Sixofour> 6GB of my disk is already hidden for utility, [thank dell for that]
[04:37] <Sixofour> would #ubuntu be a better place for this?..kubuntu seems kinda..dead right now hejh
[04:37] <flaccid> Sixofour: sounds good
[04:37] <Sixofour> and i will likely have fourtyleven questions
[04:37] <flaccid> i don't see a problem Sixofour
[04:38] <Sixofour> well, i'll do 2gb swap and the rest for data [incl OS]
[04:38] <flaccid> !installation | Sixofour
[04:38] <flaccid> lots of doco to assist you
[04:39] <Sixofour> yeah, but spending hours looking for an answer to every question gets tedious
[04:39] <Sixofour> btw..installing kubuntu only has 4 steps o.O
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Sixofour: ubuntu can be a good place to ask, but they don't know a lot about kde-stuff.  The desktop agnostic stuff yo ushould be able to get answers for
[04:40] <flaccid> i don't understand why you have all these questions. the installer is pretty self explanatory/intuitive
[04:40] <Sixofour> last time i installed kubuntu [2 years ago] i had to put in 400 different commands
[04:40] <Sixofour> this is why i anticipate questions
[04:41] <Sixofour> thats kinda also why i left kubuntu a week later
[04:41] <flaccid> its much developed since then
[04:41] <Sixofour> i know, i was waiting on Wine to be honest
[04:42] <Sixofour> it didn't do crap 2 years ago
[04:51] <bdizzle> is it going any easier this time around Sixofour?
[04:51] <Sixofour> should be
[04:51] <sancho21> I installed kubuntu before windows, but the kubuntu is now missing from boot option. What should I do?
[04:51] <bdizzle> yeah, you have to install windows first, then kubuntu
[04:51] <bdizzle> windows gets greedy and wipes grub
[04:52] <flaccid> !fixgrub | sancho21
[04:53] <bdizzle> just be careful when doing the partitions, that seems to be the only area people get messed up
[04:53] <sancho21> ubotto: Thanks, I'll check it out.
[04:53] <Sixofour> so your saying it hasn't gotten any easyer bdizzle?
[04:53] <bdizzle> eh, its all point and click
[04:53] <fujisan> how do i save changes in nano file quit doesnt prompt me with the question if i want to save my changes?
[04:53] <Sixofour> oh, then why ask if it is going to be easyer this time around?
[04:53] <Sixofour> curious
[04:54] <bdizzle> but its too easy for someone to keep hitting "next" and if you're dual-booting, over-write the entire hard drive
[04:54] <sancho21> bdizzle: Yeah, once I've tried my tricks but suddenly Ubuntu can only see blank partition (fresh). Although I still have windows on my computer
[04:54] <Sixofour> i'm wiping the whole drive
[04:54] <bdizzle> oh, hell, then click away
[04:54] <Sixofour> lol
[04:54] <Sixofour> i'm just uploading stuff to our network atm
[04:54] <bdizzle> if you're dual-booting, its still easier than trying to set up a new partition at installation for windows
[04:54] <flaccid> fujisan: ^O      (F3)            Write the current file to disk
[04:55] <fujisan> f3?
[04:55] <bdizzle> windows does't like the average user to use partitions apparently
[04:55] <fujisan> just f3
[04:55] <flaccid> or ctrl+O
[04:55] <Sixofour> windows is windows
[04:55] <bdizzle> true
[04:55] <fujisan> isnt there a texteditor i can use instead flaccid something like gedit?
[04:55] <Sixofour> isn't xorb a text editor?
[04:55] <Sixofour> probably not
[04:56] <Sixofour> x<something>
[04:56] <flaccid> !editors | fujisan
[04:56] <sancho21> I do use dual booting
[04:56] <flaccid> fujisan: i use kate in gui, joe in cli
[04:56] <Sixofour> kate is it
[04:58] <bdizzle> kate is nice
[04:58] <bdizzle> it has both GUI and CLI at the bottom of it
[04:59] <Sixofour> but, i don't think wine is "point and click" to make it work yet
[04:59] <bdizzle> damn near close
[04:59] <flaccid> wine is not bad now, it all depends on the support of the particular program
[04:59] <Sixofour> hardest part is making FLStudio work
[04:59] <bdizzle> most people have gotten WoW to work
[04:59] <Sixofour> i need it for steam and music software
[04:59] <Sixofour> i don't even know if ASIO drivers work on linux
[04:59] <bdizzle> check the wine app database
[05:00] <Sixofour> i did
[05:00] <bdizzle> ASIO?
[05:00] <Sixofour> it just said "it works" with no guide or anything lol
[05:00] <bdizzle> then trust it
[05:00] <bdizzle> and then work from there
[05:00] <fujisan> flaccid i am trying to edit my sources list but ctrl+o just saves it with a different filename e.g. sources.list.save.1
[05:00] <Sixofour> ASIO is a drive that makes music processing more effecient, my sound card is shit and i use the processor [flstudio uses the processor also]
[05:01] <flaccid> Sixofour: i just checked the appdb and there is howtos and comments from people etc. its pretty good
[05:01] <Sixofour> not for all programs
[05:01] <Sixofour> well, steam might have some howtos
[05:01] <flaccid> fujisan: are you editing under sudo?
[05:01] <fujisan> yes
[05:01] <flaccid> Sixofour: there is also google :)
[05:01] <Sixofour> google requires that magical word to find relevent results
[05:01] <Sixofour> :D
[05:02] <bdizzle> you mean, "I feel lucky?
[05:02] <Sixofour> no..i mean, finding what you want in google is hard because you have to find the right words to use
[05:02] <fujisan> yeah this is driving me insane :/ this is worse than vista UAC
[05:02] <Sixofour> generally
[05:02] <bdizzle> true, there are too many sites that have spammed it recently. its sad
[05:02] <flaccid> as a rule of thumb, its best to not expect windows apps to work in wine, its a bonus when they do however. one day maybe ableton live will run
[05:03] <bdizzle> fujisan: open the folder as root, then edit sources.list
[05:03] <bdizzle> there should be an option on the right of dolphin to do it
[05:03] <flaccid> fujisan: well not really. kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list is pretty easy to use
[05:03] <Sixofour> well, now a days people generally say its hard to find a program that doesn't work in wine
[05:04] <fujisan> yeah it wont let me save when using kate
[05:05] <fujisan> bdizzle: i am using kde4 btw
[05:05] <flaccid> fujisan: what is the error?
[05:05] <bdizzle> oh
[05:05] <fujisan> the error is that i need permission
[05:06] <bdizzle> um, yeah, then command line, not sure what it is in kde4
[05:06] <flaccid> fujisan: ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list please
[05:06] <fujisan> yeah i did the commandline
[05:06] <fujisan> it failed on me
[05:09] <fujisan> i dont get what you mean by that flaccid?
[05:09] <flaccid> i would like to see the output of ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:09] <fujisan> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3442 2008-08-27 08:42 /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:10] <flaccid> and you are telling me doing kdesudo kate ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list and trying to save you get permission denied ?
[05:10] <flaccid> oops
[05:10] <fujisan> no
[05:10] <flaccid> i mean kdesudo etc/apt/sources.list
[05:10] <fujisan> sudo nano etc/sources.list works but it will create a new file
[05:11] <fujisan> when i save the output
[05:11] <fujisan> i just want it to work with nano
[05:11] <flaccid> ok let me try
[05:12] <flaccid> fujisan: i did sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and then pressed f3 and pressed enter (same filename) and it saved without a problem
[05:13] <fujisan> yeah on kde3
[05:13] <flaccid> has nothing to do with the DE
[05:14] <fujisan> so how can i open a dir with permission in dolphin?
[05:14] <flaccid> with permission?
[05:14] <fujisan> yeah
[05:14] <fujisan> so that i can delete files
[05:14] <flaccid> you can do root dolphin with kdesudo dolphin
[05:15] <Darkrift2> Anyone know why my kde4.1/kubuntu 8.10 built in wifi manager shows my ap, but doesnt connect to it? it puts it in the context menu like its connected but it says "state: disconnected" and I canot get it to connnect
[05:15] <flaccid> Darkrift2: #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 support please
[05:16] <Darkrift2> looking for wifi support, not kde support.. kde 4 is working fine for me. I was just giving background os information
[05:17] <flaccid> well i would imagine that intrepid has different networking etc. so you might have better luck in #ubuntu+1 as this is for hardy and prior
[05:19] <Sixofour> is kubuntu-kde4-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso the right iso for the latest non-beta type release?
[05:20] <flaccid> Sixofour: yep
[05:30] <luis> hola
[05:30] <flaccid> !es | luis
[05:30] <luis> ok
[05:31] <gkffjcs> can I toggle windows permission bits for hidden on a fat 32 volume, from linux?
[05:31] <gkffjcs> Since windows doesn't adhere to the dot file convention.
[05:38] <flaccid> gkffjcs: what do you mean, i don't get it?
[05:39] <flaccid> fat32 doesn't have permissions
[05:39] <gkffjcs> in ms windows if I select properties, on a file I can check box the file as hidden, ms doesn't use the dot standard
[05:39] <gkffjcs> if I have a mounted fat32 or ntfs
[05:39] <gkffjcs> is there a
[05:39] <gkffjcs> way I could essentially check that box form linuc
[05:39] <gkffjcs> x
[05:39] <flaccid> hmmm
[05:40] <gkffjcs> I know it wouldn't be hidden linux, but it would be hidden in windows the next time I reboot
[05:40] <flaccid> did you google?
[05:40] <gkffjcs> yeah, it's was really not so helpful
[05:44] <flaccid> i can't find anything either
[05:45] <gkffjcs> yeah, it seem like some one would have figured this out, but what ever, it's not critical, thanks!
[05:48] <tony_> is it safe to upgrade to kde 4.1 from 4.0?
[05:50] <bdizzle> I think most people skipped 4.0 and waited for 4.1
[05:50] <gkffjcs> YES!!!!! tony_ what are you waiting for do it, do it, do it!!!!!
[05:51] <tony_> i tried kubuntu alpha 4 and was working great except mythtv so i went back to 8.04. is it safe to upgrade to 4.1 w/out breaking mythtv?
[05:52] <gkffjcs> I have no Idea, why would i break myth? It might be a video card problem, or try disabling the fancy graphics
[05:53] <gkffjcs> but if there's a myth issue, If your really woried try installing virtual box, and testing it all in a vm first
[05:53] <tony_> idk but myth seems very touchy. it's hard for me to do a successful install so wanna make sure nothings going to screw it up
[05:54] <gkffjcs> honestly, I have been using kde4.1 for a while now, and I have not complaints, but if you have issues wiht myth, that is something you know morea bout than i
[05:56] <tony_> gkffjcs: i think it was more to do with 8.10 alpha, not exactly kde 4.1
[05:56] <gkffjcs> oh, sorry, I didn't notice the 8.10
[05:57] <gkffjcs> yeah, If your using this as a machine, that needs to be in working condition then i think it's safest to leave the system on 8.04
[05:58] <gkffjcs> infact 8.04 is an lts, if this is a server I'de jsut leave it on 8.04 until 10. what ever comes out the next lts
[05:58] <tony_> so is it recommended to upgrade to 4.1 before i install any apps? i don't want myth screwed up
[05:59] <gkffjcs> one second your confusing me, what are your running right now?
[05:59] <corigo> One of my very important shortcuts has been co-opted by Kopete. I am using OO and trying to type Ctrl-Shift-S to Save As, and instead Kopete pop-up from the tray. Any thoughts?
[06:00] <tony_> gkffjcs: kubuntu 8.04 w/ kde 4.0
[06:00] <gkffjcs> ok, then keep 8.04, and add the ppa repos, and upgrade you kde4 to kde4.1, it shouldn't hurt myth since myth is not a kde app
[06:01] <tony_> thanks guys
[06:02] <level1> corigo: just disable that shortcut for kopete
[06:02] <level1> corigo: if OO was a kde app, it would give you a helpful warning
[06:02] <corigo> Like, where, level1?
[06:02] <corigo> In Kopete?
[06:02] <level1> corigo: yeh
[06:03] <level1> corigo: kopete > settings > configure shortcuts
[06:03] <corigo> I don't see it in the list of shortcuts
[06:04] <level1> you're right
[06:04] <gkffjcs> corigo:  try system settings
[06:05] <gkffjcs> => keyboard and mouse
[06:05] <gkffjcs> => keyboard shortcuts
[06:05] <level1> yeah, anybody that is using kde 4.0 should either update to 4.1 or downgrade to 3.5.
[06:06] <gkffjcs> wow level1: jsut had to raine no my paraid???? ;-)
[06:06] <tony_> i'd agree. 4.1 is lots better than 4.0
[06:07] <corigo> not listed there either
[06:07] <gkffjcs> really?
[06:07] <level1> corigo: you have to change the combo box to kopete
[06:08] <corigo> level1: ??? combo box?
[06:08] <level1> tony_: its like, any argument against upgrading to 4.1 is an argument for downgrading to 3.5
[06:08] <level1> qed
[06:08] <level1> KDE component:
[06:08] <level1> it says configuration of keybindings, then it has two bottons, then it has the combo box
[06:09] <level1> mine is on kmix right now
[06:09] <tony_> i was kind of hesitant about where kde's going until i installed 4.1. i like the direction
[06:09] <level1> tony_: everything I thought i wasn't gonna work, like dolphin, turned out great
[06:09] <level1> tony_: but i'm becoming disappointed in my old friend konqueror
[06:09] <gkffjcs> how do I emote?
[06:10] <corigo> level1: ok, then how?
[06:11]  * level1 is dumbfounded
[06:11] <corigo> Found it.
[06:11] <level1> haha
[06:11] <tony_> level1: yeah. i like vista but still, i'm heading towards using kubuntu full time. i switched to on-board sound yesterday and vista told me i basically wasn't legit. had to call ms
[06:11] <gkffjcs> *has to go?
[06:11] <corigo> Ok, now how to update to 4.1?
[06:11] <level1> lame is lame
[06:11] <bdizzle> I don't think I actually gave konqueror a chance, just kept using firefox
[06:11] <level1> bdizzle: yeah
[06:12] <level1> bdizzle: I'm gonna start using firefox more, but i got really used to konqueror starting up instantly
[06:12] <level1> I want that in firefox
[06:12]  * level1 emotes
[06:12] <bdizzle> it does that because of that way konqueror is built
[06:12] <gkffjcs> "/gkffjcs emotes"
[06:12] <bdizzle> firefox immediately looks for the web
[06:12] <bdizzle> konqueror waits for you to tell it to go to the web
[06:13] <subin> Konqueror cant display internet page..but i can ping..
[06:13]  * gkffjcs emotes
[06:13] <level1> tony_: I'm suprised at how much the kde team took from vista
[06:13]  * gkffjcs NIce!!!
[06:13] <level1> yatta!
[06:13] <tony_> corigo: i think you have to edit your sources.list. it'll say on kubuntu site
[06:13] <bdizzle> heh
[06:13] <level1> tony_: there is a way to do it from the gui now
[06:13] <tony_> level1: yes, it's somewhat disappointing
[06:13]  * gkffjcs Needs to get up by 8:00 tomorrow!! good night all!
[06:13] <tony_> level1: how?
[06:13] <level1> bdizzle: I don't think that is true
[06:13] <bdizzle> well, I mean, its either a) steal from Vista  b) steal from OSX, or c) make your own
[06:13] <level1> tony_: through adept
[06:14] <level1> bdizzle: I don't think its really fair to critizise for taking ideas from other operating systems
[06:14] <bdizzle> oh, I'm not critizising
[06:14] <level1> otherwise we'll end up with a dozen mediocre operating systems each with its own nice features
[06:15] <level1> like, MacOS and search, or compositing
[06:15] <bdizzle> I'm simply stating that those are pretty much the choices. Hell, look at how much Apple and MS stole from each other over the years
[06:15] <level1> if only Apple had the rights to that, then linux and windows could never compete
[06:15] <level1> in the end, Apple is the only real innovator anyway
[06:15]  * level1 :)
[06:15] <bdizzle> lol
[06:16] <bdizzle> eh, Apple tries to make everything look pretty and succeeds. Linux tries to make it all work, and usually succeeds. Windows tries to do both, and usually fails
[06:16] <level1> bdizzle: I've never been impressed with linux's ability to make it all work
[06:17] <level1> Mac is way ahead of us, and even windows can hold its own when you buy from dell
[06:17] <bdizzle> I am, consider its not funded by anything really
[06:17] <bdizzle> Mac and Windows have what, thousands of thousands of paid workers to make their stuff
[06:17] <level1> well, you can't say a handcapped person is the fastest guy in the world if you consider that he's handicapped
[06:17] <level1> that doesn't really mean anything
[06:17] <bdizzle> true
[06:18] <Darkrift2> LOL bdizzle, i love how you put that
[06:18] <bdizzle> why?
[06:18] <tony_> i triple boot osx, linux, and vista. i'd say vista is my fav, and linux second. osx makes me feel gay and retarded
[06:18] <level1> Darkrift2: did you mean me?
[06:18] <Darkrift2> [22:15:45] <bdizzle> lol
[06:18] <Darkrift2> [22:16:20] <bdizzle> eh, Apple tries to make everything look pretty and succeeds. Linux tries to make it all work, and usually succeeds. Windows tries to do both, and usually fails
[06:18] <chipbuddy> how do i change the terminal font? i don't see it under system>preferences>font
[06:18] <Darkrift2> sorry
[06:18] <Darkrift2> meant to paste 1 line
[06:18] <level1> oh yeah
[06:18] <level1> chipbuddy: thats specific to your terminal
[06:19] <bdizzle> well, I mean, from my understanding, with the exception of Fedora and Red Hat, most of linux is made by people who work with it on their spare time, its not their main job in life
[06:19] <level1> chipbuddy: are you using konsole?
[06:19] <chipbuddy> i'm actually using the gnome terminal
[06:19] <bdizzle> I'm not saying that's a bad thing
[06:19] <Sixofour> man, all my other stuff .rared fast, but my pron has taken an hour to .rar
[06:19] <bdizzle> just says something when you can say that your work is actually able to compete with the two major players
[06:19] <Darkrift2> LOL
[06:19] <Sixofour> its just images :/
[06:19] <level1> chipbuddy: yeah, its specific to the gnome terminal, so look there.  You wouldn't find gnome stuff in kde anyway
[06:19] <Darkrift2> your pron is already compressed
[06:19] <level1> chipbuddy: why are you asking this on #kubuntu?
[06:19] <Darkrift2> rar is working harder to shove all those nude females into one space
[06:20] <Sixofour> well i have some ivdeos in there..lol
[06:20] <Sixofour> but ./jpg imagens can be compressed more
[06:20] <Sixofour> some videos*
[06:20] <chipbuddy> level1: oh i see... ok i found it. yeah i know it's bad from to ask gnome questions in kubuntu... but this channel is way more awesome
[06:20] <Darkrift2> there was a joke once about that
[06:20] <Sixofour> man tying
[06:20] <Sixofour> typing*
[06:20] <tiberius_> Is there any way to check if root account is enabled?
[06:20] <level1> Sixofour: images and video are already compressed. In theory, you should not be able to compressed already compressed stuff more
[06:21] <level1> chipbuddy: well, since this kind of issues is *so* gnome specific, you should at least mention that its gnome
[06:21] <Darkrift2> something about how does a nerd get a hundred nude females into one place, by zipping up his porn folders
[06:21] <Sixofour> lol
[06:21] <bdizzle> pretty much the only way its going to happen
[06:21] <level1> tiberius_: log into it?
[06:21] <chipbuddy> i didn't realize it was gnome specific
[06:21] <Darkrift2> it was funnier with the images
[06:22] <level1> me-eh... someone needs a content delivery system for porn
[06:22] <level1> like apt
[06:22] <level1> or k get hot new stuff
[06:22] <Sixofour> open source porn
[06:22] <Sixofour> would be nice
[06:22] <Darkrift2> LOL
[06:22] <Sixofour> creative commons pron
[06:23] <Sixofour> let all men fap equally!!!
[06:23] <Darkrift2> LOL
[06:23] <Darkrift2> wow
[06:23] <tiberius_> level1: I think I enabled it a while back, not sure, so I don't know the password, if there is one.
[06:23] <level1> man: "I wrote a program that allows you to download porn 6 times faster"  woman: "Why would you want that?"
[06:23] <Sixofour> these woman would eb shared and freely distrubted
[06:23] <Darkrift2> im imagining the command line version for the uber nerds without x
[06:23] <Darkrift2> ascii porn
[06:23] <Darkrift2> lol
[06:23] <level1> Darkrift2: I wanted to do that
[06:24] <Darkrift2> theres a website that does it
[06:24] <Darkrift2> you upload a picture and it makes it into ascii art
[06:24] <Sixofour> ascii art converter
[06:24] <Darkrift2> doesnt do a bad job either
[06:24] <level1> Darkrift2: create a web browser that outputs all webpages in a special cypher I wrote
[06:24] <Sixofour> so can KDE4 do sexy desktop effects?
[06:24] <level1> Darkrift2: so I can read unsafe stuff without people reading over my sholder
[06:24] <Darkrift2> nice
[06:25] <level1> Darkrift2: the cypher is simple enough to be read without any work
[06:25] <level1> you just have to know the trick
[06:25] <level1> Sixofour:
[06:25] <Sixofour> ?
[06:25] <level1> Sixofour: yeah... not all of the effects of compiz, but its still very nice
[06:25] <Sixofour> what is compiz?
[06:25] <level1> Sixofour: I perfer it over compiz
[06:25] <Darkrift2> heh
[06:25] <Sixofour> lol
[06:25] <Darkrift2> compiz is the sexy desktop effects program
[06:25] <level1> Sixofour: anytime you see sexy desktop effects for linux, its compiz
[06:25] <Sixofour> there is a program you can get for kde..forgot what its called
[06:25] <Darkrift2> linux eyecandy
[06:26] <Sixofour> maby it is compiz i am thinking of
[06:26] <level1> Sixofour: its default in kde 4
[06:26] <Sixofour> what i really want it unique icon sizes
[06:26] <Sixofour> lol
[06:26] <level1> Sixofour: the kde team wanted to create a compiz that didn't, um, suck
[06:26] <Sixofour> important stuff icons are huge, and rare programs i use are tiny
[06:26] <level1> Sixofour: what do you mean, icon sizes?
[06:26] <Darkrift2> LOL
[06:26] <level1> oh
[06:27] <level1> thats not really a compiz thing
[06:27] <Darkrift2> Sixofour, i think thats gnome :S
[06:27] <Sixofour> i got the idea off youtube, some dude had icons thast were like 300x200 or something
[06:27] <Sixofour> it was in kubuntu
[06:27] <Sixofour> lol
[06:27] <level1> you would need some non-default software to do it
[06:27] <Sixofour> let me find the video
[06:27] <Sixofour> yeah
[06:27] <level1> plasma might be able to do it soon
[06:27] <level1> depends on what it is you really mean
[06:28] <Sixofour> and the ability to remove the text from the icons..so it looks like i just got a pile of crap on my desktop lol
[06:28] <Sixofour> what i mean is the ability to set the demsions of the icons
[06:28] <Sixofour> dimensions
[06:28] <level1> well, plasma has that but it sucks
[06:28] <level1> and you can't disable the text I think
[06:29] <Sixofour> how hard is it really to code the ability to resize icons?
[06:29] <Darkrift2> probably hard
[06:29] <Sixofour> lol
[06:29] <Darkrift2> they would have to recode the grid also
[06:29] <Darkrift2> because different size icons woudlnt stack the same
[06:29] <Sixofour> grid shmid..can't you turn that off?
[06:29] <level1> Sixofour: do you have kde 4?
[06:29] <Sixofour> i will soon
[06:29] <level1> its actually pretty easy
[06:29] <Sixofour> on XP..backing up my stuff, then installing kubuntu
[06:29] <level1> just drag the icon to the desktop
[06:30] <level1> then make it bigger
[06:30] <level1> you understand once you have it
[06:30] <level1> as for deleting text
[06:30] <level1> not an option
[06:30] <level1> at this point
[06:30] <level1> I guess you could rename it to nothing
[06:31] <Darkrift2> installing 7.10 for the second time today
[06:31] <Darkrift2> got tired of 8.10/kde4
[06:31] <Darkrift2> going to do 7.10>8.04 and stay there
[06:31] <level1> Darkrift2: why not just get 8.04?
[06:31] <Darkrift2> no more media to burn it to
[06:31] <Darkrift2> and i have a 7.10 dvd
[06:31] <level1> 8.10 is super alpha, no suprise you didn't like it
[06:32] <Darkrift2> i liked it
[06:32] <jorgesandra> calmeichon cabro
[06:32] <Darkrift2> but it didnt like my wifi
[06:32] <Darkrift2> and adept didnt work
[06:32] <level1> it really failed to detect my graphics card correctly
[06:32] <jorgesandra> q no se va a caer na ....
[06:32] <Darkrift2> apt gave tons of errors
[06:32] <level1> is adept kde 4 now?
[06:32] <Darkrift2> looked and ran good besides that
[06:32] <p_quarles> !es | jorgesandra
[06:32] <Sixofour> i can't find the video..it was a video of kubuntu and compiz effects, and it had the song "Wine like a Gypsie" playing
[06:32] <p_quarles> !br | jorgesandra
[06:32] <jorgesandra> thanks
[06:33] <level1> Darkrift2: well, kde 4.1 is great... you might want to try to install it on 8.04
[06:33] <level1> lol, wrong guess
[06:33] <Darkrift2> not if it has the same network manager :@
[06:33] <level1> it doesn't
[06:33] <level1> it has the kde 3 one
[06:33] <level1> and anyway, kde isn't responsible if the wifi doesn't work
[06:33] <p_quarles> !punctuation | level1
[06:34] <Darkrift2> wifi worked in 7.10 and 8.04 and my networks showed up but was always state:disconnected
[06:36] <mil> KDE 3 detected my broadcom wireless on my laptop but not the intel IPW wireless on another laptop
[06:37] <mil> neither did the dlink wireless card work.  The tweaks on the internet are so difficult for me to follow
[06:37] <Sixofour> they need to write a "smart" irc...so that when you type one liners, the server/clients automaticly update it and add it to the previous line
[06:37] <Sixofour> omg
[06:37] <Sixofour> i just made a million dollar idea
[06:38] <mil> agree Sixfour
[06:38] <level1> mil: did you install the proprietary dirvers for IpW?
[06:38] <level1> ipw3945 ftw!
[06:39] <level1> Sixofour: that would be easy, except people would get their knickers in a twist about irc clients changing what other people were saying
[06:40] <Sixofour> lol
[06:40] <Sixofour> finally pron is done
[06:40] <Sixofour> it was 4.6 Gb
[06:40] <Sixofour> now lets look at it
[06:41] <Darkrift2> lol
[06:41] <mil> level 1 yes tried to but could not complete it coz it required removing the previously installed driver line that accompanied the latest kernels
[06:41] <darkrift_> !bcm43xx
[06:42] <level1> darkrift_: evil twin or secret alter ego?
[06:42] <mil> Ubottu! no problem with broadcom just IPW and DLink
[06:42] <darkrift_> anyone know where the ndiswrapper isntall script is? i found it earlier but cant not
[06:42] <darkrift_> now*
[06:42] <Sixofour> 2.80GB
[06:42] <Sixofour> :D
[06:42] <darkrift_> linux me
[06:42] <darkrift_> other is xp
[06:43] <level1> Sixofour: do you use disk encryption?  thats like the best thing ever
[06:44] <level1> Sixofour: although, you might not like the extra space it takes up
[06:45] <level1> !ipw
[06:46] <Darkrift2> wow
[06:46] <Darkrift2> wifi worked without nsidwrapper :S
[06:46] <level1> like it should
[06:46] <level1> are there any cards that still need nsidwrapper?
[06:47] <Darkrift2> i thought my bcm4311 did
[06:47] <mil> thanks ubottu the smart 'bot' hehe
[06:47] <Darkrift2> it always took soo much to get it working
[06:47] <Darkrift2> it seems "noapic nolapic" are all it needed
[06:47] <level1> Darkrift2: you know you won't get power management now right?
[06:47] <Darkrift2> yeah i do
[06:49] <Darkrift2> ok, upgrading to 8.04 now
[06:49] <Darkrift2> lets hope it all works :)
[06:49] <Darkrift2> going slow though... 650k dl :(
[06:49] <Sixofour> i was going to go from 5.10 to 8.04
[06:49] <Sixofour> lol
[06:49] <Darkrift2> i did it earlier
[06:49] <level1> god thats horrible
[06:49] <Sixofour> sucked?
[06:50] <Darkrift2> but i kept going to 8.10 like someone told me to.... and that was a bad idea
[06:50] <Sixofour> ubuntu doesn't have an "upgrade" button yet?
[06:50] <level1> Sixofour: if you gonna do that, just use debootstrap
[06:50] <Darkrift2> so im doing 7.10 to 8.04 agaiun
[06:50] <Darkrift2> yes it does Sixofour
[06:50] <Darkrift2> im dong it now
[06:50] <Darkrift2> doing*
[06:50] <Sixofour> no, i have a 8.04 iso
[06:50] <Sixofour> lol
[06:50] <Sixofour> need to burn it
[06:50] <level1> somepeople think that reinstalling is better than updating
[06:50] <Darkrift2> oh, i see.. i have 7.10 and im out of discs, do i used my 7.10 and doing dist upgrade now
[06:51] <Darkrift2> its a fresh install, i dont see how it could be different
[06:51] <Sixofour> i have 5.10 cds i got forn free
[06:51] <Darkrift2> install>upgrade all in the first 10 minutes
[06:51] <Sixofour> they sent like 50
[06:51] <Sixofour> i guess i added an extra 0
[06:53] <Sixofour> majn i hope steam and flstudio just 'work'
[06:53] <Sixofour> in wine
[06:53] <level1> Sixofour: I can say a thing or two about steam
[06:53] <p_quarles> !topic
[06:53] <level1> p_quarles: this is on topic
[06:53] <Sixofour> what can you tellme?
[06:54] <p_quarles> I hate to be a scold, but this is off-topic, and there is little respect for punctuation rules
[06:54] <Sixofour> huh?
[06:54] <p_quarles> this causes people like me to leave instead of idling in wait for actual support questions on Kubuntu -- not good
[06:54] <Sixofour> because someone talks about running programs on kubuntu?
[06:54] <level1> p_quarles: whether or not a program works in wine or not is a legitamate question.
[06:54] <p_quarles> level1, for #wine
[06:55] <bdizzle> ...
[06:55] <Sixofour> wine says "appDB"
[06:55] <Sixofour> lol
[06:55] <bdizzle> out of curiosity, any news on what is going on with Ibex?
[06:56] <Sixofour> level1 join #wine then tell me lol
[07:01] <Sixofour> what is the best program to use to make a cd from the kubuntu iso?
[07:01] <Sixofour> i don't think ive ever made an iso into a cd :/
[07:02] <bdizzle> k3b?
[07:02] <p_quarles> Sixofour, k3b or Brasero in Linux; I like infrarecorder and imgburn in Windows
[07:02] <sparr> power goes out at home.  roommate has problems using [my] computer afterwards, has her semi-tech-savvy friend come over to see if he can do anything while im not there.  he ends up calling me, and starts with "ok, dude...  i dont know vista, but this is some wicked shit".  im running kubuntu.
[07:02] <Sixofour> imgburn where can i get that safly?
[07:03] <Sixofour> lol sparr
[07:03] <p_quarles> www.imgburn.com ;)
[07:04] <Sixofour> lol
[07:09] <Sixofour> so, i'm going to install kubuntu soon..if i don't return, that means i failed and my computer exploded
[07:10] <Sixofour> and i will be suing kubuntu
[07:10] <sparr> how can i get kde['s mixer] to stop overriding my "alsactl store"d mixer settings?  every time i reboot my output devices are muted once kde starts.
[07:10] <sparr> kubuntu is too smart to let you survive such an explosion
[07:10] <Sixofour> it better be
[07:11] <Sixofour> or i'm going to sue it so hard my nose will grow and my hair will curl
[07:12] <Sixofour> i hope imgburn knows this needs to be a bootable cd
[07:13] <p_quarles> Sixofour, it doesn't need to know; just burn the image to the disk; the rest is an attribute of the CD image itself; the "make a bootable image" thing isn't needed
[07:13] <Sixofour> ok
[07:13] <Sixofour> i'll burn this, then restart my computer
[07:20] <calcmandan> hi guys.  i'm having an issue with x server failing to start at boot.  i'm getting kdm errors and then it loads to multiuser mode.  running most up to date 8.04.  the machine froze unexpectedly and all.  i'm currently running a previous image currently.  don't know where to begin here to find out why x is crashing.
[07:22] <noaXess> how can i check the encodig of a file? i have copied data from a dvd and have no files like "Grne Idylle.bmp"
[07:23] <p_quarles> noaXess, you can get some info with the "file" command (file /path/to/file)
[07:24] <noaXess> p_quarles: aha..
[07:24] <noaXess> but the encodig? Gr�ne Idylle.bmp: PC bitmap data, Windows 3.x format, 800 x 600 x 24
[07:24] <noaXess> or how can i change all the � to the needed letter.. here ü?
[07:25] <p_quarles> it's a Win .bmp file; that's all there is to it, I think
[07:25] <Sixofour> the same way you just changed it?
[07:25] <noaXess> Sixofour: i have copied this data from a dvd to my system.. the dvd was created on win
[07:26] <Sixofour> i was refering to that symbol
[07:26] <p_quarles> so you want to batch rename files?
[07:26] <Sixofour> he wants the encoding of a dvd
[07:26] <Sixofour> i think
[07:27] <noaXess> p_quarles: yes
[07:27] <noaXess> if i insert the dvd, the files look same as on my hd
[07:27] <p_quarles> noaXess, take a look at krename (in the repos)
[07:29] <noaXess> p_quarles: ok.. will check and rename..
[07:33] <liltortillaboy> Ugh... I have to disconnect
[07:38] <noaXess> p_quarles: its heavy to search and replace for this sign í»­ cause it ar two of them
[07:40] <noaXess> look at this p_quarles: http://files.wmx.ch/upload/jpg/70_sign.jpg
[07:41] <p_quarles> noaXess, no, you're definitely correct that this is an issue caused by text encoding differences between Win and Linux; I just can't think of anything better than renaming, sorry
[07:41] <noaXess> yes.. but all files manually?.. :)..
[07:42] <noaXess> can search and replace for this sign.. cause the first sign is allways linked to the letter before it
[07:42] <p_quarles> noaXess, you might be able to figure out a way of catching everything with regex; just be careful with that (or have everything backed up first)
[07:42] <noaXess> no prob.. dvd still here ;)
[07:45] <noaXess> p_quarles: do you use krename a lot?
[07:45] <noaXess> how cani enalbe the regex.. i activate it, but the edit button is still unusable
[07:46] <alucardromero> Finally, got it.
[07:46] <p_quarles> noaXess, I have never used it, actually; it just came up in the repo search I did
[07:46] <alucardromero> Sorry about the rapid name changes and disconnects.
[07:46] <noaXess> p_quarles: okay
[07:47] <noaXess> p_quarles: to my first question..how can i findout the encoding of those files.. cause krename has a encodig conversation plugin
[07:49] <p_quarles> noaXess, the "encoding" question was misleading, and everyone thought you meant media encoding formats :)
[07:49] <DarkriftX> does kubuntu have a ftp server built in?
[07:49] <DarkriftX> i thought before i was able to ftp to this laptop with just my username/pw but connection is refused
[07:49] <noaXess> p_quarles: no..
[07:50] <p_quarles> that said, the text is ASCII, and to the best of my knowledge, the difference is a filesystem difference, not a text encoding difference at the file level
[07:50] <noaXess> hm..
[07:50] <p_quarles> DarkriftX, no it doesn't; an out-of-the-box ftp server would be a tremendoulsy bad idea :)
[07:50] <DarkriftX> as bad as an out of the box ssh server?
[07:51] <p_quarles> DarkriftX, worse, and Kubuntu doesn't come with an ssh server either
[07:51] <DarkriftX> really
[07:51] <DarkriftX> i dont remember installing anythingh
[07:51] <DarkriftX> that sucks
[07:54] <dsmith_> hi I just updated a system from 7.10 to 8.04 and its crashing on me. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/134187
[08:00] <lenea> hey all, i've got a problem. after i installed some new updates, now KDE won't start. in the loading screen evrything loades except KDE, any ideas? thanks
[08:00] <lenea> right now i'm in console mode
[08:08] <lenea> hey all, i've got a problem. after i installed some new updates, now KDE won't start. in the loading screen evrything loades except KDE, any ideas? thanks
[08:16] <lenea> anyone..?
[08:20] <Sixofour> It didn't explode!
[08:21] <Sixofour> And the ATi drivers work
[08:21] <Sixofour> 60% of the battle is done.
[08:21] <Sixofour> though dunno if i have sound yet
[08:21] <Sixofour> What do i need again to access shared folders on an Windows XP system?
[08:23] <lenea> can anyone help me?
[08:23] <Sixofour> Ask your question, don't ask if you can ask a question.
[08:23] <lenea> already asked my question
[08:23] <Sixofour> oh, i didn't see it, sorry.
[08:23] <Sixofour> what was it?
[08:23] <lenea> i've just installed the new updates and now KDE won't start
[08:24] <Sixofour> and update for KDE?, which version
[08:24] <lenea> unfortunately, i have no idea what updates those were
[08:24] <lenea> i have kde 4
[08:25] <Sixofour> how are you talking to me now?
[08:25] <lenea> console mode
[08:25] <Sixofour> ah, ouch
[08:25] <Sixofour> well, i kinda just started with kubuntu 5 minutes ago, so i don't know
[08:25] <Sixofour> i am sure someone here knows
[08:26] <lenea> hopefully, thanks anyways
[08:27] <Sixofour> What samba stuff do i need to retrive files from  a windows xp machine, i got 5 results for samba :(
[08:39] <perimetral> у мну вопрос, люди, помогите плиз: установил audacity при запуске и последующей попытке удаления пишет update-mime-database: symbol lookup error: update-mime-database: undefined symbol: g_log_set_default_handler
[08:43] <Sixofour> so basicly..kubuntu uses 300mb of ram when idle?
[08:44] <Sixofour> xorg is running twice using 95mb of ram each
[08:44] <Sixofour> this is really slow
[08:45] <corrado> CIAO A TUTTI
[08:46] <Sixofour> xorg uses 95% of my cpu when i mouse over something
[08:46] <Sixofour> :(
[08:46] <corrado> Cè per caso qualche possessore di cellulare samsung
[08:46] <perimetral> people please help me: i installed the audacity and when i trying to start or remove it, i see this strings: update-mime-database: symbol lookup error: update-mime-database: undefined symbol: g_log_set_default_handler   __ sorry for my bad english
[08:50] <Sixofour> what can i do to make Kubuntu run better?
[08:50] <Sixofour> its running extremely slow
[08:50] <Sixofour> and its glitchy and generally crappy atm
[08:53] <flaccid> Sixofour: goto hardware drivers manager and enable the restricted driver if there is one
[08:53] <tony_> anyone know why xorg keeps using so much cpu on kubuntu 8.04?
[08:53] <baudthief> can anyone recommend a funky osX style launcher?
[08:54] <Sixofour> i did flaccid
[08:54] <flaccid> ok
[08:54] <tony_> baudthief: you tried awn?
[08:54] <Sixofour> tony xorg is horrible
[08:54] <Sixofour> its running 4 times using 95Mb ram each
[08:54] <baudthief> tony_: haven't tried any yet ;p
[08:55] <tony_> baudthief: i tried awn. not bad but still like kde's kicker
[08:59] <baudthief> tony_: actually nevermind, I just discovered alt+space
[08:59] <baudthief> handy :P
[09:00] <baudthief> super-cala-freakinawesome more like it
[09:00] <Sixofour> is video driver really the only option for making kubuntu run better?
[09:01] <Sixofour> its using like 300 process, most are using 5+  mb ram
[09:01] <baudthief> Sixofour: running 126 processes here, and thats a full-fleged 1 year old kubuntu install, with lots of useless shit :p
[09:01] <baudthief> ...including compiz/emerald lol
[09:02] <Sixofour> like...man
[09:02] <Sixofour> i have 1.2gb ram and 2.5ghz processor..kubuntu shouldn't even stutter
[09:02] <baudthief> 2.5GHz! That's like, sooooo last century ;p
[09:02] <Sixofour> lol
[09:03] <baudthief> how bad is it?
[09:03] <Sixofour> it should be enough to run kubuntu decent
[09:03] <Sixofour> everything is just..slow
[09:03] <baudthief> ya, my 1.7GHz centrino laptop (1GB ram) runs beautifully
[09:03] <Sixofour> i move a window..it takes a minute
[09:03] <baudthief> hard disk access during the move? or just very slow redraw?
[09:03] <Sixofour> i mouse over something for a tool tip..system stutters
[09:03] <Sixofour> maby its video
[09:04] <Sixofour> windows garble when i move them until i let go
[09:04] <baudthief> hmm... wouldn't hurt to try a proprietary driver, but even the run-of-the-mill framebuffer driver shouldnt be THAT slow
[09:04] <Sixofour> i'm using propritary
[09:04] <Sixofour> for ATi
[09:04] <baudthief> you're WHAT!? :P
[09:05] <baudthief> maybe your harddisk is running under PIO and not DMA
[09:05] <Sixofour> ati accelerated graphics drive
[09:05] <baudthief> whats your CPU like?
[09:05] <baudthief> *utilisation
[09:05] <Sixofour> its like?
[09:05] <Sixofour> xorg is useing 0% when my pc is idle..and krunner is always using 7%
[09:05] <baudthief> ctrl+escape, and order by user%
[09:05] <baudthief> weird
[09:05] <Sixofour> i forgot how to get back into system monitor
[09:06] <Sixofour> ah there
[09:06] <baudthief> what happens if you kill krunner :p
[09:06] <baudthief> it'd probably set fire to your dog or something hey
[09:06] <Sixofour> system monitor crashed
[09:06] <Sixofour> lol
[09:07] <Sixofour> actually..it did, it won't start anymore
[09:07] <baudthief> frustrating :p
[09:07] <Sixofour> aw wtf did you make me do?
[09:07] <Sixofour> ctrl+esc does nothing
[09:07] <baudthief> well technically I didnt MAKE you do anything, in fact, I'm just a figment of your imagination
[09:07] <baudthief> try alt+f2 and type "ksysguard"
[09:08] <baudthief> whoa... ksysguard is cool
[09:08] <Sixofour> this thing keeps poping up
[09:08] <baudthief> i've never tried it before
[09:08] <Sixofour> hardware driver window
[09:08] <Sixofour> alt+f12 does nothing
[09:08] <baudthief> alt+f2
[09:09] <Sixofour> hardware drivers window keeps poping up....damnit -_-
[09:09] <baudthief> whats it telling you :P
[09:09] <Sixofour> that a proprietry drive is in use, alt+f2 does nothing
[09:10] <baudthief> wow, I'd say you're pretty jacked there - maybe time to reinstall windows lol
[09:10] <Sixofour> nah fuck that
[09:10] <Sixofour> though windows does run better
[09:10] <baudthief> haha, good on yer
[09:10] <Hobbsee> !language
[09:10] <Sixofour> right now kubuntu is running about as bad as vista
[09:10] <baudthief> yeah these little issues are frustrating, especially when you cant find a resolution
[09:10] <Sixofour> or maby its my imagination
[09:11] <baudthief> I had a damn good ATi card at one point, but I couldnt get help with proprietary drivers, so I threw it out and bought a nVidia... everything works
[09:11] <baudthief> and I'm only $300 short :P
[09:12] <Sixofour> how come you couldn't get help?
[09:12] <baudthief> well none of the help I received actually err, helped I guess
[09:12] <baudthief> little issues like yours nobody could resolve
[09:12] <Sixofour> lol
[09:13] <Sixofour> how is killing krunner and it destroy my hotkeys related to ati drivers?
[09:13] <baudthief> it probably isn't lol
[09:13] <baudthief> on the upside if you replace your entire PC, everything would probably start working :P
[09:14] <Sixofour> replace with what?
[09:14] <baudthief> another PC maybe? with an arbitrary hardware configuration
[09:14] <Sixofour> ok..what the fuck, console doesn't work either
[09:15] <Sixofour> wtf did i kill?
[09:15] <Sixofour> whats krunner?
[09:15] <Sixofour> nothing works since you told me to kill it
[09:15] <baudthief> I asked what would happen if you killed it lol, can be fixed by restarting X though
[09:16] <baudthief> ctrl+alt+backspace should respawn everything after restarting X
[09:16]  * baudthief runs
[09:18] <Sixofour> is there any way to make ctrl+alt+backspace require a password?
[09:18] <Sixofour> or any process that shuts down or restarts the pc or desktop
[09:19] <baudthief> I've never actually heard of that
[09:19]  * baudthief googles
[09:21] <baudthief> hmm it appears as though you can disable the power button, and ctrl+alt+* modifiers, etc
[09:21] <baudthief> but to shutdown you'd haveto issue the shutdown command as an admin
[09:21] <baudthief> ie: sudo shutdown -r now
[09:21] <Sixofour> good, how?
[09:22] <baudthief> something like this : http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/20/disable-shutdown-for-normal-users/
[09:22] <baudthief> :P
[09:24] <baudthief> hooray I'm back to browsing directories using Konqueror and not shitty dolphin
[09:24] <Sixofour> dolphin
[09:24] <baudthief> Finally got the "sort by filetype" option back lol
[09:24] <Sixofour> i already know i won't like it
[09:24] <baudthief> it's installed by default with kubuntu 8.04
[09:24] <baudthief> annoying as hell man
[09:24] <Sixofour> i know :(
[09:25] <baudthief> its pretty easy to change back
[09:25] <Sixofour> this doesn't elt me disable ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:26] <baudthief> you'll need to edit xorg.conf for that
[09:26] <baudthief> Under "ServerFlags" just change the value of dontzap to yes
[09:26] <Sixofour> how do i do that?
[09:27] <baudthief> alt+f2, then kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:28] <Sixofour> kate is an invalid command..lol?
[09:28] <baudthief> try kedit :p
[09:29] <Sixofour> command not found.. o.O
[09:29] <baudthief> wtf
[09:29] <Sixofour> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf  <--command not found
[09:29] <baudthief> hmm
[09:29] <baudthief> try openning a shell and doing: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:30] <baudthief> might be complaining about kdesu
[09:30] <Sixofour> sudo: kate: command not found
[09:32] <baudthief> god dammit, what other text editors are available under kubuntu
[09:32] <baudthief> unless you're lying
[09:33] <baudthief> and you're running UBUNTU!
[09:33] <alec> kwrite...
[09:33] <Sixofour> i got it open in kate, there is no "server flags"
[09:33] <dwidmann> baudthief: http://www.xnowherex.com/images/sort_by_type.jpeg
[09:33] <baudthief> Sixofour: add it a'la this tutorial: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-disable-ctrlaltbackspace-from-restarting-x-in-gnome.html
[09:33] <baudthief> dwidmann: FAKE!
[09:33] <Sixofour> dalphin gives me an error message ...
[09:33] <baudthief> but seriously, how did you get that option lol
[09:34] <dwidmann> baudthief: by using dolphin instead of d3lphin :)
[09:34] <baudthief> god dammit lol
[09:34] <baudthief> I had no idea there was a dolphin variant called d3lphin
[09:35] <baudthief> I thought it was geeky humour that I just didnt get
[09:35] <dwidmann> baudthief: yes, that's the kde3 variant.
[09:35] <Sixofour> man WTf
[09:35] <Sixofour> i can't save xorg.conf
[09:35] <baudthief> access denied?
[09:35] <Sixofour> this is why global admin is a good thing
[09:35] <Sixofour> its write protected or something
[09:35] <baudthief> you need to edit it as root, thats why
[09:35] <dwidmann> !sudo
[09:36] <baudthief> you manually openned it didnt you :P
[09:36] <Sixofour> yes, i had to
[09:36] <baudthief> you lie!
[09:36] <baudthief> just do it all via console, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:36] <baudthief> add the lines, then press CTRL+O
[09:36] <Sixofour> what am i looking at?
[09:37] <baudthief> oldskool text edirot :p
[09:37] <baudthief> *editor
[09:37] <dwidmann> Sixofour: your computer screen
[09:37] <Sixofour> old skool failitor
[09:37] <Sixofour> how am i supposed to edit with this?
[09:37] <dwidmann> Sixofour: without a mouse
[09:37] <baudthief> you microsoft fanboy :P
[09:38] <baudthief> not everything's point-click-pull-yer-d*** lol
[09:38] <Sixofour> nio..editing files in DOs is easy
[09:38] <dwidmann> I might just have to save that one baudthief
[09:38] <baudthief> well imagine you're using edit.com :P
[09:38] <baudthief> dwidmann: hooray! I've been useful to at least one person today
[09:39] <Sixofour> oh my god
[09:39] <Sixofour> it won't klet me save
[09:39] <Sixofour> [use for one line of editing disabled]
[09:40] <Sixofour> use of one more*
[09:40] <baudthief> I think you fail at computers :P
[09:40] <Sixofour> no, kubuntu fails
[09:40] <baudthief> microsoft owns you
[09:40] <Sixofour> not really
[09:41] <baudthief> come on, you panicked without a mouse
[09:41] <baudthief> admit it :p
[09:41] <dwidmann> Sixofour: you could just use "kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" instead ...
[09:41] <Sixofour> ....
[09:41] <Sixofour> ive already edit the file
[09:41] <baudthief> dwidmann: ah, I suggested kdesu
[09:41] <Sixofour> i just ened to save it
[09:41] <dwidmann> baudthief: try not to give people a hard time in here
[09:41] <baudthief> I was only messin :\
[09:41] <Sixofour> why is it so hard to save a text file?
[09:42] <baudthief> Sixofour: it shouldnt be, have you got another program such as aticonfig open?
[09:42] <Sixofour> no
[09:42] <baudthief> either something's locked the file, or its not actually being edited as root
[09:42] <Sixofour> i ahve dolphin and firefox and irc open
[09:43] <Sixofour> its telling me [us of one more line for editing disabled]..thats the error
[09:43] <dwidmann> baudthief: I don't think there's a lock for that file, so it's bound to be the latter.
[09:43] <Sixofour> use*
[09:44] <baudthief> Sixofour: try dwidmann's suggestion, I told you to use kdesu before, kdesudo might work
[09:44] <baudthief> you can just copy/paste :P
[09:44] <baudthief> from the existing editor I mean
[09:44] <Sixofour> :((((
[09:44] <dwidmann> baudthief: in 8.04 onward, kdesu is a symlink to kdesudo
[09:44] <dwidmann> baudthief: or wait, it was 7.10
[09:44] <Sixofour> so how do i get out of this kate then?
[09:44] <baudthief> just close it
[09:44] <baudthief> dwidmann: I see
[09:45] <Sixofour> close terminal?
[09:45] <dwidmann> Sixofour: sure, why not
[09:45] <baudthief> close Kate, then close terminal - its cleaner lol
[09:45] <Sixofour> kate isn'topened
[09:45] <baudthief> o_O
[09:45] <baudthief> ok so, I guess you close terminal lol
[09:45] <Sixofour> i don't know what the fuck it was, i was editing the file in terminal
[09:46] <baudthief> oh, yeah you were using nano
[09:46] <baudthief> its a bit confusing at first
[09:46] <baudthief> Sixofour: try this last one lol
[09:46] <baudthief> alt+f2, then type: kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:46] <baudthief> should prompt you for root password, or catch fire
[09:46] <Sixofour> command not found
[09:46] <baudthief> #@&(@$*&)($#&*
[09:47] <Sixofour> are you doing this on purpose?
[09:47] <dwidmann> baudthief: try emacs ... nano isn't complex at all.
[09:47] <Sixofour> i just ened to edit the file
[09:47] <Sixofour> 5 editors and none of them can do it
[09:47] <Sixofour> thats pathetic
[09:47] <baudthief> dwidmann: What the hell is going on, he can run Kate from kicker, but not via cli?
[09:47] <dwidmann> Sixofour: that command should be found, unless you're using an old version of kubuntu
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> shabba
[09:47] <Sixofour> 8.04 kubuntu
[09:48] <Sixofour> everything you guys have told me to put into terminal = command not found
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> Sixofour: wassup?
[09:48] <baudthief> Sixofour: spinout, that seriously doesn't make any sense to me
[09:48] <Sixofour> i'm trying to disable ctrl alt backspace
[09:48] <Sixofour> they are giveing me unworking commands
[09:48] <baudthief> ActionParsnip: he needs to open some form of GUI text editor as root, nothing is working.
[09:48] <Sixofour> its 4am and i am about to shoot myself
[09:48] <dwidmann> kdesudo kate should work.
[09:49] <baudthief> but it doesnt... why :P
[09:49] <dwidmann> if it doesn't something is *very wrong*
[09:49] <baudthief> exactly
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> Sixofour: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:49] <Sixofour> its linux, what should i have expected?
[09:49] <Sixofour> i did that, can't save
[09:49] <baudthief> ActionParsnip: already tried, wont let him save, something about 1 line editing disabled
[09:49] <Sixofour> [use of one more line for editing disabled]
[09:50] <baudthief> Sixofour: Seriously, this is REALLY screwed up
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> Sixofour: you can if you press ctrl+x then hit Y to say Yes save the buffer, then hit enter
[09:50] <Sixofour> no one said that before
[09:50] <Sixofour> i'll try...again
[09:50] <Mithsir> Hi! My Laptop LCD does not correctly turn of after the DPMS/EnergyStar timeout - it goes dark for a second and than comes back on. How can I fix/debug this?
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> Sixofour: ok, sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/; cd ~/; sudo nano ./xorg.conf
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> Sixofour: you could make a copy to your home
[09:51] <Sixofour> !
[09:51] <baudthief> Sixofour: See we had no idea you'd understand that :P
[09:51] <Sixofour> well its too late for that
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> Sixofour: you could even try: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/; cd ~/; sudo chown <your username> ./xorg.conf; kate ./xorg.conf
[09:52] <Sixofour> i edited the file..i suppose x needs to restart for it to come into effect?
[09:52] <baudthief> yup
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> baudthief: theres more than one way to skin a cat
[09:52] <dwidmann> ActionParsnip: you skin cats! :O How could you!!??
[09:52] <dwidmann> (lol)
[09:52] <baudthief> ActionParsnip: It appeared he needed to know everything in lamens terms, I mean he panicked when he had to use a terminal :P
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> oh man
[09:53] <baudthief> omg ctrl+o to save? what is this the stone age? :P
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> i love the terminal, Ive used it for so long I find konqueror et al slooooooooow
[09:53] <Sixofour> so
[09:54] <baudthief> agreed
[09:54] <thefish> ye, everyone knows that the proper way to save is :w
[09:54] <baudthief> thefish: haha
[09:54]  * dwidmann is a fan of using the best tool for the job
[09:54] <baudthief> Sixofour: disabled?
[09:54]  * ActionParsnip thinks ctrl+alt+bs is useful for when your rig falls over / gets stuck
[09:55] <baudthief> ActionParsnip: Sixofour doesn't, I geuss theres always the magical SysRq key :P
[09:55] <thefish> ^ having ssh available is also pretty useful
[09:55]  * dwidmann agrees with ActionParsnip
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> looks like its still enabled
[09:56]  * ActionParsnip laughs
[09:56] <baudthief> that was a client quit that time lol
[09:57] <baudthief> Sixofour: did it work?
[09:57] <Sixofour> fg
[09:57] <Sixofour> hello?
[09:57] <baudthief> yo
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> werd
[09:58] <thefish> anyone figured out a way to get video thumbnail/previews in dolphin?
[09:58] <baudthief> Sixofour: You alive?
[09:58] <baudthief> damn, the guys gonna think it's a conspiracy
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> is it really worth it? Its quite hard to accidentally tap
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> plus most windows users are used to ctrl+alt+del
[10:00] <baudthief> ActionParsnip: he just wants to disable all users (except root) from shutting down or restarting
[10:00] <baudthief> "just" lol
[10:00] <baudthief> well to be fair he just wanted a means of password protection shutdowns
[10:01] <baudthief> *protecting
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> C+A+BS doesnt restart, only root can shutdown and reboot
[10:01] <baudthief> ActionParsnip: apparently restarting X was close enough
[10:01] <baudthief> to an actual restart, I mean
[10:02] <Sixofour> finally
[10:02] <Sixofour> chatzilla stopped working
[10:02] <baudthief> probably a connection issue
[10:02] <Sixofour> that disabled the command anyways
[10:02] <baudthief> hooray!
[10:02] <baudthief> now if your X breaks, you have to hard-reset lol
[10:02] <Sixofour> i am sure i'll find something else to piss me off, anyways, its 5am i need to go to sleep
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> Sixofour: fyi, only root can reboot and shutdown
[10:03] <dwidmann> Sixofour: but the night isn't even over yet :(
[10:03] <Sixofour> no, i just disabled ctrl alt backspace
[10:03] <Sixofour> i can hit pwoer button or what ever also
[10:14] <linadmin> kalimera
[10:20] <Jevsan> Hello, Is there kubuntu KDE 4.1 chat room? I just finished installing it and after login dont have desktop at all
[10:22] <flaccid> Jevsan: its mentioned in the topic
[10:22] <flaccid> oh you are there already :)
[10:23] <thefish> Jevsan: what do you mean no desktop? no icons is normal
[10:23] <Jevsan> yes, find it
[10:23] <Jevsan> no desktop, just black screen and the mouse
[10:23] <thefish> ok Jevsan i see you in kubuntu-kde4 :)
[10:24] <Jevsan> yes now I'm there
[10:55] <tony_> i'm upgrading to kde 4.1 but i'm getting unmet dependencies on kubuntu 8.04. is apt-get -f install safe to do?
[10:56] <JoshOvki> tony_: yeh apt-get -f install  should do it safley
[10:57] <tony_> JoshOvki: this is what i'm getting if you don't mind looking: http://pastebin.com/m4e333326
[10:58] <tony_> is that ok?
[10:58] <JoshOvki> tony_: yeh
[10:59] <JoshOvki> tony_: if you run sudo apt-get -f install   then that should be solved
[11:01] <tony_> thanks. i just reinstalled and don't want to fudge anything up again
[11:02] <JoshOvki> tony_: no problem, once its done re-run update and upgrade
[11:04] <tony_> apt-get -f upgrade or ....install? does it make a difference
[11:05] <JoshOvki> tony_:  -f install
[11:07] <tony_> thanks, done it. if it wasn't my second install and upgrading to 4.1 didn't take so long on my crappy dsl, i wouldn't be as nervous
[11:08] <JoshOvki> yikes, we have all been there tho :)
[11:08] <JoshOvki> still need to pack for my holiday, must leave in 2 hours
[11:08] <tony_> thanks, good luck. going to reboot
[11:19] <enzo> hi
[11:22] <enzo> that's strange, i've upgraded to hardy, and php5-mcrypt is no more loaded
[11:23] <enzo> in fact i have php 5.2.4 et only php5-mcrypt 5.2.3, maybe the problem comes from this difference, any idea to correct this problem ?
[11:48] <AndrewMohawk> where can i find the user settings for kde (specifically in this case the screen resolution)
[12:09] <jopk> hi
[12:09] <jopk> how can I find out which version of kde is installed?
[12:12] <ghostcube> kde --version
[12:12] <ghostcube> isnt this working ?
[12:12] <ghostcube> or just open kcontrol
[12:12] <ghostcube> :)
[12:23] <P3X-018> How can you make a Panel on the Desktop that you can fill in with shortcuts to applications, and that hides when you move the courser away from it?
[12:24] <P3X-018> Ie the Mac style panel. I remember I've used it before, but can't remember how to put it there.
[12:31] <turtlez> P3X-018: avant-window-navigator ?
[12:32] <ghostcube> kiba-dock
[12:33] <ghostcube> no awn on kde
[12:33] <P3X-018> turtlez: Don't know what it's called.
[12:33] <ghostcube> P3X-018: kiba-dock cairo-dock or awn
[12:33] <ghostcube> but awn and cairo not working well on kde
[12:36] <P3X-018> Hmm.. I can add a Panel on the desktop. Can't I make that panel be on top of the normal panel which shows the Time/Date open apps and etc. And that hides when I don't point at it
[13:10] <myk_robinson> how can I download packages from Adept and save the .deb files? I need to get a few apps to take to a friend who doesnt have internet.
[13:14] <thefish> myk_robinson: any packages you download should end up in /var/cache/apt/archives
[13:14] <gobolinuxnybegyn> hello. i have installed kubuntu to my laptop. but the browser doesnt work, it cant find the cd or dvd. can anybody help me?
[13:14] <myk_robinson> the ones i need are not there. Do i need to reinstall them from adept?
[13:15] <thefish> myk_robinson: you probably could do that, or apt-get install -d xyz
[13:16] <myk_robinson> says the app is already the newest version. By console, how do i force a reinstall, including dependencies?
[13:17] <xanax`> hello
[13:17] <sebastian_> how do i get office to auto correct my spelling? nothing works.
[13:18] <myk_robinson> kubuntunygehyn: what do you mean that the browser wont work?
[13:18] <kubuntunybegyn> it doesnt connect to internet
[13:19] <myk_robinson> okay. What type of internet connection do you have?
[13:19] <kubuntunybegyn> its like the programs are empty
[13:19] <myk_robinson> does network manager show you connected?
[13:19] <kubuntunybegyn> wlan
[13:19] <myk_robinson> open a konsole and type    ifconfig    do you have a valid IP address?
[13:20] <myk_robinson> also, have you tried pinging?
[13:20] <kubuntunybegyn> its says the zeroconf daemon is not running
[13:22] <myk_robinson> this is what the console reports?
[13:24] <kubuntunybegyn> now i found a place where i could turn the zeroconf on..i dont know if it will work or have something to do with anything.
[13:24] <myk_robinson> has the internet ever worked?
[13:24] <kubuntunybegyn> no. i installed kubuntu yesterday on an empty harddisk
[13:24] <myk_robinson> wonder if the install partially failed..
[13:25] <myk_robinson> in console, try    ping yahoo.com
[13:25] <myk_robinson> let it run a few times, then press Ctrl+C to stop it..
[13:25] <kubuntunybegyn> yes..thats what i think because everything seems ..empty
[13:25] <myk_robinson> just see if you can even get out
[13:25] <myk_robinson> oh..
[13:25] <myk_robinson> was the disk dirty? any errors encountered while installing?
[13:26] <kubuntunybegyn> no the installing seemed perfect.
[13:26] <myk_robinson> your menus are empty and everything?
[13:26] <myk_robinson> does pinging work?
[13:28] <kubuntunybegyn> no not everything. the word program is working.
[13:28] <ForgeAus> is there a way to extract/restore a windows .??_ file in Linux?
[13:28] <kubuntunybegyn> what is pinging..?
[13:28] <kubuntunybegyn> every program i opening and everything is there, but ....
[13:34] <LinuxReign> to ping, open a konsole and type ping www.google.com
[13:34] <LinuxReign> u should have a package exchange
[13:46] <ForgeAus> !grub
[13:55] <jopk> hi
[13:55] <jopk> can I downgrade kde4 to kde 3 easily?
[13:59] <vazgol> Hi...I have two kubuntu setups..one at work and the other at home..Is it possible to "sync" the kde configs on both?
[14:00] <jhutchins> vazgol: You can sync the hidden folders in your home directory, but some configuration is stored elsewhere.
[14:00] <vazgol> jhutchins, you mean a cp .kde4?
[14:01] <vazgol> as in copying the .kde4 folder?
[14:04] <jhutchins> rsync -avz /home/<user>/* home.host.name:/home/<user>/
[14:13] <baudthief> anyone know of a descent alternative to Evolution/Outlook? It's crashing intermittantly, driving me insane
[14:13] <baudthief> *decent
[14:13] <thefish> baudthief: kontact is excellent
[14:14] <baudthief> thefish: damn, I thought that was just an address book, never touched it since the install :P
[14:14] <thefish> baudthief: its an excellent pim
[14:15] <baudthief> yeah it definitely looks the part!
[14:15] <thefish> its a wrapper around a few apps like kmail etc
[14:15] <baudthief> Any idea if I'm able to import everything from evolution?
[14:15] <baudthief> damn... I can, theres an option
[14:15] <thefish> not sure direct, but its quite easy to set up a local imap server with dovecot to do this
[14:15] <baudthief> #@*&^$#*^$
[14:16] <baudthief> thanks heh
[14:16] <thefish> there you go then :)
[14:16] <ForgeAus> wow xara-xtreme is kinda interesting
[14:16] <ForgeAus> and kvirc is a very feature-filled IRC client!
[14:18] <ForgeAus> hehe theres an opensource project for desqview for DOS! :)
[14:18] <baudthief> Oh my god. Kontact is freakin' awesome.
[14:19] <baudthief> No more need for outlook under Virtualbox :p
[14:23] <P3X-018> How can I make Firefox the standard browser? Because it's keeps using Konqueror when I press on a link here for instance.
[14:32] <huygens> #aims
[14:40] <fabrizio> solo per dire ciao
[14:40] <fabrizio> ciao
[14:41] <Tm_T> hi kids
[14:42] <bazhang> !it | fabrizio
[14:42] <manuelperez_> hola
[14:43] <Pici> !es | manuelperez_
[14:43] <manuelperez_> hello
[14:45] <manuelperez_> hello
[14:45] <manuelperez_> hay alguien
[14:45] <LinuxReign> si
[14:45] <manuelperez_> ok
[14:45] <manuelperez_> de donde sos
[14:45] <LinuxReign> Panama
[14:45] <manuelperez_> ok
[14:46] <Tm_T> english please
[14:46] <manuelperez_> eres women o men
[14:47] <manuelperez_> que programa tienes en tu computardora
[14:47] <LinuxReign> ok, at least let me tell this guy how to join an spanish channel
[14:47] <manuelperez_> hello
[14:47] <Tm_T> LinuxReign: oh please do
[14:47] <manuelperez_> que es este programa
[14:48] <LinuxReign> manuelperez, necesitas unirte a un canal quesea en espanol para poder conversar en espanol
[14:48] <manuelperez_> este es kubunto o que
[14:48] <Tm_T> !es
[14:48]  * Tm_T hides
[14:48] <manuelperez_> pero que programa es este
[14:48] <manuelperez_> hello
[14:48] <jpds> manuelperez_: /join #kubuntu-es
[14:49] <manuelperez_> what?
[14:49] <LinuxReign> manuelperez, escribe /join #ubuntu-pa
[14:49] <manuelperez_> esto que windows es
[14:50] <LinuxReign> no puedo ayudarte si no te unes a un canal en espanol manuelperez
[14:50] <manuelperez_> ok
[14:50] <manuelperez_> y como entro
[14:51] <LinuxReign> escribes,  /join #ubuntu-pa
[14:51] <manuelperez_> ya
[14:55] <fabrizio> what software you use for irc?
[14:56] <Tm_T> fabrizio: irssi, konversation, kopete ...
[15:00] <manuelperez_> hello
[15:00] <manuelperez_> you
[15:00] <manuelperez_> gringos
[15:00] <manuelperez_> gay
[15:03] <_Apmet> FOR INCONVENIENCES YOU HAVE TO GO TO THIS CHANNEL ##kubuntu
[15:06] <manuelperez> hello
[15:06] <manuelperez> you what
[15:07] <nicobrain> hello .... is anybody here who know about konqueror?
[15:08] <ForgeAus> what about konqueror exactly?
[15:08] <ForgeAus> (note theres also a #KDE)
[15:08] <nicobrain> about the webbrowser...
[15:08] <fabrizio> yes
[15:09] <fabrizio> but what are your problem?
[15:09] <nicobrain> if i want to open a link, he wants to save this or open that in a other programm
[15:09] <ForgeAus> nicobrain its also a file manager
[15:09] <nicobrain> i know...but i want to use it as browser
[15:09] <fabrizio> ok use it as a browser
[15:09] <ForgeAus> oh IC nico, I've had that problem too, is the link a .htm(or .html) file?
[15:09] <nicobrain> yes .... or php
[15:10] <ForgeAus> uh I don't know about php
[15:10] <ForgeAus> kde-apps.org had this problem occasionally with konqueror in edgy, I thought it was fixed by now
[15:10] <ForgeAus> some URL's konqui didn't open internally
[15:11] <fabrizio> I did never experienced this prob
[15:11] <nicobrain> some??? nothing :(
[15:11] <fabrizio> could you give me a problem link?
[15:12] <nicobrain> rene-kalk.de
[15:12] <fabrizio> a problematic link
[15:13] <nicobrain> http://www.zimmereikorth.de/
[15:15] <nicobrain> have you the same problem too, fabrizio?
[15:15] <fabrizio> no, I haven't
[15:15] <nicobrain> hm ....
[15:15] <nicobrain> maybe the settings?
[15:15] <fabrizio> what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:16] <nicobrain> the last,. 8.04
[15:16] <fabrizio> ok prvably is a settings thing
[15:17] <nicobrain> but what is wrong?
[15:18] <nicobrain> fabrizio: whats your file settings for *html, *php?
[15:21] <fabrizio> *html *.HTML *.htm *.HTM *.shtml
[15:21] <fabrizio> *.html
[15:21] <fabrizio> as preferences, konqueror at first
[15:22] <nicobrain> wich string for konqueror? openProfile?
[15:23] <fabrizio> what?
[15:24] <nicobrain> mom
[15:24] <fabrizio> lol
[15:25] <nicobrain> thx ... it works.. :D ... *html *.HTML *.htm *.HTM *.shtml was with kate as default ;)
[15:25] <fabrizio> ok
[15:26] <nicobrain> have a nice day ;)
[15:26] <fabrizio> bye
[15:30] <Ramblurr> when i login via kdm, it quits to console even though I have a KDE session type selected
[15:30] <Ramblurr> and i'm forced to startx manually
[15:31] <lenore> what's the deb sources.list line for 3.5.10 ?
[15:32] <Tm_T> lenore: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-3.5.10
[15:32] <Tm_T> lenore: smells like it's talking about backports
[15:33] <lenore> Tm_T: thanks but that requires adept, I just want to apt-get it
[15:33] <Tm_T> lenore: yes, hardy-backports if you're looking for hardy
[15:33] <faileas> Tm_T: add backports and update
[15:33] <lenore> tah
[15:33]  * faileas is on 3.5.10 ;p
[15:33] <Tm_T> faileas: I know it, son ;)
[15:33] <faileas> oops
[15:33] <faileas> wrong person
[15:33] <faileas> sorry
[15:33] <Tm_T> heh
[15:34]  * faileas is frazzed with a struggle with debian ;p
[15:38] <lenore> Tm_T: thanks for your help
[15:38] <manuelperez> hello as this one
[15:39] <Tm_T> hi hi
[15:39] <manuelperez> hi
[15:40] <manuelperez> you are woman or man
[15:40] <manuelperez> ?
[15:40] <faileas> yes
[15:40] <manuelperez> yes what
[15:40] <manuelperez> ?
[15:40] <Tm_T> manuelperez: why asking?
[15:41] <manuelperez> for nothing
[15:42] <Tm_T> then you don't need to know ;)
[15:43] <manuelperez_> to know that
[15:44] <Tm_T> manuelperez: you realise this is kubuntu support channel?
[15:45] <manuelperez__> que copiones de nombre
[15:51] <el> i
[15:51] <el> hello
[15:53] <el> hello
[15:53] <el> all
[15:53] <el> mute
[15:53] <Elda> Hello
[15:53] <el> hi
[15:53] <bliz0r> Hi
[15:54] <el> Wherefrom you are
[15:54] <el> Where from you are
[15:54] <el> The one who is of venezuela
[15:54] <el> ?
[15:55] <bazhang> !es | el
[15:56] <el> what
[15:56] <bazhang> el this is not chat channel.
[15:56] <el> ok
[15:56] <bliz0r> #ubuntu
[15:57] <el> ok
[15:57] <el> jejeje
[15:57] <Tm_T> bliz0r: erm?
[15:57] <bliz0r> Sorry, forgot the channel join command.
[15:57] <Tm_T> I see
[15:57] <zx> Hi; i installed kubuntu, and i got a 40 GB disk, and now i see that i have a 20 GB disk and another one, but the another one (also has 20 GB) is always umount and i can't write nothing on it!!! what's that?? thenks
[15:57] <el> ???????????'
[15:58] <zx> i lost that 20 GB????
[15:59] <faileas> er
[15:59] <faileas> what was on the drive before?
[15:59] <faileas> and what FS?
[15:59] <el> coño nadien es de venezuela
[15:59] <zx> i had windows c and d
[15:59] <el> a
[15:59] <faileas> h,,
[15:59] <el> qui
[15:59] <faileas> NTFS?
[15:59] <rwarner_wrkdsktp> hi, what is the name of the gui install and upgrade appliaction?
[16:00] <zx> yes but in properties it says that is ext3
[16:00] <faileas> rwarner_wrkdsktp: adept
[16:00] <rwarner_wrkdsktp> ty
[16:00] <el>  coño nadien es de venezuela
[16:00] <faileas> zx: hmm what error do you get when you try to mount it?
[16:00] <fabrizio> are you monting it while root?
[16:00] <zx> i  just can't
[16:01] <zx> ah! in propieties says that belong to root
[16:01] <faileas> ;)
[16:01] <zx> ?
[16:01] <fabrizio> _-_
[16:01] <faileas> chown it i guess?
[16:01] <zx> i'm a total rookie how i do that?
[16:01] <fabrizio> -_-
[16:01] <zx> how how ???
[16:02]  * faileas isn't sure if thats the 'right' way to do it
[16:02] <faileas> but chown /path/ username i think
[16:02] <fabrizio> sudo mount nameofthedrive
[16:02] <bliz0r> sudo chown user:user dir, I think?
[16:02]  * faileas can't remember ><
[16:02] <zx> i have it mount but still i can't write or copy nothing
[16:02] <faileas> sad since i need to do it next month
[16:03] <bliz0r> Can't you write to the mount as root?
[16:03] <faileas> erm,,
[16:03] <faileas> in theory, yes
[16:04] <manuelperez> o
[16:04] <manuelperez> hello
[16:05] <manuelperez> que canal
[16:05] <manuelperez> what
[16:05] <Tm_T> manuelperez: hi, mind to behave?
[16:05] <manuelperez> channel
[16:05] <manuelperez> what channel
[16:05] <coreymon77> this is #kubuntu
[16:05] <manuelperez> ok
[16:07] <manuelperez> [mié ene 9 2008] [10:22:55] |Unirse| Se ha unido al canal #kubuntu!.
[16:08] <coreymon77> manuelperez: please only speak english in this channel
[16:08] <coreymon77> if you wish to speak other languages, pleae go to one of the localized channels
[16:08] <zx> how do i do root??????????????
[16:08] <manuelperez> ok
[16:08] <Tm_T> zx: sudo <commands>
[16:09] <zx> ? i don't know!!!
[16:09] <manuelperez> You are of it uses
[16:09] <zx> commands?
[16:09] <manuelperez> ?
[16:09] <manuelperez>  commands?
[16:09] <zx> ?
[16:10] <coreymon77> zx: in order to run a command as root, type sudo followed by the command you want to run
[16:10] <bazhang> zx dont use root use sudo
[16:10] <manuelperez> #kubunto.es
[16:10] <rwarner_wrkdsktp> anyone know how to upgrade subversion on kubuntu version X
[16:10] <bazhang> zx sudo apt-get install vlc for example
[16:10] <zx> ok i'll try it
[16:10] <manuelperez> That channel existsvv
[16:10] <manuelperez> That channel exists
[16:11] <bazhang> zx that is actually a nice app :)
[16:11] <coreymon77> manuelperez: what you want is #kubuntu-es
[16:11] <RurouniJones> !es
[16:11] <RurouniJones> Let the bot do the work ;)
[16:11] <coreymon77> zx: heres a tip about linux that you should know
[16:11] <bazhang> manuelperez, no; /j #kubuntu-es
[16:11] <coreymon77> zx: dont run a command using sudo unless you know what it does
[16:11] <manuelperez> ok
[16:11] <manuelperez> no
[16:11] <rwarner_wrkdsktp> yes apt-get get sthe latest for the current version of kbunut i have but not the lastest version of subversion which i need
[16:11] <zx> oh my god!!! it says command not found!!!
[16:12] <coreymon77> what
[16:12] <manuelperez> what no
[16:12] <bazhang> zx then your repos are not enabled
[16:12] <coreymon77> you typed it wrong
[16:12] <zx> sudo /media/disk
[16:12] <coreymon77> manuelperez: #kubuntu-es is what you want
[16:12] <Pici> Thats not a command
[16:12] <faileas> ....
[16:12] <bazhang> zx no not that
[16:12] <zx> so?
[16:12] <bazhang> zx what do you want to do
[16:12] <coreymon77> zx: if its not a command, its gonna say command not found
[16:13] <manuelperez> ?
[16:13] <zx> have my 20 GB back!!!
[16:13] <manuelperez> what
[16:13] <bazhang> zx relax
[16:13] <bazhang> manuelperez, please stop
[16:13] <manuelperez> ya
[16:13] <coreymon77> manuelperez: we are not talking to you, this doesnt concern you
[16:13] <zx> come on manuelperez stop it
[16:14] <manuelperez> ok
[16:14] <bazhang> zx what happened to your 20 GB
[16:14] <coreymon77> zx: what is it you want to do
[16:14] <manuelperez> me lazas
[16:14] <faileas> bazhang: its owned by root. he needs to change ownership or permissions so he can use it
[16:14] <coreymon77> we said english only
[16:14] <coreymon77> oh, then use chmod
[16:14] <manuelperez> si ingles
[16:14] <zx> lazas??? yo'll mean me laxas
[16:15] <faileas> yeah
[16:15] <zx> how do i do that?
[16:15] <RurouniJones> !es | manuelperez
[16:15] <coreymon77> zx: dont encourage him
[16:15] <bazhang> he is already in kubuntu-es
[16:15] <zx> sorry
[16:15] <RurouniJones> Ah right
[16:15] <manuelperez> es mejor windows xp
[16:15] <faileas> coreymon77: i can't remember the 'correct' octet. i always go 777 ;p
[16:15] <coreymon77> i dont know the numbers either
[16:16] <RurouniJones> or just use the letter commands
[16:16] <RurouniJones> ugo+rwx
[16:16] <faileas> ... what letter commands >_>
[16:16] <RurouniJones> or a combination thereor
[16:16] <faileas> ... they had letter commands... damn...
[16:16] <RurouniJones> chmod ugo (use group other) + or - rwx (read write execute)
[16:17] <RurouniJones> the easier way to assign privs for those of us who haven't memoried the number combinations ;)
[16:17] <coreymon77> Tm_T: some people just wont listen huh?
[16:17] <zx> i'm confuse
[16:18] <bazhang> !chmod
[16:18] <rwarner_wrkdsktp> hi, how do i update my current version of subversion to the latest version of subversion? apt-get is not getting the latest version
[16:18] <coreymon77> rwarner_wrkdsktp: it wont if the "latest" version isnt in the repos yet
[16:19] <faileas> rwarner_wrkdsktp: if the latest version isn't in the repos, you may need to compile it yourself. the subversion website should have details i'd think. if you want to use apt to manage the package then you can use checkinstall
[16:19] <zx> i think i just lost 20 GB
[16:19] <bazhang> rwarner_wrkdsktp, why do you need that one
[16:19] <coreymon77> zx: no you didnt
[16:19] <zx> i'm so confuse i don't know nothin'!!
[16:20] <bazhang> zx take it easy; its not lost
[16:20] <faileas> zx: try sudo chmod 777 /path/to/drive
[16:20] <rwarner_wrkdsktp> Becasue the repo is using the latest and svn cleanup command fails sayign it need sthe latest version of subversion
[16:20] <coreymon77> if anyone here knows how to use chmod, please help out zx
[16:20] <faileas> (its not totally secure but it should work)
[16:20] <coreymon77> faileas: its totally insecure more like it
[16:20] <rwarner_wrkdsktp> so looks like ... build it and they will come .... great update path .... :/
[16:21] <faileas> coreymon77: yeah, i need to find that octet generator site >_>
[16:21] <zx> do i do that or not?
[16:21]  * bpsew is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.
[16:21] <faileas> zx: that SHOULD make the drive readable, writable and executable by ALL users on the system
[16:21] <faileas> it will be usable but not secure
[16:22] <liam> can anyone help me with my sound card?  It's a Realtek AC'97, and there's no sound coming from the speakers. I downloaded the drivers from thier website, but it hasn't worked...
[16:22] <liam> :(
[16:22] <faileas> i think chown might be a better solution (it moves ownership)....
[16:23] <el> what
[16:23] <faileas> zx: try sudo chown (your username) /path/
[16:23] <el> #ubunto.es
[16:23] <vb> shut up el!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:23] <coreymon77> wait a sec
[16:23] <el> jejeje
[16:23] <Tm_T> vb: behave
[16:23] <el> what
[16:23] <coreymon77> thats ban evasion
[16:23] <faileas> it is probably /dev/sd(some letter) some number
[16:23] <vb> manuelperez or whatever your name is!!!
[16:23] <coreymon77> Tm_T: isnt that ban evasion
[16:23] <coreymon77> ?
[16:24] <el> yes and what
[16:24] <Tm_T> coreymon77: yes, son
[16:24] <coreymon77> Tm_T: doesnt that warrant kline?
[16:24] <Tm_T> coreymon77: could yes
[16:24] <vb> please el get out
[16:24] <faileas> zx: that command should give *you* control over the partition in question, and maintain the current permissions
[16:24] <faileas> makes sense/
[16:25] <faileas> ?
[16:25] <coreymon77> ya, changing the permissions is prob a bad idea
[16:25] <Tm_T> vb: old saying, leave administration for admins, but you can always notify us if we are needed ;)
[16:25] <coreymon77> Tm_T: should i call a freenode staffer if he comes again?
[16:25] <faileas> coreymon77: looks like he misconfigured an install personally
[16:25] <Tm_T> coreymon77: please do, I might not be around much longer today
[16:26] <coreymon77> faileas: prob
[16:26] <coreymon77> Tm_T: okay, if he comes back ill call a staffer
[16:26] <Tm_T> coreymon77: thanks (:
[16:26] <faileas> actually...
[16:27]  * faileas can't remember why he's on chan. i usually come here ONLY when something breaks, and i end up helping...
[16:27] <coreymon77> i just help anyways
[16:27] <faileas> oh yeah. stupid old laptop, and debian issues ;p
[16:27] <faileas> coreymon77: i'm not on freenode that much ;p
[16:27] <coreymon77> i am
[16:28] <liam> can anyone help me with my sound card?  It's a Realtek AC'97, and there's no sound coming from the speakers. I downloaded the drivers from thier website, but it hasn't worked...
[16:29] <cv> i'm zx i'm still can't do nothin'
[16:30] <cv> the disk is lost
[16:30] <coreymon77> cv: no it isnt
[16:30] <coreymon77> cv: is there anything currently on the disk?
[16:31] <cv> things that i don't what are!
[16:31] <cv> bin; boot; root etc...
[16:32] <cv> those folders
[16:32] <coreymon77> faileas: wait a sec, isnt that his / partition?
[16:32] <coreymon77> faileas: as in he cant access his drive at all?
[16:33] <cv> i can't
[16:33] <cv> i open it but i can't do nothin'
[16:33] <coreymon77> cv: try something for me
[16:33] <coreymon77> open your home folder
[16:34] <cv> ok
[16:34] <cv> and?
[16:34] <coreymon77> whats the name of your user account on your computer
[16:35] <cv> john
[16:35] <coreymon77> so are you in /home/john ?
[16:35] <cv> yes
[16:35] <coreymon77> make a new folder
[16:36] <cv> done
[16:36] <cv> then?
[16:36] <coreymon77> so, wait, what exactly is the problem
[16:36] <cv> ?
[16:36] <coreymon77> youre not supposed to be able to edit the place where it says bin, boot, etc, root
[16:36] <coreymon77> only root can edit those
[16:37] <coreymon77> thats so that you dont muck up your comptuer
[16:37] <cv> it's a partition?
[16:37] <coreymon77> cv: its what your computer boots from
[16:37] <cv> but i think i have 2!
[16:38] <coreymon77> alright, do something for me
[16:38] <coreymon77> sudo apt-get install qtparted
[16:38] <cv> when the compu starts i see that it says Ubuntu ..... and says below: other system operatives . Ubuntu 8.0.4
[16:38] <cv> ok
[16:38] <MachinatorSyver> could anyone help me get my mic working?
[16:39] <cv> done
[16:39] <coreymon77> okay, go into your kmenu and open qtparted
[16:40] <cv> i can't open it!!
[16:40] <coreymon77> why not
[16:41] <coreymon77> what happens when you try
[16:41] <cv>  «qtparted-root» it doesn't exist
[16:42] <coreymon77> a window popped up saying that
[16:42] <cv> ????????????????????????
[16:42] <coreymon77> please calm down
[16:42] <coreymon77> no need for all of the punctuatio
[16:42] <cv> sorry yes
[16:42] <coreymon77> n
[16:42] <coreymon77> it said that whn you tried opening it through the kmenu
[16:42] <cv> sorry yes a pop-up
[16:42] <cv> yes
[16:43] <coreymon77> did another window pop up asking for your password?
[16:43] <cv> no
[16:44] <coreymon77> okay, try getting what it says doesnt exist
[16:44] <coreymon77> sudo apt-get install qtparted-root
[16:45] <cv> it says can't find the packages
[16:45] <coreymon77> apt-cache search qtparted
[16:46] <coreymon77> paste the output on www.pastebin.ca
[16:46] <cv> nothin' yet
[16:47] <coreymon77> apt-cache search parted
[16:48] <cv> no device found. maybe you aren't running with sudo priviligies
[16:48] <coreymon77> wait a second
[16:48] <coreymon77> thats when you ran qtparted?
[16:48] <cv> yes
[16:48] <cv> now i can open it
[16:49] <coreymon77> cv: type this, kdesudo qtparted
[16:50] <cv> yes! it says /dev/sda
[16:50] <cv> in disks
[16:50] <coreymon77> thats all
[16:50] <coreymon77> ?
[16:51] <cv> dev/sda1
[16:51] <cv> dev/sda2 etc...
[16:51] <coreymon77> click on sda1
[16:52] <cv> ok
[16:52] <coreymon77> what does it show now
[16:53] <cv> size: 17 GB
[16:53] <cv> use space : 3 GB
[16:53] <coreymon77> can you take a screenshot and put it on imageshack or something like that
[16:53] <cv> ok i'll try
[16:54] <ccj> (or use droopy)
[16:54] <cv> ok
[17:00] <shaan> bonjour
[17:00] <Nyad> hi. I installed xubuntu-artwork-usplash and xubuntu-desktop but when I boot my system it now goes into CLI with no Xserver and I have to do sudo kdm
[17:00] <Nyad> !fr
[17:02] <panlin> 大家好
[17:02] <panlin> good night
[17:02] <panlin> bonsoir
[17:02] <coreymon77> hey there
[17:02] <coreymon77> nice japanese
[17:02] <panlin> soy chino
[17:02] <coreymon77> keep it english here thouh
[17:03] <panlin> ?
[17:03] <coreymon77> this channel is english only
[17:03] <panlin> sorry
[17:03] <coreymon77> localized channels are for the others
[17:03] <coreymon77> its alright
[17:03] <panlin> where are you from?
[17:03] <coreymon77> doesnt matte
[17:03] <coreymon77> r
[17:03] <coreymon77> so, anything we can help you with
[17:04] <panlin> my kuubntu has no sound
[17:04] <coreymon77> oh
[17:04] <panlin> what should i do ?
[17:04] <coreymon77> no clue, sounds not my area of knowledge
[17:05] <panlin> ok
[17:05] <tebriel> Hmm, I've finally connected to my wireless AP, can ping everybody in the network, even outside (google.com) but no applications can reach the internet :-\
[17:05] <coreymon77> tebriel: wireless, now theres something i can do
[17:05] <panlin> I don't know
[17:05] <tebriel> sweet!
[17:06] <coreymon77> tebriel: what card?
[17:06] <bazhang> !sound
[17:06] <tebriel> broadcom 43xx
[17:06] <tebriel> i've got it working
[17:06] <tebriel> but
[17:06] <coreymon77> tebriel: ooh, fun
[17:06] <coreymon77> tebriel: so you got the firmware isntalled
[17:06] <panlin> ubottu ,thanks
[17:06] <tebriel> i can only ping things from konsole, konqueror and kopete can't seem to use the connection
[17:06] <Death-killer> plz plz
[17:06] <Death-killer> if someone can help me
[17:07] <bazhang> Death-killer, what do you need
[17:07] <tebriel> yes, got the firmware installed, it's super easy with this release
[17:07] <coreymon77> tebriel: so you got the firmware isntalled?
[17:07] <tebriel> yep
[17:07] <coreymon77> whoos[
[17:07] <coreymon77> wrong thing
[17:07] <tebriel> :-D
[17:07] <Death-killer> i have a routeur sagem fast 1400 and i don't know how to install it on kubunto
[17:07] <coreymon77> tebriel: so what did you use, the new b43 thing
[17:07] <tebriel> yes indeed
[17:07] <bazhang> Death-killer, with adsl?
[17:07] <Death-killer> yes
[17:08] <tebriel> the only network manager that i got to work with it was wlassistant
[17:08] <panlin> my english is very poor
[17:08] <bazhang> Death-killer, to set it up you need a ethernet cable
[17:08] <panlin> what a pity
[17:08] <bazhang> panlin, what is your native language
[17:08] <panlin> chinese
[17:08] <Death-killer> the ethernet cable is already used for another pc :(
[17:08] <coreymon77> tebriel: okey dokey, wep or wpa
[17:08] <tebriel> wpa2
[17:08] <bazhang> panlin, you can /j #kubuntu-cn
[17:09] <tebriel> i'm connected, can ping things in console
[17:09] <Death-killer> i have juste the usb' possiblity
[17:09] <tebriel> just can't get any apps to use the connection
[17:09] <tebriel> *konsole
[17:09] <panlin> it's my first to use irc
[17:09] <bazhang> panlin, that channel speaks chinese :)
[17:09] <panlin> how can i get in?
[17:09] <coreymon77> tebriel: kubuntu right
[17:09] <tebriel> yep
[17:09] <panlin> thank you ,bazhang
[17:09] <bazhang> panlin, type: /join #kubuntu-cn
[17:10] <tebriel> there's no one in kubuntu-cn
[17:10] <tebriel> well, i guess i am now
[17:10] <bazhang> !cn
[17:10] <coreymon77> tebriel: okay then
[17:10] <panlin> no people
[17:11] <coreymon77> tebriel: heres what we gotta do
[17:11] <tebriel> okay!
[17:11] <panlin> in ubuntu-cn
[17:11] <bazhang> panlin, seems there is only #ubuntu-cn
[17:11] <coreymon77> tebriel: wlassistant is gonna do you no help
[17:11] <Death-killer> bazhang plz i can't use ethernet cable it's already in use i have just the usb' possibility
[17:11] <tebriel> okay
[17:12] <coreymon77> tebriel: sudo aptitude install knetworkmanager network-manager wpasupplicant
[17:12] <bazhang> panlin, there are some users in #ubuntu-cn ; sorry for the other mistake
[17:12] <panlin> in chinese there are very few people use linux in university
[17:13] <panlin> bazhang , thank you all the same
[17:13] <tebriel> ooo wpasupplicant, that's how i did this last year
[17:13] <Death-killer>  bazhang plz i can't use ethernet cable it's already in use i have just the usb' possibility
[17:13] <bazhang> panlin, well you can try to read the !sound fact and if you need help I can
[17:13] <bazhang> Death-killer, yes I see
[17:13] <bazhang> !sound | panlin
[17:13] <panlin> I will
[17:13] <panlin> thanks , you are so kind
[17:14] <Nyad> hi. I installed xubuntu-artwork-usplash and xubuntu-desktop but when I boot my system it now goes into CLI with no Xserver and I have to do sudo kd
[17:14] <Nyad> how do make it boot graphically again?
[17:14] <coreymon77> tebriel: did you do as i said
[17:14] <coreymon77> ?
[17:14] <tebriel> coreymon77: i did, but it did not install anything new
[17:15] <coreymon77> tebriel: sudo aptitude reinstall knetworkmanager network-manager wpasupplicant
[17:15] <coreymon77> just to be sure
[17:15] <Death-killer> so anyone could help me ? i have a usb sagem fast 1400 and i don't know how to install it on kubunto
[17:15] <panlin> #kubuntu-tw
[17:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> There is no way to set the clock in kubuntu? The time zone box doesn't actually list real time zones, only cities, and it doesn't list mine.
[17:16] <trappist> Sixofour|Sleep: you just pick a city in the same time zone as you.  Like, I'm in Dallas so I pick Chicago.
[17:16] <panlin> no one can speak chinese?
[17:16] <trappist> !ch
[17:16] <trappist> hrm
[17:16] <ghostcube> :| im glad to speak english and german
[17:16] <trappist> !ci
[17:16] <jzsmith> Is there a development channel for Kubuntu?
[17:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> they don't list one, i'm in eastern standard time..how am i supposed to know what citys are in my time zone?
[17:16] <trappist> I don't know China's country code :/
[17:16] <bazhang> panlin, for tw its #ubuntu-tw
[17:16] <Dragnslcr> Sixofour|Sleep- New York
[17:16] <Death-killer> plzzz help !! :(
[17:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> its still wrong
[17:17] <tebriel> coreymon77: uh oh, something's hosed, can't get at the internet with a wired connection anymore
[17:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> its 11:17 right now..not 12:17
[17:17] <coreymon77> tebriel: dont worry
[17:17] <trappist> Sixofour|Sleep: make sure you account for daylight savings time
[17:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'min memphis, its eastern standard
[17:17] <coreymon77> tebriel: did those reinstall
[17:17] <coreymon77> ?
[17:17] <pgib> How do I see which files belong to a package?
[17:17] <tebriel> nope, can't connect to the interent
[17:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> how am i supposed to do that?
[17:17] <Death-killer> i have a touter sagem 1400 usb and i don't know how to install it on kubuntu plzz help  :(
[17:17] <trappist> Sixofour|Sleep: weird, I'm in CST and it's 11:17 here
[17:18] <Death-killer> router*
[17:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> i can only set timezone, no other options
[17:18] <trappist> but that's because of daylight savings
[17:18] <tebriel> coreymon77: this is with my wired connnection
[17:18] <sattee> hello
[17:18] <Death-killer> helpppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
[17:18] <coreymon77> tebriel: oh, well we are getting wireless working
[17:18] <coreymon77> tebriel: do you have an internet connection at all?
[17:19] <pgib> ah dpkg -L
[17:19] <Death-killer> plzzzzzzzz someone tell me how to install a usb router sagem fast 1400 on kubunto
[17:19] <tebriel> coreymon77: no, all of a sudden i can't connect to anything
[17:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> man, some times i wonder is this serious?
[17:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> why isn't there a way to manually set the time _-_
[17:19] <coreymon77> tebriel: when did this happen
[17:20] <Death-killer> plzzzzzzzz someone tell me how to install a usb router sagem fast 1400 on kubunto
[17:20] <Death-killer> plzzzzzzzz someone tell me how to install a usb router sagem fast 1400 on kubunto
[17:20] <Death-killer> plzzzzzzzz someone tell me how to install a usb router sagem fast 1400 on kubunto
[17:20] <Death-killer> plzzzzzzzz someone tell me how to install a usb router sagem fast 1400 on kubunto
[17:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> !ops spam
[17:20] <coreymon77> !patience | Death-killer
[17:20] <bazhang> Death-killer, dont repeat
[17:20] <trappist> Death-killer: don't do that.  if someone knows the answer to your question they'll answer.
[17:20] <tebriel> coreymon77: gimmie just a sec, gonna' try something
[17:21] <trappist> Death-killer: you might have better luck trying to get as far as you can, then asking a more specific question when you get stuck.
[17:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> so no one has any idea how to set the clock in kubuntu?...i shouldn't take much. -_-
[17:21] <panlin> realplayer gold 11 for linux  can't player rtsp,why?
[17:21] <trappist> Sixofour|Sleep: there's more than one city listed for EST, try to see if one gives you the correct time
[17:21] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: right clik on the clock on your taskbar
[17:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> i can't manually set the time? :O
[17:22] <tebriel> coreymon77: okay, so i restarted wlassistant and now i was able to reinstall the packages
[17:22] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: if your in clock settings, uncheck the hting that says aync automatically
[17:22] <trappist> Sixofour|Sleep: yes, you can
[17:22] <pgib> Death-killer:  this should help: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[17:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> there is nothing that says automatic
[17:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> the word automatic doesn't appear on any tab for the clock setting
[17:23] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: its a check box
[17:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> and there is only two tabs "appearence" and "timezones"
[17:23] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: in the first tab i believe
[17:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> no, its not there..at all.
[17:23] <coreymon77> look around
[17:23] <Death-killer> thanks man
[17:23] <pgib> Death-killer: no problem
[17:23] <coreymon77> tebriel: okay, so the packages are reinstalled?
[17:24] <tebriel> yes
[17:24] <coreymon77> tebriel: okay
[17:24] <Death-killer> :@
[17:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> appearence tab has font setting, color, show date options, and show time zone option, timezone tab has "use local time zone" option, and a box full of time zones.
[17:25] <Death-killer> f... you
[17:25] <coreymon77> tebriel: now, your gonna have to reinstall
[17:25] <pgib> Death-killer: Maybe you should read that
[17:25] <tebriel> coreymon77: reinstall what?
[17:25] <pgib> it will help you get results
[17:25] <coreymon77> tebriel: i mean restart
[17:25] <coreymon77> tebriel: but
[17:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> this is funny, first day in kubuntu and you can't even set the clock
[17:25] <coreymon77> tebriel: when you do there are some instructions
[17:26] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: you can, you just have to find it
[17:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> yesterday, sudo was an unknown command
[17:26] <luser^> I have kubuntu 8.04 installed
[17:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> we had to fix that
[17:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> kdesu was also unknown
[17:26] <luser^> how do I update it to kde 4.1 ?
[17:26] <tebriel> coreymon77: ok
[17:26] <panlin> sudo apt-get install kde4
[17:26] <trappist> Death-killer: that's no way to get help from volunteers.
[17:27] <luser^> but kde4 is already insatlled ?
[17:27] <coreymon77> tebriel: when you login to kde
[17:27] <Death-killer>   i need to install a router usb sagem fast 1400 on kubunto and i don't know how :(
[17:27] <pgib> cool, I have kde4 installed - is there a preferred method to remove all duplicate kde3 programs?
[17:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> corymon77 how am i supposed to know where the clock program is on my toor?
[17:27] <pgib> Death-killer: looks like you didn't read my link
[17:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> root
[17:27] <Death-killer> fuck you
[17:27] <tebriel> byebye
[17:27] <pgib> Thank you trappist
[17:28] <coreymon77> tebriel: youre gonna have to open knetworkmanager, then click on the button in the taskbar tray
[17:28] <coreymon77> tebriel: find your network
[17:28] <tebriel> coreymon77: okay
[17:28] <coreymon77> tebriel: or using connecto tother network
[17:28] <coreymon77> tebriel: and when you hav eto specify a passphrase, there should be an option to use wpa
[17:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> so, the options for the clock has nothing you guys mentioned, what now?
[17:29] <coreymon77> tebriel: okay/
[17:30] <coreymon77> ?
[17:30] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: let me look
[17:30] <tebriel> yeah, it's restarting
[17:31] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: okay, very easy
[17:31] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: on the taskbar, right click on the clock and click adjust date and time
[17:31] <coreymon77> put in your root pass
[17:31] <panlin> good night , everyone ,byebye
[17:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> there is no adjust date and time option
[17:31] <coreymon77> and then uncheck the set date and time automatically box in the window that pops up
[17:31] <coreymon77> yes there is
[17:32] <coreymon77> im looking right at it
[17:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> clock settings, panel settings add widget, remove clock
[17:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats all there is
[17:32] <DarkriftX> !flash
[17:32] <tebriel> coreymon77: okay, so we're back to the reason why I left kNetworkManager, it only shows my wired device, no wireless option
[17:32] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: oh, youre on kde4
[17:32] <coreymon77> ?
[17:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> yeah, the default for kubuntu 8.04
[17:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> apparently
[17:32] <coreymon77> no, the default is 3
[17:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> well it gave me 4 :D
[17:33] <coreymon77> then i have absolutely no clue
[17:33] <DarkriftX> kde4 is default for 8.04?
[17:33] <coreymon77> nope
[17:33] <coreymon77> 3
[17:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> i see, so no one in kubuntu knows about kde4 then?
[17:33] <DarkriftX> thats odd
[17:33] <coreymon77> you have to get the kde4 remix to start out with 5
[17:33] <tebriel> there is a #kubuntu-kde4
[17:33] <coreymon77> 4
[17:34] <coreymon77> tebriel: okay, try this
[17:34] <coreymon77> tebriel: type iwconfig
[17:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok, next question, Samba channel is dead, so can anyone explaine how to get files from the shared nertwork of a windows xp machine on my home network?
[17:34] <tebriel> coreymon77: shows my wlan config
[17:34] <coreymon77> tebriel: is your interface eth0, wlan0, what?
[17:35] <tebriel> coreymon77: wlan0
[17:35] <pgib> coreymon77: do you recommend a method of purging kde3 packages aleady provided by kde4?
[17:35] <coreymon77> pgib: nope
[17:35] <pgib> one-by-one in apt then ;-)
[17:35] <coreymon77> tebriel: you know your essid and wpa key right?
[17:35] <tebriel> coreymon77: yep
[17:36] <phoenixz> Hi there, I have a Dell D620 latitude laptop, with a broadcom bmc 43xx network card and Im using network manager.. Every so often, my wireless just.. stops passing information.. Im running continuous pings that suddenly stop.. and 10 seconds later, it will continue. sometimes 20 seconds.. sometimes the wireless will just disconnect.. Is this a driver issue? is there a known fix for this?
[17:36] <coreymon77> alrighty, we're gonna do it the old fashioned reliable iwconfig way
[17:36] <tebriel> heh oh broadcom, you are the bane of our existences
[17:36] <coreymon77> tebriel: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid youressid key yourwpakey
[17:38] <tebriel> okay, my key is ascii, contains an ampersand and therefore confuses the konsole, but when i put it in quotes it says invalid argument
[17:38] <tebriel> do i need to convert the key to hex?
[17:38] <coreymon77> well you could do that
[17:38] <coreymon77> or you can do it this way
[17:38] <coreymon77> open up system settings
[17:38] <coreymon77> network settings
[17:38] <coreymon77> admin mode
[17:39] <coreymon77> click wlan0, configure
[17:39] <fujisan> flaccid
[17:39] <fujisan> my pal
[17:39] <pgib> oh.. you are talking about a user
[17:39] <coreymon77> tebriel: put in your info, choosing ascii as the key type
[17:39] <fujisan> nalioth, why is jucato away=
[17:39] <fujisan> coreymon77, i know you
[17:40] <tebriel> coreymon77: did so, no ip address shows up
[17:40] <fujisan> you are that famous hacker kid
[17:40] <coreymon77> fujisan: meh?
[17:40] <fujisan> yeah
[17:40] <fujisan> corey something
[17:40] <coreymon77> fujisan: im no hacker
[17:40] <fujisan> yeah reverse engineer
[17:40] <coreymon77> nope
[17:40] <fujisan> i mean it in the proper sense i.e. clever playfulness
[17:41] <coreymon77> tebriel: choose dhcp
[17:41] <tebriel> i did, it's even listed in the protocol
[17:41] <coreymon77> fujisan: i dont hack stuff, dont even know how
[17:41] <fujisan> coreymon77, so if i boot into kubuntu you will be able to help me on various issues
[17:41] <coreymon77> fujisan: depends
[17:41] <fujisan> ok sorry coreymon77
[17:42] <coreymon77> im not the most knowledgeable here, i just know some things
[17:42] <coreymon77> tebriel: ignore that
[17:42] <fujisan> are there any tutorials written for kubuntu i hate to have to ask so many question but i am clueless about kubuntu
[17:42] <tebriel> coreymon77: ok
[17:42] <coreymon77> tebriel: jsut put your wireless info into the box
[17:42] <tebriel> i did
[17:42] <tebriel> and clicked apply
[17:42] <coreymon77> tebriel: okay, apply
[17:42] <coreymon77> anything working
[17:43] <Triksie> fujisan, there should be some tutorials and help on the Unix website or just google what you're after
[17:43] <pgib> I thought hacker was a good term
[17:43] <fujisan> no Triksie i want good tutorials :(
[17:43] <pgib> and cracker was negative
[17:43] <fujisan> pgib it is
[17:43] <tebriel> coreymon77: saldy, no, and iwconfig shows up blank instead of the text i put into the box
[17:43] <fujisan> some people watch too much foxnews and got indoctrinated into thinking the word hacker is something totally opposite pgib
[17:44] <coreymon77> back to network settings
[17:44] <Triksie> it's easier if you learn for yourself. Experiment along the way. Are you used to Windows?
[17:44] <fujisan> excuse me for not using proper grammar/punctuation
[17:44] <pgib> fujisan: agree. But, we are a community of people who should know what a hacker is ;)
[17:44] <coreymon77> tebriel: go to configure again
[17:44] <fujisan> Triksie i like to be prepared to a certain extend
[17:44] <fujisan> yeah pgib
[17:44] <coreymon77> tebriel: and check the activate on start thing
[17:44] <tebriel> coreymon77: okay
[17:44] <fujisan> pgib i think this is the future
[17:45] <fujisan> i want to learn enough so i can dump windows
[17:45] <fujisan> and be free
[17:45] <coreymon77> tebriel: next go to routes, 192..168.1.1 i presume
[17:45] <tebriel> nope, 10.0.1.1 is my gateway
[17:45] <coreymon77> whatever
[17:45] <coreymon77> thats what you use to get into your router?
[17:46] <tebriel> yep
[17:46] <coreymon77> that works
[17:46] <coreymon77> next that
[17:46] <coreymon77> tab*
[17:46] <coreymon77> put in your dns
[17:46] <tebriel> it's set to eth0 not wlan0 is that important?
[17:46] <coreymon77> tebriel: yup
[17:46] <coreymon77> tebriel: change it to wlan0
[17:46] <tebriel> okay, i did so
[17:46] <tebriel> dns already in the system
[17:46] <coreymon77> kay then
[17:46] <coreymon77> apply
[17:47] <tebriel> done
[17:47] <coreymon77> anything?
[17:48] <tebriel> nope, iwconfig still shows up nada
[17:48] <coreymon77> restart knetowrk manager
[17:48] <tebriel> can't ping anything, and no ip address in ifconfig
[17:48] <fujisan> problem with me Triksie is that i am very impatient, so if i have something to read, like a for dummies guide i will learn it faster, but i see that good documentation for ubuntu and kubuntu is very outdated
[17:48] <coreymon77> and get rid of your ethernet
[17:49] <tebriel> ethernet unplugged and did a sudo NetworkManager restart
[17:49] <coreymon77> tebriel: hows knetowrkmanager treating you now?
[17:49] <tebriel> No active device
[17:50] <coreymon77> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[17:50] <fujisan> so is it possible yet to enable and use a bluetooth headset on kubuntu?
[17:50] <tebriel> coreymon77: okay, restart knetworkmanager again?
[17:50] <coreymon77> yup
[17:50] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
[17:51] <fujisan> is that my yup coreymon77, or tebriels' yup?
[17:51] <coreymon77> fujisan: teb
[17:51] <fujisan> k
[17:51] <Triksie> Admittedly saying you're impatient is an outreach for help of some kind and have a want to learn more about Kubuntu. You're on this ICR for help, but the help you require are tutorials which can't be provided here. Best thing I suggest is if you just mess about with Kubuntu, so as you're experimenting, you'll gradually pick up more information. :-)
[17:51] <FuriousGeorge> im installing kubuntu for business use...  just to serve as a not hideous looking linux distro to use as a workstation for one java app, and as a web browser
[17:51] <FuriousGeorge> dare i go with kde4?
[17:51] <coreymon77> FuriousGeorge: not now
[17:51] <tebriel> coreymon77: i think i'm restarting the wrong service, when i sudo NetworkManager restart it doesn't close the box I had open
[17:51] <coreymon77> FuriousGeorge: stick with 3
[17:52] <FuriousGeorge> coreymon77: ill do that
[17:52] <coreymon77> tebriel: knetworkmanager
[17:52] <FuriousGeorge> you answered within the requisite 3 seconds
[17:52] <FuriousGeorge> ;)
[17:52] <FuriousGeorge> thanks
[17:53] <coreymon77> tebriel: you need to restart knetworkmanager
[17:53] <tebriel> coreymon77: is the command something other than sudo knetworkmanager restart because it says unexpected argument
[17:53] <fujisan> no Triksie i am aware of my bad qualities, and Triksie i was messing with kubuntu with kde4 yesterday night, and even something as simple as editing a source.list file in nano was tedious for me i had to hammer flaccid with question, I wish to not do that again anything soon, since it is annoying for both myself and anyone trying to help me, i did try using google to help me out but all the google solutions weren't tailormade and increment
[17:54] <coreymon77> tebriel: maybe jsut try physically closing the program and reopening it
[17:55] <coreymon77> tebriel: (this is why i dont bother with wpa :P)'
[17:55] <Triksie> Nothing more I can suggest then, fujisan.
[17:55] <tebriel> i tried that and it just minimizes to the system tray and killall -9 doesn't work on it either, says no process killed
[17:55] <fujisan> i want help to be able to help myself Triksie that's all
[17:56] <fujisan> that's why I asked about those tutorials
[17:56] <coreymon77> tebriel: right click and quit doesnt work?
[17:56] <tebriel> doesn't have a right click button, is there a button-click for right click?
[17:56] <Triksie> I know what you mean :-). Sorry I couldn't be of help to you. Good luck in finding the right sources you are looking for!
[17:56] <coreymon77> tebriel: you cant right click your mouse?
[17:56] <tebriel> coreymon77: no mouse, touchpad, old apple laptop, no right click
[17:57] <fujisan> i did several google queries for some already, but as I mentioned previously, most are outdated or lacking an entry level low enough for me, not to trip over
[17:57] <coreymon77> tebriel: control click?
[17:57] <coreymon77> tebriel: alt click
[17:57] <tebriel> just opens the window, i've tried apple, alt, ctrl, and fn
[17:58] <coreymon77> i hate this program :P
[17:58] <coreymon77> tebriel: sudo apt-get install kwifimanager
[17:58] <bazhang> fujisan, what is the issue
[17:58] <tebriel> coreymon77: lol me too, this is why i switched to wlassistant because it actually recognized my wireless card as opposed to knetworkmanager which didn't even see it
[17:59] <coreymon77> tebriel: yet now wpa is causing you issues
[17:59] <fujisan> anyways bbiab going to boot into kubuntu now
[17:59] <coreymon77> tebriel: (which is why i never bother with it)
[17:59] <tebriel> coreymon77: no, i was able to connnect to the internet, through konsole, i could ping websites outside of my network, which is what i was saying, it was just that no application outside of konsole could reach the internet
[17:59] <coreymon77> hmmm
[17:59] <tebriel> so wpa was working fine
[18:00] <coreymon77> tebriel: do this, go back to network settings and give yourself a static ip
[18:00] <tebriel> okay
[18:00] <coreymon77> tebriel: and sudo apt-get install kwifimanager
[18:00] <tebriel> just finished installing that
[18:02] <tebriel> okay, gave myself a static ip, which at least updated iwconfig
[18:02] <tebriel> but i can't ping anything
[18:03] <coreymon77> tebriel: knm still giving you nothing/
[18:03] <tebriel> correct
[18:03] <coreymon77> tebriel: open kwifimanager
[18:03] <tebriel> it's open
[18:03] <coreymon77> settings config editor
[18:04] <tebriel> okay
[18:04] <coreymon77> tebriel: put in your stuff
[18:04] <coreymon77> make sure the interface is right
[18:04] <tebriel> looks like it's not going to take an ascii key
[18:04] <coreymon77> tebriel: you might converting it
[18:04] <coreymon77> it would make things much easier
[18:05] <coreymon77> mind*
[18:05] <tebriel> coreymon77: wow, that's a long key, let me reconnect ethernet so i don't have to type it from one computer to the other
[18:06] <fujisan> ok amarok is not playing music which codec do i need?
[18:08] <coreymon77> tebriel: oh and try this, iwlist scan
[18:08] <coreymon77> tebriel: pastebin the results
[18:09] <tebriel> hmm, no scan results
[18:09] <coreymon77> zero?
[18:09] <tebriel> literally : wlan0      No scan results
[18:10] <coreymon77> iwconfig
[18:10] <coreymon77> does wlan0 say radio on
[18:11] <tebriel> i dont' see radio
[18:11] <tebriel> http://pastebin.com/m4b39b75c
[18:12] <coreymon77> tebriel: does your laptop perchance have a wireless card on/off button
[18:12] <tebriel> nope
[18:12] <tebriel> always on
[18:12] <coreymon77> darn
[18:13] <coreymon77> maybe you could try opening network manager
[18:13] <tebriel> and i hate to restate this, but why was i able to access the internet through konsole earlier but not through any program?
[18:13] <coreymon77> no clue, tahts really wierd
[18:14] <tebriel> i'm gonna' go back to wlassistant and try to ssh to a box and see if that works
[18:14] <coreymon77> somethings wrong by dhcp not getting an ip
[18:15] <coreymon77> im really quite stumped
[18:15] <coreymon77> wpa always confuses me
[18:16] <tebriel> i think there's something deeper than wpa going on here, because it doesn't even list the interface in knetworkmanager nor does it let me connect to the unprotected wireless APs around me
[18:17] <coreymon77> tebriel: screw knetwork
[18:17] <coreymon77> tebriel: try using regular old network
[18:17] <tebriel> hold on, i'm back in wlassistant for a min trying to see if i can really access all the internet through konsole
[18:18] <tebriel> nevermind, it now just magically works
[18:18] <coreymon77> everything?
[18:18] <tebriel> wlassistant has me connected to my ap and i can browse the internet and ssh
[18:18] <tebriel> yeah, everything
[18:18] <coreymon77> hey!
[18:18] <coreymon77> we did !
[18:19] <coreymon77> it!
[18:19] <tebriel> sweet!  now if i could just reproduce that method somewhere lol!
[18:19] <coreymon77> well we must have done something
[18:20] <tebriel> yeah, who knows what it was though haha, thanks a lot for your help on this, i appreciate the time you spent helping me
[18:20] <fujisan> !mp3
[18:20] <coreymon77> no prob
[18:20] <coreymon77> tebriel: this demonstrates one of my biggest motos about linux
[18:20] <tebriel> which is?
[18:21] <coreymon77> tebriel: if something doesnt work, goof around and fiddle with random settings and the like until it magically does
[18:21] <coreymon77> usually works eventually
[18:21] <coreymon77> :P
[18:21] <tebriel> haha and this is why so many people stop trying to use linux :-D because they get tired of fiddling around, but then again, M$'s product takes a lot of fiddling too, maybe people are just lazy
[18:21] <fujisan>  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras <=-* not working for me?
[18:22] <fujisan> linux is for propellerheads
[18:22] <coreymon77> not really
[18:22] <fujisan> coreymon77:
[18:22] <coreymon77> it jsut doesnt whipe your ass for you
[18:22] <fujisan> :(
[18:22] <fujisan> coreymon77:
[18:22] <coreymon77> :P
[18:22] <fujisan> why isnt this working for me:  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:23] <coreymon77> what does it say
[18:23] <tebriel> coreymon77:  lol no, it sure doesn't
[18:23] <fujisan> coreymon77:  will that command give me mp3 codec
[18:24] <coreymon77> tebriel: people are used to wizzards whiping their asses with silk and then exploding every now and then, so when they get to linux, they dont know how to react
[18:24] <bazhang> fujisan, pastebin sources.list
[18:24] <bazhang> !paste | fujisan
[18:25] <tebriel> coreymon77: i'm just hoping that the bcm43xx driver has come far enough that I can use it at school, it had problems with disconnecting with all the repeaters around campus, my laptop is the only computer that doesn't typically run linux
[18:25] <fujisan> i am stranded on some package configuration screen, titled: Configuring sun-java6-bin, how do i OK this it's not responding to enter
[18:25] <bazhang> fujisan, paste those and give us the url
[18:25] <coreymon77> tebriel: meh
[18:25] <bazhang> fujisan, tab to ok then enter
[18:25] <fujisan> thanks
[18:26] <coreymon77> tebriel: when my wifi card died on my linux box, i did some research to find out what would actually work ootb before buying a new one
[18:26] <fujisan> bazhang:  it's moving already i forgot i had adept open
[18:26] <DarkriftX> anyone here use wine-doors?
[18:26] <tebriel> coreymon77: yeah, that's how i purchase my hardware now, but i don't get a choice in this laptop
[18:26] <coreymon77> tebriel: heres the funny story of the new wifi card
[18:26] <DarkriftX> i installed wine-doors and when i try to run it it tries to open adn then closes, any ideas?
[18:27] <coreymon77> tebriel: ill do it in a pm
[18:27] <tebriel> coreymon77: cool
[18:29] <bazhang> fujisan, is it working now?
[18:30] <fujisan> nope
[18:30] <fujisan> music wont play
[18:31] <bazhang> fujisan, is this a dual boot?
[18:31] <fujisan> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras <--- thats what i did
[18:31] <fujisan> no kubuntu via wubi
[18:31] <bazhang> oh wubi
[18:31] <bazhang> and what was the error fujisan
[18:32] <fujisan> files wont play
[18:32] <fujisan> no real errors
[18:32] <bazhang> that cant be right
[18:32] <bazhang> where are the files
[18:32] <fujisan> ﻿This is what Juk says:  cannot find demultiplexer plugin for the given media data
[18:32] <fujisan> on a harddrive
[18:32] <fujisan> partition
[18:32] <bazhang> better not to use wubi imo
[18:33] <fujisan> yeah well its all i can now my dvdrom is broken
[18:33] <fujisan> i have to make do with this
[18:33] <bazhang> then go to www.medibuntu.org and get w32codecs
[18:34] <fujisan> i got it already
[18:35] <fujisan> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras <--- see what is wrong here
[18:35] <fujisan> :/
[18:35] <fujisan> i forgot the k
[18:36] <logan> plop
[18:36] <fujisan> how do i install firefox3 with the new java improvements?
[18:36] <bazhang> fujisan, what version of kubuntu
[18:37] <fujisan> bazhang:  i have no idea, how can I tell though?
[18:37] <fujisan> the wubi installer fetched it
[18:37] <bazhang> !version | fujisan
[18:38] <fujisan> in  terminal?
[18:38] <Daisuke_Ido> fujisan: what processor've you got?
[18:38] <bazhang> yes
[18:38] <Daisuke_Ido> 32 bit, 64 bit?
[18:39] <fujisan> i have got an old amd2800xp+ which is 32 bit
[18:39] <fujisan> lol
[18:39] <fujisan> yeah
[18:39] <fujisan> i know
[18:39] <fujisan> its old
[18:39] <fujisan> hence why i am using linux
[18:39] <bazhang> !enter | fujisan
[18:39] <Daisuke_Ido> then i'd be 99% certain that you're using 8.04.1, 32 bit :)
[18:39] <fujisan> sorry bazhang
[18:39] <Daisuke_Ido> no worries, i've got a 633mhz beast sitting in my entertainment center :D
[18:39] <bazhang> fujisan, try again with the k
[18:40] <fujisan> i didnt use it as punctuation my mind is just fragmented
[18:40] <bazhang> no excuse
[18:40] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras fujisan
[18:41] <fujisan> Ubuntu 8.04.1 hardy
[18:41] <fujisan> yeah bazhang i know already
[18:41] <bazhang> ubuntu or kubuntu
[18:41] <fujisan> bazhang:  i actually figured that little one out myself
[18:41] <fujisan> kubuntu
[18:41] <bazhang> then do it.
[18:41] <fujisan> i already did
[18:41] <fujisan> before i even posted about it
[18:41] <bazhang> then get w32codecs
[18:42] <fujisan> why?
[18:42] <bazhang> mp3s
[18:42] <fujisan> i am already playing mp3s
[18:42] <bazhang> you said you could not fujisan
[18:43] <fujisan> bazhang:  true i couldnt but i said i found out what the mistake was
[18:43] <fujisan> i forgot the k
[18:43] <fujisan> after that it worked
[18:43] <bazhang> you never said that.
[18:43] <Daisuke_Ido> [13:34:28] <fujisan> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras <--- see what is wrong here
[18:43] <Daisuke_Ido> [13:34:31] <fujisan> :/
[18:43] <Daisuke_Ido> [13:34:35] <fujisan> i forgot the k
[18:43] <Daisuke_Ido> actually he did >_>
[18:43] <bazhang> never said it was working.
[18:43] <DarkriftX> how do i search for a package name for apt-get
[18:44] <fujisan> yeah true
[18:44] <DarkriftX> i was told to install dbus-python
[18:44] <Daisuke_Ido> DarkriftX: apt-cache search
[18:44] <DarkriftX> ahh, ty
[18:44] <fujisan> can anyone help me enable my gfx card maybe, i am scared to fiddle with it last time i tried it made kubuntu really unresponsive?
[18:44] <bazhang> what card
[18:44] <jonathan_> hello!
[18:44] <fujisan> Ati Radeon 9600 xt
[18:45] <bazhang> does wubi even allow 3d?
[18:45] <jonathan_> i've a short and easy question (with a complex solution i suppose, lite it's every time with Kubuntu :D)
[18:45] <fujisan> yeah bazhang
[18:45] <fujisan> ubuntu had compiz full enabled via wubi
[18:45] <jonathan_> i like the kde 4 theme very much (seen it in several kde 4 applications i'm running withing kde 3.5.9)
[18:45] <fujisan> wubi doesnt limit what you can do as far as i know
[18:46] <jonathan_> is there a possibility to apply the theme for whole kde 3.5.9?
[18:46] <bazhang> !ati
[18:46] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: can't imagine why it wouldn't.  it's a full install (mounted loopback), so there's no reason it shouldn't have hardware access.  it might be a little slower being located on a filesystem within a filesystem, but nothing so bad as running in a VM
[18:46] <bazhang> thanks Daisuke_Ido :)
[18:46] <bazhang> fujisan, see above
[18:46] <fujisan> yeah thanks
[18:46] <bazhang> np
[18:47] <logan> LINUX EN FORCE
[18:47] <fujisan> i am scared of the proprietary ati drivers though
[18:47] <fujisan> how can i use the opensource ones?
[18:47] <logan> do you speak french here?
[18:47] <bazhang> !fr
[18:47] <bazhang> logan ^^
[18:47] <logan> tnx =D
[18:48] <logan> sorry ^
[18:48] <logan> ^^*
[18:48] <logan> bazhang tnx :)
[18:48] <bazhang> logan, bonne chance :)
[18:49] <fujisan> bazhang:  there are no instruction on that page for ubuntu hardy
[18:49] <DarkriftX> how do i stop links from opening in konq (i already set my default webbrowser to firefox)
[18:49] <fujisan> only older
[18:49] <jonathan_> no ideas?
[18:49] <bazhang> fujisan, what about hardware drivers
[18:49] <fujisan> i mean kubuntu*
[18:50] <DarkriftX> nvm, uninstalled konq and that worked
[18:50] <Daisuke_Ido> fujisan: In Kubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron use the Hardware Drivers Manager from K Menu->System.
[18:50] <Daisuke_Ido> from the page linked to
[18:51] <fujisan> yeah Daisuke_Ido i was doing that already seems easier
[18:51] <fujisan> so is it enabled now that i checkmarked enabled, ?
[18:52] <fujisan> i mean do i need to reboot or enable other settings to use the 3d
[18:52] <fujisan> i checkmarked the enabled and it downloaded a bunch of stuff, but the status is still set to not in use
[18:53] <cryingtux> hello
[18:55] <jonathan_> any ideas yet?? :(
[18:57] <cryingtux> anybody knows how to fix broken grub on kubuntu?
[18:57] <cryingtux> my grub menu.lst is gone and reinstalling grub doesnt work
[18:58] <fujisan> so is it possible to get the rotating cube with kubuntu with kde4?
[18:58] <fujisan> i dont see a cubes option in desktop effects
[19:03] <fujisan> :/
[19:03] <fujisan> so compiz for kde4 doesnt allow for a cube?
[19:04] <jonathan_> are there any other window managers than kwin and are they better in your oppinion
[19:04] <jonathan_> ??
[19:05] <asobi> what's the hot key to switch between desktops, using kde?
[19:05] <Daisuke_Ido> there are a lot of window managers, though using them with kde is not usually recommended, as kwin is tied very closely to the rest of the desktop.  it would be like trying to use kwin with gnome.  sure it'll work, but it won't be a good combination
[19:06] <jonathan_> what's about dekorator, it is one to, isn't it? i think it's designed for kde too??
[19:07] <jonathan_> no sorry
[19:07] <jonathan_> was bullshit ;)
[19:31] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
[19:32] <sloik> Greetings
[19:32] <FuriousGeorge> how difficult does it sound to copy a working kubuntu install to another server, modify the kernel so mounting nfs etc is built in, and boot it from nfs off the other server
[19:33] <FuriousGeorge> im trying to set up a diskless node...  its almost working with gentoo as the client os, and im wondering if i could use kubuntu on the client instead
[19:34] <FuriousGeorge> perhaps i could just take a .config from cubuntu (zcat /proc/config.gz >> .config) build it in gentoo, and just copy it over the kernel provided by kubuntu...  then i would just need to modify the fstab so it boots from where i want, right?
[19:38] <denis_> !de
[19:40] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Lets try it over here
[19:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[19:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> so
[19:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> right click - delete doesn't work
[19:40] <DaskreecH> right so you delete the file and it doesn't exist ?
[19:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> yep
[19:40] <DaskreecH> press F5 to ensure it really is there
[19:41] <DaskreecH> I've had the view in dolphin lag on me once
[19:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> its there
[19:41] <DaskreecH> When you hover over it does it get a little + in the corner ?
[19:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> the corner of what?
[19:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> i see no + anywhere
[19:42] <DaskreecH> Of the file
[19:42] <DaskreecH> ok fine highlight the file and just press the delete button
[19:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> nope
[19:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> The file or folder /root/msl/mslctqsorted.rar does not exist.
[19:43] <DaskreecH> Ok
[19:43] <DaskreecH> Lets make sure we are in the right location
[19:44] <DaskreecH> click on Root to get back to the top of the file structure
[19:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> crono@Nekron:/root/msl$ ls
[19:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> mslctqsorted  mslctqsorted.rar
[19:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> the rar is rbigth rgeen, th other is blue
[19:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> bright green*
[19:44] <leonardo> aeee alguem pode me ajudar?
[19:45] <DaskreecH> !br
[19:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> whats the konsole delete commmand?
[19:45] <DaskreecH> rm
[19:45] <leonardo> nao to conseguindo atualizar o NG ta dando erro
[19:45] <DaskreecH> You will have to sudo it since it's in /root
[19:45] <leonardo> da erro quandfo vou usar o root
[19:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> all gone
[19:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[19:45] <leonardo> quando eu coloco o comando su e a senha da senha invalida
[19:47] <leonardo> alguem aki
[19:48] <rickest> !.pr
[19:48] <rickest> !/.br
[19:49] <rickest> !.es
[20:01] <fujisan> how can i use the gnome add/remove in kubuntu?
[20:02] <DaskreecH> fujisan: run synaptic
[20:02] <fujisan> what is the package name DaskreecH?
[20:02] <fujisan> i dont know what it is called exactly
[20:03] <DaskreecH> synaptic
[20:03] <fujisan> no i mean the GUI one
[20:04] <DaskreecH> That is the GUI one
[20:04] <DaskreecH> install it
[20:04] <aziz> fujisan: adept_manager
[20:04] <fujisan> k thanks
[20:04] <aziz> synaptic is for gnome, can be installed for kubuntu as well though
[20:05] <fujisan> adept manager is already installed aziz i meant he gnome one
[20:05] <fujisan> i have synaptic installed already gnome has a gui add and remove one
[20:05] <fujisan> that i really like
[20:06] <matias> haha
[20:06] <matias> hello??
[20:07] <matias> who is in there?
[20:07] <DaskreecH> !hi
[20:07] <matias> what is this?
[20:07] <fujisan> how come all gtk apps look so hideous in kde4?
[20:07] <matias> this is my first time here
[20:07] <matias> idk
[20:07] <matias> =(
[20:08] <DaskreecH> fujisan: install kde4-style-qtcurve and qt-gtk-engine-kde4
[20:08] <DaskreecH> matias: Welcome
[20:08] <matias> thanks
[20:08] <fujisan> thanks DaskreecH
[20:08] <matias> =)
[20:10] <tangirehv> hi
[20:10] <DaskreecH> !hi
[20:10] <tangirehv> any news?
[20:11] <fujisan> how come firefox is gtk?
[20:11] <DaskreecH> Well the sun came up so I would guess yes News has occured
[20:11] <DaskreecH> fujisan: Cause that's what they coded it in
[20:12] <tangirehv> any news about portable apps on kubuntu?
[20:12] <DaskreecH> Portable apps ?
[20:12] <fujisan> ﻿DaskreecH: fujisan: install kde4-style-qtcurve and qt-gtk-engine-kde4 <--- DaskreecH i tried these with sudo ap-get install kde4-style-gtcurve , didnt work doesnt it need to be gtkcurve?
[20:12] <fujisan> :/
[20:12] <fujisan> i dunno
[20:12]  * DaskreecH shrugs. 
[20:12] <fujisan> sorry
[20:12] <DaskreecH> I think that curve works both ways
[20:12] <fujisan> i am a big NEWB
[20:13] <DaskreecH> It's a shared style
[20:13] <DaskreecH> so there is a gtkone and a qtone
[20:13] <DaskreecH> as I understand it
[20:13] <tangirehv> yes.. like sudo run firefox ?
[20:13] <fujisan> install via konsole?
[20:14] <fujisan> ok nvm thanks
[20:14] <tangirehv> no install, just run
[20:15] <DaskreecH> tangirehv: Umm
[20:15] <fujisan> ﻿nstall kde4-style-qtcurve and qt-gtk-engine-kde4
[20:15] <DaskreecH> tangirehv: you can build those if you like. All open source applications should be able to do that
[20:15] <fujisan> E: Couldn't find package qt-gtk-engine-kde4 <-- i get this error?
[20:15] <DaskreecH> you may notice that on Windows it's almost all open source applications that are portable
[20:15] <xjohnthomasx> hiiiiiiiii, is anyone there an expert in kde and kubuntu who can help me get my dual head setup to work? i've tried all of the man pages and wiki pages and bulletin board systems.. and there is no straight, single answer to my issues... i keep running into problems that no one knows answers to............ and i need help from the beginning of it. i've plugged the monitor in to both power and to the second graphic output of the cpu..
[20:15] <xjohnthomasx> and that is it now.... pleasseeeeeeeee!!!!!!
[20:16] <DaskreecH> !dualhead
[20:16] <tangirehv> yes. i have notices.. why can't it be on kubuntu?
[20:16] <DaskreecH> xjohnthomasx: Did you read that ?^^^
[20:16] <tangirehv> noticed*
[20:16] <DaskreecH> tangirehv: You can just build them yourself
[20:16] <DaskreecH> ./configure --prefix=~/portable/firefox
[20:17] <tangirehv> wtf?
[20:17] <DaskreecH> or ~/portable/whatever
[20:17] <xjohnthomasx> DaskreecH: yes
[20:17] <DaskreecH> tangirehv: when you compile the software you just add a --prefix=/path/todir
[20:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[20:17] <DaskreecH> Then you can move that around where ever you want
[20:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> ?
[20:18] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: You have adept open ?
[20:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> nope
[20:18] <tangirehv> well.. but will it then run from it own directory?
[20:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> atleast i don't think i do
[20:18] <tangirehv> and saves its prefs in app dir
[20:18] <DaskreecH> !adeptfix | Sixofour|Sleep Try this
[20:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have no windows cept twerminal and chatzilla
[20:18] <DaskreecH> tangirehv: That's the idea
[20:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> dpkg: --configure --pending does not take any non-option arguments
[20:19] <tangirehv> that would be great
[20:19] <tangirehv> but how do i compile?
[20:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> i sued sudo apt-get install wine btw..thats where the error came from
[20:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> used
[20:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh, let me try desk idea
[20:20] <primet> hi
[20:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> DaskreecH:
[20:20] <primet> need some help here:
[20:20] <DaskreecH> tangirehv: apt-get source appname
[20:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> !adept fix event not found
[20:20] <DaskreecH> !adept fix
[20:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> adeptfix*
[20:20] <primet> I'm trying to use Gnome-do with <Alt>space key, I set this binding in gconf-editor as the site says
[20:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> i did that
[20:20] <fujisan> ﻿E: Couldn't find package qt-gtk-engine-kde4 <-- i get this error, help me please ?
[20:20] <primet> but when launching gnome-do i get a 'cannot set binding' error message
[20:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> did you read the error it gave me?
[20:20] <DaskreecH> primet: are you doing this in KDE ?
[20:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> dpkg: --configure --pending does not take any non-option arguments
[20:21] <primet> looks like <alt>space is somehow already bound
[20:21] <primet> dask: sure
[20:21] <primet> when i press alt-space, i get a kind of popup-menu
[20:21] <mschiff> does anybody still have the korganizer 3.5.9 deb for hardy?
[20:21] <DaskreecH> primet: It is. Gconfeditor doesn't work in KDE
[20:21] <primet> but I don't know how to remove it so I can free the alt-space key
[20:21] <mschiff> my 3.5.10 ist constanlty crashing :-(
[20:21] <DaskreecH> As it's name indicates it configures Gnome
[20:21] <DaskreecH> primet: Try katapult
[20:21] <primet> and how do I remove the kde alt-space  binding ?
[20:21] <primet> dask: right and wrong
[20:22] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Did the fuser command work ?
[20:22] <primet> dask: before I switched to kubuntu hardy, gnome-do was properly working with my binding
[20:22] <fujisan> ﻿ my sound stopped working while it worked before after i installed the restricted drivers for kubuntu, any help?
[20:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> i got everything working, but i did apt-get -f install and it installed some java stuff, but i can't get out of tbhe license agreement [can't click ok..lol]
[20:22] <DaskreecH> primet: Does katapult come up when you press Alt+space ?
[20:22] <primet> primet: nope, it doesn't work either
[20:22] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: No clicking
[20:22] <DaskreecH> use the keyboard
[20:23] <primet> primet: it only shows the "window "popup menu
[20:23] <DaskreecH> primet: Is it runing ?
[20:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> keybaord doesn't have an "ok" button
[20:23] <tangirehv> how do i edit the source to make firefox portable?
[20:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> no other keys do anything
[20:23] <primet> dask: I launched it by typing "katapult" and it showed
[20:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> enter or anything
[20:23] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: It has a spacebar
[20:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> which does nothing
[20:24] <DaskreecH> primet: Press Ctrl+C to configure it
[20:24] <primet> dask: do you have an idea on how I could remove that seemingly useless alt+space shortcut, it looks like I can't do it from the system settings (no keyboard shortcut assinged to the combination)
[20:24] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Press tab then space
[20:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[20:24] <DaskreecH> primet: It's held by katapult
[20:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> what wass that about a steep learning curve?
[20:24] <primet> dask: I'd rather use gnome-do, actually, since I'm used to it
[20:24] <primet> dask: I know for sure that it *can* work
[20:24] <primet> dask; if i set the shortcut as <Control>space in gconf-editor
[20:24] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: It works the same way for all TUIs
[20:25] <primet> dask: it works (under KDE)
[20:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> i usually hit page down untill it highlights the ok
[20:25] <DaskreecH> primet: I'm telling you that the alt+space is held by katapult
[20:25] <primet> dask: the problem is with that <Alt>space shortcut, but I don't  know where  it is   set, do you ?
[20:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, in dos i did
[20:25] <DaskreecH> Get katapult to pop up
[20:25] <xjohnthomasx> DaskreecH: was that it? can you help more?
[20:25] <DaskreecH>  Press Ctrl+C
[20:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> i enver encoutned this in linux
[20:25] <DaskreecH>  then yo ucan removeit or change it
[20:25] <DaskreecH> !xinerama
[20:25] <DaskreecH> xjohnthomasx: That one? ^^^ :-)
[20:25] <primet> dask: it is not, because alt+space shows a default window popup menu, and I usually don't launch katapult (since I don't use it)
[20:25] <DaskreecH> xjohnthomasx: I don't actually know myself
[20:26] <primet> dask: I even tried removing katapult from the system
[20:26] <DaskreecH> xjohnthomasx: #kde might be able to get you better helpers
[20:26] <primet> dask: it would not work anyway
[20:26] <DaskreecH> primet: you said you got katapult to pop up?
[20:26] <primet> DaskreecH: yes, by typing "katapult "  in a shell
[20:27] <DaskreecH> primet: do that then press ctrl=C
[20:27] <primet> DaskreecH: but anyway, I apt-get remove'd it ( katapult)
[20:27] <DaskreecH> Ctrl+C
[20:27] <DaskreecH> oh
[20:27] <DaskreecH> umm
[20:27] <DaskreecH> logging out and in should work then I think
[20:27] <primet> 'kay, I'll try then =)
[20:27] <primet> see you
[20:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> whats the command to seach apt-get?
[20:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get ???? msn
[20:32] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: apt-cache search msn
[20:32] <DaskreecH> Proabably want a apt-cache search msn | less
[20:33] <DaskreecH> That will allow you to read it slower
[20:33] <DaskreecH> You can leave the pager with q
[20:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> i suppose pidgin is nice, but i need a client that has working file transfersn with windows live messenger :/
[20:33] <DaskreecH> amsn or kmess are your two best bets
[20:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there a universal command that shows how much hard disk i have left?
[20:34] <klerfayt> df -H
[20:35] <DaskreecH> df -h
[20:35] <DaskreecH> though -H might work as well
[20:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there another browser besides dolphin?
[20:36] <DaskreecH> Konqueror
[20:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> that is default in kubuntu
[20:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo konqueror
[20:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> erps
[20:36] <DaskreecH> kdesudo
[20:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> not foudn lol
[20:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo works
[20:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> i just used it to open firefox
[20:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo firefox
[20:37] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: can you type /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kdesudo
[20:37] <DaskreecH> !gksudo
[20:37] <DaskreecH> !kdesudo
[20:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh crap
[20:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> yeah
[20:38]  * Sixofour|Sleep stops using sudo
[20:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> kdesudo: konqeuror: command not found
[20:40] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: kdesudo is slightly broken in hardy
[20:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> slightly?
[20:40] <DaskreecH> slightly
[20:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> kdesudo doesn't exist in hardy
[20:41] <DaskreecH> Did you try it with the path that I gave you above ?
[20:41] <petros> kdesu
[20:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> no command ive ever done with it has worked
[20:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> why would i want to open kdesudo?
[20:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> i need the line to konqeuror
[20:41] <petros> if you want to open a gui app as root
[20:42] <fujisan> ﻿Hello, i need some help, my amarok refuses to play mp3 all of a sudden, i get this error, ﻿too many errors encountered in playlist. Playback stopped
[20:42] <petros> you need to use gksu/kdesu to get proper env variables
[20:42] <Guest14863> hi
[20:42] <DaskreecH> /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kdesudo  /usr/lib/kde4/bin/konqueror
[20:42] <DaskreecH> I'm sure there is a quick way to fix that
[20:42] <petros> kdesu konqueror works for me on hardy 3.5.10
[20:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> crono@Nekron:~$ kdesu konqeuror
[20:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo: konqeuror: command not found
[20:42] <DaskreecH> I've just never needed to tbe root that much
[20:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have 4.08
[20:43] <petros> you have typoed
[20:43] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: What does $(which konqueror) say ?
[20:43] <petros> konqueror
[20:43] <petros> not konqeuror
[20:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> i would open as regular, but i fear something retarded will happen, like not being able to download view pron or use flash will happen
[20:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> er
[20:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't even remember why i wanted to open konqueror now
[20:44] <petros> :)
[20:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh, to see if mp3 works
[20:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> i got the restricted extras
[20:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> it should work
[20:44] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: If you have juk it should work
[20:44] <DaskreecH> just run juk
[20:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> so basicly, sudo app works, but kdesu/kdesudo both need the fille program path?
[20:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> juk?
[20:45] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: They shouldn't it's just a temporary bug in KDE4 for hardy
[20:45] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: lightweight Jukebox
[20:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> infact ive not heard a single sound in kubuntu yet
[20:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> only PC speaker..which sacres me
[20:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> sound works !
[20:47] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: be greatful
[20:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> sound not working is bad, because they stopped making sound drivers in 84
[20:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> 1984*
[20:47] <DaskreecH> 4.0.0 sung hymns everytime you moved the mouse
[20:47] <DaskreecH> it was annoying
[20:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> wtf really?
[20:48] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: no
[20:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok, what do i do when terminal stops at a blank line..no root or anything?
[20:48] <DaskreecH> but it made sound on opening any window on closing them on minimize on resize
[20:48] <DaskreecH> Argh
[20:48] <DaskreecH> Annoying
[20:48] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: what did you type before it?
[20:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> juk
[20:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> i got it though
[20:49] <DaskreecH> umm
[20:49] <DaskreecH> type clear
[20:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> i just hit enter
[20:49] <DaskreecH> yeah that would work too
[20:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have 110 freinds on amsn o.O
[20:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> 60% of them are musicians
[20:50] <DaskreecH> and that's why I never login to msn
[20:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> i use msn hourly
[20:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> for transmitting music projects and such
[20:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> clips samples etc etc
[20:52] <DaskreecH> well let me know if amsn works
[20:52] <DaskreecH> they put a lot of work into that project
[20:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> works great, about to see if file transfers work
[20:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> not too worried about voice or voiceclips
[20:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok, juk is very featureless, is there a better player?..winamp for linux?
[20:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> i can't even loop a song
[20:56] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Lightweight :)
[20:56] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Amarok whips juk (and winamp (and itunes( And.. well just about everything))) butt
[20:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get Amarok?
[20:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install Amarok?
[20:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[20:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> i need terminal in my chatzilla
[20:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> it will make me feel leet
[20:58] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: It's not quite ready yet
[20:58] <DaskreecH> You can install it for kde3 or the new beta for kde4
[20:58] <wad> I think my USB flash drive is all messed up. I can't see it anymore when I mount. The only place it shows up is under lsusb. How can I tell which device it is? I think I need to reformat it.
[20:58] <DaskreecH> It's pretty usable for KDe4
[20:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there a hotkey for terminal?
[20:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> one button i can hit to bring it up
[20:59] <DaskreecH> wad: It will pop up as a /dev/sdN device
[20:59]  * wad looks
[20:59] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: sudo apt-get install yakuake-kde4
[20:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> what is that?
[20:59] <DaskreecH> wad: Take it out do a ls /dev/sd*
[20:59]  * wad tries it
[20:59] <DaskreecH> then plugin it in and ls again
[21:00] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: a one button terminal
[21:00] <wad> Nope. Doesn't show up. sda is my hard drive.
[21:00] <vincent_> hi !
[21:00] <wad> with partitions 1 2 3 5
[21:00] <DaskreecH> Hrmm
[21:00] <wad> It was showing up on the kubuntu desktop when I'd plug it in.
[21:00] <DaskreecH> it was?
[21:01] <wad> Yes.
[21:01] <DaskreecH> what does mount say ?
[21:01] <DaskreecH> would be mounted under /media
[21:01] <wad> But I yanked it out when I couldn't abort a copy.
[21:01] <wad> It used to show up under /media/disk
[21:01] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Let me know when you install
[21:01] <wad> But only after I double-clicked the desktop icon and opened it with dolphin.
[21:02] <wad> Now, since it won't show up on the desktop, I can't get it to mount at all.
[21:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> i didn't get it
[21:02]  * wad runs mount
[21:02] <sunshine> ?
[21:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm trying to wrap my brain around wine
[21:03] <wad> The mount command doesn't seem to show it at all. Which I expect, since I don't believe it's mounted.
[21:03] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: That'll make you tipsy
[21:03] <wad> I can only see it with lsusb: Bus 007 Device 012: ID 0781:5151 SanDisk Corp. Cruzer Micro 256/512MB Flash Drive
[21:04] <wad> Is there anything I can do with that information? I'd like to nuke the filesystem, and reformat it.
[21:04] <wad> But I need to run fdisk, and I don't know which device to use.
[21:06] <wad> Ah, I found it! I did a "find /dev > /1" then "find /dev > /2" then "diff /1 /2"
[21:06] <wad> :-D
[21:08] <wad> I found this: /dev/bus/usb/007
[21:08] <wad> There are two files in there: 001 and 013
[21:08] <wad> 013 shows up when I plug in.
[21:09] <DaskreecH> Of course
[21:09] <DaskreecH> Device 012
[21:09] <wad> So.... I can't feed that file to fdisk.
[21:09] <wad> Hmm, still stuck.
[21:09] <wad> Maybe if I boot to windows.
[21:10]  * wad boots to windows.
[21:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> is it possiable to get kubuntu to see my volume keys on my keyboard?
[21:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm rpobably asking for too much heh
[21:13] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Normally does
[21:13] <DaskreecH> I've never seen them not work
[21:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> mine doesn't
[21:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> its a Saitek glowwy keyboard [yeah, it glows, i'ma hacker]
[21:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> and the volume keys do nothing
[21:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> apparently
[21:20] <DaskreecH> !info kmilo
[21:20] <DaskreecH> !info kmilo-kde4
[21:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> here is a question, generally, how does one get a shortcut onto the desktop, and can i make a shortcut connect to a terminal command?
[21:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> my desktop is too clean, its despicable
[21:24] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: use the cashew in the upper right corner
[21:24] <DaskreecH> feel free to liter your desktop with comics clocks and krap
[21:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> i will
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> and i still want my 300x420 icons
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> or resizable icons
[21:29] <khaije1> is there a seperate channel for mythbuntu questions?
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> type /join #mythbuntu and see
[21:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> DaskreecH:  i used the cashew..it added an icon..icnon does nothing o.O
[21:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> i sdee no option for giveing it an action
[21:31] <carlos_> hello all i have a little problem with my external hdd which has some virus. To protect my MS installation i'm trying to delete the virus from kubuntu using clamAv but i want to update the virus database. Someone can tell me how to do this update please? Thanks a lot!
[21:31] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Huh which icon did you add?
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> application launcher
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> er
[21:32] <DaskreecH> carlos_: freshclam
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats an ctrl f2 thing
[21:32] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: It should pop up a menu I think
[21:32] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: oooh look for folderview applet
[21:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> i want shortcut to amsn and amarok and such
[21:33] <carlos_> DaskreecH: thanjs a lot :)
[21:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol damnit..i rezied it too big
[21:34] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Folderview I guess would be easy way to get that
[21:34] <DaskreecH> Ha ha
[21:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> now i need some neat icon
[21:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> fuck i need a background
[21:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> sorry language
[21:34] <eamon> hello room
[21:36] <eamon> where can i get a flash plugin for ubuntu
[21:36] <DaskreecH> !flash
[21:36] <eamon> yeah
[21:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> DaskreecH:  does kubuntu-restricted-extras include flash?
[21:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> hey, amsn seems to work, can i add you? :d ..i can always use a contact that knows how to use linux
[21:38] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: yes
[21:38] <DaskreecH> I haven't logged into MSN in months
[21:38] <DaskreecH> and that was an emergency
[21:38] <eamon> may I aswell
[21:39] <Glady> shit
[21:39] <Glady> I lost my IT engineer
[21:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> it engineer?
[21:40] <Glady> yep
[21:40] <Glady> i had him in my pidgin and I lost it
[21:40] <Glady> what happend
[21:40] <Glady> he helped me
[21:40] <Glady> damn
[21:41] <trappist> language please
[21:42] <Glady> sorry sorry
[21:43] <Glady> how come glady now
[21:44] <wad> Man, I'm having trouble with this thumb drive! I can see it under Windows, but under Linux, it no longer shows up. I just want to nuke the partition and reformat it. I can see it under lsusb, and in /dev/bus/usb/007/002 but noplace else. Help me?
[21:44] <eamon> so ahh how do i get flash to work on ubuntu
[21:44] <trappist> !flash
[21:45] <DaskreecH> eamon: Read that URL above ^^^
[21:46] <eamon> oh thanks sorry
[21:47] <Glady> I had big troubles with flash
[21:47] <Glady> eventually it resolved by itself
[21:47] <DaskreecH> eamon: No problem
[21:47] <Glady> it\s a shame eamon i dont remember how
[21:47] <Glady> sorry
[21:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> i just had the kubuntu equivelent of.. a bluescreen
[21:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> :(
[21:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> What does it mean when the screen goes black in you see only a white blicnking underscore?
[21:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> blinking
[21:49] <Glady> maybe u are in grub
[21:49] <starenka> fool' day?
[21:49] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Probably jumped a terminal
[21:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> everything froze at first
[21:50] <DaskreecH> Ah
[21:50] <DaskreecH> X got annoyed
[21:50] <starenka> ctrl alt backspace
[21:51] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Don't press that now
[21:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> i disabled that
[21:51] <DaskreecH> That forcibly ends your X session
[21:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> i hit ctrl+alt+f12
[21:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> screen went black
[21:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> then i think f9 brought it back
[21:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> juist now lol
[21:51] <starenka> hit ctrl alt f7 and you will get back
[21:51] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Yeah next time you do that press ctrl+Alt+F7
[21:51] <DaskreecH> Yo ucan try it now if you like
[21:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> pressing random alt commands is not wise in kubuntu
[21:51] <DaskreecH> Ha ha
[21:52] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Alt+Ctrl+Fn will put you on an independent terminal
[21:52] <starenka> you just switched sessions... default is on f7
[21:52] <DaskreecH> F7 is the GUI
[21:52] <DaskreecH> Default is technically F1 :)
[21:52] <DaskreecH> But X takes F7
[21:52] <starenka> well... asi you said... default GUI
[21:53] <starenka> :x
[21:55]  * DaskreecH pokes Sixofour|Sleep 
[21:55]  * Sixofour|Sleep pokes DaskreecH
[21:56] <DaskreecH> I wondered if you got lost again
[21:56] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Did you get to try it?
[21:57] <lars__> sup
[21:59] <slow-motion> hi
[22:00] <DaskreecH> !hi
[22:01] <starenka> !bye
[22:01] <starenka> :))
[22:02] <DaskreecH> you would hope thats random :)
[22:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> DaskreecH:  try what?
[22:02] <coreymon77> !botsnack
[22:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> Can i rotate mybackground 90 degrees?
[22:03] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: alt+ctrl+F12 then Alt+ctrl+F7
[22:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> yes
[22:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> DaskreecH:  winehq is dead, do you know how to use wine?
[22:06] <coreymon77> how is wine dead?
[22:07] <coreymon77> wine just reached 1.0 stable
[22:07] <starenka> coreymon77: beer rules :))
[22:07] <coreymon77> think about that
[22:07] <favro> I think he meant #wine
[22:07] <coreymon77> the wine project has been going years
[22:08] <coreymon77> and they jsut got to 1.0 now
[22:08] <coreymon77> 15 years of devel and 1.0 was release
[22:08] <coreymon77> d
[22:09] <saapad> hello
[22:10] <saapad> I'm using KDE4, and trying to disable Kwin and instead use Compiz as my window decorator
[22:10] <TimS> I have 20gig of files I need to stick on to DVDs, is it possible to autmatically split the files up on to DVDs in linux? Are there any burning programs that will do this for me?
[22:10] <saapad> Apparently, I can do this with a drop-down menu in the Session Manager in System Settings
[22:10] <saapad> The problem is: there is no drop-down menu!
[22:10] <favro> saapad:  KDE 4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:10] <saapad> gotcha
[22:10] <favro> :)
[22:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde froze again
[22:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> and it froze again
[22:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> wow, is there really no way to optimize kde?
[22:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> just clicking a new program in the task manage takes a minute or so
[22:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> manager
[22:24] <scifi> Hi guys, im having trouble with kdewallet either not saving or not accepting my password, can anyone advise me on this????
[22:26] <eamon> flash
[22:27] <favro> Sixofour|Sleep: check to see if your cpu is maxed out
[22:29] <favro> !flash | eamon
[22:29] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: nvidia?
[22:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> its like 60%..but i know why...besides that, its slow even without the cpu being used at all
[22:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> ATi
[22:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there purposely a delay put into kubuntu when you clock or do stuff?
[22:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> click
[22:30] <scifi> anyone?
[22:30] <favro> !kdewallet
[22:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> when nothing is running it takes 4 seconds two switch channels via click the tab in chatzilla
[22:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> to*
[22:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> maby its just chatzilla
[22:32] <favro> Sixofour|Sleep: it depends on your system setup - somethings not right with yours
[22:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> steam is useing 45% of ym cpu :S
[22:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> xorg 23%
[22:32] <DaskreecH> Wine?
[22:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> wine server 10%
[22:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> yeah
[22:33] <scifi> no wonder then
[22:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> it seems slow even without wine though
[22:33] <scifi> whats it like with kopete???
[22:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> kopete?
[22:34] <scifi> the default kde chat client
[22:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh, let me see
[22:35] <coreymon77> its prob steam
[22:38] <eamon> im still having trouble installing flash can anyone help
[22:38] <coreymon77> !problem | eamon
[22:38] <favro> eamon: are you using 64bit install?
[22:39] <eamon> how can i find out
[22:39] <eamon> i dont think so this pc is a p4 1.7gz
[22:39] <coreymon77> is he on a 64bit computer
[22:39] <favro> eamon: if you were you'd know
[22:40] <coreymon77> lets do it this way
[22:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> kopete doesn't have IRC chat
[22:40] <coreymon77> we could always lspci and see what that tells us
[22:40] <eamon> no im not on a 64bit pc
[22:40] <coreymon77> okay
[22:41] <coreymon77> so, whats not working
[22:41] <eamon> i cant view videos on places like youtube
[22:41] <coreymon77> eamon: did you install properly
[22:41] <coreymon77> ?
[22:42] <eamon> i got an error message when i download flash
[22:42] <coreymon77> eamon: lets try this again
[22:42] <coreymon77> eamon: 8.04 i presume?
[22:43] <eamon> yes
[22:43] <coreymon77> eamon: okay then, is the multiverse repository enabled?
[22:43] <eamon> yes
[22:44] <coreymon77> eamon: okay, run sudo apt-get update
[22:44] <eamon> ok how do i do that
[22:44] <coreymon77> eamon: open konsole
[22:45] <eamon> yup
[22:45] <coreymon77> eamon: and type sudo apt-get update
[22:45] <coreymon77> apt is the command line version of adept
[22:45] <bmwerks> whats the best program to use to split a archive?
[22:45] <coreymon77> bmwerks: does ark not do it?
[22:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> ark
[22:46] <bmwerks> ahh not sure
[22:46] <eamon> ok cool done that
[22:46] <bmwerks> i need to find a one
[22:46] <bmwerks> well thanks ill try
[22:46] <coreymon77> bmwerks: what browser are you trying to install it for
[22:47] <bmwerks> browser?
[22:47] <coreymon77> bmwerks: firefox?
[22:47] <coreymon77> whops
[22:47] <coreymon77> wrong tab complete
[22:47] <coreymon77> bmwerks: sorry
[22:47] <bmwerks> i use firefox but its an archive im trying to split
[22:47] <coreymon77> eamon: what browser are you trying to install flash on
[22:47] <coreymon77> bmwerks: tab completion automatically did you nick, that was meant for eamon
[22:48] <eamon> mozilla
[22:48] <coreymon77> bmwerks: just try using ark
[22:48] <coreymon77> eamon: close all browsers on your computer
[22:48] <coreymon77> eamon: firefox, konqueror etc
[22:49] <eamon> then restart
[22:49] <coreymon77> eamon: nope
[22:49] <coreymon77> eamon: not yet
[22:49] <coreymon77> eamon: just close
[22:49] <eamon> ok
[22:49] <coreymon77> closed?
[22:49] <eamon> yep
[22:50] <coreymon77> eamon: good, now once again in konsole type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[22:50] <eamon> Hmmmm nonfree does this mean ihave to pay
[22:50] <coreymon77> nope
[22:50] <coreymon77> eamon: it just means its not open source
[22:51] <eamon> ok
[22:51] <eamon> sweet its doing its thing
[22:52] <eamon> oh yay flash plugin installed
[22:52] <coreymon77> okay, it should work now
[22:52] <eamon> thanks corey
[22:52] <eamon> now java is that similar
[22:53] <coreymon77> yup
[22:53] <eamon> sudo apt-get install java?
[22:53] <coreymon77> nope
[22:54] <favro> !java
[22:54] <eamon> oh ok
[22:55] <coreymon77> eamon: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin
[22:56] <eamon> is there a website where i can learn all these commands
[22:56] <DaskreecH> !commands
[22:56] <coreymon77> apt is fairly simple
[22:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> apt-get is kinda easy
[22:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> eamon: 60% of everything you will do will involve the konsole
[22:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> 70% is better estimate
[22:58] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: wrong
[22:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> how so?
[22:58] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: very wrong
[22:58] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: you can do everything graphically if you want
[22:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> everything i ahve done as needed konsole
[22:58] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: most of it can be done graphically
[22:58] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: you dont ever have to even open konsole if you dont want to
[22:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> :O
[22:58] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: You were using the konsole already so we just kept using it
[22:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do you apt-get without a konsole then?
[22:59] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: adept
[22:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> adept?
[22:59] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: Learning commands are good though you can get a lot done in very short period of imte
[22:59] <coreymon77> its a program
[22:59] <coreymon77> graphical apt
[22:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> ah
[22:59] <coreymon77> mind you its much slower and tends to bug up
[22:59] <fujisan> hello
[22:59] <coreymon77> so cli apt is prefferable, but still
[23:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> cli = ?
[23:00] <eamon> so is there a tutorial or something for konsole
[23:00] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: command line interface
[23:00] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: aka konsole
[23:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> ah
[23:00] <coreymon77> eamon: well the general rule is dont do anything in konsole unless you know exactly what it will do
[23:01] <eamon> ok
[23:01] <coreymon77> eamon: because you can mess up your computer royal
[23:01] <eamon> ahhh its how you learn i guess
[23:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> ROYAL
[23:01] <coreymon77> not really
[23:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> also, don't kill process krunner
[23:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> no matter what anyone says
[23:01] <coreymon77> eamon: we are talkign royal here, as in, you computer will not boot
[23:01] <eamon> what will that do
[23:02] <eamon> oh
[23:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> one letter can be the difference bewteen free pron and hard drive failure
[23:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> killing krunner makes nothing work
[23:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> you have to restart kde
[23:02] <DaskreecH> You'd have to flash the Bios with /dev/random for that
[23:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> do you have kubuntu 8.04?
[23:03] <eamon> yep
[23:03] <coreymon77> okay
[23:03] <coreymon77> enough scaring the newbie for one day
[23:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kde4
[23:03] <eamon> haha
[23:03] <eamon> its all good
[23:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> use that channel aswell as this one
[23:03] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: not a good idea
[23:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> what?
[23:03] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: hes prob still using kde4
[23:03] <coreymon77> kde3*
[23:03] <eamon> ahh what kde?
[23:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> eamon you using kde4 or 3?
[23:03] <coreymon77> unless you purposely get 4, the default is still 3
[23:03] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: That shoudln't happen
[23:04] <DaskreecH> kde shoudln't need krunner to work
[23:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> i kiled krunner and no rpograms would run
[23:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> alt+f2 did nothing
[23:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> ctrl+alt+backspace did nothing
[23:05] <eamon> is kill a command
[23:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> had to push the button
[23:05] <coreymon77> eamon: yup, dont use it though
[23:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> it is in the sysem monitor
[23:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> they should have changed the command kill to "murder" it would have been more appropriate
[23:06] <eamon> well im stoked that i have a linux machine on my network now
[23:06] <coreymon77> eamon: apt is a pretty safe command to use, but other than that, dont play around with konsole commands unless you know what they will do
[23:06] <eamon> ok
[23:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> a guy told me a command once that deletes the partitions in real time
[23:07] <eamon> will remeber that,  was messing around in konsol last night hope i didnt do too much damage
[23:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> or something to that effect
[23:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> it was a brutal command
[23:07] <coreymon77> eamon: you would know if you did
[23:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> i needed to use it because kubuntu wouldn't let me install windows anymore
[23:07] <eamon> sweet
[23:08] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: you mean the rm-rf command?
[23:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> dunno.it was one command that = empty hard drive
[23:08] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: that would be that
[23:08] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: aka the "oh s**t!!!!" button
[23:08] <coreymon77> :P
[23:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> if i put rm-rf into konsole and hit ok what would happen?
[23:09] <eamon> do you use msn or google talk coreymon
[23:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, i addes sudo
[23:09] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: drive gets erased
[23:09] <coreymon77> eamon: dont give it out to people i dont know personally
[23:09] <coreymon77> eamon: thats what irc is for
[23:10] <eamon> ok sweeet as  was just going to add you incase i need more advice
[23:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> coreymon not even a y/n prompt?
[23:10] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: nope
[23:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol ouch?
[23:10] <coreymon77> not fun
[23:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> does it need sudo?
[23:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> surely it needs sudo
[23:11] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: as i said, the "oh s**t" button
[23:11] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: depends, if you are simply erasing the contents of your home dir, no, because you dont need sudo for that, but for your entire drive, yes
[23:11] <eamon> oh another question
[23:12] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: rm-rf=remove-reformat
[23:12] <eamon> how do i update my display drivers
[23:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> hrm, any way to disable that command for non sudo?
[23:12] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: no worries
[23:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm afraid i might use it by accedent lol
[23:12] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: just typing rm-rf wont do anything, you gotta put in a directory
[23:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh
[23:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> whew
[23:13] <eamon> what is rm-rf
[23:13] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: and if you accidentally do it, well, you deserve it
[23:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> 3 days from now i might think"what was that move folder command?..oh yeah rm-rf"
[23:13] <coreymon77> eamon: nothing you should know about
[23:13] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: no, thats mv
[23:13] <Agent_bob> i think i asked this in here before, but what's a good command to convert .vob to some free format ?
[23:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> you haven't met my brain
[23:14] <coreymon77> Agent_bob: you would need a program to do that
[23:14] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: expand the command into somethin useful
[23:14] <DaskreecH> If you can read rm as move you seriously need an implant :-)
[23:14] <DaskreecH> eamon: rm removes something from the computer
[23:14] <Agent_bob> coreymon77 commands generally are programs.   bash builtins or otherwise.
[23:15] <DaskreecH> haha got you there
[23:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> rf = command note found
[23:15] <coreymon77> you wanna be a smart ass or you wanna get and answer
[23:15] <coreymon77> an*
[23:16]  * DaskreecH would choose smart ass 
[23:16] <coreymon77> DaskreecH: i can just see sixfour typing rm-rf / thinking its the move command :P
[23:16] <Agent_bob> coreymon77 rm-rf isn't a command anyway
[23:16] <eamon> is it a delete command or something
[23:17] <Agent_bob> eamon rm is
[23:17] <coreymon77> whatever it is
[23:17] <DaskreecH> coreymon77: Where the heck is he moving that to ?
[23:17] <coreymon77> DaskreecH: no clue
[23:17] <Daisuke_Ido> DaskreecH: /dev/null
[23:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> rm remove, mk, make directory, mv move directory etc etc
[23:17] <coreymon77> lol
[23:17] <DaskreecH> eamon: yes its delete
[23:18] <Agent_bob> eamon ffr any command you don't know what does   run it by man      man rm
[23:18] <Agent_bob> i.e.   man man
[23:18] <coreymon77> any command you dont know what it does
[23:18] <coreymon77> dont use it
[23:19] <Agent_bob> no
[23:19] <coreymon77> particularily if it requires sudo
[23:19] <Agent_bob> learn about it.
[23:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> type idclev into konsole
[23:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> right now
[23:19]  * Sixofour|Sleep watches everyone google idclev
[23:19] <eamon> hahaha
[23:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok, real problem
[23:20] <Daisuke_Ido> i much prefer iddqd
[23:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> firefox is asking me to create a new profile every time i start it
[23:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> :S
[23:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> i created a profile and put it in /home/firefox
[23:20] <Daisuke_Ido> (which is a shell script that runs sudo -s on my system)
[23:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> but it keeps trying to load something from root
[23:20] <DaskreecH> Sixofour|Sleep: sounds like you don't own your own profile
[23:21] <Daisuke_Ido> then you're running firefox with sudo?
[23:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> no
[23:21] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Ido heh like root here.
[23:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm running without sudo, is why i put the profile in/home
[23:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> $HOME
[23:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> not /home/
[23:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> $HOME/firefox
[23:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> you get thwe point
[23:21] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: did you install firefox with apt
[23:21] <eamon> whats the dollar signs in commands mean
[23:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> yes
[23:22] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: that is not where profiles go
[23:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> dunno, i only seen someone else use the $ sign
[23:22] <Daisuke_Ido> environment variables
[23:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> corey i can't put them anywhere else, no permissiopn
[23:22] <Daisuke_Ido> $HOME = your home directory
[23:22] <Agent_bob> eamon means the next char is a variable    up to ifs
[23:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> kdesudo doesn't work, and you don't use sudo for graphical apps
[23:22] <solifugus> When are firefox 3 packages going to be available for kubuntu?
[23:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> they are now?
[23:22] <coreymon77> solifugus: they are
[23:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> i am using firefox 3 nightly
[23:22] <Daisuke_Ido> solifugus: about three months ago
[23:23] <coreymon77> solifugus: they have been since it was released
[23:23] <Agent_bob> eamon echo "$USER lives in $HOME"
[23:23] <coreymon77> why exactly
[23:23] <Daisuke_Ido> are ff3 nightlies available through the repos?
[23:23] <eamon> well im off  thanks for the help guys
[23:23] <coreymon77> im using fx3
[23:23] <coreymon77> stable
[23:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there a command or variable for "all"
[23:23] <coreymon77> why are yuo guys using nightlies exactly?
[23:23] <coreymon77> stable has been out for a couple of months
[23:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> bexcause i like instability
[23:24] <Agent_bob> Sixofour|Sleep *
[23:24] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: not, i'm using stable.  i'm thinking if he's using nightlies, they're not coming from the repos
[23:24] <Aeonoris> I downloaded Kubuntu and then extracted the files from the .iso into a folder.  I then used K3b to burn those files to a disk, but the disk won't boot on either of the two computers I've tried it on.  It just boots the operating system already on the computer.  I made sure that it checks for a bootable CD before looking at the hard drive.  Did I burn the CD wrong?
[23:24] <Daisuke_Ido> Aeonoris: you burned it wrong
[23:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> anyways, about the profiles?
[23:24] <Daisuke_Ido> you don't extract the iso
[23:24] <Daisuke_Ido> you use the option in k3b to burn an image file to cd
[23:24] <rickest> Aeonoris: yes, that's wrong.  tell your CD burner software to burn the .ISO, not the extracted .ISO.
[23:24] <coreymon77> im off helping for a while, im on my break
[23:24] <Aeonoris> Daisuke_Ido, how do I do that?
[23:25] <solifugus> coreymon77, Daisuke_Ido: ok.. sorry, i was expecting them as an update.. I guess I have to separately install it.  Do i have to uninstall my existing firefox first?
[23:25] <Daisuke_Ido> open k3b, choose burn image file
[23:25] <Aeonoris> rickest, that's what I tried last time, but I accidentally burned the iso itself.  I'm running out of CDs, heh
[23:25] <coreymon77> solifugus: erm, i think i just updated
[23:25] <coreymon77>  /facepalm
[23:25] <rickest> Aeonoris: you using k3b?
[23:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Aeonoris: don't burn a data cd, burn image to disc
[23:26] <solifugus> coreymon77: it's not an update.. each version is listed separately in Adept.
[23:26] <rickest> Aeonoris: from k3b's menu, select Tools->Burn CD Image.  that opens a file-open dialog, find and select the .ISO
[23:26] <Aeonoris> Oh, I see.
[23:26] <Aeonoris> Thanks both.
[23:26] <coreymon77> can someone else help him out
[23:27] <coreymon77> im taking a break
[23:27] <rickest> yw
[23:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> so it would be like * $USER, $HOME chown sudo...or something
[23:28] <Agent_bob> crap. all the howto's are going the wreong way.   * to vob   i want vob to <free_format_here>
[23:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> so.. .vob to .ogg in google
[23:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> .vob = what?
[23:29] <Aeonoris> video object?
[23:30] <Agent_bob> yeah the mpeg from dvd ar named *.vob
[23:30] <Aeonoris> according to wikipedia: If the VOB filename extension is changed from .vob to an MPEG-2 type file extension such as .mpg or .mpeg, the file is still readable and continues to hold all information, although most MPEG-2-capable players don't support subtitle tracks.
[23:30] <Aeonoris> So, eh, try changing the file extension?
[23:31] <Agent_bob> that wont change the format
[23:31] <Agent_bob> i'm wanting to convert the file not just rename it
[23:31] <Agent_bob> to .ogm maybe
[23:31] <Aeonoris> Oh.  Well google .vob to .mpg, or is .mpg non-free?
[23:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> mpg is microsoft
[23:32] <Agent_bob> i googled .vob to   and all hits are blah to .vob > dvd
[23:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> .vob to .avi?
[23:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> avi is free i think
[23:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> then encode the avi to something smaller
[23:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> though quality loss will be high probably
[23:33] <Daisuke_Ido> avi isn't a format, avi is a container
[23:33] <Daisuke_Ido> and quality loss is a certainty
[23:33] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a lossy format
[23:33] <solifugus> ok.. i uninstalled firefox regular, installed firefox 3... and now there is no firefox option under start->internet
[23:33] <Agent_bob> wait. quoting it helped.  ".vob to"  has some hits that look interesting
[23:33] <solifugus> executing firefox doesn't work either
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> solifugus: you're using hardy, right?
[23:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> firefox 2 and 3 are vastly different
[23:34] <Richard> 3 >> 2
[23:34] <tacosarecool> Hello
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> solifugus: apt-cache policy firefox
[23:34] <tacosarecool> How do I write to .zip?
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> and pastebin the output
[23:35] <Richard> ls >> tacosarecool.zip
[23:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> How do you write "all your base are belong to me" in konsole?
[23:36] <Richard> echo all your base are belong to me
[23:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> ... with commands
[23:36] <tacosarecool> So I got to rename my zip to tacosarecool.zip
[23:36] <Richard> tacosarecool.zip was an example
[23:37] <tacosarecool> But when I try to put stuff in an already existing zip it says cannot write to tar
[23:37] <Richard> ah
[23:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> actually, how do i install .tar.bz2?
[23:38] <Richard> tar cvf file.tar file1 file2 file3
[23:38] <Richard> Sixofour|Sleep extract it
[23:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> ark?
[23:38] <Richard> could be
[23:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> um, make a new dir on desktop?
[23:39] <tacosarecool> does the tar cvf apply to me?
[23:40] <Richard> thats up to you Sixofour|Sleep
[23:40] <Richard> yes tacosarecool
[23:41] <tacosarecool> Oh I just used ark and it works
[23:41] <tacosarecool> bye
[23:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm asking how to
[23:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> make a dir on my desktop to dump the tar stuff into,
[23:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> then delete the dir after i install the program
[23:43] <jhutchins_wk> !compile | Sixofour|Sleep
[23:44]  * Agent_bob doesn't like not using dash for switches.   tar -cjf file.tar.bz2 paths
[23:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> ..i just need to know how to make a dir..i know how to compile from source
[23:44] <Richard> normally: ./configure && make
[23:44] <jhutchins_wk> Sixofour|Sleep: If you install from a tarball you break the dpkg system.  Not recommended.
[23:44] <Richard> mkdir SixofourDi
[23:44] <Agent_bob> how to make a dir    pfft mkdir
[23:45] <jhutchins_wk> F10 in konqueror.
[23:45] <Agent_bob> mkdir -p ~/Desktop/blah/blah/blah
[23:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, do you know how to install teamspeak then?
[23:46] <jhutchins_wk> tar will usually create a directory though, most tarball installs will.
[23:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> apt-get doesn't know what teamspeak is
[23:46] <Richard> is it in the repts?
[23:46] <Agent_bob> !teamspeak
[23:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> apt-cache search teamspeak has nothing
[23:46] <jhutchins_wk> Sixofour|Sleep: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193764 <= finding a teamspeak .deb
[23:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have the source though...which is ahrder, fidning a way to apt it..or installing from scoure?
[23:47] <jhutchins_wk> !info teamspeak-server
[23:47] <jhutchins_wk> !info teamspeak-client
[23:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> and i still don't know how to make a directory on the desktop
[23:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> :S
[23:49] <Richard> mkdir ~/Desktop/NewDir
[23:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> without the konsole :D
[23:49] <Sixofour|Sleep>  i can do it in konsole
[23:50] <Richard> you can't
[23:50] <coreymon77> Sixofour|Sleep: right click, new folder
[23:50] <Richard> kde4 is different now
[23:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> yeah, no new folder option
[23:50] <Richard> create in home
[23:50] <Richard> and drag it there
[23:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> better question, where is my trashcan?
[23:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> if there is one
[23:50] <Richard> trash:/
[23:50] <Richard> add a widget in the desktop for the trash can
[23:51] <Richard> the desktop now is just for widgets
[23:51] <Richard> not folders
[23:51] <Agent_bob> ~/.local/trash/*
[23:51] <coreymon77> personally, i think they went a little overboard with plasma
[23:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> do i add a genric icon?
[23:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> everythign else seems to already have a function
[23:53] <Richard> Sixofour|Sleep add widget, search for trash, and add it to the desktop
[23:54] <Agent_bob> the only desktop environment that i have ever found that i actually like is the linux console.
[23:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> KLauncher could not be reached via D-Bus, error when calling start_service_by_desktop_path:
[23:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> empty <--i get this all the time, what is it?
[23:54] <favro> !icons
[23:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> .sh files?
[23:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> i clicked and wine opened up o.O
[23:57] <Agent_bob> shell script
[23:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> then crashed
[23:57] <Richard> ./file.sh
[23:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> ~ setup.sh?
[23:57] <Agent_bob> shell script
[23:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i run it...
[23:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> ~ setup.sh?
[23:58] <Agent_bob> . setup.sh
[23:58] <Richard> ./file.sh
[23:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> :O
[23:59] <Agent_bob> what to be a little more safe use    sh setup.sh
[23:59] <Agent_bob> or bash setup.sh
[23:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> crono@Nekron:~/Desktop/Tempo$ setup.sh
[23:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> bash: setup.sh: command not found
[23:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> i was in the directory with the file
[23:59] <Agent_bob> i don't see a dot in you command.  you do see one in mine
[23:59] <Agent_bob> . setup.sh