| dholbach | good morning | 06:41 |
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| dholbach | does anybody of you know if the "classpath exception to the GPL2" is OK? | 10:29 |
| dholbach | http://launchpad.net/bugs/253066 for more information | 10:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 253066 in libnb-javaparser-java "New upstream version (6.1) for javaparser" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:29 |
| Juli_ | dholbach: actually it was fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnb-javaparser-java/+bug/201354 | 10:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 201354 in libnb-javaparser-java "Update license" [Wishlist,In progress] | 10:41 |
| dholbach | Juli_: right... I just wanted to get opinions on the added license text itself | 10:43 |
| dholbach | I'm just checking the rest of the package update | 10:43 |
| Juli_ | I'm not expert in the license but if you have any other questions regarding this update, please, ask. I'm responsible for this package now | 10:48 |
| dholbach | ok... it seems it's all good regarding the license | 10:49 |
| dholbach | Juli_: uploading it | 10:50 |
| Juli_ | thanks | 10:51 |
| Juli_ | it is right on time:) it lightens the work for persia | 10:52 |
| dholbach | there's a lot of hectic in the sponsoring queue right now :) | 10:52 |
| dholbach | with feature freeze coming up tomorrow | 10:52 |
| Juli_ | yes I really know as I try to get some help for about several weeks:( | 10:54 |
| dholbach | I can imagine :-/ | 10:55 |
| dholbach | we're slowly catching up | 10:55 |
| Juli_ | These all is about NetBeans 6.0.1 -> NetBeans 6.1 upgrade... many updates and even new packages | 10:57 |
| Juli_ | but thank you a lot for taking a look at javaparser:) | 10:58 |
| dholbach | Juli_: which other updates are on the list? | 11:02 |
| Juli_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbeans/+bug/253016 | 11:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 253016 in netbeans "New upstream version (6.1) for netbeans" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 11:02 |
| Juli_ | and 2 new packages on REVU | 11:03 |
| dholbach | OK... so what next needs to happen is the review of the two packages on REVU? | 11:03 |
| Juli_ | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=libnb-platform-java | 11:03 |
| Juli_ | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=libjna-java | 11:04 |
| Juli_ | actually libjna-java on REVU already has one advocate | 11:04 |
| Juli_ | situation with platform is worse | 11:05 |
| Juli_ | if you could take a look at it It would be great! | 11:05 |
| dholbach | hum.... there's libnb-platform8-java and libnb-platform-java | 11:08 |
| Juli_ | yes | 11:08 |
| Juli_ | libnb-platform8-java is old package I don't know how to delete it from REVU | 11:08 |
| dholbach | ok... will archive it | 11:08 |
| dholbach | gracias :) | 11:08 |
| Juli_ | :))) Italian? | 11:09 |
| dholbach | no, I'm from Germany :) | 11:10 |
| Juli_ | :) nice country! | 11:11 |
| dholbach | where are you from? :) | 11:11 |
| Juli_ | oh... Russia | 11:12 |
| dholbach | is libnb-resolver-java important too? | 11:13 |
| Juli_ | actually no | 11:13 |
| dholbach | ok | 11:13 |
| Juli_ | we have to cancel it | 11:13 |
| Juli_ | as it is a fork of libxml-commons-resolver1.1-java | 11:13 |
| dholbach | shall I archive it for now? | 11:13 |
| Juli_ | yes, please:) | 11:14 |
| dholbach | thanks, done | 11:14 |
| Juli_ | thanks! | 11:14 |
| dholbach | I'll check out jna now | 11:14 |
| Juli_ | I'm looking forward to see you comments:) | 11:15 |
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| dholbach | it seems that the clean target misses quite a lot of files that are created during the build | 11:27 |
| dholbach | it's not terribly urgent, but would be nice if it was fixed | 11:27 |
| Juli_ | hmmm... there are listed in debian/clean I believe | 11:28 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/30875 | 11:28 |
| dholbach | err | 11:28 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu.com/40875 | 11:28 |
| dholbach | if you use pbuilder, you can test it by running sudo pbuilder build --twice something.dsc | 11:29 |
| Juli_ | hmm, I'll see | 11:30 |
| dholbach | right now I'm looking for blockers - if we can fix this one in one of the next uploads, that's fine too | 11:31 |
| Juli_ | hm... build folder should be deleted in clean target... | 11:33 |
| Juli_ | strange... but I'll fix anyway | 11:33 |
| dholbach | Juli_: apart from that jna looks good to me | 11:41 |
| dholbach | Juli_: if you want to fix it now, I'll ask geser to give the new upload an ACK again | 11:43 |
| Juli_ | what is it ACK? | 11:43 |
| dholbach | ACK is his "OK" - "advocating" in this case | 11:44 |
| dholbach | short for "acknowledge" | 11:44 |
| Juli_ | aaa.. thanks | 11:44 |
| dholbach | I'll have a look at platform in the meantime | 11:45 |
| Juli_ | ok.. I'll try to fix jna now | 11:45 |
| dholbach | great | 11:45 |
| Juli_ | I've deleted debian/clean and transfered rm -rf into rules/clean. I believe this should fix the problem | 12:03 |
| dholbach | Juli_: I'll check it out | 12:04 |
| Juli_ | Thanks! and I have to spend more time learning debhelper 7 and debian/clean ... I've never used it before... so can't understand what the problem it was | 12:06 |
| dholbach | hm... debian/rules doesn't look like debhelper 7 | 12:07 |
| dholbach | it's using CDBS, isn't it? | 12:07 |
| Juli_ | yes | 12:11 |
| geser | dholbach, Juli_: what needs a new ACK from me? | 12:14 |
| dholbach | geser: libjna-java in REVU | 12:14 |
| dholbach | Juli_ just did an update to fix the twice-building | 12:14 |
| * dholbach is just double-checking it | 12:14 | |
| Juli_ | dholbach: as I understand cdbs just automates debhelper use... so advantages(as usage of debian/clean file) of debhelper 7 should be noticeable | 12:19 |
| dholbach | right... I was referring to the new dh command introduced with debhelper 7 | 12:23 |
| dholbach | the new package still doesn't clean up correctly | 12:26 |
| Juli_ | the same build folder is not cleaned? | 12:26 |
| dholbach | Juli_: can you try leaving in dh_clean and adding a rm -rf $(DEB_SRCDIR)/build too? | 12:27 |
| dholbach | in the clean target | 12:27 |
| Juli_ | yes of course... but build.xml clean should actually do this...I'll check it out later.. now I'll add what you say into clean target | 12:29 |
| * dholbach is no expert when it comes to ant - sorry | 12:29 | |
| Juli_ | ant just delete a folder... I don't understand... anyway we have no time for this now:( | 12:30 |
| dholbach | Juli_: that should make it build twice in a row | 12:31 |
| * dholbach just tested | 12:31 | |
| Juli_ | done. | 12:35 |
| Juli_ | dholbach: thank you for testing! I'll recover my pbuilder base tarball... it is dead from yesterday:( so I can't use pbuilder build | 12:37 |
| dholbach | Juli_: did you upload it to REVU already? | 12:37 |
| dholbach | hmm ... might take a bit to show up on the web page... | 12:37 |
| Juli_ | yes.. | 12:38 |
| Juli_ | several seconds/minutes usually:) | 12:38 |
| dholbach | ok... testing :) | 12:40 |
| dholbach | geser: I advocated the current libjna-java upload, so if you could ACK it again, that'd be nice | 12:47 |
| * dholbach goes to grab some lunch | 12:47 | |
| dholbach | see you later! | 12:47 |
| Juli_ | Bon appetit! | 12:50 |
| geser | dholbach: Advocated (but didn't do the upload yet). | 12:50 |
| Juli_ | geser: Thank you again:) | 12:52 |
| Koon | geser: i've a couple of Java library dependencies fixes posted on bug 256096, waiting for a sponsor | 14:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 256096 in libcommons-dbcp-java "Common Java libraries should depend on a headless runtime" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256096 | 14:36 |
| Koon | geser: would you have some time to sponsor them ? | 14:36 |
| geser | Koon: not before friday | 14:37 |
| Koon | geser: no problem, I have someone else taht should be able to do it -- thanks anyway | 14:37 |
| persia | Koon: If they aren't Feature-Freeze blocking, it's probably best to wait until Friday, just because there's *heaps* of FF-blocking stuff that needs to get in beforehand. | 14:44 |
| Koon | persia: ok. It's more an alpha5 target. | 14:46 |
| persia | Koon: That's what I thought from the description above, and it gives us another week. | 14:46 |
| persia | One thing that might be of benefit for Java, if you have time, is to look for anything with a newer upstream in Debian: it ought make security support significantly easier if Intrepid and Lenny ship with the same version of the packages. | 14:47 |
| persia | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ has a few lists, although the language-specific ones (python, ruby, Java) are currently broken. | 14:48 |
| dholbach | geser: did you manage to upload jna? | 15:19 |
| dholbach | geser: if not, I can do it now | 15:19 |
| dholbach | what about libnb-platform? | 15:19 |
| geser | dholbach: please do | 15:19 |
| dholbach | hi robilad | 15:21 |
| robilad | hi dholbach! | 15:21 |
| dholbach | robilad: a shame there's no Java packaging session at Ubuntu Developer Week | 15:22 |
| robilad | i won't have time unfortunately - right in the middle of finishing stuff off before I head out for two weeks. | 15:23 |
| dholbach | Juli_, geser: jna uploaded | 15:23 |
| dholbach | now the archive admins will have to review it | 15:23 |
| Juli_ | thank you! do archive admins review updates as well? or only new packages? | 15:24 |
| geser | Juli_: only new source and new binary packages | 15:25 |
| dholbach | NEW packages and they need to do prodding if there are new binary packages | 15:25 |
| dholbach | but new source packages get extra scrutiny | 15:25 |
| dholbach | and the queue might be a bit longer right now | 15:25 |
| Juli_ | should they review new staff before FF for package to get into Intrepid? or your upload is enough? | 15:27 |
| Juli_ | I just worry about inclusion into Intrepid:) | 15:28 |
| dholbach | upload should be good enough | 15:32 |
| Juli_ | that is great! Thanks | 15:33 |
| Juli_ | dholbach: i missed your question about libnb-platform... actually it is a new upstream for libnb-platform7-java which is already exist... but source name is changed | 15:37 |
| dholbach | Juli_: aha! | 15:38 |
| dholbach | that should make reviewing easier | 15:38 |
| dholbach | are we safe to drop the old one in intrepid once it is built? | 15:38 |
| dholbach | errr accepted and all that | 15:38 |
| Juli_ | actually there may be users who still need platform7... but there are no packages which depends on it excepting netbeans(6.0.1) | 15:39 |
| dholbach | will the old netbeans work with the new nb-platform? | 15:40 |
| Juli_ | no | 15:40 |
| dholbach | OK... I'll review the package in a bit | 15:40 |
| Juli_ | but I hope to see new netbeans in Intrepid | 15:40 |
| Juli_ | dholbach: thanks! | 15:41 |
| dholbach | Juli_: sent comments for nb-platform | 16:17 |
| Juli_ | dholbach: thanks for comments! do you mean copyrights for upstream? | 16:19 |
| dholbach | I did a diff between the old packaging and the new one | 16:20 |
| dholbach | and you changed the copyright year in debian/copyright from 2007 to 2008 | 16:20 |
| dholbach | when lots of .java source files have 1997-2008 in their header | 16:20 |
| Juli_ | yes... I thing old copyright was also not good... it should be 1997-2008 as you say | 16:21 |
| Juli_ | I'll correct | 16:21 |
| dholbach | alright | 16:22 |
| Juli_ | about libnb-platform8-devel-java and Conflicts with platform7-devel-java | 16:23 |
| dholbach | regarding the conflicts/replaces: both devel-java packages contain files with the same name | 16:23 |
| dholbach | so they're bound to clash | 16:23 |
| dholbach | the other packages are fine because all files have platform7 or platform8 in the file / directory name | 16:24 |
| Juli_ | actually they both install staff at the same folder | 16:24 |
| dholbach | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html | 16:24 |
| dholbach | Juli_: can you install both devel-java packages at the same time? | 16:24 |
| Juli_ | actually yes... i just thinking about if I really need them both simultaneously | 16:26 |
| Juli_ | give me a second | 16:26 |
| dholbach | let me try that too | 16:26 |
| dholbach | I get a clash when I try to install both | 16:27 |
| dholbach | this could well happen to people who upgrade from one netbeans version to the other | 16:27 |
| dholbach | we need to make sure they're not installed at the same time and that the upgrade is properly dealt with | 16:28 |
| dholbach | oh... the same for java-doc | 16:28 |
| dholbach | oh... the same for platform{7,8}-java-doc | 16:28 |
| Juli_ | yes i see | 16:28 |
| persia | Juli_: dholbach: Plan is to drop the old platform: there's nothing else depending on it in the archives, and users are expecting several API/ABI changes with a new release anyway. We can't expect proper security support from upstream for 18 months on the older package. | 16:30 |
| persia | (well, we can kinda, but it may be awkward) | 16:30 |
| dholbach | persia: right... still there needs to be a conflicts/replaces | 16:31 |
| persia | Indeed :) | 16:31 |
| persia | dholbach: Thanks for helping with Java review :) | 16:31 |
| dholbach | somebody needs to give a second ACK on nb-platform later | 16:32 |
| dholbach | but given that we have the package in the archive already makes the review a bit more straightforward | 16:32 |
| Juli_ | I'll upload new copyrights:) | 16:32 |
| Juli_ | and may it it is better to set up Conflicts/replaces anyway? | 16:33 |
| dholbach | definitely | 16:33 |
| Juli_ | ok...I'll do now | 16:33 |
| dholbach | we can't have the package installation failing because two packages want to claim the same file | 16:33 |
| Juli_ | dholbach: one question I can't understand... can user use Inrepid packages and Hardy packages simultaneously? | 16:38 |
| dholbach | Juli_: as soon the new nb-platform is ACKed, approved by the archive admins and built on the build daemons, we have the following situation: | 16:39 |
| dholbach | two source packages each building 3 binary packages | 16:39 |
| dholbach | and users having the old netbeans with old nb-platform (7) installed | 16:39 |
| Juli_ | yes | 16:40 |
| dholbach | as soon as they upgrade to the new netbeans that will pull in the new nb-platform (8), right? | 16:40 |
| Juli_ | yes | 16:40 |
| dholbach | right... that's the point where it clashes | 16:40 |
| dholbach | the packages need to tell dpkg: "no way, I'm not going to be installable with package XYZ" | 16:40 |
| dholbach | that's why we need the conflicts / replaces | 16:40 |
| Juli_ | hmmm... i thought replaces is for this | 16:41 |
| geser | Juli_: if someone updates from hardy to intrepid, nothing deletes old packages from a system (even if they aren't anymore in the archive). The only exception are Conflicts specified in new packages. | 16:41 |
| Juli_ | I can upgrade package with Replace only, without Conflicts... the result is both of them are supposed to be installed | 16:42 |
| geser | Juli_: Replace only tells dpkg that a package can overwrite files from an other package (e.g. a file which from one package to an other) | 16:42 |
| Juli_ | geser: yes I understand | 16:43 |
| persia | Juli_: We specifically don't want to permit both of them to be installed, as the older package will not receive support, and the user will be left with a mess. Much better to Conflict: | 16:45 |
| Juli_ | persia: I agree, yes, but there will be a problem if user will try to install netbeans 6.0.1 (old one) having netbeans 6.1(new) packages in cache | 16:46 |
| Juli_ | if it is impossible, than no problem | 16:46 |
| persia | Juli_: Right, but that oughtn't happen because we'll only have one "netbeans" package in the archive. That's why I advocated not having the version numbers in the package names. | 16:47 |
| Juli_ | persia: but I can configure my /etc/apt/sources to use hardy and intrepid simultaneously | 16:48 |
| persia | Juli_: That's not supported :) | 16:48 |
| Juli_ | persia: so, no questions any more! thanks for clarification! | 16:49 |
| Juli_ | it takes so long time for package to appear on web after upload:( | 16:59 |
| Juli_ | dholbach: fixed:) Thank you for keenness of observation | 17:01 |
| Juli_ | dholbach: and sorry for doubts I just wanted to understand everything for future | 17:07 |
| dholbach | Juli_: no problem... better be safe and ask 5 times if you need to - I'm happy to help where I can :) | 17:08 |
| Juli_ | dholbach: you really help:) | 17:08 |
| dholbach | Juli_: checking it ou | 17:18 |
| dholbach | out | 17:18 |
| dholbach | Juli_: that looks much better :-) | 17:29 |
| * dholbach gives his +1 | 17:30 | |
| dholbach | if anybody else can give their +1, we can get it uploaded :-) | 17:30 |
| Juli_ | dholbach: thanks a lot! | 17:30 |
| dholbach | ok my friends... I'm going to call it a day now | 17:44 |
| dholbach | see you all tomorrow! | 17:44 |
| Juli_ | Good bye dholbach:) | 17:47 |
| dholbach | cody-somerville or geser: do you think one of you could check out libnb-platform-java on REVU before FF? | 17:54 |
| dholbach | (as I said before it's an update of an existing source packages) | 17:55 |
| dholbach | thanks in advance - see you tomorrow :) | 17:55 |
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| vbabiy | Does any one have any why I am getting this with Java 5 update 12 on ubuntu http://paste2.org/p/66504 | 19:33 |
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