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bdrungsgml-data is not a complete catalog00:02
bdrung<asac> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/ipr-notice-2002123100:08
bdrungThe software or Document Type Definitions (DTDs) associated with W3C specifications are governed by the  Software Notice.00:08
bdrungasac: i call it a day. i will tomorrow update the copyright file to reflect the license of the DTDs00:24
asacthanks bdrung00:25
bdrungother things i have to do for accepting the package?00:26
bdrungasac: arg, i have to check 214 files tomorrow. this will need some time.00:29
asacyeah ;)00:30
asacthats why i said that it would be easier to remove them and use system ones00:30
bdrungasac: then i would have to check 214 files where they are now (other directories and may be other file names)00:31
bdrungasac: i have to make two handmade birthday presents for thursday and friday and to pack my back because i will be on vacation on saturday00:33
Jazzvaasac, why does nspluginwrapper install /usr/sbin? it says it's empty...00:37
Jazzvaany reason for placing it there?00:37
asacJazzva: nspluginwrapper is installed in /usr/sbin?00:37
JazzvaW: nspluginwrapper: package-contains-empty-directory usr/sbin/00:38
asacah ... no there is no reason00:38
asacfor sure00:38
Jazzvaok, then I'll remove it00:38
Jazzvabtw, it also creates /usr/lib/{mozilla,firefox,iceweasel,nspluginwrapper}/plugins/... I suppose that's where it later places the plugins, right?00:39
asacnot sure ;)00:39
asacmost likely yes.00:39
asaclinks to those directories ... most likely00:39
asacbut maybe its not used at all00:40
Jazzvathey seem filled here :)00:40
ftahttp://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20080824052425167/Editors.html00:40
Jazzvawe should remove iceweasel, anyway... we're not shipping it :)00:40
Jazzvado we forward nspluginwrapper to debian?00:40
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asacJazzva: not sure. you could file a bug in debian ;)01:04
Jazzvahmm.. i think we did take it from them...01:04
asacJazzva: or ask the maintainer directly01:04
Jazzvamanpage is written for debian :)01:05
asac i think he is responsive01:05
Jazzvaok01:05
asacmost likely debian is frozen for the time being01:05
asacwhich is probably why they didnt upgrade nspluginwrapper01:05
asacJazzva: so is 1.1.0 good?01:05
Jazzvaso-so... :)01:05
Jazzvaseems better than 1.0.001:05
Jazzvabut I still manage to crash Fx with it01:05
asacJazzva:  do you have a backtrace?01:06
Jazzvahmm... no. I could obtain one, I think...01:07
Jazzvathe plus side of 1.1.0 is that it manages to restart nspluginwrapper once it fails01:08
Jazzvaso, you don't have to restart ff in order to see flash objects. but sometimes it just crashes the browser01:08
Jazzvaand also, some flash object look a bit weird and take more cpu power. i didn't manage to find out when and why that happens. it happened on few youtube videos, but not on most of them...01:09
Jazzvathat's why I will push it to my PPA first, I would like if someone could test it, and give us feedback01:10
asacJazzva: ill test that tomorrow then01:12
asacJazzva: feel free to push that to mozillateam PPA01:12
Jazzvagreat :)01:12
JazzvaI will01:12
asacit currently hasnt a real direction and I don think that the mozillateam endorses it to be added by default in sources.lsit anywhere01:12
Jazzvaasac, we don't have a branch for nspluginwrapper?01:38
Jazzvabtw https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam ... there are a lot of "branch has errors" messages01:38
ftathat's the upgrade effect01:39
Jazzvaah :)... thanks, fta01:39
asacupgrade effect? ... id rather call that a bug01:41
Jazzvait's not a bug... it's just an undocumented feature ;)01:41
Jazzva(heh)01:41
asacJazzva: i think http branches are now outdated01:41
asacjust bzr+ssh gives you the latest01:41
asacthe http sync is broken after the upgrade01:41
asac;)01:41
Jazzvahmm... It seems I'm missing my nspluginwrapper branch01:41
Jazzvait doesn't show it up on my page, but it mentions it clearly in bzr log01:42
asacthats what i say ... we broke http sync ;)01:42
* Jazzva grumbles01:42
Jazzvaconfusing01:42
Jazzvaso, I guess I'll just push it and pray for the best :)01:42
asacif you push it you can try to pull it through ssh01:43
asacif that works all should be fine01:43
ftadid you talk to lp guys about that ?01:44
asacthey worked today on it01:44
asacI bug them daily ;)01:44
ftaso it will remain broken until the next (lp) upgrade ?01:45
asacno01:45
asaci think its a manual action thats needed01:45
asaci just think they want to understand whats going on before fixing the symptoms01:45
asacthey fixed sync issues in the past for us ... so i am all positive still ;)01:46
asacfta: so are 1.9.1 and 3.1 branches usable for upload?01:47
asacor do we need to get a freeze exception from motu - which then probably gets bounced back to us ;)01:48
ftausable, yet. for upload, i don't know, they are snapshots. freeze exception from motu ??  no idea01:51
fta-yet+yes01:51
asacare those with all bells and whistles?01:53
asacare they using ffmpeg?01:53
ftano, just system asound, and in-source ogg01:54
ftagstreamer will follow01:54
Jazzvait seems it's creating new branches for nspluginwrapper... it's pushing them really slow.01:55
Jazzva(then again, maybe I never pushed it with bzr... maybe I just uploaded it to ppa)01:55
asacno its indeed slow today01:56
ftaas for system ogg, that's a lot of work. 5 or 6 libs (some are snapshots), configure to patch, minimum01:56
asacwhich is probably the reason why they didnt fix anything yet (other more important fires burning)01:56
Jazzvaok... now to push to mt-ppa01:56
asacfta: ok01:56
asacfta: system ogg isnt nice. can we at least hope for system gstreamer?01:57
ftait's not ready yet01:57
ftathey have no idea on how to handle multiple codecs for a given mime-type01:58
asacfta: was alpha 2 released by now?01:58
* asac looks at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3.1/Schedule01:58
ftai don't think so01:58
Jazzvaok ... pushed to mt-ppa :). I hope it won't complain I forgot to rename .tar.gz to .orig.tar.gz02:00
Jazzvahmm... it uploaded all as one .tar.gz... no .diff.gz :(02:01
Jazzvatwo more lintian warnings. I'll fix the missing .orig.tar.gz by fixing lintian warnings, and then uploading as ~mt2 :)02:03
asacsure02:04
ftawon't work, different tarballs, it will complain, you need to bump version :(02:05
ftaok, enough for today02:05
Jazzva~mt2 is larger than ~mt102:05
JazzvaIt should work, I thnk02:05
Jazzva*think02:05
asacfta: he can also delete package ;)02:05
asacJazzva: ^^02:05
asacfrom ppa02:05
Jazzvamhm...02:06
asacin that way you dont need to bump upstream version02:06
JazzvaI think I still have to bump version02:06
asacok02:06
asacthen do that ;)02:06
JazzvaI once deleted package from my ppa on wrong upload, but it still complained02:06
Jazzvashould I update Standards-Version?02:06
ftadoesn't hurt02:07
asac1.1.0+1-0ubuntu1 ;)02:07
asacor02:07
asac1.1.0+originalized-0ubuntu1 ;)02:07
Jazzvahaha :)02:07
fta(ugly)02:07
asac1.1.0+foreign-0ubuntu1 ;)02:07
asacas opposed to "native" package ;)02:08
* fta leaving02:08
Jazzvatoo bad it's not 0.1.102:08
ftai really need some sleep02:08
Jazzva0.1.1+2+3+5+8... :)02:08
asacfta: night02:08
Jazzvanight, fta :)02:08
ftathx02:08
ftau202:08
Jazzvathanks :)02:09
Jazzvaasac, amd64 build failed to build. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17105720/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.nspluginwrapper_1.1.0-0ubuntu1~mt1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz02:26
Jazzvawhat's that error that it reports?02:26
Jazzvahmm... it recommends curl to be installed, and then reports an error "No cURL environment found". Maybe that's related?02:28
Jazzvaoff to sleep03:33
JazzvaThe i386 build of nspluginwrapper-1.1.0 should be finished in max. 30 minutes. I would like if someone could test it :).03:33
JazzvaIt can be downloaded from https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive03:33
JazzvaThanks03:33
crimsunI'll pbuild it in a sec.03:44
Jazzvaseems curl should be a dependency...03:56
Jazzvacrimsun, thanks. But I'll upload again... just to move curl to depend03:56
Jazzva*Depends03:56
crimsunare you sure?03:57
crimsunI just tried to build it, and it bailed.03:57
Jazzvawell, it failed to build on i386 too03:58
Jazzvahttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/17107023/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.nspluginwrapper_1.1.0-0ubuntu1~mt2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz03:58
crimsun(Looking to see if it needs a real build-dep)03:58
Jazzvait's weird because 1.0.0 built fine03:58
crimsunwhich libcurl-\*dev?  (openssl or gnutls)03:59
crimsunI guess gnutls, since the copyright doesn't seem to list an exception for section 2.04:01
JazzvaI'm not sure :)04:02
Jazzvaanyway, I should go, it's really late here, and I'm getting up early.04:04
crimsunok, I'll test and push a test if necessary.04:05
crimsunhmph, crashes on hardy/amd64 (either gnutls or openssl)04:22
crimsunhaven't looked into stackprotector yet, going back to 5-A-Day ATM04:23
XioNoXHi !10:07
Jazzvawe should look to add ubiquity extension to the repos :) (when it gets stable enough) http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/08/introducing-ubiquity/11:35
JazzvaI'll add info to the table11:35
asacJazzva: what does it do?11:40
asacbut yeah, i agree11:40
Jazzvamash-ups the web (or so it says) :)11:40
Jazzvafor example11:41
asacmost things from lab would be nice11:41
JazzvaI just took a link on the blog post, converted it to a tinyurl, and posted it to my twitter, with two commands :)11:41
Jazzvathere's a video on the blog post explaining ubiquity and what can we do with it.11:42
JazzvaOne of the things it's possible to do with it is to open wikipedia article on selected word. I think we could add the same for Ubuntu wiki, if we upload this to the archive :)11:43
asacnice11:45
gnomefreakok next i work on smuxi ;) than firegpg12:04
asacgnomefreak: is firegpg ready?12:05
asaci mean did you clean up the lintian warnings left?12:05
asac(should be quite easy to fix warnings)12:05
gnomefreakasac: no not yet still trying to figure 2 things out12:16
gnomefreak_am i here12:36
gnomefreakgnomefreak: yay it works12:37
gnomefreak_carret mode?12:39
gnomefreak_s/carret/caret12:39
gnomefreak10 tabs but it works12:43
gnomefreakseems server window didnt say anything about /nick12:46
gnomefreakasac: name of that patch should be something like ubuntu-makefile?12:47
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RainCTHi14:48
RainCTIf I want to update adblock-plus do I have to do it today or can you give freeze exceptions for extensions like for Hardy?14:48
RainCTasac: ^15:56
asacRainCT: yeah ... today would be nice16:15
asachavent requested a general freeze exception yet. so i dont know ;)16:15
asacRainCT: are there any problems with adblock plus ?16:15
RainCTasac: not really, only a random page using content type xml/xhtml which breaks when a rule provided by some automatic subscriptions is enabled (not sure if the new version fixes that)16:22
RainCTI wanted to update it some weeks ago but couldn't figure out how to get the source of a stable release (/me blames cvs/svn) :P16:22
asacRainCT: no source of a stable release?16:30
asachehe16:30
asacstrange16:31
RainCTasac: no, only the repo16:33
RainCTand as every file has it's own log and revno I find it confusing as hell :P16:34
asacRainCT: yeah. did you ever ask the author for TAGs?17:41
asacwould help a lot i guess17:41
RainCTasac: TAGs?17:43
asacRainCT: cvs tags?18:03
armin76bumb tags?18:04
RainCTah18:04
RainCTno. there may already be tags, but I don't know how to use them neither :P18:05
asacRainCT: you can see tags by cvs status -v FILENAME18:05
asacand you can checkout a tag by -r18:05
asace.g.18:05
asaccvs checkout -r RELEASE_1_0 mozilla18:05
asacor if you are in the tree you can switch to tags by18:06
asaccvs up -r RELEASE_1_0 -d18:06
RainCTok, thanks18:10
Jazzvaasac, about nspluginwrapper... the build failed because "which curl-config" returned an empty string. I looked, and /usr/bin/curl-config (which is what I get for "which curl-config") is provided by libcurl4-gnutls-dev. I'll try to add it to the build-depends, and to see if it'll build18:16
asacJazzva: ok. let me know. we should at least upload something today ;)18:53
asaci misunderstood and the feature freeze means that everything should be uploaded today ... and not tomorrow ;)18:53
asacat least thats what i read from slangaseks announcement18:54
Jazzvatoday?18:55
asacyes18:55
JazzvaI thought it also includes tomorrow18:55
asacme too ;)18:55
asacbut that was wrong18:55
asac;)18:55
Jazzvait should be built for i386 now too18:55
asacyes18:55
Jazzvait was queued few minutes ago18:55
Jazzvaamd64 build is done18:55
asacstill spinning on i386 ;)18:56
Jazzvayeah, noticed18:56
Jazzvaqueued for 30 minutes already18:56
Jazzvaah, not18:56
Jazzvabuilding :D18:56
Jazzvashould be done in 3-4 minutes, I think18:56
asacJazzva: x86 always worked quite well, right?18:57
Jazzvayep...18:57
asacit was amd64 that had issues with 1.0?18:57
asacok18:57
Jazzvabut, as I mentioned, it seems that flash sometimes take more cpu power with 1.1.018:57
Jazzvaand it happens randomly, as far as I can see18:57
asacJazzva: do we know if its really a regression from 0.9 to 1.0 ... or maybe its just a regression from hardy -> intrepid? e.g. in ia32libs or something18:57
Jazzvathat's why I would like more people to test :)18:57
asacJazzva: yeah. i think we should upload that now18:58
asacor well ... after you say that 1.1.0 works somewhat18:58
asacin worst case we can revert later18:58
Jazzvawell... both 1.0.0 and 1.1.0 works somewhat :)18:58
Jazzva1.0.0 gets me nspluginwrapper.bin popups... and once it starts I usually have to restart Fx18:58
Jazzvaif I want to see Flash normally18:59
jdstrand_asac: oh, I forgot to mention. that weird ff3 not starting was due to my .mozilla directory not being available (it's is symlink into an ecryptfs directory)18:59
jdstrand_and ecryptfs didn't automount for some reason18:59
Jazzva1.1.0 doesn't do that.. if it fails to open some flash object, reopening the tab should be enough... no popups so far. but it sometimes take up more cpu power than normal for some flash objects19:00
jdstrand_asac: ie not your bug :)19:00
Jazzvaok, i386 built :)19:00
Jazzvafeel free to test it :)19:00
asacjdstrand_: thanks for the follow up ;) .... though I wasnt too bothered i must admit19:00
asacjdstrand_: you have intrepid on i386? :)19:01
jdstrand_asac: yep19:01
asacjdstrand_: would you mind testing nspluginwrapper 1.1.0 ?19:01
asacwe need to upload that today and i want to be sure it at least works some19:02
jdstrand_asac: where is it and what is a quick test?19:02
Jazzvaand if anyone else is interested in testing nspluginwrapper 1.1.0, feel free to do it. I would be very grateful :)19:02
asacjdstrand_: its installing http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17119684/nspluginwrapper_1.1.0-0ubuntu1%7Emt3_i386.deb ... and then apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree19:02
asacjdstrand_: if thats done you should see in abou:plugins that shockwave flash is now nspluginwrapper (i think npviewer)19:03
asacand if flash still works the test is done ;)19:03
jdstrand_asac: I didn't have nspluginwrapper installed before (but did have flashplugin-nonfree)19:04
Jazzvaalso, this video seems to fail to work normally, now for the second time19:04
jdstrand_asac: I don't use flash much-- but I'll check a few things19:04
Jazzvahttp://failblog.org/ - first video on the page19:04
Jazzvahmm... and now fx just crashed :(19:05
asacjdstrand_: right. nspluginwrapper was only available on amd64 previously19:05
asacthats what is new in intrepid19:05
jdstrand_asac: File name: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so19:05
asacjdstrand_: good. maybe just visit a few sites and see if something really breaks19:05
jdstrand_asac: first video I went to on youtube worked with sound and all19:06
jdstrand_asac: youtube and usatoday worked well. vh1.com has significant flickering, but plays19:10
jdstrand_asac: I'd say it 'at least works some'19:11
asacjdstrand_: you know that the flickering isnt there without nspluginw?19:37
asacJazzva: do you have a backtrace of that crash?19:38
Jazzvaonce again no...19:38
JazzvaI'll see if it will crash for the third time :)19:38
asacJazzva: do you have dbgsym packages?19:39
JazzvaI'm not sure... I'll check19:39
Jazzvaasac, what's the -dbg package for firefox3?19:42
asacJazzva: xulrunnner-1.9-dbgsym and firefox-3.0-dbgsym19:43
Jazzvaah19:43
asacwhich are not available atm :(19:43
Jazzvanoticed for the second one, as I couldn't find it19:43
Jazzvawhen they will be available?19:44
asac*sigh*19:44
asaci dont know. i have the feeling never :(19:44
asacthey apparently got wiped by uploading through security19:45
asacjdstrand_: btw, is that a mis-feature that we dont have -dbgsym packages of security? someone said that it is19:45
asacor is it just that this upload something went wrong?19:45
asacJazzva: oh ... on intrepid there hsould be -dbgsym packages19:46
asacJazzva: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#Crashes19:46
Jazzvahmm... let's update the list19:46
asacthere are the apt lines you need19:46
asacjust hardy -> intrepid19:46
Jazzvaah... notice19:47
Jazzvanoticed19:47
asacJazzva: there is also the list of packages that would beneficial for a backtrace19:47
asacJazzva: maybe also install nspluginwrapper-dbgsym19:47
asacoh ... ppa doesnt produce them .. for that oyu need to build it locally with pkg-create-dbgsym installed while building19:47
asacbut given that nspluginwrapper builds quick i guess that its not a problem19:48
Jazzvaok19:48
Jazzvado I need anything else beside pkg-create-dbgsym19:48
Jazzva?19:48
asacJazzva: no that should be it19:48
asacit automagically hooks into dh_strip and sorts the debug symbols somewhere19:49
Jazzvaaha... ok19:49
jdstrand_asac: I followed up with #is, but they said to talk to pitti-- I have it on my todo list when he gets back19:52
asacjdstrand_: ok. right ... now i rmember that pitti is gone ... no doubt there is a blocker ;)19:53
[reed]pitti on vacation?22:01
asac[reed]: yes22:06
[reed]ah22:07
asac[reed]: waiting for something?22:07
[reed]no, just curious22:07
asacJazzva: there?22:24
Jazzvaasac, sorry... was on dinner22:28
Jazzvait's not crashing now :(22:28
asacJazzva: thats not particular bad news ;)22:29
Jazzvabut it's where it consumes a lot of cpu22:29
asacJazzva: does that cpu usage go away when you leave the website?22:29
Jazzvaasac, yes22:29
asacok.22:30
Jazzvaand the browser is almost unusable when that happens22:30
asacbut its the pluginwrapper process that takes the CPU? or firefox?22:30
Jazzvaasac, Xorg ~30%, pulseaudio ~20%, npviewer max 10%, firefox around 10% (pa is there because of exaile)22:33
Jazzvaonce I turn that tab off - firefox ~4-5%, npviewer 1-3%22:33
Jazzvaand Xorg ~5%22:33
asacJazzva: and that doesnt happen if you dont use pluginwrapper?22:34
Jazzvahmm, not sure22:35
Jazzvabut this has started when I switched to 1.1.022:35
Jazzvaok, something happened22:36
Jazzvafirefox hanged22:36
JazzvaI'll paste you the backtrace22:37
asacdid it crash or deadlock?22:38
JazzvaProgram received signal SIGPIPE, Broken pipe.22:39
JazzvaI had to force firefox to clos22:39
Jazzva*close22:39
Jazzvaand after that, nspluginviewer reported error "Connection closed"22:40
Jazzvaa lot of times :)22:40
Jazzvado you want me to send you the log? it's a bit longer22:40
ftaFIREFOX_3_0_2_BUILD122:42
[reed]heh, people are pretending to me now :(22:43
[reed]http://www.oxymoronical.com/blog/2008/08/Throwing-in-the-Towel#comments22:43
[reed]none of those comments are really from me22:43
Jazzvaasac, http://pastebin.com/f5fe8b59922:46
Jazzvaasac, line 217 is where it starts22:46
asac[reed]: hey. maybe there are indeed more reed lodens out there ;)22:48
[reed]haha22:48
[reed]armin76: http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/397622:50
fta[reed], just read the article, i kind of know the feeling. i orphaned several projects in the past when i realized is was no longer fun.22:53
ftabut other people decided to take over on their own, without even me asking for it22:54
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Jazzvaasac, there?23:37
asacJazzva: yeah ... in meeting23:39
asacJazzva: we have 1:30 to upload ;)23:39
Jazzvahaha :)23:39
Jazzvaoke... I'll just push with normal version to my branch (without ~mtX)23:39
Jazzvais that ok?23:39
JazzvaI'm not sure what to do about that issue... both 1.0.0 and 1.1.0 have pos and neg sides, so I can't make up my mind23:40
asacJazzva: sure23:40
asacJazzva: i can also grab the PPA version and fix version and upload if you prefer23:41
Jazzvawhatever you want. it's the same for me23:41
Jazzvanotify me if I need to push to my branch23:43
asacJazzva: is that a full source branch or just debian/ ?23:44
asacmaybe give me the url ;)23:44
Jazzvafull source (.ubuntu branched .upstream)23:45
Jazzvaasac, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/nspluginwrapper/ubuntu23:46
Jazzvaasac, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/nspluginwrapper/upstream23:46
asacgood23:46
asaci think i shoul dpush that to ~ubuntu-dev then when i upload23:46
asacremind me in 10 minutes  ... after meeting is over23:47
Jazzvado you want me to change the version?23:47
Jazzva(to remove ~mt)23:47
asacJazzva: yes. and use dch -r to update date23:47
asacand commit with "RELEASE x.y.z to ubuntu/intrepid"23:48
Jazzvaasac, done23:50
Jazzvaasac, after-meeting reminder ;)23:59

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