[00:03] nalioth: fyi, LjL says that you probably want to take a look at propagate a3a9505130bb57d03dd723a4381d5f60 1219789631 http://rafb.net/p/yz1P9l14.txt at some of the commented code to take care of the issue where your floodbots are not in #ubuntu-proxy-users [00:05] er, .txt, .html [00:12] PriceChild, why you getting excited? [00:21] In #ubuntuforums-beginners, Alan_M said: ubot3`, ufw is Uncomplicated Firewall..it is included in Ubuntu Hardy Heron by default, you may use it by going to a !terminal (Applications > Terminal) and typing in !sudo ufw to get the help system for it. You may enable it by typing !sudo ufw enable or !sudo ufw disable to disable it. ufw uses !iptables as a backend. [00:22] !ufw [00:22] Sorry, I don't know anything about ufw [00:23] !info ufw [00:23] ufw (source: ufw): program for managing a netfilter firewall. In component main, is standard. Version 0.16.2.3 (hardy), package size 22 kB, installed size 204 kB [00:23] isn't ufw a graphical program? [00:24] well, optionally [00:24] nope... [00:24] its curses? or what? [00:24] Ufw is a tool to manage a local host-based firewall. It provides a command [00:24] line interface and aims to be uncomplicated and easy to use. [00:24] it provides one, but that doesn't mean it only has one. gdebi provides a CLI interface as well as a gui [00:25] * Mez doesnt see any Graphical interface [00:26] I agree. It doesn't depend on anything graphical [00:27] !away > m_newton [00:28] heh. iptables provides a commandline interface [00:28] elky_work, ufw confuses me... [00:28] Mez: o [00:28] Mez: i;'ve never used it [00:29] * elky_work kicks the keyboard repeatedly [00:29] elky_work: Are you using it as a foot pedal? [00:29] elky_work, It seems weird that it has application profiles [00:29] Pici: tempted [00:29] or can you just easily kick that high? [00:29] Pici: i put it on the ground first [00:29] the cable is long enough [00:30] wellknown or well known or well-known? [00:30] well known [00:30] ty [00:30] although, the last is also valid, but not as correct [00:31] but never the first [00:31] ya [00:31] depending on the context, reknown would also fit [00:31] wellbeing, well being, or well-being ? :P [00:31] none [00:31] the need for such a feature is well known [00:31] elky_work, ? [00:32] Myrtti: looks good to me. [00:32] Mez: trying to confuzzle you [00:32] Myrtti: have you played with the dev branch of Specto? [00:32] mneptok: nope [00:32] k [00:32] grnotify is excellent [00:32] it needs to be packaged so bad [00:33] oh, I've forgotten to check which version of bitlbee is going to be in intrepid [00:33] it *should* be the one that allows connecting to ports 80 and 443 [00:33] elky_work, would you guys on the IRC council have an objection to a bot that parts/joins every hour or so, to check for onjoin messages? [00:34] Mez: freenode has several staffers who do that already [00:34] elky_work, ah, fair enough - but surely a bot wouldn't harm? [00:34] "how many of them are in #ubuntu" [00:35] Myrtti: i believe the majority are [00:35] Myrtti: btw that is correct yes. i'd personally have used 'widely recognised' instead of 'well known' given that it's about 'needs' [00:36] elky_work: thanks [00:36] more bs talk [00:36] and that takes more characters too [00:36] which is good since I've actually got nothing to write about [00:36] because knowing a need and recognising are different things, and i beleive you're indicating the latter [01:01] * Myrtti yawns, gets more coffee [01:19] anyone seen what miscataloging just did in #ubuntu before? [01:20] can't say I have [01:20] was that intentional? [01:20] well the numbers did a good job of avoiding tripping the floodbots [01:21] did that make any sense [01:21] what I said? [01:22] yeah... [01:22] heh :) [01:23] miscataloging repeated the same phrase but added some random numbers each time so the floodbots didn't see it as repeating. Maybe they don't even check for that though and just have a rate limit [01:23] ooh [01:24] that was... [01:24] scary [01:24] was k-lined [01:24] 03:23 < LimCore> [02:23] [Whois] miscataloging is n=mucl@adsl-70-132-126-201.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net (cions) [01:25] 03:23 < LimCore> kline him ##c++ massive flood [01:25] this is not his first rodeo on the network [01:27] I did /set activity_hide_level JOINS PARTS NICKS MODES QUITS [01:27] earlier today [01:27] and it feels so liverating [01:27] liberating, even [01:30] * Myrtti growls at the fourth wall [01:51] In ubot3`, m_newton said: !twss is That's what she said! [01:51] ... === ubot3` is now known as ubot3 [01:52] !twss [01:52] good. [01:52] Sorry, I don't know anything about twss [01:52] good [01:53] as someone would say... EEEEEeexcellent. [01:53] Myrtti: Have you spoken to him, or should I? [01:54] who, m_newton? [01:54] about what? [01:56] nevermind [01:57] forgotten already [02:24] that's what she said! [02:24] errr ... [02:32] I sent richiefrich a copy of the CoC, so feel free to treat as a first warning if needed. [03:00] Anyone about? [03:01] sure [03:01] Orbixx: shoot [03:03] I run a commercial web hosting business - just wondered if it was alright to drop a line in #ubuntu for anyone who happens to be after some hosting for whatever they need. Free of charge for the Open Source community. [03:03] My way of giving back what I feel I have taken. [03:03] Oh hey, it's PriceChild. [03:04] I keep forgetting you're the Ubuntu community leader dude. [03:04] he's not ;-) [03:04] Ah. [03:04] Jono is [03:05] I may have exaggerated due to my lack of decent memory. [03:05] Hah. [03:05] You'd think I was running rambus inside this head of mine. [03:05] Pici: poit [03:05] Orbixx: I can't speak for the IRC Council, but the stance has always been to not allow advertising. [03:05] Myrtti: yah yah. [03:06] same sentiments from me [03:06] I suspected so. [03:06] That's why I came to ask first. [03:06] It's just proving relatively difficult to give something away to the Open Source community for free. [03:06] Freenode is pretty much an ideal place - but I just don't want to upset anyone in the process. [03:07] pick a project you really much like and donate them some webspace? [03:07] * Myrtti shrugs [03:07] Heh, the projects I like the most already have webspace. [03:07] I'm looking for projects I MIGHT like once they're fully developed. [03:08] I'm starting to webmaster a site for Carrotmob Finland and good and trustworthy webhosts are always hard to find [03:08] Throw them a rope whilst they're developing, if you see what I mean. [03:08] ha [03:08] Well, even if I don't like them, it's still fine by me. [03:08] If you know what I mean. [03:08] :P [03:09] Myrtti: Tell me about it. I can't seem to get anyone to place their full trust in me without hosting with me for months and months. [03:09] Everyone is so paranoid that their host will let them down. [03:09] Mainly because a lot of them do. [03:10] * Myrtti rolls her eyes [03:10] do I know that... [03:10] yeah [03:10] trust is a hard issue [03:10] Anyway, I understand you can't really make an exception, as it's really a team-driven thing. [03:10] Would you mind asking, though? [03:10] Whenever you have chance. [03:10] I was just going to say that I would do that. [03:10] I'd appreciate it. [03:10] ping nalioth, PriceChild, elkbuntu ^ [03:11] PriceChild is detached. [03:11] sure, but the backlog will greet him when he wakes up [03:11] :-P [03:11] lol [03:11] :) [03:12] I know of PriceChild from a 3rd party IRC server I run on behalf of a UK ISP. [03:12] He's on the same ISP as me, thus he pops his head in my IRC server now and then. [03:12] Quite the coincidence. [03:12] one of the sponsors of a project I've been affiliated since 2004 runs a mirror for php.net [03:13] perhaps mirroring some documentation or like? [03:13] That's a good idea. [03:13] * Myrtti huggles fi.php.net [03:15] advertising of any sort is not allowed. period. [03:15] * Myrtti goes back to fiddling LaTeX [03:18] Ah well. [03:18] Thanks anyway. [03:30] Orbixx: anything else we can help you with? [03:30] No thanks. [03:30] pedicure? some ramen? [03:30] Does anybody have experience with getting things (ie. Ultamatix) banned from ubuntuforums? [03:46] * Myrtti coughs [03:46] wgrant: send ubuntu-geek a private message re: ultamatix [03:49] Hm. [03:50] Interesting that he checked in here first. [03:51] I was sorta worried there for a while as the discussion on -ot turned into public logging of channels [04:13] as was I [04:13] anyway, sleepy time... [04:13] * Myrtti is envious [04:13] Myrtti: did you sleep at all? [04:13] nope [04:13] still trying to grind [04:15] I'd say 'have fun', but I wont. goodnight. [04:18] tata [05:00] non-issue or non issue? [05:05] * Myrtti giggles at mjg59 [05:16] In #ubuntu, snip3r said: ubottu: where is ur message? [06:30] Jordan_U, hi :) [06:31] bazhang: hi [06:32] Jordan_U, what's up? [06:34] Not much, came in because of the troll in #ubuntu but he just stopped ( last I paid attention at least ) [06:34] Jordan_U: do we know you? [06:35] Jordan_U, was it [ANUL]? [06:37] bazhang: no, blake_ [06:38] Jordan_U, he seems to have left; sorry I was not around earlier to mediate w/him [06:40] wish someone were around to look in -ot [06:42] [ANULSECKS]> why won't anyone let me have my nick, i get randomly kicked and banned [06:42] in -ot now [07:14] bazhang: so, ping Myrtti [07:15] hmm, that was supposed to work [07:15] Ah, it worked anyway. [07:15] not if she's asleep [07:15] mmm, that IP.... [07:16] yes, it's notorious [07:16] Eh, its a big area. roadrunner people in "socal" not really sure where "socal" is actually though. [07:18] normex? [07:18] * nalioth runs [07:19] nalioth: No no, but like san diego is san.res.rr.com, socal is... somewhere specific, or anti-specific, I guess. [07:19] * Flannel enjoys talking in the wrong channels. [07:24] so when 10 minutes goes by, what are we gonna do? [07:25] time's up. [08:35] Moo [08:37] Flannel, bazhang? [08:41] Myrtti: needed an op in -offtopic, but it got sorted. [08:42] You seem to need it there now too [08:42] I have been busy in #u, haven't been keeping up in -offtopic [08:45] Do I want to read the backlog from there when I get on my laptop? [08:45] from where? [08:45] #u? no just support busy, not trouble busy [08:46] No ot [08:46] Ah. Couldn't hurt. Well, actually, it might hurt. [08:51] hmmmm [08:51] I see mespejel in #ubuntu-offtopic [08:52] has he been unbanned? [08:52] (was he banned there?) [08:53] and WHY hasn't ANYONE told locke to STOP at -ot before? [08:57] sigh [08:59] Myrtti: he's only banned in #ubuntu, not -ot [08:59] good [09:13] Myrtti: looks like you'll get the chance to. [09:19] omg I can't believe that locke feller [09:22] \o/ [09:29] I don't want to read the backlog from there [09:29] I just eyed /lastlog locke a bit [09:29] and it was... errrr. [09:30] * Myrtti shudders [09:32] Pici: ping? [09:33] Point of Discussion: Should non-ops be allowed to idle in -ops-monitor? I think it could be a security risk, seeing as we report info in there about who is vulnerable to DCC Exploits [09:34] Mez: Id agree with that. [09:34] (the security risk) [09:34] seems reasonable enough, yes. [09:39] where's me coffee? [09:39] er. [09:39] um. [09:39] yeah. [09:39] the thing is that if we were talking about say, discussion forum [09:40] atleast the law in Finland forbids the "administrators" from giving out any information that the user has given into a "database" [09:41] to third parties [09:41] and the way we use -ops-monitor does involve handling that data [09:42] so basically, strictly speaking - it just might be worthy of a invite-only-with-exceptions or ban-with-exceptions channel [09:43] since we might, willing or not, by accident, give that information to a third party, if they join the channel and we issue commands. [09:43] did that make any sense? [09:43] Myrtti, yes, but my main worry is also people using the fact we know who are exploit victims [09:44] Mez: that is part of it [09:45] ie. that is one of the reasons I think that law has been passed here (and I do believe its been passed because it's an EU directive that has to be implemented in all EU countries) [09:46] it doesn't affect non-EU citizens, but still [09:46] and the standard disclaimer here: [09:46] IANAL! IANAL! [09:51] when me and few others started a site about... /me looks around [09:51] reusable ecological female hygiene products and installed a discussion forum for it [09:52] I wrote, just to make sure, this http://kuukuppikunta.net/foorumi/reksel.html [09:52] its a registry writeup that explains the usage of the "electronical database" [09:53] * Flannel doesnt understand how the last few lines relate to each other... [09:53] and I don't think I want to [09:54] just explaining where my information and intrest in this comes from [09:55] I don't know if writing such a registry writeup is really necessary for discussion forums and so on [09:55] but just as a thought about information privacy and our ... [09:55] * Myrtti tries to grasp a word [09:56] "Our Duties As The Operators Of A Database Containing Information About Telecommunication And Personal Identification" [09:57] Duties and Responsibilities [09:57] * Myrtti goes to rant about cute guinea pigs [09:57] * Myrtti smells the coffee [09:57] is it really a rant if its about cavies? [10:01] omg you should have seen them yesterday! I cleaned their cage and it was soooooooooo hilarious, I brought them in from the balcony as the weather is getting more autumny already, and the little one just went crazy! he jumped up and down and ran around the cage and popcorned as he was happy to be back in the warm cage, and woodchippings just flew all over the place and the older grumpy was covered in it too like he had been in a snow storm... ... [10:01] ... it was a bit scary though too since he really ran around and I was afraid he'd hurt himself as he hit the cage many times :-DDDDDD [10:02] twas cute though. [10:03] and boy did that just sound like that thing from the Fast Show where the old geezer mumbles a story which always ends "... but I have to confess I was very very drunk." [10:05] disclaimer: I've slept too little [10:14] I think we're doing someone's homework in #ubuntu [10:15] salaz's? [10:15] yeah [10:15] do we have !homework factoid? [10:15] !homework [10:15] Sorry, I don't know anything about homework [10:15] no [10:15] homework is offtopic [10:15] so, we odn't need a homework factoid [10:16] it is offtopic [10:16] but we do have !girls too [10:16] !girls [10:16] Girls exist on the internet. See http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27 | http://www.xkcd.com/322/ | For more interesting reading: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ [10:16] eh, I don't have any problem "doing" someone's homework in -offtopic... or at least, the people helping will police that [10:17] there's nothing wrong with asking, etc. People will stop helping after a few questions, and that's just fine. [10:17] I hate it when people come to Internet expecting me to do their research [10:17] :-< [10:17] s/Internet/forums, irc, etc/ [10:18] mhmmm [10:18] theres a distinct difference between helping, and doing. salaz has crossed that. [10:18] heh [10:20] * Myrtti waves her hands, goes to microwave another korvapuusti to be enjoyed with coffee [10:21] you haz teh powah, you useh teh powah. [10:21] that seems drastic. [10:22] gentle nudging should work fine, he seems to have stopped [10:24] bazhang: it's not meant as such, only a notion that if things get ugly, I trust Flannel's judgement on the matter as I'm busy eating and not really intrested to police #u right now. [10:39] FAO: Council... [10:39] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc <-- need updating [11:39] elkbuntu, elky_work ping [11:39] Myrtti, nah, not there. [11:40] 'sup? [11:40] 13:35 < orgthingy> http://www.beigebinary.com/what-if-linux-distros-were-women [11:40] I'm rendered speechless [11:41] have I been living under a rock? [11:41] dont tell me it's that stupid pr0nt00n stuff again [11:41] uh, that's worse [11:41] :( [11:49] Mez: what needs updating? [11:49] like the links that refer to *.nl? [11:50] fixed [11:53] I've closed -ops-monitor, and added invite exemptions to anyone who is already in there. Please poke me if you would like access and can't currently enter. [11:53] vulnerable users are already displayed during an actual attack, and from reading the bantracker [11:54] I'm worried about someone seeing and messing with how our floodbots. [11:54] work [11:55] yup [11:55] PriceChild: just as a sanity check, since you clearly read the backlog, did that rant of mine have any sense at all [11:55] not reading the bantracker, but reading the ban list [11:56] Yup I read it. [11:56] yup [11:57] PriceChild: while you're up, can I get voice in -ops-monitor? [11:57] perhaps ikonia too? [11:57] * Myrtti iz being nice [12:03] Myrtti: you should have it [12:04] * Myrtti hands PriceChild a large $CAFFEINEBEVERAGE [12:04] You do don't you? :/ [12:04] I do [12:04] oh wait, that was jrib [12:04] silly me [12:05] :-) [12:05] * PriceChild fires up ubuntuircconcil [12:06] fixed [12:06] its because myrtti had text around it and i was confused [12:07] * Myrtti hides [12:07] PriceChild: thanks [12:12] http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/08/introducing-ubiquity/ - but but but... [12:16] There already is an ubiquity :( [12:17] * Myrtti gives PriceChild a clean cute black guinea pig for consolation [12:17] snuggle with Laku, will make you feel better. [12:17] he's warm and soft. and big. [12:18] * jpds pokes cjwatson in -devel. [12:18] Myrtti: pong? [12:18] also... I can't believe you're still awake. [12:19] I slept a few hours between 8 and 10 [12:27] http://www.jewbuntu.com/ [12:28] Where was that? [12:28] in -ot [12:28] hmm? [12:28] just because it is on the internet does not mean it is alright to paste in -ot imo [12:29] is there something wrong with that? [12:32] * Myrtti grunts at the lag [12:37] the UCE has the bible reading app etc, I assume there could be similar derivate with hebcal and torah reading app etc... [13:10] why am I getting here instead of ubuntu? [13:10] @btlogin [13:11] error404notfound, hi. [13:11] hi [13:12] I've temporarily forwarded you here, as you seem to have been flooding the #ubuntu channel, while away... [13:12] strange, I didn't even realised :( [13:12] 2008-08-27T08:31:54 A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept. [13:12] yeah, lemme grab logs a second [13:12] okay, can someone tell me from where can I get official sources.lst? [13:12] hmmm, strange... stupid plugin... sorry :( [13:15] *yawns* sorry [13:15] logs are huge [13:16] error404notfound: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu [13:16] that's the page I was right now at... [13:16] error404notfound: so, have you disabled that plugin of yours now? [13:17] hopefully it will not this now [13:17] http://rafb.net/p/pfWX6B74.html <-- log of what was going on [13:18] okay, see if it is still causing the same... [13:19] okay, can atleast someone redirect me to the default sources.lst file that comes with the new install? [13:20] error404notfound: #ubuntu for support [13:20] error404notfound, this is not for support, we're just fixing you're issue, then we'll send you back to #ubuntu and you can ask for support there. [13:20] error404notfound, do you know what caused that flooding while you were away? [13:21] Mez: yup, the new music playing extension that I enabled in pidgin, but I never knew it was causing this [13:21] disabled now? [13:22] < ~orgthingy> whats difference between rm * and rm / ? - #u [13:22] yup... [13:22] you can rejoin now [13:30] augh [13:31] error404notfound, you can rejoin #ubuntu now [13:31] Mez: did :D [13:31] ah, didnt see it [13:31] !idle | error404notfound [13:31] error404notfound: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [13:32] ahan... [13:34] jrib, i'm lagging quite a bit, you do it [14:14] In ubottu, Jucato said: no ops-#kubuntu is Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) Riddell, Tm_T, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or jussi01! [14:15] hm.... [14:15] @login [14:15] The operation succeeded. [14:15] sorry about that, just removed my nick [14:15] * Myrtti huggles Jucato [14:15] thanks for the time :) [14:15] * Jucato huggles Myrtti back [14:16] right.. no lurking in here :P [14:16] haha [14:26] hi kids [14:26] Hay [14:28] ola [14:41] so, how's it been while I've been away? [14:44] floodbots have been flipping out, nominations for the council have been published, the usual [14:47] has this "because she has boobs" fellow been back? [14:48] * Pici throws !en at Myrtti [14:48] * Myrtti gives Pici a small kiss on the cheek [14:48] * Tm_T huggles Myrtti [14:48] * Pici blushes [14:52] could someone test my connection? i have done the fix and can't get back into #ubuntu [14:52] HangukMiguk_: You just passed, the floodbots unbanned you. [14:52] thanks [14:53] #ubuntu #ubuntu-read-topic :Forwarding to another channel [14:53] still giving me that [14:54] HangukMiguk_: Try again. [14:54] it worked thanks [14:58] Pici, yes? [14:59] icesword: let me take a look at the bantracker, one moment. [14:59] Pici, OK, thanks [15:02] icesword: Do you happen to remember why you were muted? [15:04] Well, sure, it is well, i used some !XXX to see if some apps are in the repos, but they aren't, so someone thought I amuted the bot, so i was banned [15:05] icesword: Do you understand how to query the bot in a private message? [15:05] Pici, Well, yes [15:05] Pici, it is /msg ubotu something [15:06] Pici, I am sorry, it won't happen again, i will try to be a good boy, thanks [15:06] icesword: In the future, you probably should do that if you are just looking for things for yourself, or if you dont know if the factoid exists. [15:07] I keep an ubottu window open at all times for looking for things [15:07] Pici, OK, that is nice [15:08] icesword: Can you also take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [15:08] Let me know when you are done reading it. [15:08] Pici,OK [15:09] People will know my name, and I had a bad name now. :( [15:11]