[00:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh, the dot is importqant?
[00:00] <Agent_bob> Sixofour|Sleep $PWD is not in the user path unless you add it.\
[00:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> crono@Nekron:~/Desktop/Tempo$ . setup.sh
[00:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> bash: /bin/bashsetup.data/installer/installer: No such file or directory
[00:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> that one sounds bad
[00:01] <Agent_bob> hah  that's a bug in the file.   bad coding practice.
[00:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> so i am screwed?
[00:01] <Agent_bob>  .  ./setup.sh   should work around it.
[00:01] <jhutchins_wk> Sixofour|Sleep: Um, ubotu listed the deb files for you above.  Why are you still struggling?  use apt.
[00:01] <Agent_bob> or sh ./setup.sh
[00:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> crono@Nekron:~/Desktop/Tempo$ . ./setup.sh
[00:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> bash: /bin/bashsetup.data/installer/installer: No such file or directory
[00:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> crono@Nekron:~/Desktop/Tempo$ sh ./setup.sh
[00:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> ./setup.sh: 17: Bad substitution
[00:02] <Agent_bob> yeah it's a bug in the script.
[00:02] <Agent_bob> forget it or fix it.
[00:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> so what do i do?
[00:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[00:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't know hwo to answer PMs
[00:03] <Agent_bob> that's what linux users do with scripts that don't work for them   they edit them so they will work for them.
[00:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm not a linux user, i'm a ubuntu user
[00:03] <Agent_bob> and submit patches to the source
[00:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[00:03] <Agent_bob> Sixofour|Sleep very well stated.
[00:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> !teamspeak
[00:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> er
[00:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> what uis the lnik to that thread someone posted?
[00:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> about teamspeak.debs
 Sixofour|Sleep: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193764
[00:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> that thread doesn't have a .deb, it has a fix for the script
[00:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> and i just dleetd everything, again
[00:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> does no one read the links they post?
[00:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> correction, that link is for seting up a server
[00:08] <jhutchins_wk> !info teamspeak-server
[00:08] <jhutchins_wk> !info teamspeak-client
[00:09] <jhutchins_wk> aptitude install teamspeak-server teamspeak-client
[00:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> firefox still wants me to create a new profile every time even though ive changed the profile directy 5 times crappy software
[00:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have a profile directory with 5 profiles
[00:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> about to add a 6th
[00:13] <Dr_willis> Ive never understood firefox's obsession with profiles.
[00:13] <Dr_willis> Could just remove the profiles totally? perhaps its a permission issue.
[00:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> it is a permission issue
[00:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> does kubuntu need drivers or something for a mic?
[00:20]  * Agent_bob installed debian etch and found out that he wished one could just select "no theme"    
[00:21] <Agent_bob> like why all the theme crap anyway ?       but i'm not messing with that now.    still looking for a vidio encoder
[00:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> where is alsa?..teamspeak as an "other" option for a sound devicwe, and i have to put a directory
[00:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> oss doesn't work
[00:22] <Agent_bob> alsa-oss module
[00:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> where is it?
[00:28] <Agent_bob> sudo modprobe snd-alsa-oss
[00:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> FATAL: Module snd_alsa_oss not found.
[00:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> whats a program for recording so i can test if my mic works?
[00:36] <Dr_Willis_> I do recall some  thread/wiki with teamspeak troubleshooting issues. i think it has to do with how teamspeak handles the alsa sound stuff. But the app does work here fien on my Audigy2 card.
[00:36] <Agent_bob> chatzilla   S:
[00:36] <Agent_bob> i have to go for a bit.
[00:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> can you recall that thread to me?
[00:43] <Dr_Willis_> Ive not had any issues with teamspeak under linux. So i dont have any ofhte therads bookmarked.   Theres also a 'recording' wiki page/howto i recall - that may be the issue
[00:43] <pk> i'm very very new with linux, which p2p recommend me? please
[00:47] <CPrgmSwR2> kde4 rulez
[00:49] <Dr_Willis_> Im sure a lot of people disagree with that statement at this time. :) but it does have potential... and will get better as time goes on
[00:51] <CPrgmSwR2> I am surpized if so
[00:51] <coreymon77> i personally think they went way overboard with plasma
[00:51] <coreymon77> the desktop cant be used for anything but widgets
[00:51] <coreymon77> no taskbar
[00:52] <coreymon77> i think they should tone that back a bit
[00:52] <CPrgmSwR2> I don't understand
[00:52] <coreymon77> currently, kde3 is much better
[00:52] <coreymon77> much stabler too
[00:52] <coreymon77> much much much stabler
[00:53] <CPrgmSwR2> I didn't find kde3 and more stable than kde4
[00:53] <coreymon77> kde3 is much more stable
[00:53] <CPrgmSwR2> did you try out kde 4.0 or kde 4.1?
[00:53] <coreymon77> both
[00:53] <CPrgmSwR2> odd
[00:53] <coreymon77> 4 is still at 4.1, 3 is at 3.9.10 or something like that
[00:53] <coreymon77> hence, much more stable
[00:54] <coreymon77> 4 is still buggy
[00:54] <extacy> Hello
[00:54] <coreymon77> but its all personal prefference
[00:55] <extacy> köhöm...hello :D
[00:55] <coreymon77> hi there
[00:55] <coreymon77> !hi
[00:55] <extacy> do you speak hungary? :P
[00:55] <coreymon77> nope
[00:55] <coreymon77> english
[00:55] <extacy> i litle speak english :(
[00:56] <extacy> no problem :D
[00:56] <extacy> but
[00:56] <extacy> i have a problem
[00:56] <extacy> in ubuntu
[00:56] <extacy> 8.04
[00:56] <pk> Hi what p2p recommend me? i'm super new and ares don't work me with wine; it says connecting...
[00:56] <extacy> my graphic card drivert cant install
[00:57] <coreymon77> pk: it all depends what network you want to use
[00:57] <extacy> ati radeon 9600
[00:57] <coreymon77> pk: personally, i just stick with bitorrent
[00:57] <coreymon77> !ati | extacy
[00:58] <extacy> őő...oke
[00:58] <extacy> ty
[00:58] <pk> but i can't download singles songs with bittorent i just use it for complete albums
[00:58] <extacy> i se
[00:58] <coreymon77> pk: well then look around on google, see what you can come up with
[00:59] <Dr_Willis_> you 'could' use it for single songs.. if you found a torrent search site that had trackers with them... :) but it depends on the details
[00:59] <Dr_Willis_> !p2p
[01:00] <extacy> pl write me how to 3d...őőő... desktop :D
[01:00] <extacy> pls*
[01:01] <extacy> i starter ubuntu, but i like this :)
[01:04] <Dr_willis> !compiz | extacy
[01:04] <Dr_willis> Install compiz, install the ccsm tool, enable compiz.. play with silly eyecandy.
[01:05] <extacy> in terminal?
[01:05] <Dr_willis> You will most likely need to use the terminal for some of this.. yes...
[01:05] <Dr_willis> be sure you got your 3d drivers installed for your video card first also.
[01:06] <extacy> no problem...i have 2 month a debian (wow server) and i have a command and etc :)
[01:06] <extacy> but
[01:06] <extacy> didnt all :D
[01:07] <Dr_willis> I normally follow the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[01:07] <extacy> i havent "desktop effect" :(
[01:07] <Dr_willis> its a little out of date in some places.. but good info.
[01:08] <Dr_willis> extacy,  thats beause you dont have the compiz stuff installed yet then.
[01:08] <extacy> oh
[01:08] <extacy> oke
[01:08] <extacy> :D
[01:08] <extacy> sudo apt-get install compiz ?
[01:08] <extacy> or compiz stuff?
[01:09] <Dr_willis> lookit --------------------->    the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[01:09] <extacy> oke
[01:09] <extacy> i reading
[01:09] <extacy> and translet... :S
[01:09] <Dr_willis> part of that guide is out of date.. i normally just do a
[01:09] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install  compiz compizconfig-settings-manager  compiz-kde compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra  emerald librsvg2-common
[01:10] <Dr_willis> of course you DO need to have your proper 3d video card drivers working befor compiz will work
[01:10] <extacy> oke
[01:12] <extacy> I see the "desktop effect"
[01:13] <extacy> but i cant see where config this :D
[01:14] <Dr_willis> I use the 'ccsm' tool for advanced settings - like the guide says
[01:14] <Dr_willis> further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:16] <extacy> i see in youtube the 3d cube, but i didnt understand, how have me :D
[01:18] <Dr_willis> You must enable the cube effect, and enable '4' desktops in the ccsm general tab.  to get it to look cubish
[01:26] <Dr_willis> its in the .wine directory somwhere
[01:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> dunno where that is either, heh
[01:26] <Dr_willis> like most .directorues they are in the users home directoru
[01:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> not in mine, there is no wine stuff
[01:26] <Dr_willis> run wine, it should auto make a .wine I belive.
[01:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> ive ran it many times
[01:27] <Dr_willis> try cd .wine
[01:27] <Dr_willis> note the . ?  its always made the directory here on every ubuntu release ive ever used.
[01:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde 4.0
[01:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> i want to go down to something less visty
[01:40] <gkffjcs> try either going up to 4.1 which is better than 4.0, or just log out, and select kde from session type, which should just log you into kde3.5
[01:40] <coreymon77> eamon: such as kde3
[01:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> are you serious..just choose kde3.5 option?
[01:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> will that break anything?
[01:42] <gkffjcs> when you log out, you get a log in screen? In this login screen you should have a "session" biutton
[01:42] <gkffjcs> click on it, and you should be able to select any desktop you have.
[01:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'll try it
[01:42] <coreymon77>  /facepalm
[01:42] <gkffjcs> if you don't have a kde3 option, then you need to install it, kde3 and 4 can be togather on the same machine at the same time, and it wont hurt anything
[01:43] <bmwerks> oo[';/
[01:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> i only have default/ kde 4/ failsafe
[01:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> no kde3.5 option [default is kde 4]
[01:44] <jaakkome> did you try "default" ?
[01:44] <gkffjcs> ok, you need it install kde3
[01:44] <jaakkome> :]
[01:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i do that?
[01:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> isn't 3.5 better?
[01:44] <gkffjcs> you can do it with "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:44] <eamon> if i add another hdd to my ubuntu machine how to i format it?
[01:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> wel, gkffjcs will installing kde 3 take alot of space up?
[01:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> i only have 47 GB
[01:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> which i need
[01:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[01:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> 47gb free*
[01:46] <eamon> anyone
[01:46] <gkffjcs> it will take some space, probabily about a hundred megabites maybe less or more, not sure, but you have enough, don't worry
[01:47] <gkffjcs> you have enought, install it
[01:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> 373MB used, but ok
[01:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> linux knows how to voerwrite yes?..mostof this i have already
[01:48] <gkffjcs> you have 47 gb free? yes, you have space, 373 MB is only about a quarter gig
[01:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> i know
[01:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> but i am the type of person that usually ends up with 4-6MBleft when i need to install a 3GB file
[01:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> now that i have new OS, i want to closely managwe that
[01:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> don't want soo much useless stuff
[01:49] <gkffjcs> voerwrite?
[01:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> typo
[01:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> i flip letters alot
[01:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> toher, ehre, teh, etc etc
[01:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't see it really untill i take another look or someone says something
[01:51] <gkffjcs> ic
[01:51] <coreymon77> trust me, i have a 20gb for linux and i still have plenty of space left
[01:51] <coreymon77> even with tons of useless stuff on it
[01:51] <coreymon77> linux is much more space efficient that doze is
[01:51] <gkffjcs> you really don't have anything to worry about
[01:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> i know, but every little bit adds up is what i am saying
[01:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have an 74Gb parittion, its not [less than 24 hours later] down to 47GB
[01:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> now*
[01:53] <gkffjcs> suite your self! you want kde3 install it othere wise don't, it's your computer, what ever floats your boat
[01:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm already installing it
[01:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> but it doesn't appear to be installing kde3
[01:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> its jsut installing everything i aslready have over
[01:54] <eamon> gkffjcs do you know how to format a hdd for ubuntu
[01:54] <eamon> i want to add another hdd to my ubuntu machine
[01:54] <gkffjcs> install gedit, it's the easiest
[01:54] <gkffjcs> sudo apt-get install gedit
[01:55] <gkffjcs> it's a gnome app, but it's the best disk manager i've used
[01:55] <gkffjcs> it's not
[01:55] <gkffjcs> Sixofour|Sleep: it will never install the same thing twice, it might be kde 3 versions of the same kde4 apps, but there not the same
[01:59]  * Dr_willis wakes up
[01:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> it installed kde4
[01:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> its asking for the default desktop manager, kdm or kdm-kde4?
[01:59] <Dr_willis> gkffjcs,  you mean 'gparted' not gedit?
[01:59] <darwin_> I've got a 15gb / partition and a 385GB /home partition
[01:59] <gkffjcs> yeah, I corrected that, he private channeld me
[01:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:59] <gkffjcs> for some reason
[01:59]  * Dr_willis had to run to the store.
[01:59] <Dr_willis> Sixofour|Sleep,  its your machine.. use what one you want.
[01:59] <gkffjcs> select kdm
[01:59] <Dr_willis> you can always change it back later
[01:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't know what they are
[01:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[01:59] <gkffjcs> kdm is kd3
[02:00] <Dr_willis> in such cases.. you may want to stick to the defaults then
[02:00] <gkffjcs> kdm-kde4 is kde4
[02:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh, no one said that before
[02:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok
[02:00] <Dr_willis> the name kdm-kde4   seems to be a big clue. :)
[02:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> kdm could be anything
[02:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde 0.4
[02:01] <Dr_willis> That wouldent make much sence once you think about it...
[02:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[02:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> alot of stuff about linux doesn't make much sense
[02:01] <Dr_willis> Since you have 2 versions of kde installed..
[02:01] <Dr_willis> Sixofour|Sleep,  actually it DOES once you stop and 'think'
[02:01] <gkffjcs> Sixofour|Sleep: kdm is the login manager, it's where you enter your user name and password
[02:01] <erick> samsamsam
[02:01] <erick> hi
[02:01] <darwin_> it's more than that gkffjcs
[02:01] <erick> im member of gnusal
[02:02] <erick> XD
[02:03] <gkffjcs> darwin_: I know it's more than that, but that doesn't matter in this scope
[02:03] <darwin_> ok
[02:04] <jaakkome> When I try to make amarok (xine engine) use alsa as its output plugin, it won't initialize... I went through the troubleshooting in the alsa wiki but everything seemed to be fine
[02:04] <jaakkome> where should I look next?
[02:05] <jaakkome> it has worked earlier, but then I <something something> and now all has turned sour :-(
[02:06] <Dr_willis> all other sound works. except for xine/amarok?
[02:06] <jaakkome> xine works with oss, wine works with alsa driver
[02:07] <jaakkome> but I'd sorta like to listen to music and sound effects from a windows game at the same time
[02:10] <Dr_willis> well mixxing sound from 2 apps  is one issue.. no sound at all from an app.. is another issue.
[02:10] <Dr_willis> adding wine into the mix.. adds a 3rd  issue. :) so i got no idea where to even start..
[02:10] <jaakkome> mmh, well, I figured I should start with the alsa bit
[02:11] <jaakkome> as alsa should support software mixing while oss does not
[02:12] <jaakkome> and I figured it would be good karma to have all apps use alsa if they support it
[02:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> WOW
[02:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde2.5 runs like windows 3.1 would on a 500ghz system
[02:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> 3.5*
[02:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> nice
[02:22] <DreadKnight> :-)
[02:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> firefox is still being a prostitute though
[02:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> stupid profile crap
[02:23] <naivetylost> Can anyone explain to me why Rhytmbox recognizes and imports my entire music library, while Amarok, Banshee, and Songbird will only import about half?
[02:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> its the evil DRM
[02:23] <[pyro]> hehe
[02:23] <DreadKnight> codecs perhaps?
[02:23] <naivetylost> ??? I don't think so, Jamendo downloads represent the majority of my music files
[02:25] <naivetylost> i'll have to look into the codecs, but i believe all are .mp3 files, which i thought all 4 media players were compatible with. But regardless, would it be correct to assume this isn't a common problem?
[02:25] <Dr_willis> sounds like a weird issue.
[02:25] <naivetylost> does amarok have it's own channel?
[02:25] <eamon> how do i view someones web cam if im using pidgin
[02:25] <Dr_willis> be interesting to see/compare 2 files  one that works and one that dosent.
[02:26] <DreadKnight> eamon: you can't
[02:26] <eamon> ok
[02:26] <DreadKnight> eamon: you would rather use an old kopete, or.. skype
[02:27] <DreadKnight> pidgin will rather get deprecated until it gets the basic features for our current times
[02:27] <eamon> can you login using msn accouts with either of those
[02:28]  * Dr_willis finds it werd that people want to 'video chat' on a  TEXT/IM client.. but then want to Text/IM on their cell phones.
[02:28] <DreadKnight> eamon: yes; you might also try amsn, but not sure if it supports webcams, give it a try... heh
[02:28] <Dr_willis> webcams add soooo much to the conversation. :)
[02:28] <naivetylost> On another topic, can anyone suggest the netbook most compatible with kubuntu?
[02:28] <Dr_willis> naivetylost,  i saw an add for one today that came with kubuntu/ubuntu
[02:28] <flaccid> Dr_willis: can you link me, i've never seen a kubuntu book?
[02:28] <orgthingy_> Konversation looks like a nice client
[02:29] <orgthingy_> :D
[02:29] <DreadKnight> any tablet pc's (laptops) that come with kubuntu as well? xD
[02:29] <Dr_willis> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002GO60M/distrowatch-20
[02:29] <eamon> do you know any good places to download koptet or skype
[02:29] <Dr_willis> just saw the banner ad at disrtowatch.com web site
[02:29] <Dr_willis> its 'not avail' yet. however.
[02:29] <DreadKnight> eamon: www.skype.com
[02:29] <naivetylost> Dr Willis that may have been dell's upcoming, but it's keyboard is odd...no f1-12 keys, and no fn+ alternatives for them
[02:29] <Dr_willis> BUT it does seem cool that tehres gettting to be so many different netbooks out.
[02:29] <flaccid> Dr_willis: what was it called
[02:29] <DreadKnight> eamon: get the one for ubuntu xD
[02:29] <naivetylost> inspiron 910 i believe
[02:29] <Dr_willis> Sylvania GNET28001SN Meso 8.9" Netbook PC (1.6 GHz Intel Atom Processor, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB Hard Drive, Ubuntu OS) White $450
[02:30] <naivetylost> however i think Sylvania's latest crap-fest was the first to launch with netbook remix
[02:30] <Dr_willis> the fact it has a 80gb hd... is.. interesting
[02:30] <flaccid> oh you guys mean hardware
[02:30] <flaccid> these netbooks are really sub-notebooks
[02:30] <Dr_willis> but i will wait a year or so befor i ge tone. I just got  a new laptop
[02:30] <DreadKnight> i wonder when does netbook remix gets launched
[02:31] <DreadKnight> i wished it was using kubuntu / kde / qt, not gnome/gtk
[02:31] <Dr_willis> I want a netbook with dvi output.. and a  way to dock it behind the monitor. :) so the wife can have a uber-micro pc.
[02:31] <naivetylost> not quite, subs still come with media drives quite often, and standard intel chips. Netbooks have not media drives, and low pwered chips
[02:31] <naivetylost> Dr Willis what about the eee desktop?
[02:32] <Dr_willis> the wife takes the 22 inch monitors and sets the screen to be 1024x768 res. so she can play solitare with out her glasses... :)
[02:33] <flaccid> a hard disk or flash disk is a media driver
[02:33] <flaccid> err drive
[02:33] <naivetylost> DreadKnight you can download the packages now as an add-on to the the standard ubuntu install, but i think it's mainly designed for OEMs, i don't think their will be an official after market launch...but i've been wrong b4 :)
[02:33] <flaccid> all of them have card readers anyway
[02:34] <naivetylost> flaccid sorry i was refering to cd/dvd/blue-ray, my fault for incorect terminology ^_^
[02:34] <Dr_willis> naivetylost,  i dont think they have dvi out.. (yet?)  wonder when pcs will start getting hdmi outs. not seen one of those yet.
[02:34] <Dr_willis> all she does is web surf/play solitare
[02:35] <flaccid> naivetylost: all good. seems like netbook is more a term intel made to differentiate them from sub-notebook and look good
[02:35] <DreadKnight> naivetylost: yeah, you're right; remember there was a PPA with the packages... oh well, the 'one window at a time feature' was lame with gimp etc
[02:36] <flaccid> Dr_willis: you can buy video cards with hdmi no problem. the video component in hdmi is identical to dvi-d
[02:37] <naivetylost> i really wish the other manufacturers (not including dell) would be more apt to play ball with linux distros, my old note book broke, and finding a reasonably priced/spec notebook is difficult enough without worrying about compatability
[02:39] <flaccid> yeah it still sux. i recommend people who care about that to take a kubuntu live cd out to the shops and ask the retailer if a test can be done with it. ie. won't buy notebook unless all the hardware is compat
[02:39] <naivetylost> flaccid i hadn't even considered that....do they often allow it?  I can't imagine Circuit City being to keen on that...
[02:40] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  ive proberly have4nt noticed them then. :) seeing the new tv's all seem to have 2+ hdmi inputs now.
[02:40] <flaccid> if they don't, they shouldn't get the business
[02:40] <naivetylost> :( the amarok channel holds a strong resemblence to an echo chamber...
[02:40] <jujoto> que??
[02:40] <flaccid> Dr_willis: yeah i got a 9600gt with 1x hdmi and 1x dvi, its pretty good
[02:40] <Dr_willis> Best buy here in town dident matter.. but i did chat with the Store guy a while.
[02:40] <Dr_willis> He even had been testing linux on the laptops. :)
[02:41] <Dr_willis> so to be 'extra' safe we uses his live cd's
[02:41] <Dr_willis> Does it seem the cost of these hdmi cables and hdmi/dvi adaptors are... way out there?
[02:41] <Dr_willis> Or is it just the local stores with a huge markup?
[02:42] <naivetylost> Just out of curiosity to the g4 macbooks run ubuntu?  i like the look, but i don't really enjoy osx...
[02:42]  * Dr_willis doseent enjoy the price. :)
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> no reason they shouldn't, but 7.04 was the last officially supported ppc release
[02:43] <flaccid> Dr_willis: have a look at the number of conductors and complexity of the connector with hdmi. its mostly justified. hdmi cable and connectors is not cheap
[02:43] <flaccid> naivetylost: ppc version can be installed but ppc is being discontinued iirc
[02:43] <flaccid> ah
[02:43] <Dr_willis> but still.. tigerdirect  is like $25 for the cheapest cable. :)   but i dont need any yet.
[02:44] <naivetylost> That wouldn't be too bad, i'm just looking for something to tote about town with me, but even the MSI Winds 10 in. screen would get a bit annoying after a while
[02:44] <Dr_willis> 23 ft hdmi cable = $100 - wowsers..  thats a lot of cable. :)
[02:45] <Dr_willis> does hdmi handle the sound also? I thought i read that once somewhere...
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> it does
[02:46] <flaccid> totally. this is why there are so many conductors. its all hd. you can read about it on wikipedia which has a diagram as well. and we better get back on topic :O
[02:46] <Dr_willis> Just wondered how a PC hdmi cable can do sound from the sound card.. or would it only be used for sound from  things like DVD players.. :)
[02:47] <flaccid> it would need to go into a card that splits up to the audio and video. think of it like a dvi and dolby digital in one
[02:47] <darwin_> you need one of those DVI+audio to HDMI cables
[02:48] <flaccid> i havnt seen such hybrid cards in computers yet but im sure something would be out there
[02:48] <Dr_willis> Yep.. its one of those 'the future will be cool' if they dont screw it up things. :)
[02:49] <flaccid> pretty much
[02:49] <Dr_willis> Im still waiting for these 'wireless usb hubs you connect the scanner to' things to get common.
[02:49] <darwin_> it'll be DRMed out of existance
[02:49] <Dr_willis> I want to move the printer/scanner/stuff to the far side of the room
[02:49] <jhutchins> You can get cables that are hdmi on one end and split out components on the other.
[02:50] <flaccid> well you can get those, otherwise make a crappy print server heh
[02:50] <flaccid> yeah but splitting components isn't the same as a hybrid hd multimedia card :O
[02:50] <darwin_> just get a wifi printer/scanner/copier
[02:50] <Dr_willis> I saw a 'networked' usb hub the other day.. (windows only) that had potential. :)
[02:50] <Dr_willis> darwin_,  i got enough printer/scanners as it is. :)  I just need  them to be 'over there' out of the way..
[02:52] <Dr_willis> the wife buys more printers/scanners for her photo work - then i do. :)
[02:52] <flaccid> lets get back on topic
[02:53] <darwin_> kubuntu rocks!
[02:53] <darwin_> is that enough on topic?
[02:53] <Dr_willis> we need to get back to showing peole how to use the CRITICAL cube features! :)
[02:53] <Dr_willis> Cubebuntu!
[02:54] <flaccid> darwin_: not really, its kubuntu support here, rest goes in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[02:54] <Agent_bob> CRITICAL cube features ?
[02:54] <darwin_> anyone know how to change the number of desktops by config file?
[02:54] <flaccid> you guys can talk about that in the above channel
[02:54] <Dr_willis> Linux is all about the Cube man!  :) or so it seems some days in here.
[02:54] <Morydd> since I upgraded to kde4 version of Kate, I'm not able to "open with" kate.
[02:55] <Morydd> KDEInit could not launch 'kate'.: Could not find 'kate' executable
[02:56] <Dr_willis> try kate<tab> in a terminal? perhaps its kate-kde4 ?
[02:56] <flaccid> Morydd: thats because kde4 is installed somwhere else and not in the path of kde3
[02:56] <flaccid> Morydd: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate
[02:56] <Agent_bob> or find /usr -iname '*kate*'
[02:59]  * genii puts on a pot of coffee
[02:59]  * flaccid does the same
[02:59] <genii> flaccid: Heya :)
[03:00] <flaccid> howdy
[03:00] <extacy> hi mands :)
[03:01] <extacy> -d
[03:01] <Agent_bob> men'z  ?
[03:04]  * genii pours coffee for the support crew
[03:04] <extacy> valaki magyar? :D
[03:04] <extacy> some man hungary? :D
[03:07] <Agent_bob> !hu
[03:25] <darwin_> yay! i successfully got compiz working!
[03:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok, so TFC works fine
[03:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have a feeling hl2 based games may work fine also
[03:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> this is kubuntu channel isn't it?
[03:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> oops
[03:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> although, i do have a question: [22:35:56] An error occured when trying to record the sound : Could not gain access to /dev/dsp for writing.
[03:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> Whats the problem there?
[03:36] <flaccid> sounds like a process has a lock on your sound device
[03:37] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp
[03:37] <Agent_bob> Sixofour|Sleep use alsa
[03:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> this is for aMSN
[03:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> to send voice
[03:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> i can;'t tell it what to use [i think]
[03:39] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: so what did the above command say?
[03:45] <Thiago2008> alguem quer tc?
[03:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> that command did nothing
[03:48] <flaccid> then that means nothing is locking /dev/dsp. problem could be that amsn is gtk so it does play nice with kde sounds system
[03:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> it does play nice?
[03:48] <flaccid> you could kill arts and/or restart alsa
[03:50] <Agent_bob> ls -l /dev/dsp
[03:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-08-27 21:04 /dev/dsp
[03:54] <eamon> how do i add anaother user to ubuntu
[03:54] <flaccid> eamon: user management in system settings
[03:54] <holycow> hi guys
[03:54] <holycow> does an education listing in the repos still exist?
[03:54] <holycow> synaptic seems to think no ... what happened to it if its not there?
[03:56] <flaccid> holycow: there is still an Edutainment in my add/remove programs which is adept not synaptic
[03:56] <holycow> oh!!!!!
[03:56] <holycow> danke sir!
[03:57] <flaccid> np
[03:58] <Agent_bob> Sixofour|Sleep and you are in audio group ?
[04:00] <holycow> this is a silly thing to notice but i like how the system tray works in kde4
[04:00] <holycow> it seems more consistent for some reason
[04:00] <holycow> maybe because i've been on gnome for so long
[04:01] <Agent_bob> consistent?
[04:01] <holycow> icons appear in the tray and stick
[04:01] <holycow> they don't move around randomly
[04:01] <holycow> i'm not sure if i have other observations ... the gnome one always felt like jello
[04:02] <holycow> this would move around for no reason
[04:02] <flaccid> !enter | holycow
[04:02] <flaccid> kde4 and gnome are offtopic here too :)
[04:02] <holycow> i'm bounced back here from kde4 .. *hmm* let me check
[04:02] <holycow> #kde4 #kde Forwarding to another channel
[04:02] <holycow> weird, do you know what that might be?
[04:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there a program that can open a directory, and make a slider shot of all the images in the directory, ANd use all the images from all the subdirectories?
[04:03] <Salsaguy> I have a kubuntu computer, a windows computer and a switch provided by my ISP and I'd them to all play nice.
[04:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> slide show*
[04:03] <flaccid> holycow: a simply redirect
[04:03] <holycow> oh lol sorry haha
[04:03] <holycow> wrong channel, i thought i ws in #kde
[04:03] <holycow> heh
[04:03] <holycow> appologies
[04:03] <flaccid> holycow: stop using enter. respond on 1 line please
[04:03] <holycow> i'm using enter as i please.  feel free to use your ban stick.
[04:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol?
[04:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> !ops
[04:04] <flaccid> please don't abuse the ops trigger
[04:04] <flaccid> holycow: im asking you nicely :)
[04:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats the first time ive used it
[04:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> also, any dieas about my Q?
[04:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> ideas*
[04:05] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: yes i gave you one a few minutes ago
[04:05] <holycow> flaccid: and you should know enough of me to know i wont listen to really dumb requests
[04:05] <holycow> i will acknowledge you asked nicely
[04:05] <eamon> how do i get a list of other chat rooms
[04:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> youve onl;y posted 2 times after my question, both were to him
[04:05] <flaccid> holycow: these are not dumb requests, there are quite valid
[04:05] <flaccid> eamon: /list
[04:05] <holycow> i refuse to follow silly ubuntu ops rules that don't make any sense.
[04:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> its the rules to not talk with onelineras
[04:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> oneliners*
[04:05] <stdin> then we can refuse to help, holycow
[04:06] <holycow> well then, i guess the ops have their choices
[04:06] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: [12:49] <flaccid> you could kill arts and/or restart alsa
[04:06] <holycow> they know i will never cowtow to nonsense
[04:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> flaccid: Sixofour|Sleep>	is there a program that can open a directory, and make a slider shot of all the images in the directory, ANd use all the images from all the subdirectories?
[04:06] <flaccid> holycow: try thinking from other people's pont of views and not just your own :)
[04:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> slidershow*
[04:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> slide*
[04:07] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: someone will respond if they can help. dont' expect an answer to every question :)
[04:07] <holycow> flaccid: while you are still reasonable, take this piece of advice
[04:07] <holycow> forget all that ubuntu op nonsense
[04:07] <holycow> its a desease not a culture
[04:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol?
[04:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> stop trolling.
[04:07] <flaccid> holycow: please leave unless you are here to help with kubuntu questions or ask them
[04:07] <stdin> Sixofour|Sleep: ignore him
[04:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> ubuntu is actualy an operating system, not a culture or diaease
[04:08] <holycow> ah no? stop talking to me and i won't have anything to say to you.  the conversation started accidentally
[04:08] <flaccid> lets keep on topic and simply ignore this cow
[04:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> stdin duely noted
[04:08] <Salsaguy> I have a kubuntu computer, a windows computer and a switch provided by my ISP and I'd like them to all play nice. Is there a good guide for this?
[04:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> a "switch"
[04:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> ?
[04:08] <flaccid> Salsaguy: no need to repeat. they should all play nice out of the box unless your isp has special requirements
[04:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm on the same network as windows XP machiens..i work fine
[04:09] <Salsaguy> Flaccid: I can access my windows share from the kubuntu box, but not the kubuntu share from the windows box
[04:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> windows doesn't know what unix is
[04:09] <Agent_bob> Salsaguy samba ?
[04:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> unix knows what windows is
[04:09] <flaccid> !samba | Salsaguy ok thats because samba is not installed out of the box
[04:10] <flaccid> ie. out of box is samba client, but you need to install the server
[04:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> also Salsaguy , you can use the kubuntu to add or remove files from the xp box
 windows doesn't know <<< so true....
[04:12] <flaccid> thats a negative. look up interix :)
[04:12] <Agent_bob> Sixofour|Sleep btw linux is linus is not unix
[04:13] <Salsaguy> thanks for the links ubottu, I'll try 'em out
[04:13] <Agent_bob> linus   oops  typo
[04:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> oops
[04:13] <flaccid> linux is a unix derivative :p
[04:13] <Agent_bob> no.  linux is a kernel
[04:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> hey agent bob, do you know of a good slideshow program not the one with kde?
[04:13] <flaccid> derived from unix
[04:13] <Agent_bob> Sixofour|Sleep oo present maybe
[04:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> oo present?
[04:14] <Dhraakellian> does kubuntu have an LVM config GUI?
[04:14] <Agent_bob> !oo
[04:14] <flaccid> !lvm | Dhraakellian
[04:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> gooy
[04:14] <flaccid> not sure if there is gui
[04:14] <Agent_bob> !oo.org
[04:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[04:14] <Agent_bob> dumb bot
[04:15] <Dhraakellian> RaidConfigurationHowto apparently doesn't exist
[04:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh.
[04:16] <Dhraakellian> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpLVM-WithoutACleanInstall
[04:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> !openoffice
[04:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> is that is bob?
[04:17] <Agent_bob> ubottu oo is Open Office is a free office suite see !openoffice
[04:17] <flaccid> Dhraakellian: true. i can't find much either but: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=raid&titlesearch=Titles
[04:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> go-oo.org?
[04:18] <Pici> !oo is <alias> openoffice
[04:18] <Agent_bob> thanks pici
[04:18] <Dhraakellian> flaccid: not interested in RAID, just LVM, and the link I posted appears to be the non-RAID lvm page
[04:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install openoffice?
[04:18] <Agent_bob> sure if it's not installed already
[04:19] <mr---t-> they also have a site
[04:19] <Agent_bob> and a channel
[04:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> no package named openoffice :(
[04:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> no oo either
[04:20] <Dhraakellian> apt-cache search openoffice
[04:20] <Agent_bob> .org   ^
[04:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> 5873 results
[04:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> ...
[04:22] <Agent_bob> Sixofour|Sleep alias q='apt-cache -n search' ;q openoffice.org
[04:24] <Agent_bob> q "any package name or part thereof"
[04:24] <flaccid> Dhraakellian: sorry got you mixed up with someone else. let me have a look one sec
[04:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> why did i get openoffice?
[04:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> its a text editor..not a slideshow
[04:25] <Dhraakellian> flaccid: of course, a friend on another network says, "who uses a gui for lvm anyway?"
[04:25] <flaccid> ive never seen one
[04:25] <Agent_bob> Sixofour|Sleep cause you wanted to make a presentation maybe...  idk.
[04:25] <Dhraakellian> flaccid: system-config-lvm on Fedora, probably something less pretty in YaST...
[04:26] <mr---t-> Sixofour|Sleep:  it's not just a text editor
[04:26] <flaccid> Dhraakellian: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=216117
[04:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> nah, i need somethign to take images from a directory and its subdirecotries and make a slide show
[04:26] <Dhraakellian> plus stuff in various distros' installers
[04:26] <Dhraakellian> flaccid: found it already
[04:26] <flaccid> well i guess its because ubuntu doesn't use lvm
[04:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde slideshow thing only uses images from the current directory
[04:26] <Dhraakellian> mine does, since I set it up from the alternate install Cd
[04:27]  * Agent_bob thought lvm was standard
[04:27] <flaccid> you can do lvm in ubuntu from the repos but its not used in the installers out of box
[04:27] <Dhraakellian> but I basically end up figuring out lvm cli tools again each time I use them, so I was just curious if Kubuntu shipped a GUI
[04:28] <Dhraakellian> yarr.  My friend suggests NIH (to which I responded (tongue-in-cheek) that Fedora should use YaST)
[04:28] <mr---t-> o.o presentation maybe?
[04:28] <Dhraakellian> but that's dangerously close to veering off topic
[04:29] <flaccid> i couldn't find one in the repos
[04:30] <Dhraakellian> has anyone here had any success running EAC in wine in (k)ubuntu 8.04?
[04:30] <Agent_bob> anyone know a source of/for mencoder script ?
[04:32] <emannuel> hi there
[04:34] <Agent_bob> !mencoder
[04:34] <Agent_bob> !info mencoder
[04:37] <Agent_bob> kino on import is asking please choose a standared opetions are pal and ntsc    why is it asking that ?
[04:43] <marcelo> algum brasileiro?
[04:44] <Agent_bob> !br
[04:53] <Agent_bob> Q. computer dvd drive, are they region specific ?
[05:01] <Agent_bob> yakuake has a gui to change it's hotkeys.  but it won't accept winkey as an hotkey    why?
[05:01]  * Agent_bob will ask a question some time that someone will answer...
[05:04] <holycow> Agent_bob: pal is eu and ntsc is north american
[05:04] <holycow> they have different frame rates
[05:04] <holycow> if you don't export to the right format it will playback funny on the other peoples dvd's if it plays at all
[05:05] <Agent_bob> what other peoples ???
[05:05] <holycow> in that case klicky away
[05:08] <handoyo_> test
[05:08] <Agent_bob> why is it assumed that if anyone does anything with .vob vidio avi multimedia .* that they want to "put it on dvd"    i have no intention of ever putting anything on dvd for use in a "dvd player"  i'm only interested in putting a few vidio files on computer for ease access, and editing a few for personal use.   </rant>
[05:08] <holycow> uh
[05:08] <holycow> lol
[05:08] <holycow> you've not done this much, have you?
[05:08] <holycow> google what a .vob is
[05:09] <Agent_bob> holycow not much is still an overstatement.
[05:09] <Agent_bob> holycow .vob is a file extention
[05:09] <holycow> if you were to put a normal dvd in your system and browse the files you would see there is a file hierarchy
[05:09] <holycow> .vob files are part of the dvd output
[05:10] <Agent_bob> .vob is a file name extention
[05:10] <Agent_bob> mpeg is the format
[05:11] <holycow> thats fine
[05:11] <holycow> its designed to be packed in a dvd
[05:12] <holycow> not played standalone
[05:12] <holycow> if you want to render to a playable format choose something else
[05:12] <holycow> like ffmpeg
[05:12] <Agent_bob> designed for holds no interest to me
[05:12] <holycow> clearly
[05:13] <Agent_bob> the mpeg format is quite playable btw
[05:14] <Agent_bob> i just don't see why kino was asking me to select either  ntsc or pal  formats for an import.
[05:16] <Agent_bob> holycow don't get me wrong, i know mpeg is not free and would rather use ogm personally
[05:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> with restricted extras..mpg is free
[05:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> btw, can anyone use gmail.com with konwueror?
[05:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> mail.google.com*
[05:35] <_2> heh no.  you can't make a format free but adding support
[05:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> it says a script is slowing everything down..and everything is slowing down
[05:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> _2 sure you can, if you hold no reguard for what ever the law says about that format
[05:35] <_2> no
[05:35] <_2> !free
[05:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> gratis > libre
[05:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[05:36] <red_team316> anyone know how to start a chrooted X whilin Xnest or Xephyr, I cant get it to work
[05:36] <_2> ignoring a law does not negate said law.
[05:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> anyways, this mail.google.com script thingy?
[05:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> of course
[05:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> but that doesn't mean it has to be relevent to me
[05:37] <_2> every criminal ever executed ignored a law.
[05:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> i doubt i will be executed for using mpg on linux
[05:37] <_2> red_team316 can you start a shell within the chroot ?
[05:37] <red_team316> yes
[05:38] <_2> red_team316 tried startx within that shell to see what it said ?
[05:38] <red_team316> I can start my host X from another DISPLAY just fine, just not with the chroot environment
[05:39] <drhe|skt> im runnung ubuntu hardy right now. what is the difference with kubuntu?
[05:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> KDe
[05:39] <_2> default de
[05:39] <red_team316> Xephyr -ac -screen 800x600 :2 & export DISPLAY=:2; /usr/bin/startkde   <--- that works fine as long as I set my DISPLAY back to :0 after exiting the Xeypher.
[05:39] <red_team316> With Xnest, I just do:   startx /usr/bin/startkde -- /usr/X11R6/bin/Xnest -ac :2 -geometry 1280X1024+0+0 -name Reconstructor_3_Xnest
[05:39] <drhe|skt> what is KDe?
[05:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> KDE is the best desktop environment around
[05:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kde
[05:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> install it and see, its 373MB
[05:40] <red_team316> KDE = best :)
[05:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> logout after install and click options->session->KDe3.5
[05:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> or KDM
[05:41] <_2> !start a desktop war
[05:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> i think its KDM
[05:41] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep kde
[05:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> its KDM forme
[05:41] <_2> *dm is display manager   "the login thingy"
[05:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> er
[05:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> yeah
[05:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> iforgot what its called
[05:42] <drhe|skt> can i install kubuntu from ubuntu hardy???
[05:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> i hade kde 4.0 and 3.5
[05:42] <red_team316> _2 startx -- :2 within the chroot shell starts it in fullscreen. What I want is it in the Xnest/Xephyr window
[05:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> you can get kde right now
[05:42] <drhe|skt> from terminal? ok.
[05:42] <_2> drhe|skt do you read what people say in here ?
[05:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> do: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:43] <_2> !kde | drhe|skt one more time.
[05:43] <drhe|skt> cool
[05:43] <drhe|skt> im getting it
[05:43] <drhe|skt> i thinking right after it downloads it and installs it. i can reboot and choose the
[05:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> !free | Sixofour|Sleep doesn't get it so i will explain
[05:43] <drhe|skt> KDE version.
[05:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> heh, funny
[05:43] <_2> red_team316 ok. that's out of my league. maybe someone else can.
[05:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> don't reboot, just logut
[05:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> logout*
[05:44] <drhe|skt> ah ok.
[05:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> well,you can reboot if ya want
[05:44] <drhe|skt> am i going to tell much difference?
[05:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> but you only need to logout
[05:44] <red_team316> dang :P thanks for trying to help though :)
[05:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> between ubuntu and kde?..yeah
[05:44] <Chris1231123441> Hi, I have a quick question about VMWare. Would someone help me?
[05:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> !ask
[05:44] <Chris1231123441> lol srry
[05:45] <drhe|skt> hey guys. thanks alot.! you guys are the best. i am loving Ubuntu! cant wait to see what this KDe Kubuntu is about.
[05:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> its typicall KDE not KDe..heh
[05:45] <drhe|skt> oh. heh.
[05:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> typicallty*
[05:45] <Chris1231123441> Linux games seem to be slower than windows games (to me anyways). If I installed Vmware, would it be slowed down by both the windows OS and the linux OS?
[05:46] <_2> red_team316 yeah welcome.    i've actually never messed with Xnest/Xephyr so i'd only be guessing there.    glwit
[05:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> WMWare = ?
[05:46] <Chris1231123441> Vmware, srry?
[05:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> vmware = ?
[05:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> isn't that the lucas arts thing for older games?
[05:46] <Chris1231123441> its a virtual system, isnt it?
[05:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> or am i wrong?
[05:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> !vmware
[05:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> is that it?
[05:47] <Chris1231123441> yes
[05:47] <_2> that's it
[05:47] <red_team316> _2 Xephyr appears to be alot nicer than Xnest as sometimes Xnest screen isn't antialiased(or whatever) as well as Xephyr.
[05:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> heh
[05:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> gaming on linux is easy, just get wine, then you can get best of both worlds
[05:47] <_2> red_team316 i'll make a note on that.
[05:47] <Chris1231123441> Wine seems to have alot of bugs
[05:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> win games [msotly] and of course linux stuff
[05:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> not really, its a little slow, but meh
[05:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> what are you trying to run?
[05:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> bugs are dependant on the game you try to run
[05:48] <Chris1231123441> Dungeon keeper, starcraft, and unreal tournament
[05:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> all those run
[05:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> starcraft is in the top 25
[05:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[05:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> unreal tournment has a native linux build
[05:48] <_2> !ut
[05:49] <Chris1231123441> really? when I tried dudgen keeper the cursor kept getting messed up (mind you that was a bit ago)
[05:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> dungeon keeper is a dos game iirc
[05:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> wine recently had a big update
[05:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> id try again
[05:49] <red_team316> !ut3
[05:49] <Chris1231123441> kk i'll try it again
[05:49] <Chris1231123441> thanks
[05:49] <red_team316> hmm :/
[05:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> !starcraft
[05:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> worth a shot, heh
[05:49] <Chris1231123441> and thx, I though unreal tournament was only commercial
[05:50] <_2> !games
[05:50] <Chris1231123441> sweet thx
[05:50] <red_team316> !weather
[05:50] <red_team316> lol!
[05:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> ut is comercial, doesn't meant they can't have a linux based app
[05:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> there are some comercial apps that are linux only too
[05:50] <Chris1231123441> so would that mean I would need an installation code for it?
[05:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> cedega for instance
[05:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> since when did ut need an install code?
[05:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't even think ut3 needs a cd key
[05:51] <Chris1231123441> im not sure if it does, so it costs money to download, then?
[05:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> ut certainly doesn't
[05:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> ut, probably
[05:51] <red_team316> no, but apparently you need an internet connx
[05:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm not sure, actually, lol, read the link
[05:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> !ut
[05:52] <red_team316> or else it wont save your progress properly :/
[05:52] <Chris1231123441> kk thx
[05:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, i only used ut to play old unreal map packs and mods
[05:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[05:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> old skool amp'd
[05:53]  * _2 doesn't trust/use anything that has to have inet access to function properly. 
[05:54] <_2> including windows
[05:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> you mean linux?
[05:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> no apt-get = broken instal;l
[05:54] <_2> not here it doesn't
[05:54] <_2> dapper drake 6.6
[05:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, no apt-get means you can maby write word documents, but thats about it
[05:55] <_2> apt doesn't have to have inet to work.
[05:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> anythign else usually requires stuff that doesn't come with the distro
[05:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> then how do you get files you don't have without the net?
[05:55] <_2> i have them.
[05:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> you have every single linux package on your hd?
[05:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> anything you can get from apt-get
[05:56] <_2> not every.   most.  and not hdd but cd's
[05:56] <_2> about 7 cdroms full
[05:56] <red_team316> awesome
[05:57] <_2> there is actually about 10 but i don't have them all.
[05:57] <red_team316> ...I mean, make them into a DVD :p
[05:57] <_2> into three dvd's ?
[05:57] <red_team316> or 1 bluray :)
[05:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm suprised phsyical media still exists
[05:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> blueray ew
[05:58] <red_team316> whats wrong with blueray
[05:58] <_2> drm
[05:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> its iPhone + Vista on a cd
[05:58] <red_team316> um, i mean for data
[05:58] <red_team316> i agree, screw drm
[05:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> drm
[05:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> drm at the cost of stability
[05:59] <red_team316> are you saying you cannot write data to a bluray disc without drm being included?
[05:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> bleuray is ruined by a peice fo dust
[05:59] <red_team316> doesnt make sense
[05:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> they make writeable blueray disks? lol
[06:00] <red_team316> yes, and burners lol
[06:00] <red_team316> I dont own one but will get one once the price is right
[06:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> dvd is still too much to be worth buying
[06:00] <eamon> if i add another hdd to my ubuntu comp do i need to format it in some way?
[06:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> id rather rapidshare my shit
[06:01] <red_team316> man, a dvd burner is practically the same cost as a cd burner. why not
[06:01] <_2> eamon format it in same way ???  what do you mean ?
[06:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> cd is only useful if you plan to install onto an unformatted drive
[06:02] <_2> eamon how will the new disk be used ?   incorperated into the system ?  data storage/transfer ?    backup ?
[06:02] <red_team316> no, my grub has at least 5 linuxes on it right now...unless you mean something else
[06:02] <eamon> just as data storage,  music movies ect
[06:02] <_2> eamon and will windows be accessing that storage ?
[06:03] <eamon> nah just ubuntu
[06:03] <DarkriftX> how do you run apept updater? its not in my tray and i think i have updates available (i know how to manually do the update, but want my tray icon too)
[06:03] <red_team316> sixoffour, I dont see how an unfomatted HDD makes a difference at all
[06:04] <_2> eamon then i would sujest formating to ext3    or ext2    as one partition or as whole disk.
[06:04] <eamon> sweeet
[06:04] <eamon> oh how do i do that
[06:04] <red_team316> sixoffour: If you dont know how to install manually to a partition then maybe.
[06:04] <_2> eamon qtparted ?
[06:04] <_2> eamon cfdisk ;mke2fs   ?
[06:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do you install to a partition when you are wiping the drive?
[06:05] <_2> eamon parted ?
[06:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> you need a cd
[06:05] <_2> take your pick...
[06:05] <eamon> not sure what you mean
[06:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> qtparted
[06:05] <eamon> what is qtparted
[06:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> how is there any other option? lol
[06:05] <_2> eamon there are at least those three ways to get there
[06:05] <red_team316> lol, you wipe the drive first and then install
[06:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> yep
[06:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> why not?
[06:05] <_2> !info qtparted | eamon
[06:06] <_2> !parted
[06:06] <red_team316> On first linux install, I usually set up several partitions. Then on the rest, I just tell them to install to whatever partition I want.
[06:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> i used guided mode
[06:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[06:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> it made 5 partitions though :S
[06:06] <red_team316> Use manual, you'll never go back. trust me
[06:07] <_2> !gparted | eamon but gparted is a gnome app
[06:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> eamon you have to format your drifve yes to a format linux can understand
[06:07] <DarkriftX> !mysql
[06:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> such as ext3
[06:07] <_2> eamon both qtparted (kde version)  and gparted (gnome version) are frontends to parted    see above  ^
[06:08] <DarkriftX> !plesk
[06:08] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep linux can understand just about every disk format there is
[06:08] <red_team316> It may take you a few installs to understand all that you need, then a Manual install can always preserve any other data on your HDD
[06:08] <drhe|skt> so is KDE going to run ubuntu like how i have it setup now??
[06:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't want to rpeserve the data
[06:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> i want to format the drive
[06:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[06:09] <red_team316> drhe|skt: It will be much better
[06:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> i back ym data up on the network
[06:09] <red_team316> lol sixoffour, then just wip it and install DOS
[06:09] <eamon> which on should i get qt or gp
[06:09] <red_team316> *wipe
[06:09] <drhe|skt> red_team316: okay. cool man. i dont see how it can get better than this. heh
[06:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> or wipe it and install kubuntu
[06:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> eamon qt
[06:09] <red_team316> exactly :)
[06:10] <eamon> what was the command to get qtparted
[06:10] <_2> drhe|skt ubuntu is a name given to a complete distrobution of GNU/Linux   kde nor any other desktop environment will "run ubuntu"   but they all run with in or upon ubuntu/linux  if that's your Q
[06:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install qtparted
[06:10] <_2> eamon     ^
[06:10] <red_team316> Ubuntu uses GNOME. Kubuntu uses KDE
[06:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install <name of app> works 99.9% of the time
[06:11] <_2> yes and both are ubuntu/linux
[06:11] <drhe|skt> okay i kinda understand.
[06:11] <drhe|skt> there is just a display frontend difference between running KDE and GNOME. right?
[06:11] <_2> *buntu is *buntu is *buntu .... all one distro.   just diferent defaults
[06:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> not
[06:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> no
[06:12] <red_team316> I loved Ubuntu when I first started using it but GNOME absolutely pissed me off with it's functionality. Got Kubuntu and it was a godsend.
[06:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> its not just display
[06:12] <eamon> after i have installed it what do it do _2
[06:12] <_2> drhe|skt right
[06:12] <drhe|skt> Sixofour|Sleep: what else is difference?
[06:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> KDE has other apps too, like browsers, write pads, etc etc
[06:12] <drhe|skt> AH
[06:12] <drhe|skt> why?
[06:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> its KDE
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> because they can
[06:12] <drhe|skt> just to seperate itself from gnome?
[06:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> without kde or gnome..there arn't any rbwosers or write apps or...its just a command prompt
[06:12] <_2> !find .*
[06:12] <drhe|skt> ok
[06:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> no kde/gnome = no gui [mostly]
[06:13] <_2> there are 24964 packages in the *buntu repos right now.
[06:13] <drhe|skt> the difference apps that will get installed along with KDE, do those apps work in GNOME aswell?
[06:13] <ezequiel> somebady know how can i go to ubuntu Chat
[06:13] <red_team316> any app for GNOME is most likely there for KDE, the main difference is that the program names are different and you have much more freedom to customize the environment
[06:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> type /join ubuntu
[06:13] <_2> ezequiel /join #ubuntu
[06:13] <drhe|skt> red_team316:  okay.
[06:14] <drhe|skt> i guess its done. i will logout!!!! BRB
[06:14] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep depending on client he may need the #
[06:14] <eamon> so back to my question how do i format my second hdd once i have got the qtpart
[06:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> WHAT THE FACK
[06:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> spam
[06:14] <_2> eamon you use that app.
[06:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> spammity out the wang
[06:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> you guys sere that?
[06:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> see*
[06:15] <_2> not i
[06:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> 5-6 5000ish word blocks of etxt hit me
[06:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> 5000ish letter*
[06:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> ouch
[06:15] <eamon> i cant seem to find it,  do i have to use the konsol to use the app??
[06:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> tab pastes every name in the channel into my client
[06:15] <red_team316> didn't see a thing
[06:16] <red_team316> what client?
[06:16] <eamon> ?
[06:16] <_2> eamon no.  but you can use the konsole or alt+f2 quick launcher to launch it
[06:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> drhe|
[06:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> the apps that come with KDe are alternatives to the ones in gnome
[06:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> if you use kde, you won't need anything from gnome, visavis
[06:17] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep lets really confuse him and mention xubuntu as well  ;/
[06:17] <red_team316> lol
[06:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[06:17] <_2> !xubuntu
[06:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> !de
[06:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> er
[06:17] <eamon> man i was confused the moment i installed ubuntu,  so how do i open the app
[06:17] <_2> :)))
[06:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> !desktop
[06:17] <red_team316> KDE and GNOME are to *ubuntu as explorer.exe is to windows
[06:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> !GUI
[06:18] <eamon> where can i find the app
[06:18] <_2> eamon alt+f2 type qtparted
[06:18] <_2> eamon err may need root though.   alt+f2 kdesudo qtparted
[06:19] <_2> !alt+f2
[06:19] <_2> corse not
[06:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> !run
[06:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> :O
[06:19] <red_team316> um, is there any advantage to using kdesudo rather than just sudo?
[06:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> !run command
[06:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> yes red
[06:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> !sudo
[06:19] <_2> !sudo | red_team316
[06:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> !neverusesudo
[06:19] <_2> !kdesudo | red_team316
[06:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> whats the command abotu why sudo is bad for GUI?
[06:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> sometimes using sudo for a GUi app can KILL your computer
[06:20] <_2> !kdesudo > Sixofour|Sleep
[06:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh
[06:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> heh
[06:20] <_2> not kill your computer....   but mess up permissions in your user account
[06:20] <discombobulated> anyone use 7zip for windows?
[06:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> winrar
[06:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't think any of us use windows
[06:21] <discombobulated> does 7zip support passworded rar files?
[06:21]  * [pyro] wonders if the channel name is #windows
[06:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> try #windows
[06:21] <red_team316> .ICEauthority permissions changed!
[06:21] <[pyro]> lol
[06:21] <red_team316> I've done that before lol
[06:21] <discombobulated> #windows now requires registered nicks and giving me trouble
[06:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> !unrar
[06:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> lolwut?
[06:22] <_2> red_team316 yep among other less obvious things
[06:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> they finally locked that channel up? neat
[06:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> every time i go in there i argue with someone at some poiont
[06:22] <discombobulated> it keeps telling me wrong password for my nick. i'm sure it's the right one
[06:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> well
[06:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> !7zip
[06:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> that didn't help much
[06:23] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep what channel ?    ##windows ?
[06:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> the one i always get into an argument with?..yes ##windows
[06:23] <discombobulated> i use kubuntu but currently on my windows partition
[06:23] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep it's not locked up
[06:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh
[06:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> tellhim that
[06:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> Squidbillies
[06:24] <red_team316> Sixoffour: The article is incorrect. You CAN run kate with sudo.
[06:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> you can run almost anything with sudo,doesn'tmake it a good idea
[06:24] <_2> red_team316 can != should
[06:25] <_2> !worksforme
[06:25] <red_team316> maybe is means from the start menu or something...
[06:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> what does "!=" mean? lol..i see it all the time
[06:25] <red_team316> lol i know
[06:25] <red_team316> not equal
[06:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats =/=
[06:25] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep heh   ! is not
[06:25] <red_team316> 'no, you taught me something today.
[06:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> vista =/= linux
[06:26] <red_team316> I just need a script to determine if gksudo, kdesu is present and if not, use sudo. I'm a programmer.
[06:26] <di48lo> anyone know how to eject a cd when using virtualbox?
[06:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> cd player button?
[06:26] <di48lo> omg, what an awsome answer
[06:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> most cd roms after 1987 have one
[06:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> 1978*
[06:27] <red_team316> lol
[06:27] <di48lo> no seriously, I am installing xp in a virtual box and I can't eject cause ivman pwns the cd
[06:27] <_2> red_team316 simple enough.   Q=`which kdesu` || Q=`which gksu` || Q=`which sudo` || exit 42
[06:27] <red_team316> what about exit 1?
[06:27] <_2> no wait.  let me shorten that
[06:28] <red_team316> why 42? lol
[06:28] <_2> red_team316 simple enough....  Q=`which kdesu || which gksu || which sudo || exit 1`
[06:28] <red_team316> also, your code requires which to be installed. Is that standard with all linux?
[06:28] <_2> why 1 why not 42 ?
[06:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> what the crap language is that?
[06:28] <_2> why not 255 ?
[06:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> why not 256?
[06:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> its an even number
[06:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> 255 isn't
[06:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[06:29] <red_team316> 1 is nonzero, typically meaning that there was an error
[06:29] <red_team316> 255 is nonzero also :P
[06:29] <_2> red_team316 you can use any exit code you want.  i often use progressive exitcodes so i can easily test what point a script is bailing out at.
[06:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> make it exit 7352674 and make people think you actually have that many exits
[06:30] <di48lo> so anyone had issues with ejecting cd's and ivman saying NO!??
[06:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> !ivman
[06:30] <DarkriftX> does 8.04 come with mysql installed?
[06:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> !ubottu | sucks
[06:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> no clue, how owuld i check?
[06:31] <red_team316>  <red_team316> also, your code requires which to be installed. Is that standard with all linux? <--that question is more important. I understand your exit code strategy _2, it makes perfect sense.
[06:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> DarkriftX:
[06:32] <di48lo> ubottu, wanna come hang? I got some beers, you bring the buds and lets get toe up
[06:32] <di48lo> oh sorry
[06:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> !intelligence
[06:32] <DarkriftX> i want to install plesk to play with it a bit but it needs mysql... i thought for some reason on my last 7.10 install that when i tried to install it it was already there, but dont remember how to tell
[06:32] <_2> red_team316 redundant example of decreesing exit codes.  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d56d38cf2
[06:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> LOL
[06:33] <baudthief> omg @ "redirect" forwarding option with Kontact
[06:33] <red_team316> which kdesu %VAR || which gksu %VAR || which sudo %VAR || exit 1 <---would be even better, no?
[06:33] <red_team316> well ... "$VAR" ... my bad
[06:33] <_2> what will %var expand to ?
[06:33] <_2> and how will which find %var ?
[06:34] <red_team316> I hate bash, but here goes:
[06:34] <red_team316> VAR=kate
[06:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> www.google.com:%var
[06:34] <red_team316> then call the above line after it
[06:35] <_2> test it in a konsole and you'll see your error
[06:35] <asus> hi
[06:35] <drhe|skt> so i am running KDE, i guess its a bit better. i cant really tell. it did install some more apps. i guess this is a more complex version of ubuntu. also, what is KDE 4 remix?
[06:36] <red_team316> oh, oops, I dont even have to run the code to see the error _2 :)
[06:36] <_2> red_team316 http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4a5c77b2
[06:37] <_2> :)
[06:37] <discombobulated> drhe|skt, it's kubuntu with kde4 only
[06:37] <red_team316> lol more like if(which kdesu) then run kdesu kate
[06:37] <red_team316> lol
[06:37] <drhe|skt> how does kde4 compare to the kde im running now?
[06:37] <red_team316> getting ahead of myself :P
[06:38] <_2> red_team316 you mean   which kdesu && kdesu kate blah     i think   ^
[06:39] <_2> !kde4 | drhe|skt
[06:39] <discombobulated> i don't recommend 4.0, but 4.1 is shaping up
[06:39] <_2> drhe|skt you can install it along side and compare for your self
[06:40] <red_team316> && is confusing for me in bash. That means that kate only runs if kdesu is true, right?
[06:40] <panlin> hello
[06:40] <red_team316> in a prog language it would mean both items have to be true to run
[06:41] <_2> red_team316 you should then probably spend a day or two in   man bash     1 && 2    means run 2 if 1 exits zero    3 || 4    means run 4 if 3 exits non-zero
[06:41] <drhe|skt> what will i notice about kde4?
[06:41] <_2> red_team316  5;6 means run 6 when 5 exits
[06:41] <_2> or 5 ; 6    spaces are not important there ^
[06:42] <_2> 7 & 8   means run 7 in the background and run 8    both of which will start at almost the same instant
[06:43] <red_team316> yes _2, exactly what I meant. If 1 is true, run 2. If 3 is false, run 4(an or operator)
[06:44] <red_team316> is's just confusing kinda since I'm not used to the tests being actual progs. I guess it's no different than a function returning a value
[06:44] <red_team316> especially in the terminal
[06:44] <_2> correct
[06:45] <red_team316> 5;6 means run the commands sequentially, no?
[06:45] <_2> yes
[06:45] <_2> 5 ; 6    means run 6 when 5 exits
[06:45] <_2> no matter how it exits
[06:45] <red_team316> 7 has precedence over 8 though. I've figure that out :)
[06:46] <_2> yeah it will start first but the clock ticks are not many...
[06:46] <red_team316> what about &
[06:46] <eamon> when i go alt+f2 and try run qtpart it says cannot open location. ?? anyone? help
[06:47] <red_team316> bitwise stuff awlays confuses me
[06:47] <_2> means put the process in the background
[06:47] <red_team316> usplash -c -x 4000 -y 4000 $1 &
[06:47] <red_team316> sleep 1
[06:47] <red_team316> usplash_write "VERBOSE true"
[06:47] <red_team316> usplash_write "TIMEOUT 0"
[06:47] <red_team316> usplash_write "TEXT Testing usplash theme..."
[06:47] <red_team316> that runs in a bash script but wont in the terminal
[06:48] <_2> ok you backgrounded "usplash" and continued parsing the script, sleep gave a one second delay before continuing to the usplash_write calls.
[06:49] <red_team316> wouldnt usplash be the first one ran. Is that what you mean by backgrounded?
[06:49] <DarkriftX> w00t, i got apache and php setup all by myself!
[06:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> you guys still talking about exit 42?
[06:49] <_2> the backgrounded process is not dependant on the script but the owning process    the command   "nohup"  is also useful if you need a process to continue beyond it's parrent.
[06:50] <red_team316> Nice, nohup looks very useful
[06:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> my clock still doesn't work, fack
[06:50] <red_team316> whats it stand for?
[06:51] <_2> red_team316 yes usplash will be the firest one to start running but,   but the shell is not waiting for it to finish before continuing.   it's in the background.   let me show you what i mean in a konsole.    type this       sleep 1m &
[06:51] <red_team316> ah, must be "no hangups"
[06:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there no way for kubuntu to use common time in kde3.5?
[06:52] <_2> now you have a sleep command running in the background  you can access it with   alt+1
[06:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't want to see 23:59
[06:52] <_2> red_team316 or the    fg    foreground command.
[06:52] <red_team316> looks like it's giving me the time or a second count or something
[06:53] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep the settings for that are in kcontrol language  section
[06:53] <_2> red_team316 the process id probably
[06:53] <_2> pidof sleep
[06:53] <_2> fg     and ctrl+c
[06:53] <red_team316> ah that makes sense
[06:54] <_2> red_team316 also you can background most running processes with the   ctrl+z   hotkeys in bash
[06:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> its not working, i told it to use am:pm, its still 23:00 pm
[06:55] <red_team316> i dont get fg, whats an example?
[06:55] <_2> however processes backgrounded that way are suspended while processes backgrounded with the apmersand are not suspended.
[06:55] <_2> red_team316 fg "foreground command"  will bring a backgrounded command to the foreground
[06:56] <_2> the following three lines are konsole examples...
[06:56] <_2> sleep 1m &
[06:56] <_2> pidof sleep
[06:56] <_2> fg
[06:57] <_2> you will notice that when you fg   the sleep command comes to the foreground and the konsole waits for the timmer to run out.   :)
[06:57]  * red_team316 is waiting 1m :)
[06:58] <_2> you can of course kill it with ctrl+c   if you are impatient.
[06:58] <red_team316> nice, does that bring it back to the top, almost like a queue?
[06:58] <_2> yep
[06:58] <red_team316> well, a queue interrupt
[06:59] <_2> !cli
[06:59] <_2> i like that first line    ^
[07:00] <red_team316> _2 me too. I'm not afraid of the cli, but you have to know what you're doing first lol
[07:01]  * _2 learned everything he knows about linux by the trial and reformat methood...
[07:01] <red_team316> _2: I think you will like this: http://antonolsen.com/2006/04/10/bash-split-a-string-without-cut-or-awk/
[07:01] <_2> before i look
[07:02] <randomice> helo, I am havin problems with my display driver after suspend
[07:02] <randomice> every time i scroll a page or move a window the screen content gets scrambled
[07:03] <_2> echo "this is a test" | while read a b c d e f g ;do for q in $a $b $c $d $e $f $g ;do echo $q ;done ;done
[07:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> !ati
[07:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> !nvidia
[07:03] <_2> red_team316  that ^ and this http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d158ad246
[07:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> are you useing restricted drivers?
[07:03] <_2> now i'll lock at yours
[07:04] <jtmoney> strange problem... i'm running heron and whenever i click K, shutdown, shutdown/restart/etc. i get a black screen... whenever i type "sudo reboot" or "sudo shutdown -P now" i can get the machine to reboot/shutdown... whenever i close the lid of this laptop, it shutsdown... so everything works except for when kubuntu calls /sbin/reboot or /sbin/poweroff ... any ideas?
[07:04] <randomice> I am using the ati driver from gutsy
[07:05] <randomice> its a mobility m6
[07:06] <red_team316> _2: what about using $@, couldn't that be better, as with a b c you are limited by how many times it's read?
[07:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> why does this not work:
[07:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> wget http://www.fmod.org/index.php/release/version/fmodapi41609linux.tar.gz
[07:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> tar -xvzf fmodapi41609linux.tar.gz
[07:06] <_2> red_team316 and what will $@ expand to ?
[07:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> ??
[07:06] <red_team316> this is a test I believe
[07:07] <_2> red_team316 you have to pass args to a shell/script for $@ to be set   it's like   $*    it's only the command line arguments
[07:08] <_2> red_team316 i could have imited it to only a and b that would cut out the first word from what ever folowed.
[07:08] <red_team316> whats $* do? I would never type that into the terminal manually lol
[07:08] <_2> red_team316 same as $@ unless you quote it
[07:09] <red_team316> I I'd be thorally confused then :P
[07:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> why does apt-get seach FMODex not work?
[07:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> er
[07:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> apt-cache
[07:10] <red_team316> ...and if you quote it?
[07:10] <red_team316> I usually quote my vars since they may be more than 1 word or value
[07:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> hello?
[07:11] <red_team316> sorry, i have no clue sixofour
[07:12] <red_team316> what is FMODex?
[07:12] <red_team316> if it isn't a package then that may be why it isnt working
[07:13] <red_team316> ...hmm then again, yea, still why wouldnt it work lol
[07:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
[07:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> tar: Child returned status 1
[07:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[07:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> http://zdoom.org/wiki/Compile_ZDoom_on_Linux
[07:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> !zdoom
[07:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm at the FMOD part :S
[07:18] <eamon> im having trouble formating one of my drives using qtparted,  any help
[07:18] <pteague_laptop> anybody know how to turn off the synaptics touchpad tap to click via xorg.conf?
[07:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> !xorg.conf
[07:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> !qtparted
[07:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> !partition
[07:18] <_2> red_team316 drop this in a script and test this on it to see how all that works.     scriptname.sh "a 1" "b 2" "c 3"
[07:19] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d26619afd
[07:19] <_2> red_team316 drop this >>> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d26619afd <<< in a script and test this on it to see how all that works.     scriptname.sh "a 1" "b 2" "c 3"
[07:20] <_2> you'll notice three different tests.  and three different outputs.
[07:20] <_2> from one input
[07:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> qtparted is point and click, pretty self explanitory
[07:21] <djdarkman> did someone had problems with virtualbox's NAT?
[07:22] <noaXess> ave read that kde 3.5.10 is available in backports.. unsupported updates.. when is i available in normal updates?
[07:22] <_2> what both $* and $@ expand to is the same as $1 $2 $3 $4... as many as there are...     but if you quote $* you get one string   if you quote $@ you get one string per arg  if you dont quote either you get the same "ifs dependant" args
[07:22] <nigel> I'm having trouble finding out how to get php5 upgraded beyond 5.2.1. Do I just link to the deb archives, which are more up-to-date? Or am I missing something in my kubuntu setup?
[07:23] <nigel> (5.2.1 is installed, and aptitude shows no upgrades available)
[07:23] <red_team316> hmm that does look useful. I tried it with different input too
[07:23] <Chris_Foster> Hi, I have a quick question: If I get a virus in wine thats designed for windows (not wine), could that have any effects on my linux system, or if the worst happens could I just delete wine and kubuntu would be safe? thx
[07:24] <_2> red_team316 well i better stop there.  i could go on untile i get us both kicked out for being off topic  :)
[07:24] <red_team316> It looks like $* could be used in a loop similar to my $@ then stripping the args
[07:25] <_2> yes it can
[07:25] <red_team316> off topic lol, chat is about making your own topic :P
[07:25] <Chris_Foster> was that yes it can an answer to me?
[07:25] <_2> not official support channels
[07:25] <_2> Chris_Foster no. sorry
[07:25] <red_team316> oh, gotch ;)
[07:25] <Chris_Foster> thanks you, so im safe?
[07:26] <red_team316> you're not on any other channels though :P
[07:26] <_2> !virus | Chris_Foster
[07:26] <Chris_Foster> okay, thanks
[07:27] <_2> red_team316 #bash  has lots of help on that kind of stuff.   and i'm glad to answer specific questions about it any time.
[07:27] <red_team316> I've learned alot from you tonight, Thanks :)
[07:28] <_2> just that i have been more or less "teaching" shell scripting 101 in here for the last 20 minutes and i'd probably better give it a rest.  :)
[07:28] <_2> and your welcome.
[07:29] <_2> !info php5
[07:29] <_2> nigel what version of ubuntu you have ?
[07:29] <_2> nigel  lsb_release -r
[07:29] <red_team316> well, bash isn't my native language. Mainly because of readability. If I can't understand it, how will I when I come back to it 6 months from now trying to debug something :p
[07:30] <_2> red_team316 heh i have that problem with other languages  :)
[07:30] <red_team316> C/C++, and now some python. But I do like bash much better than DOS
[07:30] <nigel> _2: 7.04
[07:31] <matt__> i need a lil help if anyone can help :)
[07:31] <nigel> _2: I'm fully upgraded on 7.04... do I need to upgrade, or just changes sources.list?
[07:32] <nigel> s/upgraded/updated
[07:32] <_2> nigel looks like you have two options supported.  stay with the version you have of php or upgrade the entire system.    we don't really support adding wierd repos/packages
[07:32] <red_team316> unfortunetly it's past my bedtime and work in the morning. Great chat _2. Until we meet again ;)
[07:32] <_2> any other options are not really supported.   things like just grabbing the .deb from the site and using gdebi or dpkg -i on it are not supported.
[07:33] <nigel> _2: OK, I need to upgrade then. Thanks for that.
[07:33] <_2> red_team316 sleep well.
[07:33] <_2> nigel welcome.
[07:33] <red_team316> gnite
[07:34] <_2> nigel meaning you break it you fix it.  when i say "not supported" of course.   ^
[07:35] <_2> noaXess did anyone answer you ?
[07:36] <noaXess> not jet
[07:36] <_2> sorry we burried your q.  want to repost, maybe someone knows.
[07:37] <nigel> _2: Yes, on my home system I'd do so,; for work purposes, I'll upgrade so things stay nice n' official. :)
[07:39] <jnalli> can someone help me with compiz fusion?
[07:39] <_2> well,  i'm out for a bit.   keep your pinguins happy, feed them windows!
[07:39] <jussi01> jnalli: ask yourquestion
[07:39] <jussi01> _2: will do :P
[07:39] <_2> !compiz | jnalli also notice
[07:40] <jnalli> whenever i choose desktop cube it reverts back to desktop wall
[07:40] <jnalli> my cube doesnt work
[07:40] <jnalli> i have gnome
[07:40] <jnalli> ultimate ubuntu
[07:40] <jnalli> and i cant do the cube anymore
[07:41] <jnalli> have to reboot brb
[07:42] <jussi01> sigh...
[07:42] <sunshine> ?
[07:43] <jussi01> sunshine: the poor guy using ubuntu ultimate
[09:05] <waylandbill> I guess I'm supposed to be excited about IE8 beta being released with its porn mode button, but I'm not. ;-)
[09:05] <Tm_T> waylandbill: aaand that's offtopic here ;)
[09:06] <waylandbill> Tm_T: only a tad. it's okay konqui does good enough surfing for porn. :)
[09:07] <logansan01> !fr
[09:13] <extacy> Hi all :)
[09:14] <mcas> hi extacy
[09:16] <Tm_T> waylandbill: no, that p-- is not for this channel
[09:18] <extacy> can you help me? :)
[09:19] <Tm_T> extacy: not until you ask your question ;)
[09:20] <extacy> i finded a tutorial in help.ubuntu.com for the world of warcraft https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft
[09:21] <extacy> but
[09:21] <extacy> i stay in "Installing WoW" title :D
[09:24] <Kubuntu-man> salut les Kubunticiens ^^
[09:24] <Kubuntu-man> j'aurai besoin d'une toute petite aide :$
[09:25] <Kubuntu-man> Il y a quelqu'un ? ^^
[09:25] <bazhang> !fr | Kubuntu-man
[09:26] <extacy> im from hungary :D
[09:26] <extacy> but in ubuntu-hu....
[09:26] <Kubuntu-man> personne ? :(
[09:26] <bazhang> Kubuntu-man, english here
[09:26] <bazhang> Kubuntu-man, or /join #ubuntu-fr
[09:26] <extacy> oh fu
[09:26] <extacy> **
[09:27] <extacy> i didnt fined wow cd :S
[09:27] <bazhang> !language | extacy
[09:28] <extacy> in ubuntu-hu...cant help me :(
[09:29] <bazhang> extacy, #winehq for wow questions with wine
[09:29] <extacy> oh my god! Give me a wow cd :D
[09:29] <extacy> oke...
[09:29] <jfesalvanera> hello
[09:31] <Kubuntu-man> personne pour une petite aide ? ^^
[09:32] <bazhang> Kubuntu-man, this is english.
[09:32] <bazhang> Kubuntu-man, join the french channel.
[09:35] <logansan01> !fr
[09:58] <Kubuntu-man> personne ?
[10:01] <logansan01> !fr
[10:01] <logansan01> Kubuntu-man @
[10:02] <logansan01> Kubuntu-man #kubuntu-fr
[10:18] <bodek> Hello
[10:18] <bodek> quelqu'un s'y connais en KDE ? ^^
[10:19] <flaccid> bodek: english only. which language you after?
[10:19] <lumm_> !fr | bodek
[10:19] <logansan01> !fr
[10:19] <bodek> thx
[10:25] <sbucat> hi
[10:25] <teknisi> hi too
[10:26] <sbucat> :) teknisi
[10:29] <sbucat> !samba
[10:29] <sbucat> !samba | teknisi
[10:30] <visco> Hello
[10:30] <sbucat> hi
[10:31] <visco> can anybody help me to get rid of gnome and stay just with kde? ;]
[10:32] <alec> hello
[10:32] <sbucat> visco: there is a metapackage
[10:32] <sbucat> visco: i think gnome-desktop
[10:32] <alec> thefish, got some news if you're interested..
[10:32] <stdin> !purekde | visco
[10:33] <grassone> hi all
[10:33] <visco> thank you guys very much! :)
[10:33] <sbucat> :) visco prrego
[10:34] <visco> sbucat: ja wiem ;)
[10:34] <sbucat> i see
[10:34] <visco> :P
[10:35] <grassone> i have a wifi usb pen, i have to compile a new kernel but i can't find the place to check for this module
[10:36] <sbucat> grassone: what kind of wifi then...
[10:36] <jussi01> !kernel | grassone this may help
[10:36] <thefish> alec: still there?
[10:36] <grassone> i know the name rt73usb  and  using the "/" in the configuration tool of the kernel i can find out the location
[10:36] <alec> yay
[10:37] <alec> remember the problem with con.h? you were helping me on that.
[10:37] <grassone> but no switch is present for this module !
[10:37] <thefish> ye the empty files in windows thing
[10:37] <grassone> the problem is not to compile
[10:38] <thefish> alec: what solved it?
[10:39] <grassone> the problem is very silly: i can't find out the place where make the choice of the module !!!
[10:39] <alec> right. the other day I also copied the files (including con.h) via smb to a windows pc. copying worked out but sill i couldn't access the file. then I accidently found in google that windows reserves the filename con.* . same goes for files you want to call nul.* . try it out on a windows pc. you just can't create a file beginning like that.
[10:39] <grassone> the name of the module is rt73usb
[10:40] <grassone> but it's impossible for me to find it out in the menu of the kernel configurator
[10:41] <sbucat> grassone: are you italian?
[10:41] <grassone> it say that the location is : "Device Drivers "
[10:41] <grassone> sbucat: si :)
[10:41] <alec> thefish, i also told my employees to do that on theirs xp-machines. everywhere the same.
[10:42] <grassone> it say that the location is : "Device Drivers " "Network device support" "wireless LAN"
[10:42] <visco> sbucat: Im probably getting rid of gnome and kde now o.O
[10:42] <sbucat> grassone: i have written to you on query
[10:43] <Tm_T> Guest67338: are we rooted now?
[10:46] <Guest67338> tm_t ?
[10:46] <Tm_T> Guest67338: you are ircing as root
[10:47] <Guest67338> yup
[10:47] <grassone> some one could help me ?
[10:47] <thefish> alec: wow interesting find!
[10:48] <alec> thefish: thanks! makes one see the worth of linux even more :)
[10:48] <thefish> alec: they all have their interesting little quirks
[10:49] <romunov_> can i uninstall kde4 with "apt-get remove kde4"?
[10:49] <romunov_> and install kde3 over it?
[10:49] <romunov_> kde4 is still a bit short on what i need
[10:49] <thefish> alec: so with other empty files it works fine? ie "touch /media/disk/testfile" and move to windows, opens ok?
[10:50] <alec> thefish: yeah, i was wrong assuming that it's about the empty file. it's just these certain filenames con and nul (and probably a couple of other names).
[10:52] <teknisi> lock directory /var/run/samba do not axist... can you help me
[10:55] <kuil> morning all
[10:56] <Tm_T> Guest67338: FYI, you shouldn't ;)
[10:56] <kuil> a question.. any body else noticed when enabling 'compiz' effects that the number of virtual desktops is limited to 1 ?
[10:57] <favro> kuil: that is something you set up with ccsm
[10:57] <kuil> I use kde 3.5.10 with hardy
[10:58] <favro> !ccsm
[10:58] <TRD> hello to all.. how to activate javascript in konqueror 3.5.6
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> oh god not another
[10:58] <kuil> ah.. thank!
[10:58] <kuil> I will try that
[10:58] <favro> :)
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> !java | TRD
[11:00] <TRD> i must run java to activate javascript ??
[11:00] <raza> hello, im using kubuntu 8.04 with kde v4.0.3 , when i do a logoff i get a blank screen, pressing ctrl+alt+del, reboots the machine
[11:01] <raza> any way to fix this ?
[11:01] <favro> raza: try hitting ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:01] <ichat> verry short question befor downloading...  -  the  kde4 remix, is that  with  4.0 or  4.1  d
[11:01] <raza> favro : ok
[11:02] <hahahehe> hey guys, im trying to tar up some directory but inside there is this file js.png , it's got a perm of    ?rw-r--r--  , and it breaks up my tarring.  what the hell is,  ?rw-r--r--
[11:02] <flaccid> raza: there are bugs relating to this. can you go to a tty when it blacks out?
[11:02] <raza> flaccid : how to get to the tty on black out ?
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> raza: id make a script to perform "sudo shutdown -h now" until it get resolved
[11:03] <flaccid> raza: ctrl+alt+f2
[11:03] <jussi01> raza: kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[11:03] <raza> flaccid : ok, ill try that
[11:03] <hahahehe> anybody
[11:03] <hahahehe> wanna help me?
[11:03] <favro> hahahehe: I would try  sudo chown -Rv you:you /path/to/dir and that should get the permissions right
[11:03] <ichat> hahahehe:  -   change them to     rw rw  rw   -
[11:03] <raza> jussi : ok :)
[11:03] <jussi01> !ask | hahahehe
[11:03] <hahahehe> hey guys, im trying to tar up some directory but inside there is this file js.png , it's got a perm of    ?rw-r--r--  , and it breaks up my tarring.  what the hell is,  ?rw-r--r--
[11:04] <flaccid> hahahehe: please don't repeat
[11:04] <hahahehe> favro: so its not my hard drive dying?
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> hahahehe: its the permissios, everyone can read but only owner can write//modify
[11:04] <favro> hahahehe: I wouldn't think so
[11:04] <hahahehe> how did ? get in there
[11:04] <favro> ?
[11:04] <hahahehe> yea,  when i do ls -l
[11:04] <hahahehe> i see ?rw-r--r--
[11:04] <hahahehe> what is that ?
[11:04] <hahahehe> in the front
[11:05] <flaccid> hahahehe: if someone knew that would of said. run file js.png and let us know what it says
[11:06] <hahahehe> strange, i just tried [root@server2 images]# cp js.png js.png2,   and i got   cp: reading `js.png': Invalid argument
[11:06] <hahahehe> i cant even copy that darn file
[11:06] <flaccid> so what does file say?
[11:06] <hahahehe> im now afraid to even delete it
[11:07] <hahahehe> i dont know what it is
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> hahahehe: why are you loggged in as root?
[11:07] <hahahehe> its in my wordpress/wp-includes/images folder
[11:07]  * flaccid waits
[11:07] <hahahehe> because, im facing some weird apesh1t problem right now
[11:08] <hahahehe> what do you mean , what does file say?
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> hahahehe: ok try using ./js.png
[11:08] <flaccid> file ./js.png
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> hahahehe: file is a command
[11:08] <flaccid> file is a command
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> echo
[11:08] <hahahehe> oh
[11:08] <hahahehe> i dont want to run it either
[11:09] <hahahehe> it might be something nasty for all i know
[11:09] <flaccid> you dont run png files
[11:09] <stdin> have you tried just changing it's permissions?
[11:09] <hahahehe> yeah
[11:09] <hahahehe> i tried setting to 644
[11:09] <hahahehe> same result
[11:09] <flaccid> hahahehe: ?
[11:10] <hahahehe> it still has,  that question mark at the front
[11:10] <flaccid> well considering you won't run that command. the only thing i will suggest is fsck.
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> hahahehe: try man file
[11:11] <hahahehe> js.png: ERROR: invalid mode 030644
[11:11] <hahahehe> thats what i got
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> hahahehe: file just tells you what sort of file the data represents
[11:11] <flaccid> hooray
[11:11] <hahahehe> =D
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> hahahehe: how did you get that error?
[11:13] <hahahehe> i did file js.png
[11:13] <ScorpKing> hi guys. what's the best kernel to use on ubuntu with a dual core cpu? server or generic?
[11:13] <stdin> hahahehe: try 'chmod u=rw,g=r,o=r' see if that resets the permissions, if not then I'd agree with flaccid and suggest you run fsck
[11:13] <hahahehe> well if it is fs problem,    (my fs is RAID 10 fyi),  its not going to corrupt my entire raid is it?
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> ScorpKing: both are pretty much the same for you
[11:13] <ScorpKing> ActionParsnip: oh ok. thanks
[11:14] <hahahehe> stdin, isnt that same as doing chmod 644
[11:14] <stdin> hahahehe: depends on how chmod is implemented
[11:15] <Freddy2> hi
[11:16] <hahahehe> ok i tried, chmod u=rw,g=r,o=r js.png , and it still same thing
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> hi Freddy2
[11:17] <Freddy2> i'm logging into my computer, and every time kicker starts it freezes.. keeps showing a window with a title like "File check progress" (source trash://)
[11:17] <Freddy2> how can i fix this?
[11:18] <Freddy2> i've tried to remove the contents of ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker but doesn't work
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> Freddy2: id run fschk
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> fsck*
[11:18] <stdin> Freddy2: try making sure ~/.local/share/Trash (and subdirectories/files) are owned by you
[11:19] <Freddy2> ok, let me see
[11:21] <stdin> running "sudo chown -R $(whoami): ~/.local/share/Trash" will recursively change the ownership to you
[11:21] <Freddy2> it seems every single file/dir is mine
[11:22] <flaccid> Freddy2: if still no luck. you could goto konsole and killall kicker and then run kicker and see if you get any more output when it does the trash
[11:22] <Freddy2> http://phpfi.com/348040
[11:23] <Freddy2> here it is
[11:24] <stdin> Freddy2: I guess you need to clear it out manually (or at least the .png files)
[11:24] <flaccid> they just look like warnings with rendering pngs for it
[11:24] <Freddy2> hmm what should i clear?
[11:24] <flaccid> libpng wouldn't be run on the png files in the trash would it
[11:25] <stdin> it could be, konqueror with preview mode definitely would
[11:26] <Freddy2> maybe it's failing when trying to render some kicker icons? there are no png files in ~/.local/share
[11:26] <stdin> Freddy2: if you don't mind clearing your trash, remove the files in  ~/.local/share/Trash/info/ and ~/.local/share/Trash/files. or just move them somewhere else
[11:26] <stdin> you said you've cleared the kicker configs though?
[11:27] <Freddy2> yes
[11:27] <stdin> then that shouldn't be the problem
[11:27] <Freddy2> right now i've remove the Trash folder, and i've recreated it again (keeping 700 as permissions), but same results
[11:27] <stdin> have you tried creating another user and seeing if the problem still happens?
[11:28] <Freddy2> that may be a good idea
[11:33] <Freddy2> it seems it's something related to compiz-fusion.. even launching kwin --replace at ~/.kde/Autostart i can see the cube
[11:33] <Freddy2> the other user's session runs fine
[11:36] <Freddy2> ok, i've found "it".. there was some problem at kickerrc
[11:36] <Freddy2> i've removed it and has just started fine
[11:37] <flaccid> some problem?
[11:37] <flaccid> you removed the whole file or the problem in the file?
[11:37] <Freddy2> the hole file xD
[11:37] <Freddy2> *whole
[11:38] <flaccid> ok
[11:57] <denis__> !de
[11:57] <denis__> hallo
[11:57] <flaccid> good evening
[11:58] <denis__> sorry, wrong room
[12:16] <amen> hi
[12:21] <amen> i want to dual boot window xp  and kubuntu on dell vostro 1310. since dell had use some of the hardisk for dell uttilly and pc restore. here it partition scheme that i had think about..50 - window xp(ntsf, 120 - shared data(fat32)
[12:21] <bazhang> !dualboot
[12:21] <bazhang> amen ^^
[12:22] <amen> i know how to dual boot
[12:22] <amen> but i want to if the partition that i want to created is okay..here is my partition..
[12:25] <amen> 50 GB -window xp, 120Gb - shared data (fat32),20Gb - / ,30Gb- /home and for swap since i had 2 gb ram ,2 X 2gb =4gb swap. ..what do u think about this partition..?
[12:26] <bazhang> which is installed first amen
[12:26] <amen> window xp
[12:26] <amen> i had dual boot before..
[12:26] <flaccid> sounds alright yeah
[12:27] <amen> okay...
[12:27] <flaccid> i'd probably do about the same in that situtation
[12:28] <amen> should i make the 2 partiton for swap such swap1- 2GB, swap2 - 2GB or only use 1 swap - 4GB..
[12:30] <amen> the only thing that i can't decide is regarding the partition for swap...
[12:30] <favro> with 2G of mem you won't swap - I'd make it the same size as mem for suspend/hibernate
[12:30] <favro> *much
[12:30] <amen> oic..
[12:30] <fulvio> buongiorno
[12:31] <amen> thank your the help...
[12:31] <favro> !it | fulvio
[12:31] <fulvio> thanks
[12:31] <favro> np :)
[12:34] <amen> which the best .. kubuntu kde  3 or kbuntu remix kde4?
[12:35] <abby87> amen: kde4 one has some bugs but looks wise awesome
[12:35] <abby87> amen: it depends on what you like stability vs novelty
[12:35] <amen> novelty?
[12:36] <abby87> amen: btw if you update kde4 one to kde 4.1 it would be quite stable
[12:36] <amen> oic..
[12:36] <amen> abby87,if u,what do u prefer?
[12:37] <abby87> amen: novelty,yes kde 4 differs from overall look and feel that kde 3 desktop provided ...check out some screenshots or videos of kde 4 and u'll understand y i mentioned novelty
[12:37] <amen> okay..
[12:37] <abby87> amen: i was and still am a gnome user but i moved to kde for kde 4
[12:38] <abby87> amen: i prefer kde4 over kde3 , i never liked kde3 that much ...kde4 is a potential mac killer
[12:39] <abby87> amen: but if you do try kde4 pls update to kde 4.1 asap ..as kde4.1 is way better and stable than kde 4
[12:39] <Black_Monkey> hi, after recent kernel updates, I can't run X, except using the "failsafe" xorg.conf (nvidia graphics card, beta driver)
[12:40] <amen> if i install the kde4,if it automatically update to kde4.1?
[12:40] <abby87> Black_Monkey: u mean u are left with command line only?
[12:40] <abby87> amen: no
[12:40] <Dr_willis> Black_Monkey,  try reinstalling the nvidia drivers
[12:40] <abby87> amen: you have to input this command into the terminal sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:40] <Black_Monkey> abby87: well, I can boot into failsafe X
[12:40] <Black_Monkey> Dr_willis: which packages would that be?
[12:41] <amen> okay...
[12:41] <Black_Monkey> I tried running "nvidia-xconfig", as it told me to do when I booted into failsafe, but that didn't do anything
[12:41] <Dr_willis> Black_Monkey,  depends on the card. and how you installed them befor. nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy, or nvidia-glx-new I think.
[12:41] <abby87> Black_Monkey: try the command startx from terminal
[12:41] <amen> thank you..
[12:41] <Dr_willis> or rerun that restricted-hardware manager tool
[12:41] <Black_Monkey> Dr_willis: I removed and reinstalled nvidia-glx earlier, didn't do anything
[12:41] <abby87> amen: ;)
[12:41] <Black_Monkey> abby87: yeah, that just gives errors and can't run
[12:42] <abby87> Black_Monkey: can u show post the errors via pastebin?
[12:42] <abby87> !pastebin
[12:42] <abby87> !pastebin | Black_Monkey
[12:43] <abby87> Black_Monkey: what i think is that you installed the driver for a wrong kernel
[12:43] <Black_Monkey> abby87: ah, I've forgotten, which is the file it posts errors to?
[12:44] <Black_Monkey> it was something like Xorg.log, but I can't remember where
[12:44] <wolf_> hi
[12:44] <wolf_> i installed hardy heron on my machine
[12:44] <abby87> Black_Monkey: not sure but check      cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:44] <abby87> wolf_: hi
[12:45] <Black_Monkey> ah, that's the one, thanks
[12:45] <wolf_> but activating fglrx kills x, it wont start, i use a x700 sapphire pro
[12:45] <wolf_> i got a message in kde to activate the restricted driver
[12:46] <abby87> wolf_: yes what happened after u activated it?
[12:46] <wolf_> what to do, i need acceleration for videos and mydesktoip environment
[12:46] <abby87> wolf_: did the xserver crash?
[12:46] <wolf_> abby87: xwanted to resatrt but it couldnt, so i booted in recovery mode and  repaired x with the menu
[12:47] <abby87> wolf_: tried reinstalling the drivers?
[12:48] <hipsterical> troubles with xorg ?
[12:48] <wolf_> abby87: no, i think the same would happen when i use the restricted-drivers manager again
[12:48] <wolf_> hipsterical: yep
[12:48] <wolf_> dont know if it is my ATI radeon sapphire x700 pro
[12:48] <hipsterical> maybe after upgrade the new kernel doesnt work with nvidia drivers? same 4 me
[12:48] <wolf_> hipsterical: no ati
[12:48] <hipsterical> i had to step back to the older kernel
[12:48] <hipsterical> ah, ok
[12:49] <flaccid> you need to reinstall the nvidia driver after upgrading the kernel otherwise it won't match
[12:49] <abby87> wolf_: hipsterical: have u installed kernel headers?
[12:49] <hipsterical> yep
[12:49] <Black_Monkey> abby87: it looks like Xorg.0.log is from this failsafe boot - would it be Xorg.0.log.old, which ends in "Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting"
[12:49] <wolf_> abby87: i have a non-modified default installation only made a cross in the hardware manager of kde for the ati driver
[12:50] <abby87> Black_Monkey: hmm wait a sec
[12:50] <hipsterical> btw it's not the 1srt time that a kernel upgrade fucks up nvidia.
[12:50] <abby87> Black_Monkey: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/caught-signal-11.-server-aborting-256896/
[12:50] <wolf_> hipsterical: i never had this with nvidia
[12:51] <hipsterical> wolf: just 2 talk, maybe others have
[12:52] <abby87> wolf_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:52] <abby87> abby87: specify driverset to vesa
[12:53] <flaccid> !language | hipsterical
[12:53] <abby87> sorry wolf_:specify driverset to vesa
[12:53] <wolf_> abby87: so no reconfigure? and where to specify the driver set, but with vesa i have no acceleration?
[12:54] <flaccid> wolf_: if you want nvidia then reinstall the packages
[12:54] <abby87> wolf_: try reinstalling them for the kernel
[12:54] <wolf_> flaccid: ati, there is no need for 3d but 2d would be neccasssery
[12:54] <wolf_> abby87: how?
[12:55] <flaccid> wolf_: sorry you are on ati?
[12:55] <flaccid> the ati open source driver has 3d support too
[12:55] <wolf_> flaccid: yep, since i use linux only ati is worrying for me :/
[12:55] <abby87> wolf_: first remove them sudo aptitude remove
[12:55] <flaccid> im on ati too :)
[12:56] <wolf_> flaccid: ok and why wants ubuntu me to install fglrx
[12:56] <abby87> wolf_: then install em sudo aptitude install
[12:56] <wolf_> abby87: yes but which packages?
[12:56] <flaccid> wolf_: because its an option. if X doesn't start with a driver, best to goto a tty and check the log to see why
[12:56] <abby87> wolf_: flaccid might help you with that one... nvidia here
[12:57] <flaccid> log will always show why X doesn't start basically
[12:57] <wolf_> flaccid: i paste you the log
[12:57] <flaccid> np
[12:57] <abby87> flaccid: wolf_: btw how is ati performance in gaming as compared to nvidia?
[12:58] <abby87> sorry for being off topic
[12:58] <flaccid> average. nvidia is definately better however in the lastest nvidia drivers there is some performance bugs but yeah
[12:58] <wolf_> abby87: dont know, nvidia is great, with ati i never got good results under opensuse 10 a kernel panic... with nvidia gt6600 i have no problems
[12:59] <abby87> flaccid: i use kde4 and the nvidia drivers perform below par
[12:59] <Black_Monkey> abby87: I tried running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" like it said on that link, but it just gave a load of keyboard options, and then restarting X after gave the same result
[12:59] <abby87> flaccid: even for 8600gt .
[12:59] <flaccid> abby87: yeah that is something that the plasma devs and others discovered and its the driver for sure
[12:59] <wolf_> and i was playing only counterstrike 1.6 with opensuse, suse is crap for me
[12:59] <flaccid> abby87: yeah for all chips
[13:00] <abby87> wolf_: worst thing on suse is yast
[13:00] <flaccid> you need the -phigh option with dpkg-reconfigure to skip all the extra stuff, Black_Monkey
[13:00] <acemo> I have installed my boot stuff on my 2nd hard disk by accident. grub self is on my 1st hard disk. how can i get the boot stuff to get on the first disk too?
[13:00] <flaccid> acemo: if the mbr is fine you can just copy /boot over
[13:00] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: oh ok, well I went through the extra stuff anyway, and still nothing
[13:01] <wolf_> abby87: i hate the whole system i couldnt even compile something because the gcc version was strange dunno if it has changed but suse has died for me
[13:01] <Black_Monkey> when trying to run X, it says "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration."
[13:01] <Dr_willis> or just leave it  where /boot is at..
[13:01] <wolf_> flaccid: abby87 *.0.log http://pastebin.com/m3e5fdf9a
[13:01] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: pastebin the whole log. the warnings and errors above that are the problem for no screens found...
[13:01] <acemo> flaccid: i think the mbr is wrong, /boot/grub is on the 1st disk but atm in the bios i have to say boot from the 2nd disk, wich then loads the grub from the 1st disk or it just wont boot at all
[13:02] <abby87> wolf_: i never went past installing suse...it screwed my mbr once i remember :(
[13:02] <abby87> acemo: reinstalling grub 'might' solve the prob
[13:02] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: http://pastebin.com/m7500cc14
[13:03] <flaccid> !fixgrub | acemo
[13:03] <wolf_> abby87: bad... also what i remember is taht the perfomance was bad, windoze booted faster....here the *.10.loghttp://pastebin.com/m4e9e83
[13:03] <ibilicki> Hi guys, maybe a strange question but: I am making a party. What program would you use to play music? Something that has powerful media library capabilities (search, etc..)
[13:03] <wolf_> http://pastebin.com/m4e9e83
[13:03] <abby87> actually there is a separate kubuntu-kde4 channel ...i dont see the purpose coz most ppl with kde 4 come here
[13:03] <Dr_willis> i dont worry about boot times much when i get 3+ month of uptime btweeen reboots. :)
[13:03] <wolf_> ibilicki: under kde amarok is nice
[13:03] <abby87> ibilicki: amarok ftw !!!!
[13:04] <wolf_> it also detects ipods etc
[13:04] <ibilicki> wolf_: I am trying it out now... but I can't get the collection to display properly, in the directory order... foobar2000 has it, for example
[13:04] <abby87> ibilicki: amarok which version?
[13:04] <ibilicki> wolf_: also, it's complicated to do anything but a simple search in Amarok...
[13:05] <ibilicki> amarok 1.4.9
[13:05] <abby87> ibilicki: i guess there is no better player than amarok at the moment ..for linux i mean
[13:05] <abby87> ibilicki: amarok beta 1 is out and for help on the same pls goto #amarok
[13:06] <flaccid> wolf_: whats the problem with this X
[13:06] <abby87> wolf_: i mean i play gears of war on my windows xp and when i boot to kde 4 i get damn slow graphics ...i feel cheated ..
[13:06] <wolf_> flaccid: i have a ati card, a default hardy installation and want a driver to get more speed for videos and a 2d windowmanager (kde)
[13:07] <ibilicki> abby87: that channel seems deserted :)
[13:07] <flaccid> wolf_: then try fglrx
[13:07] <wolf_> abby87: hm so the ubuntu driver is doing good for me, perhaps your card isnt supported 100%?
[13:07] <wolf_> flaccid: when i activate it x wont start anymore till i repair it with the recovery boot
[13:07] <abby87> ibilicki: i am in it ppl surely help there
[13:07] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: pastebin your xorg.conf and lscpci | grep VGA
[13:08] <flaccid> wolf_: what is the error in the Xorg.0.log when you do that?
[13:08] <wolf_> dont know i pasted it http://pastebin.com/m3e5fdf9a
[13:08] <yeniklasor> When I play full screen flash videos on firefox, it is using all system resources and video is not playing with a good fps. How can I solve this issue?
[13:09] <Dr_willis> 'flash is an issue'
[13:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:09] <abby87> yeniklasor: wic graphic card?
[13:09] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: well I'm using the failsafe one atm, but this is the xorg.conf that won't run: http://pastebin.com/m3859d91a
[13:09] <yeniklasor> nvidia 9600 gt
[13:10] <abby87> yeniklasor: are u using propreitary drivers and kde 4?
[13:10] <yeniklasor> abby87 : I'm using kde3 and nvidia drivers
[13:10] <Black_Monkey> and the second command gives "00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] (rev a2)"
[13:10] <abby87> yeniklasor: try updating ur flash plugin
[13:11] <yeniklasor> its latest 9
[13:11] <yeniklasor> also I tried flash player 10
[13:11] <yeniklasor> It has same issue on my computer
[13:11] <acemo> theres a linux version of flash 10 already? ~goes installing~
[13:11] <Dr_willis> I go to web sites taht tell me to update to the latest... and i am using 10 beta.. :) heh
[13:12] <Dr_willis> silly sites
[13:12] <Dr_willis> and they still tell me to update
[13:12] <Dr_willis> cbs.com dosent work right with firefox under windows or linux any more for me since the site had some updates a few weeks ago
[13:12] <acemo> heard flash 10 will be able to use the gpu, so alot less heavy on the cpu :)
[13:13] <wolf_> flaccid: you got it?
[13:13] <Dr_willis> what next. the "Flash OS" ?  :)
[13:13] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: quite confused because your xorg.conf uses nvidia and the log uses nv. show the log when trying nvidia or reinstall the nvidia as the driver probably doesn't match current kernel
[13:14] <Lord_Drachenblut> acemo: but will that be so under linux
[13:14] <abby87> Dr_willis: maybe ya...but it wont crash like windows
[13:14] <acemo> Lord_Drachenblut: i hope so
[13:14] <yeniklasor> abby87 : Can you play full screen flash videos?
[13:14] <flaccid> wolf_: um yeah like i said use restricted driver to try to get better performance
[13:14] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: oh, well I guess running with failsafe uses nv, so that overwrote the log? :/
[13:14] <Lord_Drachenblut> Dr_willis: have you tried adding the user agent switcher to firefox?
[13:14] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: yes
[13:14] <abby87> yeniklasor: yes i can but i cant seem to get ur prob
[13:14] <abby87> yeniklasor: are u using restricted drivers?
[13:14] <flaccid> and failsafe from kdm has nothing to do with the driver. the driver is already loaded.
[13:15] <Dr_willis> Lord_Drachenblut,  not tried that. I did notice the flash site does work with opera under linux and windows. (well at least under windows) I need to check that again under linux
[13:15] <wolf_> flaccid: but with fglrx x doenst start anymore? whats with this ati driver, how to get this working?
[13:15] <yeniklasor> abby87 : Nvidia's drivers at www.nvidia.com
[13:15] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: I can't get to kdm, it was copying xorg.conf.failsafe into the place of xorg.conf
[13:15] <flaccid> wolf_: radeon is the ati driver, same thing. and if fglrx doesn't start anymore we need to look at the log when it doesn't start with fglrx in the xorg.conf...
[13:15] <abby87> yeniklasor: hmm
[13:15] <Lord_Drachenblut> acemo: I hope your right but if it does happen I lay odds it will probably only happen with nvidia and ati drivers
[13:16] <abby87> yeniklasor: try #flash
[13:16] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: what you need to do is enable the failsafe driver and then when X fails to start goto a tty and check the log to see the problem. checking the log with another driver etc. won't help
[13:16] <Lord_Drachenblut> Dr_willis: if you try that and it works can you let me know?
[13:16] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: sorry i mean enable the restricted driver then log at the log in a tty when it fails
[13:16] <acemo> Lord_Drachenblut: thats fine.. if your willing to use propiertry flash, why not propiertry drivers too? ^^
[13:16] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: ok, just a sec
[13:17] <wolf_> flaccid: here the xorg.0.log some days ago when x failed to start http://pastebin.com/m46147f80
[13:17] <[ifrog]> !find libgnutls.so.13
[13:18] <abby87> !kde4.1
[13:18] <abby87> !kde4
[13:18] <Lord_Drachenblut> acemo: true that it's just would be nice if it worked on more than the propeitary drivers.  and I still hope that the gnu flash will work out sometime
[13:18] <placinta> Hello. Can I get here some help a with sound issue?
[13:19] <flaccid> wolf_: that one looks like fglrx doesn't like your monitor or the modes set in the xorg.conf
[13:19] <wolf_> flaccid: my xorg.conf is now default, no entry default monitor etc...
[13:20] <flaccid> default is not restricted, so its not the same
[13:20] <acemo> Lord_Drachenblut: i think it doesn't matters if its propeitary drivers or open source as long as they have the functionality it needs
[13:21] <acemo> brb
[13:21] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: http://pastebin.com/m2b560369
[13:22] <wolf_> flaccid, so i should activate fglrx and see what happens?
[13:22] <placinta> Ever since I upgraded from Kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 my sound dissapeared. I tried deleting pulseaudio, running only with alsa, didn't works, I reinstalled all of them, still no effect. Does anyone have a clue what it could be?
[13:23] <Cabs> help i am on kubuntu, i also have gnome ubuntu studio and xfce so i have all the packages from those two, my friend is a photographer and i installed *buntu in his computer but apparently he's having trouble reading some dvds, opening some cds and opening raw files, he has some photo work he's gotto work on for tuesday so i need help
[13:23] <flaccid> wolf_: yeah. the best way to work it out is have the xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log pastebinned when it fails to start X to see whats going on. the errors i've seen so far tonight i don't know about
[13:23] <ibilicki> what does a "Full Upgrade" do in Adept?
[13:24] <wolf_> flaccid: ok i give you a fresh failed xorg.conf and xorg.log
[13:24] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: yeah yours is a hard crash. i would try installing the lastest from nvidia and failing that the beta drivers
[13:25] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: using this? http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.12.html
[13:25] <flaccid> if thats the latest Black_Monkey then yeah
[13:25] <Black_Monkey> kk thanks
[13:25] <flaccid> np
[13:25] <flaccid> i was expecting some simple video problems tonight. the errors shown so far are new to me
[13:28] <Cabs> what's a good program to open and edit raw files?
[13:28] <flaccid> Cabs: what kind of raw file?
[13:28] <Cabs> photography
[13:28] <Cabs> image files
[13:29] <flaccid> ah the panasonic format, one sec
[13:29] <Cabs> he's having trouble mounting some cds withbackups of his photos which he had burned before i installed ubuntu on his pc when it was windows
[13:30] <Cabs> like one of his cds just won't mount and the other will and then when you go through the folders, it's all empty
[13:30] <Cabs> the files that aren't suposed to be there don't show up
[13:30] <flaccid> Cabs: seems to be a pretty closed up format: http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/#i18n
[13:30] <flaccid> i guess they are gone
[13:30] <Cabs> how do you mean?
[13:30] <Cabs> how do i go about it then?
[13:31] <Dr_willis> raw type 'image' files?
[13:31] <flaccid> well i can help with the mount problem but otherwise thats about it
[13:31] <Dr_willis> you could try 'dd'ing the cd to a iso file and trying to mount it.
[13:31] <flaccid> yes, its not a standard at all
[13:31] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: installed the latest driver, and now I can hear the kde log in sound, it's probably booting ok... but the screen flashes "out of range"
[13:32] <wolf_> flaccid: ok it seems to work dunno whsy, how to see if 3d works?
[13:32] <wolf_> or which driver is used
[13:32] <Cabs> i've heard that bibble is able to read the raw files but apparently it wasn't
[13:32] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: likely a monitor or monitor config problem in xorg.conf . please pastebin xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log of this current session
[13:32] <Dr_willis> could be theres a dozen variants of raw files. :) not ever used them
[13:32] <wolf_> flaccid: in the xorg.conf fglrx ist listened
[13:32] <flaccid> wolf_: fglrxgears or glxgears
[13:33] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: of this current session? with the failsafe xorg.conf that loads?
[13:34] <flaccid> wolf_: i mean fgl_glxgears and glxgears
[13:34] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: well im a bit confused. its like your monitor doesn't like the mode, so pastebin both files before killing X...
[13:35] <Cabs> Cabs: from that page it says i have to download and install some package right? that guy's program, can i get that program from the repositories?
[13:35] <flaccid> the current xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
[13:35] <Cabs> flaccid: from that page it says i have to download and install some package right? that guy's program, can i get that program from the repositories?
[13:35] <Dr_willis> ive noticed with dvi monitors - X is much smarter now about using the right modes. :) Hurry for progress.
[13:35] <Black_Monkey> http://pastebin.com/m5189a7df <- the xorg.conf.failsafe
[13:35] <flaccid> Cabs: i couldn't see it there
[13:35] <Dr_willis> Cabs,  if the program is in the repositories.. yes..  if not.. then you have to find a .deb or the source
[13:35] <Cabs> i've never installed a program not doing sudo
[13:35] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: we are not using that but are we nor care about it?
[13:36] <Cabs> Dr_willis: is the program he talks about in that page linked to?
[13:36] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: [22:35] <flaccid> the current xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
[13:36] <Black_Monkey> http://pastebin.com/m27e5e8d2 <- Xorg.0.log
[13:36] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: sorry?
[13:37] <Dr_willis> Cabs,  i dident see any link, or program mentioned.. what program? Im not even sure of the actual problem/question.
[13:37] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: we are we using the failsafe/vesa xorg.conf? what are you trying to achieve?
[13:37] <Dr_willis> Plus i gotta go to the dentist in a few min. :(
[13:37] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: why?
[13:37] <Cabs> http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/#i18n
[13:37] <Denise> Dr willis u are evrywhere
[13:38] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: right now, I'm using xorg.conf.failsafe, as when I use the normal xorg.conf, the screen won't work
[13:38] <Dr_willis> Denise,  i run around a lot. :)
[13:38] <Denise> yep
[13:38] <Denise> u r a brain
[13:39] <Denise> ur teeth are good?
[13:39] <Cabs> Dr_willis: where it says dcraw under my code
[13:39] <Cabs> "My code"
[13:39] <logan> bande de nouille
[13:39] <nick_> how do I tell what version of X11 I'm running?  Im setting up some software and its giving me a "At least the following dependencies are missing:    X11 >=1.4.1"
[13:39] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: yes and this is not going to diagnose or fix anything. what i asked is to install the latest drivers and run them, when it fails check the log to see if you have the same error and if so try nvidia beta drivers. showing me a vesa log is pointless.
[13:40] <Dr_willis> !find dcraw
[13:40] <Denise> logan tu es mechant
[13:40] <Black_Monkey> ah ok
[13:40] <Dr_willis> Cabs,  seems its in the repo :)
[13:40] <Dr_willis> Cabs,  and a gimp add on also.
[13:40] <Cabs> ok so what do i have to do
[13:40] <Cabs> i really sorry i'm a beginner with ubuntu myself
[13:40] <logan> Denise no
[13:40] <logan> xd
[13:40] <Cabs> how do i install the decoder
[13:40] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: well it's not the same as before, I don't get the error, it's booting. however, the "out of range" comes up on the screen, so I can't see anything
[13:40] <flaccid> Cabs: hmm there you go it is in the repos so sweet
[13:41] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: this is why you press ctrl+alt+f2 and login to see the log
[13:41] <Cabs> flaccid: so what do i have to do?
[13:41] <Dr_willis> You may want to work on backing up the image files to  somewhere.. then worry about editing them...
[13:41] <Black_Monkey> ok
[13:42] <Cabs> Dr_willis: the files are already backed up, they're in cds
[13:42] <flaccid> Cabs: install it and run it i guess. i've never used it
[13:42] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install dcraw gimp-dcraw  gimp, and run gimp and have a blast....
[13:42] <flaccid> the gimp plugin would be good too...
[13:42] <Dr_willis> or use wine and some of the other tools he has on that site..  :)
[13:42] <logan> how do install one site of x ?
[13:43] <Dr_willis> I use wine and 'irfanview' all the time
[13:43] <Cabs> Dr_willis: thankyou, however there's only *buntu on this partition
[13:43] <Cabs> wine?
[13:43] <Dr_willis> Cabs,  so? You dont need a windows install to run wine/windows apps.
[13:43] <Dr_willis> !wine
[13:43] <Cabs> sudo aptitude install wine?
[13:43] <logan> !fr
[13:43] <Dr_willis> wine lets you run (some) windows apps. :) its a handy thing to learn about
[13:44] <Cabs> ok i am downloading it
[13:44] <Cabs> it finished downloading the dcraw gimp-dcraw thing
[13:45] <Cabs> Dr_willis: do you know if wine will let my friend use photoshop?
[13:45] <Cabs> it just finished installing
[13:45] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: ok, it gives this Xorg.0.log - http://pastebin.com/m558965c
[13:46] <EagleScreen> hi
[13:46] <Black_Monkey> with this xorg.conf - http://pastebin.com/m5105f610
[13:47] <Havoc][> have someone ever tried the vmware sdk?
[13:49] <Cabs> Dr_willis: i just stuck in a cd of his backups which is suposed to have some important pics for his exhibit, it's saying: mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write protected, mounting read only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0, missing codepage or helper program or other error in some cases useful info is found in syslog try dmesg try dmesg| tail or so
[13:49] <Cabs> flaccid:
[13:49] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: doesn't help. its using the nv driver with no device specified. you have to install the lastest nvidia driver from nvidia and use that and failing that try the beta driver. its using the nv open driver atm and it doesn't like it thus errors like (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[13:49] <flaccid> Cabs: goto disks & filesystems in system settings and see if you can get it to mount there
[13:49] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: oh. well I just installed the latest driver, how do I make it use it?
[13:50] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: Driver "nvidia" in section Device
[13:51] <Black_Monkey> thanks
[13:52] <Cabs> flaccid: it shows the file partitions, at the very bottom it has: Burner dvd-ram uj-85OS /media0/cdrom auto /dev/scd0 disabled
[13:52] <Cabs> filesystem's partitions and*
[13:53] <Black_Monkey> flaccid: fixed, thank you very much :-)
[13:54] <Cabs> flaccid: what does that mean? do i right click on it and then modify?
[13:56] <flaccid> Black_Monkey: coolio have fun then :)
[13:57] <flaccid> Cabs: if you have the cd plugged in, try to click enable
[13:57] <Cabs> flaccid: did that but nothing happened, it seems like disabled is just a properties type description on the same line
[13:58] <flaccid> not sure what the problem is then sorry
[13:58] <Cabs> matter of fact
[13:58] <Cabs> the button with enable
[13:58] <Cabs> is in gray, it gives not such option
[14:00] <Jampiter> Hi
[14:00] <flaccid> so when you put the cd in you don't get a prompt from hal to open it?
[14:00] <Jampiter> I have a quick question:
[14:00] <Cabs> i get a prompt to open it
[14:00] <Cabs> then when it loads the window
[14:00] <Jampiter> How do I get the wireless to work on Kubuntu? (noob :p )
[14:01] <Cabs> it's blank, as in...nothing shows and there's a popup beneath that says what i described to dr willis flaccid
[14:02] <flaccid> Cabs: sorry what was the thing you described
[14:02] <Cabs> mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write protected, mounting read only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0, missing codepage or helper program or other error in some cases useful info is found in syslog try dmesg try dmesg| tail or so
[14:02] <flaccid> Cabs: pastebin dmesg please
[14:03] <Cabs> type dmesg into a terminal and paste the output for the command dmesg?
[14:03] <flaccid> !pastebin | Cabs
[14:04] <Cabs> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41228/
[14:04] <evilmachine> hi. can anyone help me setting up my HSDPA web n walk compact III card (GT MAX) for use with kubuntu?
[14:05] <Jampiter> How do I get my Belkin wireless to work?
[14:06] <flaccid> Jampiter: throw it out the window.
[14:06] <flaccid> Jampiter: what kind of wireless are you talking about?
[14:06] <Jampiter> Belkin 54G
[14:06] <Jampiter> I think it's an RT2570 or RT2500
[14:06] <flaccid> what is the problem
[14:06] <Jampiter> ..
[14:06] <Jampiter> Whoops
[14:07] <Jampiter> I've just installed Kubuntu and I don't know how to set up the Wifi
[14:08] <flaccid> Jampiter: if you want to connect to a wireless network, there is a systray icon which you right click called knetworkmanager
[14:09] <Jampiter> Are the drivers alrealdy installed?
[14:09] <flaccid> no idea
[14:09] <Jampiter> Ok
[14:09] <Cabs> flaccid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213696 what do ido to go around this?
[14:10] <Jampiter> For some reason it's not letting me log in with my username and pass I gave it in the install
[14:10] <flaccid> Cabs: no idea
[14:11] <Jampiter> Oh, it's working now :p Thanks
[14:11] <flaccid> cool
[14:11] <Jampiter> How do I get KDE4? Is it included or will I have to Download it?
[14:11] <flaccid> !kde4 | Jampiter
[14:11] <Jampiter> Thanks :D
[14:13] <flaccid> np
[14:14] <Cabs> flaccid: from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213696 someone wrote: Using kernel version 2.6.26-3-generic from Intrepid Ibex I was able to successfully mount a LiveFS formatted CD (by Windows Vista) with it.
[14:14] <Cabs> how do i do that?
[14:14] <flaccid> !intrepid | Cabs
[14:15] <Cabs> flaccid: so i upgrade to intrepid ibex?
[14:16] <flaccid> sure can
[14:16] <Cabs> how do i do that?
[14:16] <Cabs> is there a way to just get the kernel new version
[14:17] <flaccid> Cabs: #ubuntu+1 for support. you basically change 'hardy' to 'intrepid' your sources.list and then upgrade
[14:25] <acemo> is it normal for strigi to use alot of hard disk space?
[14:27] <Cabs> flaccid: how do i open the sources.list file?
[14:27] <Manyfold> hello i have problems to get dns name resolution with freebsd running in virtual box
[14:27] <flaccid> Cabs: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:27] <acemo> cabs: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:27] <flaccid> acemo: sudo is not for gui apps
[14:28] <acemo> flaccid: it works :)
[14:28] <acemo> never had any problems with it
[14:28] <flaccid> one day you might
[14:28] <acemo> i hope so
[14:28] <Cabs> flaccid: so i only substitute "hardy" for intrepid everywhere and save?
[14:29] <flaccid> Cabs: yep
[14:29] <acemo> because so far, i just see kdesudo as being pointless
[14:30] <jpds> !kdesudo
[14:30] <miguel> hola
[14:31] <HS^> so i just download kubuntu.............
[14:31] <miguel> necesito ayuda
[14:31] <HS^> and it comes not with kde 4.1
[14:31] <HS^> why
[14:31] <acemo> !es | miguel
[14:31] <Dragnslcr> Because you have to install it
[14:31] <Dragnslcr> !kde4
[14:31] <HS^> yes so i downloaded for nothing
[14:31] <HS^> kubuntu
[14:31] <HS^> ...........
[14:31] <acemo> HS^: did you get the kde 3.5 or kde 4.0 disk?
[14:32] <HS^> 4
[14:32] <HS^> i thought it contained kde 4.1
[14:32] <HS^> i wanted to test that\
[14:32] <flaccid> !enter | HS^
[14:32] <flaccid> HS^: your thought was unfortunately incorrect
[14:32] <HS^> it says experimental and development version of kubuntu............ well then i expect kde 4.1
[14:32] <flaccid> a lot of people have unrealistic expectations
[14:32] <HS^> with big banners on kubuntu site screaming KDE 4.1
[14:33] <acemo> it contains 4.0 since that was the stable version when 8.04 came out. you can update to 4.1 tough :)
[14:33] <flaccid> indeed
[14:33] <HS^> yes its given them by other people
[14:33] <Manyfold> !virtualbox
[14:33] <Cabs> flaccid: here http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/d28576be5 is that right?  and if so what do i do next?
[14:34] <acemo> HS^: what is given who by other people?
[14:34] <flaccid> Cabs: well i can't say if all the repos are valid with intrepid, yet but it would be sudo apt-get update && sudo dist-upgrade but you really should join #ubuntu+1 for support
[14:34] <HS^> that kubuntu contains kde 4.1,  given by the people that made kubuntu's website
[14:35] <flaccid> i don't read that HS^
[14:35] <HS^> ?
[14:35] <acemo> HS^: if you did click on the big banner saying kde 4.1, you could have seen that its there to upgrade to
[14:35] <flaccid> HS^: this is the support channel. is there something about kubuntu we can help you with?
[14:36] <HS^> yea fix your site and make it clear that it does contain kde 4.0.3
[14:36] <Dragnslcr> HS^- I assume you've already been to the link that I gave you?
[14:36] <HS^> so that saves people a lot of time
[14:37] <HS^> no
[14:37] <flaccid> HS^: it looks clear to me
[14:37] <Dragnslcr> HS^- maybe you should look at it before you continue to complain and make a fool of yourself
[14:38] <acemo> HS^: when you go to the download page it clearly says kde 4, not kde 4.1
[14:38] <acemo> Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 Remix - Featuring the cutting edge KDE 4 with community support only
[14:39] <HS^> cutting edge kde 4 is at LEAST kde 4.1
[14:39] <acemo> HS^: at the time that kubuntu 8.04 came out kde 4.0 was pretty much the cutting edge
[14:40] <flaccid> HS^: says what? it has to do with the release cycle. this is normal is sdc.
[14:40] <HS^> how am i supposed to know when 8.04 came out
[14:40] <HS^> website doesnt tell me/
[14:40] <acemo> the 8 stands for 2008
[14:40] <acemo> the 04 stands for the 4th month
[14:40] <HS^> ah
[14:41] <jussi01> HS^: 1. this is not up for discussion here. 2. if you need support to get the latest "cutting edge" kde 4.1, please go to #kubuntu-kde4
[14:43] <Jampiter> Hi
[14:43] <Jampiter> Quick Q again
[14:44] <jussi01> go ahead :)
[14:44] <Jampiter> I've just started KDE3 for the first time and the resolution is 800x600
[14:44] <Jampiter> So everything is unusably large
[14:44] <flaccid> Jampiter: please pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf while in this session
[14:44] <Jampiter> How do I increase it? The slider in the system settings only goes up to 800x600
[14:44] <Jampiter> ....?
[14:45] <Jampiter> I'm not using the Kubuntu computer
[14:45] <Jampiter> because everything is enormously big and unusable
[14:45] <flaccid> best to check log first as this is a common issue
[14:45] <jussi01> Jampiter: which grafics card you have?
[14:45] <Jampiter> A prehistoric Voodoo 4
[14:46] <Jampiter> It's an old PC
[14:46] <jussi01> thats ati yeah?
[14:46] <Jampiter> Don't think so
[14:46]  * jussi01 looks
[14:46] <Jampiter> I don't know what it is
[14:46] <Jampiter> Thanks :)
[14:47] <bonaldo2000> Is there any subpixel smoothing option in kubuntu?
[14:47] <bonaldo2000> I cant seem to find it...
[14:47] <jussi01> Jampiter: try this: (from the botI)
[14:47] <jussi01> !fixres
[14:47] <Jampiter> Cheers :D
[14:47] <Dragnslcr> It's a 3dfx
[14:47] <jussi01> yeah, I noticed
[14:47] <Dragnslcr> I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't any drivers in the repositories for it
[14:48] <jussi01> the drier seems to be open, so should be in ubuntu...
[14:48] <flaccid> log will tell
[14:49] <Dragnslcr> Wow, guess I was wrong
[14:49] <Dragnslcr> !info libglide3
[14:50] <Jampiter> So.. I install that?
[14:51] <Dragnslcr> I think so
[14:51] <favro> the 386 ketrnel is needed
[14:51] <favro> *kernel even
[14:52] <favro> (Only available for i386 alpha ia64 amd64)
[14:52] <Jampiter> I don't know what  you mean
[14:52] <Jampiter> I'm a noob at this :p
[14:52] <Forke> Uups
[14:54] <ibilicki> join #amarok
[14:55] <sam__> hi, i have an ADSL modem using PPPoE
[14:55] <sam__> how do i automatically make it dialup to the ISP?
[14:57] <Jampiter> Ok, got the driver now
[14:57] <Jampiter> How do I make it work?
[14:57] <wishie> i followed some howto, on where to set KDEWM to my compiz startup script.. now i want to revert the change, but cant remember where i specified it..
[14:57] <wishie> where is KDEWM usually defined ?
[15:01] <favro> Jampiter: from ubottu's post above you need to have the i386 kernel to make it work - sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-19-386
[15:01] <Jampiter> Thanks :)
[15:02] <frybye> hi - as I connected a usb-sb-card reader I get a fault report that mount-point /media/disk does not exist.."" - what should i do exactly to correct this?
[15:03] <favro> frybye: sudo mkdir -v /media/disk  in konsole
[15:04] <frybye> thanks favro - should I safely remove the reader first...??
[15:04] <favro> yep
[15:06] <frybye> favro - thanks that seems to have done it.. what does the " -v" do???
[15:07] <wolf_> i wnated to start simple-ccsm
[15:07] <favro> frybye: gives feedback in the terminal
[15:07] <wolf_> Traceback (most recent call last):
[15:07] <wolf_>   File "/usr/bin/simple-ccsm", line 28, in <module>
[15:07] <wolf_>     import gtk.glade as glade
[15:07] <wolf_> ImportError: No module named glade
[15:07] <wolf_> but it doesnt work
[15:08] <wolf_> :/
[15:08] <wolf_> using hardy
[15:08] <bazhang> !enter | wolf_
[15:08] <dr17> hello
[15:08] <Jampiter> Ok, installed the i386 kernel
[15:09] <wolf_> ok
[15:09] <Jampiter> Now what do I do?
[15:09] <favro> Jampiter: reboot into that kernel :)
[15:09] <Jampiter> Ok :) Thanks
[15:09] <dr17> I am having a strange problem with nvidia proprietary drivers. In the Hardware Drivers window it says "No Proprietary Drivers are in use on your system" and yet allows me to check "nvidia-new" to enable it. But when I do nothing happens.
[15:09] <Jampiter> Ok rebooting now
[15:11] <Jampiter> It's booting now :D
[15:11]  * Jampiter is surprised at the quickness of booting!
[15:13] <Jampiter> Hmm... slider still only goes up to 800x600
[15:14] <favro> Jampiter: what does /etc/X11/xorg.conf look like now?
[15:15] <favro> !paste | Jampiter
[15:15] <Jampiter> Hang on a sec - the internet's broke on it
[15:16] <favro> Jampiter: it is an old card - can it go above 800x600?
[15:16] <Jampiter> It could with Damn Small Linux
[15:16] <favro> ok
[15:16] <Jampiter> It went higher than my moniter could :p
[15:17] <favro> hehe
[15:17] <wolf_> no one can help why simple-ccsm doenst start?=
[15:17] <favro> wolf_: tried the full ccsm? - I haven't used simple-ccsm
[15:18] <wolf_> favro: simple-ccsm doenst start because it cant find a "glade" module, i only want to implent emerald as window decorator
[15:19] <favro> wolf_: try alt+F2 then type   emerald --replace
[15:22] <favro> Jampiter: "<Jampiter> Hang on a sec - the internet's broke on it" - how did you get the new kernel?
[15:22] <Jampiter> It only broke after I restarted
[15:22] <Jampiter> It's a rather sketchy wireless network
[15:22] <favro> k :)
[15:23]  * Jampiter goes to the wireless box and turns it off and on again - brb
[15:23] <wolf_> favro: ok works, but how to change the skin or theme of emerald., i isnatlled the emerald package and i have only this config tool, but i cant apply, why have i to apply with a terminal ?
[15:24] <favro> wolf_: emerald comes with a theme manager - should be in your menu
[15:25] <wolf_> favro: ok when i change in the theme manager somehting it works only when i first type emerald -- replace
[15:25] <Gekone> Hi all.
[15:26] <Gekone> I've try to stop kde4, but i've an error: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/IrcLineeGuida
[15:26] <Gekone> can i do?
[15:26] <favro> wolf_: try double clicking the theme in emerald theme manager
[15:26] <wolf_> favro ok works thx
[15:26] <favro> :)
[15:27] <wolf_> favro but why does simple-ccsm not satart?
[15:28] <favro> wolf_: I don't know about glade and kde together...
[15:29] <favro> wolf_: there might be kde/compiz guides on the net
[15:31] <Gekone> i've must stop kde4 for installer nvidia's driver
[15:33] <Gekone> bye bye
[15:34] <wolf_>   File "/usr/bin/simple-ccsm", line 28, in <module>
[15:34] <wolf_>     import gtk.glade as glade
[15:34] <wolf_> ImportError: No module named glade
[15:35] <wolf_> it seems to be a kde bug simple-ccsm doesnt find glade
[15:35] <wolf_> i only use default repositories
[15:35] <wolf_> just installed ccsm
[15:36] <favro> wolf_: it is a better option :)
[15:36] <wolf_> favro: waht? asking in irc?
[15:37] <Jampiter_> Argh now my wireless LAN isn't working
[15:37] <favro> no ccsm vs simple-ccsm
[15:37] <emiliafaneite> hello
[15:38] <sfi> Hi
[15:38]  * Jampiter_ gives up for now
[15:38] <Jampiter_> Thanks for your help
[15:38] <favro> Jampiter: might be your router
[15:40] <denis> !de
[15:40] <denis> retour
[15:42] <favro> denis: type  /j #kubuntu-de
[15:42] <ghostcube> :D
[15:42] <denis> retour is not German ;-)
[15:43] <denis> I am already there, thank you
[15:43] <favro> k
[15:47] <starenka> !hi
[15:48] <starenka> any clues how to list available wireless' in konsole?
[15:48] <favro> ifconfig
[15:48] <starenka> it shows cards not hotspots, right?
[15:48] <wolf_> favro: ok works now i had to install python-glade2, but should be a bug that it is not a dependencie of ccsm
[15:51] <favro> starenka: yeh - it shows cards
[15:52]  * Dr_willis is back from the Dentist. :B) 
[15:55] <starenka> favro: iwlist ;)
[15:55] <favro> ahhh
[16:03] <starenka> can i grep "more terms" (without regexp)? f.e  cat asdsadsad | grep apple  milk  coconut
[16:03] <Artful> I want to know if it's just me who has this problem.  the columns in adept do not sort when u click the column bar
[16:04] <Dr_willis> starenka,  you mean 'apple or milk' or 'apple AND milk' ?
[16:04] <starenka> or
[16:05] <starenka> but you can also hint me the and thing
[16:05] <starenka> well i can do it with regexp, but just wanna know more simple solution
[16:06] <Dr_willis> it would be a rather simple regrexp i thought.   not sure i rember it however.. :)
[16:06] <Dr_willis> [apple|milk] ?
[16:06] <starenka> yep, but dunno how it handles new lines, etc
[16:06] <starenka> gonna read man, then
[16:06] <starenka> so i cant grep it without regexp?
[16:06] <Dr_willis> grep dosent handle newlines.. its reads each line.. prints outones that matches a pattern
[16:06] <starenka> kool
[16:07] <Dr_willis> i belive thats what my 'using grep book' said. ;)
[16:07] <starenka> Dr_willis: thanx
[16:07] <Dr_willis> some tools you just have to mess with to learn how they work
[16:07] <Denise> how u can know so many things
[16:07] <Dr_willis> regrexps is one of those things thats worth LEARNING.
[16:07] <Dr_willis> read, read, read, read.... and reread
[16:07] <Dr_willis> "_
[16:07] <sebastian_> how do i install a Deb package? i tried to press it but then the ark starts and nothing shows, and i tried to open in with the terminal and i tried with sudo and all, but it dont work. so how do i install it?
[16:07] <Dr_willis> I got a whole shelf full of the Orieally books on linux topics.
[16:08] <Dr_willis> 'buy old/clearance/used linux books.. put bookshelf in basement bathroom. eat lots of fiber... read'
[16:08] <Denise> yes but u need experience too
[16:08] <Dr_willis> With out the reading.. you aint goign to get much experience.
[16:08] <Denise> yes
[16:08] <Denise> I know
[16:08] <Dr_willis> and you read.. so you rember where to look when you do need to go back to look somthing up.
[16:09] <luiz> Alguem do brasil por aqui ?
[16:09] <arty_> hi all can someone help  I have Wine and I need install photoshop CS3 but dont work if I click on setup.exe there is loading in wine butnothing happend
[16:09] <sebastian_> it works now :)
[16:09] <Dr_willis> I got the "Orealy USing reg. expressions' book somewhere in here. :)
[16:09] <arty_> sebastian_: how
[16:09] <Denise> Orealy?
[16:09] <Fieldy> arty_: unfortunately cs3 isn't known to work well, or at all, in wine, as their appdb page says (last i checked anyway)
[16:09] <Dr_willis> O'Riealy or whatever its spelt
[16:09] <Denise> ok
[16:10] <arty_> Fieldy: so there dont work :(
[16:10] <Denise> so u are a champion of linux
[16:10] <Fieldy> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=6584 is the page
[16:10] <Dr_willis> I just read a lot.
[16:10] <arty_> Fieldy: thx
[16:10] <Denise> do you know windows as well?
[16:10] <Dr_willis> It pays to check out the  Bargin Bins at the books tores
[16:10] <Denise> hum
[16:11] <Denise> good to know
[16:11] <Dr_willis> whats to 'know' well about windows.. :) where they hid this setting or that,, or how to work around this or that annoyance.
[16:11] <Dr_willis> I Learned more about computers and networking and stuff by learning linux.. then i EVER would learn by using windows
[16:11] <Fieldy> arty_: i fought with that for a long time and ended up installing XP in virtualbox. didn't have a choice really. wish i had better news.
[16:11] <boggystudios> After installing the official nvidia kernal module the scroll feature on the side of my track pad doesn't work any more.  What controlls that?
[16:12] <Denise> so i do good to want to learn about linux
[16:12] <starenka> Dr_willis: i know how to handle regexps... ;)  imo [apple|milk] is bad... i'd ratehr use egrep "apple|milk"
[16:12] <arty_> Fieldy: so the best way is instal xp on vmware and work there?
[16:12] <Dr_willis> I tend to use perl.  some programs may need the [] in there   i forget the details.
[16:13] <Dr_willis> I just rember that some programs have different regrexp flavors. :P
[16:13] <starenka> Dr_willis: [ in general means mean class = any of these charaxcters - so no use when using word or word, am i right ? :)
[16:14] <Dr_willis> starenka,  id have to try it and see.  I just rember the  [a|b] examples
[16:14] <arty_> I have vmwre but in windows if which I have install there I cant have 1280x800 they said som x11 can support
[16:14] <starenka> Dr_willis: [a|b] will show only expression having a or b in
[16:15] <starenka> Dr_willis: more precisely, only "a" or "b"
[16:15] <Dr_willis> starenka,  if you say so.  Im lucky to rember how to do a global replacement for a pattern in vi, without checking my vi book. :)
[16:15] <starenka> Dr_willis: nvrmnd, thx for the line hint - it was the trick. you made my day :))
[16:15] <Dr_willis> its hard to rember things you only do a few times a year. :)
[16:15] <starenka> tell me :))
[16:15] <Dr_willis> but i rember where the BOOK is at on the topic!
[16:15] <starenka> hehehe. most important
[16:16] <Dr_willis> Right above my.. err... 'reading chair'
[16:16] <starenka> :))
[16:20] <arty_> someone help with vmware
[16:21] <starenka> wup
[16:21] <starenka> arty_: wup?
[16:23] <Jampiter> Hi
[16:23] <Jampiter> I have another problem
[16:23] <Jampiter> All of a sudden my wireless LAN isn't being detected by KWirelessManager
[16:23] <arty_> starenka: vsak vies aj po slovensky alebo cesky ne
[16:23] <Jampiter> It worked perfectly before but now it won't even see the network
[16:24] <Jampiter> It's not a network problem, as this computer works fine
[16:24] <starenka> arty_: yes, but this is english channel...
[16:24] <fujisan> can anyone help me please
[16:24] <Jampiter> The light on the adaptop isn't flashing like it should
[16:24] <fujisan> i want to know how i can increase performance on kubuntu with kde4?
[16:24] <fujisan> my system is 4 years old
[16:24] <fujisan> and it runs so-so
[16:24] <fujisan> i expected more from linux :(
[16:24] <Jampiter> Any ideas anyone?
[16:25] <fujisan> even server 2008 runs better than this
[16:25] <bazhang> fujisan, how much ram
[16:25] <fujisan> 1500 mb
[16:26] <bazhang> with compiz or not fujisan
[16:26] <fujisan> desktop effects are enabled yes
[16:26] <bazhang> turn them off
[16:26] <fujisan> its just yerky you know
[16:26] <fujisan> :( my pc should be able to run this without yerkyness
[16:27] <bazhang> you wanted to know how to increase speed; that is the best way
[16:27] <Jampiter> Any ideas anyone?
[16:28] <fujisan> bazhang i want desktop effects only for the screen refresh rate
[16:28] <bazhang> fujisan, you want speed dont use compiz.
[16:29] <fujisan> so you are saying compiz in kde4 isn't there yet?
[16:29] <Denise> desktop effects?
[16:29] <Dr_willis> Hmm 'desktop effects only for the screen refresh rate' dont make much sence to me....
[16:29] <fujisan> because in gnome it works like i have cores
[16:29] <Dr_willis> kde4 is VERY much a work in progress
[16:29] <fujisan> yeah dr willis
[16:29] <fujisan> i am running it now though
[16:29] <Dr_willis> there was some chatting in here earlier about how the nvidia and ati drivers are 'slower then they should be' under kde4.
[16:29] <fujisan> yeah
[16:30] <fujisan> very slow
[16:30] <fujisan> yeah i'll turn it off
[16:30] <fujisan> disabled
[16:30] <fujisan> thats better
[16:30] <Dr_willis> Im not even sure how you enable 'compiz' in kde4. since kde4 has its own eyecandy stuff
[16:30] <bazhang> get a lighter window manager fujisan
[16:30] <Dr_willis> Unless we are getting terms messed up. :)
[16:31] <fujisan> desktop effects i figure that is a form of compiz, or uses a form of compiz
[16:31] <fujisan> kwin is not good bazhang?
[16:31] <fujisan> which one would you recommend bazhang?
[16:32] <bazhang> fujisan, what cpu do you have
[16:32] <Dr_willis> technically its using 'compositing' effects. Ibelive.. its 'not' using any of the code or stuff from 'compiz'  its just a similer but newer  tool/method.
[16:32] <fujisan> amd2800 xp
[16:32] <Dr_willis> I think. :)
[16:32] <Dr_willis> i never use the silly eyecandy
[16:32] <fujisan> i disabled it yeah it's pointless in kde4
[16:33] <Dr_willis> I find it pointless in most cases. :)
[16:33] <Jampiter> I need help
[16:33] <Dr_willis> Wife hates it when i turn on 'wiggly windows' on her system
[16:33] <fujisan> lol
[16:33] <Dr_willis> 'turn them off! im going to puke!'
[16:33] <Guest39696> i want to upgrade my kubuntu
[16:33] <Denise> what is wiggly window
[16:33] <Jampiter> ...
[16:34] <Dr_willis> she did like the zoom in/maganify  feature. of compiz.. but hated most of the other effects.
[16:34] <fujisan> how do i install the gnome terminal in kubuntu?
[16:34] <Dr_willis> fujisan,  install the 'gnome-terminal' package i belive
[16:34] <fujisan> thanx
[16:34] <Dr_willis> fire up the package manager and go to town!
[16:34] <Dr_willis> I normally use konsole under gnome. :)
[16:35] <fujisan> what is gnome-terminal-data
[16:35] <Guest39696> i fetch and nothing happens
[16:35] <Dr_willis> fujisan,  just a guess... a related package...
[16:35] <fujisan> transparency on Konsole is broken for me
[16:35] <fujisan> thats why i want to try the gnome one
[16:35] <Dr_willis> with data :) proberly themes or other settings
[16:35] <bazhang> get yakuake
[16:35] <sebastian_> how can i save a document in kword so it can be opened in microsoft word? and can i fix so it can autocorrect in swedish? :)
[16:35] <fujisan> bazhang: ?
[16:35] <Dr_willis> transparent terminals.. yet another thing i found useless.
[16:35] <bazhang> !info yakuake
[16:35] <bazhang> fujisan, ^^
[16:35] <Dr_willis> yakuake is handy
[16:35] <fujisan> Dr_willis:  true but it looks so cool :)
[16:36] <fujisan> ah kewl thanks bazhang
[16:36] <christian__> hey guys
[16:36] <Dr_willis> lets make somthing LOOK good.. but actually makes it harder to use... I will pass. :P
[16:36] <Guest39696> the upgrade button fades
[16:36] <Dr_willis> night all
[16:36] <christian__> i'm new to kubuntu, what the easiest way to setup a usb printer ?
[16:36] <fujisan> bazhang:  so which other desktop manager can i use ?
[16:37] <Guest39696> is there a private conversATion channel?
[16:37] <Guest39696> newbie
[16:38] <bazhang> fujisan, there are a wide variety; you can check in adept for openbox, fluxbox, xfce4 and decide which you like best
[16:39] <Guest39696> how do i upgrade?
[16:40] <fujisan> so is there a major difference in performance between a real install of kubuntu and using wubi?
[16:40] <bazhang> fujisan, somewhat
[16:41] <fujisan> ok
[16:41] <Denise> wubi is slower no?
[16:41] <bazhang> aye
[16:41] <fujisan> slower in what way?
[16:41] <fujisan> accessing files?
[16:41] <tzd> how on earth do i upgrade to KDE 3.5.10 please? Surely it must be available as a packet? Adept only wants to upgrade my kernel and i assume it's not included in there?
[16:42] <Denise> slower than the real ubuntu
[16:42] <fujisan> oh ok
[16:42] <Denise> thats what i read
[16:42] <Denise> I dunno yet
[16:43] <Denise> I'll see soon
[16:44] <fujisan> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/02/19/wubi-or-live-cd-for-linux/
[16:45] <fujisan> i always thought it was pronounced as Wubbi :o
[16:46] <fujisan> wow that qt style thingie is really cool i dont even have to use a skin to make firefox look like kde4
[16:46] <fujisan> do i have a burnerapp in kubuntu?
[16:49] <christian__> fujisan: k3b, great app
[16:59] <b> hi
[17:00] <b> I have problem with desktop effects compiz setup. Which command should I use to configure compiz?
[17:01] <b> After installing it I can't start it
[17:03] <corigo> When running the live CD is there anyway to launch Keep (backup) with root permissions?
[17:03] <logan_> !fr
[17:03] <rickest> corigo: kdesu probably
[17:03] <b> I have problem with desktop effects compiz setup. Which command should I use to configure compiz?
[17:04] <b> I would like to have nice 3D desktop can u give advice ?
[17:05] <abby87> b: try kde 4.1 with kwin effects
[17:05] <sebastian_> kde 4 dont have the best desktop effects
[17:05] <stdin> b: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion#Configure
[17:06] <corigo> rickest: that seemed to work, at least it launched a new instance of Keep, but it is not listing my mounted drives in the new window. I can still navigate to the mounted drives throught the system folders, can I Not?
[17:06] <b> abby87 & stdin thanks guys!
[17:06] <abby87> b: ;)
[17:07] <b> abby87: I'm newbe in Linux so.. ;-)
[17:08] <abby87> b: i'm a newbie in kubuntu we're on the same side of the world ;)
[17:10] <b> abby87: everything is so difficult but very impressive and I already love this system :>
[17:13] <abby87> b: i see kde4 as a potential mac killer
[17:14] <corigo> Can I navigate to a mounted drive in the local file system?
[17:14] <b> abby87: do I have kde4 now? I just installed ubuntu 8.0
[17:14] <b> 8.04
[17:14] <abby87> yes i do
[17:15] <rickest> corigo: I'm not familiar with Keep but my expectation would be that it sees mounted drives just like mounted anything elses
[17:17] <corigo> rickest: The original window saw the mounted drives, but when the kdesu keep window launched the mounted drives are listing
[17:18] <rickest> corigo: 'kdesu keep' is what I meant.  You use kdesu to launch keep as root
[17:19] <corigo> Which I did, with the result that the new window doesn't see the mounted drivesw
[17:34] <fujisan> hello
[17:34] <fujisan> anyone here?
[17:37] <arty_> what you need?
[17:37] <Denise> I m here
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[17:37] <i> yes
[17:38] <quentin> hello there
[17:39] <quentin> Does anyone know how to make knetworkmanager and pptp vpn plugin to work?
[17:40] <quentin> I've google it and the only reasonable solution were to apply a patch which was made for version 0.2.x (don't remember the exact version but it's not the current one) and to install the gnome package
[17:41] <quentin> which is not really convenient since I don't want all the gnome libraries to show up
[17:52] <sluckz> quentin: i found something from my local lug!
[17:53] <sluckz> https://lug.wsu.edu/wireless/pptp/ubuntu
[17:53] <sluckz> ah sorry didnt read it all.
[17:56] <JackWinter> i've gotten very used to konquerors tabs and have many sites open constantly.  is there a way to store these "sessions" so that i can open them again later ?
[18:01] <corigo> JackWinter: use opera
[18:02] <JackWinter> corigo: i like konqueror :)
[18:02] <corigo> JackWinter: Opera is the only browser I know to store sessions
[18:03] <JackWinter> corigo: ok, might try it but since i've started using konq i've really fallen in love with it, and it's a cornerstone of my enviroment...
[18:04] <kayrick> Народ кто подскажет как в akregator настроить автоматическое удаление прочитанных новостей?
[18:04] <Carnage\> Da.
[18:07] <kayrick> ниужели никто не подскажет?)
[18:07] <Tm_T> !ru | kayrick
[18:07] <kayrick> Ok
[18:08] <kayrick> Can anybody tell me how to make akregator delete new I have read
[18:08] <kayrick> ?
[18:08] <kayrick> *new==news
[18:15] <djdarkman> hello
[18:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> Ok, so..lets try this again. Kde3.5 Clock, won't switch to AM/PM standard time.
[18:30] <corigo> Trying to backup one hard drive to another from a Live CD. Any suggestions?
[18:33] <therion_> Hi, how can i use Oxygen theme in compiz? the default theme is plastik..
[18:36] <extacy> Hello
[18:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> !compiz
[18:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> !backup
[18:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> heh..
[18:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> !clock
[18:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> :(
[18:37] <fujisan> Sixofour|Sleep: how can i use a different destop manager, instead of kwin?
[18:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> do you mean like KDE or Gnome?
[18:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> not sure what you mean by desktop manager
[18:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> !desktopmanager
[18:38] <therion_> Sixofour|Sleep: i'm not using Kde 3.xx but 4, sorry for my english
[18:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan: try sudo apt-cache search desktop manager
[18:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> look trhough the results you see for one that suits your needs
[18:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install <app you want>
[18:39] <therion_> in poor words: "kde-window-decorator --style Oxygen --replace" return to me an error, this theme doesn't exist, but in kwin works
[18:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> !compiz | go to the channel at the end of my text therion_ [nice band btw]
[18:40] <therion_> ok thanks for info
[18:41] <fujisan> Sixofour|Sleep:  i meant windows manager sorry my system locked up
[18:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> then try this" sudo apt-cache search windows manager
[18:41] <fujisan> yeah i want to replace kwin its painfully performance wise
[18:41] <fujisan> even worse than vista
[18:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan you on kde 4 or 3.5?
[18:41] <fujisan> 4
[18:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde4 is slow because its buggy
[18:42] <fujisan> yeah
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> i just switched back to 3.5
[18:42] <fujisan> painfully
[18:42] <fujisan> i cant
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> if i were you id get 3.5
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> sure you can
[18:42] <fujisan> i installed kubuntu with kde4
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> yes, type this in:
[18:42] <christian__> fujisan: which gpu ?
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[18:42] <fujisan> ati radeon 9600 xt its old but has 256 vid mem
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> that will give you kde3.5 it will need 373 MB
[18:42] <fujisan> so that cant be it
[18:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> then logout and chose kde3.5 from the session menu
[18:43] <fujisan> ok
[18:43] <fujisan> and will it replace kwin?
[18:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> no, it won't replace kde4 [what is kwin?]
[18:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kwin
[18:43] <fujisan> kwin k windows manager
[18:43] <fujisan> !window manager
[18:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> you will have kde3.5 and 4..though they together don't take up much space
[18:43] <Tm_T> kwin is the program handling windows in KDE
[18:43] <fujisan> apt-cache search understand window manager that bot is terrible
[18:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> its a bot :D
[18:44] <fujisan> it should have search
[18:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> !intelligence
[18:44] <christian__> fujisan: kde4 or 4.1 ?
[18:44] <fujisan> !search window manager
[18:44] <fujisan> !search fujisan
[18:44] <Tm_T> !find kwin
[18:44] <fujisan> haha
[18:44] <fujisan> sorry
[18:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kwin4
[18:44] <fujisan> !abuse | fujisan
[18:45] <fujisan> lol
[18:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> Tm_T he is probably on KDE4
[18:45] <fujisan> yeah i am
[18:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> hes having same problems i had
[18:45] <fujisan> its too slow
[18:45] <bazhang> best to /msg ubottu
[18:45] <christian__> fujisan: kde4 or 4.1 ?
[18:45] <fujisan> bazhang:  you are too late i already told myself
[18:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; logout ; select KDE4.5 or "default" [which ever you set] ; ??? ; win
[18:46] <ieroglif> hi all. i have kubuntu 8.04 in laptop. i have 2 partitions in NTFS with data but i can't mount them cuz i have to make checkdisk. wich utility can make chkdsk for ntfs?
[18:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> !chkdsk
[18:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> !checkdisk
[18:47] <bazhang> Sixofour|Sleep, /msg ubottu please
[18:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan: KDE3.5*
[18:47] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: it's windows programm . linux?
[18:47] <bazhang> Sixofour|Sleep, ie /msg ubottu info packagename
[18:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh, maby um qtparted has a checkdisk like utility?
[18:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> i know bazhang
[18:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> i made it public so thet he would see the results
[18:48] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: qtparted?
[18:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> qtparted is a partitioning program for linux
[18:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> it comes with KDE
[18:48] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: thnx. i'll try
[18:48] <fujisan> hmz werd Konsole doesnt do transparency, but gnome-terminal does
[18:48] <fujisan> can i also install gnome Sixofour|Sleep?
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> konsole is old school
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> probably, but ive never installed it
[18:49] <fujisan> lol
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> so i don't know the command
[18:49] <fujisan> too bad kde4 is lacking
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> you can apparently have as many desktop environments as you can fit on your hardrive
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde4 is like..beta
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[18:49] <fujisan> i only have 5 gb :/
[18:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde3.5 is 373MB..i dobut gnome is much bigger
[18:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> you can probably remove kde4 after you get 3.5, but i am unsure how
[18:50] <Elda> Aside from the drivers listed on the repository, where would I go about getting drivers for nvidia cards? :s  Am on my laptop (has a go 7900 gtx)  and at least in Windows I've been using modified drivers from laptopvideo2go
[18:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> to conserve harddrive space
[18:50] <bazhang> ubuntu-desktop and all it pulls in is quite a bit larger than that
[18:51] <fujisan> yeah kde4 is terribly slow i like the UI though
[18:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> i got ubuntu deasktop, it was 373MB
[18:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> yesterday
[18:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> megabytes
[18:51] <bazhang> kde3 and ubuntu-desktop are both the same size?
[18:51] <fujisan> seems like kde4 is forcing people to get dual core and stuff
[18:51] <corigo> Sixofour|Sleep: Not sure what any of those items have to do with working from a Live CD
[18:52] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: no.. parted can't work with ntfs =(
[18:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> um, corigo what was your issue again?
[18:52] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: other ideas?
[18:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> qtparted should be able to work with ntfs
[18:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> well
[18:52] <ieroglif> No Implementation: Support for opening ntfs file systems is not implemented yet.
[18:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> your trying to checkdisk an ntfs drive??
[18:52] <corigo> Backup while using a Live Cd
[18:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> you can't copy info from one drive to another with live cd?
[18:53] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: i need to do checkdisk for ntfs partition from linux
[18:53] <corigo> Copy is failing, claiming that certain files are larger than the allowed by their file type
[18:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm not sure how, only way i know is to boot from a windows boot cd and then run chkdsk
[18:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> corigo ive never heard that, i am afraid i won't be much help then
[18:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> maby someone in #ubuntu ?
[18:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> if no one else comes forward in this channel
[18:55] <fujisan> Sixofour|Sleep:  is it possible to use bluetooth headsets in kubuntu?
[18:55] <corigo> I've been at this for 5 days and still have no answers on either IRC channel
[18:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> !nvidia | Elda
[18:55] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: fsck.ntfs is not exist =( and this solution http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsck not work
[18:55] <fujisan> !bluetooth | fujisan
[18:55] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: ok. not good idea, but i'll try
[18:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> :S
[18:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> dunno what else, i'm not exactly a linux exprt, so most questions that arn't simple, fly passed me
[18:56] <appletree> hi2all
[18:56] <fujisan> i can just use gnome and skin it like kde4
[18:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> hello :)
[18:57] <fujisan> and it'll be 10x faster
[18:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan kde is not just a window theme
[18:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> its a whole set of apps and stuff
[18:57] <fujisan> yeah well a system with both environment has both sets of apps also
[18:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> file manager, brwoser, write utilities, sound etc etc
[18:57] <fujisan> i know all that
[18:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> yeah
[18:57] <fujisan> but you can use all those apps under gnome also
[18:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> i suppose, but you only got 5G of space
[18:58] <fujisan> yeah true
[18:58] <fujisan> i installed via wubi thats why
[19:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> wubi?
[19:01] <fujisan> !wubi
[19:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> ah
[19:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> i just formatted my drive and slapped kubuntu into the cd drive
[19:01] <fujisan> yeah well i wont do that until i thoroughly test it since this is beta
[19:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde 4.1 is newer than kde4, they say it runs better, but i dohn't trust that idea yet :D
[19:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde3.5 runs great
[19:02] <granmike> HOLA
[19:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> id just get that
[19:02] <fujisan> how do i know if i have kde4.1 ?
[19:02] <granmike> WHAT
[19:02] <fujisan> i mean how can i tell
[19:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> !es | granmike
[19:03] <granmike> COMO INSTALO APLICACIONES EN KUBUNTU
[19:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> go to an kde app, and go to he4lp then "about kde"
[19:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> like daolphin for example
[19:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> dolphin
[19:03] <fujisan> ok ty
[19:04] <granmike> OK
[19:04] <fujisan> i have kde 4.0.3 how can i upgrade to 4.1 ?
[19:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> not sure onn that actually
[19:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kde4.1
[19:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kde4
[19:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> btw fujisan this channel is for kde3.5 :D
[19:05] <fujisan> yeah i discovered that the same time you did
[19:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> i discovered it yestersday
[19:06] <fujisan> well i am about to get kde3.5 and many of the apps i run are kde 3.5 since there are no kde4 equivalents yet
[19:06] <fujisan> :)
[19:06] <fujisan> thanks
[19:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[19:07] <wesley_> i wanna test the bots
[19:07] <atalante> helo - hola
[19:08] <wesley_> !yourarestupid
[19:08] <atalante> something to help me ?
[19:08] <wesley_> i wanna test ubottu
[19:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> !abuse | wesley_
[19:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> heh
[19:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> didn't do what i expected
[19:10] <atalante> something know about kde ?
[19:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> something know about kde?
[19:11] <atalante> ...
[19:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> i am asking what do you mean?
[19:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kde
[19:13] <atalante> i try to login to kde
[19:14] <atalante> the login is ok, but go back to de screen login
[19:14] <atalante> i see de Xorg log and i not have error
[19:16] <Elda> Not sure if went through as I disconnected, but as I asked earlier:S "Aside from the drivers listed on the repository, where would I go about getting drivers for nvidia cards? :s  Am on my laptop (has a go 7900 gtx)  and at least in Windows I've been using modified drivers from laptopvideo2go"
[19:19] <slow-motion> hi
[19:21] <exception> Anyone can help me about a broadcom   board problem?
[19:24] <grempus> hey
[19:25] <grempus> I put in a cd and Dolphin automounted it but I can't figure out how to access it from the command line
[19:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> root/cdrom/ ?
[19:29] <christian__> grempus: go to command-line and type mount
[19:29] <Bauldrick> grempus: isn't it somewhere like /media/cdrom0
[19:29] <christian__> grempus: that shows you where it got mounted
[19:29] <grempus> hmm I think my machine is hosed somehow
[19:29] <grempus> it says it's on cdrom0 but when I go there it has nothing in it
[19:29] <grempus> and if I try to unmount it it says it is busy
[19:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> !nvidia | Elda
[19:30] <Elda> yes I've read of envy and how it's a last ditch tool :S
[19:30] <grempus> I'll try rebooting it
[19:30] <grempus> I might have to just reinstall
[19:30] <Elda> Thank you though for the suggestion :s
[19:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> what is wrong with the restricted nvidia drivers [doesn't nvidia have native linux?]
[19:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> the ones in the repository
[19:37] <Elda> the ones in the repository are somewhat buggy no?
[19:38] <Elda> At least when Im using open office my gui goes wonky
[19:39] <motma> list
[19:44] <beata|desktop> I picked up an Internet PhoneJack card recently, looking for information about it. The company, and most of the websites listed in the VoIP howtos, seem to be gone. Might any of you guys know where else to look?
[19:51] <AcidUk> any help with syslog
[19:51] <chetanska> hey people....total newbie here....can someone help me with puppy 2.17?
[19:52] <AcidUk> syslog is recieveing logs from my other devices but is not sending them to the designated file
[19:54] <chetanska> I"m having problems with an old puppy linux...can someone help solve simple issues?
[19:55] <AcidUk> fire away not sure if will be able to help, but linux is linux
[19:55] <chetanska> yea...well...here's where I'm at...
[19:55] <ulusoy> slm.
[19:56] <chetanska> I got puppy 2.17 and it's running fine....and installed...just can't figure out how to make it boot itself without the disk
[19:57] <chetanska> in other words, I don't know how to get the bootloader on the hardrive in the boot sector
[19:57] <eamon> when you are downloading apps from the konsol where is it downloading them from
[19:57] <pim> chetanska version 4.0 offers that automatically
[19:57] <chetanska> the default repos
[19:58] <chetanska> version 4.0 won't run on this old machine
[19:58] <pim> then it must be really old
[19:58] <pim> but let's see
[19:58] <chetanska> 166mhz/308ram
[19:58] <chetanska> don't ask about the ram math
[19:58] <pim> 308?
[19:58] <chetanska> bad chip but still more usable than the smaller one I have
[19:59] <pim> probably a 512 chip but the motherboard only accepts 308
[19:59] <chetanska> I got three chips in it but one of them tests out partially
[19:59] <pim> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[20:00] <AcidUk> when u where installing it. did you select boot from MBR or logical drive
[20:00] <pim> maybe that'll help you
[20:00] <AcidUk> as it should be mbr
[20:00] <AcidUk> Master Boot record
[20:00] <chetanska> hmmm
[20:00] <chetanska> don't remember for sure
[20:01] <chetanska> that must be it
[20:01] <chetanska> stick around and I'll try it...I'm chatting through my ubuntu machine and the other's right next to it
[20:01] <AcidUk> cool
[20:02] <chetanska> I use the puppy universal installer to put it on the IDE ata drive right?
[20:02] <pim> yeah
[20:02] <AcidUk> any1 know anything about syslog
[20:02] <chetanska> ok...i'm not sure of the diff between ata sata and the other one
[20:03] <pim> if it's old it is a pata (ata/ide) drive
[20:04] <Jampiter> Hi, I have a quick Q
[20:04] <Jampiter> I've just installed KDE4, but for some reason it's using the KDE3 window manager and borders
[20:04] <Jampiter> How do I fix this?
[20:05] <pim> first you go to #KDE
[20:05] <pim> and there you ask again
[20:05] <Jampiter> Oh, thanks
[20:05] <eamon> if i want to update java what is the apt command
[20:06] <AcidUk> as far as I now u need to sun web site and download the source and recompule irt
[20:06] <AcidUk> recompile
[20:06] <chetanska> ok...I've got two IDE's in it and I"m not sure which is the boot sector....is there a quick way to find out?
[20:07] <eamon> turn off computer and unplug one
[20:07] <AcidUk> when installing it should tell u
[20:08] <AcidUk> normally ide1
[20:08] <chetanska> ok...that's where I'm screwing up
[20:09] <Jampiter> How do I remove KDE3?
[20:10] <fujisan> can i get some help with this bluetooth stuff does it work for kubuntu
[20:10] <chetanska> it's copying files now and it never asked me about the mbr
[20:11] <AcidUk> yes bluetooth should be fine
[20:11] <Jampiter> Anyone?
[20:11] <AcidUk> Chetk> sounds like it auto detected ide1
[20:12] <chetanska> there' s another application called grub bootloader config......do I have to configure the bootloader separatly with this version or something?
[20:12] <AcidUk> I use grub
[20:12] <pim> Jampiter try using adept or synaptic
[20:12] <Jampiter> Ok
[20:12] <AcidUk> defaults should be fine
[20:13] <Jampiter> Thanks :)
[20:13] <chetanska> perhaps I should reformat both drives and configure the bootloader before installing
[20:14] <chetanska> Q....how do I know which file system is the best one to use for this old dinosaur?
[20:14] <pim> I don't know
[20:15] <pim> I think you'd best ask on ubuntu forums
[20:15] <pim> ext2 is better for older systems than ext3 I think
[20:15] <AcidUk> ext2 or ext 3 should be fine
[20:15] <chetanska> I'm trying this with ext2....but you're probably right...it seems a little sluggish
[20:15] <AcidUk> lol yea
[20:16] <chetanska> thanks acid...what about for a much faster machine like a 2.6Ghz 512RAm machine?
[20:17] <AcidUk> go 4 ext3
[20:17] <chetanska> the old Windowsxp I had on it ran NTFS
[20:17] <AcidUk> its more stable
[20:17] <chetanska> it's running ext3 now
[20:17] <chetanska> actually dual drives with dual boot
[20:18] <chetanska> hence dual file systems
[20:18] <chetanska> damn...the dinosaur froze up....lol
[20:18] <chetanska> it's an old compaq deskpro 2000 that was running windows95 (sort of) and dying fast
[20:19] <chetanska> I wanna give it to my friend who's computer illiterate before monday
[20:19] <AcidUk> wots the spec again
[20:19] <chetanska> 166Mhz/308Ram
[20:20] <AcidUk> install dam small linux
[20:20] <chetanska> about 20G hd between the two of them
[20:20] <AcidUk> or mandrake or Fedora older versions
[20:20] <chetanska> Why dsl...puppy 2.17 runs fine on it....I just need to figure out how to install the thing
[20:21] <AcidUk> DSL has a very small foot print
[20:21] <chetanska> I had trouble locating the download url for the older mandrake versions
[20:21] <AcidUk> so is it reinstalling
[20:22] <chetanska> very small footprint, but will it work as well as puppy...? and will it run a printer/scanner/webcam/cd burner?
[20:23] <chetanska> no, it froze up....but I swear it runs fine on this machine
[20:23] <chetanska> I'm just not installing it right
[20:24] <AcidUk> make sure all jumpers are correct on the drives
[20:24] <AcidUk> ie: ide1 master ide2 slave
[20:24] <chetanska> did that
[20:24] <AcidUk> M$ is not too fussy
[20:24] <chetanska> they read fine....they mount fine
[20:25] <chetanska> I just rebooted and it's loading the kernel from the disk again
[20:25] <chetanska> haha....you have to tell it to start x
[20:25] <AcidUk> format both drives and insure no partitions are active. then reinstall
[20:26] <chetanska> that's what happened....the one partition witht the mbr was active
[20:26] <chetanska> You're right...I'll have to reformat..................(AGAIN!)
[20:26] <chetanska> I have to use xvesa for this old graphics card
[20:27] <AcidUk> dose it ask u to repartition or format while installing
[20:28] <chetanska> no,..just asked if I want to wipe out the files that were on it or upgrade them
[20:28] <fujisan_> lol
[20:29] <fujisan_> lol
[20:29] <fujisan_> lol
[20:29] <AcidUk> plonk in a msdos disk and fdisk the lot
[20:29] <chetanska> don't laugh, I've been using microsoft all my life up until last month
[20:30] <AcidUk> hehe
[20:30] <chetanska> na...I can use the gparted in puppy
[20:30] <chetanska> I'd say I'm learning pretty fast
[20:31] <fujisan_> hi
[20:31] <chetanska> I was bold enough to wipe out both machines and clean them of micro crap's internet extortionist software
[20:31] <AcidUk> very nice
[20:31] <chetanska> I started this project without a clue and wiped out xp on a wing and a prayer
[20:31] <AcidUk> stop M$ two years ago
[20:32] <AcidUk> Mac Osx, Redhat and Kubuntu
[20:32] <ghostcube> ^^
[20:32] <chetanska> I just wish it was easier to get voice chat, webcam, and dvd players working with this thing, but I love ubuntu
[20:33] <ghostcube> chetanska: webcam is easier todays
[20:33] <chetanska> it took me two days to get the damn dvd player to work and it still glitched badly
[20:33] <ghostcube> hmm u have all codecs installed ?
[20:34] <ghostcube> btw what dvd player are u running
[20:34] <ghostcube> ^
[20:34] <chetanska> not now....I started over from scratch....this time I installed a bunch of stuff that I think is causing conflicts with other software
[20:34] <sourcemaker> konqueror crashs when open a flash page... what's wrong?
[20:34] <fujisan_> i left huh
[20:34] <fujisan_> why am i still here then
[20:34] <chetanska> I've tried all the dvd players....vlc, totem, and a couple others...
[20:35] <AcidUk> i cant get VLS to work niether so dont panic
[20:35] <Ramblurr> Hm, when I login via KDM, KDM quits to console and I have to login there even though I have selected a KDE session in kdm
[20:35] <chetanska> I had vlc working a month ago on another machine and it worked much better than the others
[20:36] <sourcemaker> join #kde
[20:36] <chetanska> but I had to figure out all the codecs to uninstall from the others to keep out of conflict
[20:36] <chetanska> I'll give micro crap the credit for making it that way
[20:37] <muadd> hi, i am installed Ubuntu in my acer 5720 (replacing win32), and i have a trouble, the fan of chassis is not working (just work in the boot moment, after stop), how can i activate the fan ? the machine is shutdowning without a previously warning, and i think that is because the heat not disipatd
[20:37] <chetanska> friggin corporate lawyers and their control on our laws and government
[20:37] <favro> Ramblurr: !ot
[20:37] <fujisan_> favro
[20:37] <fujisan_> my little pal
[20:38] <favro> oops Ramblurr are the vid drivers setup?
[20:40] <favro> fujisan_: hi, I'm not that little :)
[20:40] <fujisan_> wow its werd man all i need to do an os is change the wallpaper to my own one and its like the same os :O
[20:41] <fujisan_> i am from the 60s
[20:42] <logan_> !fr
[20:43] <logan_> !fr
[20:43] <chetanska> ok...puppy's loaded for the third time and I finally got a graphics setting that works but it's a white background
[20:43] <logan_> !fr
[20:43] <logan_> !fr
[20:43] <logan_> powa
[20:43] <Ramblurr> favro: yes, because after i login via console i can startx and KDE works fine
[20:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> !multiplexer
[20:47] <sourcemaker> !flash
[20:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> bot died
[20:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> RED ALERT
[20:48] <chetanska_> I"m making a partition for /home.....should that be extended, primary, or logical partition?
[20:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> est3 i think
[20:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> ext3
[20:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> but don't quote me on that
[20:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> afk
[20:49] <chetanska_> that would have to be a primary drive yes?
[20:49] <favro> Ramblurr: if instead of startx you typed sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart the console should show error and give a clue
[20:50] <Ramblurr> favro: hm ok i'll give that a try
[20:50] <Ramblurr> favro: oh wait, starting KDM isn't the problem
[20:50] <Ramblurr> KDM starts fine
[20:50] <Ramblurr> it's after i enter my pass and hit enter
[20:50] <sourcemaker> !flash
[20:50] <Ramblurr> favro: and it only does it for a certain user
[20:50] <chetanska_>  I"m making a partition for /home.....should that be extended, primary, or logical partition?
[20:51] <AcidUk> ext
[20:51] <chetanska_> I'm guessing primary ext2. Can I get a yes or no?
[20:51] <favro> Ramblurr: ohh - after the console login if kdm login fails and you back to console there will be useful output there
[20:51] <chetanska_> thanks
[20:51] <chetanska_> extended?
[20:51] <AcidUk> yea
[20:52] <chetanska_> thanks....almost did it wrong
[20:52] <ghostcube> why extended
[20:52] <ghostcube> :|
[20:53] <favro> it could be eithee - as long as there aren't 4 primary ones already
[20:53] <favro> *either
[20:53] <chetanska_> something's wrong....it split up the partition and left half of it unallocated
[20:53] <lufthanza> which init.d script controls NetworkManager?
[20:53] <favro> networking
[20:54] <AcidUk> ext3 should be fine / or 2
[20:56] <sourcemaker> how can I setup the default java runtime for konqueror?
[20:56] <favro> !java
[20:56] <favro> !lag
[20:56] <lufthanza> networking does not control NetworkManager
[20:57] <eamon> aptitude search java
[20:57] <favro> lufthanza: what are you trying to achieve?
[20:57] <lufthanza> i did 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop', and yet i'm still talking to you
[20:58] <lufthanza> favro: my laptop fails to shutdown some times due to networkmanager failing to shut down before dbus
[20:58] <lufthanza> shutdown process stalls and I have to poweroff by holding the power button
[20:58] <HailandKill> Is there a way of assigning the LiveCD more temporary space?
[20:58] <favro> one min :)
[21:01] <lufthanza> i have gotten a 100% chance of shutting down so far by killing networkmanager before shutting down. I am trying to reorder the way my laptop shuts down in order to stop having these locking up during shutdown issues
[21:02] <lufthanza> I think it has something to do with me having an nfs share mounted
[21:05] <favro> lufthanza: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/138691 - seems to be dbus
[21:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> ubottu is down
[21:09] <lufthanza> favro: is there any clean way to shut NetworkManager down in ubuntu (other than 'killall NetworkManager')? I can fix this problem for myself with a quick hack to the dbus and hal scripts, but I would like a nice way to put NM down.
[21:12] <favro> lufthanza: does it happen with reboot?
[21:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i enable universe/multiverse in apt-get?
[21:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> what command, if it is a single command
[21:12] <favro> !repos | Sixofour|Sleep
[21:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm helping someone else btw
[21:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> bot is broke
[21:13] <favro> there's no bot !
[21:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> i know !
[21:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> all linux knowlage is gone
[21:13] <favro> Sixofour|Sleep: I manually edit my sources.list file for that
[21:14] <fujisan_> favro
[21:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh, is there a guide i can give someone?
[21:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan chan
[21:14] <fujisan_> favro is there a new konversation, can i use konversation for kde4 in kde3.5?
[21:14] <fujisan_> hi Sixofour|Sleep
[21:15] <lufthanza> favro: yes
[21:16] <fujisan_> lufthanza:  ;0
[21:16] <fujisan_> wie gehst?
[21:16] <favro> Sixofour|Sleep: there should be something like application-system-software sources   in the menu - not using kde atm
[21:16] <favro> fujisan_: there would be diff dependancies I would think
[21:17] <fujisan_> oh i have both kdes installed
[21:17] <fujisan_> so that should take care of that
[21:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> how is kde3.5 going?
[21:17] <fujisan_> good
[21:17] <fujisan_> runs great thanks
[21:22] <fujisan_> i cant believe it's running so well only the gnome apps i install well certain anyways dont playback audio so is that, because, gnome apps need different codecs?
[21:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> that might be wrong
[21:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> that will givwe you lots of media compatibility
[21:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> btw, kde4 doesn't recognize volume buttons, kde3.5 does o.O
[21:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there a palce to report bugs for kde4?
[21:25] <nihl> Hi, I'm having a stereo problem with my computer. I have 2 speakers, the right speaker is attached to the computer and the left is attached to the right one. When I play any type of audio the left speaker never plays anything and when I put it up to my ear the only thing I get is fuzz, any help would be appreciated.
[21:25] <drkguy> Hi!
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> sounds like your speaker is broken?
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> kubuntu can't effect the signal to your elft speaker
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> left*
[21:26] <drkguy> How can i make dpkg-reconfigure a package following it's dependencies?
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats your right speaker
[21:26] <nihl> I'm not running kubuntu
[21:26] <nihl> just ubuntu 8.04
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> your in #kubuntu
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> anyways, the os wouldn't effect that
[21:26] <nihl> yeah, I'm running konquest
[21:27] <nihl> didn't think so
[21:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> do the speakers both work elseware?
[21:27] <nihl> I'll test it out
[21:27] <nihl> my cables look fine
[21:27] <Drk_Guy> !sound
[21:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> bot is dead
[21:27] <Drk_Guy> Hmmm...
[21:27] <Drk_Guy> lol
[21:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> and so is any hope for more thqan basic knowlaedge..it scares me
[21:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> :(
[21:27] <Drk_Guy> :)
[21:28] <nihl> well, at least I know it isn't the OS
[21:28] <nihl> thank you Sixofour
[21:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> np :D i'm an electronic musician lol
[21:28] <nihl> even though you are asleep apparently
[21:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[21:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> the copmputer only sends an audio signal, no data or anyhting [well, its data, but you know]
[21:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> ananlouge signal
[21:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> unless your speakers are usb?
[21:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> are they usb? lol
[21:29] <nihl> yeah, I was thinking it was set to mono
[21:30] <nihl> no it's analog
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> even mono would play in both speakers
[21:30] <nihl> color-coded green
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> it would just be really weird
[21:30] <nihl> it bothers me
[21:30] <nihl> I feel like I'm deaf from my left ear
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> i think it might just be the connection between your elft and right
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> mine are like that
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> do you have a subwoofer?
[21:30] <nihl> no
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> ah
[21:30] <YippMN> i'm tring to get kppp working for a friend whos gonna try kubuntu but can't seem to get it to query the modem , and suggestions?
[21:31] <nihl> the speakers came with the computer
[21:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> id just get new speakers then, you can get a pair for dirt cheap, because it seems its your speakers are broken
[21:31] <nihl> yeah, I always wanted 5.1
[21:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> i got two speakers and a subwoofer from creative labs for 40 dollars
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> and i use those to produce on
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, i also have a 40$ pair of headphones
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[21:32] <nihl> I think I'm gonna switch them out with my sister's speakers
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol maby she won't notice :D
[21:33] <nihl> they're the same and she just blasts her music so that the neighbors can hears
[21:33] <nihl> hear it*
[21:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm blasting Filteria right now :D
[21:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> Goa Trance fits with Linux very well.
[21:37] <nihl> 6o4: what headphones would you recommend?
[21:38] <AcidUk> any 1 knw about remote syslog
[21:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, mine are from Behringer
[21:38] <nihl> how's Bose?
[21:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> HPS5000
[21:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> never tried theirs
[21:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> it depends what you end them for
[21:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> if your just lsitening they don't ened to be uber good, if your producing they need to be good, if your mastering tracks they need to be uber
[21:39] <nihl> I'd probably want a headset
[21:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> with a mic?
[21:39] <nihl> but I don't want them to be craptastic either
[21:39] <nihl> yeah
[21:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> spend more than 20 bucks and they [likely] won't be craptastic
[21:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> berhinger, korg are nice comapnies
[21:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> yamaha
[21:40] <nihl> well, I'll keep those names in mind
[21:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm not much of an expert on hardware however, you can try #alsa
[21:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> i am sure someone is alsa klnows more about headphones
[21:41] <nihl> thanks again
[21:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> alsa is linux sound channel basicly btw :D
[21:41] <fujisan_> i still need help with bluetooth is it really impossible to use a bluetooth headset on kubuntu?
[21:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> bluetooth headset?????
[21:42] <ghostcube> fujisan_: impossible ?
[21:42] <fujisan_> yeah
[21:42] <fujisan_> i did some google queries
[21:42] <fujisan_> seems like there are only failures
[21:44] <AcidUk> i use bluetooth with kubuntu
[21:44] <AcidUk> a little dongal for my mobile phone
[21:45] <AcidUk> al is fine
[21:45] <Drk_Guy> AcidUk: Kandy?
[21:47] <AcidUk> just the standard that comes with Kubuntu
[21:47] <AcidUk> works brill
[21:48] <AcidUk> same as my MAC
[21:48] <Drk_Guy> lol
[21:49] <Drk_Guy> AcidUk: You should try kandy
[21:49] <Drk_Guy> It's really nifty, and it allows you to send commands directly to your phone
[21:50] <fujisan_> can someone please help me with blue tooth?
[21:51] <fujisan_> !blue tooth
[21:51] <Drk_Guy> fujisan_: bot is dead
[21:51] <favro> fujisan_: what brand is the headset?
[21:51] <fujisan_> oh
[21:51] <Drk_Guy> fujisan_: but what is your problem?
[21:51] <fujisan_> i want to use my blue tooth headset with kubuntu
[21:52] <fujisan_> dont know how exactly and if it is even possible
[21:58] <fujisan_> wow
[21:58] <fujisan_> lol
[21:58] <fujisan_> blue tooth doesnt work on linux huh :/
[21:58] <fujisan_> and people wonder why people still use windows
[21:59] <fujisan_> its because windows supports the peripherals i buy
[21:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> i bet i can fidn your answer in google, watch
[21:59] <fujisan_> no i have been reading for several hours
[21:59] <Fieldy> fuji is a troll many times over, he does this in many channels. he also evades bans.
[21:59] <Drk_Guy> fujisan_: linux has a really good bluetooth stack
[22:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> OMG: http://nexthing.wordpress.com/2007/08/13/bluetooth-headset-with-ubuntu-skype-and-voip-applications/
[22:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> :p
[22:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> first result
[22:00] <Fieldy> like i said ;p
[22:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> try that, if it doesn't work, i'll google something else
[22:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> you have 3 google chances
[22:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> and funny part is, i hate using google
[22:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> or search engines in general
[22:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> which is why i have irc
[22:13] <rickest> we have a standing rule at work.  if you interrupt me with a question I can answer in a single google search that you understand, top 5 results, lunch is on you.  Improved research ability around here tenfold  :)
[22:26] <Soulgain> Hi. I would like to disable taskbar launch notification for executed programs. Where is the option to disable such a thing?
[22:26] <Soulgain> I use many terminal apps/scripts to do work at the background, but because of it, I end with a full taskbar for some seconds.
[22:29] <Soulgain> Uhm, hello? Did I arrive in the middle of an IRC split?
[22:39] <badkitty> Im having trouble installing kubuntu, I have tried both the alternate and desktop versions... Basically there is no desktop
[22:56] <jaakkome> Is there an easy way to move my home directory to another partition?
[22:57] <jaakkome> actually it could be nice to have my home directory be an partition of its own
[22:58] <fujisan_> !gpg
[22:58] <fujisan_> ok where is the keychain on kubuntu?
[23:02] <Dragnslcr> jaakkome- you can have a separate partition mounted to /home
[23:07] <badkitty> Kubuntu is pissing me off
[23:11] <andreas__> I'm having some truble unrar'ing multiple .rar archives,  can anyone point me in the right direction?
[23:12] <rickest> define "trouble".  you're getting errors, they're not extracting where you want, they're blue instead of red?
[23:13] <andreas__> Well, i need a spesific guide...     " unrar -x <filename>
[23:13] <badkitty> Im having trouble getting kubuntu installed with a desktop. I tried both the alternate and desktop versions, both either drop to a console, or freeze at running local scripts
[23:13] <andreas__> .rar doesent seem to work
[23:14] <rickest> unrar x name_of_file.rar
[23:14] <rickest> l
[23:15] <andreas__> Thanks, have no ide why i put the "-" there in the first place -.-
[23:16] <rickest> andreas__: that's the normal way to do it, not sure why they don't  :)
[23:16] <rickest> andreas__: the other trick is if you're unraring multiple files, you have to escape or quote wildcards:  unrar x \*.rar
[23:17] <moo_cow> is kde4 going to be default in the next kubuntu?
[23:17] <andreas__> aah
[23:17] <badkitty> Any reason for kubuntu not to load a desktop either in the livecd or install (both alternate and desktop version?)
[23:17] <rickest> badkitty: if you can get to a shell, /var/log/Xorg.0.log might contain clues
[23:18] <andreas__> rickest: doesent seem that logical to me, but thanks for the help;D
[23:18] <rickest> andreas__: I agree, definitely abnormal
[23:18] <rickest> badkitty: although on a LiveCD, all bets are off on the actual path to that log
[23:18] <AcidUk> andreas__> unrar -c *.rar
[23:18] <AcidUk> andreas__> unrar -c *.rar
[23:18] <AcidUk> andreas__> unrar -x *.rar
[23:18] <AcidUk> sozz
[23:19] <moo_cow> anybody know????
[23:19] <badkitty> rickest: It said something about not finding any x screens before ..?
[23:21] <rickest> badkitty: I'm guessing that's because it can't find/load your video drivers.  you might try boot options that limit the display to VGA or something reasonably simple.  I'm guessing here
[23:22] <badkitty> rickest: Yeah I tried that already ...
[23:22] <rickest> badkitty: gotta be frustrating but I just don't know much about the boot CD, sorry
[23:24] <joseph_> Hello everyone!! Can someone tell me what's going on here.
[23:27] <ROKEIT0608> here
[23:46] <andreas__> How do u mount my external HDD?  It's a ntfs partition.
[23:49] <starenka> !mount
[23:49] <starenka> !DiskMounte
[23:49] <starenka> !DiskMounter
[23:50] <andreas__> thx
[23:52] <starenka> andreas__:  in general it goes like sudo mount -t cifs -o iocharset=utf8,user=guest,pass=,noperms /what /where
[23:54] <andreas__> hmmm
[23:55] <andreas__> Cant seem to find it anywhere but "lsusb":S
[23:55] <Alex135> well im finally reinstalling Kubuntu, it compleetly forgot everything about who it was and what hardware it had... :(
[23:56] <andreas__> starenka: Cant seem to find the hdd anywhere but "lsusb":S
[23:59] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I just upgraded to the 2.6.24-19 kernel.  When my computer starts up my internet services don't start.  This has happened before.  Any ideas why?
[23:59] <Alex135> your computer may have forgotten who it was like mine did when i updated the kernel
[23:59] <Alex135> im reinstalling on my desktop now
[23:59] <Alex135> it forgot ALL its hardware