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JazzvaHello. asac told me that this should be the place to inform about problems with a build machine. It seems that yellow build machine is failing https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/yellow/+history01:08
mwhudsonJazzva: i just saw that on an internal channel, so i think the problem is known01:09
Jazzvamwhudson, ok.01:09
mwhudsonnot my area at all when it comes to fixing, unfortunately01:09
cyberixHow do you state with Launchpad status that "this bug is not a bug in this product, but some problems in this product are caused by that bug in some other product for which the bug is also filed"01:40
spmcyberix: my 2c: I guess it depends on your intent in reporting the bug. Are you alerting the 1st project in question that there is a problem? - in which case I'd use comments much as you've done in your question here. ???01:46
wgrantDid somebody just redesign the person page again?05:24
wgrant...................05:26
wgrantWhy can I edit other people's locations and timezones?05:26
wgrantI am now going to confuse the hell out of everybody and flip their timezones by 12 hours. Brb.05:27
wgrantI shouldn't be able to view the page, let alone have permission over the Person to actually edit it.05:28
LaserJockfunky05:30
* LaserJock plops wgrant in NZ05:30
wgrantI wouldn't have tried to do it, but the page suggests it's intended.05:31
wgrantAh, I see it's even linked from the person page.05:31
wgrantRiiiiiiight.05:31
wgrantI wonder what other attributes I can mangle.05:31
jmldid the font size just shrink?05:32
wgrantIt did.05:33
wgrantI noticed that a couple of hours back.05:33
wgrantMust have been the last rollout.05:33
wgrantAnd it has done other very strange things.05:33
* jml sads05:33
RAOF_It might take my internet that long to actually _load_ LP.05:33
mwhudsonyou can change someone else's location until they set it themselves05:33
mwhudson(this was not my idea fwiw)05:33
wgrantI can edit LaserJock's timezone.05:34
wgrantThis disproves that theory.05:34
LaserJockI haven't set my location via the map yet though05:35
wgrantWhy should I be able to edit a person just because they haven't edited themselves?05:36
LaserJockfreaky, when I click on the map it's centered on my town05:36
wantokwhy do we need a map >.<05:36
LaserJockI wonder if they know something ... :-)05:37
mwhudsongeoip!05:38
mwhudsoni think05:38
wgrantI suppose that Google Maps is needed so that LP pages can take even longer to load.05:38
wgrantAlthough they are tending towards infinity already.05:38
wantokwgrant: that was sort of my vibe, yeah.05:38
wantokwonder if the icons for 'most active in' are meant to be that far away o_005:40
wgrantI doubt it.05:40
LaserJockwhat happened to "Most Active In"?05:40
wantokthe icons are about 20cm away from the text05:40
wgrantSomebody removed the limitation on table width, I guess.05:41
wgrantI was wondering what this new list of projects was, then I noticed the icons hiding at the edge.05:41
wantokmwhudson: ah yes, geoip. i guess the maps only 2000km wrong for me ;)05:41
mwhudsonit probably puts me in auckland05:42
mwhudsonyeah, that's only about 500km out05:43
LaserJockmine was within probably 10km05:44
wantokwantok: my ISP is based 2000km away in WA, so in as much as they got their IP corrct, it was right. just not close to me.05:44
wantokand having just used 'update' on my time, it hasnt stuck :O05:44
wgrantwantok: Blurgh, do you have enough nicks?05:45
wantokwgrant: only just05:45
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* wgrant heads home, wondering what other horrors will have appeared by the time he gets there.05:46
* kgoetz gives wgrant a cloak of +4 optomism05:47
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=== geser_ is now known as geser
thekorn_livehi, the font style and size of comments changed on edge,09:27
thekorn_liveis this change intended or just temporary rendering issues09:27
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geseris it normal that edge offers me to set the location for persons who didn't yet? (I didn't try out what happens after clicking on Update)10:42
wgrantgeser: I complained about this earlier.10:43
wgrantIt is apparently intentional.10:43
wgrantIt is particularly odd, as I can stuff up everybody's timestamps easily.10:43
wgrantWell, anybody who doesn't realise that they need to set it themselves.10:44
geserand the security warning about unauthenticated content is also bugging10:46
wgrantAnd the Google resources polluting LP pages seems odd.10:46
wgrantAnd it's slow.10:46
wgrantAnd pops up NoScript warnings.10:46
elmowgrant: errm, do you have a time ref for that conversation?10:48
elmonm, found it10:49
elmowgrant: I don't see anyone specifically telling you it was intentional?10:50
elmo(that you could edit other peoples)10:50
wgrant14:33:39 < mwhudson> you can change someone else's location until they set it themselves10:54
wgrant14:33:46 < mwhudson> (this was not my idea fwiw)10:54
wgrantThat indicates that it was somebody else's idea.10:55
wgrantWhich indicates that it is intentional.10:55
wgrantelmo: ^^10:55
elmowgrant: that's a bit of a leap, IMO10:57
elmoI'm filing a bug on it; it's obviously broken and/or wrong10:57
wgrantI don't see how it could be accidental.10:58
intellectronicaelmo: afaik that's intentional. it's worth asking salgado-afk when he wakes up, though, he should know.11:01
wgrantIt is a nice misfeature.11:01
elmointellectronica: intentional or not, it's still broken and wrong11:01
intellectronicai tend to agree. and filing a bug is a way of asking a question.11:02
thekornoha, Is it intentional that I'm allowed to change the location/timezone of every user?11:57
wgrantthekorn: See the past couple of bouts of conversation.11:58
thekornwgrant: ok, thanks found it12:00
wgrantAnd elmo's bug.12:00
thekornmaybe someone with privileges should raise importance of this bug12:04
wgrantelmo could have, I'm sure, but it would seem more appropriate to wait for a Foundations person to look at it.12:05
thekornwow this can also be changed with the API, it seems12:09
wgrantthekorn: I couldn't do it earlier.12:10
wgrantthekorn: latitude and longitude seem to be read-only.12:10
thekornwgrant: I think the values hve to be json encoded12:11
thekornlet's try12:12
* geser wonders how long it takes till the first person is located in antarctica :)12:15
thekornok, fortutatly launchpadlib is broken there, but it's working with raw POST request12:25
wgrantDoes it respect the permissons that the UI seems to enforce (ie. one can't write to the attributes if they've been set by the user)?12:27
thekornwgrant: I don't see this restrictions in the UI on edge,12:30
thekornI'm able to update the information even for people who already set their location12:30
thekorn(did not try it, but the update button is accesible)12:31
wgrantthekorn: What about on ~wgrant?12:31
wgrantIt is the latitude and longitude that seem to matter, not the timezone.12:31
thekornwgrant: ok, can't change via UI12:32
wgrantThat's what I thought.12:32
wgrantTry to mutate it via API POST?12:32
* Hobbsee blinks12:33
thekornwgrant: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized, so seems to be 'ok'12:34
wgrantAh, good.12:34
wgrantNot even a 403. I'm impressed.12:34
* wgrant blinks at Hobbsee.12:35
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Hobbseei'd not realised that the launchpad team *so* *very* bored12:38
Hobbseeshrinking font size, spreading icons away from the text they belong to, so it covers the entire page width, and maps, which anyone can edit, and which directly slow launchpad down too?12:39
Hobbseewas drinking banned, or something, and this was the result?12:40
mohbanahi, i'm not trolling, but why does bzr always come last when compared to hg and git? http://pyside.blogspot.com/2008/08/quick-hgbzr-timings.html12:42
wgrantmohbana: That would likely be a better question in #bzr.12:43
wgrantBut I might suggest that it is because it is slower.12:43
wgrant(under those workloads, at least)12:43
* Hobbsee puts stevenk in ireland.12:43
* Hobbsee looks for someone else to place12:43
Hobbseeseems that we can't edit those who have already been done12:43
Hobbseepity, as i tried to put dholbach into india.12:44
* Hobbsee notes this is also another ubuntu developer stopping contributing, directly due to launchpad.12:46
wgrantIndeed. That I was disappointed to see.12:46
sorenHobbsee: Huh?12:48
Hobbseesoren: huh to which?12:48
soren11:46:07  * Hobbsee notes this is also another ubuntu developer stopping contributing, directly due to launchpad.12:48
sorenWhat does "this" refer to?12:49
Hobbseesoren: you didn't see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-August/004606.html ?  You responded to the bug.12:49
soren11:46:07  * Hobbsee notes this is also another ubuntu developer stopping contributing, directly due to launchpad.12:49
Hobbseethis == the new changes12:49
sorenWhoops.12:49
sorenSorry about that last paste.12:49
sorenHobbsee: Ok. You were just talking about the mapping thing, and I thouht that had scared someone off.12:50
Hobbseesoren: no, although i doubt that'll give performance improvements, and i'd not like to think of the effects of that - although I expect it would only happen on the people page.12:51
Hobbseesoren: i meant the changes globally, mentioned a few lines up12:51
Hobbsee(to clarify :) )12:51
Hobbseehey mpt!12:54
mpthey hey12:54
wgrantHmm.12:55
wgrantIs the comment input expander link meant to now be green?12:55
mptyes12:55
wgrantNo other link is.12:55
wgrantAnd visited links are also a strange colour.12:56
mptThat's because Launchpad has few other links yet that do anything other than go to a new page12:56
mptbut it will have more soon12:59
wgranthttps://edge.launchpad.net/~motu/+map seems to have an awful lot of useless information.13:00
wgrantIt gives me a list of people that it doesn't have the information for (how's that useful?), and gives a list of non-unique times.13:00
wgrantThat is rather odd.13:00
mptIt gives me an error alert13:14
mpt"Some parts of this page will be loaded over an insecure connection"13:14
andrea-bsmpt: bug 26222013:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262220 in launchpad "Maps are sent via HTTP" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26222013:15
andrea-bsmpt: ah, you have already found it :)13:16
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=== salgado-afk is now known as salgado
james_wHi, is it possible to delete a milestone, or at least move it to another series?13:47
wgrantsalgado: Why can't I add email addresses, GPG keys, IRC nicks, Jabber IDs to other people?13:49
Hobbseewgrant: oh, that sounds like a good colaboration feature - new ways to upload!13:50
thekornleonardr: hi, I've got a launchpadlib question: len(<collection>) is always maped to 'total_size' of this collection, right?14:08
leonardrthekorn, yes14:08
thekornleonardr: ok, thanks, then len(launchpad.people) is broken, it returns 5014:09
thekornbut I think it is more a bug in launchpad than in launchpadlib14:09
leonardrthekorn: actually, we changed what launchpad.people does14:09
leonardri didn't think we'd changed it so much that len(launchpad.people) would be 50, but i know what happened14:10
leonardrdo you need to know the number of people or are you just testing things?14:10
leonardrthekorn: basically, launchpad.people was very expensive (and calculating total_size was a big part of the expense) and we couldn't think of any use cases for it that didn't involve spamming14:11
leonardrso we changed it to give the 50 people with the highest karma14:12
thekornleonardr: no, I just was confused, and tried to understand how I can get a total number of elements in general14:12
thekornbut, I do not actually need it now14:12
leonardrthekorn, cool14:12
leonardrif someone actually needs that kind of thing we'll revisit it14:12
thekornthanks for your explanation, it makes sense14:12
dholbachnevermind... just found out that the bug is already reported14:35
mohbanawhen is launchpad going to be opensourced?14:38
mohbanawhen is the next oscon to be precise?14:48
Hobbseebased on when the 2008 and 2007 ones were, july.14:50
* Hobbsee stabs.14:51
Hobbsee (Error ID: OOPS-971ED119)14:51
emgenthello.14:52
Hobbsee (Error ID: OOPS-971EC123)14:52
emgenthow we chan change images in maps profile ?14:52
Hobbseeemgent: click on them.14:52
Hobbsee (Error ID: OOPS-971EA131)14:52
Hobbsee (Error ID: OOPS-971EC125)14:52
* Hobbsee sighs at launchpad.14:52
emgentHobbsee: if i click on them i cant change it :)14:53
Hobbsee (Error ID: OOPS-971EB144)14:53
emgentHobbsee: good debug work :)14:53
Hobbsee (Error ID: OOPS-971EB145)14:53
Hobbseeemgent: probably because someone's already placed you.14:53
Hobbseeso, how are we supposed to view what teams people are a aprt of now?14:54
StevenKSo, apparently, I live in Ireland.14:55
* Hobbsee grins evilly.14:55
Hobbseeyes.14:55
Hobbseethere's a "Set location and time zone14:56
Hobbseebeneath the map, it appears.14:56
Hobbseemaybe it only shows for people who's map you've set.14:56
Hobbseeemgent: looks like you'll have to find whoever put you in the current location, and ask them to change it.14:59
andrea-bsemgent: does https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editlocation work for you?15:05
andrea-bsoops, I missed "edge": https://edge.launchpad.net/people/+me/+editlocation15:06
emgentandrea-bs: yeah15:20
emgenthttps://edge.launchpad.net/~emgent/+editlocation work fine15:20
emgentlp "stable" release dont have this plugin15:20
matsubaraHobbsee: that's likely to be bug 261915. salgado is fixing it.15:30
ubottuBug 261915 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/261915 is private15:30
Hobbseematsubara: oh good.15:32
ScottKIs that bug supposed to be private?15:32
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geserHobbsee: how is the weather in antarctica? :)15:40
Hobbseegeser: cold.  windy :)15:40
geserHobbsee: sounds like a good place to cool down when LP upsets you to much15:44
Hobbseegeser: no - when that happens, i stop using it for a while, more or less, and hope it gtes saner.15:49
lagahas it worked so far?15:55
OgMacielhi there! could someone lend me a hand? I would like to proprose one of my blueprints/spec for the next UDS15:57
intellectronicaOgMaciel: sure, how can i help?16:00
OgMacielintellectronica: I don't see an option to add it to UDS16:00
intellectronicaOgMaciel: url?16:00
OgMacielhttps://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/translation-workflow-and-notification-system16:00
dholbachit would be https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/translation-workflow-and-notification-system/+linksprint but the next UDS is probably not registered in LP yet?16:02
OgMacielhmmmm16:02
intellectronicaOgMaciel: doesn't look like the next UDS is registered in LP yet16:02
OgMacielthere were only 2 items available16:02
intellectronicaOgMaciel: let me check16:03
OgMacielgotcha16:03
OgMacielthanks intellectronica and dholbach16:03
jordi_hola hola hola!16:03
dholbachhi jordi_16:04
jordi_where's kiko?16:04
jordi_woa commander holbach is here16:04
jordi_should I be able to link a bug to a blueprint, or does this need special lp privs?16:08
jordi_if I should, I don't think the ui is very discoverable16:08
jordi_ah, found16:09
jordi_you can from the blueprint -> bugreport, but not the other way16:09
intellectronicaOgMaciel: i hear that it will be registered sometime next week. i'll let you know when it happens16:10
OgMacielmuch appreciated intellectronica16:10
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s-corphi guys, can I get some assisatance on the deletion of a project?17:14
intellectronicas-corp: sure. just file a question with the request and it will be reviewed (and executed) by an LP admin as soon as possible17:15
s-corpthanks, intellectronica :)17:16
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=== salgado-lunch is now known as salgado
vadi3How can I make it so that Launchpad will send me an email whenever a new blueprint is registered? (same way it does with bugs)18:39
intellectronicavadi3: you can't (yet)18:41
vadi3Alright. Any possible eta?18:41
vadi3Would "bzr launchpad-login larkin-dischai" be the proper syntax for this guy (https://launchpad.net/~larkin-dischai) to login?18:48
matsubaravadi3: yes18:49
vadi3matsubara: here's what he gets though: "$ bzr launchpad-login larkin-dischai18:51
vadi3bzr: ERROR: [Errno 0] Error"18:51
vadi3Ah yes18:52
vadi3ssh troubles. got it18:52
matsubara>> Launchpad weekly meeting in 6 min in #launchpad-meeting18:54
james_wHi, is it possible to delete a milestone, or at least move it to another series?18:58
matsubarajames_w: it's possible to mark it as inactive.18:59
james_wmatsubara: that would be good for a different one, but I made a mistake and I'd like to correct one18:59
matsubara>> Come join us in the weekly Launchpad meeting: #launchpad-meeting19:00
james_whow do I mark one inactive?19:00
james_wah, got it19:02
matsubarajames_w: change details in the milestone overview page19:02
gustavonareaHi. I'd like to know if I get a wiki for my project or a place to host static files. Is this possible?19:36
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LaserJockgustavonarea: there are some good 3rd party places, I don't think Launchpad does webhosting presently19:38
gustavonareaLaserJock: ok, thanks =)19:39
rexiumHi, I just got an upload (after building sucessfully) failure on my ppa, and am an LP beta tester. Could someone have a look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17147264/w12OJDuwCmtjCUx3qo6X0MX2WcA.txt (the traceback) and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17147266/upload_703579_log.txt and tell me if it is worth filing a bug over?21:17
geserrexium: libffado-doc is missing a Description in debian/rules21:23
rexiumwhoops21:24
rexiumgeser, odd that the amd64 binaries uploaded fine though21:24
geserrexium: libffado-doc is an arch:all package which are only build on the i386 buildd21:25
rexiumahh21:25
rexiumthanks21:25
rexiumfixing now21:25
ftai have a package stuck at debian/rules clean on all builders: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building21:27
gesercprov: ^^^21:29
cprovfta: let me check21:31
ftacprov, just updated my chroot, i see it too now. dpkg-buildpackage───fakeroot───rules───xulrunner-1.9.1───run-mozilla.sh───xulrunner-bin.  There's a xulrunner-1.9.1 --gre-version call in my rules file. it used to work fine, now, it's blocking on something. this is bad.. something changed in the toolchain21:39
cprovfta: ok, which means I can safely kill your builds, right ?21:40
ftacprov, yes, please. i'm investigating locally.21:41
cprovfta: okay, doing that.21:41
cprovfta: in fact, you can do it in a better way. could you please delete the sources involved ?21:42
ftacprov, ok, will do21:43
cprovfta: all sorted.21:49
ftacprov, found the root cause, it's an upstream change21:51
ftacprov, "/usr/bin/xulrunner-1.9.1 --gre-version" is fine, but "fakeroot /usr/bin/xulrunner-1.9.1 --gre-version" blocks forever21:54
cprovfta: lovely :-/, at least, you can reproduce the problem locally.21:55
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=== DasIch_ is now known as DasIch
superm1hi guys. what happened to launchpad fonts today?  everything is suddenly a lot harder to read22:10
superm1(at least on edge - that's what i'm normally on)22:10
gesersuperm1: edge got a new rollout, check the bugs22:13
superm1ah that would probably explain it22:14
mizipzorproblems with the staging server?22:34
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mizipzoranyone awake? :p22:41
s-corpin what time interval does staging.launchpad.net reset the changes?22:43
mizipzors-corp: you can connect to the staging server?22:47
s-corpmizipzor, not right now, because I suppose it's being synced to the main site... just wondering when does it start and how long it takes to complete the operation22:49
s-corp<s-corp> mizipzor, not right now, because I suppose it's being synced to the main site... just wondering when does it start and how long it takes to complete the operation22:52
mwhudsons-corp, mizipzor: it's back22:53
mizipzors-corp: i see... so thats may be why i cant connect to it... to bad, i was really eager to try it out22:53
mizipzors-corp: oh! thx22:53
s-corp:)22:53
NCommanderIs there some way to make Launchpad not mail back your OWN comments when you comment on a bug?23:19
mizipzorNCommander: hehe, that sounds like a great feature23:33
NCommanderI already flooded ten peoples inboxs with the amount of bugs I'm resolving on backports23:33
NCommanderI would like to remove the filter rule that deletes my own emails23:33
NCommanderAnd is there some sorta delay going on with karma on edge? I'm not getting any for the bug work I'm doing23:34
jmlNCommander: karma is calculated daily iirc23:34
NCommanderok23:34
NCommanderso it just hasn't happened yet23:34
jmlNCommander: not sure about not getting your own bug mail.23:34
jmlNCommander: most likely.23:34
NCommanderI just feel its kinda redundant.23:35
NCommanderI know what I wrote already ;-)23:35
jmlit's kind of like honor in earlier versions of wow.23:35
jmlNCommander: I generally don't mind it too much, since I kind of like being able to search for stuff I said from my mail client.23:36
NCommanderI would still like an off switch for it23:37
jml*nod*23:37
* soren very much likes that he gets his own comments back in an e-mail23:40
sorenI prefer to do all my bug work by e-mail, and having my own comments around for reference is just very convenient.23:41
jmlNCommander: a quick skim of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs?field.tag=email says that no similar bug has been filed.23:41
sorenIt's certainly been discussed before. I'm surprised there's no bug about it.23:41
* NCommander files a bug23:42
jml:)23:42
sorenhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/54823:42
soren?23:42
sorenVery much related.23:42
jmlthat's a small number23:42
sorenThat's what she said :(23:42
jmlNCommander: don't file a bug.23:42
sorenbug 54823:43
NCommanderToo late23:43
NCommanderDamn it23:43
sorenbug 12345623:43
* NCommander marks it a dup23:43
jmlNCommander: that's ok, you'll get karma for marking it as a dupe :)23:43
* soren kicks ubottu23:43
jmland email.23:43
NCommanderBug #123:43
NCommanderSeems ubottu is broken23:43
soren:(23:43
jmlnot broken, resting.23:45
jmlor maybe broken. so hard to tell with these contraptions.23:46
soren"No, sweatheart, that cat on the side of the road isn't dead. It's just sleeping."23:46
sorenHeh..23:46
soren"sweatheart"23:47
jml:D23:49

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