[01:08] <Jazzva> Hello. asac told me that this should be the place to inform about problems with a build machine. It seems that yellow build machine is failing https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/yellow/+history
[01:09] <mwhudson> Jazzva: i just saw that on an internal channel, so i think the problem is known
[01:09] <Jazzva> mwhudson, ok.
[01:09] <mwhudson> not my area at all when it comes to fixing, unfortunately
[01:40] <cyberix> How do you state with Launchpad status that "this bug is not a bug in this product, but some problems in this product are caused by that bug in some other product for which the bug is also filed"
[01:46] <spm> cyberix: my 2c: I guess it depends on your intent in reporting the bug. Are you alerting the 1st project in question that there is a problem? - in which case I'd use comments much as you've done in your question here. ???
[05:24] <wgrant> Did somebody just redesign the person page again?
[05:26] <wgrant> ...................
[05:26] <wgrant> Why can I edit other people's locations and timezones?
[05:27] <wgrant> I am now going to confuse the hell out of everybody and flip their timezones by 12 hours. Brb.
[05:28] <wgrant> I shouldn't be able to view the page, let alone have permission over the Person to actually edit it.
[05:30] <LaserJock> funky
[05:30]  * LaserJock plops wgrant in NZ
[05:31] <wgrant> I wouldn't have tried to do it, but the page suggests it's intended.
[05:31] <wgrant> Ah, I see it's even linked from the person page.
[05:31] <wgrant> Riiiiiiight.
[05:31] <wgrant> I wonder what other attributes I can mangle.
[05:32] <jml> did the font size just shrink?
[05:33] <wgrant> It did.
[05:33] <wgrant> I noticed that a couple of hours back.
[05:33] <wgrant> Must have been the last rollout.
[05:33] <wgrant> And it has done other very strange things.
[05:33]  * jml sads
[05:33] <RAOF_> It might take my internet that long to actually _load_ LP.
[05:33] <mwhudson> you can change someone else's location until they set it themselves
[05:33] <mwhudson> (this was not my idea fwiw)
[05:34] <wgrant> I can edit LaserJock's timezone.
[05:34] <wgrant> This disproves that theory.
[05:35] <LaserJock> I haven't set my location via the map yet though
[05:36] <wgrant> Why should I be able to edit a person just because they haven't edited themselves?
[05:36] <LaserJock> freaky, when I click on the map it's centered on my town
[05:36] <wantok> why do we need a map >.<
[05:37] <LaserJock> I wonder if they know something ... :-)
[05:38] <mwhudson> geoip!
[05:38] <mwhudson> i think
[05:38] <wgrant> I suppose that Google Maps is needed so that LP pages can take even longer to load.
[05:38] <wgrant> Although they are tending towards infinity already.
[05:38] <wantok> wgrant: that was sort of my vibe, yeah.
[05:40] <wantok> wonder if the icons for 'most active in' are meant to be that far away o_0
[05:40] <wgrant> I doubt it.
[05:40] <LaserJock> what happened to "Most Active In"?
[05:40] <wantok> the icons are about 20cm away from the text
[05:41] <wgrant> Somebody removed the limitation on table width, I guess.
[05:41] <wgrant> I was wondering what this new list of projects was, then I noticed the icons hiding at the edge.
[05:41] <wantok> mwhudson: ah yes, geoip. i guess the maps only 2000km wrong for me ;)
[05:42] <mwhudson> it probably puts me in auckland
[05:43] <mwhudson> yeah, that's only about 500km out
[05:44] <LaserJock> mine was within probably 10km
[05:44] <wantok> wantok: my ISP is based 2000km away in WA, so in as much as they got their IP corrct, it was right. just not close to me.
[05:44] <wantok> and having just used 'update' on my time, it hasnt stuck :O
[05:45] <wgrant> wantok: Blurgh, do you have enough nicks?
[05:45] <wantok> wgrant: only just
[05:46]  * wgrant heads home, wondering what other horrors will have appeared by the time he gets there.
[05:47]  * kgoetz gives wgrant a cloak of +4 optomism
[09:27] <thekorn_live> hi, the font style and size of comments changed on edge,
[09:27] <thekorn_live> is this change intended or just temporary rendering issues
[10:42] <geser> is it normal that edge offers me to set the location for persons who didn't yet? (I didn't try out what happens after clicking on Update)
[10:43] <wgrant> geser: I complained about this earlier.
[10:43] <wgrant> It is apparently intentional.
[10:43] <wgrant> It is particularly odd, as I can stuff up everybody's timestamps easily.
[10:44] <wgrant> Well, anybody who doesn't realise that they need to set it themselves.
[10:46] <geser> and the security warning about unauthenticated content is also bugging
[10:46] <wgrant> And the Google resources polluting LP pages seems odd.
[10:46] <wgrant> And it's slow.
[10:46] <wgrant> And pops up NoScript warnings.
[10:48] <elmo> wgrant: errm, do you have a time ref for that conversation?
[10:49] <elmo> nm, found it
[10:50] <elmo> wgrant: I don't see anyone specifically telling you it was intentional?
[10:50] <elmo> (that you could edit other peoples)
[10:54] <wgrant> 14:33:39 < mwhudson> you can change someone else's location until they set it themselves
[10:54] <wgrant> 14:33:46 < mwhudson> (this was not my idea fwiw)
[10:55] <wgrant> That indicates that it was somebody else's idea.
[10:55] <wgrant> Which indicates that it is intentional.
[10:55] <wgrant> elmo: ^^
[10:57] <elmo> wgrant: that's a bit of a leap, IMO
[10:57] <elmo> I'm filing a bug on it; it's obviously broken and/or wrong
[10:58] <wgrant> I don't see how it could be accidental.
[11:01] <intellectronica> elmo: afaik that's intentional. it's worth asking salgado-afk when he wakes up, though, he should know.
[11:01] <wgrant> It is a nice misfeature.
[11:01] <elmo> intellectronica: intentional or not, it's still broken and wrong
[11:02] <intellectronica> i tend to agree. and filing a bug is a way of asking a question.
[11:57] <thekorn> oha, Is it intentional that I'm allowed to change the location/timezone of every user?
[11:58] <wgrant> thekorn: See the past couple of bouts of conversation.
[12:00] <thekorn> wgrant: ok, thanks found it
[12:00] <wgrant> And elmo's bug.
[12:04] <thekorn> maybe someone with privileges should raise importance of this bug
[12:05] <wgrant> elmo could have, I'm sure, but it would seem more appropriate to wait for a Foundations person to look at it.
[12:09] <thekorn> wow this can also be changed with the API, it seems
[12:10] <wgrant> thekorn: I couldn't do it earlier.
[12:10] <wgrant> thekorn: latitude and longitude seem to be read-only.
[12:11] <thekorn> wgrant: I think the values hve to be json encoded
[12:12] <thekorn> let's try
[12:15]  * geser wonders how long it takes till the first person is located in antarctica :)
[12:25] <thekorn> ok, fortutatly launchpadlib is broken there, but it's working with raw POST request
[12:27] <wgrant> Does it respect the permissons that the UI seems to enforce (ie. one can't write to the attributes if they've been set by the user)?
[12:30] <thekorn> wgrant: I don't see this restrictions in the UI on edge,
[12:30] <thekorn> I'm able to update the information even for people who already set their location
[12:31] <thekorn> (did not try it, but the update button is accesible)
[12:31] <wgrant> thekorn: What about on ~wgrant?
[12:31] <wgrant> It is the latitude and longitude that seem to matter, not the timezone.
[12:32] <thekorn> wgrant: ok, can't change via UI
[12:32] <wgrant> That's what I thought.
[12:32] <wgrant> Try to mutate it via API POST?
[12:33]  * Hobbsee blinks
[12:34] <thekorn> wgrant: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized, so seems to be 'ok'
[12:34] <wgrant> Ah, good.
[12:34] <wgrant> Not even a 403. I'm impressed.
[12:35]  * wgrant blinks at Hobbsee.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> i'd not realised that the launchpad team *so* *very* bored
[12:39] <Hobbsee> shrinking font size, spreading icons away from the text they belong to, so it covers the entire page width, and maps, which anyone can edit, and which directly slow launchpad down too?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> was drinking banned, or something, and this was the result?
[12:42] <mohbana> hi, i'm not trolling, but why does bzr always come last when compared to hg and git? http://pyside.blogspot.com/2008/08/quick-hgbzr-timings.html
[12:43] <wgrant> mohbana: That would likely be a better question in #bzr.
[12:43] <wgrant> But I might suggest that it is because it is slower.
[12:43] <wgrant> (under those workloads, at least)
[12:43]  * Hobbsee puts stevenk in ireland.
[12:43]  * Hobbsee looks for someone else to place
[12:43] <Hobbsee> seems that we can't edit those who have already been done
[12:44] <Hobbsee> pity, as i tried to put dholbach into india.
[12:46]  * Hobbsee notes this is also another ubuntu developer stopping contributing, directly due to launchpad.
[12:46] <wgrant> Indeed. That I was disappointed to see.
[12:48] <soren> Hobbsee: Huh?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> soren: huh to which?
[12:48] <soren> 11:46:07  * Hobbsee notes this is also another ubuntu developer stopping contributing, directly due to launchpad.
[12:49] <soren> What does "this" refer to?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> soren: you didn't see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-August/004606.html ?  You responded to the bug.
[12:49] <soren> 11:46:07  * Hobbsee notes this is also another ubuntu developer stopping contributing, directly due to launchpad.
[12:49] <Hobbsee> this == the new changes
[12:49] <soren> Whoops.
[12:49] <soren> Sorry about that last paste.
[12:50] <soren> Hobbsee: Ok. You were just talking about the mapping thing, and I thouht that had scared someone off.
[12:51] <Hobbsee> soren: no, although i doubt that'll give performance improvements, and i'd not like to think of the effects of that - although I expect it would only happen on the people page.
[12:51] <Hobbsee> soren: i meant the changes globally, mentioned a few lines up
[12:51] <Hobbsee> (to clarify :) )
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hey mpt!
[12:54] <mpt> hey hey
[12:55] <wgrant> Hmm.
[12:55] <wgrant> Is the comment input expander link meant to now be green?
[12:55] <mpt> yes
[12:55] <wgrant> No other link is.
[12:56] <wgrant> And visited links are also a strange colour.
[12:56] <mpt> That's because Launchpad has few other links yet that do anything other than go to a new page
[12:59] <mpt> but it will have more soon
[13:00] <wgrant> https://edge.launchpad.net/~motu/+map seems to have an awful lot of useless information.
[13:00] <wgrant> It gives me a list of people that it doesn't have the information for (how's that useful?), and gives a list of non-unique times.
[13:00] <wgrant> That is rather odd.
[13:14] <mpt> It gives me an error alert
[13:14] <mpt> "Some parts of this page will be loaded over an insecure connection"
[13:15] <andrea-bs> mpt: bug 262220
[13:16] <andrea-bs> mpt: ah, you have already found it :)
[13:47] <james_w> Hi, is it possible to delete a milestone, or at least move it to another series?
[13:49] <wgrant> salgado: Why can't I add email addresses, GPG keys, IRC nicks, Jabber IDs to other people?
[13:50] <Hobbsee> wgrant: oh, that sounds like a good colaboration feature - new ways to upload!
[14:08] <thekorn> leonardr: hi, I've got a launchpadlib question: len(<collection>) is always maped to 'total_size' of this collection, right?
[14:08] <leonardr> thekorn, yes
[14:09] <thekorn> leonardr: ok, thanks, then len(launchpad.people) is broken, it returns 50
[14:09] <thekorn> but I think it is more a bug in launchpad than in launchpadlib
[14:09] <leonardr> thekorn: actually, we changed what launchpad.people does
[14:10] <leonardr> i didn't think we'd changed it so much that len(launchpad.people) would be 50, but i know what happened
[14:10] <leonardr> do you need to know the number of people or are you just testing things?
[14:11] <leonardr> thekorn: basically, launchpad.people was very expensive (and calculating total_size was a big part of the expense) and we couldn't think of any use cases for it that didn't involve spamming
[14:12] <leonardr> so we changed it to give the 50 people with the highest karma
[14:12] <thekorn> leonardr: no, I just was confused, and tried to understand how I can get a total number of elements in general
[14:12] <thekorn> but, I do not actually need it now
[14:12] <leonardr> thekorn, cool
[14:12] <leonardr> if someone actually needs that kind of thing we'll revisit it
[14:12] <thekorn> thanks for your explanation, it makes sense
[14:35] <dholbach> nevermind... just found out that the bug is already reported
[14:38] <mohbana> when is launchpad going to be opensourced?
[14:48] <mohbana> when is the next oscon to be precise?
[14:50] <Hobbsee> based on when the 2008 and 2007 ones were, july.
[14:51]  * Hobbsee stabs.
[14:51] <Hobbsee>  (Error ID: OOPS-971ED119)
[14:52] <emgent> hello.
[14:52] <Hobbsee>  (Error ID: OOPS-971EC123)
[14:52] <emgent> how we chan change images in maps profile ?
[14:52] <Hobbsee> emgent: click on them.
[14:52] <Hobbsee>  (Error ID: OOPS-971EA131)
[14:52] <Hobbsee>  (Error ID: OOPS-971EC125)
[14:52]  * Hobbsee sighs at launchpad.
[14:53] <emgent> Hobbsee: if i click on them i cant change it :)
[14:53] <Hobbsee>  (Error ID: OOPS-971EB144)
[14:53] <emgent> Hobbsee: good debug work :)
[14:53] <Hobbsee>  (Error ID: OOPS-971EB145)
[14:53] <Hobbsee> emgent: probably because someone's already placed you.
[14:54] <Hobbsee> so, how are we supposed to view what teams people are a aprt of now?
[14:55] <StevenK> So, apparently, I live in Ireland.
[14:55]  * Hobbsee grins evilly.
[14:55] <Hobbsee> yes.
[14:56] <Hobbsee> there's a "Set location and time zone
[14:56] <Hobbsee> beneath the map, it appears.
[14:56] <Hobbsee> maybe it only shows for people who's map you've set.
[14:59] <Hobbsee> emgent: looks like you'll have to find whoever put you in the current location, and ask them to change it.
[15:05] <andrea-bs> emgent: does https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editlocation work for you?
[15:06] <andrea-bs> oops, I missed "edge": https://edge.launchpad.net/people/+me/+editlocation
[15:20] <emgent> andrea-bs: yeah
[15:20] <emgent> https://edge.launchpad.net/~emgent/+editlocation work fine
[15:20] <emgent> lp "stable" release dont have this plugin
[15:30] <matsubara> Hobbsee: that's likely to be bug 261915. salgado is fixing it.
[15:32] <Hobbsee> matsubara: oh good.
[15:32] <ScottK> Is that bug supposed to be private?
[15:40] <geser> Hobbsee: how is the weather in antarctica? :)
[15:40] <Hobbsee> geser: cold.  windy :)
[15:44] <geser> Hobbsee: sounds like a good place to cool down when LP upsets you to much
[15:49] <Hobbsee> geser: no - when that happens, i stop using it for a while, more or less, and hope it gtes saner.
[15:55] <laga> has it worked so far?
[15:57] <OgMaciel> hi there! could someone lend me a hand? I would like to proprose one of my blueprints/spec for the next UDS
[16:00] <intellectronica> OgMaciel: sure, how can i help?
[16:00] <OgMaciel> intellectronica: I don't see an option to add it to UDS
[16:00] <intellectronica> OgMaciel: url?
[16:00] <OgMaciel> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/translation-workflow-and-notification-system
[16:02] <dholbach> it would be https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/translation-workflow-and-notification-system/+linksprint but the next UDS is probably not registered in LP yet?
[16:02] <OgMaciel> hmmmm
[16:02] <intellectronica> OgMaciel: doesn't look like the next UDS is registered in LP yet
[16:02] <OgMaciel> there were only 2 items available
[16:03] <intellectronica> OgMaciel: let me check
[16:03] <OgMaciel> gotcha
[16:03] <OgMaciel> thanks intellectronica and dholbach
[16:03] <jordi_> hola hola hola!
[16:04] <dholbach> hi jordi_
[16:04] <jordi_> where's kiko?
[16:04] <jordi_> woa commander holbach is here
[16:08] <jordi_> should I be able to link a bug to a blueprint, or does this need special lp privs?
[16:08] <jordi_> if I should, I don't think the ui is very discoverable
[16:09] <jordi_> ah, found
[16:09] <jordi_> you can from the blueprint -> bugreport, but not the other way
[16:10] <intellectronica> OgMaciel: i hear that it will be registered sometime next week. i'll let you know when it happens
[16:10] <OgMaciel> much appreciated intellectronica
[17:14] <s-corp> hi guys, can I get some assisatance on the deletion of a project?
[17:15] <intellectronica> s-corp: sure. just file a question with the request and it will be reviewed (and executed) by an LP admin as soon as possible
[17:16] <s-corp> thanks, intellectronica :)
[18:39] <vadi3> How can I make it so that Launchpad will send me an email whenever a new blueprint is registered? (same way it does with bugs)
[18:41] <intellectronica> vadi3: you can't (yet)
[18:41] <vadi3> Alright. Any possible eta?
[18:48] <vadi3> Would "bzr launchpad-login larkin-dischai" be the proper syntax for this guy (https://launchpad.net/~larkin-dischai) to login?
[18:49] <matsubara> vadi3: yes
[18:51] <vadi3> matsubara: here's what he gets though: "$ bzr launchpad-login larkin-dischai
[18:51] <vadi3> bzr: ERROR: [Errno 0] Error"
[18:52] <vadi3> Ah yes
[18:52] <vadi3> ssh troubles. got it
[18:54] <matsubara> >> Launchpad weekly meeting in 6 min in #launchpad-meeting
[18:58] <james_w> Hi, is it possible to delete a milestone, or at least move it to another series?
[18:59] <matsubara> james_w: it's possible to mark it as inactive.
[18:59] <james_w> matsubara: that would be good for a different one, but I made a mistake and I'd like to correct one
[19:00] <matsubara> >> Come join us in the weekly Launchpad meeting: #launchpad-meeting
[19:00] <james_w> how do I mark one inactive?
[19:02] <james_w> ah, got it
[19:02] <matsubara> james_w: change details in the milestone overview page
[19:36] <gustavonarea> Hi. I'd like to know if I get a wiki for my project or a place to host static files. Is this possible?
[19:38] <LaserJock> gustavonarea: there are some good 3rd party places, I don't think Launchpad does webhosting presently
[19:39] <gustavonarea> LaserJock: ok, thanks =)
[21:17] <rexium> Hi, I just got an upload (after building sucessfully) failure on my ppa, and am an LP beta tester. Could someone have a look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17147264/w12OJDuwCmtjCUx3qo6X0MX2WcA.txt (the traceback) and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17147266/upload_703579_log.txt and tell me if it is worth filing a bug over?
[21:23] <geser> rexium: libffado-doc is missing a Description in debian/rules
[21:24] <rexium> whoops
[21:24] <rexium> geser, odd that the amd64 binaries uploaded fine though
[21:25] <geser> rexium: libffado-doc is an arch:all package which are only build on the i386 buildd
[21:25] <rexium> ahh
[21:25] <rexium> thanks
[21:25] <rexium> fixing now
[21:27] <fta> i have a package stuck at debian/rules clean on all builders: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building
[21:29] <geser> cprov: ^^^
[21:31] <cprov> fta: let me check
[21:39] <fta> cprov, just updated my chroot, i see it too now. dpkg-buildpackage───fakeroot───rules───xulrunner-1.9.1───run-mozilla.sh───xulrunner-bin.  There's a xulrunner-1.9.1 --gre-version call in my rules file. it used to work fine, now, it's blocking on something. this is bad.. something changed in the toolchain
[21:40] <cprov> fta: ok, which means I can safely kill your builds, right ?
[21:41] <fta> cprov, yes, please. i'm investigating locally.
[21:41] <cprov> fta: okay, doing that.
[21:42] <cprov> fta: in fact, you can do it in a better way. could you please delete the sources involved ?
[21:43] <fta> cprov, ok, will do
[21:49] <cprov> fta: all sorted.
[21:51] <fta> cprov, found the root cause, it's an upstream change
[21:54] <fta> cprov, "/usr/bin/xulrunner-1.9.1 --gre-version" is fine, but "fakeroot /usr/bin/xulrunner-1.9.1 --gre-version" blocks forever
[21:55] <cprov> fta: lovely :-/, at least, you can reproduce the problem locally.
[22:10] <superm1> hi guys. what happened to launchpad fonts today?  everything is suddenly a lot harder to read
[22:10] <superm1> (at least on edge - that's what i'm normally on)
[22:13] <geser> superm1: edge got a new rollout, check the bugs
[22:14] <superm1> ah that would probably explain it
[22:34] <mizipzor> problems with the staging server?
[22:41] <mizipzor> anyone awake? :p
[22:43] <s-corp> in what time interval does staging.launchpad.net reset the changes?
[22:47] <mizipzor> s-corp: you can connect to the staging server?
[22:49] <s-corp> mizipzor, not right now, because I suppose it's being synced to the main site... just wondering when does it start and how long it takes to complete the operation
 mizipzor, not right now, because I suppose it's being synced to the main site... just wondering when does it start and how long it takes to complete the operation
[22:53] <mwhudson> s-corp, mizipzor: it's back
[22:53] <mizipzor> s-corp: i see... so thats may be why i cant connect to it... to bad, i was really eager to try it out
[22:53] <mizipzor> s-corp: oh! thx
[22:53] <s-corp> :)
[23:19] <NCommander> Is there some way to make Launchpad not mail back your OWN comments when you comment on a bug?
[23:33] <mizipzor> NCommander: hehe, that sounds like a great feature
[23:33] <NCommander> I already flooded ten peoples inboxs with the amount of bugs I'm resolving on backports
[23:33] <NCommander> I would like to remove the filter rule that deletes my own emails
[23:34] <NCommander> And is there some sorta delay going on with karma on edge? I'm not getting any for the bug work I'm doing
[23:34] <jml> NCommander: karma is calculated daily iirc
[23:34] <NCommander> ok
[23:34] <NCommander> so it just hasn't happened yet
[23:34] <jml> NCommander: not sure about not getting your own bug mail.
[23:34] <jml> NCommander: most likely.
[23:35] <NCommander> I just feel its kinda redundant.
[23:35] <NCommander> I know what I wrote already ;-)
[23:35] <jml> it's kind of like honor in earlier versions of wow.
[23:36] <jml> NCommander: I generally don't mind it too much, since I kind of like being able to search for stuff I said from my mail client.
[23:37] <NCommander> I would still like an off switch for it
[23:37] <jml> *nod*
[23:40]  * soren very much likes that he gets his own comments back in an e-mail
[23:41] <soren> I prefer to do all my bug work by e-mail, and having my own comments around for reference is just very convenient.
[23:41] <jml> NCommander: a quick skim of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs?field.tag=email says that no similar bug has been filed.
[23:41] <soren> It's certainly been discussed before. I'm surprised there's no bug about it.
[23:42]  * NCommander files a bug
[23:42] <jml> :)
[23:42] <soren> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/548
[23:42] <soren> ?
[23:42] <soren> Very much related.
[23:42] <jml> that's a small number
[23:42] <soren> That's what she said :(
[23:42] <jml> NCommander: don't file a bug.
[23:43] <soren> bug 548
[23:43] <NCommander> Too late
[23:43] <NCommander> Damn it
[23:43] <soren> bug 123456
[23:43]  * NCommander marks it a dup
[23:43] <jml> NCommander: that's ok, you'll get karma for marking it as a dupe :)
[23:43]  * soren kicks ubottu
[23:43] <jml> and email.
[23:43] <NCommander> Bug #1
[23:43] <NCommander> Seems ubottu is broken
[23:43] <soren> :(
[23:45] <jml> not broken, resting.
[23:46] <jml> or maybe broken. so hard to tell with these contraptions.
[23:46] <soren> "No, sweatheart, that cat on the side of the road isn't dead. It's just sleeping."
[23:46] <soren> Heh..
[23:47] <soren> "sweatheart"
[23:49] <jml> :D