[00:00] ogra: I try to coordinate it, but I needs devs to follow up... [00:00] yeah, i know what you mean [00:00] i suck at sponsoring, sorry for that :( [00:00] /join #ubuntu-motu [00:00] bah ;-) [00:01] it's the same situation for linux-wlan-ng (see above). I prepare everything, and the debdiffs just rot in launchpad. [00:02] LaserJock: the ideal situation would be to be sponsored without having to hang out in IRC and bug people :) [00:02] yeah, indeed [00:03] ogra: and that is really not the case today. [00:03] tormod, well, in fact i think we're only talking the second time on IRC ... and i did at least some of your syncs/uploads [00:04] IRC simply has the big advantage of being a lot speedier [00:04] ogra: most of my uploads are only after asking someone on IRC, you must be the exception [00:05] well, but then i'm always uploading last minute which isnt pleasant for either side either [00:05] ogra: but the point is there shouldn't be any need for pinging, LP has the debdiff and u-m-s is subscribed. [00:05] right [00:05] LaserJock, btw did xaos happen ? [00:05] i didnt follow that one [00:05] xaos happened [00:06] yay, good [00:06] * ogra was pondering to finally take that in debian to get that darn .desktop file in [00:07] joey refused to take hat for years [00:07] *that [00:07] ogra: yeah he just ignored any request about it :) [00:07] but you got it in now :) [00:07] * ogra hugs tormod [00:07] * tormod hugs back [00:08] ok, so what do we do with xss now ? [00:08] wait for ted ? [00:08] add a sync request ? [00:08] if FF really is 00 UTC and not 23:59, I guess it's time to do something. [00:08] i simply havent looked at the source since ted took over so i'm not even aware which ubuntu changes we have [00:09] * ogra is massively busy getting the last ltsp bits sorted [00:09] can we request a sync for a package that is not released? :) [00:09] we can sync from experimantal [00:09] if slangasek hanst a to long TODO list i guess [00:09] *hasn't [00:09] it's only in git so far, I can't upload in Debian neither. [00:10] er, pick on the archive admin on duty, not me :) [00:10] oh, who is that today ? [00:10] * ogra goes checking [00:10] tormod: surely there's a difference between syncing and merging for 192772, and they shouldn't both be "fine"? [00:10] they both better than doing nothing [00:10] oh, I see, I commented on it and suggested a sync instead of a merge :) [00:11] yeah and since then nobody did anything about it [00:11] slangasek, meh, seb128 ? [00:11] I would prefer a merge [00:12] tormod: right; merge looks better at the moment, I was hoping that someone would champion getting the description/recommends fixed in Debian [00:12] * ogra sighs deeply ... so i can give up on ltsp as well then ... no ltspfs no ltsp [00:12] it has so low priority... [00:15] * lamont cries a little at the maintainer swap in the ubuntu upload of his package [00:15] while understanding why it happens [00:15] lamont: as is standard [00:16] cjwatson: both the crying and the understanding? [00:16] yeah [00:16] :-) [00:18] so is there a replacement for seb128 while he is on holiday ? [00:18] ogra: I'm pretty sure he's irreplacable. [00:18] i dont really wnat to trash my whole workday for a single sync that doesnt happen [00:18] well, not as such, no. [00:19] what sync are you waiting on? [00:19] something from experimental? [00:19] ltspfs [00:19] no [00:19] bug #262036 [00:19] Launchpad bug 262036 in ltspfs "please sync ltspfs 0.5.3-2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262036 [00:19] slangasek: can I trust you do the lwlan upload? [00:19] ogra: the one slangasek did an hour ago then? :) [00:19] oh [00:20] haha [00:20] *grin* [00:20] sorry [00:20] the other one was tormod's request for xscreensaver [00:20] yeah, experimental ones would take me a lot longer, I never remember the commandline opts [00:20] * TheMuso suggests ogra track intrepid-changes. :p [00:21] TheMuso, i'm in massive-stress-get-ltsp-in-before-FF mode :) [00:21] hehehe [00:22] echo NUM -S experimental | syncbugbot [00:22] OBVIOUSLY [00:23] :-) [00:24] hiya, all. I've got a bug I really want looked at, is there anything any of you can do or anything I can do that will increase the odds of the bug getting developer attention? [00:25] tormod: yes [00:25] Mizutsuki: try to get it confirmed by other users, and get it triaged (ask in #ubuntu-bugs about that) [00:26] slangasek: thanks a lot! [00:26] tormod: it's been confirmed by 3 other users, and no one is talking in #ubuntu-bugs, how do I get it triaged? [00:27] Mizutsuki: well you can ask there even if nobody is talking at the moment [00:28] tormod: sorry, I was inspecific, no one was talking to *me*, no one replied to my query [00:28] tormod: oh, wait, there it goes [00:28] patience! [00:30] * calc wants food, but his wife disappeared with his car and i don't want to make a large meal :-\ [00:31] walk to Burger King [00:31] that way you earn it [00:36] i left it at my parents because its not safe to ride it around here [00:36] calc, cycle *fast* :) [00:36] lukehasnoname: houston, tx, usa [00:36] ogra: hahaha :) [00:36] calc, me too. You live on Nasa Rd 1? [00:36] calc, order a pizza [00:36] 7 lane ... 45mph. does not compute [00:36] NCommander: oh yea that could work [00:36] cjwatson, sounds faster then NYC's cross-bronx expressway [00:36] cjwatson: its just a normal road, not a highway [00:36] A seven lane normal road? [00:36] its 3 lane each way and a middle turn lane [00:36] Where the heck do you live? [00:36] NCommander: see above (Houston) [00:36] ah [00:37] we have mass transit (just buses) but its not so great [00:37] calc: I can't think of many three-lane-each-way "normal roads" over here that aren't at least A roads and defaulting to 70mph [00:37] * NCommander lives out in Rocheseter, NY [00:37] freeways (highways) around here tend to be 9-11 lanes total and 65mph [00:37] calc, do you have an i386 or and amd64? [00:37] Or other? [00:38] both sorta [00:38] a core 2 duo desktop running amd64 and a core 2 duo laptop running i386 [00:38] the laptop is running i386 since it won't resume on amd64 === superm1|away is now known as superm1 [00:40] oh and another amd64 running *cough* windows xp (my wife's machine) [00:40] dendrobates: why is there a dependency loop ldap-auth-config -> ldap-auth-client -> libpam-ldap ? :) [00:40] i've converted her to all open source software except Photoshop [00:41] too bad CS3 doesn't run well under wine yet [00:41] well and then all her plugins on top of that :\ [00:41] slangasek: hmm, let me look, I don't recall that. [00:42] james_w: so bzr-builddeb 2.0 branch == package version 1.0? [00:42] james_w: are you going to want this in Debian experimental (unstable?) anyway? if so it might be easiest for me to upload to Debian and then sync === Kopfgeldjaeger is now known as Kopfi|offline [00:44] cjwatson: yes, I'd like it in experimental. I'd like that to not make it more difficult for Intrepid though. [00:44] * lamont heads off to back-to-school night. [00:44] cjwatson: it should be package version 2.0, maybe the breakage meant that you have an older revision. [00:45] definitely http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-bazaar/bzr-builddeb/trunk/ ? [00:45] I have revision 258 [00:47] yeah, it seems that bug has left the branch at an arbitrary revision. [00:48] it should be correct now [00:49] * TheMuso manages to get the main pieces of alsa in before FF. Yay! Now for plugins... [00:53] jdstrand_: this patch http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17125350/samba_3.2.1-1ubuntu6.debdiff ? [00:58] james_w: ok, just upgrading my Debian chroot [00:58] hrm, wher is my accepted mail for the last upload [00:59] slangasek, did you flick the switch already? [00:59] ogra: FF isn't a physical switch [01:00] ... or even a software switch :) [01:00] :) [01:00] Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:51:56 +0200 [01:00] Source: ltsp [01:00] geez [01:01] why did it take 9 mins ... that tested my nerves [01:01] :) [01:01] slangasek: just doing a testbuild of samba-3.2.3 locally first [01:01] * ogra is relaxing again ... all done phew [01:04] james_w: should I install bzr 1.6 in the chroot? I notice you don't seem to build-depend on it [01:05] hmm, let me put that a different way. do I *need* to install bzr 1.6 in the chroot? [01:06] no, I don't think I use any 1.6 specific stuff in this version [01:06] ok [01:14] ogra: the cron job is 0-50/5; the 55 slot is used for security uploads [01:14] ogra: so an upload at :51 would wait nine minutes or so for processing, but would still be safe to get into the :03 publisher run [01:14] cjwatson, heh, well, i survived it :) [01:15] * ogra parties to have it managed in time :) [01:26] d'oh *hand+face* sync wasn't fast enough. ;) [01:26] I'll work it out. [01:28] jdstrand_: I think auth-client-config needs to be changed to not touch /etc/pam.d/common-* anymore too, yes? [01:28] james_w: bzr-builddeb 2.0 uploaded to Debian experimental and synced to intrepid; all looks good enough [01:32] cjwatson: great, thanks. [01:32] "good enough", was there anything you noticed that I should fix? [01:32] few lintian bits and bobs [01:32] one selftest failed with bzr 1.5 [01:32] FAIL: bzrlib.plugins.builddeb.tests.test_import_dsc.DistributionBranchTests.test_sync_to_other_branch [01:32] not equal: [01:32] a = ['cjwatson@sarantium-20080828002443-9uuqywufj7px33w7', [01:32] 'cjwatson@sarantium-20080828002442-g2jcltja25pdgb0n', [01:32] 'cjwatson@sarantium-20080828002444-xol3l3lm46kanotn'] [01:32] b = ['cjwatson@sarantium-20080828002443-9uuqywufj7px33w7', [01:32] 'cjwatson@sarantium-20080828002444-xol3l3lm46kanotn'] [01:32] that's supposed to be XFAIL, I don't know why you got a failure [01:40] hmm, and tormod is off, and the proposed merge of linux-wlan-ng is no longer valid due to archive drift :/ [02:12] cjwatson: It failed due to other reasons on my machine, and I didn't persue it due to impending FF. [02:17] hi [02:19] hello [02:28] Argh, why does every one of my email to ubuntu-devel require moderator approval! [02:28] NCommander: Because you're not a member of ubuntu-dev, I think. [02:29] I should be subscribed [02:29] aren't all @ubuntu.com whitelisted? [02:29] NCommander: that is not enough [02:29] Open to all to subscribe, posting moderated for non-developers [02:29] I don't have an @ubuntu.com ;-) [02:29] @ubuntu.com is all members, so I presume it's more limited than that. [02:32] NCommander: maybe you can get someone to whitelist your address then :) [02:33] * NCommander wishes he was a UUC :-P [02:33] I want the shiny @ubuntu.com email [02:34] hrm [02:35] I need an Ubuntu i386 box [02:37] soren, ubuntu-vm-builder doesn't recongize intrepid as a distro [02:38] NCommander: Are you using intrepid's ubuntu-vmbuilder? [02:38] yeah [02:39] ok just checking. :) [02:39] NCommander: I'm aware. [02:39] Wow. rtorrent is a pretty cool torrent client. [02:39] I'm trying to murder a FTBFS involving mysql on i386 [02:39] (and inconsistently on amd64) [02:39] NCommander: It'll be replaced quite soon. [02:39] wops. Sorry guys, wrong channel. [02:40] * NCommander hopes a chroot works then [02:40] NCommander: that FTBFS is just a failure on the sleep in the tests [02:40] NCommander: or something like that [02:40] it fails on random tests [02:40] No [02:40] not always on the same [02:40] On i386 it always does [02:40] Same test [02:40] Four times [02:40] NCommander: on my machine it fails in a different one than LP [02:40] I'm trying to determine if its just the same bug however [02:40] Yeah [02:41] I think its the same bug, just not 100% sure [02:41] OH YES [02:41] it uses dpatch [02:41] THANK YOU MYSQL PACKAGERS [02:42] dpatch is kewl [02:43] I can't find the mysql bug about that though [02:43] nxvl, quick googling help please? [02:43] NCommander: it's not, ping zul or mathiaz on that [02:44] NCommander: they have been working on the bug [02:44] There was already a prewritten patch for that bug [02:44] It was fixed in 5.1 [02:51] NCommander: 5.0.67-0ubuntu4 should fix the problem - it's currently building and should be available in the archive within a few hours [02:51] mathiaz, ok, good [02:52] You creeped out StevenK with the weird behavior. Its the first time any of us saw something build on hppa, and fail miserably on amd64/i386 :-) [02:56] * nxvl doesn't remember for what rebuild was waiting for mysql [02:57] nxvl: apache2 failed to build [02:57] mathiaz: but that's in main [02:59] got it, it was courier [03:11] <[gnubie]> anyone knows how to set gcc-4.1 as the default gcc version as opposed to gcc-4.2 on ubuntu-8.0.4.1? [03:21] [gnubie]: just change the symlink? [03:30] <[gnubie]> calc: is that all? [03:31] <[gnubie]> i mean, will it inherit the rest of the components for gcc-4.1? [03:34] [gnubie]: the compiler, when invoked, has its own internal path that it uses to find the other components; not that I really recommend this, since /usr/bin/gcc is part of a package and changing the symlink isn't going to be persistent across package upgrades (if they're needed for some odd reason) [03:35] [gnubie]: why do you want to change the default compiler? [03:35] oh yea if you are changing it for packaging reasons then changing the symlink is not a good idea [03:36] * calc wonders why gcc isn't in alternatives [03:36] * calc notes he misread what slangasek said wrt package [03:37] it isn't in alternatives because this isn't meant to be a user-selectable *choice*; the version of gcc that "gcc" points to on the system is meant to be something that other packages can rely on [03:37] i.e., it's supposed to point to the one that works [03:38] wouldn't they all work, or are there abi issues? [03:39] i know for g++ that has in the past often broken abi [03:39] calc: if they all "worked", we wouldn't need more than one in the first place... ) [03:39] well newer ones are more strict and so don't work for some definition of work ;-) [03:39] <[gnubie]> i'm rebuilding asterisk to .deb package. everytime i make a call, i hear a choppy/robot sound. i asked google and says it is because of using gcc-4.2 [03:39] but yea i defer to you knowing more about what compilers work, i don't mess with the defaults [03:40] i just know for other things like java it doesn't seem to much matter so its changeable [03:40] [gnubie]: there is at least one really easy hackish way to fix it [03:40] create a dir, symlink in that dir gcc to whatever gcc you want [03:40] <[gnubie]> i just want to build the asterisk related packages using < gcc-4.2 [03:41] and then add that dir to the path [03:41] er just while building [03:41] we end up shipping multiple versions of gcc because each of them have different bugs, so people need to be able to pick their bugs for that reason; but the set of bugs we get with "gcc" is meant to be stable [03:41] Can other folks get to "packages.debian.org"? [03:41] tedg: no [03:41] [gnubie]: do you happen to have a link to a more detailed explanation of why gcc-4.2 is the problem? [03:41] tedg: or its really really slow [03:41] [gnubie]: anyway, for a one-time build, any of the above methods work :) [03:42] ccache does the dir in the path trick [03:42] <[gnubie]> slangasek: i'll check out the exact url for you.. but i also asked #asterisk that it is also because when using gcc-4.2 [03:45] <[gnubie]> here is one => http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=11243 [03:48] <[gnubie]> i both have gcc-4.2 and gcc-4.1 installed on my ubuntu-8.0.4.1-server system [03:58] calc: I've got it now... took a little while. [03:59] So the diffstat between xscreensaver 5.05 and 5.07: 731 files changed, 21620 insertions(+), 17376 deletions(-) [04:00] hmm the list looks like they use bad optimization numbers [04:01] "In 1.2.26 if you change "OPTIMIZE+=-O6" in the Makefile to "OPTIMIZE+=-O2" everything sounds fine." [04:01] iirc over O2 is not really recommended [04:05] tedg: tormod was looking for you earlier [04:14] * [gnubie] waves again.. [04:14] <[gnubie]> sorry, i was disconnected.. my X freezes again.. :( [04:15] bryce: Ah, it'd be nice to see him too -- the 5.07 seems a little crazy. [04:15] I guess we're still "alpha" though. [04:26] If an archive admin could apply a bit of NEW love to vm-builder, that'd be lovely. Now, if you will excuse, I'm going to pass out. [04:37] StevenK, ping [04:40] NCommander? [04:41] StevenK, can you sponsor an upload into main for me [04:41] FTBFS fix [04:41] Already merged ont the ubuntu-desktop branch [04:41] NCommander: I suppose so, if you don't mind waiting a little while? [04:41] no problem [04:41] I'm currently hunting bugs in qt [04:42] * StevenK is plotting buying lunch, since my stomach is threatning to run off to do the job itself [04:42] * NCommander had a similar plan ;-) [04:42] And mysql-dfsg-5.0 FTBFS on amd64. Dear. [04:44] StevenK, I crashed the PPA build server last night on mysql :-) [04:44] NCommander: Twice. [04:44] Damn evil package [04:44] NCommander: I got elmo to fix it the first time. [04:44] I only built it once O_o; [04:45] it did build on AMD64 [04:45] It will get requeued, and did. [04:45] impressive [04:45] I've never crashed a build server for [04:46] elmo probably wants to murder me [04:46] NCommander: it didn't FTBFS on your machine? [04:46] I run AMD64 and nope [04:46] I only have a debian i386 machine [04:47] LaserJock, can you build and see if its FTBFS on subselect for you? [04:47] the AMD64 may be a transition failure since it did build on the PPA server [04:47] Surely because mysql is using Launchpad now all the great collaboration that enables will make this easy to solve. [04:47] Sorry. Couldn't help it. [04:48] rofl [04:48] ScottK: well, obviously it's because we're using those deprecated things called source packages ;-p [04:53] fascinating, nautilus crashes on my ~/Documents every time [04:53] LaserJock, it could be worse, It could be gcl [04:53] or gch [04:53] sorry, ghc [04:53] gcl has a wonderful 70MB diff :-) [04:53] oh [04:54] WTF [04:54] NCommander: you wouldn't mind merging a new gcl would you ? :-) [04:54] Ahem [04:54] I think most of us said something along those lines when hearing of that diff [04:54] That's FROM debian the 70MB [04:54] * LaserJock watches NCommander twitch in the corner [04:54] No patch system [04:54] All changes inline [04:54] The entire source code of configure * 10 + bintuil 2.8.16 [04:54] (this is not a joke) [04:55] bah, patch systems are for the weak! [04:55] Seriously [04:55] That still doesn't sound like 70mb worth of diff, though? Where's the rest? [04:57] probably in .CVS files [04:57] pwnguin: maybe RCS/ ? [04:57] Heh. Of course. [05:04] RAOF_, binutils is 40MB alove [05:04] *alone [05:04] its 70 uncompressed [05:04] 15 compressed [05:05] Really? Wow. [05:05] yeah [05:05] We have a FTBFS caused by changes in gcl [05:05] wgrant took off screaming [05:05] heh [05:05] I broke the language rules in -motu [05:05] And someone else just went WTF [05:05] i dont even get why there are language rules [05:06] And that was it [05:06] LaserJock, your a core-dev, please upload my FTBFS fix ;-) [05:06] then again, I have like the 20th quote on bash.org so i may be culturally biased [05:07] I have a few quotes on bash.org [05:08] where was the #ubuntu-* quote database [05:17] * LaserJock hopes he's not on bash.org [05:17] NCommander: despite being a core-dev I'm already waaay over my alloted *buntu hours for the day, sorry [05:17] I've got a paper draft due ASAP [05:40] NCommander: Argh, you're a top-poster. [05:40] heh [05:40] damn [05:41] THat's what I get for using webmail [05:42] psh [05:42] we just need better threading clients and quote detection [05:42] im told thunderbird has it [05:43] NCommander: There's a "better gmail" firefox extension that changes their broken top-posting default :) [05:44] I use gmail almost constantly [05:44] even then, you're supposed to quote only what you reply to [05:44] It hasn't done that to me in a LOG time [05:44] er [05:44] LONG [05:45] you might want to ask upstream about this do away with gems thing [05:45] Getting rid of gems completely is a bad idea also [05:45] pwnguin, BTW, you a core dev? [05:45] no [05:46] bah [05:46] StevenK, are you back yet ;-) [05:46] NCommander: Er, yes. Sorry. [05:46] NP [05:47] StevenK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notification-daemon/+bug/262079 [05:47] Launchpad bug 262079 in notification-daemon "Patch for FTBFS bug on notification-daemon" [High,Confirmed] === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF [05:52] NCommander: notification-daemon is maintained in bzr. [05:53] StevenK, the patch was already merged int [05:53] *in [05:53] But the person who merged it was not a core-dev [05:53] NCommander: Ah, coll [05:53] Er, s/ol/oo/ [05:53] cooll? ;-) [05:53] Oh [05:53] wait [05:53] regex failure [05:54] You fail at finite-state-machining. [05:54] :) [05:54] Haha [05:54] Crap [05:54] * NCommander reinstalls apt-get install fsm [05:55] NCommander: there So. [05:55] uploaded? [05:55] s/\(\w+\) \(\w+\)\./\2 \1/ [05:55] o_o; [05:56] Ooh, backreferences. No longer regular! [05:56] * NCommander gives StevenK some fiber to help with his irregularities [05:57] * NCommander runs [05:57] i have to wonder [05:57] NCommander: notification-daemon also has debian/control.in [05:57] why is there PEAR, CPAN, gems, etc [05:57] the control file wasn't modified [05:57] Just rules and changelog [05:58] Yes it was. [05:58] ? [05:58] I didn't change it [05:58] argh [05:58] % diffstat < notification_daemon_ftbfs.debdiff | grep control [05:58] notification-daemon-0.3.7/debian/control | 2 +- [05:58] Oh [05:58] whoops [05:58] I did change it [05:58] I bumped the standards version [05:58] Naughty [05:59] I think that's a pointless change for fixing the FTBFS [05:59] Well, that got merged into the bazaar branch >.>; [05:59] whoops [05:59] pwnguin: people had to figure out how to install stuff on slackware? :-) [06:00] * ScottK smacks NCommander in the head with a cold, wet, dead fish to help him remeber for next time. [06:00] * NCommander hits ScottK with GNOME [06:00] Nothing like sending GNOMEs into space [06:00] NCommander: So, drop the control change, or what? [06:01] Fortunately it's well established that I'm impervious to Gnome. [06:01] I sent a gnome into space in Half-Life 2 a few weeks ago [06:02] * NCommander stabs ScottK with an xfce ax [06:02] StevenK, can you fix the patch for me? [06:02] NCommander: To not patch control? [06:02] or I can roll a new one [06:02] yeah [06:02] And zap the changelog entry [06:03] I'll grab seb128 in the morning to pop that change from the bazaar repo and properly fix it [06:03] (its already been merged so there isn't much I can do about it) [06:03] * StevenK introduces NCommander to filterdiff [06:03] what's filterdiff? [06:03] ack [06:03] regex [06:03] EW [06:04] Sigh. Learn regular expressions, will ya? [06:04] :-P [06:04] I can use regex [06:04] I just can't memorize them [06:04] % filterdiff -x '*/control' < notification_daemon_ftbfs.debdiff | lsdiff [06:04] That's a shell glob, anyway [06:04] Doesn't fix the changelog :-P [06:04] I'll properly reroll the diff [06:05] Fix the changelog how? [06:05] Oh right, dropped that line. [06:05] I noted in the changelog I bumped the standards version [06:06] NCommander: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/changes.debdiff [06:06] Looks good [06:08] * StevenK test builds [06:08] StevenK, BTW, you'll find this amusing: http://savannah.gnu.org/project/memberlist.php?group=hurd [06:08]