| lukehasnoname | Has anyone read "Understanding the Linux Kernel, 3e"? | 00:16 |
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| lukehasnoname | 144 minuts without response | 02:40 |
| lukehasnoname | *minutes | 02:40 |
| soren | I have. | 02:40 |
| soren | WEll, most of it. | 02:40 |
| lukehasnoname | useful? | 02:41 |
| soren | Erm... that's a lie actually. Glancing that the index, I've probably read about half. | 02:41 |
| soren | Very. | 02:41 |
| soren | I highly recommend it. | 02:41 |
| lukehasnoname | *goes to amazon* | 02:41 |
| lukehasnoname | I'm in a "intro to data communications" class; the students all have to install Ubuntu to a live CD. I had to explain to the teacher why there's a "duck" (heron) on the desktop. OH, and she's running FC6 for a server o_o | 02:42 |
| pwnguin | heh | 03:06 |
| pwnguin | my uni LUG had an email asking for help with FC1 | 03:06 |
| TheMuso | /c | 05:39 |
| shenki | 2.6.27-1-generic is rebooting upon resume for me :( | 08:12 |
| shenki | i was running an upstream .27-rc4, 1941246dd98089dd637f44d3bd4f6cc1c61aa9e4, and it resumes fine | 08:13 |
| shenki | amd64, thinkpad x300 | 08:13 |
| shenki | any suggestions for how to collect logs would be welcome | 08:13 |
| gaspa | hi, hardy-updates has virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.24-20-generic, but not the associated kernel. is that only a glitch? | 11:06 |
| abogani | gaspa: VirtualBox maintainer error, i suppose. | 11:30 |
| abogani | I think that he'll fix it soon with .21 | 11:30 |
| gaspa | abogani: i meant : there's no project to put in -updates linux-image 2.6.24-20... | 11:31 |
| gaspa | if so, the solution is: just wait. | 11:31 |
| abogani | No .20 is supersede. We are just bumped to .22 into Hardy git archive... in any case wait seems the best option :-) | 11:35 |
| gaspa | abogani: ok, but -updates repositories are broken. | 11:37 |
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| siretart | could someone please triage bug #261590? i feel that it is rather critical, but don't want to triage my own bugs | 14:16 |
| pwnguin | siretart: you could try #ubuntu-laptop and their mailing list, but it's basically fallen apart | 14:24 |
| pwnguin | (there might be a thinkpad channel) | 14:25 |
| mjg59 | siretart: Thinkpads don't export fans via acpi | 14:26 |
| mjg59 | It's notabug | 14:26 |
| mjg59 | There's a thermal issue on Thinkpads that's been fixed upstream | 14:27 |
| pwnguin | alternatively, just spam keywords till mjg notices | 14:27 |
| siretart | mjg59: err, did this change from hardy? | 14:30 |
| mjg59 | siretart: No | 14:31 |
| siretart | mjg59: what is today's way of controlling fans on thinkpads? | 14:31 |
| mjg59 | thinkpad-acpi will do it if you ask to it really hard | 14:31 |
| siretart | so no way of controlling it somehow interactively? | 14:32 |
| mjg59 | Only using thinkpad-acpi | 14:33 |
| siretart | I thought of echo'ing stuff to /proc | 14:33 |
| siretart | mjg59: with 'asking it really hard' do you mean the option 'fan_control=1'? | 14:34 |
| mjg59 | siretart: Yeah | 14:41 |
| shenki | siretart: the fun happens in /proc/acpi/ibm | 14:42 |
| shenki | siretart: https://launchpad.net/tp-fan is handy too | 14:42 |
| mjg59 | Bear in mind that the X60 handles high temperatures by slowing down the CPU in firmware | 14:43 |
| mjg59 | That's what was broken at various points | 14:43 |
| shenki | mjg59: do you know what this message is about: | 14:44 |
| shenki | "thinkpad_acpi: setting the hotkey mask to 0x00ffffff is likely not the best way to go about it" | 14:44 |
| mjg59 | Yes, with recent thinkpad_acpis userspace shouldn't be setting hotkey_mask | 14:45 |
| shenki | mjg59: where could that be getting set? | 14:48 |
| mjg59 | /etc/modprobe.d somewhere? | 14:50 |
| siretart | mjg59: thanks for the information! I'll update the bug | 14:59 |
| _MMA_ | Does this deserve a bug report? http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/vbox.png It's using the latest on-disk image -generic kernel. | 14:59 |
| siretart | shenki: that would be bug LP #256887 | 15:00 |
| shenki | siretart: thanks,i just found it myself too | 15:02 |
| shenki | stgraber: heh, we added the same comment. you bet me by 49 seconds. | 15:02 |
| siretart | :) | 15:02 |
| tjaalton | shenki: it's hotkey-setup, I'll fix it | 15:05 |
| mjg59 | Remember that just removing the file from the package won't fix it, since it's a conffile | 15:05 |
| siretart | shenki: TBH, I'm a bit hesitant to add a /etc/modprobe.d/thinkpad_acpi.modprobe. what happens if 2 files define options for the same module? | 15:05 |
| shenki | siretart: mmm, hotkey setup would run after the modprobe, so it would over write modprobe's settings | 15:06 |
| tjaalton | mjg59: it's echo'ed during init, so just removing that part should do, right? | 15:06 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 15:07 |
| mjg59 | Oh, of course, it's part of the init script | 15:07 |
| tjaalton | yep | 15:07 |
| shenki | the docs suggest setting it to /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_recommended_mask | 15:08 |
| siretart | cat /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_recommended_mask > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_mask | 15:08 |
| shenki | indeed. | 15:09 |
| siretart | but that's something the module could it itself. if it doesn't do that already | 15:09 |
| shenki | later on, it talks about not messing with defaults for the backlight control when one has acpi video | 15:10 |
| shenki | "For Lenovo models *with* ACPI backlight control" | 15:10 |
| shenki | siretart: have you attempted resuming from suspend with .27? | 15:12 |
| siretart | shenki: suspend works on my X60s, I haven't tried hibernate yet, though. | 15:12 |
| siretart | resume btw as well | 15:12 |
| tjaalton | I wonder if that breaks my screen not resuming from powersave-mode | 15:13 |
| tjaalton | with .24 it's ok | 15:13 |
| shenki | my x300 was rebooting (instead of resuming) with .27-1-generic, but resumes fine with upstream ~rc4 | 15:13 |
| mjg59 | shenki: Known bug in ftrace | 15:14 |
| shenki | mjg59: thanks | 15:14 |
| shenki | ah, and there's the fix. ftrace: disable tracing for hibernation. cool | 15:17 |
| mjg59 | There's another one for suspend to ram | 15:21 |
| shenki | noticed that. figured i was talking to myself enough. don't need to correct myself too | 15:22 |
| tjaalton | siretart: I'v tried commenting out that stuff from the initscript, and now hotkey_mask is the same as hotkey_recommended_mask | 15:39 |
| tjaalton | ok, so my laptop screen really doesn't want to resume frome the powersaving mode | 15:40 |
| tjaalton | intel | 15:40 |
| tjaalton | need to reboot to get it back | 15:40 |
| siretart | tjaalton: so let's claim that setting the hotkey mask was an quirk that is not necessary anymore with current thinkpad_acpi, and we should remove it completely from hotkey-setup | 15:41 |
| tjaalton | siretart: indeed | 15:41 |
| siretart | tjaalton: does your ThinkVantage button do something useful? It doesn't for me since (and including) hardy | 15:43 |
| tjaalton | nope | 15:43 |
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| cjwatson | 2.6.27 seems to have cleared up the intermittent usplash misrenderings for me | 18:08 |
| BenC | cjwatson: ogasawara said the bug showed others claiming the same | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | wl driver seems to work, though curiously b43 is still loaded | 18:26 |
| BenC | cjwatson: does jockey do anything to divert conflicting open/closed drivers? | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | no idea | 18:39 |
| cjwatson | wl is still closed from its point of view anyway | 18:39 |
| cjwatson | it's in linux-restricted-modules and listed in the jockey UI | 18:39 |
| BenC | cjwatson: I notice alsa-utils 1.0.17 was uploaded | 18:47 |
| BenC | that was fast | 18:47 |
| cjwatson | yeah, Luke squeezed it in under the freeze last night | 18:48 |
| cjwatson | sound still works for me at any rate | 18:48 |
| BenC | freeze? | 18:49 |
| CarlFK | .27 - I now have both ath5k and ath_pci loaded at the same time, which I think is bad - should I file a bug in lp? | 19:22 |
| BenC | CarlFK: Disable ath_pci by either uninstalling linux-restricted-modules or using "Hardware Drivers" control panel | 19:26 |
| * BenC => reboot | 19:28 | |
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| CarlFK | is there some way to redirect kernel boot output to usb? (laptop has no serial ports) | 21:57 |
| CarlFK | booting .27 - it pauses at various places, like right now at "[3.11...] SCSI subsystem initialized" - been there for over 1 min. If I hit any key (spacebar) it will continue, then pause somewhere else. | 22:03 |
| CarlFK | this seems very odd. | 22:03 |
| CarlFK | didn't touch it - crash - [174...] stack dump. | 22:05 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Just a wild guess. Might try clocksource=jiffies (won't probably help with the crash, but there had been cases where it helped with pauses) | 22:25 |
| CarlFK | smb_tp: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/pics/P1010005.JPG pic of screen with "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 160s! [swapper:0]" | 22:35 |
| CarlFK | smb_tp: guessing you are the smb that gave me http://people.ubuntu.com/~smb/bug254668 (same box, .27 kernel) | 22:37 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Was that with the clocksource option or just the crash you mentrioned before | 22:37 |
| smb_tp | Yes, I am | 22:37 |
| CarlFK | hi | 22:37 |
| smb_tp | Hi | 22:37 |
| CarlFK | no clocksource | 22:37 |
| smb_tp | That one looks like somewhere in the usb code | 22:37 |
| CarlFK | here is it before the dump http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/pics/P1010004.JPG | 22:38 |
| CarlFK | http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/pics/P1010003.JPG same thing, better focus | 22:39 |
| smb_tp | Yeah somewhere setting up the usb controller. The crash place is a bit strange in delay(). Hm... | 22:41 |
| CarlFK | http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/pics/P1010006.JPG "CPU1 stuck for 98s! [udevd:2033]" | 22:46 |
| CarlFK | let me know if you want me to open a lp tickit and post these | 22:47 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Yes, I just have a quick look into the code. Could you probably try the clocksource option meanwhile | 22:48 |
| smb_tp | ? | 22:48 |
| CarlFK | sure | 22:48 |
| cjwatson | 18:48 <cjwatson> yeah, Luke squeezed it in under the freeze last night | 22:56 |
| cjwatson | 18:49 <BenC> freeze? | 22:56 |
| cjwatson | oops, Ben left already | 22:56 |
| cjwatson | was going to remind him of this little thing called feature freeze ;-) | 22:56 |
| smb_tp | cjwatson, Probably he just forgot it was so close. :) | 22:58 |
| CarlFK | smb_tp: clocksource=jiffies - now it is stuck on "setting the system clock" | 23:01 |
| CarlFK | space/enter/type - shows up on console, doesn't un-pause it. power button, nothing. | 23:02 |
| CarlFK | hit the "special dvd" button (hp laptop thing) - console shows "[11.8...] atkbd.c: unknown key released..." so it isn't froze just stuck | 23:04 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Very strange. Something somewhere in the timers region. I'd say file a bug for 2.6.27 and probably include dmidecode data so its clear what system this is. At the moment, does SYSRQ-t print something? | 23:06 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Since the oops happened in delay_tsc you might also try "notsc" to see whether that changes things. | 23:12 |
| CarlFK | k - I rebooted, and this time is slightly different: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/pics/P1010009.JPG | 23:14 |
| CarlFK | hitting sysrq puts ^\ on the screen | 23:14 |
| CarlFK | what is SYSRQ-t ? (trying to cord it just does ^\t ) | 23:15 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Alt+Print+t | 23:16 |
| CarlFK | oh great - it fixed itself | 23:19 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Just by waiting or after another boot | 23:20 |
| CarlFK | another boot - with clocksource=jiffies - which would hang till I power cycled it | 23:21 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, this really feels like timing/timer stuff. But I can't place it. | 23:23 |
| CarlFK | hmm - sudo apt-get upgrade "The following packages have been kept back: hal libsmbios-bin ubuntu-minimal" | 23:23 |
| CarlFK | should I install those? | 23:24 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, I don't think they have some impact that early but it might be better to have a clean installation | 23:25 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, well probably hal might | 23:26 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, In any case, you should probably try the "notsc" option (instead of clocksource) and create a bug so this documented | 23:28 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, I have to leave now, sorry | 23:30 |
| CarlFK | no prob | 23:30 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, I uploaded another kernel to debug the other problem (it will still hang but prints more). But I did not have time to run it here, so you might want to wait or try it | 23:31 |
| CarlFK | smb_tp: bug report against .27 kernel ? | 23:32 |
| smb_tp | The crash yes | 23:32 |
| CarlFK | ill give it a shot - not like it will catch my box on fire :) | 23:32 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, No rather more hanging :) | 23:32 |
| CarlFK | huh - hitting Alt causes a register dump | 23:33 |
| CarlFK | you better get going :) | 23:33 |
| smb_tp | CarlFK, Yeah, I better do... :) | 23:34 |
| * smb_tp runs | 23:34 | |
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