[00:00] <LoCaLMaChIn1> I know Gnome has one but according to reviews its buggy just curious and see if anyone else in the room has a modem dialer that is like kppp
[00:16] <pomada> hello
[00:17] <pomada> i just install a nice font but when i try to make it bigger.. letter 11 instead of 9
[00:17] <pomada> wait
[00:17] <pomada> never mind
[00:45] <Ghetek> hey guys i want to use rsync to recursively copy all the files from /here/is/my/dir to /here/is/other/dir but i want every file to be deleted from the source after its transfered
[00:45] <zoredache> check the rsync man page.  I am almost certain I saw an option for that...
[00:46] <zoredache> it sounds like a dangerouse thing to do though...
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> Ghetek: my not use mv ?
[00:55] <bassboi> how do i unrar
[01:01] <zoredache> bassboi: start by installing unrar or unrar-free
[01:01] <zoredache> I am not sure about fileroller, but I believe a couple of the archivers will handle rar files if the those packages are installed
[22:32] <Ben_Cs> good
[22:40] <Ben_Cs> Odd-rationale: lot's of people say one of xfce advantages is it's ability of customising. so my question is: is it more customisable than gnome?
[22:41] <vinnl> It's customizable differently :P
[22:41] <vinnl> In some areas more customizable, in some less
[22:41] <vinnl> For example, you can set a list of wallpapers in Xfce by default
[22:41] <vinnl> So different wallpapers are shown each time you log in
[22:42] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: and gnome doesn't have this ability?
[22:42] <vinnl> Not by default, I believe
[22:42] <vinnl> Though I haven't used GNOME extensively recently
[22:42] <Ben_Cs> i see. good to know
[22:43] <vinnl> You're also supposed to be able to do a lot of configuration in GNOME through gconf, so perhaps you can do this from there
[22:43] <vinnl> It's not really userfriendly though
[22:43] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: neither did i. i use xfce exclusively for about a year.
[22:43] <vinnl> I'd say I've been using it for about two years now exclusively :)
[22:43] <vinnl> And the year before I used it now and then
[22:43] <vinnl> And the year before I used Windows ME :P
[22:44] <Ben_Cs> i hope that all goodies projects will continue developing non stop :)
[22:44] <vinnl> I hope that all open source projects will continue developing non-stop :)
[22:44] <TheSheep> some of them are in pretty early stages of development actually
[22:45] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: i installed ubuntu with gnome on a VM just to try out the new gnome, and i must say, i don't see advantages over xfce. xfce has developed so much over the last years
[22:45] <vinnl> Well, it is integrated very nicely, I must say :)
[22:45] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: the xfce web browser looks promising
[22:45] <vinnl> But indeed, Xfce has made amazing progress, and it's too bad to see so few people aware of that
[22:45] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: you mean midori?
[22:46] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: kalikiana is writing that one :)
[22:46] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: he started about a year ago, I think?
[22:46] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: yes midori
[22:46] <TheSheep> or was it two years already?
[22:48] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: what language do they use in goodies projects?
[22:49] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: usually C, C++ and Python
[22:49] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: most of xfce is written in C++
[22:49] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: nice
[22:49] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: btw, what's best for sys admin: python or perl?
[22:50] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: apples and oranges
[22:50] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: best for doing what exactly?
[22:50] <vinnl> Apples and oranges are the easiest to learn, definitely :)
[22:51] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: scripts for system administrating tasks
[22:51] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: bash
[22:51] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: advanced scripts?
[22:51] <TheSheep> or any other shell
[22:51] <TheSheep> csh, zsh, whatever you prefer
[22:52] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: but for complicated tasks you need perl or python no?
[22:53] <Odd-rationale> I find gnome very customizable due to gconf. i don't find it hard to understand at all. I heard talk about xfconf for xfce... anyone know much about that?
[22:53] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: perl is best for text processing
[22:53] <vinnl> Odd-rationale, xfconf is coming :)
[22:53] <vinnl> Hopefully they listen to Brain who's pushing for settings-migration scripts :)
[22:53] <Odd-rationale> vinnl: where can i read up on that?
[22:54] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: when you need to parse something, or convert something, etc.
[22:54] <vinnl> Odd-rationale, the Xfce-dev mailinglists I suppose :)
[22:54] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: and python is best for?
[22:55] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: python is a generl-purpose language
[22:55] <TheSheep> general-purpose
[22:55] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: although perl can be used for the same tasks as python?
[22:56] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: but calling external programs from python and general flow control is more complicated than in bash :)
[22:56] <favro>  
[22:56] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: all turing-complete languages can be used for the same tasks, as long as they have apropriate input/output libraries, I've seen a Brainfuck interpreter written in sed
[22:57] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it's just easier to do some things in some languages
[22:57] <vinnl> lolcode ftw :P
[22:59] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: thanks. i'm going to learn perl in OS course in college, so i better get an edge by starting by myself in this vacation. i also learn again java- haven't used it for several years. c++ i studied the last semester :)
[23:00] <Ben_Cs> maybe i shall learn wxWidgets? :)
[23:00] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: personally I like python best, but the fact is they are all pretty similar, at least compared to prolog ;)
[23:01] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: i like java for gui programming. and for faster systems c++
[23:01]  * vinnl is going to learn prolog :)
[23:01] <vinnl> (After Java)
[23:02] <TheSheep> y personal language of choice is Python, right after C
[23:02] <TheSheep> but that's just me
[23:02] <Ben_Cs> i found a very nice tutorials site: http://www.zetcode.com/
[23:03] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: i like C too. but C++ even better, because it simplifies programming
[23:03] <TheSheep> argh, a tutorial that starts with a TIOBE rating can't be any good :/
[23:03] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it does what???
[23:04] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: my favorite summary on C++:  http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/
[23:04] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: it's more natural to me to program in a language that's built on oop thinking
[23:04] <vinnl> Checking out Vala is definitely one of my plans
[23:05] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: contrary to common belief, c++ is not even an oo programming language, at least according to 2 definitions out of 3
[23:05] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: do you oppose every language that has a built-in OOP thinking?
[23:06] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: you can't build thinking into language :)
[23:06] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: but I don't oppose anything
[23:06] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: when a Class is defined - it's oop thinking
[23:06] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: then hq9++ is an OOP language?
[23:06] <vinnl> Btw, Ben_Cs, TheSheep: /j #xubuntu-offtopic  :)
[23:07] <TheSheep> vinnl: right, sorry
[23:07] <vinnl> :)
[23:07] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: don't know hq9++
[23:07] <Odd-rationale> I want to / starting to learn javascript and xul...
[23:07] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: good to know
[23:40] <jwishnie> Anyone know what codecs to add to Xubuntu Hardy to view Apple Quicktime Trailers in Firefox? I have totem-gstreamer totem-mozilla installed
[23:40] <Odd-rationale> jwishnie: try installing xubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:40] <Odd-rationale> !quicktime
[23:42] <jwishnie> restricted extras causes the following to be download:
[23:42] <jwishnie> cabextract flashplugin-nonfree java-common libdvdread3 liblame0 libmad0 libxine1-bin libxine1-ffmpeg
[23:42] <jwishnie>   msttcorefonts odbcinst1debian1 sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin unixodbc unrar
[23:42] <jwishnie> nothing appears gstreamer related
[23:42] <jwishnie> I had quicktime running under totem-gstreamer in Gutsy....
[23:43] <jwishnie> Would like to stick with gstreamer rather than switch to xine...
[23:45] <Odd-rationale> jwishnie: this might have what you;re looking for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[23:46] <jwishnie> Odd-rationale: thanks, reviewing link now
[23:47] <jwishnie> ahh, a link to Medibuntu
[23:48] <jwishnie> The weird thing is I have the same set of gstreamer codecs installed under Hardy as Gutsy
[23:48] <jwishnie> And what works in Gutsy does not in Hardy...