[00:00] I know Gnome has one but according to reviews its buggy just curious and see if anyone else in the room has a modem dialer that is like kppp [00:16] hello [00:17] i just install a nice font but when i try to make it bigger.. letter 11 instead of 9 [00:17] wait [00:17] never mind [00:45] hey guys i want to use rsync to recursively copy all the files from /here/is/my/dir to /here/is/other/dir but i want every file to be deleted from the source after its transfered [00:45] check the rsync man page. I am almost certain I saw an option for that... [00:46] it sounds like a dangerouse thing to do though... [00:51] Ghetek: my not use mv ? [00:55] how do i unrar [01:01] bassboi: start by installing unrar or unrar-free [01:01] I am not sure about fileroller, but I believe a couple of the archivers will handle rar files if the those packages are installed [22:32] good [22:40] Odd-rationale: lot's of people say one of xfce advantages is it's ability of customising. so my question is: is it more customisable than gnome? [22:41] It's customizable differently :P [22:41] In some areas more customizable, in some less [22:41] For example, you can set a list of wallpapers in Xfce by default [22:41] So different wallpapers are shown each time you log in [22:42] vinnl: and gnome doesn't have this ability? [22:42] Not by default, I believe [22:42] Though I haven't used GNOME extensively recently [22:42] i see. good to know [22:43] You're also supposed to be able to do a lot of configuration in GNOME through gconf, so perhaps you can do this from there [22:43] It's not really userfriendly though [22:43] vinnl: neither did i. i use xfce exclusively for about a year. [22:43] I'd say I've been using it for about two years now exclusively :) [22:43] And the year before I used it now and then [22:43] And the year before I used Windows ME :P [22:44] i hope that all goodies projects will continue developing non stop :) [22:44] I hope that all open source projects will continue developing non-stop :) [22:44] some of them are in pretty early stages of development actually [22:45] vinnl: i installed ubuntu with gnome on a VM just to try out the new gnome, and i must say, i don't see advantages over xfce. xfce has developed so much over the last years [22:45] Well, it is integrated very nicely, I must say :) [22:45] TheSheep: the xfce web browser looks promising [22:45] But indeed, Xfce has made amazing progress, and it's too bad to see so few people aware of that [22:45] Ben_Cs: you mean midori? [22:46] Ben_Cs: kalikiana is writing that one :) [22:46] Ben_Cs: he started about a year ago, I think? [22:46] TheSheep: yes midori [22:46] or was it two years already? [22:48] TheSheep: what language do they use in goodies projects? [22:49] Ben_Cs: usually C, C++ and Python [22:49] Ben_Cs: most of xfce is written in C++ [22:49] TheSheep: nice [22:49] TheSheep: btw, what's best for sys admin: python or perl? [22:50] Ben_Cs: apples and oranges [22:50] Ben_Cs: best for doing what exactly? [22:50] Apples and oranges are the easiest to learn, definitely :) [22:51] TheSheep: scripts for system administrating tasks [22:51] Ben_Cs: bash [22:51] TheSheep: advanced scripts? [22:51] or any other shell [22:51] csh, zsh, whatever you prefer [22:52] TheSheep: but for complicated tasks you need perl or python no? [22:53] I find gnome very customizable due to gconf. i don't find it hard to understand at all. I heard talk about xfconf for xfce... anyone know much about that? [22:53] Ben_Cs: perl is best for text processing [22:53] Odd-rationale, xfconf is coming :) [22:53] Hopefully they listen to Brain who's pushing for settings-migration scripts :) [22:53] vinnl: where can i read up on that? [22:54] Ben_Cs: when you need to parse something, or convert something, etc. [22:54] Odd-rationale, the Xfce-dev mailinglists I suppose :) [22:54] TheSheep: and python is best for? [22:55] Ben_Cs: python is a generl-purpose language [22:55] general-purpose [22:55] TheSheep: although perl can be used for the same tasks as python? [22:56] Ben_Cs: but calling external programs from python and general flow control is more complicated than in bash :) [22:56] [22:56] Ben_Cs: all turing-complete languages can be used for the same tasks, as long as they have apropriate input/output libraries, I've seen a Brainfuck interpreter written in sed [22:57] Ben_Cs: it's just easier to do some things in some languages [22:57] lolcode ftw :P [22:59] TheSheep: thanks. i'm going to learn perl in OS course in college, so i better get an edge by starting by myself in this vacation. i also learn again java- haven't used it for several years. c++ i studied the last semester :) [23:00] maybe i shall learn wxWidgets? :) [23:00] Ben_Cs: personally I like python best, but the fact is they are all pretty similar, at least compared to prolog ;) [23:01] TheSheep: i like java for gui programming. and for faster systems c++ [23:01] * vinnl is going to learn prolog :) [23:01] (After Java) [23:02] y personal language of choice is Python, right after C [23:02] but that's just me [23:02] i found a very nice tutorials site: http://www.zetcode.com/ [23:03] TheSheep: i like C too. but C++ even better, because it simplifies programming [23:03] argh, a tutorial that starts with a TIOBE rating can't be any good :/ [23:03] Ben_Cs: it does what??? [23:04] Ben_Cs: my favorite summary on C++: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ [23:04] TheSheep: it's more natural to me to program in a language that's built on oop thinking [23:04] Checking out Vala is definitely one of my plans [23:05] Ben_Cs: contrary to common belief, c++ is not even an oo programming language, at least according to 2 definitions out of 3 [23:05] TheSheep: do you oppose every language that has a built-in OOP thinking? [23:06] Ben_Cs: you can't build thinking into language :) [23:06] Ben_Cs: but I don't oppose anything [23:06] TheSheep: when a Class is defined - it's oop thinking [23:06] Ben_Cs: then hq9++ is an OOP language? [23:06] Btw, Ben_Cs, TheSheep: /j #xubuntu-offtopic :) [23:07] vinnl: right, sorry [23:07] :) [23:07] TheSheep: don't know hq9++ [23:07] I want to / starting to learn javascript and xul... [23:07] vinnl: good to know [23:40] Anyone know what codecs to add to Xubuntu Hardy to view Apple Quicktime Trailers in Firefox? I have totem-gstreamer totem-mozilla installed [23:40] jwishnie: try installing xubuntu-restricted-extras [23:40] !quicktime [23:42] restricted extras causes the following to be download: [23:42] cabextract flashplugin-nonfree java-common libdvdread3 liblame0 libmad0 libxine1-bin libxine1-ffmpeg [23:42] msttcorefonts odbcinst1debian1 sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin unixodbc unrar [23:42] nothing appears gstreamer related [23:42] I had quicktime running under totem-gstreamer in Gutsy.... [23:43] Would like to stick with gstreamer rather than switch to xine... [23:45] jwishnie: this might have what you;re looking for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats [23:46] Odd-rationale: thanks, reviewing link now [23:47] ahh, a link to Medibuntu [23:48] The weird thing is I have the same set of gstreamer codecs installed under Hardy as Gutsy [23:48] And what works in Gutsy does not in Hardy...