[00:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you take a look at my application yet?
[00:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, where is it?
[00:30] <Riddell> seaLne: that big kev?
[00:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive
[00:32] <apachelogger> I made the different kind of application ;-)
[00:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: gosh
[00:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: reads great
[00:50]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:50] <apachelogger> cool
[00:50] <apachelogger> nini Riddell
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> nini
[01:04] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah :)
[02:17] <jjesse_> anything fun happening tonight?
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> ninjas are secretly packaging KDE 4.1.1
[02:17] <jjesse_> ah secret ninjas
[02:20] <vorian> wha!
[02:20] <vorian> ninja?
[02:21] <jjesse_> i didn't realize we had packaging ninjas :)
[02:26] <apachelogger> 私達はか
[02:26] <apachelogger> that looks pretty wrong
[02:45] <apachelogger> nini
[02:47] <claydoh> KGrubEditor works nice :)
[02:49]  * ryanakca wishes his X were working...
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> working X is nice
[02:50]  * JontheEchidna is forced to use nv drivers anyway so he isn't affected
[02:55] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: neither nvidia, nv nor vesa work :/
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> maybe it's because I haven't rebooted
[02:56] <ryanakca> Oh well, the only X apps I ever really use are FF/konqueror and kpdf/okular
[03:00] <claydoh> my touchpad doesn't react to tapping here, or scrolling all of a sudden
[03:14] <neversfelde> ryanakca: ping
[03:22] <ryanakca> neversfelde: pong
[03:22] <neversfelde> ryanakca: we want to change our kubuntu-de.org design within the next few weeks and the developers of the new look asked, if kubuntu.org reached it's final status?
[03:22] <neversfelde> hi Ryan
[03:24] <ryanakca> neversfelde: There are still a few changes to make to the theme before Intrepid is released... a search box like kubuntu-fr.org, move the free download box to the right hand side... wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidWebsite
[03:26] <neversfelde> ryanakca: thx for that information, I will forward it.
[03:27] <ryanakca> neversfelde: cheers :)
[03:27] <neversfelde> btw. http://kubuntu.neversfelde.de/forum-corporate. I think it will lokk great :)
[03:28] <neversfelde> s/lokk/look
[03:29] <ryanakca> neversfelde: looks awesome :)
[03:32] <neversfelde> we did a drupal theme, too. But I do not know the status at the moment. Probably, you can use some elements of this for kubuntu.org. I am going to ask, that somebody send it to you.
[03:48] <ryanakca> neversfelde: thanks :)
[06:38] <Serega> morning all
[06:39] <Serega> is there a way to search quickly in this channel logs?
[06:39] <stdin> download the log and grep it?
[06:40] <Serega> I have visited irclogs.ubuntu.com, but it is organized in a such manner, so I can't easily "download all #kubuntu-devel logs for year"
[06:40] <Serega> stdin: ah... grep ALL logs...
[06:40] <stdin> all the logs? wow
[06:40]  * Serega sighs looking at his CPU
[06:41] <Serega> stdin: there is /YYYY/MM/DD directory structure
[06:41] <stdin> I think wget can use "globbing", so "wget http://..../YYY/*/*/#kubuntu-devel.log", or something like that
[06:42] <Serega> okay... at least it is real to search in a month
[06:42] <Serega> oh, I'll try, thanks
[07:00] <Serega> stdin: for a in `seq 01 30`; do day=`printf %.2d $a` ; wget http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/$day/%23kubuntu-devel.txt -O#kubuntu-devel-2008-04-$day; done
[07:00] <Serega> quick & easy :)
[07:01] <stdin> look at seq -w ;)
[07:01] <Serega> stdin: oh, great!
[07:02] <stdin> but you get extra points for using printf :p
[07:02]  * Serega thinking about making a flexible script for the log fetching
[07:02] <Serega> stdin: :-D
[07:02] <Serega> doh... seq even has --format
[07:02] <Serega> man rules: )
[07:31] <\sh> gosh, apachelogger will hate me now
[07:38] <Serega> \sh: what's up?
[07:39] <\sh> Serega: nothing I just +1ed apacheloggers core-dev application in a very "sweet" way ;)
[07:39] <Serega> \sh: what does this mean? :)
[07:40] <\sh> Serega: that could mean: he wants to love me, or he wants to kill me, depends on his mood ,->
[07:41] <Serega> haha
[10:05] <gribelu> if i want to upgrade to intrepid and i have both kde3 and kde4 installed should i remove any of them first to avoid conflicts?
[10:05] <gribelu> upgrade from hardy that is
[10:05] <stdin> upgrading will overwrite kde3
[10:06] <gribelu> what about 4? will i have 2 kde4's after? :D
[10:06] <stdin> no, because the new kde4 packages conflict/replace the hardy ones
[10:06] <gribelu> ah cool
[10:06] <gribelu> so i guess i'm good to go
[10:07] <stdin> if you're feeling brave, sure ;)
[10:07] <gribelu> :D
[12:30]  * apachelogger hugs \sh and jtechidna
[12:30] <apachelogger> \sh: the python comment is frightening though :P
[12:36] <apachelogger> we need some upgrade improvements ... everytime I upgrade guidance tells me my battery was removed
[12:37] <apachelogger> smarter: add a dbus interface to pause status-polling of guidance
[12:37] <JontheEchidna> aw man, kio-bookmarks 2.0 was just released
[12:37] <JontheEchidna> well, it's squarely a feature release
[12:37] <apachelogger> then we can pause polling in preinst of hal and resume it in postinst
[12:37] <\sh> apachelogger: ah you will love me :) that's a good sign ;)
[12:38] <apachelogger> hehe
[12:38] <smarter> apachelogger: but when hal is upgraded, it's stopped, and we don't know if the battery is running out of power or no, letting the user know that we don't know what's happening to the battery let them take precautions
[12:39] <apachelogger> smarter: then make an dbus interface to tell guidance we are upgrading right now
[12:39] <apachelogger> let guidance change the icon to something strange and show a popup that information might be wrong because we are upgrading the system right now
[12:39] <smarter> a dbus interface for that is a bit overkill
[12:40] <apachelogger> smarter: how else would you do it?
[12:41] <smarter> just when hal is stopped: "We don't know what may happen to your battery right now, if you're upgrading, don't worry, wait 'till it's finished, if you were about to run out of power, plug your computer"
[12:41] <apachelogger> hm
[12:41] <smarter> also, dbus interface are not that useful when DBus is stopped :
[12:41] <smarter> :P
[12:41] <apachelogger> smarter: it's a solution, not a very good one though
[12:42] <apachelogger> "What if I am not upgrading?"
[12:42] <smarter> "You're screwed up :P"
[12:42] <apachelogger> well, guidance should know exactly what is going on
[12:43] <apachelogger> so that the user does
[12:43] <smarter> it could let people restart HAL if it detects that dpkg is not running
[12:43] <apachelogger> well, we have 3 different kinds of HAL restarts
[12:43] <apachelogger> those invoked by the user
[12:44] <apachelogger> those invoked by an upgrade
[12:44] <apachelogger> those caused by a crash or something as bad as that
[12:44] <smarter> 1) user know what to do and can safely ignore the message
[12:44] <apachelogger> we don't need no message in 1)
[12:45] <apachelogger> just like we don't need one in the 2 second time frame of 2)
[12:46] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: bug 262538
[12:46] <smarter> why? user may not know what they do when they kill hal and should be informed that gpm will not shutdown your laptop before the battery is empty
[12:46] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:47] <apachelogger> smarter: which leads to the question how to restart it ;-)
[12:47] <apachelogger> smarter: but yeah, good point
[12:48] <smarter> kdesu -c "/etc/init.d/hal restart"
[12:48] <apachelogger> you would have to tell them
[12:49] <apachelogger> otherwise it is like "don't shoot the bunny" but you don't take away the gun
[12:49] <smarter> :]
[13:18] <nixternal> good morning
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> !nixternal
[14:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: What did I sponsor for you?
[14:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: kdesdk
[14:19] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[14:23] <\sh> apachelogger: bug #256261 is an easy one...just fix it now ,-)
[14:32] <apachelogger> hm
[14:32] <nixternal> -1
[14:33] <nixternal> seeing as I don't have intrepid and qt 4.4.1, I can't install your core-dev app, so -1 from me
[14:33] <apachelogger> it's open source -> go read the source :P
[14:34] <ScottK> nixternal: Use the source.
[14:34] <nixternal> its your app, you scratch my itch this time
[14:34] <\sh> port the app to hardy ,)
[14:34] <\sh> backport it
[14:34] <ScottK> nixternal: Do you really want to install .debs from an unsigned repository in any case (consider DNS cache poisoning in your answer)?
[14:34] <apachelogger> ppa's can't build against hardy-backport
[14:35] <apachelogger> well
[14:35] <apachelogger> actually the app should build against whatever is in hardy
[14:35] <apachelogger> nixternal: first the bug if that is ok with you
[14:36] <apachelogger> \sh: you know, I don't like that kdm is s99, and I don't like that it if -x's it and I don't like that it dev/nulls the output
[14:36]  * apachelogger should rewrite that whole postinst
[14:37] <\sh> apachelogger: so why don't you move it to S30 then? same as gdm?
[14:38] <apachelogger> that is a very good question
[14:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: is there a reason we use S99 for kdm?
[14:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Why not ask for a freeze exception for kio-bookmarks?
[14:39] <\sh> the fun part about it, the report tells us: hal is not started when KDM is already up..so if kdm is now S99 it starts after HAL...so the bug is already fixed in intrepid?
[14:40] <smarter> \sh: not on upgrades
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: hmm, I guess you're right. There isn't any documentation or translations for it at the moment
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> so nothing to break
[14:41] <apachelogger> \sh: the bug is for intrepid
[14:41]  * apachelogger reads the changelog
[14:42] <apachelogger> meh
[14:42] <apachelogger> according to changelog it wasn't touched in months
[14:43] <\sh> so what's that then?
[14:43] <apachelogger> first things first
[14:43] <apachelogger> according to gdm's changelog it was changed to not use S99 due to debian bug 291187
[14:44] <apachelogger> oh
[14:44] <apachelogger> that makes tons of sense
[14:44] <apachelogger> I am making Intrepid boot faster now :P
[14:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Are we merging the Debian 4.1.0 changes as we package 4.1.1?
[14:49] <apachelogger> not enough time
[14:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: Why?
[14:50] <apachelogger> because we have to package 70 packages for 2 distro series where one is completely different
[14:50] <apachelogger> +QA
[14:50] <apachelogger> simply not enough time/manpower to do a merge at the same time
[14:51] <apachelogger> \sh: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/256261/comments/8
[14:51] <ScottK> I don't worry about it for Hardy, just Intrepid.
[14:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: We need to pull it back together with Debian at some point and it'll be even harder for 4.1.2 than now.
[14:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: we should do it between 4.1.1 and 4.1.2
[14:53] <apachelogger> rushing a merge within the < 7 days we got for packaging wouldn't have good influence on the quality
[14:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: you got kde3 kdm installed?
[14:53] <ScottK> OK;  As long as there's a plan.
[14:53] <ScottK> In hardy, yes.
[14:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: please paste the output of ls -l /etc/rc*/*kdm
[14:55] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Please paste that again.  Desktop is Dapper, so that won't help much.
[14:55] <apachelogger> ls -l /etc/rc*/*kdm
[14:55] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks.
[14:56] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41558/
[14:57] <ScottK-laptop> And why is there no paste.kubuntu.org?
[14:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: thank you very much
[14:57] <ScottK-laptop> No problem.
[14:58] <apachelogger> \sh: ok, I reproduced the isssue - kdm was using S13, kdm-kde4 did use S99, when kdm-kde4 became kdm it was not providing a transition from S13 because it was missing the update-rc.d remove
[15:00] <\sh> apachelogger: I just did yesterday an upgrade of hardy to intrepid with kde3 installed
[15:00] <\sh> apachelogger: and kdm-kde4
[15:01] <\sh> apachelogger: kdm-kde4 wasn't even touched, and before kdm was S99.
[15:01] <\sh> or did I fix it myself?
[15:02]  * apachelogger downloads kde3 kdebase
[15:02] <apachelogger> \sh: well maybe kdm was missing a transition in KDE 3 already
[15:02] <apachelogger> so ScottK's S13 is even older
[15:03] <Riddell> moving it back to an earlier start point should be ok so long as it gets testing (which kdm does)
[15:04] <apachelogger> gdm also suses S30, so I guess it should be pretty save
[15:04] <ScottK-laptop> This laptop was originally installed as Hardy, so no older legacy is possible.
[15:04]  * apachelogger just needs to find the perfect transition here
[15:04] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: ok
[15:04] <apachelogger> \sh: you probably did fix it then
[15:05] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Run grep S99 * over the debian dir of the kde3 kdebase.
[15:06] <apachelogger> ./changelog:  * Fix kdm.postinst to correctly update existing S99kdm links to S13kdm
[15:06] <apachelogger> ./changelog:  * Fix kdm.postinst to update existing S99kdm links to S13kdm
[15:06] <apachelogger> ./changelog:  * Make kdm start at at S13 rather than S99 (see Ubuntu Bugzilla No 3143
[15:06] <apachelogger> we did fix that 3 times
[15:07] <apachelogger> might it be that debian was using S99 all along and we always merge-lost the S13?
[15:10] <\sh> but s13 is wrong...since hal became new world order
[15:10] <apachelogger> well, not in hardy
[15:11] <ScottK-laptop> I don't have the KDE4 source locally.  Does kdm.postinst not have something like "update-rc.d kdm defaults 13 01 >/dev/null" in it?
[15:13] <\sh> apachelogger: you mean, the changelog comes from hardy package latest entry?
[15:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: it does, but that is not going to do anything without update-rc.d remove
[15:14] <ScottK-laptop> Oh.
[15:14] <\sh> ./changelog:  * Make kdm start at at S13 rather than S99 (see Ubuntu Bugzilla No 3143 <- this is ancient
[15:14] <apachelogger> \sh: well yeah, we don't have kdebase KDE 3 in intrepid anymore ;-)
[15:15] <\sh> apachelogger: just move them to S30 as gdm...and go...drop the S99 and S13 crap, try to update-rc.d remove them if they exists...
[15:16] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:16] <apachelogger> writing the changelog right now
[15:19] <apachelogger> \sh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41568/
[15:19] <apachelogger> what do you think?
[15:21] <\sh> apachelogger: if would just if [ -e ...S99kdm ]; update-rc.d remove elif [ -e S13kdm ]; update-rc.d remove ... fi update-rc.d <set to S30>
[15:21] <\sh> so you save one line ;-)
[15:21] <apachelogger> then update-rc.d would be executed every time
[15:22] <\sh> s/apachelogger: if/apachelogger: I/
[15:22] <apachelogger> which is unnecessary and slows down installation :P
[15:22] <\sh> apachelogger: make sure only on upgrade ...
[15:22] <apachelogger> hm
[15:23] <\sh> and in install set it correctly to 30
[15:23] <apachelogger> well
[15:23] <apachelogger> how to do an IF foo OR bar; then in sh?
[15:23] <apachelogger> that would probably the best solution of all
[15:26] <\sh> if [ -e ... ] || [ -e ...] ; then I would say
[15:26] <\sh> hopefully that's dash
[15:27] <apachelogger> ah
[15:28]  * apachelogger just did [ statement || statement ]
[15:28] <apachelogger> ] || [ works
[15:28]  * apachelogger hands \sh a cookie
[15:29] <\sh> hopefully with some ingridiens from .nl
[15:29] <apachelogger> lol
[15:29] <apachelogger> meh
[15:30] <apachelogger> because of all the kdebase downloads my upload of kdebase-runtime died -.-
[15:30] <apachelogger> \sh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41570/
[15:31] <apachelogger> *testbuilding
[15:35] <\sh> apachelogger: you forgot now to set update-rc.d S30 somehow...or I'm blind?
[15:36] <apachelogger> \sh: true, you shouldn't have said moving it out of the if
[15:36] <\sh> apachelogger: na, I was right, but you didn't follow my orders ;)
[15:37] <apachelogger> right, the idea was better than yours, the execution was just not very reasonable :P
[15:38] <\sh> apachelogger: just fix it and you can has core-dev
[15:39] <apachelogger> not without testing
[16:14] <apachelogger> Riddell or ScottK-laptop: bug 256261 needs some sponsoring :)
[16:16]  * ScottK-laptop looks
[16:18] <apachelogger> I am off for today
[16:18] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger and Riddell: I'll take it.
[16:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: thank you :)
[16:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: you don't need to testbuild
[16:18] <apachelogger> I pbuilt and upgraded in both scenarios
[16:19] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: I'll testbuild anyway.  Thanks.
[16:34] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: When do we plan to upload 4.1.1?
[16:34] <ScottK-laptop> Before or after alpha5?
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> [11:17:49] <apachelogger> I am off for tonight
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> [11:17:55] <apachelogger> or mabye half the night
[16:35] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.  Saw that.  Maybe he'd still be around anyway
[16:35] <Riddell> alpha 5?
[16:35] <ScottK-laptop> The one Main freezes for on Tuesday?
[16:35] <ScottK-laptop> It is 5 isn't it?
[16:36] <Riddell> yeah, how inconvenient
[16:36] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.
[16:36] <seele> Riddell: do you have the grep command you used to process the hardware logs saves somewhere?
[16:36] <Riddell> guess we can upload on monday
[16:37] <ScottK-laptop> I think we ought to.
[16:37] <ScottK-laptop> A lot of people will test the alpha and better to do that on 4.1.1
[16:37] <Riddell> seele: grep + " detected " + options.root + entry + " | grep @ | sed 's/.*<detected>//' | sed 's/ @.*//'"
[16:38] <Riddell> seele: grep detected <file> | grep @ | sed 's/.*<detected>//' | sed 's/ @.*//'"
[16:39] <seele> ugh.. now to figure out wtf that means
[16:39] <seele> Riddell: thanks :)
[17:42] <Riddell> thanks for the release meeting update ScottK-laptop
[17:42] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: No trouble.  I hope it was reasonably accurate....
[17:57] <nemphis> Does someone need an intrepid countdown? http://www.seqfault.de/files/intrepid_countdown.png
[17:58] <Riddell> ryanakca: ^^
[17:59] <yuriy> 30 days?
[17:59] <ScottK-laptop> Long days.
[17:59] <nemphis> yuriy: just to show it ;)
[18:00] <jdong> maybe we can count down in seconds :)
[18:00] <jdong> or uploads. whichever is greater.
[18:00] <nemphis> :D
[18:01] <seele> is there a way to view dependencies for a package on launchpad?
[18:01] <ScottK> seele: Yes.
[18:01] <ScottK> You have to go to the page for a particular binary package.
[18:01] <ScottK> apt-cache depends is a lot easier.
[18:02] <seele> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kgrubeditor/0.8.1-0ubuntu1
[18:02] <seele> is that the right page?
[18:02] <ScottK> No.  That's source.  Let me get you a link
[18:02] <seele> ok.  sorry.. but i've been looking for 10 minutes
[18:02]  * seele kicks launchpad
[18:02] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/kgrubeditor/0.8.1-0ubuntu1
[18:03] <ScottK> Note that for an arch:any package like kgrubeditor it may be different on different archs.
[18:03] <seele> ok.. thanks for the help :)
[18:04] <ScottK> seele: It certainly won't hurt my feelings if you find the LP U/I obscure, overcomplicated, and hard to use and file bugs as a result.
[18:23] <seele> hmm
[18:23] <seele> ScottK: is linking to this page to download a .deb or source a bad idea? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kgrubeditor/
[18:24] <seele> i want people to be able to download kgrubeditor and test it without having to add intrepid sources in apt
[18:25] <ScottK> seele: The problem is that those .debs were built on the Intrepid toolchain.  They aren't suitable for Hardy.
[18:25] <seele> even if they have all the deps?
[18:25] <ScottK> Versions will be different.
[18:25] <ScottK> It may, or may not, be OK.  Someone who is experienced should test it first at the very least.
[18:26] <ScottK> If PPAs signed their release file, that'd be the way to go.
[18:27] <ScottK> Also it's built against KDE4, so you can't run it in Hardy without the KDE4 PPA.
[18:27] <ScottK> #   kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.0)
[18:27] <ScottK> # kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.0)
[18:27] <seele> right, i know that part
[18:27] <ScottK> My suggestion would be to upload a version to that PPA and let people install it that way.
[18:28] <seele> so much for that idea, i guess intrepid users will be enough for testing but it's kindof stupid to blog about it since most people wont be testing intrepid
[18:28] <seele> ok, maybe apachelogger can repackage it for me then
[18:28] <ScottK> Many of the people here could do it.  It's not very complex and lots of people have access to upload to the PPA.
[18:30] <seele> ScottK: ok, i'll ping some bodies when i get back from my meeting
[19:07] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/256261/comments/15 - please fix.
[20:26] <yuriy> so someone else I'm working with is running into django not working under kde4, like I was with project neon packages
[20:29] <yuriy> somehow creating a QuerySet crashes when running python in a konsole, but works fine on a TTY
[20:30] <yuriy> I only had this problem w/ project neon, but he's on 4.0.3
[21:36] <ryanakca> nemphis: thanks :)
[21:41] <Riddell> yuriy: does django have anything to do with Qt?
[21:41] <Riddell> or if it works on a TTY see what the difference in the environment is
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: do you really live in the arctic ocean like your launchpad page suggests?
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> heh, we only have 5 kubuntu members in america
[21:50] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: haha, from what I heard, there was a bug where people could move others... dunno if it's true... elmo was marked to be living in Manitoba...
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> lawl
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> 9 people from europe have set their locations with google maps
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> only 5 form america
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> I have the feeling we're outnumbered
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> at least we beat Canada, \o/
[21:53] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Eh, we'll catch up
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> oh wait, we have more
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> I just wasn't zoomed in far enough
[21:55] <ryanakca> You can't count the one in Manitoba...
[21:55] <ryanakca> I guess I'm the only Canadian, unless more people pin their location...
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> Is bug 262379 a dupe of bug 256261?
[22:03] <seele> JontheEchidna: me, you, nixternal, scottk, and i think yuriy is up in boston, no?
[22:03] <seele> is that really all who are in the US? there have to be more
[22:04] <seele> oh
[22:05] <seele> JontheEchidna: are you a motu?
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> nope
[22:06]  * JontheEchidna lives in New Hampshire
[22:08] <seele> so we're all east coasters except for nix
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> vorian is in ohio
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> not exactly west-coast but not exactly mid-west
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> *not exactly east coast
[22:16] <seele> ohio is considered mid-west
[22:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: oi, stupid pretty much
[22:23] <nixternal> GO MIDWEST!!!
[22:23] <nixternal> GO CHICAGO!!!
[22:23]  * nixternal is doing the Chicago Critical Mass bicycle ride
[22:24] <nixternal> the same one where the NYC cop tackled the cyclist, but our cops are cool, they ride with us
[22:28] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: bug 256261 :)
[22:48] <yuriy> Riddell: nothing at all. that's what makes this bug so weird
[22:50] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: what is this map you are looking at?
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: on the kubuntu team's LP page
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> oops
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> stupid copy/paste not workign
[22:56] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:57] <apachelogger> why is quassel using opera as browser
[23:42] <Riddell> taupter: about?
[23:53] <apachelogger> ubottu: please tell me about bug 237336
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> basically, nepomunk lives in /usr/lib/kde4
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> strigi lives in /usr
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> and then people are complaining about the backend
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> but we can't use the sesame backend because it uses those .jar files
[23:55] <Riddell> those would be packagable
[23:55] <Riddell> it's more a question of if we want java on the CD
[23:56] <apachelogger> I think we can't
[23:56]  * apachelogger curses kernel 2.6.27
[23:56] <apachelogger> *reboot*
[23:56] <Riddell> we can, but it likely would cause space problems
[23:56] <Riddell> and well, ug
[23:57] <Riddell> java
[23:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: space problems is what I meant
[23:57] <apachelogger> of course, if we would remove openoffice.... ;-)
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> hehe