[00:00] <Fieldy> ... that's scary
[00:00] <Alex135> ya it is
[00:00] <Fieldy> i'm wondering if that upgrade was pulled back, i saw it yesterday, didn't do it, now today, it's not in upgrades
[00:01] <Alex135> it possibly was
[00:01] <Alex135> for the same reason as i just described
[00:01] <Ertain> So would you suggest that I go to the previous release?
[00:01] <Alex135> im not sure
[00:02] <Alex135> let me get my system up to date first and ill let you know
[00:02] <Alex135> (could take a bit)
[00:02] <Alex135> yours could be a simple fix
[00:02] <Alex135> but i dont know
[00:02] <Alex135> im just giving my warning from what im having to go through right now
[00:03] <Alex135> somehow openGL forgot itself aswell
[00:03] <Alex135> tried to reinstall my Nvidia drivers
[00:04] <Alex135> BAM no GUI when i restart X
[00:04] <Alex135> didn't configure properly
[00:04] <Alex135> thats when i found out about things being screwd up
[00:04] <Fieldy> still waiting for newer versions of nvidia drivers before mine is supported, i'm quite surprised it's not in yet
[00:05] <Alex135> Fieldy: not sure...
[00:06] <Ertain> Yeah, with a previous kernel I had to update the restricted video drivers.
[00:11] <Alex135> *sigh* well no going back now, i just cleard my disk for my new install... sure hope i backed up everything properly that i needed
[00:13] <Alex135> (what sucks is that i couldn't find a cd lying around for this, so i was forced to use one of my DVD's to burn Kubuntu on... i really needed to get this done right away... but i wasted a DVD in the process :P
[00:13] <Ertain> Curse that waste.
[00:13] <Alex135> Linux is never a waste
[00:14] <Alex135> nomater what size of cd/dvd you install it from :p
[00:15] <Alex135> (besides the things are dirt cheap anyway)
[00:16] <eamon> im trying to create a new folder on my storage hdd but when i right click the create folder isnt highlighted?
[00:17] <Alex135> your sure you have write permission?
[00:17] <Alex135> (are you root)
[00:17] <Alex135> in the drives directory try: sudo mkdir <folder name here>
[00:18] <eamon> ok hold up this could take a while
[00:18] <Alex135> lol
[00:18] <Alex135> k
[00:20] <dwidmann> Alex135: using a DVD isn't necessarily a waste, if you buy from the right place, preferably in bulk, they cost the same, and you get faster read/write with DVDs than CDs
[00:21] <Alex135> dwidmann: that is true... but you use a lot more... i would think it would be a better use if all the packages i normally install in a Kubuntu install that arn't on the disk were on there and auto installed aswell)
[00:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> really, does konqeuror not know what tabs are?
[00:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> tab browseing
[00:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> etc
[00:21] <Alex135> Sixofour|Sleep: ya it does... why?
[00:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> its opening every link in a new windows
[00:22] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: that's configurable behaviour :)
[00:22] <Alex135> Sixofour|Sleep: check in the options menu's, you should find something
[00:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> i want middle mouse to = new tab?
[00:23] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: not sure about that, but double click will do the job ...
[00:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> how can you double click something that opens a new windows on click?..that will give me two windows
[00:24] <dwidmann> ah, see, that's the kind of answer you get from being vague, I took it into a different context.
[00:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> if firefox wasn't a profile tard thsi wouldn't be an issue :(
[00:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> firefox has made me build 14 profiles, because it likes to erase them when i close
[00:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> because the programmers hate linux
[00:26] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: settings -> configure konqueror, Web Behavior tab, several options there, more if you click "advanced options"
[00:35] <superrad> i need to reformat my hdd to change the partitions, could I just copy my ubuntu install to a backup drive by doing sudo cp -a /*location of ubuntu root* /*location of backupdrive* from a live cd then reformat then copy it back to the new partition in the same way then edit fstab and grub?
[00:36] <fujisan_> Extract with “tar -xvjf prism-0.8-linux.tar.bz2 -C /opt ” <-- how do i do this in kubuntu?
[00:36] <dwidmann> superrad: should work, why not just back up the partition to an image with something like dd instead though, one file to manage instead of hundreds of thousands
[00:37] <superrad> dwidmann: i've read the dd man page but I still couldnt understand what commands i'd need to do
[00:38] <lnx1> 123
[00:39] <dwidmann> superrad: an example of how to use it, assuming the partition you want to back up is /dev/sda5 and the drive you want to put to store the backup on is mounted on  "dd if=/dev/sda5 of=/media/backup/partition_sda5_backup"
[00:40] <dwidmann> superrad: might also want to specify  bs=4096
[00:41] <superrad> dwidmann: where would bs=4096 go on the command?
[00:41] <dwidmann> superrad: anywhere after the "dd" at the beginning of the line
[00:42] <dwidmann> superrad: specifying bs=4096 forces it to use a block size of 4096 bytes ... may speed up the transfer as opposed to not using it
[00:43] <superrad> so it would be something like "dd bs=4096 if=/dev/sda5 of=/media/backup....? what does the bs=4096 mean?
[00:44] <superrad> ah right thanks, i'll give that a go now
[00:46] <dwidmann> superrad: keep in mind that the place where you back up this partition will need to be large enough to hold that entire partition
[00:47] <superrad> yeah i've borrowed a 160GB usb hdd and my root and home folders only come to 8GB
[00:49] <dwidmann> superrad: and when I say entire partition I mean not space used, but the actual partition size.
[00:49] <superrad> oh right, luckily still have enough space though
[01:08] <fujisan> # Unpackage the file. A directory called install_flash_player_9_linux will be created.
[01:08] <fujisan> # In terminal, navigate to this directory and type ./flashplayer-installer to run the installer. Click Enter. The installer will instruct you to shut down your browser(s).
[01:08] <fujisan> help me please
[01:09] <fujisan> i did cd to the location but now i dont know how to execute the command appending ./flasplayer-installer didnt work
[01:09] <MrKennie1> fujisan: what is the problem?
[01:09] <fujisan> fujisan@ubuntu:~/Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux$ $./flashplayer-installer to run the installer <-- make this right for me please
[01:09] <fujisan> this command
[01:09] <MrKennie1> fujisan: ok
[01:10] <MrKennie1> fujisan: you can just install flashplugin-nonfree
[01:10] <MrKennie1> there is a package
[01:10] <fujisan> no no
[01:10] <MrKennie1> er, that is the package.
[01:10] <fujisan> i need flash from adobe
[01:10] <MrKennie1> that is flash from adobe
[01:10] <fujisan> nope
[01:10] <fujisan> i need this one
[01:11] <MrKennie1> it's an automated installer infact
[01:11] <MrKennie1> explain
[01:11] <fujisan> i need this one
[01:11] <fujisan> i just need this one for certain webapps
[01:11] <MrKennie1> but flashplugin-nonfree is the same thing
[01:11] <MrKennie1> it will download from adobe and install for you
[01:13] <fujisan> its not the same
[01:13] <fujisan> i was told it is not the same
[01:14] <MrKennie1> not the same as what? it comes from adobe
[01:14] <fujisan> so who can help me??
[01:14] <fujisan> yeah give it a rest please i am not repeating it again, thanks for your help, but you arent helping me
[01:15] <Finger> Hello
[01:15] <MrKennie> fujisan: how can anyone help if you won;t listen
[01:15] <MrKennie> or read
[01:15] <fujisan> dude
[01:15] <Finger> New Linux user here, I had a few questions if anyone has a moment
[01:15] <MrKennie> whatever..
[01:15] <fujisan> just leave it alone you can't help me thats fine
[01:16] <MrKennie> obviously not
[01:17] <Finger> Anyone able to answer a few new user questions?
[01:17] <MrKennie> Finger: ask away
[01:18] <Finger> Well I'm a hopeful Windows convert and had a few program questions
[01:18] <MrKennie> ok
[01:18] <Finger> like useful apps, things that can gimme pretty shinies as far as UI etc
[01:19] <MrKennie> well, Kubuntu has support from nice UI effects
[01:19] <Finger> I"ve heard many people talk about Wine, and other programs just wondering what, if any, I should be looking for to enhance my Linux experience
[01:19] <MrKennie> it's not enabled by default but it's easy to setup
[01:19] <Finger> I've already installed Kubuntu, on it now actually
[01:19] <MrKennie> cool
[01:19] <Finger> well I know NO coding and I'm a complete noob when it comes to Linux
[01:20] <MrKennie> it's all done in a gui
[01:20] <Finger> felt like nuclear physics to get my soundcard drivers (X-Fi) and Flash 10 installed lol
[01:20] <MrKennie> K->System->Desktop Effects
[01:20] <Finger> compiz?
[01:21] <MrKennie> yea
[01:21] <MrKennie> that will get you some prettiness
[01:21] <MrKennie> what graphics you got?
[01:21] <Finger> 8800 GTS
[01:21] <Finger> My other OS is Vista
[01:22] <MrKennie> hmm, you will probably need to install the nvidia drivers if you haven't already
[01:22] <Finger> ya its was the first thing it prompted me to do on rebooting
[01:22] <MrKennie> you should be all set to play around with the desktop effects stuff then
[01:22] <Finger> ok I'm installing (or so I thought) and its asking me if I want to remove Compiz KDE... do i?
[01:23] <MrKennie> remove? hmm
[01:23] <Finger> thats what this prompt is asking me
[01:23] <Finger> but it wasnt installed, the only selectable box was the install one
[01:24] <MrKennie> hmm
[01:24] <Finger> hmm I hit ok and now I can select the desktop effects
[01:24] <MrKennie> well, seems to have gone ok
[01:24] <master_> tgg
[01:24] <Finger> so what are all the different selections do?
[01:25] <MrKennie> different levels of effects from minimal to custom
[01:25] <Finger> does custom dictate I need any coding?
[01:25] <MrKennie> no
[01:25] <Finger> I know my PC and Video can handle anything Linux has got =P
[01:26] <Finger> how do I custiomiz it afterwards?
[01:29] <guest> oopppppppps
[01:29] <Finger> ....
[01:30] <sevenseeker1> Howdy, what is the recommended way to set a FQDN on a box? (when using DHCP, but not wanting the server to set it)
[01:30] <Finger> MrKennie?
[01:31] <master_> #EVOLUTION
[01:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there a compiz for kKDE 3.5?
[01:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> KDE*
[01:50] <fujisan> what is the meta key on the keyboard?
[01:54] <Dragnslcr> Alt, I think
[01:54] <fujisan> thanks
[01:56] <eamon> how do i create a shared folder
[01:59] <Finger> anyone know where I could find some pretty nice (techy, scifi, HD) themes?
[02:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i change video drivers?
[02:03] <Finger> Ya know, for a channel with so many people to help/get help there seems to be a severe lack of the help =P
[02:04] <neversfelde> Finger: kde-look.org, Please be patient. thx.
[02:04] <Finger> heh I asked questions like 40 min ago that never got answered
[02:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> kubuntu is dead right now heh
[02:04] <Finger> I think I was being pretty patient
[02:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> i just ask ib ubuntu
[02:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> if kubuntu doesn't respond
[02:05] <eamon> how do i share a folder
[02:05] <neversfelde> Sixofour|Sleep: do whatever you like :)
[02:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> #ubuntu
[02:06] <Finger> ty
[02:06] <Finger> Anyone know of any possible solution to Flash 10 crashing FF3?
[02:07] <neversfelde> eamon: I do not know an english howto, search for samba ant nfs, sorry.
[02:07] <neversfelde> s/ant/and
[02:07] <RollingD34th> i need help installing a sound card, when i did the install i did not have net access,wasn't home, i now have access but can't figure out how to install the card
[02:08] <Finger> which card
[02:08] <RollingD34th> i've tried the docs, but they don't give me any idea if it doesn't show the card
[02:08] <RollingD34th> that's would be another problem, it's an old laptop, i don't know ecaxtly
[02:08] <RollingD34th> I think it's a sound blaster pro
[02:09] <Finger> usually the mfg should have some documentation to tell you which audio device it has in it
[02:09] <alan> Hi
[02:09] <Dr_willis> or it may be a 'sound blaster pro compatiable' which isent exactly the same thing. :)
[02:09] <Dr_willis> The good old days.
[02:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> so i have an ATi Radeon, right now..system is using intel drivers o.O..i am looking and the only radeon drivers are "ATi Radeon, Radeon 8500, Radeon (fbdev), Radeon (fglrx), Radeon (Vesa)...which should i use?
[02:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> I have Ati Radeon x1300*
[02:09] <RollingD34th> the docs i found on tell me either sound plaster pro or 16
[02:09] <Finger> do a google search on your model number and see if you can find it that way
[02:10] <RollingD34th> i think it's the pro due to the hdd size and ram
[02:10] <alan> I need help with this: I got the files from a CD, but i need to create a .iso and i dont have the CD anymore.
[02:11] <Finger> download the ISO
[02:12] <Finger> Rolling, for cards that old usually the drivers are universal
[02:12] <RollingD34th> well, xubuntu it's reconizing it's existance
[02:13] <Finger> but...
[02:13] <Finger> ?
[02:16] <RollingD34th> [21:09] <Finger> ?, my sentiments excatly
[02:17] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: I'd say, if it will run respectably, use the "radeon" driver.
[02:18] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: if it's using intel drivers, then there may be an onboard graphics chip. How well is it working for you?
[02:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm installing the proprietary
[02:20] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: really? I've heard that the open source drivers actually do very well and even have 3d support with at least some of the older Radeon series cards ...
[02:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm trying these first though
[02:21] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: and I asked about the intel mainly because the newer intel graphics chips are fairly well supported (far from perfect though) ... namely the X3000 chip and above.
[02:21] <MrKennie> you might have problems with some games using wine and opensource ati but if you don't play games it doesn't matter anyway :)
[02:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> nothing in my computer is intel cept my processor,
[02:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> i do play games and i do use wine
[02:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i use a .run file?
[02:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> binary
[02:22] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: you'll need to chmod +x the file, then run it like this "./thefilesname.run"
[02:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> uh
[02:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> can you show me exactly how to do that?
[02:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> ati-driver-installer-8-8-x86.x86_64.run
[02:23] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: move the file to your home directory
[02:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> er wtf, i don't have 64bit
[02:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> whats the command to run it?
[02:24] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: well, it would be like this for that file, "chmod +x ati-driver-installer-8-8-x86.x86_64.run" then "sudo ~/ati-driver-installer-8-8-x86.x86_64.run"
[02:25] <eamon> whats the command to share a particular folder on ubuntu
[02:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> !samba | eamon
[02:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> so, now i need to tell kde3.5 to use this drive correct?
[02:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> drive
[02:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> driver
[02:27] <MrKennie> eamon: you can also right click o na folder in konqueror or dolphin and choose properties and hit the share tab
[02:27] <dwidmann> eamon: alternatively you can use NFS
[02:27] <MrKennie> not show how well it works though, I alwy
[02:27] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: well, not exactly, you need to tell X to use it.
[02:27] <MrKennie> er, I always do things manually
[02:28] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: which involves editing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[02:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh..how?
[02:28] <MrKennie> does ati have a config tool?
[02:28] <MrKennie> like nvidia
[02:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> um..it did, but i forgot the command lol
[02:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> crono@Nekron:~$ aticonfig
[02:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[02:29] <Sixofour|Sleep>   Major opcode of failed request:  146 (ATIFGLEXTENSION)
[02:29] <Sixofour|Sleep>   Minor opcode of failed request:  7 ()
[02:29] <Sixofour|Sleep>   Serial number of failed request:  8
[02:29] <Sixofour|Sleep>   Current serial number in output stream:  8
[02:29] <Pici> !paste
[02:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> crono@Nekron:~$
[02:30] <MrKennie> well, editing the config isn't that bad
[02:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> so hows it look doc? am i gonna live?
[02:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> ive already edited the config before
[02:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> i disable some keys
[02:31] <MrKennie> anyway, sorry, I'm confusing the issue.
[02:31] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: hmmm, I'm not sure if that command worked for you or not ... I've got nvidia's in all of my systems atm
[02:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> ati installed, i was clicking next trhough the gui
[02:32] <MrKennie> I think it's fglrx-config.. ir it was
[02:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> it mentioend aticonfig at the end
[02:32]  * RollingD34th still needs to know how to install is sound card
[02:32] <sevenseeker1> does anyone know what the recommended way to set a domain name (for FQDN) is in Kubuntu?
[02:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do you know your sound card is not fine and you just don't have oss?
[02:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> crono@Nekron:~$ fglrx-config
[02:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> bash: fglrx-config: command not found
[02:33] <dwidmann> RollingD34th: pull a shell, and type "alsamixer", what does it call the card, if it tells you?
[02:33] <MrKennie> hm, I only have one ati and that's an old 9000
[02:34] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: type fglrx then press tab, it should auto complete
[02:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> nope..it just says beep
[02:35] <RollingD34th> finction snd)ctl_open failed for defualt: no such filre or directory
[02:35] <MrKennie> hm, maybe it has changed
[02:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> same beep if i hit backspece with no text
[02:35] <dwidmann> sevenseeker1: I forget if it involves editing /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname or using the domain command, or some combination of the above :\
[02:36] <dwidmann> **erm, s/domain/hostname
[02:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> so what do i edit in zorg.conf?
[02:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> xorg
[02:37] <dwidmann> well, for sure you have to change the driver in the device section to 'fglrx', but other than that, I'm not sure if more edits would have to be made or not.
[02:38] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: try sudo aticonfig --initial
[02:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> same error
[02:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> the ati linux driver wiki sats use aticonfig :(
[02:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> says*
[02:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> use aticonfig + aticonfig broke = :?
[02:39] <MrKennie> looks like a manual operation then
[02:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> indeed
[02:40] <MrKennie> I'm not sure if it's still called fglrx though
[02:41] <MrKennie> a basic config would be a matter of adding Driver "fglrx" to the device section
[02:41] <Sixofour|Sleep>     * /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:41] <Sixofour|Sleep>     X configuration file. Find the Device section for your ATI card and edit the Driver line to read
[02:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> Driver "fglrx"
[02:41] <Sixofour|Sleep>  Note: This is the least-preferred method. Many things can stop working.
[02:41] <MrKennie> you know how to switch to VT right?
[02:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> many things can stop working
[02:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> maby if i knew what VT was
[02:42] <sevenseeker1> dwidmann: thanks for the info.  I tried editing /etc/hosts but I got messages saying it could not resolve the hostname then so perhaps they do it different then on older Unix systems
[02:42] <MrKennie> pressing ctrl+alt+F1 through to F7 will change VT, useful if X breaks ;)
[02:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh i know
[02:42] <MrKennie> F7 and upwards sometimes..
[02:42] <dwidmann> sevenseeker1: well, it wouldn't be only /etc/hosts, like I said there's definitely more to it, you probably have to change it with the hostname command too
[02:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> so how do i add that line?
[02:43] <dwidmann> MrKennie: actually through to f12
[02:43] <MrKennie> yea, so backup the config edit and try it
[02:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> dunno how o.O
[02:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> the last edit i did was automatic
[02:44] <MrKennie> using what?
[02:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> konsole
[02:44] <MrKennie> I mean, you said it was automatic but what was you using for it to do that?
[02:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> i dunno, someone told me to put stuff into konsole
[02:45] <MrKennie> oh, lol
[02:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> was a while ago
[02:45] <Ertain> Hello once again everyone.
[02:45] <sevenseeker1> dwidmann: yes, I played around with that one too... however I think in my iterations to solve the problem I edited /etc/hosts wrong, now it works with the usual 'x.x.x.x<tab>hostname.domain.com<tab>hostname'
[02:45] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: ok, type kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:45] <sevenseeker1> dwidmann: I left /etc/hostname alone
[02:46] <dwidmann> sevenseeker1: I think I did too, last time I did it
[02:46] <sevenseeker1> dwidmann: thanks for your help, you ensured me I was on the right track (and needed to be more careful) :)
[02:48] <RollingD34th> dwidmann: any more suggestions?
[02:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> pft kubuntu locked up
[02:50] <MrKennie> ouch
[02:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> and now my resolution is 300x420 or something
[02:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> the "K" button is bigger than my thu8mb lol
[02:50] <MrKennie> ew
[02:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> so how do i edit this file?
[02:50] <MrKennie> looks like the aticonfig thing worked then
[02:50] <Ertain> After I updated to the 2.6.24-19 kernel my internet services aren't starting up properly.  I don't know if this is because of the recent kernel or what.
[02:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> this is also the max resoltion for Radeon fglrx" lol
[02:51] <MrKennie> but now you need to tweak it
[02:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> it didn't work
[02:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> my max res is not 300x420
[02:51] <MrKennie> I seem to recall those errors are normal
[02:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> this is Radeon "fglrx" dfrive that kde had
[02:51] <MrKennie> you can check your config
[02:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> driver*
[02:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> not the driver i installed
[02:52] <MrKennie> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:52] <MrKennie> you got rid of the driver installed by ubuntu?
[02:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> i didn't get "rid" of anything
[02:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> ic hanged it to a drive that came with kubuntu
[02:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> driver
[02:52] <MrKennie> ok
[02:52] <newbie> hello word, who are from indonesia pleas!!!
[02:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> zorg.conf is...empty...
[02:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> xorg
[02:53] <MrKennie> er
[02:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> my xorg.conf is empty lol
[02:53] <MrKennie> wth
[02:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok now what i got it working
[02:54] <MrKennie> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh ( I think that's it)
[02:54] <MrKennie> that should restore things back to normal then you can go in and edit it again.
[02:55] <Sixofour|Sleep>         Driver          "fglrx"
[02:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats whats in my xorg
[02:55] <MrKennie> is that all?
[02:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> but this can't be right..my max res is 300x420 wtf?
[02:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> no tnats the thing i had to edit
[02:55] <MrKennie> I see
[02:55] <MrKennie> but you said it was empty? is this from a backup?
[02:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> no i typed rtc instead of etc
[02:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, this ati driver blows
[02:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> lets see if i even have 3d accel
[02:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> glxgears works
[02:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> but my max res is 600x480
[02:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> o.O
[02:58] <MrKennie> hm
[02:58] <MrKennie> are there any comments in xorg.conf?
[02:58] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: need to look in log for problem
[02:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> let me reboot real quick
[03:00] <MrKennie> glad I don't have an ati, but not so glad I have an nvidia either
[03:01] <flaccid> MrKennie: id say nvidia has the least problems
[03:01] <cilkay> Hello. I want to set up LTSP but I notice that Edubuntu and the Ubuntu Server both insist on Gnome. I installed packages on Kubuntu but there seems to be no wizards, nothing to help one configure this. While I can certainly manage a shell, I'm afraid the sysadmin at the school where this is supposed to be installed can't. Any suggestions?
[03:02] <MrKennie> flaccid: yea
[03:02] <flaccid> cilkay: which guide are you following
[03:02] <cilkay> Not sure which one to follow, which is why I'm asking.
[03:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> yeah
[03:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> both are using fglrx
[03:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> this is certainly horrible
[03:04] <flaccid> cilkay: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
[03:04] <cilkay> ltspadmin as mentioned at ltsp.org seems useful but I can't find it on (K)ubuntu
[03:04] <Finger> Anyone know of any drivers for my Logitech G5 mouse?
[03:04] <cilkay> Thanks. I'll read that.
[03:04] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: it will say in the log the problem with the resolution. feel free to pastebin it to look at if you want. this must be done in the low res session
[03:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> what log?
[03:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't tjhink its a problem, i think the drive only supports up to 600x480
[03:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> driver
[03:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> sucks ati can't do better than that
[03:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> flaccid what log?
[03:07] <flaccid> !enter | Sixofour|Sleep please start doing this
[03:07] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: /var/log/Xorg.0.log and no its not the driver
[03:08] <cilkay> Is it feasible to just install KDE on Edubuntu?
[03:09] <flaccid> cilkay: you install the meta package kubuntu-desktop to get it
[03:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> !pasttebin
[03:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> !pastebin
[03:10] <cilkay> Sure, I've done that on Ubuntu. I just wanted to know if it caused any breakage on Edubuntu.
[03:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41419/
[03:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> flaccid
[03:10] <cilkay> I noticed that KDE installed on Ubuntu doesn't look quite the same as Kubuntu.
[03:10] <cilkay> There's a bit more polish on Kubuntu.
[03:11] <flaccid> cilkay: shouldnt do so, but then again ask the guys in #edubuntu if any known issues
[03:11] <cilkay> ok, thanks
[03:11] <flaccid> it should be the same. not sure what you referring to there
[03:11] <Finger> ok... stupid noob question... how do I install a theme I downloaded?
[03:12] <flaccid> !changethemes | Finger
[03:13] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: there is a few issues in there, pastebin the xorg.conf please and lspci -v
[03:14] <flaccid> oops i mean lspci | grep VGA
[03:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> what is lspci -v?
[03:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> what is all that?
[03:14] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: see man lspci
[03:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> ??
[03:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41420/
[03:17] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: in konsole type lspci | grep VGA and paste the result in the pastebin
[03:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV515 [Radeon X1300]
[03:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats it
[03:20] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: you have how many video cards and how many displays?
[03:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> video card, video chop on mobo and one monitor... ?
[03:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> chip
[03:21] <MrKennie> I prefer chops :)
[03:21] <flaccid> so you are saying 1 card, 1 monitor?
[03:22] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: why does your xorg.conf have more than 1 display and explicitly set to 640x480 ?
[03:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> 1 card 1 monitor and a video chip on the mobo
[03:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't know flaccid
[03:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[03:23] <roy> is ubuntu studio worth downloading?
[03:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> everything was fine before i tried to install the ati proprietary drivers
[03:23] <MrKennie> personally I would sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:23] <MrKennie> then change the driver
[03:23] <MrKennie> and go from there
[03:23] <illmortal> guys?... what do I need to install in order for Konversation and Kopete to show misspelled words when they're typed?
[03:24] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: i guess you played around. do what MrKennie suggested and should be sweet
[03:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> uh
[03:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> why would i back up a broken xorg file?
[03:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> i coudl easly change the driver
[03:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> but i am trying to get a gamen in wine to work
[03:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> a game in
[03:26] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: if you reconfigure xserver-xorg you will get a working config back then you can go in change the driver and it might be worth adding the busid line too.
[03:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> huh?
[03:26] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: do this in konsole
[03:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> ive been using linux 2 days man
[03:26] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: seriously . stop pressing enter and responding on more than 1 line
[03:27] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:27] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: tell me when you have done that
[03:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> didn't work..lol?
[03:28] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: it should have. Now open /etc/X11/xorg.conf again
[03:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41422/
[03:28] <MrKennie> that's fine
[03:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok
[03:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there a way to make konsole "always on top" ?
[03:29] <Dragnslcr> illmortal- did you enable spellcheck?
[03:29] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: when you have xorg.conf open look for Section "Device"
[03:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> everything under 'Section "Device"' : 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[03:30] <illmortal> where would I enable that? In Kopete or Konversation?
[03:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> after that EndSection"
[03:30] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: the section might be empty, that's fine. Within Section and EndSection insert the lines: Driver "fglrx" Busid "PCI:2:0:0"
[03:31] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: if you already have a driver option there change that.
[03:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> delete identifyer stuff?
[03:31] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: Driver and Busid are on seperate lines btw.
[03:31] <MrKennie> no
[03:31] <MrKennie> add the lines after that
[03:31] <Dragnslcr> illmortal- in Konversation, right-click in the input area
[03:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> then what?
[03:31] <Dragnslcr> illmortal- for Kopete, what version are you using?
[03:32] <MrKennie> can you paste what you have now in pastebin please
[03:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> heh, linux + filtera [goa trance] = me hacker
[03:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok
[03:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> entier xorg.conf?
[03:32] <MrKennie> please
[03:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41424/
[03:33] <illmortal> 0.12
[03:33] <illmortal> Dragnslcr ^
[03:33] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: looks fine now
[03:33] <illmortal> 0.12.7
[03:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> restart and hope for no implosion?
[03:34] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: ok, looks good to me. logout and restart X
[03:34] <Dragnslcr> There was an "issue" in 0.12 that spellcheck only worked if you had rich text (or whatever it's called) disabled
[03:34] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: if X fails to restart check the log
[03:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> i better save huh
[03:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> too abd i CAN'T
[03:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> bad*
[03:35] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: if for some reason it fails you can comment those two lines you added and start X again
[03:35] <Dragnslcr> illmortal- I'm on KDE4 right now, so unfortunately I can't check everything you need for Kopete 0.12
[03:35] <illmortal> what's so good about rich text, Dragnslcr?
[03:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> if i figure out how..it won't let me save
[03:35] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: 1 line!
[03:35] <illmortal> alright screw it.. I'll Pidgin -.-
[03:35] <flaccid> you need to use kdesudo to save it
[03:35] <Dragnslcr> illmortal- lets you do different fonts and colors
[03:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i add a correction to the same line?
[03:35] <Dragnslcr> illmortal- personally I can't stand it, so I always turned it off anyway
[03:36] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: you should edit it with kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:36] <illmortal> how do I disable it?
[03:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> ...
[03:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> no one said anything about that
[03:36] <illmortal> trying to find the option.. :X
[03:36] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: I mentioned that earlier
[03:36] <Dragnslcr> illmortal- in a chat window, it's one of the toolbar buttons
[03:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> well now what?
[03:36] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: it doesn't matter, these are not huge changes
[03:36] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: run what flaccid said
[03:36] <Dragnslcr> illmortal- let me see if I can find a screenshot so I can point it out to you
[03:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i edit with kdesudo?
[03:36] <MrKennie> then add the two lines again
[03:37] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: please pay attention, i just showed you
[03:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok, so...
[03:37] <Dragnslcr> illmortal- pretty sure it's the pencil icon, just to the left of the spellcheck button
[03:37] <MrKennie> kdesudo will allow you to edit the file with superuser privilege
[03:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> now i need to find those two lines [i can only vew 3 at a time..lol]
[03:39] <illmortal> k checkin :p
[03:45] <illmortal> bah... I'm just gonna stop using kopete. pidgin is much better.
[03:48] <Finger> Can anyone help me install a theme? I've read docs about general theme installs and from the maker of the theme but I cannot get it to actually apply the theme (using kbfx)
[03:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> hey!, you broke my PC thx :D
[03:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> had to repair x server :S
[03:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> back to the itnel drivers
[03:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> intel
[03:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> kubuntu wouldn't load period
[03:53] <_2> intel driver for ati chip ???
[03:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> yep
[03:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm using intel video drives
[03:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> drivers*
[03:53] <MrKennie> buy an nvidia
[03:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> none of them are as good as my ati
[03:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> for PCI
[03:53] <Dr_willis> pci? Egads.
[03:54] <illmortal> pidgin ftw!
[03:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok so, now what do we do?
[03:54] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: 1. listen and respond on 1 line 2. i asked to see log if X doesn't start.
[03:54] <Finger> Can anyone help me install a theme? I've read docs about general theme installs and from the maker of the theme but I cannot get it to actually apply the theme (using kbfx)
[03:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i get a log if kubuntu doesn't start?
[03:54] <flaccid> and intel drivers don't work with ati so im not sure what you mean
[03:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> i got a big dos lookign screen with random colors and brokeness
[03:54] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: you press ctrl+alt+f2 and login and do it there
[03:54] <flaccid> Finger: please do not repeat
[03:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> in the middle of loading kubuntu it stopped and my screen was allb usted and colroful and blocky
[03:55]  * flaccid nods
[03:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> if i pressed enter, it changed to a red color
[03:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> backspace was a weird dot configureation
[03:56] <Dr_willis> In the middle of INSTALLING kubuntu? or after the install?
[03:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> laoding kubuntu
[03:56] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep when this is going on what's happening on the ati card ?
[03:56] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: when you say PCI do you mean PCI Express?
[03:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> no i mean PCI, i see not e on the end :D
[03:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> _2 don't know..i used grub to fix xserver
[03:56] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: instead of being verbose, why don't you go and give it a try. you can log in the tty and then copy the log or use pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:57] <_2> you use grub to fix xserver        NOT
[03:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> i did, i used grub and it told me to go into restore mode
[03:57] <Dr_willis> unless hes refering to that 'xfix' feature on the 'recovery' entry...
[03:57] <Dr_willis> but thats not really 'using grub' to fix it.. You used grub to get into the recovery session.
[03:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> with a dos lookign windows, i hit down arrow to "fix x server"
[03:58] <MrKennie> ah
[03:58] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: anyway. what are you going to do now?
[03:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm in normal kubuntu with intel -386 drivers
[03:58] <Dr_willis> I never have seen this 'fix x server' option in my grub menus. an di just did a clean install of ubuntu 8.04.1 on a machine
[03:58] <MrKennie> I've never used the recovery feature, maybe that's good? :)
[03:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> i810 i mean*
[03:58] <Dr_willis> ive never really needed to use it either. :)
[03:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> Driver "i810"
[03:59] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: ok so done. no need to flood the channel anymore :)
[03:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> but i'm not using the ati driver
[03:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> which i need for certain games to run
[03:59] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: then stop complaining and do what we suggest..
[03:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> i did, it broke kubuntu
[04:00] <_2> i have a theory,  six installs the ati driver, with the monitor hooked to the intel output he boots and when the xserver started (obvously it had to switch to the ati card) the screen went wacco so he assumed that xorg was borked.
[04:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> my monitor has been hooked to ym card for 4 years now
[04:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> never been unhooked
[04:00] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: OK
[04:00] <flaccid> im not sure how talking is going to fix the problem
[04:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> ???
[04:01] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: the only way we can really find out what the problem is, is to change back to fglrx, and restart X, you do not need to reboot.
[04:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't even know what "the tty" is
[04:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> x won't restart
[04:01] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: ctrl+alt+f1, ctrl+alt+f2 , they are ttys
[04:01] <MrKennie> ctrl+alt+F1/2/3/4/5/6......
[04:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> when i logout it crashes and i have to reboot
[04:02] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: if you can logout then X does start, so what do you mean
[04:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> whole system rfeezes ojn a black screen
[04:02] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: that is a bug
[04:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> also when i go to tty i cannot type or anything "[ctrl+alt+f12]
[04:03] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: there is no tty on ctrl+alt+f12
[04:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> then what is ctrl+alt+f12?
[04:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> my screen goes black and i see white text
[04:03] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: nothing iirc
[04:03] <MrKennie> F1 through to F6 should get you a tty
[04:04] <MrKennie> that you can login to
[04:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do you copy/paste in tty?
[04:04] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: you can't
[04:04] <Dr_willis> I use the gpm program to enable mouse support for the consoles.
[04:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> so how do i copy then paste the contents of the log?
[04:05] <Dr_willis> it lets you select/paste
[04:05] <Dr_willis> Sixofour|Sleep,  the pastebinit command is handy
[04:05] <Dr_willis> Somecommand | pastebinit   --> prints out pastebin url for the text/paste
[04:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> also, if i get the log now, it will show you the working stuff yeah o.O?
[04:06] <_2> six you posted "<Sixofour|Sleep> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV515 [Radeon X1300]"   and also posted "<Sixofour|Sleep> everything was fine before i tried to install the ati proprietary drivers" + "<Sixofour|Sleep> back to the itnel drivers <Sixofour|Sleep> intel"  <<< thus if xorg is using intel driver and works... then you install ati driver and kablam!    you would have to switch the monitor to the other
[04:06] <Dr_willis> cat LOGFILE | pastebinit      should show the url to the pasteded info
[04:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> _2 not unless the intel driver was working on my ATi card..like it is now.
[04:07] <_2> intel driver works on ati card and ati driver doesnt ?
[04:07]  * _2 doubts the validity of that.
[04:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> ive not touched my monitor, on widnwos xp two days ago i used the ati card and it was fine, i installed kubuntu and kubuntu sues intel video
[04:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> never touched the monitor cable
[04:08]  * flaccid sits back and waits for log (which is what he always does)
[04:08] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: you have to understand that ATI driver support for Linux isn't all that.
[04:08] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: it's unfortunate really
[04:08] <Finger> can anyone tell me how to get dekorator?
[04:09] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: which is why I've stuck with nvidia where 3d is required.
[04:09] <Finger> ok tell me where i get a list fo rthe apt-get?
[04:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> last time i used kubuntu, i had nvidia, and there was no way to use a nvidia card on linux, but everyone with ati had it smooth sailing, so i got an ati card, and now ati on linux = crap?
[04:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> this was when i used ubuntu 5.10
[04:10] <Fieldy> atis closed drivers are extremely problematic from my experience. i specifically avoid systems (especially laptops) with ati because of this
[04:10] <flaccid> they all have issues
[04:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> which funny enough, the LiveCd failed to load because my graphics were messed up [tried to use lvie cd before i did xfix]
[04:10] <Dr_willis> No way to use nvidia card on linux? Hmm.. nvidia has had better linux support for ages...
[04:10] <Fieldy> though right now i have an nvidia card (9600GT) which isn't supported by the current binary drivers in kubuntu; not in the mood to muck with it though, the open ones are doing the trick (no gl)
[04:10] <Dr_willis> ati has been behind nvidia for years.
[04:11]  * Fieldy steps out of the ati / nvidia thing
[04:11] <Dr_willis> Fieldy,  weird.. I think my 9600 worked.. or was it a 9800 - i got so many nvidia cards.. and they all work.
[04:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> if i want an nvidia card as good as my ati then i need to get a new mother board :(
[04:11] <Dr_willis> Theres a lot of 'variation' in nvidia cards it seems.
[04:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> no AGP slots
[04:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> or PCIe
[04:11] <MrKennie> I was always hoping that the AMD takeover would resolve the *nix driver support thing but it seems to me that it has got no better.
[04:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> well what is the best open drive for Ati Radeon x1300?
[04:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> driver
[04:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have 5 ati drivers
[04:12] <MrKennie> default setup should have it setup
[04:13] <MrKennie> er, working
[04:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, apparentoly i have 3 video cards also
[04:13] <MrKennie> you can verify by running glxinfo
[04:13] <Dr_willis> MrKennie,  yep. Still waiting for the 'improved ati linux support' to happen.
[04:13] <MrKennie> Dr_willis: hah, as if
[04:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> my monitor is plugged into ym ati card, but i have an ati card, an intel card and a evsa card...apaprently :(
[04:14] <MrKennie> Dr_willis: I think they are still drooling over vista (for some bizzare reason)
[04:14] <_2> vesa vidio card   heh.
[04:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> kubuntu doesn't know what i have i think its just guessing
[04:14] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: vesa is like a standard, most cards support some sort of vesa
[04:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i know what card iots using?
[04:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> its*
[04:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm looking in system settings > monitor and display > hardware
[04:16] <flaccid> its in the log
[04:16] <flaccid> its all in the log!
[04:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> do you still want that log?
[04:16] <Dr_willis> I would disable every card you can in the bios.. if you can... eliminate as many potential issues as you can.
[04:17] <flaccid> only if its using the fglrx driver with the config MrKennie helped you with
[04:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> that config will not run
[04:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> first it will crash my system on logout
[04:18] <flaccid> you see that doesn't make sense. you cannot log out if it will not run. thats a contradiction...
[04:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> sure you can..hit lockout, screen goes blakc..crash
[04:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> logout8
[04:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> logout = system total failure lockup boom
[04:19] <Dr_willis> I recall a bug with ati drivers - where after logging out of X. the X server would not come 'back' - I had to enable the 'always restart X server' feature of KDM -
[04:19] <Dr_willis> the system was not locked up.. X was just crashed badly and gave a black screen
[04:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> then that is likely what happened
[04:19] <Dr_willis> This was a few kubuntu releases ago.. like a year or more..
[04:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> do you recall how to setup such an option?
[04:19] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: err like i said that is a bug. i have to put up with it as well.
[04:19] <Dr_willis> the option was in the kdm config file - i had to manually edit.
[04:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't even rememebr what edits you gave me to the xorg.conf
[04:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'll try them again
[04:20] <flaccid> very long bug report(s) on launchpad and they still havnt fixed it properly and the restricted drivers have the most problems with it. its ativentsd etc...
[04:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats if tyy loads even thouhg linux doesn't run
[04:20]  * flaccid feels like hes wasting his time here
[04:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> does tty work in grub?
[04:21] <flaccid> no
[04:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> flaccid, if i understand this, you want me to enable a configuration that stops linux from laoding, then use tyy to pastebin the log correct?
[04:21] <flaccid> tty works once linux has bootstrapped and the runlevels init
[04:22] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: have you added ati-agp to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
[04:22] <flaccid> Sixofour|Sleep: linux should still load. you said it crashes on logout!
[04:22] <flaccid> then again i don't see the point if the problem is simply the bug we all know about
[04:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> it crashed on logout, then crashed on the "kubuntu" loading screen [with the bluie bar]
[04:22] <flaccid> you cannot get to logout if you cannot load. doesn't make sense. anyway too many contradictions here, too frustrating for me to help anymore sorry
[04:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> with that xorg.conf if i try to run my computer, it will not let me do anything unless i hit enter when grub comes up, anything after that i have noc ontrol over
[04:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[04:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> the logout button
[04:23] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: also have you added fglrx to /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common?
[04:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> you have never seen the red logout button?
[04:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> no MrKennie
[04:23] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: if not you may have conflicting modules
[04:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> flaccid you are thinking of the logIN screen
[04:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i check that?
[04:24] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: add fglrx to /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[04:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> is that a txt file a program what?
[04:25] <MrKennie> txt file
[04:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> DISABLED_MODULES="fglrx" ?
[04:26] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: aye
[04:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok, closed, saved
[04:27] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: now reinstall the ati package
[04:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> um, that atiblahblahblah.run ?
[04:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> the one i got from Ati website
[04:28] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: yup
[04:28] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: if you don't disable the module ubuntu will update it everytime you reboot.
[04:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> lets see if i remember how :d
[04:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> what was the command to install it again?
[04:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> you posted it to me i just pasted it
[04:30] <MrKennie> the command?
[04:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> for running the .run file
[04:30] <MrKennie> just type ./fubar.run (replace fubar with the actual filename
[04:30] <MrKennie> )
[04:31] <Dr_willis> if its executable that is.
[04:31] <_2> else   bash filename.run
[04:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> hrm
[04:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> please run aticonfig from konsole or
[04:33] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: so it has installed?
[04:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> AMD CCC:LE from the Desktop Manager Windows, and yes it has
[04:33] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: do not run that.
[04:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok
[04:33] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: ok, now kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:33] <MrKennie> and change the driver
[04:34] <MrKennie> save and reboot.
[04:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> change to ?
[04:34] <MrKennie> fglrx
[04:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> what you gave me before?
[04:34] <fujisan> bluetooth headset on kubuntu please
[04:34] <fujisan> how too.........................
[04:34] <fujisan> help me please
[04:34] <Dr_willis> !bluetooth
[04:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> Section "Device"
[04:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[04:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> 	Driver		"fglrx"
[04:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> all good?
[04:35] <Dr_willis> Thats all i know n the topic.  of bluetooth fujisan
[04:35] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: yup, reboot.
[04:35] <fujisan> but i tried all Dr_willis :(
[04:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok, here goes something!
[04:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> reboot PC or x?
[04:35] <fujisan> even that i can hear the device pait but it wont work
[04:36] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: pc
[04:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'll reboot pc then
[04:40] <seventytohundred> why dont the lazy kubuntu devs ever change the design of kubuntu?
[04:40] <MrKennie> then do something yourself :)
[04:40] <seventytohundred> did switched back to windows xp
[04:40] <MrKennie> great
[04:41] <psycholic> how would i go about making it the default program like say when i run a video i want mplayer to load
[04:41] <_2> seventytohundred i'm so happy for us
[04:41] <seventytohundred> linux isnt readt for the desktop
[04:41] <flaccid> seventytohundred: its changed, just not very often
[04:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm alive
[04:41] <flaccid> !ot | seventytohundred
[04:41] <_2> seventytohundred finish your troll and leave.
[04:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> now how do i know i am actually using the ati display and not the intel or gvesa?
[04:41] <seventytohundred> !oy | flaccid
[04:41] <Daisuke_Ido> !rude | seventytohundred
[04:41] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: woohoo!
[04:42] <fujisan> !blue tooth
[04:42] <fujisan> !bluetooth
[04:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> yeah man no blackholes formed over my cpu! whoo
[04:42] <seventytohundred> !troll
[04:42] <seventytohundred> !kubuntu
[04:42] <fujisan> troll?
[04:42] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: open konsole and type glxinfo
[04:42] <fujisan> i am not a trool i had to boot into windows
[04:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> already did that on a hunch !
[04:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> let me guess pastebin?!
[04:42] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: sure :)
[04:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> !pastebin
[04:43] <seventytohundred> !kde
[04:43] <seventytohundred> !kde4
[04:43] <seventytohundred> !kde4.1
[04:43] <seventytohundred> !gnome
[04:43] <seventytohundred> !linux
[04:43] <seventytohundred> !kernel
[04:43] <MrKennie> please
[04:43] <seventytohundred> !windowsxp
[04:43] <seventytohundred> !windows
[04:43] <seventytohundred> !gutsy
[04:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41437/
[04:43] <seventytohundred> !intrepid
[04:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> !pm
[04:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> er
[04:44] <_2> seventytohundred that's enough
[04:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> PM the bot please
[04:44] <seventytohundred> !ot | _2
[04:44] <seventytohundred> !vista
[04:44] <seventytohundred> !cpu
[04:44] <psycholic>  how would i go about making a program the default program like say when i run a video i want mplayer to load
[04:44] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:44] <seventytohundred> !kernel
[04:44] <_2> !ops | please help seventytohundred to the door
[04:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> imagine giveing the bot a respond to command then telling the bot to tell himself something
[04:44] <seventytohundred> !ops | _2
[04:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> sure let me find it
[04:45] <psycholic> sweet
[04:45] <MrKennie> thanks :)
[04:45] <_2> thank you Hobbsee
[04:45] <psycholic>  how would i go about making a program the default program like say when i run a video i want mplayer to load
[04:45] <Hobbsee> !msgthebot > seventytohundred
[04:45] <flaccid> Hobbsee: can you check my op status, it seems to have been removed
[04:45] <flaccid> i could of prevented most of that
[04:45] <Dr_willis> psycholic,  you can set the default filetypes/programs from one of the right click menu items I thought.
[04:46] <psycholic> well i have tried that and it don't seem to work
[04:46] <Dr_willis> psycholic,  well thats how its done.  theres the konqueror settings also - that you can manually mess with.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[04:47] <psycholic> i know there is a way to set it kind of like setting a "default" video card or sound card
[04:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41438/  <--beware its over 9000 words
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Im not on KDE at the moment so i cant give the exact places to go.. psycholic
[04:47] <psycholic> thats cool
[04:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> MrKennie:
[04:47] <psycholic> no biggy
[04:48] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: it's not using the fglrx driver, can you paste your xorg.conf too please
[04:48] <_2> psycholic not hunting for "prefered applications" are you ?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> _2: you're welcome
[04:48] <psycholic> might be what its all about
[04:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> heh, it doesn't have the lines i added
[04:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> let me guess, kate doesn't autosave when i logout?
[04:49] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: well no, you need to save it first.
[04:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> Driver "glfrx"?
[04:49] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep worse than that.  /etc/X11/xorg.conf is no longer static i think.
[04:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> no longer static?
[04:50] <psycholic> guess i will google it
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a stub now
[04:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[04:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> 	Driver		"fglrx"
[04:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> ?
[04:51] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: yup
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> then you're using fglrx
[04:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> lets try this again, this time i save the file
[04:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> brb
[04:52] <psycholic> just googled it na that not it thanks thou _2
[04:53] <MrKennie> you know, I can't seem to find the compiz stuff in system settings..
[04:53] <_2> psycholic k  sorry i didn't catch your origenal Q and ventured a guess from what i did see
[04:54] <psycholic> this was it how would i go about making a program the default program like say when i run a video i want mplayer to load
[04:54] <psycholic> i have tried with right clicking and make it the default but it don't work
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> psycholic: right-click, properties?
[04:55] <psycholic> yes sir
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> hrrm
[04:56] <psycholic> now i thought there was a way in term to do it to
[04:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> nope
[04:57] <_2> psycholic perhapse it's an "alternative"   ls -l /usr/bin/x-*   see if there is a symlink being called
[04:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> screen went clusterfuck instead of loading linux
[04:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> had to run xfix from grub again
[04:57] <mr---t-> 1language
[04:57] <Dr_willis> It may be worth while to backup any working xorg.conf files you manage to create.
[04:58] <Dr_willis> That will save time in the futuer
[04:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> easy, any file without drive "fglrx"
[04:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> driver8
[04:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> clearly fglrx doesn't work properly
[04:59] <MrKennie> well I do nt know what else to suggest
[04:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> well this sucks
[04:59] <MrKennie> complain to ATI
[04:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> what is the best open driver?
[04:59] <MrKennie> radeon
[04:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> and i still don't know which peice of ahrdware linux is using
[04:59] <Daisuke_Ido> Sixofour|Sleep: intel's
[04:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> how?
[05:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> video is plugged into ati card
 now i thought there was a way in term to do it to<<<   like you can change the default term by adjusting /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator    i am using dapper so i don't know what alternatives you might have setup.
[05:00] <Daisuke_Ido> Sixofour|Sleep: is the monitor cable connected to  the card?
[05:00] <Daisuke_Ido> then it's using that card
[05:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> yes
[05:00] <psycholic> nope there is only 4 and none say anything about it.. oh well i need to get to bed try tommarow
[05:00] <Daisuke_Ido> what card is it, anyway?
[05:00] <_2> psycholic also you may be able to edit a config in ~/.kde/share/configs/     idk.
[05:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> so that would be ATi Radeon fbdev?
[05:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> Ati Radeon X1300
[05:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> systems settings says i have 3 cards heh
[05:01] <_2> psycholic i remember that being adjustable within the konqueror configuration in it's menus.
[05:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> my monitor is phsyically connected to the ati card
[05:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> glxgears works so does that mean i have 3d accel?
[05:02] <psycholic> hmm i just thought of some thing when you said konqueror i'm using dolphin
[05:02] <psycholic> in kde 3 thou
[05:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm contemplating why i need to fix my card in the first palce, if i have 3d accel, that should be enough for most games
[05:03] <psycholic> like i said i'm going to bed thanks
[05:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> TeamfortressClassic works
[05:03] <_2> oh.    ok you just dropped off my radar
[05:03] <fujisan> which channel should i select for the master channel in kmix for bluetooth headsets?
[05:03] <_2> psycholic gooday
[05:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> Fortress Forever crashes on world render o.O
[05:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan there is only one master
[05:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> that is why its called master
[05:04] <fujisan> you but clearly i need to select the bluetooth source in the master channel in kmix
[05:04] <fujisan> yeah*
[05:04] <fujisan> i mean its not working now
[05:04] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: if you want to play games in linux then you're best option is to get an nvidia. Just check to make sure it is supported first and your set. Otherwise you're stuck with doze for games.
[05:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have an nvidia
[05:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> but its 128mb
[05:05] <fujisan> so that makes sense but i can identify which one is the bluetooth and if its even in the list
[05:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> ati is 256MB :D
[05:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> the nvidia card is lol..comapred to the ati card
[05:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> i think its Nvidia geforce FX5200
[05:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> 128MB
[05:05] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: well, atm in linux your ati card is lol compared to your nvidia card.
[05:06] <Dr_willis> and with wine - and ATI = not often a good combo either
[05:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> so what do you suggest Nvidia Gefoce FX5200 or ATi Radeon X1300?
[05:06] <Dr_willis> I would toss the ati.
[05:06] <MrKennie> sell ati and buy a newer nvidia
[05:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> 128mb and 258mb respectivly
[05:06] <Dr_willis> it dosent matter how much ram it has - if it dosent work
[05:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> whats the best Nvidia for PCI?
[05:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Time to hit google I guess.
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Im not sure what pci card are even out these days
[05:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> but my nvidia card doesn't even have i think its like..pixelshaders ior something
[05:07] <Daisuke_Ido> heh
[05:07] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: google for a good nvidia card for linux
[05:07] <Dr_willis> You are trying to 'game' on a machine thats basically obsolete. :) tood luck
[05:07] <Dr_willis> good luck
[05:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> won't be playing games with that
[05:07] <Daisuke_Ido> you're not going to get excellent performance from a pci card
[05:07] <Daisuke_Ido> ever.
[05:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> sure i do, on windows..lol
[05:08] <_2> toad luck !
[05:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't want "best preformance" i need "it runs"
[05:08] <Dr_willis> If i was to buy a 'new'  nvidia card. for a low end box. i would check out the fanless cards they got.
[05:08] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: slap the nvidia card in you have
[05:08] <Daisuke_Ido> Sixofour|Sleep: the nvidia will give you less driver headaches, for sure.
[05:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> but will it run anything?
[05:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats the question :D
[05:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> let me find it
[05:08] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: best thing to do is try
[05:09] <Dr_willis> We dont have ESP.
[05:09] <Dr_willis> Or pre-kog-nittion :)
[05:11] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: I'm still convinced you have PCI Express
[05:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[05:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> wanna bet?
[05:11] <fujisan> it connects for a second and then disconnects my bluetooth any help on this
[05:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> look up Dell Demnsion B110
[05:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> tell me if it has PCIe
[05:11] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: I don't think anyone made an ati x1300 for PCI
[05:12] <fujisan> its paired
[05:12] <Dr_willis> MrKennie,  i agree also.
[05:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm slappping the nvidia card ink, wish me luck, brbh
[05:12] <Dr_willis> x1300 came out less then 2 yrs ago? i havent seen a pci video card in like 5+ years
[05:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> brb
[05:12] <_2> maybe he has an agp slot
[05:12] <MrKennie> he's right
[05:13] <MrKennie> it has no agp or pcie
[05:13] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: that ati card must have been expensive if it really is PCI
[05:13] <Dr_willis> and 3x as slow as it could have the potential to be.
[05:13] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:14] <_2> addi what ?
[05:15] <MrKennie> anyway, probably gone a bit off topic here. soz.
[05:16] <fujisan> so can anyone help me?
[05:16] <fujisan> is this it?
[05:17] <_2> fujisan i don't use bluetooth sorry.
[05:18] <fujisan> _2 i now know why... I mean you can't call me a newb anymore since no one in here knows anything about bluetooth
[05:18] <fujisan> thanks for responding though _2 most dont even have the decency to do that
[05:19] <_2> fujisan i seldom get my questions answered in here either.   good luck with it.
[05:19] <fujisan> lol
[05:19] <fujisan> thanks
[05:19] <Dr_willis> depends on the question
[05:19] <fujisan> yeah yeah
[05:19] <Dr_willis> bluetooth is very much a 'grey' area
[05:20] <MrKennie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothAudio
[05:20] <Dr_willis> I use bluetooth to get ringtones to the wifes phone. and thats it
[05:22] <gecko_> I got the "BOSE Companion 5" Sound system for my computer and i just got a friend to throw Linux on my comp, now my sound doesnt seem to work, can some one help me??  (speak easily, very new to linux)
[05:23] <_2> !sound
[05:24] <MrKennie> gecko_: USB right?
[05:24] <gecko_> yes
[05:24] <gecko_> and yes it's checked On
[05:25] <Finger> I need to rename a file but it says I'm not allowed, is there some admin thing I need to sign into before it will let me?
[05:25] <_2> !sudo | Finger
[05:25] <_2> !kdesudo | Finger
[05:26] <MrKennie> gecko_: unplug it and plug it back in and type dmesg in konsole
[05:26] <Finger> ya great how about telling me how to actually log into it
[05:26] <fujisan> MrKennie:  you are a newb :)
[05:26] <fujisan> you dont know enough about bluetooth
[05:27] <MrKennie> fujisan: I don't even have any bluetooth devices to need to know
[05:27] <fujisan> doesnt matter
[05:28] <_2> Finger ?
[05:28] <Sixofour|Sleep_> that was weird
[05:29] <drhe|skt> how can i switch back to gnome from kde???
[05:29] <_2> Finger you can't find a konsole or what ?
[05:29] <gecko_> MrKennie: by konsole you mean the "terminal" thing?
[05:29] <MrKennie> gecko_: yup
[05:29] <gecko_> kk
[05:29] <_2> drhe|skt define switch
[05:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> i took ati out and put in nvidia, no computer start, switched monitor to onboard, no computer start, put nvidia in with ati no computer start, switched ati and nvidia slots, compuiter starts
[05:29] <Finger> I know where the console is but  I am trying to rename a file then copy in a new file
[05:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> monitor is in ati now in middle pci slot
[05:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> o.O
[05:29] <drhe|skt> i am booting to KDE. and i want the option to go back to gnome.
[05:30] <MrKennie> gecko_: copy and paste the result of dmesg to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[05:30] <_2> Finger so prepend sudo to your mv command
[05:30] <_2> drhe|skt you have the option  at the login screen
[05:30] <drhe|skt> oh.
[05:30] <drhe|skt> how do i know which one i am using?
[05:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> kubuntu sees the nvidia card, but i get no display from it o.O
[05:30] <_2> drhe|skt at login  click the  settings choose session
[05:31] <MrKennie> Finger: in dolphin you can "open as root" in the right hand panel too
[05:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> though i didn't try knvidia in slot 3 display while ati was in slot 2 hrm
[05:31] <drhe|skt> _2, ok. is there a method to check what i am using right now?
[05:31] <drhe|skt> a command i can type to check.
[05:31] <_2> drhe|skt yeah.    pidof kwin
[05:31] <Dr_willis> Having 2 video cards insgtalled at the same time.. can make troubleshooting a lot harder.
[05:31] <MrKennie> Finger: or right click and go to actions -> open as root.
[05:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> what do you think MrKennie ?
[05:31] <_2> drhe|skt if that gives a number it's kde if not it's not
[05:32] <drhe|skt> didnt return anything
[05:32] <drhe|skt> so i guess im using kde
[05:32] <drhe|skt> brb. going to end session
[05:32] <saotome> I have a webcam. Anybody know a good app for recording video from it and storing it to a file (preferably in a compressed state)?
[05:32] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: you installed the nvidia card in ati's place?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> saotome,  try 'cheese'
[05:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> yes, and moved the ati card down one slot
[05:32] <_2> drhe|skt well   you might also test for kicker     pidof kicker
[05:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> its weird
[05:33] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: remove it
[05:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> remove nvidia?
[05:33] <gecko_> MrKennie: done.. how do you whisper? :P
[05:33] <saotome> Dr_willis uumm... looks promising from the package description. I'll give it a try. Thanks a million!
[05:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> i tried nvidia in other slots to no avail
[05:33] <Dr_willis> saotome,  me and the grandson had a blast with it the other day.
[05:33] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: well, actually, you can remove the driver line in xorg.conf but I think it's alot easier to remove the ati card.
[05:34] <_2> Finger did you get it ?
[05:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> if i remvoe the ati card, i get no display from nvidia or intel chip
[05:34] <MrKennie> gecko_: can you paste the pastebin url here so we can see?
[05:34] <gecko_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41445/
[05:34]  * Dr_willis points out that its a VERY good idea to poweroff/UNPLUG the machine from the wall.. befor removing/adding cards
[05:34] <gecko_> that ?
[05:34] <MrKennie> lol
[05:34] <MrKennie> gecko_: yes, thanks
[05:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> i get no display if nvidia is loaded before the ati card [like if i put nvidia in the slot before the ati card instead iof after]
[05:35] <Finger> someone suggested sudo nautilus but it returns a command not found
[05:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> slot one is my ethernet, 2 is ati and 3 is nvidia
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Finger,  thats the gnome file manager
[05:35] <_2> Finger that would be a "bad" idea for a gnome user.
[05:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats the only way i will get a display while also having nvidia in my machine
[05:35] <_2> Finger kdesudo konqueror    would be one way for a kde user
[05:35] <Dr_willis> i tend to use 'mc' as my root user file manager. :)  that way i can tell at that its the root file maanger
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Ive seen to many 'oops'  in here from people using the what they thought was the  normal file manager when it was actually being ran as root
[05:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> do you understand what i mean MrKennie ?
[05:36] <_2> Finger i would still sujest     sudo mv file newname
[05:36] <Dr_willis> If you do such root file manager stuff - You may want to set the root users themes to use some BRIGHT RED colors. :)
[05:36] <_2> replacing file and newname accordingly
[05:37] <MrKennie> gecko_: cat /proc/asound/cards in konsole, do you get any results?
[05:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> Dr_willis: can you set up kubuntu so that any app or konsole in root is bright red?
[05:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> in sudo i mean
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Sixofour|Sleep,  you have to run the theme tools as root and set the theme for the root user. like i said.
[05:37] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: remember you xorg.conf probably still has the fglrx entry in it
[05:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> spiffy
[05:38] <_2> !kdesu | Sixofour|Sleep
[05:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> but how does that effect wether i get a display from the card?
[05:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't even see "grub" or "dell" load
[05:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> turn power on, screen stays black
[05:38] <Finger> the ksudo command worked fine
[05:38] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: eh, maybe your nvidia is dead?
[05:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> kubuntu sees it fine
[05:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> even gave it a nice driver
[05:39] <_2> !kdesu > Finger
[05:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> "nv"
[05:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> if it was dead kubuntu wouldn't see it yeah?
[05:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> i think ym system expects ati and if it doesn't get that it boots w3ith no display at all
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Sixofour|Sleep,  perhaps.. perhaps not...
[05:39] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: so lets see, completely removing the ati card and plugging your monitor into the nvidia card you get nothing?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> ive had video cards that die and loose some of the video out/colors.
[05:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> yes, nothing, pluging monitor with only nvidia = nothing, pluging monitor in nvidia before ati = nothing, pluging monitor in ati ebfore nvidia = works
[05:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have 3 pci slots loaded in order, 1 2 and 3
[05:41] <MrKennie> is the nvidia in the same slot as the ati when it was in?
[05:41] <gecko_> MrKennie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41447/      thats what i got from it.. that help any?  i feel so useless.
[05:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> yep, and the ati is in slot two now [it was slot 3]
[05:41] <MrKennie> gecko_: that's great, looks like it's loaded and recognised.
[05:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there a tool i can use to diagnose my nvidia card to see if its functioning properly?
[05:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> if its working properly, then i fear its a load order issue
[05:42] <MrKennie> gecko_: ok, what are you using to test the audio?
[05:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> and what the bios expects to see vs what it gets
[05:42] <gecko_> MrKennie: Amarok
[05:42] <MrKennie> gecko_: ok, give me one sec
[05:43] <gecko_> MrKennie: sure thing boss :)
[05:43] <fitoria> hi
[05:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> yep, nvidia is my "secondary" card
[05:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> make it pirmary and make ati secodnary and reboot?
[05:44] <fitoria> I have Kubuntu 8.04 for 64 bits and I wanted to play frets on fire but the audio of the guitar doesnt sounds any idea?
[05:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> i made nvidia primary and ati secodnary..rebooting now
[05:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> brb
[05:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> FFFOWNED!
[05:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> it worked :d
[05:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> I'm on NVidia
[05:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[05:48] <MrKennie> gecko_: ok, sorry about that. do you still have konsole open?
[05:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> So, what drivers do i need for an Nvidia Geforce FX5200?
[05:49] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[05:49] <Dr_willis> i would run that hardware manager tool and let it install them.
[05:49] <Dr_willis> I would guess most likely the nvidia-glx-legacy drivers
[05:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> you know that lnik is two years old iirc
[05:50] <gecko_> yup
[05:50] <Dr_willis> it still has good info..  My ubuntu system asks to install the proper nvidia drivers when i first booted it up. Use the hardware manager tool is the best way
[05:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> it did for me, i clicked enable
[05:51] <MrKennie> gecko_: type sudo asoundconf list
[05:51] <Dr_willis> or take a chance and install 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy'
[05:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> i;'m letting it do it, i didn't eklt it download before
[05:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> time to reboot, also i should screw these cards in huh?
[05:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> brb
[05:52] <gecko_> MrKennie: ok?  IXP and Audio
[05:53] <MrKennie> gecko_: ok type sudo asoundconf set-default-card Audio
[05:54] <mixed1234> anyone know of a decent sound card they can recommend?  I am going to connect the sound card to my stereo
[05:54] <gecko_> MrKennie: ok, done.. now what?
[05:54] <MrKennie> gecko_: if amarok is already running quit it and start it up again and try it
[05:54] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  most creative cards work.. avoide the x-fi card however. its to new and drivers are not good yet.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  theres some decent $30 range creative cards
[05:55] <_2> intel-hda stinketh
[05:55] <gecko_> MrKennie: ok, will do.. just a sec
[05:55] <mixed1234> Dr Willis, I plan on spending around $100, thanks for the input, Im going to look at creative's site and be back in a sec
[05:56] <Dr_willis> $100 is will get a GOOD sound card. :)
[05:56] <Dr_willis> I like my older audigy2zs card. Not sure what new cretive cards has out now
[05:56] <gecko_> MrKennie: gah, nothing..
[05:57] <MrKennie> gecko_: ok, I was worried about a couple of error messages I saw in the dmesg output. Let me investigate that I minute
[05:57] <_2> i have a ess sound card that i like the best.    but it's old.     isa
[05:57] <Dr_willis> that is old.. :)
[05:57] <gecko_> MrKennie: for sure.. errors? odd, ok
[05:58] <Dr_willis> I splurged years ago on the high end cretive cards.. and they have outlasted like 5 machines
[05:58] <mixed1234> Dr. Willis, you remember how much you paid for yours?  Im looking up the prices and the AudityZS costs $162, yikes!
[05:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> yay!
[05:58] <MrKennie> gecko_: yea, apparently because they are not complying with the USB specification.
[05:58] <MrKennie> gecko_: in konsole type alsamixer
[05:59] <gecko_> MrKennie: why would that happen? if that's able to be explained to me? lol
[05:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> MrKennie: crono@Nekron:~$ glxgears
[05:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[05:59] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  i got a 'gamers' edition for like $100 i recall. this was a few years back
[05:59] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: glxinfo
[05:59] <gecko_> MrKennie: whoa, cool.. ok, what do i do here? :)
[05:59] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  check tigerdirect.com or pricewatch.com
[05:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> !pastebin
[06:00] <MrKennie> gecko_: ok, it should have some information about the sound device at the top?
[06:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41452/
[06:00] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?MfrId=229&CatId=107
[06:00] <mixed1234> Dr Wlillis, I usually go to newegg.com but I will try tigerdirect.com
[06:00] <MrKennie> gecko_: should mention usb audio or such
[06:00] <gecko_> MrKennie: yes.. but nothing major (my opinion though haha)
[06:01] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  i would do some googling  befor buying - to be sure what chipset any card is using..
[06:01] <Dr_willis> I would avoide the x-fi's at this time
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy SE   - $30     :)
[06:01] <mixed1234> Dr Willis, im also going to go to newsgroups and see what they recommmend, i wouldnt want to buy the card, only to find out it doesn't work on my distro, i dont use redmond on my machine
[06:01] <MrKennie> gecko_: the mixer controls, are they mostly up and do any of them have MM at the bottom?
[06:02] <MrKennie> gecko_: you can press the key, M to mute and unmute channels and the arrow keys will raise and lower the levels
[06:02] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  if you eliminaate all the x-fi cards.. that just leaves like 2 cards.... out of the 12
[06:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> MrKennie:  you got my link?
[06:03] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  now x-fi MIGHT be working better under linunx now.. but I dont know. that for a fact.
[06:03] <MrKennie> gecko_:  btw, when you quit amarok did you use File -> quit or hte x in the corner?
[06:03] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: yup, one sec
[06:03] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: installed nvidia-glx?
[06:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> i used the hardware dekstop manager thingy
[06:04] <gecko_> MrKennie: X in corner, but noticed it in botton right of screen, so i exited there too..      How do i switch from diff things in the Audio controls??
[06:04] <mixed1234> Dr Willis, which are the 2 cards youre talkin 'bout, i am definetely not going ot try the x-fi cards
[06:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> Hardware Drive
[06:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> Driver*
[06:04] <MrKennie> gecko_: arrow keys
[06:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> the thing you told me to use
[06:04] <MrKennie> gecko_: if you use the x it won't quit, it will still be running
[06:05] <MrKennie> gecko_: sorry, to quit amarok it's Engage -> Quit not File -> Quit.
[06:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> MrKennie:  its installed
[06:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> MrKennie: i just installed it
[06:06] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: er, restart X I guess
[06:06] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  the low end $30 cards. newegg even lists the 'chipset' i notice.. theres several that say   Audio Chipset: Audigy
[06:06] <Dr_willis> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102003
[06:06] <Dr_willis> is one.
[06:07] <mixed1234> Dr Willis, thanks for the input, im going to take some notes and i'll decide later on which card to buy
[06:07] <mixed1234> Dr. Willis, have you ever installed apps using wine?
[06:07] <MrKennie> gecko_: you could alternatively quit kmixer in the bottom right of your screen and start it again and use that.
[06:08] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  'wine setup.exe' :)
[06:10] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  newegg only has 3 'non x-fi' cards also.. all under $40
[06:10] <smarty> anyone know how i can connect to a shared drive (folder) thats hosted on a windows machine?
[06:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> glxgears still doesn'twork
[06:10] <gecko_> MrKennie: so at the botton of that mixer thingy, it says PCM, and i cant switch between anything else.. but i can make the bar go higher or lower.. is that all i should be able to do?
[06:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> same error
[06:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> smarty
[06:10] <mixed1234> Dr Willis, i use ubuntu studio and I know how to install wine, I dont know if the app Im going to install will work on linux, it's a DJ'ing app
[06:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> what is the network ip of that machine?
[06:10] <Dr_willis> smarty,  the kde file manager can access windwos shares.. or you could manually mount them. or browse them with the fusesmb tool. or perhaps use smb4k to browse/mount them
[06:11] <smarty> the local netwrok or the phyiscal IP
[06:11] <Dr_willis> mixed1234,  check the wine appdb i guess
[06:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> local netowkr 192.168.0.??
[06:11] <matthew_> hey, i gotta partion my hard drive to install both ubuntu and XP on my laptop, can i partition while ubuntu is installed, or do i gotta re-install?
[06:11] <smarty> .1
[06:11] <MrKennie> gecko_: yea, does it have MM at the bottom of that slider?
[06:11] <smarty> 192.168.1.100
[06:11] <smarty> file:///media/cdrom0/Meghas Camp=
[06:11] <smarty> file:///media/cdrom0/Nature.docx
[06:11] <smarty> Uh
[06:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> type into Dolphin smd://192.168.0.1
[06:11] <Dr_willis> smb:// :)
[06:11] <smarty> gotcha
[06:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> smb:// *
[06:12] <mixed1234> Dr Willis, im going to check the wind appdb, brb thanks!
[06:12] <smarty> soorry, im a noob
[06:12] <Dr_willis> that 'browses' the network. theres some icons in kde somewhere to get to that smb:// stuff also
[06:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> alt " f2
[06:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> then type dolphin
[06:12] <MrKennie> gecko_: oh, press left and right to switch to the next/previous control
[06:12] <gecko_> MrKennie: no it doesnt
[06:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> hit enter
[06:12] <matthew_> hey, i gotta partion my hard drive to install both ubuntu and XP on my laptop, can i partition while ubuntu is installed, or do i gotta re-install?
[06:12] <smarty> you can partition with ubuntu installed
[06:13] <matthew_> oh nice
[06:13] <matthew_> how?
[06:13] <smarty> partition magic
[06:13] <gecko_> MrKennie: ive tried going left and right... arrow keys right?? wont.. always says PCM
[06:13] <smarty> 3rd party software
[06:13] <matthew_> nice, thanks for that, really helps
[06:13] <mixed1234> brb
[06:13] <MrKennie> gecko_: you jsut see one control?
[06:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> !qtparted
[06:13] <Dr_willis> gparted is much cheaper then parttion magic. :)
[06:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> o.O
[06:13] <Dr_willis> !gparted
[06:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> qtparted is the best partition software every written
[06:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> ever*
[06:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> Priod.
[06:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> Period. *
[06:14] <matthew_> wait a sec, is this partition stuff free?
[06:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> duh?
[06:14] <smarty> gparted is
[06:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> this is kubuntu, nothing cost money
[06:14] <matthew_> i know
[06:14] <smarty> :)
[06:14] <matthew_> but someone said that it was...cheaper
[06:14] <Dr_willis> gparted is free. :)
[06:15] <MrKennie> as in spee
[06:15] <matthew_> k, so which one should i go for?
[06:15] <MrKennie> ch
[06:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> MrKennie: did you see my results?
[06:15] <smarty> cheaper in the sense that gparted is free
[06:15] <Dr_willis> the gparted live cd - is worth getting...  it will cost you the time to download. and a blank cd
[06:15] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: no sorry, i missed it
[06:15] <gecko_> MrKennie: ya, i guess so.. wont switch..
[06:15] <Sixofour|Sleep> glxgears still fails with the same error
[06:15] <matthew_> so, i should go with gparted?
[06:15] <smarty> try it
[06:15] <Dr_willis> matthew_,   it costs very little to try. :)
[06:15] <MrKennie> gecko_: ok, what does it say at the top? you should see Card: ...
[06:15] <matthew_> ah ic
[06:15] <gecko_> MrKennie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41455/
[06:16] <gecko_> MrKennie: :)
[06:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> MrKennie: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:16] <Sixofour|Sleep> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:16] <stdin> !test
[06:17] <MrKennie> gecko_: theoretically it should be working.
[06:17] <matthew_> so, is gparted graphical, or command-line?
[06:17] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: check Xorg.0.log
[06:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> what am i looking for?
[06:17] <MrKennie> errors
[06:17] <MrKennie> relating to glx
[06:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol, so i'll paste every line in the log then
[06:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh, glx errors
[06:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok
[06:18] <matthew_> how do i run gparted?
[06:18] <smarty> its a live cd
[06:18] <smarty> download it and burn the CD and then boot to it
[06:18] <matthew_> oh,i installed it with the package manager
[06:18] <smarty> oh
[06:18] <smarty> uh
[06:19] <matthew_> not what i'm wanting to do?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> You CAN install gparted to kubuntu. but you normally do NOT gparted drives you are using.
[06:19] <gecko_> MrKennie:.. thats weird... this is the first time i have ever used a USB sound system or even seen one.. always did the old school green input cable thing :)  .. so i dont know anything about it.
[06:19] <matthew_> oh, lol
[06:19] <matthew_> that's kinda funny i get it
[06:19] <Dr_willis> the live cd method lets you modify all drives on the system
[06:19] <MrKennie> gecko_: well, failing this you do have an alternative
[06:19] <matthew_> k, i get it
[06:19] <gecko_> MrKennie: such as?
[06:19] <MrKennie> gecko_: you can get a cable to plug in to your sound card on the computer and plug it into the speakers
[06:19] <gecko_> MrKennie: sorry miss read.. no i dont
[06:20] <matthew_> so i can create a partition, even though it's already partitioned under ubuntu?
[06:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> MrKennie: (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[06:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so
[06:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[06:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> only 3 instance of glx in the log
[06:20] <MrKennie> have you rebooted since installing?
[06:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> restarted X
[06:20] <MrKennie> from the login window?
[06:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> restarted X...from the k menu
[06:21] <gecko_> MrKennie: gah.. ok sorry totally wrong convo.. ok, i'll try that..
[06:21] <smarty> matthew: you can adjust the partition sizes, (create and delete any existing or nonexisting ones)
[06:21] <MrKennie> gecko_: but in order to do that you will need to reset your default card
[06:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> reboot pc?
[06:22] <MrKennie> gecko_: sudo asoundconf set-default-card IXP and then do what I said
[06:22] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: probably easiest
[06:22] <gecko_> MrKennie: gah, always a catch lol
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Anyone care to check if the cbs.com startrek videos work for them in firefox?
[06:22] <smarty> sec
[06:23] <Dr_willis> Im thinking cbs.com is reorganizing things and breaking stuff again
[06:23] <smarty> not for me
[06:23] <MrKennie> gecko_: it's a work around until you get more comfortable with Kubuntu.
[06:24] <smarty> doc : i was able to get it in Konqueror
[06:25] <smarty> Its laggy though
[06:25] <gecko_> MrKennie:  *Kisses MrKennie* .. Sweet! :P      ok, so now to hide the god for sakken cord from my lap :P
[06:25] <MrKennie> gecko_: all working?
[06:26] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: luck?
[06:26] <gecko_> MrKennie: yes, perfectly... but now my woundering question is why will usb not work for it?? i have other usb things in use and they work just fine..
[06:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> Mr
[06:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> MrKennie: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> :(
[06:27] <MrKennie> gecko_: the small errors I'm seeing are a result of improper usb compliance. It happens now and again but it shouldn't stop it working.
[06:28] <gecko_> MrKennie: can i some how fix those errors?? cause the cord thing will be a bit of a pain in the butt... i'll deal but got the system so i Didn't have the ugly cords :)
[06:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> nvidia is proving to be more trouble
[06:29] <gecko_> MrKennie:  LOL!!!!..... i removed the cord so i can move it around... sound works perfectly now.. thats weird .. but heck, im not complainning.
[06:29] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: more trouble than?
[06:30] <MrKennie> gecko_: weird..
[06:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> than ATi
[06:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> ATi had 3d accel working and all, just one game failed to run, so i downgraded the card to an nvidia and i cannot even get 3d accel
[06:30] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: so what card do you have in right now?
[06:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> my Nvidia
[06:31] <dwidmann> model?
[06:31] <MrKennie> gecko_: trial and error I think. If it works then maybe you can get the sound card disabled if you don't need it, that would simplify things.
[06:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> Geforce Fx5200, Ati Radeon X1300
[06:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> 128mb/256mb respectivly
[06:31] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: go to k -> settings -> nvidia x-server settings
[06:32] <dwidmann> using that, tell me which version of the nvidia driver you're using.
[06:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> is no nvidia x server settings
[06:32] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: then sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[06:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> dwidmann is it still worth it to use the nvidia over the ati,, i plan to play games
[06:33] <gecko_> MrKennie:  ... do i really want to screw with a working thing? lol
[06:33] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: getting 3d accel should be easy enough
[06:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> mostly HL2 source engine games
[06:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> yeah but my video memory wis cut in half
[06:33] <MrKennie> gecko_: well, if you dont use the built in sound card then you can disable it, just keeps things simpler
[06:34] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: both cards are fairly ancient ...
[06:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> i do not appear to be using an Nvidia X driver"...said nvidia x server settings
[06:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> who cares how old they are?..which one is better
[06:34] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: then there's the problem
[06:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have the best nvidia and ati i can get for PCI
[06:34] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: your driver set to nvidia btw?
[06:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't have agp or pcie
[06:35] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new nvidia-glx-legacy ; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings; sudo nvidia-xconfig
[06:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> Driver "nv"
[06:35] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: oh wait, you used the driver tool.
[06:35] <MrKennie> er, you need to changed that to nvidia
[06:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> :O
[06:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> can i sdo it in system settings?
[06:36] <MrKennie> nv is the opensource driver, nvidia is the proprietry driver.
[06:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> Monitor & Display settings
[06:36] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: you could just copy+paste what I just said and it'll be done and over with :)
[06:36] <gecko_> MrKennie: ok then.. how would i go about that?
[06:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> i got two WARNINGS!!!...from that command
[06:37] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: and they were?
[06:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> WARNING: The CorePointer device was not specified explicitly in the layout;
[06:38] <Sixofour|Sleep>          using the first CorePointer in the config input list.
[06:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> WARNING: The CoreKeyboard device was not specified explicitly in the layout;
[06:38] <Sixofour|Sleep>          using the first keyboard device
[06:38] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: should be safe to ignore
[06:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> "should be safe"..aka prelude to destruction.
[06:38] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: restart X and enjoy?
[06:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> restarting X
[06:42] <gecko_> MrKennie: gah.. ok i have to head out... i'll be back later, if you dont mind i have more questions. THANK YOU for your help though :)
[06:43] <MrKennie> gecko_: np
[06:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> FINALLY
[06:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> stupid peice of crap irc
[06:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> anyways, it failed
[06:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> dwidmann You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server
[06:45] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: do just that
[06:45] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep out of curiocity would run     lsb_release -r        please.
[06:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> 8.04
[06:45] <_2> k
[06:48] <jim__> Hey guys i cant see my task bar... what do i type to get it back ?
[06:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[06:49] <_2> jim__ is it hiden or not running ?    and kde3 or kde4 ?    and it is kde and not compiz ?
[06:50] <jim__> not running
[06:50] <_2> jim__ kicker
[06:50] <jim__> and i dunno which one 3 or 4
[06:50] <jim__> whats a kicker
[06:50] <_2> answer to your quesiton
[06:50] <jim__> ok
[06:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> Man, Nvidia is a pain in the ass to get working.
[06:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> Just like before.
[06:51] <jim__> so i type kicker and it will be fixed yeh
[06:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> !try
[06:51] <MrKennie> !nvidia
[06:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> ive done all that
[06:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> its just..gasp...not working
[06:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm going back to mky ATi card.
[06:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> there is better support for it apparently
[06:52] <_2> i thought all you had to do on hardy was some kmenu enable restricted extras thingy ?
[06:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> _2 when is anything that easy? :D
[06:52] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep did you look ?
[06:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> look where?
[06:53] <_2> kmenu
[06:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> whats kmenu?
[06:53] <_2> enough said.
[06:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm playing mp3 and mpeg if that answers your question
[06:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> even .wmv :D
[06:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> ubuntu-restricted-extras yes
[06:54] <mrksbrd> Sixofour|Sleep: Kmenu is down on the bottom left corner....(it's like windows start menu)
[06:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok, the K button, ok
[06:54] <MrKennie> but better
[06:54] <mrksbrd> yea
[06:54] <_2> mrksbrd it can also be moved to any location on the screen.
[06:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> btw.. Driver "nvidia"
[06:55] <MrKennie> organised and.. etc.
[06:55] <mrksbrd> in there go under "system"
[06:55] <mrksbrd> _2: lol...true
[06:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> what am i looking at under system?
[06:56] <mrksbrd> drivers hardware manager3
[06:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> nvidia thing is already open, says i have no nvidia drivers instyalled on this machine
[06:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh
[06:56] <mrksbrd> see if your card is listed
[06:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> yep..not in use o.O
[06:56] <mixed1234> Dr Willis, this is unreal, DJ MixStation works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> o.O o.O Bangs Head
[06:57] <mrksbrd> ok check the box it will d/l drivers needed then reboot
[06:57] <mixed1234> woohoohooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> it didn't dl anything
[06:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok it is now heh
[06:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> btw ive done this already
[06:57] <_2> mrksbrd cards he may have three vidio cards in that box at this time.   intel ati nvidia     just a note.
[06:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> didn'rt work
[06:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> i do
[06:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> Ati Nvidia intel
[06:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> actually i have 4 video cards
[06:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> ATi Nvidia Vesa Intel
[06:58] <_2> and doesn't expect conflicts...
[06:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> if i remvoe the ati nvidia won't work
[06:58] <_2> vesa is not a card     we told you that already
[06:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> no one said "its not a card"
[06:58] <_2> yes    i did
[06:58] <mrksbrd> u running multiple monitors or something
[06:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> you said tis some old shcool format
[06:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> no, one monitor
[06:59] <_2> no  that was someone else   i said  vesa is not a card
[06:59] <mrksbrd> why the need for 4 video cardss
[06:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> ask kubuntu
[06:59] <MrKennie> VESA == Video Electronics Standards Assocation
[06:59] <MrKennie> it is not a card
[07:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> i think my card jsut stright up doesn't support 3d acceleration..even though it ran oblivion o.O
[07:00] <_2> there is a 'vesa' driver   like there is a  'vga' driver     neither are a card
[07:00] <mrksbrd> whats the purpose if running 4 cards if your only using one monitor
[07:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> because you have to have all 4 or the nvidia won't work?
[07:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> explined long ago
[07:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> explained*
[07:01]  * _2 would have stuck with the onboard intel
[07:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> onborad intel doesn't play games
[07:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> its 4MB
[07:01] <_2> neither do i
[07:01] <_2> :)
[07:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> it struggles with .jpg rendering
[07:02] <mrksbrd> one card shouldn't have anything to do with the others working properly
[07:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> sure it does, when the pc expects one and gets something else
[07:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> obviously, or this situation wouldn't exist
[07:02] <mrksbrd> then they are conficting
[07:02] <mrksbrd> remove 3 & use 1
[07:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> you can't remove chips from the mother board
[07:03] <mrksbrd> your troubles would be much eaasier to troubleshoot
[07:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> if i remvoe the ati, computer will not give mke a display
[07:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> it will simply boot up -display
[07:03]  * _2 <rolls eyes>  install a fourth card,  maybe that will help 
[07:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> no matter where my monitor is plugged
[07:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> _2 its a dell,what do you expect?
[07:04]  * _2 is talking on a dell 
[07:04] <_2> ;/
[07:04] <Dr_willis> I would expect there to be a bios setting to disable the onboard video and select pci as the primary video card
[07:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> there probably is, but ive never even seen the bios.
[07:04] <mrksbrd> i have never heard of 4 onboard video chips built into one motheboard
[07:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> mrksbrd do you speak english?
[07:05] <_2> mrksbrd heh
[07:05] <Dr_willis> i would think a good look at the bios settings may be helpfull
[07:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> does grub have an option to load the bios?
[07:05] <Dr_willis> of course NOT. bios is befor grub even loads
[07:05] <mrksbrd> [02:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> you can't remove chips from the mother board.................this is what i am comenting on
[07:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> i used to be able to load bios at the windows screen
[07:05] <mrksbrd> i speak perfectly good english
[07:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> now THAT is odd
[07:06] <_2> mrksbrd and it's only three cards/chips   one on board two (ati and nv) added
[07:06] <Dr_willis> Bios 'key' is to be hit BEFOR any of the os loads.
[07:06] <mrksbrd> if your going to be a wise ass then figure it out yourself
[07:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> mrksbrd ive already explained one isn't a card one is an intel [intel is ALWAYS an onboard chip], and the other is an nvidia and ati
[07:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> the nvidia will not work if the ATi is not in the second slot
[07:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> don't ask why it just won't
[07:07] <_2> intel is not always an onboard chip...   i have an intel vidio card
[07:07] <Omoikane> Every time I start deluge I get No DHT file to resume
[07:07] <Omoikane> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'asio::system_error'
[07:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> _2 ... lol
[07:07] <Dr_willis> Omoikane,  i would try a different torrent client
[07:07] <Omoikane> Really?
[07:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> i am thinking ATi is better on Linux, Nvidia is like WHOA pain.
[07:07] <Omoikane> It was working so well
[07:08] <Dr_willis> Omoikane,  err... yes... I hate deluge
[07:08] <Omoikane> and I have a torrent that is almost finished.
[07:08] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep then why didn't you get the ati working hours ago ?
[07:08] <_2> never mind.
[07:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> because i wasn't sure if ti was broken or not
[07:08] <_2> i'll stay out of this.
[07:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[07:08] <MrKennie> _2: because fglrx locks up his system
[07:08] <Dr_willis> No idea on that.. ktorrent has a plugin to import other torrents/clients.. or just give ktorrent the .torrent  file and point it to the right data directory i guess..
[07:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> that also
[07:09] <_2> MrKennie i know.
[07:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> and everyone was talking about how easy nvidia was to use
[07:09] <Dr_willis> Screwed up hardware on your end.. does not prove a problem on the kubuntu end.
[07:09] <dwidmann> Sixofour|Sleep: it is ... for most people.
[07:09] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: firstly, determine why you can't boot with just your nvidia card, try different slots. When you have solved that then you can persue the nvidia-glx issue.
[07:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> i did MrKennie
[07:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> I tried the Nvidia in both slots
[07:10] <Dr_willis> I would suggest you attempt to check out the bios items and disable the onboard if at all possible,
[07:10] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: solve it?
[07:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> i solved it when i put an ATi in slot two yeah
[07:10] <MrKennie> something is wrong, a bios setting or something. you need to find out what.
[07:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> lots of stuff is wrong, i get 5000 DBUS errors when i start
[07:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> lots of other stuff, etc etc
[07:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> i wouldn't know where to begin in the bios
[07:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> as ive never seen a bios
[07:11] <Dr_willis> begin by gettting to the bios.. :)  and disabling the onboard video. is the normal thing to do.. if its doable
[07:12] <_2> :)
[07:12] <kuresuna> when the computer starts up keep pressing the delete key or F2
[07:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> How do i get into the Bios?
[07:12] <kuresuna> untill it takes you into the bios
[07:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok
[07:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> brb
[07:12] <MrKennie> dell bios is pretty simple.
[07:12] <Dr_willis> you LOOK at the initial boot screens theres proberly some message 'hit f1 to get to bios' or esc, or F12 or somthing
[07:12] <mrksbrd> OMFG!!!!!!!!!!
[07:12] <MrKennie> aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrghhhh
[07:13] <MrKennie> he's been at it for hours
[07:13] <Dr_willis> MrKennie,  :) 'PEBAK'
[07:13] <_2> MrKennie no.  days.
[07:13] <MrKennie> god
[07:13] <mrksbrd> i'm sure hrs will turn into months...cause he doesn't listen
[07:13] <_2> yeah.
[07:14] <mrksbrd> just tell him to go back to winblows
[07:15] <_2> nah.   he might fight with this thing until he actually learns something.   then he could be real handy at helping others just like him...
[07:15] <MrKennie> he needs to learn to read
[07:15] <_2> that's a scary thought... others just like him
[07:15]  * mrksbrd goes w/wishful thinking....lol
[07:16] <mrksbrd> MrKennie: if he would just listen instead of question then it would be easier for us to help him figure it out
[07:16] <MrKennie> that would be nice
[07:17] <kuresuna> lol
[07:17] <mrksbrd> that's all i'm saying....i still have plenty of ?'s but i take all ideas (help) into considertion
[07:18] <mrksbrd> oh well....lol.....5 mins in the channel & my blood is boiling.....oh well !!!!!!
[07:18] <_2> i have a question.   why does avidemux not allow you to input a path for loading a file... it only has the point and click methood
[07:18] <_2> ?
[07:18] <Dr_willis> _2,  because its not a well done interface? :)
[07:19] <MrKennie> I have a question too as it happens
[07:19]  * _2 accepts the doctors diagnosis and concurs
[07:19] <mrksbrd> lol
[07:19] <MrKennie> I seem to be missing any sort of compiz configurability in system-settings
[07:20] <_2> MrKennie i can point at the compiz channel if you want me too ?
[07:20] <_2> :)
[07:20] <mrksbrd> is everything grey'd out?
[07:21] <MrKennie> oh, desktop effects worked but I seem to remember being able to configure all the different plugins
[07:21] <MrKennie> but there's nothing
[07:21] <kuresuna> MrKennie: i think you need CCSM
[07:22] <_2> !compiz | not trying to insult, just a reminder.
[07:22] <kuresuna> do a sudo apt-get install ccsm
[07:22] <mrksbrd> i'm not sure if this one is as configurable as the version you can d/l
[07:22] <Dr_willis> I dont think the package name is 'ccsm'
[07:22] <Dr_willis> !ccsm
[07:22] <kuresuna> hehe it is ccsm
[07:23] <MrKennie> ah yes but I thought compizconfig-backend-kconfig provided the module for system-settings
[07:23] <_2> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[07:23] <MrKennie> nowhere to be found
[07:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> ugh
[07:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> now even ATi is broke.
[07:24] <_2> scuse me!   In component universe, is extra
[07:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> do you think blocking "fglrx" stopped glxgears from working?
[07:24] <MrKennie> I have it installed, I mean I can't use it because I can't find where to use it
[07:24] <MrKennie> compizconfig-backend-kconfig that is
[07:24] <Dr_willis> MrKennie,  type 'ccsm' in a terminal
[07:24] <Dr_willis> :)  is one way
[07:25] <MrKennie> I'm aware of that one
[07:25] <kuresuna> or you can find it in KMenu > Settings > Advance desktop effects
[07:25] <MrKennie> I want to know what happened to the kde version of it
[07:25] <Dr_willis> Never noticed a kde version of it.
[07:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> So i removed the Nvidia, everything worked, then i try glxgears and it doesn't work, changed ati drivers to fglrx for Radeon and everything is busted
[07:25] <MrKennie> I specifically remember there being a system settings module of some sort
[07:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> i should remember to not fix what isn't broken
[07:26] <mrksbrd> http://www.compiz-fusion.org/
[07:26] <_2> MrKennie you are not thinking about the kde4 stuff are you ?
[07:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> on another ntoe, ATi doesn't lockup my system anymore
[07:26] <mrksbrd> should be some sort of help file in there
[07:26] <MrKennie> _2: lol, you know I could be
[07:26] <MrKennie> doh!
[07:27] <MrKennie> of course
[07:27] <MrKennie> have to put up with the ugly ccsm I guess
[07:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there any way to restore my system to what it was..6 hours ago?
[07:27] <Dr_willis> Sixofour|Sleep,  not really
[07:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> everything worked
[07:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> damn
[07:27] <Dr_willis> If it was working.. why did you start messing with it?
[07:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> do you think blocking "fglrx" stopped glxgears from working?
[07:27] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: X broken again?
[07:27] <_2> oh i don't know.  you could reload
[07:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> i was trying to fix a game
[07:28] <Dr_willis> fglrx would be needd to get 3d  stuff working
[07:28] <_2> one thing about it.  if you reinstall enough times you get good at it
[07:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> MrKennie:  told me to put it on a blacklist or something
[07:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't even remember where
[07:28]  * mrksbrd bangs his head against the wall
[07:28] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: no, we disabled the kubuntu version of it
[07:29] <MrKennie> we did not blacklist anything
[07:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> and since then glxgears has stopped working.
[07:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> so how do i undisable it?
[07:29] <Dr_willis> undo what you did befor?
[07:29] <Dr_willis> I dident keep a log. :)
[07:29] <MrKennie> but since you have used an intel card, and nvidia and whatever else.
[07:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> ive never used the intel
[07:30] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep irclogs   <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: have you added ati-agp to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
[07:30] <MrKennie> oh ok, there is that but that's not fglrx
[07:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats not it, and no i didn't
[07:30] <MrKennie> and it doesn't matter anyway
[07:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> So...
[07:31] <MrKennie>  /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[07:31] <MrKennie> that's what I told you to edit to stop ubuntu updating it because you were installing it manually
[07:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> so reboot and hope for the best?
[07:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> restart X *
[07:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> i removed fglrx
[07:33] <_2> "reboot will fix anything" -- $brand_new_to_linux
[07:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> this kmenu thing is weird, tells me all my video devices, doesn't tell me which one i am using
[07:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> that is why i thought i was using intel drives on my ati card
[07:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> Hardware Drivers says no proprietary drivers on this system o.O
[07:34] <_2> and what is "why i didn't listen to you people correct me about that"  ?
[07:34] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: if you want to go back to where you started then simply do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:35] <_2> i'm sorry.  i'm being a pest right now.   i'll quit.
[07:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[07:35] <Sixofour|Sleep>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080829023530
[07:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> all clear?
[07:35] <MrKennie> yes
[07:35] <kuresuna> yup
[07:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> anything else we can think of?
[07:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> fudge it i'll restart
[07:36] <MrKennie> reboot, if your games don't work, then you will have to use windows for games. It sucks but that's life.
[07:36] <_2> "reboot will fix anything" -- $brand_new_to_linux
[07:37] <mrksbrd> omg
[07:37] <Dr_willis> Ya will have to use windows to play DOOM on your PCI video card.... :P
[07:37] <kuresuna> lol
[07:37] <mrksbrd> i would just give up guys
[07:37] <MrKennie> I just have
[07:37] <Dr_willis> OR remove all the extra stuff.. figure out how to get to the bios.. disable the onboard video. plug in nvidia card.. and reinstall. :)
[07:37] <MrKennie> which is why I told him to do that stuff.
[07:37] <mrksbrd> his head is harder than a piece of titanium
[07:37] <kuresuna> feel somewhat sorry for the guy
[07:38] <MrKennie> kuresuna: but he won't listen.
[07:38] <Dr_willis> mixxing an ati+nvidia video card.. is a pain.. adding PCI into it... makes it 3x harder
[07:38]  * _2 wonders how old this kid is anyway.....
[07:38] <kuresuna> MrKennie: i did say somewhat lol
[07:38] <mrksbrd> i'm guessing...10-12yoa
[07:38] <_2> nah at least 15
[07:38] <Dr_willis> When ya dont know how to diable the onboard in the bios.. that would be step1.. :)
[07:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> crono@Nekron:~$ glxgears
[07:39] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: all good?
[07:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[07:39] <_2> too hard headed to be younger
[07:39] <kuresuna> xD
[07:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> maby my card is fine and glxgears is broke?
[07:39] <MrKennie> Sixofour|Sleep: I would leave it, you're flogging a dead horse.
[07:39] <kuresuna> if you really want
[07:39] <kuresuna> just do a full re-install
[07:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> why leave it?...doing everything ive been told in chat broke it.
[07:40] <MrKennie> *sigh*
[07:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there a way to reinstall without...destroying, everything?
[07:40] <kuresuna> back up your home directory if you can
[07:40] <Dr_willis> define everything.. :)
[07:40] <kuresuna> you can always re-download packages easily
[07:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't want to reformat or loose everything ive already configured
[07:40] <mrksbrd> thats because you are NOT listening to what we are telling you...all your doing is ?'ing what we are telling you
[07:40] <_2> kuresuna i can't ... dialup
[07:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> mrksbrd name one thing i questions?
[07:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> questioned*
[07:41] <kuresuna> i see...
[07:41] <MrKennie> whoa, dial up
[07:41] <_2> yeah
[07:41] <kuresuna> I blew my cap recently and so im on dialup speed till the 11th xD
[07:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> do any of you even know what the error is from?
[07:42] <MrKennie> I remember downloading debian on dial up. ugh.
[07:42] <mrksbrd> if you want to just sit back & listen to what people are telling you we have no problem with helping you.....thats what we are here for
[07:42] <kuresuna> Sixofour|Sleep: which error?
[07:42] <kuresuna> you got alot it seems
[07:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> the glsgears one
[07:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> glxgears*
[07:42] <Dr_willis> so now we are back to trying to use the ati card?
[07:42] <_2> i get one plus from dialup   DoS only resets my connection doesn't affect the running system in any noticable way    hehhe    pro's and con's to everything i guess.
[07:42] <kuresuna> Sixofour|Sleep: can't help you with that, try re-installing GXLGears
[07:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> yes, nvidia doesn't work on linux period, as usual
[07:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> i will actually
[07:43] <kuresuna> Sixofour|Sleep: there are some nvidia drivers out there for certain cards, check if yours is compataible
[07:44] <mrksbrd> glxgears is for testing purposes of frame rate.......
[07:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> i can't reinstall mesa-utils i already have it
[07:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> glxgears will tell me if 3D Accel is working
[07:44] <_2> you can reinstall        sheez
[07:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> and do everything ive done in the past 3 days over? no
[07:45] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep command to reinstall a package is simple    sudo apt-get install --reinstall <package_name_here>
[07:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh
[07:45]  * Dr_willis wonders what all one could do.. that basicially isent in /home/username or /etc/
[07:45] <_2> yeah oh!
[07:45] <_2> Sixofour|Sleep see that's why it's hard for you to get help here.
[07:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> What?
[07:46] <_2> but i've said too much.
[07:46] <Dr_willis> then again.. backing up bad configs/messed up settings and restoring them . is  not going to fix much.
[07:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> ive never had trouble getting help actually
[07:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> same error :/
[07:46] <kuresuna> Sixofour|Sleep you could always back up working config's and your home files. 3 days and you woudn't of changed too much
[07:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> i changed alot in 3 days
[07:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> ALOT
[07:47] <[pyro]> whats his problem?
[07:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> gained 20Gb from configureing stuff
[07:47] <Dr_willis> 0_o
[07:47] <kuresuna> wow
[07:47] <Dr_willis> Hmmm.....
[07:47] <MrKennie> lol
[07:47] <[pyro]> lol
[07:47]  * Dr_willis finds that a little hard to belive
[07:47] <MrKennie> you write a new kernel?
[07:47] <kuresuna> lol
[07:48] <kuresuna> xD
[07:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, i went from 74GB down to 59ish GB
[07:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> it was a few GB i know
[07:48] <Dr_willis> so by 'configuring' you mean 'removed packages' ?
[07:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> adding all kinds of shit, editing fourtyleven files
[07:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> getting wine and steam to work
[07:49] <kuresuna> Sixofour|Sleep gettings steam to work under wine dosn't require any special editing
[07:49] <[pyro]> Sixofour|Sleep: whats your problem?
[07:49] <Dr_willis> I am amazed at the stuff people do to get games working...
[07:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok pyro, heres my story
[07:49] <[pyro]> hmm
[07:50] <MrKennie> good wasn't it?
[07:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> I had ATi with prpritey drivers, it was working, fully 3d accelerated, everythign was rgeat, but fortress forever wouldn't run [it crashed at game render]..i THOUGHT i was using an intel drive on my ati card, so i started installing stuff to get "ati drivers"
[07:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> system failure, i decided to try nvidia since its easyer, well, nvidia barely works in my system, and it some how broke glxgears, so i went back to ATi, glxgears is still broke so i can't tell if i have 3d ACCEL
[07:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> on my ATi
[07:51] <[pyro]> ugh what an ugly mess
[07:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> insert jokes/insults/giggles/cries/sighs inbetween each process
[07:52] <[pyro]> so have you removed all said drivers and started again from fresh?
[07:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> how can i do that?
[07:52] <MrKennie> don't forget to mention your cards are PCI.
[07:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> remvoe EVERYTHING related to nvidia/ati
[07:52] <[pyro]> your using legacy stuff?
[07:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> my cards are PCI not PCIe also
[07:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> ive no clue, want a glxinfo?
[07:53] <[pyro]> no
[07:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> right now i am using the default fglrx ati driver standard
[07:53] <MrKennie> I don't think you are.
[07:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> the one you select in Monitors & Display menu
[07:53] <MrKennie> you are probably using the radeon driver
[07:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> wtf i'm using fbdev
[07:54] <MrKennie> we reset your config if you recall
[07:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm using fbdev Radeon
[07:54] <MrKennie> anyway, I'm butting in, sorry.
[07:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> oops
[07:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> Section "Device"
[07:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[07:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> EndSection
[07:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> i thin that is default
[07:56] <[pyro]> Sixofour|Sleep: if i was u id be removing all the drivers you put in, backing up your X11.conf and starting again
[07:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> one thing i noticed, the menu isn't bugging me if i want to use proprietary drivers, when i first installed it did
[07:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't know how pyro
[07:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> ive been using kubuntu for 3 days
[07:57] <[pyro]> you've been using linux for three days?
[07:57] <[pyro]> so no prior linux exp in any other distro?
[07:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> i tried before 2 years ago with 5.10
[07:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> couldn't get nvidia working, so i left
[07:58] <[pyro]> hmm, so i guess the others have told you to re-install
[07:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> yep
[07:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> but id loose alot of configurations
[07:59] <Dr_willis> i also suggested figureing out how to get to the bios - to disable the onboard video.
[07:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> 'and that is a pain
[07:59] <[pyro]> yep, got that bit
[07:59] <[pyro]> oh you have on-board video too?
[07:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> i did disable onboard video btw
[07:59] <mrksbrd> Sixofour|Sleep: what is your exact nvidia card?
[07:59] <Dr_willis> But aparently the system used to work with it enabled. So proberly wnt matter.
[07:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> Nvidia GeForce FX5200
[07:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> it was the same in 2006
[08:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> acutally i don't think i disabled it
[08:00] <[pyro]> are you trying to use compiz? or just play games?
[08:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> not sure, heh
[08:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> games was working cept one lol
[08:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> but yes, games
[08:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> infact why don't i try a working game?..brb
[08:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> TFC worked great, but i couldn't connect to anyservers
[08:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> but the graophics were fine
[08:04] <[pyro]> Sixofour|Sleep: some games just dont work with some hardware configurations in linux. Its impossible to account for all the hardware combos that can exist
[08:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> i know, but just because it crashes doesn't mean its unfixable
[08:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> and windows isn't always the answer
[08:04] <kuresuna> Sixofour|Sleep: most times it does
[08:04] <[pyro]> for example, my laptop has a POS intel card in it which does support 3d, but i have to run 915resolution to get the proper res' out of it and games just wont work with it.
[08:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats because its a pos intel card
[08:05] <[pyro]> but in windows games are fine
[08:05] <mrksbrd> Sixofour|Sleep: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-376916.html ..........see if this helps
[08:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, if no one tried to fix crashes, no development would happen, its much better than using windows and closeing out the possiability of a fix being found
[08:06] <[pyro]> anyways 5pm, im outie! home / beer time :)
[08:06] <kuresuna> [pyro] cya!
[08:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> and, i am tired of windows
[08:06] <mrksbrd> see ya pyro...drink 10 for me
[08:06] <kuresuna> lol
[08:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> so much that i would use linux without my favorite programs, than run windows
[08:06] <[pyro]> lol, ill keg it up ;)
[08:06] <[pyro]> Sixofour|Sleep: i use linux on my laptop and game on windows on my desktop rig
[08:06] <[pyro]> its easier that way
[08:07] <kuresuna> Sixofour|Sleep: you can always join the wine IRC channel for win support or post on the wine forums for bug reporting / development
[08:07] <[pyro]> and i dont care if my gaming box is hax0r3d because its just a gaming box
[08:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> i did post in the wine forums, no reply yet
[08:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't care about hax...i just don't like windows lol
[08:07] <Sixofour|Sleep> because its by microsoft
[08:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> id i wouldn't drop a hat at the chance to kill bill gates lol
[08:08] <kuresuna> patience is a virtue
[08:08] <[pyro]> as much as i dislike it, windows has its place
[08:08] <[pyro]> but im off, talk to you all later :)
[08:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> patiently waiting for that inevitable time where the world is locked into microsoft
[08:08] <kuresuna> seya pyro!
[08:08] <Sixofour|Sleep> :9
[08:09] <kuresuna> Sixofour|Sleep: some o my programs just don't work under wine
[08:09] <mrksbrd> 6...did u see the link i posted?
[08:09] <kuresuna> so i use VMware for them
[08:09] <MrKennie> what's this "windows" I keep seeing?
[08:09] <mrksbrd> lol
[08:09] <arty_> kuresuna: us virtual box is better
[08:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> what is virtual box?
[08:09] <kuresuna> atry_: i'll look into it
[08:09] <arty_> Sixofour|Sleep:
[08:10] <arty_> virtual box is like vmware but free and better
[08:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D steam won't even load
[08:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> what is vmware?
[08:10] <arty_> try and you will se
[08:10] <Dr_willis> it wont help much with games.. however.
[08:10] <MrKennie> !vmware
[08:10] <kuresuna> steam is dodgy enough under windows let alone with wine
[08:10] <Dr_willis> except for basic games.
[08:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> steam worked fine before
[08:10] <arty_> !vmware-server
[08:10] <kuresuna> i only use VMware for running FL studio
[08:11] <Dr_willis> I just use virutalbox to test out live cd's
[08:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> wtf you got flstudio to work?..it won't accept my key
[08:11] <kuresuna> xD FL studio under VMware
[08:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> flstudio 70% of the use for my PC
[08:11] <kuresuna> in windows
[08:11] <MrKennie> fl studio?
[08:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> flstudio is pretty much the only thing left that would force me into windows o.O
[08:12] <kuresuna> its like rose garden in linux, music sequencing program
[08:12] <MrKennie> oh i see
[08:12] <MrKennie> not tried thingy then?
[08:12] <kuresuna> eh?
[08:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> flstudio is the awesome
[08:13] <MrKennie> ardour
[08:13] <MrKennie> I couldn't think of what it was called.
[08:13] <kuresuna> MrKennie: tried that
[08:13] <MrKennie> any good?
[08:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> nothing is like FLStudio
[08:13] <kuresuna> but im just so used to FL
[08:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> automation
[08:13] <kuresuna> ah its quite good yes
[08:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> ftw
[08:13] <MrKennie> I've only ever used the other thingy..
[08:14] <MrKennie> apart from open source stuff
[08:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> ok steam works, lets try TFC
[08:14] <kuresuna> I've got my Kubuntu dual boot with Ubuntu Studio
[08:14] <kuresuna> trying to get into open source tools for composition
[08:15] <MrKennie> oh what is it called? ooh Cubase. I supported IT at a studio for a while and had to learn it somewhat.
[08:15] <MrKennie> bloated pile of crap
[08:15] <kuresuna> lol
[08:15] <kuresuna> so is Cakewalk
[08:15] <aadi> hello word
[08:15] <kuresuna> hi
[08:16] <aadi> hi
[08:17] <MrKennie> I think one day opensource will prevail in this area.
[08:17] <kuresuna> yup
[08:17] <kuresuna> MrKennie: have you tried ubuntu studio?
[08:18] <MrKennie> not yet, I don't really have the sound hardware although I'm planning on getting an M-Audio firewire box.
[08:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> open source will rpevail in music?
[08:18] <MrKennie> of course
[08:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> you don't need sound hardware
[08:18] <MrKennie> I do if I want to record something
[08:18] <Sixofour|Sleep> ive been producing for years with a crystal audio sound chip
[08:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> its all in the CPU
[08:19] <MrKennie> and I'm damned if I'm using the intel.
[08:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, recording maby
[08:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> doesn't matter, most apps, the sound card is simply used for throwing sound at the speakers
[08:19] <kuresuna> ah not really
[08:19] <Sixofour|Sleep> in flstudio it is
[08:19] <kuresuna> midi controllers need good sound cards to get low latency
[08:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> nto really, i use a midi keyboard, works fine
[08:20] <kuresuna> if you have a generic card you can have up to 400 ms of latency
[08:20] <MrKennie> it does to me, I like perfection and most onboard sound chips suck at that kind of thing
[08:20] <kuresuna> yeah
[08:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have a generic card and i can get 35thousand
[08:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> MS
[08:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> up to 35 thousand
[08:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[08:20] <kuresuna> err... thats not good
[08:20] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't use 35 thousand, but you know
[08:20] <kuresuna> xD you want near 12 ms latency
[08:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> nah, i use 45ms
[08:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> i don't play live
[08:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> but i put it up to 35k when i don't need midi keybaord
[08:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> makes ti sound great
[08:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> not 35k wtf am i thinking
[08:21] <Sixofour|Sleep> 3.5k
[08:21] <kuresuna> xD
[08:21] <kuresuna> hmm too much for me, even when sequencing i use around 50 ms
[08:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> but flstudio won't run in wine ... won't accept my regkey damnit
[08:22] <MrKennie> crack it
[08:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> demo mode ftl
[08:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> i am using a crack
[08:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[08:22] <kuresuna> to crack it you need a registry entry xD
[08:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> i tried two
[08:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> yep
[08:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> tried two of them
[08:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> in wien
[08:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> wine8
[08:22] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have 815 project files, if i can't crack it i will have to go to windows
[08:23] <MrKennie> I tell you one use I have for wine on my laptop, and that's for flash 8 (for work)
[08:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> 815 project files, thats alot of hours of work
[08:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> kuresuna:  you said you used vmware or what ever for FLStudio?
[08:23] <kuresuna> ah good old flash
[08:23] <kuresuna> Sixofour|Sleep yes i do
[08:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> think that will help me?
[08:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> this is on linux right?
[08:24] <MrKennie> only thing that doesn't work is the help stuff but that's rubbish anyway
[08:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> help in fruityloops breaks the crack heh
[08:24] <kuresuna> well
[08:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> kure can i PM you?..shouldn't talk about this in public
[08:24] <MrKennie> and I only use flash so I can import the designers projects and add actionscript.
[08:24] <kuresuna> Sixofour|Sleep: VMware is a Virtual windows running inside your linux
[08:24] <kuresuna> pm me sure
[08:27] <MrKennie> on that bomb shell, I'm off to get a couple of hours sleep.
[08:27] <kuresuna> alright
[08:28] <kuresuna> Catch ya later MrKennie!
[08:28] <MrKennie> l8r
[08:38] <pritam> I use pppoeconf to connect to the internet
[08:38] <pritam> wondering, is it possible to configure this connection
[08:39] <pritam> to redial if it gets disconnected.
[08:39] <kuresuna> try using KPPP for dial-up internet
[08:39] <sunshine> or buy a router
[08:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> so, how do i reinstall kubuntu qwithout deleteing anything?
[08:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm jsut gonna do it :D
[08:40] <kuresuna> backup your Home directory
[08:40] <kuresuna> and any special configurations you made
[08:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> before i go further and emss up more stuff
[08:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> what do you mean by "back up"?
[08:41] <kuresuna> copy them to an external hard drive or somthing
[08:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> am i basicly going to loose everything?
[08:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> crapola
[08:41] <kuresuna> yup
[08:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> let me see if they are still on my network
[08:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> i hope
[08:42] <ak|ra> hi
[08:42] <ak|ra> in my 804* 64bit kubuntu i have no "user session" in my kdm. just give me hints how to tell kdm to use my .xsession
[08:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> of course nothing is backed up, lol
[08:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> so i need to back everything up, again
[08:43] <kuresuna> Sixofour|Sleep: back it up if you want lol
[08:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> its 8gb of stuff
[08:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> .rared
[08:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> what is the BESt compression format in existence?
[08:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> for kubuntu
[08:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i get 12GB onto a floppy?
[08:50] <martinjh99> Morning - How do I get the restricted dialog back that starts when you first install Kubuntu?
[08:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> .rar isn't good enough
[08:52] <jussi01> martinjh99: system settings -> advanced -> restricted drivers
[08:53] <martinjh99> Got it thanks!
[09:05] <tiberius_> I've had to a fresh install cause I broke my system playing with KDE 4. I've reinstalled and i updated using "aptitude safe-upgrade" but adept notifies me that I still have "10 updated packages available". What should I do? Is it safe to install the remaining packages?
[09:06] <jussi01> tiberius_: Id say do a dist-upgrade, or use the package managers upgrade service
[09:08] <tiberius_> jussi01: So that's "aptitude full-upgrade" isn't it?
[09:08] <jussi01> tiberius_: aptitude has dist-upgrade also iirc
[09:09] <jussi01> yep, it does
[09:09] <tiberius_> Are they the same thing?
[09:10] <sena> hey guys, how do you enter text mode while booting (on kubuntu 8.04), or how do you configure it so that when it boots it always shows the details (text)
[09:11] <jussi01> sena: remove quiet from the grub line
[09:11] <jussi01> tiberius_: not exactly sure, why?
[09:11] <sena> 10x jussi01
[09:11] <sena> :)
[09:12] <jussi01> :)
[09:12] <tiberius_> jussi01: Never mind, just curious, thank you for the help. I'll update using adept.
[09:13] <sena> i googled a lot, but somehow i could not formulate my question good enough for the searching machine
[09:18] <lenea> how do i manually start kde using console?
[09:19] <kuresuna> startx
[09:20] <lenea> x is already started man
[09:20] <lenea> i need to start mde
[09:20] <lenea> *kde
[09:21] <kuresuna> hmmm
[09:21] <kuresuna> i don't know then
[09:21] <jussi01> lenea: so you are in gnome?
[09:21] <jpds> jussi01: Blasphemy.
[09:21] <lenea> jussi01 : nope, i'm using KDE. but it somehow failed to start so i ended up in console mode
[09:22] <jussi01> lenea: so, busybox terminal? or?
[09:22] <stdin> start x; then open an xterm, and run "startkde"
[09:22]  * jussi01 hugs stdin
[09:23] <lenea> stdin : startx just gets me back into console mode 'cause it can't load KDE
[09:23] <jussi01> lenea: what did you do to cause this=??
[09:24] <lenea> nothing that i'm aware of, that's the weird part
[09:24] <dwidmann> borked upgrade?
[09:24] <lenea> dwidmann : possible
[09:24] <dwidmann> lenea: what does "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" do?
[09:25] <lenea> hmm, 115 files to install. WTF
[09:26] <lenea> but aren't those part of kde3? i'm using kde4
[09:28] <dwidmann> ah, that information would have been useful
[09:29] <dwidmann> seeing as you *are* in the kde3 kubuntu support channel :P
[09:29] <lenea> oh damn, so wich one is the kde4? :D
[09:29] <dwidmann> lenea: #kubuntu-kde4
[09:29] <lenea> damn, thanks alot. my bad
[09:38] <ghizlan> hi all
[09:38] <dwidmann> welcome
[09:38] <ghizlan> i need help with usb modem
[09:39] <ghizlan> i can connect to msn and skype
[09:39] <ghizlan> but when im oppening firefox or other browser
[09:39] <ghizlan> it show me no connexion
[09:39] <dwidmann> That sounds weirdtastic
[09:40] <ghizlan> yeap
[09:40] <jussi01> ghizlan: checked the work offline is unticked?
[09:41] <ghizlan> usualy when i connect to wireless no plm but on usb i have that plm
[09:42] <jussi01> ghizlan: did you check the browser setting?
[09:42] <ghizlan> yyeap
[09:42]  * jussi01 often has this problem with his usb connection to his 3g phone...
[09:44] <ghizlan> in browser everything is ok
[09:46] <ghizlan> ok i opened konqueror and i pressed all by default and its working
[09:46] <ghizlan> thx guyz
[09:47] <jussi01> :)
[09:52] <dwidmann> :S My KDE4 apps (kalarm, akregator, kopete, etc)aren't showing up in the kickers systray applet :(
[09:52] <dwidmann> very weird ... they showed up fine earlier
[09:53] <Vi42440> Anybody familiar with Firebird & IMAP -protocol?
[09:56] <Vi42440> Is there a setting, that keeps all messages in my computer, even when I remove the message from mail server. Now, when I fetch new messages, they will be removed if they dont exist in the server anymore...
[09:57] <Vi42440> I need to keep all messages in my computer, but the server space is quite small so better keep it empty...
[09:58] <stdin> sounds more like you want POP rather than IMAP
[09:58] <Vi42440> The shitty mail server is microzoft and it only supports IMAP...
[09:59] <jussi01> !ohmy | Vi42440
[09:59] <Vi42440> ubottu: Sorry about that master AI!
[10:00] <dwidmann> Vi42440: stdin has a good point ... IMAPs main selling point is that it keeps the messages on the server ...
[10:02] <Vi42440> dwidmann: So basically only way is to resend/guide a copy of a message to some POP (gMail) server and then use that...?
[10:03] <dwidmann> I've no idea, but that would probably work too
[10:19] <AndrewMohawk> anyone had an issue with kubuntu - seems to be on 8.04 and 7.10 - with the shift,ctrl,alt,function keys etc not responding
[10:19] <AndrewMohawk> i think its related to vmware
[10:55] <alessandro_> ciao
[10:57] <waylandbill> is WUBI compatible with Vista?
[10:59] <xevious> does anyone have any idea how long it'll take to e2fsck -f a 1.2tb ext3 filesystem?
[11:02] <waylandbill> xevious: depends on the hardware speed... and if any errors are found...
[11:02] <xevious> waylandbill: it's on a hardware raid 5 array
[11:03] <xevious> waylandbill: the controller is an adaptec 2810sa
[11:03] <waylandbill> xevious: I couldn't fashion a guess, a terrabyte will take a while.
[11:04] <xevious> i got 8 reeeallly blinky lights right now, though. it's delicious
[11:05] <logan> !fr
[11:05] <waylandbill> xevious: lol. if the lights are anagalous directly to disk activity, almost completely steady on would be great.
[11:06] <xevious> it appears always on, but varying in brightness
[11:06] <xevious> probably due to it blinking faster than the led can respond
[11:06] <waylandbill> xevious: that's good. it's zipping right along.
[11:07] <xevious> are we talking minutes hours or days?
[11:07] <waylandbill> hours.
[11:07] <xevious> it just took 41 hours to add the 6th drive to my raid 5 volume
[11:08] <xevious> however, i am running a 64bit adaptec server raid card in an asus mini atx socket am2 board
[11:09] <xevious> so i'm not expecting the best performance
[11:09] <xevious> i just want the raid-5-iness
[11:10] <waylandbill> well. you know the time will be "0 < n hours < 41 hours" at least. :)
[11:11] <xevious> does fsck have an option to make it scroll excessive amounts of progress data across your screen?
[11:11] <xevious> i ran e2fsck -v -f /dev/sda1
[11:11] <xevious> but it doesnt appear to be being any more verbose than without the -v flag
[11:12] <ayatoller> Help trying to compile asterisk on ubuntu server it complains about needing ncurses. Running aptitude install ncurses I get error no candidate version available????
[11:12] <waylandbill> looking at the man page, -C looks promising
[11:13] <waylandbill> ayatoller: doing a "apt-get build-dep asterisk" first should pull in the dependencies and their development headers.
[11:13] <ayatoller> yup true I will try thx
[11:14] <waylandbill> xevious: -C Display  completion/progress  bars for those filesystem checkers (currently only for ext2 and ext3) which  support  them.
[11:15] <xevious> waylandbill: e2fsck -f -v -C 0 /dev/sda1
[11:15] <xevious> nice percentage bar
[11:15] <waylandbill> that will give you at least a clue of how long it will take.
[11:15] <xevious> i'd prefer inodes flying by at unreadable speeds, but this will do
[11:16] <waylandbill> xevious: you say unreadable, but non-geeks think us geeks can read that fast. Don't let the secret out!!
[11:17] <xevious> yeah it freaks them out if you can think of something to say that sounds like you're reacting to a bit
[11:17] <xevious> throw that in when it starts to really blur
[11:18] <xevious> boooo progress bar
[11:18] <xevious> it cruised to 4.2% and is sitting ther
[11:18] <xevious> s/ther/there
[11:18] <xevious> methinks pass 1 has several phases, one of which is quick and only comprises 4.2% of pass 1
[11:19] <waylandbill> yeah. with smaller drives I usually see it go to 24% and sit a tad and then continue on
[11:19] <ayatoller> Oki I did the sudo apt-get build-dep asterisk... Running make menuselect It still complains about missing ncurses. running sudo apt-get install ncurses I get nocandidate version avail
[11:20] <ayatoller> Doing it all on ubuntu server version 8.04 hardy
[11:20] <ayatoller> Is there a glitch in the repositoies?
[11:21] <ayatoller> I have done dist-upgrade so box is all updated
[11:21] <xevious> i really wish i had known more about online capacity expansion-friendly filesystems before starting this array
[11:21] <xevious> ayatoller: you need the ncurses development package from apt
[11:22] <xevious> try apt-get install libncurses-dev
[11:22] <xevious> or apt-get install ncurses-dev
[11:22] <waylandbill> ayatoller: did the build-dep pull in any version of ncurses? Are you building asterisk from the source repo or project website?
[11:22] <xevious> or apt-get install ncurses-dev libncurses-dev just to be safe
[11:23] <ayatoller> yup but  libncurses5-dev is already the newest version.
[11:23] <ayatoller> building asterisk from src
[11:24] <waylandbill> ayatoller: yeah.. the source deb from the repos or the source tarball from the author's website?
[11:24] <xevious> holy moly. just looked at my fileserver and it's jumped to being stalled at 13.4%
[11:24] <waylandbill> ayatoller: did you do a ./configure after getting the dependencies (assuming it requires that)
[11:24] <ayatoller> I dont use source deb I have download tar files from asterisk.org
[11:25] <ayatoller> hmm maybe .configure agagin now 2 sec will try
[11:26] <ayatoller> did make clean; ./configure ; make menuselect and get error : * Install ncurses to use the menu interface! *
[11:26] <ayatoller> So back to square one again
[11:27] <waylandbill> ayatoller: you may need to tell configure where to find the ncurses development files. Debian packaging may require different locations than the asterick source expects.
[11:27] <ayatoller> hmm yeah could be true
[11:29] <ayatoller> Oki so if I use the source that came from repository... hmm yeah will try that instead of giving up on ubuntu  and replacing with centos :-)
[11:30] <ayatoller> waylandbill:  Do you know the swith to give for path to source?
[11:34] <waylandbill> ayatoller: is there a reason you need to build the source?
[11:35] <waylandbill> ayatoller: if you do ./configure --help I think it should give all the switches.
[11:35] <ayatoller> cool --help
[11:36] <ayatoller> waylandbill:  cool it had the --with-ncurses=PATH option will try that now thx man
[11:37] <ayatoller> waylandbill:  how to find path to ncurses easiest?
[11:38] <ayatoller> waylandbill:  is it just /usr/lib/ ??
[11:38] <makdaknife> waylandbill: which ncurses
[11:39] <makdaknife> or I guess if that doesn't work, you could do: updatedb; locate ncurses
[11:39] <makdaknife> sorry... that was for ayatoller
[11:39] <waylandbill> I figured. :)
[11:39] <makdaknife> :-)
[11:40] <makdaknife> daydreaming
[11:40] <waylandbill> better than nightmaring.
[11:40] <ayatoller> weird if I just do ./configure it says checking for curses.h... (cached) yes
[11:46] <cbr> where are kubuntu intrepid's kde configs now? in .kde or .kde4?
[11:49] <ayatoller> Oki i solved the problem. I had to install libncurses4 instead of the default ncurses5 of hardy. Seems asterisk packages doesnt like the new ncurses.... Thx guys
[11:57] <starenka> hi, will II have kde4, kde3 or both?
[12:01] <bazhang> starenka, kde4
[12:02] <bazhang> cbr, best to ask in #ubuntu+1 for that
[12:02] <starenka> bazhang: darn... so whats the situation for kids having kde3 and not willing to swollow fancy, crashing kde4?
[12:03] <bazhang> starenka, not sure; you can ask in #ubuntu+1 (as chat for intrepid really belongs there)
[12:04] <xevious> boo
[12:05] <xevious> waylandbill left
[12:05] <xevious> my 1.2tb is done fscking in case anyone's lurking
[12:06] <starenka> bazhang: i will, just wrote the answer before seing yours :))
[12:06] <bazhang> :)
[12:27] <ceco> !help
[12:28] <FB145> hi, i have just installed kubuntu with kde 3.5 and am wishing to upgrade to kde 4.1. i followed the instructions on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1. i rebooted, and the login screen was upgraded to 4.1. however when i logged in, i still had kde 3.5. can someone help please?
[12:28] <ceco> you have both 3.5.9 and 4.1 installed
[12:28] <ceco> at the login screen
[12:29] <ceco> you must choose a session
[12:29] <ceco> and there you choose 4.1
[12:29] <ceco> :]
[12:29] <FB145> oh ok
[12:29] <FB145> brb then :)
[12:29] <vyrgozunqk> :)
[12:30] <Ermenguer> Hi, is there any way to "save" the current session wihtout logging out? so that next time I start I get the same apps open, etc...
[12:33] <max__> list 0 100
[12:34] <denisbr> Where I found a mirror for download the kubuntu using torrent ?
[12:35] <denisbr> I tried here http://espelhos.edugraf.ufsc.br/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/hardy/ but, I can´t found
[12:36] <vyrgozunqk> wait a sec i'll give you link
[12:38] <vyrgozunqk> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/8.04/kubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[12:39] <vyrgozunqk> here;s the kubuntu hardy
[12:39] <vyrgozunqk> :]
[12:39] <vyrgozunqk> ops mistake !
[12:39] <vyrgozunqk> here - http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/8.04/kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso.torrent   -- the desktop edition.
[12:40] <denisbr> vyrgozunqk: it´s possible install the Kubuntu inside the Ubuntu using the packages in the Kubuntu CD ?
[12:40] <vyrgozunqk> yes, or you can use synaptic to download kubuntu-desktop
[12:40] <vyrgozunqk> this will install every kubuntu package ;)
[12:44] <denisbr> vyrgozunqk: ok, I will do the download of kubuntu and burner a CD, later I install the kubuntu in the my ubuntu instalattion
[12:46] <Firebolt145> hi, i have two partitions on my computer. one for windows XP, and one for ubuntu. all my music files are on my windows partition, in 'my documents'. how do play those files in amarok?
[12:48] <Firebolt145> i have found how to access those files, but as my windows partition can only be accessed if i log in as root, i can't play them in amarok
[12:52] <vyrgozunqk> mount them and change fmask and dmask in fstab
[12:52] <vyrgozunqk> to 0
[12:53] <vyrgozunqk> and you'll have read/write support
[12:53] <Firebolt145> in /etc/?
[12:53] <vyrgozunqk> yes /etc/fstab
[12:54] <vyrgozunqk> change the fmask and dmask on your windows partition
[12:54] <vyrgozunqk> :]
[12:55] <Firebolt145> you mean mount my windows partition right?
[12:56] <vyrgozunqk> yes
[12:56] <vyrgozunqk> mount them and add them to /etc/fstab
[12:56] <Firebolt145> add it?
[12:56] <Firebolt145> hmm
[12:57] <vyrgozunqk> if it is'nt there already
[12:57] <Firebolt145> what is the mount point
[12:57] <vyrgozunqk> well you can make if you wish someting like /windows/HDA :)
[12:58] <vyrgozunqk> i don't know make a folder and usee it as mountpoint
[12:58] <Firebolt145> ntfs /windows/HDA ntfs defaults 0 0
[12:58] <Firebolt145> would that be right?
[12:58] <Pici> Theres no difference between an empty folder and a mountpoint.
[12:59] <vyrgozunqk> well it should be something like /windows/HDB    ntfs    0 0
[13:00] <vyrgozunqk> ops
[13:01] <vyrgozunqk> ntfs-3g /dev/(your partition like hda1 or sda1) /mnt/(mount point) -o silent,umask=0,locale=en_US.utf8
[13:01] <vyrgozunqk> should be like this
[13:02] <Firebolt145> er
[13:02] <vyrgozunqk> after you've added your windows partition to fstab use the command sudo mount -a
[13:04] <Firebolt145> hmm, says the line i typed into fstab is 'bad'
[13:05] <vyrgozunqk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G
[13:06] <vyrgozunqk> try this then
[13:07] <Firebolt145> ok, thanks
[13:24] <Firebolt145> vyrgozunqk: thanks, works now! :) you just placed them in the wrong order haha
[13:25] <vyrgozunqk> :)
[13:39] <denisbr> exists any interface web for bittorrent ? e.g. I start downloads in the my home using a browser (acessing by http://myhome:PORT by  example)
[13:39] <untiled> denisbr you can use ktorrent
[13:41] <denisbr> untiled: ok, I will look in the google about
[13:42] <untiled> denisbr it is in official kubuntu repository, you can istal it by sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[13:42] <denisbr> untiled: thanks
[13:44] <untiled> denisbr: it is strange, generally ktorrent is intalled by default on kubuntu, are you sure that you don't have it alredy installed?
[13:45] <waylandbill> !resolution
[13:45] <denisbr> untiled: sorry, I´m not using the Kubuntu in the moment, I´m downloading :-)
[13:47] <untiled> denisbr: ok, when you will use it make an alt+f2 to execute command and put ktorrent, it will work ;-)
[13:49] <denisbr> untiled: ok, thanks
[13:59] <Firebolt145> back when i used gentoo for a while, i used deluge. do you guys recommend deluge or ktorrent?
[14:01] <vyrgozunqk> Ktorrent
[14:01] <vyrgozunqk> for sure
[14:01] <vyrgozunqk> :] or you can try transmission
[14:01] <Firebolt145> ok, secondly i use skype and MSN messenger a lot. what do you recommend?
[14:02] <Firebolt145> (i haven't checked if there is a skype for ubuntu, but MSN messenger is more important)
[14:02] <Firebolt145> kopete keeps crashing for me
[14:02] <ghostcube> skype is in medibuntu repos
[14:02] <vyrgozunqk> yes ther is a official port for ubuntu, visit skype.com
[14:02] <ghostcube> a repak
[14:02] <Firebolt145> hm, ok
[14:02] <ghostcube> and u can try pidgin 2.5.0
[14:02] <Firebolt145> what about an MSN messenger client? kopete has just crashed another time
[14:02] <Firebolt145> ok
[14:02] <ghostcube> from getdeb.net for ubuntu
[14:03] <vyrgozunqk> what version of kde do you use ?
[14:03] <Firebolt145> 4.1
[14:03] <vyrgozunqk> i prefer to use 3.5.10 its a hundred times more stabel
[14:03] <vyrgozunqk> stable*
[14:04] <ghostcube> it has kcontrol :)
[14:04] <vyrgozunqk> mhm 3.5.10 also has dolphin ;)
[14:04] <ghostcube> yes butwithout sort by type
[14:04] <ghostcube> :|
[14:04] <ghostcube> damn
[14:04] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[14:05] <vyrgozunqk> i'm not dieing for it ;)
[14:05] <ghostcube> heh but would be nice
[14:05] <vyrgozunqk> well... thats another thing :D
[14:05] <vyrgozunqk> imagine 3.5.10 with plasma :D
[14:05] <ghostcube> i use compiz
[14:05] <vyrgozunqk> pff i can't
[14:05] <vyrgozunqk> :/
[14:06] <ghostcube> why
[14:06] <vyrgozunqk> radeon 9550 :]
[14:06] <ghostcube> works like a charm
[14:06] <ghostcube> :)
[14:06] <vyrgozunqk> and choppy videoplayback
[14:06] <vyrgozunqk> :/
[14:06] <Firebolt145> i have an NVidia 7000M. will that be good enough?
[14:06] <ghostcube> vyrgozunqk: moment pls doing a rip from cf :)
[14:06] <vyrgozunqk> oki
[14:06] <vyrgozunqk> :)
[14:07] <ghostcube> Firebolt145: should work for more help #compiz-fusion if not working correct
[14:07] <vyrgozunqk> yes it works but i can't watch HDTV ;D
 A patch to enable composited Xv output for mplayer RC1: « http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/compiz/2007-July/002494.html ». A patch for mplayer RC2: http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/mplayer/current/SOURCES/mplayer-1.0rc2-compiz.patch?revision=HEAD
[14:07] <vyrgozunqk> and it take's a lot of CPU time
[14:07] <vyrgozunqk> yes but only mplayer
[14:07] <vyrgozunqk> :/
[14:07] <ghostcube> but works
[14:08] <ghostcube> :D
[14:08] <vyrgozunqk> and i really don't like it
[14:08] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[14:08] <ghostcube> smplayer
[14:08] <vyrgozunqk> prefer kaffein
[14:08] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[14:08] <ghostcube> i think 0.9.0 vlc should do this too
[14:08] <vyrgozunqk> yes, but...
[14:08] <vyrgozunqk> :/
[14:08] <ghostcube> ^^
[14:08] <vyrgozunqk> and if i want to play a game i should disable it every time
[14:09] <vyrgozunqk> and so on...
[14:09] <ghostcube> thats easy with fusion-icon so far
[14:09] <ghostcube> :D
[14:09] <vyrgozunqk> i'm lazy
[14:09] <vyrgozunqk> (rofl)
[14:09] <ghostcube> all can be done its tricky i know but i dont like plasma
[14:09] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[14:09] <ghostcube> :D
[14:09] <vyrgozunqk> mhm, plasma still has a tons of bugs
[14:10] <vyrgozunqk> but compiz is not getting a lot behind ;D
[14:10]  * vyrgozunqk Megadeth - symphony of destruction
[14:10] <Firebolt145> err, earlier i meant, is it good enough for plasma
[14:10] <ghostcube> hmm im noticing no bugs here :)
[14:11] <ghostcube> Firebolt145: yeah nvidia probs
[14:11] <ghostcube> but can be fixed
[14:11] <Firebolt145> hmm
[14:11] <ghostcube> seraching the link
[14:12] <vyrgozunqk> well i don't know, even when i'm scrolling with webbrowser a page that has a tons of banners and flash animations, the fps is getting low
[14:12] <vyrgozunqk> :/
[14:12] <vyrgozunqk> i have to change the old truck, but i don't know when i'll do thid ;)
[14:12] <vyrgozunqk> this*
[14:13] <ghostcube> Firebolt145: http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA
[14:14] <vyrgozunqk> ghostcube - windows ?!
[14:14] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[14:14] <logan> !fr
[14:14] <vyrgozunqk> !bg
[14:14] <ghostcube> vyrgozunqk: yep
[14:15] <ghostcube> at work
[14:15] <ghostcube> doing all out of memory here
[14:15] <ghostcube> :D
[14:15] <Firebolt145> ghostcube: unfortunately, i'm also a complete newbie to linux
[14:15] <vyrgozunqk> aah :D
[14:15] <Firebolt145> it's a miracle i was even able to install kubuntu, had to do some weird stuff with my partitions :S
[14:15] <Firebolt145> completely confuzzled me
[14:15] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[14:16] <vyrgozunqk> firebolt145  - good old windoze :D
[14:16] <Firebolt145> vyrgozunqk: :P i'm leaving it on another partition simply for games and stuff
[14:16] <vyrgozunqk> always works for you, whenever you want i or don't ;D
[14:17] <Firebolt145> the whole reason i've installed ubuntu is because i'm starting medschool in a month and i want my games to be more than 2 clicks away
[14:18] <vyrgozunqk> it has the bad habbit to install things, for who you don't know that they even exist or send your information anywhere in the world ;)
[14:18] <ghostcube> Firebolt145: u know most games are running on kubuntu in cedega or native or wine ?
[14:18] <Firebolt145> ghostcube: ah, but those require configuration i absolutely cbf'd to do
[14:18] <vyrgozunqk> ghostcube it's not very true
[14:18] <Firebolt145> ghostcube: and some of the games i play do not work on wine
[14:18] <ghostcube> vyrgozunqk: pssssssssssst
[14:18] <vyrgozunqk> a lots of games has a lot of brobs ;)
[14:18] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[14:18] <Firebolt145> how do i find out what NVidia version i have?
[14:18] <ghostcube> i know i wont to joke him
[14:18] <ghostcube> :|
[14:18] <Firebolt145> vyrgozunqk: exactly
[14:19] <vyrgozunqk> :)
[14:19] <Firebolt145> ghostcube: i used gentoo for about half a year last year
[14:19] <ghostcube> lspvi | grep Vendor
[14:19] <Firebolt145> using my brother's help for almost everything
[14:19] <ghostcube> lspci | grep Vendor
[14:19] <vyrgozunqk> hmm, and you're still a newbie ?!
[14:19] <Firebolt145> yes
[14:19] <Firebolt145> let my bro do everything :P
[14:19] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[14:20] <Firebolt145> ghostcube: tried that in konsole, didn't return anything :S
[14:20] <vyrgozunqk> oh i wish on of those laptops for about 100 $
[14:20] <vyrgozunqk> :/
[14:20] <ghostcube> glxinfo | grep Vendor
[14:20] <mad> How well would kubuntu run on 600MHz and 512MB RAM?
[14:20] <ghostcube> sorry
[14:20] <vyrgozunqk> perfect
[14:20] <vyrgozunqk> :)
[14:20] <ghostcube> would work mad
[14:21] <Firebolt145> wtf
[14:21] <Firebolt145> tried that, ghostcube, returned with nothing again :S
[14:21] <vyrgozunqk> i'm too a newbie to ubuntu, i've used suse till now, but after the last reeinstall i have problems installing it, so i tried kubuntu
[14:21] <vyrgozunqk> :]
[14:21] <ghostcube> is glxinfo working ?
[14:21] <mad> ghostcube: would it still be acceptable though or would it be a pretty slow?
[14:22] <Firebolt145> ghostcube: how do i find out?
[14:22] <ghostcube> mad should work acceptable
[14:22] <mad> ghostcube: ok thanks
[14:22] <ghostcube> Firebolt145: type it in terminal
[14:22] <vyrgozunqk> it'll be acceeptable
[14:22] <Firebolt145> ghostcube: tried that, got a lot of lines of random numbers
[14:22] <ghostcube> scroll up
[14:22] <ghostcube> before these lines are the impotant things
[14:23] <ghostcube> i dont know if VENDOR or GLX Verion
[14:23] <Firebolt145> server glx version string: 14
[14:23] <Firebolt145> *1.4
[14:23] <vyrgozunqk> you should find something like this
[14:23] <vyrgozunqk> penGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[14:23] <vyrgozunqk> OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon 9550 / X1050 Series
[14:23] <vyrgozunqk> OpenGL version string: 2.1.7537 Release
[14:23] <ghostcube> nah the vnidia stuff
[14:23] <ghostcube> glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[14:23] <ghostcube> :)
[14:23] <vyrgozunqk> mhm
[14:24] <Firebolt145> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[14:24] <Firebolt145> server glx version string: 1.4
[14:24] <ghostcube> hmm dpkg -l nvidia-glx*
[14:24] <Firebolt145> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[14:24] <Firebolt145> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7000M / nForce 610M/PCI/SSE2
[14:24] <Firebolt145> OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.12
[14:24] <Firebolt145> OpenGL extensions:
[14:24] <ghostcube> ahh
[14:24] <ghostcube> :D
[14:24] <vyrgozunqk> greets - Lepa brena & Rammstein - preko preko (rock)
[14:24] <logan_> !fr
[14:24]  * ghostcube hates rammstein
[14:25] <Firebolt145> ok, so i have 169.12
[14:25] <Firebolt145> hmmm
[14:25] <ghostcube> yes
[14:25] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[14:25] <vyrgozunqk> ahah
[14:25] <vyrgozunqk> and why that
[14:25] <Tm_T> vyrgozunqk: offtopic
[14:25] <Firebolt145> no idea, installed kubuntu today, it came with it?
[14:25] <vyrgozunqk> oh, ok
[14:25] <ghostcube> i live near the real rammstein
[14:25] <vyrgozunqk> :/
[14:25] <Firebolt145> sooooo
[14:25] <Firebolt145> now for my next question
[14:25] <vyrgozunqk> aaa
[14:25] <ghostcube> and i dont like theire song ein mensch brennt
[14:25] <Firebolt145> how the hell do i upgrade :P
[14:25] <ghostcube> if u know what happened in ther
[14:25] <Tm_T> ghostcube: offtopic =)
[14:25] <ghostcube> Tm_T: i know :)
[14:25] <ghostcube> sorry
[14:25] <Tm_T> (;
[14:26] <Alex135> i have this weird problem
[14:26] <ghostcube> Firebolt145: update what
[14:26] <Firebolt145> my graphics driver
[14:26] <vyrgozunqk> i know
[14:26] <vyrgozunqk> :/
[14:26] <Firebolt145> to 173.14.09
[14:26] <ghostcube> Firebolt145: manually
[14:26] <ghostcube> but better dont so this
[14:26] <ghostcube> *do
[14:26] <Firebolt145> erm, what?
[14:27] <Alex135> i backed up all my data off my previous install, and when i reinstalled kubuntu (reformated and reinstalled) and tried to move my data back, it complained i didn't have enough space, now it thinks all 295GB on my hdd is filled...
[14:27] <ghostcube> instralling nvidia driver manually
[14:27] <Alex135> when it was half way finished copying my files back
[14:27] <Firebolt145> as simple as googling 'nvidia driver 173.14.09 ubuntu'?
[14:27] <ghostcube> nvidia.com
[14:27] <ghostcube> linux drivers
[14:27] <ghostcube> Firebolt145: but dont do this yourself
[14:27] <ghostcube> let youre brother is
[14:28] <ghostcube> if
[14:28] <ghostcube> bbl
[14:31] <came0> ok I installed a new HD (and reinstalled ubuntu) and I'm getting Input/output errors.... escpecially when I play movies (?it seems?).  where do I look for the log file of error messages?  somewhere in /var/log/ I'm guessing?  Also do you think this is a bad hardrive?
[14:32] <came0> the computer keeps freezing up
[14:32] <came0> like ever few hours
[14:32] <came0> and I see input/output errors in my xterm console
[14:33] <vyrgozunqk> hmm see the temps of your hard it could be overheating
[14:34] <Firebolt145> vyrgozunqk: i just apt-get installed kdeplasma-addons and i..er...don't see anything new flash up on me
[14:34] <vyrgozunqk> and you won't
[14:34] <vyrgozunqk> plasma is something like compiz
[14:35] <vyrgozunqk> but implemented in kde, so theres no problems with playback and so on in theory
[14:35] <vyrgozunqk> you have transparency and so on, but yo'll have to eenable them
[14:35] <vyrgozunqk> from kontrol center i think
[14:36] <Firebolt145> kcontrol
[14:36] <Firebolt145> hmmm
[14:37] <Firebolt145> a quick search for plasma or kdeplasma returns with nothing
[14:37] <came0> vyrgozunqk how do I see the temps on my hard drive?
[14:37] <vyrgozunqk> hdtemp
[14:37] <came0> it does seem warm
[14:37] <came0> k brb
[14:38] <vyrgozunqk> i can't halp you with transperancy, i don't have kde 4 :)
[14:38] <vyrgozunqk> sry
[14:38] <Firebolt145> ok, thanks anyway, i'll google
[14:38] <vyrgozunqk> mh
[14:38]  * vyrgozunqk iron maiden - fear of the dark
[14:39] <robin> i want to download free online games
[14:39] <vyrgozunqk> ima li bulgari tuka bre ?
[14:40] <vyrgozunqk> well download them :D
[14:40] <robin> how to download :-D
[14:40] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[14:40] <robin> plz send me links
[14:40] <robin> :)
[14:40] <vyrgozunqk> what kind of games, what games you want ?!
[14:41] <vyrgozunqk> i can't understand you
[14:41] <robin> online games
[14:41] <robin> like world of warcraft
[14:41] <robin> counter strike
[14:41] <vyrgozunqk> aah
[14:42] <vyrgozunqk> well use torrents or something like that and start them with wine
[14:42] <Firebolt145> hahahaha
[14:42] <vyrgozunqk> or you can try wine-doors
[14:42] <came0> robin:  sudo apt-get install WoW counter-strike
[14:42] <came0> =)
[14:42] <vyrgozunqk> trought him you can download WoW and so on
[14:42] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[14:42] <Firebolt145> came0: xD
[14:42] <robin> ok
[14:42] <robin> thanks me try that
[14:42] <robin> apt-get
[14:42] <vyrgozunqk> (rofl)
[14:43] <Firebolt145> robin: how old are you? first time on linux?
[14:43] <Firebolt145> robin: or are you trolling?
[14:43] <robin> no its been 1 year or so
[14:43] <vyrgozunqk> robin, came0 is buzzing you ;D
[14:43] <Firebolt145> uhm, ok
[14:43] <robin> first time installed ubuntu kubuntu
[14:43] <robin> where i am new in irc :-D
[14:43] <robin> i can't see the emotions well also
[14:44] <vyrgozunqk> irc doesn't have emoticons ;)
[14:44] <robin> hehe ok
[14:44] <robin> i send private message to came0
[14:44] <vyrgozunqk> its his way, the simple way ;D
[14:44] <saotome> I broke my sound drivers. Not sure how. The last thing I did was install cheese (video recording app). Can anyone point me in the right direction as to how to get sound back?
[14:45] <pim> do /j alsa
[14:55]  * vyrgozunqk is listening to 01. Balls To The Wall [Amarok]
[14:56] <trust_me> Is there anyone from indonesia ?
[14:57] <vyrgozunqk> nope, east europe...
[14:57] <trust_me> Wow, so that i'm just the only one from indonesia ?
[15:01] <trust_me> Halo
[15:01] <Artful> how do I install flash for konquerer?
[15:02] <Artful> I've downloaded the tar.gz from adobe site, but the install script is looking for moz/netscape/opera
[15:04] <trust_me> Anyone, please tell me the best dal.net server for asia network ?
[15:05] <Dragnslcr> Artful- what's wrong with installing it from the repository?
[15:06] <Artful> trust_me - check pm
[15:07] <came0> my drive is at 40 degrees C
[15:07] <came0> will that make it freeze up
[15:07] <came0> ?
[15:07] <came0> where can I check logs?
[15:07] <Artful> Drasonslcr, which package tho?  the one I downloaded has libflashplayer.so
[15:09] <Firebolt145> where can i find skype for x86? the one on the skype homepage is for i186
[15:09] <Dragnslcr> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[15:09] <Dragnslcr> I believe that's the package you want, Artful
[15:09] <Artful> ty
[15:10] <Firebolt145> where can i find skype for x86? the one on the skype homepage is for i186
[15:14] <came0> I keep getting "input/output" errors an my computer keeps freezeing every couple hours or so.  I've just installed a new HD and reninstalled kubuntu. hddtemp tells me its running at 40 degrees C
[15:14] <came0> any ideas?
[15:14] <came0> bad drive?
[15:15] <came0> Also where can I look for logs files for these types of errors?
[15:16] <trappist> came0: dmesg, or /var/log/messages
[15:16] <Firebolt145> how do i exit an X server?
[15:16] <makdaknife> came0: install smartmontools and check what's happening with your disk
[15:17] <came0> makdaknife ok thanks brb
[15:17] <trappist> Firebolt145: ctrl-alt-backspace, but if you're using like kdm or gdm it'll just restart if you do that
[15:17] <Daisuke_Ido> !pm | trust_me
[15:20] <trust_me> Obuttu: thanks
[15:20]  * came0 freeeeeeze.
[15:21] <trust_me> Ubottu: what's pm ?
[15:21] <trust_me> Ubottu: what's pm ?
[15:22] <came0> trust_me: pm = private message
[15:23] <masteredu> can anyone help me? i have problems with my MSI StarCam Racer Webcam usb version 2.0 in Adobe flash my shockwave version is Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124 i can select the webcam but it dont gives a picture
[15:23] <trust_me> Ubottu: i'm new user. Before here i'm doing chat in dal.net, but recently its hard to enter. I dont know why ?
[15:25] <trust_me> Ubottu: i'm using phone to chat.
[15:26] <came0> hm
[15:26] <bazhang> trust_me, ubottu is a bot not a human
[15:27] <trust_me> bazhang: ups sorry. I'm really confuse now.
[15:28] <bazhang> trust_me, /join #ubuntu-id
[15:28] <bazhang> !id | trust_me
[15:30] <came0> makdaknife the drive seems to pass the smartctl tests...
[15:30] <came0> atleast whatever the default is
[15:31] <makdaknife> came0: then it might not be a problem with the drive
[15:36] <makdaknife> came0: have you fscked the filesystem for the drive?
[15:36] <makdaknife> came0: I prefer to do a lot of these tests using a live cd like Knoppix
[15:36] <came0> no but I will now
[15:37] <came0> thats a good idea, so I know its not a software issue, eh?  I'll downlaod a knoppix image first
[15:42] <masteredu> anyone know sauerbraten? it is so goooood
[15:44] <mcas> masteredu: *gg*
[15:45] <Elda> How do I I am curious :s  How does one go about unmounting a drive, so that they can remount it?
[15:47] <mshafivk> im not able to play mp3 files in kubuntu help me
[15:47] <Elda> Have you tried downloading the codecs from the repository?
[15:48] <Elda> (dont remember what the codec pack is called though >.<)
[15:49] <mshafivk> yes...but I got "BREAK INSTALL" problem..i think due to the package conflicts
[15:49] <bazhang> kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:49] <bazhang> !codecs
[15:49] <Elda> !mount
[15:49] <Elda> Meh... any idea on how I would unmount one though?
[15:50] <Elda> !fstab
[15:50] <Elda> !diskmounter
[15:52] <u9> When I update the system, how can I change the server ? I want the fastest one, because the download speed is too slow!! Anyone can help me?
[15:57] <manare> u9: You mean setting up a your location one?
[15:58] <manare> u9: Adept->Manage Repository-> Download from:
[15:59] <pim> !automounting
[15:59] <pim> !automount
[15:59] <pim> !ntfs
[15:59] <waylandbill> I have a desktop CD. Is there a way to set it to boot just to a single user shell?
[16:00] <pim> where can i find info on how to edit my fstab to automount partitions
[16:01] <manare> ma fstab
[16:01] <manare> man fstab
[16:01] <jussi01> !fstab
[16:02] <pim> thanks that is what I was looking ofr
[16:02] <pim> for
[16:03] <denis_> !de
[16:05] <Elda> unmount seems to not work for me :/
[16:07] <pim> Elda use umount
[16:08] <Elda> :|  Says device is busy
[16:08] <pim> it means it is busy
[16:08] <pim> have you got a window open?
[16:08] <Elda> I *cant* access it
[16:08] <Elda> nope
[16:08] <pim> I suggest you reboot actually
[16:08] <Elda> Meh ILl just save the file Im working on elsewhere for now and try remounting when I reboot
[16:09] <Elda> in class atm so Im writing notes :s
[16:09] <pim> ah :p
[16:09] <waylandbill> I assumed thats what Elda meant. Do you have a konsole maybe sitting in the device's mountpoint?
[16:09] <waylandbill> or some other task that used it and remained open
[16:10] <manare> use fuser to find you use the device
[16:10] <pim> how would I mount an ntfs partition in my /etc/fstab, with writing permission?
[16:11] <manare> Elda: es fuser -m /mnt
[16:11] <waylandbill> !NTFS-3g
[16:12] <pim> right that is what I needed
[16:19] <u9> manare: Thank u, but Im a new usr of ubuntu, i cannot find Adept, is it on the top?
[16:19] <manare> first entry in the menu
[16:20] <manare> u9: which manager are you use?
[16:24] <fujisan> what is the meta button in kubuntu?
[16:27] <waylandbill> fujisan: alt is the main meta key and the 'win' key is the second.
[16:28] <fujisan> i tried alt doesnt work for me
[16:28] <fujisan> and windows neither
[16:28] <waylandbill> look in System Settings->Keyboard->Keyboard Shortcuts->Modifier Keys for the mappings
[16:28] <manare> windows allways doesn't work :D
[16:29] <fujisan> nvm its windows
[16:29] <fujisan>  thanks
[16:29] <fujisan> windows key
[16:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> How come ark doesn't finish zipping my files?
[16:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> it just closes down
[16:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> doesn't compress anything
[16:30] <u9> manare: thank u very much
[16:30] <pim> maybe you should try running it from a command line
[16:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> don't know how
[16:31] <pim> type ark
[16:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> does nothing
[16:33] <pim> it does
[16:33] <Sixofour|Sleep> it didn't
[16:33] <pim> you should type it into a konsole
[16:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> i did, it did nothing
[16:34] <pim> try sudo apt-get install ark
[16:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> i have it
[16:35] <waylandbill> define nothing. did it just give you another prompt? did it say command not found? Did it open an ark window?
[16:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> it did nothing, i hit enter, nothing happens
[16:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> konsole just sits there with no prompt
[16:35] <pim> it should open a small window with ark
[16:35] <fujisan> i love zoom i am laying on bed with keyboard
[16:35] <fujisan> D:
[16:35] <pim> then it opens ark allright
[16:35] <Sixofour|Sleep> ark isn'topened
[16:36] <fujisan> i am lazy and dutch, just like pimmetje D"
[16:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> says ksysguard
[16:36] <fujisan> PIM!! D=
[16:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> can i compress this file in konsole?
[16:36] <pim> yeah you can
[16:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> even if ark did open, it would just quick in the middle of compression
[16:36] <waylandbill> zip archive.zip [files list]
[16:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> quit*
[16:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> crono@Nekron:~/backup$ zip mslctqsorted.zip mslctqsorted
[16:38] <Sixofour|Sleep>   adding: mslctqsorted/ (stored 0%)
[16:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats it
[16:40] <aitor> hola
[16:40] <waylandbill> Sixofour|Sleep: zip -r mslctqsorted.zip mslctqsorted
[16:41] <waylandbill> you need to tell it to recurse the folder. you can see the other switches zip supports with 'man zip'
[16:41] <aitor> castellano?
[16:41] <waylandbill> !es
[16:42] <aitor> ok
[16:46] <Finger> Morning all
[16:46] <waylandbill> Finger: morning for a few more minutes here. howdy.
[16:46] <Finger> could someone tell me the command to get Konq in an admin setting to copy/rename files etc?
[16:46] <Finger> KDE 4 is kickin my ass
[16:47] <Finger> I think it was something like ksuedo konqueror
[16:47] <HailandKill> I'm getting these http://rafb.net/p/ZbUTMn82.html errors when applying these patches http://snipurl.com/3l0nv presumably those files to exist on my kubunutu system, but I have pulseaudio installed?
[16:48] <waylandbill> kdesu konqueror
[16:48] <Finger> command not found
[16:49] <waylandbill> Finger: that's how it worked for me, but using kde3
[16:49] <Finger> I'm trying to installa theme into FF3, in Windows and in KDE3 I could just drag the jar into the theme section and install it that way but for some reason it wont let me in KDE4
[16:50] <waylandbill> maybe #kubuntu-kde4 would be a place to start.
[16:50] <Finger> so I'm assuming its some kind of admin situation
[16:51] <waylandbill> Finger: usually FF3 stores themes under the current user. You shouldn't need admin privies.
[16:51] <Finger> I copied the file from my storage drive to my home folder
[16:51] <Finger> I"m a new user to Linux so I might need more details on what you explain
[16:52] <u9> remote system can be connected via 'ssh', then how can i download the file from it
[16:52] <waylandbill> u9: scp
[16:52] <u9> ﻿waylandbill: thx:) i'll try
[16:52] <waylandbill> Finger: you copied it to your folder. In FF3 you then tell it to install a theme and navigate to your home folder to find it.
[16:53] <Finger> thats the problem its not giving me any option to nav to it or drag it into the theme portion like it did in KDE3 and Windows
[16:53] <waylandbill> u9: also konqueror supports sftp:// protocol for a more GUI way to do it.
[16:54] <Finger> I click on the Theme tab and it has the default theme there but the "Use Theme" and "uninstall" buttons are greyed out
[16:55] <waylandbill> Finger: yeah, there doesn't seem to be a link to click like there was in FF2 to install from local filesystem.
[16:55] <waylandbill> shows how often I've used that functionality. :-D
[16:57] <Finger> well I could just drag down the jar into the box and it installed it
[16:57] <Finger> but it wotn let me now
[16:57] <Finger> in KDE4
[16:57] <waylandbill> Finger: it may be that the drag/drop from KDE4 isn't giving FF3 what it expects. I don't know. The folks in #kubuntu-kde4 would be the ones to ask.
[16:58] <Finger> no one is answering in there
[16:58] <Finger> already tried
[16:58] <starenka> hi. what's the bash command for displaying certain column from input? thanx
[16:58] <waylandbill> they tend to be busy in there. when they get a change I'm sure they'll answer.
[16:58] <Finger> room is quiet
[16:59] <waylandbill> I meant busy doing other things.
[16:59] <Finger> would also appear that my sound isnt wanting to work in KDE4
[17:00] <waylandbill> kde4 is a work in progress. no doubt about that.
[17:00] <pim> yeah
[17:00] <pim> I'd stick to kde 3
[17:01] <starenka>  hi. what's the bash command for displaying certain column from input? thanx </rude repost>
[17:02] <Finger> been messing with this stuff for a week, havent even had the chance to really get to enjoy Linux yet, just been one problem after another
[17:02] <pim> heh what's your current problem?
[17:03] <Finger> nm sound is working, damn this X-Fi
[17:04] <waylandbill> Finger: if your first chance to enjoy Linux is kde4, then you need to have a different idea of fun is all. :)
[17:04] <Finger> well X-fi has been one of the biggest obstcles
[17:05] <Finger> I dont mind a challenge, dont get me wrong, but it gets a bit frustrating having to deal with so many hardware problems that have little or no available info
[17:05] <waylandbill> cutting-edge comes with issues... bleeding-edge is probably a better adjective
[17:05] <Finger> software is much easier to get around
[17:05] <Finger> cant get around hardware very easily
[17:06] <Finger> and I found Flash 10 installer yesterday but now I'll be damned if I can find it again
[17:06] <Finger> and every tutorial I've found has old links in it so they wdont work
[17:07] <waylandbill> I tend to stick to a little more stable. somewhere between debian stable and debian sid is good. :)
[17:08] <Finger> see, you might as well have spoken hindi to me right there lol
[17:09] <waylandbill> debian is the distribution that ubuntu forked from. It's stable is really stable but packages are older because of it. Sid (the neighbor kid from toy story) is a bit more... unstable.
[17:10] <Finger> Well do you know of a way to get flash 10 installed within Kubuntu?
[17:10] <Finger> cuz I cant find the link I used yesterday
[17:13] <wiehan> Any experts on cwiid and using a wiimote as a mouse in here?
[17:19] <came0> I have ubuntu studio installed now and I want to replace it with kubuntu.. how can I install over top of it and not loose my saved files?
[17:21] <wiehan> Just install it, USE advanced partioning at install (opt not to format your /home partition) and afterwarde delete all the ubuntu studio debris in your /home folder.
[17:21] <wiehan> I think that would work?
[17:23] <pim> came0 you can install the kubuntu files and choose the session you want when you boot
[17:23] <wiehan> or just do that ;-)
[17:23] <stoned> how do I check my ident reply in localhost
[17:23] <wiehan> sudo apt-get install KDE
[17:23] <stoned> not on irc
[17:25] <pim> wiehan open a console and type sudo apt-get install kde
[17:25] <wiehan> yeah i know
[17:35] <aaroncampbell> How would I go about syncing my clock?  It's off and I can't remember how it's done
[17:36] <Tm_T> !ntp
[17:36] <Tm_T> aaroncampbell: see ^^
[17:36] <aaroncampbell> Thanks Tm_T
[17:41] <timz> sometimes when i klick at a user in kopete, the x-server restarts-.-, but the last time it changed the display-settings to 640x480 and i can not recover it
[17:44] <romunov__> timz: my advice would be to use an alternative client
[17:45] <romunov__> my bro has problems connecting to msn protocol with kopete, while others clients have no problems
[17:45] <timz> romunov__: but how can i get back to 1680*1*** because now its 640*480
[17:46] <romunov__> can you navigate through the menus?
[17:46] <romunov__> start -> system settings
[17:48] <timz> romunov__: no, can't move the slider
[17:51] <_Angelus_> hello guys
[17:51] <_Angelus_> does kubuntu offer xorgcfg anymore ?
[17:51] <_Angelus_> or no?
[18:01] <dr17> hello
[18:02] <dr17> if I add a second, PCI graphics card to my nvidia system should it work?
[18:06] <Firebolt145> hi, what do i need to install to view flash files on firefox?
[18:07] <waylandbill> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[18:10] <basy> Hi is it possible to have 2 different keyboard layouts on 2 USB keyboards? Example: English=1. keyboard, Czech second USB keyboard??? Any ideas?
[18:12] <d9d9> not sure why people use "sudo" for every command. sudo bash - and got root console.
[18:13] <sebastian_> when i try to extract a dvd movie that has splittet archives why doesent it extract it all? it only extracts like 30 mb
[18:13] <logan> !fr
[18:16] <knusperfrosch> hi!
[18:17] <knusperfrosch> anyone running a dualscreen(xinerama) setup with 8.04 and 3.5.10? firefox draws the url-box, the search-autocomplete-box and context menus always on the first screen
[18:22] <waylandbill> d9d9: isn't that basically like asking konsole to open a 'Root Shell' ?
[18:24] <logansan01> !fr
[18:24] <nestor> aaaa
[18:38] <DarkriftX> if i need to install some operating systems to play with (win server 2003/2008 and redhat with apache/plesk) what would be the best vmware type program to use?
[18:39] <fritz> hi all
[18:39] <fritz> should i set the Bridge script on my Kubuntu Host or on Virtual XP Geust?
[18:40] <Daisuke_Ido> DarkriftX: easily virtualbox, but if you need usb passthrough, go with the version available from their site for ubuntu, as the OSE doesn't do usb
[18:40] <DarkriftX> i probably wont need that
[18:41] <DarkriftX> i need to brush up on servers in windows and plesk in linux
[18:41] <Daisuke_Ido> shouldn't be a problem them
[18:41] <Daisuke_Ido> then*
[18:41] <DarkriftX> will mostly be using it to remember how to setup dns servers and stuff
[18:41] <Daisuke_Ido> virtualbox-ose is a good package :)
[18:41] <DarkriftX> cool
[18:42] <DarkriftX> !exim
[18:42] <DarkriftX> !package exim4
[18:44] <Daisuke_Ido> !info exim
[18:44] <fritz> anybody may offer any URL for bridgin ip's between ubuntu host and xp virtual?
[18:44] <Daisuke_Ido> fritz: with what vm software?
[18:44] <DarkriftX> !info exim4
[18:44] <DarkriftX> odd
[18:44] <DarkriftX> wonder why that is forcing me to install it
[18:44] <DarkriftX> apt wouldnt work without that installing
[19:06] <byteme_> hi all
[19:06] <byteme_> I have a customer in my store that had her laptop upgraded from Vista to Kubuntu 8.04
[19:07] <byteme_> she is buying a Lexmark printer L1300 from me as well, but I'm having problems getting the printer to print
[19:08] <Xk2c> in kdm shortcuts like "ALT+s" doesn't work with hardy
[19:08] <byteme_> I plugged the printer to the laptop and and it was configured automaticlty *sweet* but it says "Error while printing"
[19:08] <byteme_> what can I do?
[19:09] <DarkriftX> anyone here ever used shell commander?
[19:09] <Xk2c> i just found out that one has to alter 'FocusPasswd' in '/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc' to 'false'
[19:10] <logansan01> !fr
[19:10] <byteme_> anyone
[19:10] <Xk2c> to make those shortcuts work
[19:10] <Xk2c> is that kown?
[19:10] <Xk2c> or is that a bug?
[19:11] <frank23> byteme_: lexmark doesn't have the best linux support. not sure about that model but check here
[19:11] <frank23> byteme_: http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Lexmark
[19:12] <byteme_> great thanks
[19:12] <dr17> does anyone here run multiple monitors on kubuntu?
[19:13] <Daisuke_Ido> selling her a lexmark is a bad move
[19:14] <frank23> byteme_: HP would probably be better
[19:15] <Daisuke_Ido> *anything* would be better
[19:15] <starenka> hullo. i got problem running script with parameters via kcron. any suggestions? i use (program input): "/home/starenka/.scripts/cleaner.py /backups/db 3"
[19:16] <byteme_> for sure
[19:16] <byteme_> but I have lexmark and canon instock
[19:16] <byteme_> would the canon be better?
[19:17] <Daisuke_Ido> depends on the model
[19:18] <byteme_> ahh
[19:18] <Daisuke_Ido> what canon do you have in stock?
[19:20] <mefisto__> starenka: what's the problem? does that input open any X windows?
[19:20] <mefisto__> starenka: or rather, is it meant to open any X windows and doesn't work?
[19:21] <starenka> mefisto__: well, any sheduled job can be run via right click in kcron
[19:22] <starenka> mefisto__: if i make this one (runs a py script with params), it doesnt allow me to run in via right click - so i suppose it wont run it in cron either
[19:23] <mefisto__> starenka: but what does the script do?
[19:25] <Dragnslcr> starenka- is cleaner.py executable, and does it have #!/usr/bin/python at the top?
[19:25] <starenka> mefisto__: deletes old backups in given dirs, leaving some count of dirs given in param
[19:25] <starenka> mefisto__: it does...
[19:26] <starenka> mefisto__: http://pastebin.com/m7f14052f
[19:26] <nejode> DarkriftX: Midnight Commander?  ... like Norton Commander?
[19:26] <starenka> mefisto__: my problem is that when i try to make kcron run it with params (in console it works like a charm)
[19:27] <nejode> DarkriftX: like Norton Comander?
[19:28] <Dragnslcr> starenka- did you try running it from a shell?
[19:28] <starenka> yes
[19:29] <starenka> Dragnslcr: i wont schedule scripts i havent tested :)))
[19:29] <Dragnslcr> Bleh, what's the output function in Python? Is it sys.print?
[19:29] <starenka> print
[19:33] <Dragnslcr> starenka- it runs fine for me from a shell, so I don't know why it wouldn't work as a cron job
[19:33] <Dragnslcr> Are you running it as yourself, or as root?
[19:33] <starenka> Dragnslcr: yes, it runs okay.. BUT if i put it into kcron, i can't run it via right click
[19:34] <starenka> Dragnslcr: as myself.. why root?
[19:34] <Dragnslcr> I dunno, just checking
[19:34] <mefisto__> starenka: did you remember to click the save button in kcron after adding the task?
[19:34] <Dragnslcr> I know I've had environment issues with cron jobs running as root
[19:36] <starenka> Dragnslcr: other py and shell scripts run fine
[19:37] <starenka> Dragnslcr: see? http://crap.starenka.net/kcron.png
[19:37] <starenka> Dragnslcr: there's now "run now" option, but it is on other scripts... that's my problem
[19:38] <Dragnslcr> The option is there for me. Of course, clicking it doesn't do anything
[19:39] <Dragnslcr> starenka- that's bizarre
[19:40] <starenka> Dragnslcr: yes, i need to run the script on multiple dirs with different options, so that's why i use parametres...
[19:41] <starenka> Dragnslcr: fooook. i just removed "" and it works... sometimes i think more than i should
[19:41] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[19:41] <Guest53600> hello all people
[19:41] <Dragnslcr> I didn't even really notice the quotation marks
[19:43] <babu> hi all
[19:44] <Guest53600> hi babu
[19:44] <starenka> Dragnslcr: hehe
[19:44] <masteredu> what is a good capture tool??
[19:44] <masteredu> with very high quality
[19:44] <starenka> !krecordmydesktop
[19:44] <babu_> hi guest
[19:45] <starenka> masteredu: krecordmydesktop - hiress oggs -> vimeo -> de puta madre
[19:45] <babu_> try mythtv
[19:45] <Guest53600> babu do you have experience en this chat ?
[19:45] <babu_> no, am using this for the first time, though i have used it with windows irc clients
[19:46] <Guest53600> ok babu
[19:46] <babu_> are u using kubuntu?
[19:46] <masteredu> i?
[19:46] <Guest53600> no i use ubuntu
[19:46] <masteredu> anyone know sauerbraten?
[19:47] <babu_> no master
[19:47] <masteredu> LOL
[19:47] <masteredu> it is crysis for linux
[19:47] <masteredu> xD
[19:47] <starenka> masteredu: this one was grabbed with krecodmydesktop http://www.vimeo.com/1400538 (try fulscreen)
[19:47] <Guest53600> no master I don't know
[19:47] <masteredu> i mean it have very high quality
[19:47] <babu_> am a newb
[19:47] <masteredu> www.sauerbraten.org
[19:47] <Daisuke_Ido> !info sauerbraten
[19:47] <babu_> high quality what?
[19:47] <masteredu> a high quality game
[19:47] <masteredu> very good graphic
[19:48] <babu_> ok, game. i m not a gamer
[19:48] <Guest53600> any people know programing here?
[19:48] <babu_> wht progrmin?
[19:48] <masteredu> http://sauerbraten.sourceforge.net/newer/screenshot_377941.jpg
[19:48] <masteredu> this is a picture
[19:48] <Guest53600> in phyton
[19:49] <starenka> Guest53600: a bit.. what do you need?
[19:49] <babu_> no guest
[19:49] <babu_> is that game, master?
[19:49] <Dragnslcr> Guest53600- you'd be better off asking in a programming channel
[19:49] <babu_> is it compatible for ubuntu?
[19:49] <masteredu> jeah
[19:49] <masteredu> it is compatible
[19:49] <Dragnslcr> Guest53600- #python would be my first guess
[19:49] <masteredu> search in adept
[19:49] <masteredu> sauerbraten
[19:49] <babu_> whats the name?
[19:49] <Guest53600> starenka do you programing in phyton?
[19:49] <masteredu> sauerbraten
[19:50] <masteredu> it is very good
[19:50] <masteredu> and free
[19:50] <babu_> shootig game?
[19:50] <masteredu> jeah
[19:50] <masteredu> like unreal
[19:50] <babu_> cool, whts the size
[19:50] <masteredu> size?
[19:50] <masteredu> what you mean ?
[19:50] <babu_> file size
[19:50] <masteredu> oh
[19:50] <babu_> sorry
[19:50] <masteredu> ca 300 mb
[19:50] <masteredu> i think
[19:51] <masteredu> 301 MB
[19:51] <babu_> oh, then i will check later, mine is a capped service
[19:51] <masteredu> ?
[19:51] <masteredu> you can download it with adept fast and easy :P
[19:52] <babu_> k, but i have limited download for a month
[19:52] <babu_> but morning 2-9 it's unlimited
[19:52] <babu_> so i will download it for that time
[19:53] <babu_> ok bye master..
[19:53] <masteredu> have a good day
[20:02] <fernando__> ok
[20:02] <fernando__> thansk starenka
[20:02] <fernando__> thanks
[20:03] <fernando__> ok bye
[20:04] <fernando__> take care
[20:15] <hannes__> hallo
[20:15] <hannes__> was geht freunde
[20:17] <usuario> HOLA
[20:19] <Niksoni> Hello,how can i upgrade a package to KDE 4 in Kubuntu with KDE 3?
[20:20] <jussi01> !kde4
[20:20] <Niksoni> Thanks
[20:22] <masteredu> das is der englische channel man
[20:23] <Niksoni> What?
[20:24] <ubuntu> Hi. I tried to install gutsy, hardy and intrepid, but each one doesn't correctly find my existing partition table. When I select manual partitioning, it only offers an option to create a new partition table in /dev/sda. Here's my fdisk: http://dpaste.com/74787/
[20:24] <ubuntu> Any ideas?
[20:39] <jhutchins_wk> Is that something the alternate installer will allow?
[20:46] <_2> why would this act as if i had no kernel installed ?   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3289e290
[20:46] <_2> or does that package only work with the i386 kernel ?
[20:58] <_2> anyone know how to get dpkg to list full package names rather than the block format it normally displays with -l  ?
[21:00] <_2> 'scuse me, column format
[21:00] <Alex135> *sigh* try number 2 at getting kubuntu setup correctly
[21:01] <_2> Alex135 correctly ?
[21:01] <kerstin> hi
[21:02] <kerstin> kennt sich hier jmd en bissel msi-notebooks aus?
[21:02] <Alex135> _2: ya, first time for some reason the 8.04.1 disk (ubuntu based) didn't reformat my hdd correctly so the data from the previous install was there, but it wasn't... sorta a strange setup
[21:02] <steveire> !de
[21:02] <kerstin> gibts da nen besonderen kniff um die zu öffnen um en ram zu erweitern?
[21:02] <Alex135> _2: the result was a multi crosslinked filesystem that was completly corupted
[21:02] <Alex135> _2: nothing worked
[21:03] <kerstin> weil ich seh nur 3 schrauben auf der rückseite die relevant sind und des geht trotzdem net auf
[21:03] <Alex135> _2: and all my hdd space was used up
[21:03] <steveire> kerstin: !de
[21:03] <kerstin> oh
[21:03] <steveire> #kubuntu-de
[21:03] <kerstin> sry
[21:03] <steveire> no problem
[21:03] <_2> Alex135 have you had a look at the gparted live cd   ?
[21:03] <kerstin> i forgott to save the changes
[21:03] <Alex135> _2: i did
[21:03] <_2> did it help ?
[21:04] <Alex135> _2: ya, i did that just now... i tried to reformat useing the installer yesterday... it didn't work out too good
[21:05] <Dragonath> why isn't smplayer making any sound? :(
[21:05] <_2> Dragonath output to wrong device ?
[21:05] <Alex135> _2: i then tried to mount it on the live cd, and it showed only 32gb of stuff on the disk
[21:05] <Alex135> _2: and gparted said all 315GB were full on the hdd
[21:06] <Alex135> _2: so i cleard it out and am trying again... i hope it works this time
[21:06] <Dragonath> _2: ahh yes thanks now it works
[21:06] <_2> Alex135 are you attempting to shrink an ntfs fs ?
[21:06] <Alex135> _2: no, ext3
[21:07] <Mad_Scientist> Hi, I currently am trying to install a wireless card on a computer with out internet access but the steps require some packages to be installed is there a places I can download the mirrored packages and what tool should I use to install them?
[21:07] <_2> !packages | Mad_Scientist
[21:07] <Alex135> _2: kubuntu is on its own hdd
[21:08] <_2> Alex135 what stage of the install are you at now ?
[21:08] <Alex135> _2: its doing the actual install now
[21:08] <Alex135> _2: i dont need help, im fine
[21:08] <Alex135> _2: im just saying what hapened
[21:08] <Mad_Scientist> _2:  ok then do I then use apt-get to install the packages or another tool like rpm?
[21:09] <_2> ok.   if it fails for any reason give a yelp.
[21:09] <_2> Mad_Scientist dpkg -i
[21:09] <Mad_Scientist> kk thanks
[21:09] <_2> np
[21:09] <Alex135> _2: hehe ok
[21:10] <Alex135> oh another thing i like about the 8.04.1 cd is that i no longer need the nolapic option for it to boot! :D the developers finally fixed the probs for the motherboards that dont like linux (like my Asus Crosshair_
[21:11] <djg9282> hi guys...i been trying to help a friend set up his computer to linux from windows. He has a Asus M2V motherboard that seems to be giving him trouble with freezing at random times. Anyone familiar with this bug or has anyone had success with getting this taken care of some other way?
[21:12] <_2> djg9282 meat Alex135 ... Alex135 see djg9282
[21:12] <Alex135> djg9282: Asus motherboards dont like linux, try booting with the nolapic option, that made it boot for me and it alwase worked
[21:13] <djg9282> Alex135: it actually boots perfectly...its when doing some work in the operating system that causes problems
[21:13] <_2> option still might apply
[21:13] <djg9282> Alex135: Like when downloading updates, or just last night, working in firefox and downloading a pdf document for open office
[21:13] <Alex135> djg9282: i had a similer thing happen to me
[21:14] <djg9282> Alex135: do you think updating the bios would work?
[21:14] <Alex135> djg9282: are you useing the 8.04.1 disk?
[21:14] <djg9282> Alex135: Yes
[21:14] <Alex135> djg9282: k, i am having many problems with that disk atm too
[21:14] <Alex135> djg9282: try reinstalling with the 8.04 disk
[21:15] <djg9282> Alex135: Any luck with updating the bios. or you haven't tried that?
[21:15] <Alex135> djg9282: not sure, i dont have that exact model, i just am saying from my past experiance with Asus motherboads
[21:15] <Alex135> boards*
[21:15] <Alex135> anyway you know what i mean
[21:16] <Alex135> djg9282: bios updates im hesitant to do
[21:16] <djg9282> Alex135: right. what exactly is the nolapic option? and how can i initiate it?
[21:16] <Alex135> !nolapic
[21:16] <Alex135> !noapic
[21:16] <Alex135> !apic
[21:16] <Alex135> argh
[21:16] <LjL> !botabuse
[21:16] <Alex135> !pic
[21:16] <Alex135> dang... it had it on here a bit ago
[21:16] <_2> mothah boads    we know.
[21:17] <djg9282> what the joke is..is this motherboard
[21:17] <Alex135> djg9282: im not exactly sure what it does, but somehow it makes it work (turns of some kind of cerror checking on duel core processors)
[21:17] <Alex135> but it may work with you anyway
[21:17] <djg9282> well anywhere i can read up on how to start that option?
[21:18] <Alex135> 1 sec
[21:18] <djg9282> k
[21:19] <Alex135> djg9282: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/blog/radiodee1/2008-08-03/New_Computer_Changing_Grub_with_noapic_nolapic
[21:19] <djg9282> awesome
[21:19] <Alex135> if that doesn't work, try the bios update
[21:19] <djg9282> thanks Alex135...hopefully this will solve the wonderful freezing
[21:19] <Alex135> djg9282: remember use the 8.04 and not 8.04.1
[21:20] <Alex135> 8.04.1 is having issues i think
[21:20] <Alex135> (keeps complaining about my hdd and my hdd is just fine)
[21:20] <_2> djg9282 i have seen non-related freezes caused by vidio driver.   if it's ati you might want to make sure you have the "best" driver for your chip
[21:21] <Alex135> thats also true
[21:21] <djg9282> oh...uggg..i just uninstalled 8.04 because we needed 186 updates
[21:21] <djg9282> and it was freezing at like every update
[21:21] <djg9282> does ATI have linux drivers available?
[21:21] <Alex135> yes
[21:21] <Alex135> it does
[21:21] <Alex135> a bit complicated to setup sometimes though
[21:22] <_2> !ati
[21:22] <djg9282> so this loapic will not work on 8.04.1?
[21:22] <_2> test and see
[21:22] <biggulp32oz> especially hard if you have one of the recently unsupported cards like a Radeon 9200
[21:23] <_2> that's one quart's openion    :)
[21:24] <Alex135> djg9282: it might work, but i am not convinced 8.04.1 is setup right, although it may just be me
[21:24] <djg9282> its been a challenge with this friends computer...i been there for the past 5 days
[21:24] <Alex135> but ive tried 3 times to get 8.04.1 to install unsuccessfuly and 8.04 works first time for me
[21:24] <biggulp32oz> ouch
[21:24] <struchnine1024> .
[21:24] <djg9282> i feel like i'm more at work at his house then i am at work period
[21:25] <strychnine1024> .
[21:25] <_2> !alternate
[21:26] <Alex135> yes the alternate CD may work better
[21:26] <djg9282> but the alternate CD will also configure KDE auto...or i would have to do that?
[21:27] <Alex135> if its the kubuntu alternate then it will be KDE automatically
[21:28] <_2> !desktop
[21:30] <Alex135> alright, i reset the disk label on my hdd, now to try again to see if it works.... but im not sure if it will...
[21:31] <djg9282> anyone know the reasons why an alternative CD would support more hardware then a liveCD?
[21:31] <Alex135> more space to put hardware drivers on
[21:31] <Alex135> less work to get it to auto configure in the live cd
[21:31] <djg9282> good enough answer
[21:32] <djg9282> i know everything else works fine
[21:32] <djg9282> DSL connection
[21:32] <djg9282> etc.
[21:32] <djg9282> just the freezing thing is the problem
[21:32] <djg9282> otherwise it would be perfect
[21:33] <_2> might spend a little time searching bug reports to see if others are having the same issue and what the answer might be.
[21:33] <Alex135> well, if my option doesn't work a bios update might do the trick, other then that im not sure... im trying to get my own system working atm and its being a major pain (somehow my hdd is really corupted and i think it might be failing soon... i hope not)
[21:33] <Alex135> i got this hdd like... after christmas... there is no way its failing already
[21:34] <_2> Alex135 anything on it that you have to save ?
[21:34] <Alex135> _2: no, i backed it up onto a multi terrabyte system we have in another part of the house
[21:34] <Alex135> _2: glad i got gigabit ethernet inside my house :D
[21:35] <_2> Alex135 you might blank the disk and then try it.  it will take some time depending on size.    cat /dev/zero > /dev/hdx    where hdx is the actual device
[21:35] <djg9282> well...when i got to this friends house his whole computer was full of dust...i have never seen a computer this bad...there was dust everywhere...on the processor...on the video card...covering the fans...this thing was just caked on
[21:35] <Alex135> _2: if what im running now doesn't work then ill try it, thanks :)
[21:36] <djg9282> microsoft XP was extrememly slowed....so we tried erasing it but linux couldn't get past %5 of the partition..so we found out the hard drive was corrupt
[21:36] <_2> Alex135 i can't explain why. but i have seen that even repair bad sectors that were keeping from partitioning.    some will say that it shouldn't,  but i'm just telling what i have seen.
[21:36] <Alex135> i hope it works... im trying it now
[21:37] <djg9282> Alex135: did you ever get an error when it froze that stated that it couldn't write to disk?
[21:37] <Alex135> got an input output error
[21:37] <Alex135> but i know this disk is fine
[21:38] <djg9282> i got a couldn't write to disk error...and then another error starting that the cause of the problem might be a full hdd...but it was a new hdd...and then we went on asus website and found out that certain SATA HDD weren't fully compatible...so thats why the thought for a bios upgrade
[21:39] <Alex135> thats similer to what im getting...
[21:39] <Alex135> but this worked before
[21:39] <Alex135> hmmmm
[21:39] <Alex135> trying with another disk
[21:40] <djg9282> i don't think its the disk honestly
[21:40] <Alex135> it probably isn't, but this is what worked before
[21:40] <Alex135> im doing it by process of elimination untill i have no choice but to think its the hdd
[21:40] <djg9282> i been consulting with a hardware college professor...we been working together...hes like the windows guy and i'm like the linux guy...and so we been thinking bios upgrade is the key...but i am always open to other options so thats why i came on here
[21:41] <Alex135> try the bios update
[21:41] <Alex135> (it might be my problem aswell... but im not sure)
[21:41] <djg9282> we replaced the HDD because the other one was corrupt...then the freezing started...and then we replaced the processor thinking the processor was the cause because of overheating
[21:42] <Agent_bob> i have a scsi cheetah that the hdd failed according to all reports. couldn't format couldn't fdisk couldn't mount badblocks said it was trash.   ran   cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda on it.  then badblocks again and it showed as flawless.  partitioned and formated without error subsequent badblocks checks showed flawless....   can't explain it.  just know it can happen.    not saying it will help you though.
[21:42] <djg9282> i just know that one the Asus M2V website...it specifically mentions that many of the BIOS updates were to make more "HDD Compatible" in their own words
[21:43] <djg9282> one=on
[21:44] <Agent_bob> one other note.  that was two years ago ^ i'm still using the disk.
[21:45] <Alex135> ya, it says access denied (with sudo even)
[21:45] <Alex135> 1 sec
[21:47] <djg9282> i'll see if i can't get mine to work tonight
[21:47] <djg9282> we'll see what happens
[21:47] <dave_> does anyone has an idea which version of Ubuntu I could run on an old iMac G3?
[21:48] <Agent_bob> dave_ there used to be a ubuntu for mac  install disk  check some mirrors to see if you can find that
[21:48] <dave_> ok, thanks
[21:49] <Agent_bob> i think they dropped that in 7.10 or 7.4  but it should still work for you.
[21:51] <Alex135> i sure hope this part works... im pulling my hair out on this one
[21:52] <Alex135> well, thats nice... it froze up on me
[21:53] <Agent_bob> Alex135 just a thought.  but does that bios support user specified disk pramitors ?    or is it auto-detect only ?
[21:53] <Alex135> not sure, ill need to check
[21:53] <Alex135> never did do much with the bios
[21:53] <Alex135> actually it should support user specified
[21:54] <Alex135> what i dont understand is why its doing this now....
[21:54] <Agent_bob> i have to scram.   good luck with it.
[21:54] <Alex135> alright, thanks
[21:54] <Alex135> ill need it
[21:55] <logan> !fr
[21:58] <Alex135> alright, i might be getting somewhere now... i hope
[22:04] <Alex135> well im not getting the I/O error so far so maybe its working
[22:05] <Alex135> brb
[22:06] <Alex135> back
[22:13] <Glady> how come a SATA could be non compatible
[22:13] <Glady> what could be the problem
[22:13] <Glady> it doesnt make sense
[22:13] <Glady> what is the difference with an ordinary hdd
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> different interface, and different motherboards may handle them differently (some do ide emulation, some don't)
[22:17] <Glady> hope I wont have problems with it
[22:41] <hades_> esta  num bota um caralho
[22:41] <hades_> falta a merda
[22:47] <some_dude> I got some ppl I'm fixing there computer, the boy is a retard, kde or gnome ?
[22:51] <Glady> maybe it was an error to buy a SATA
[22:52] <Glady> and I dont talk like a fillette
[22:53] <mado> hello ... excuse me ... can you guys please help me? -> first problem -> http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4900/fehlerwo7.png
[22:54] <qcontinueum> i resized a vista ultimate partition to make room for kubuntu, it installed just fine... however, grub only seems to flash for about an instant before vista begins booting, does anyone have any idea?
[22:57] <mefisto__> qcontinueum: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep timeout
[22:58] <qcontinueum> mefisto: i can't even boot to linux... it seems to default to vista
[22:59] <qcontinueum> mefisto: which defies what i know about the default settings after an install
[23:00] <mefisto__> qcontinueum: are you on livecd now?
[23:00] <qcontinueum> mefisto: this is a completely different machine... the other is stuck booting to vista
[23:01] <mefisto__> qcontinueum: maybe you could mount the linux partition from livecd and take a look at menu.lst
[23:03] <logansan01> !de
[23:03] <logansan01> !fr
[23:04] <rance> is there a known problem with the new vmware 1.06 and kubuntu?  I just installed it, and the install went fine without errors, but running vmware generates a host of GCC_version# not found errors
[23:12] <ForgeAus> how do I get engage dockbar for kubuntu?
[23:12] <ForgeAus> (the one from Enlightenment that that I think gobuntu uses)
[23:21] <michel__> hi
[23:21] <michel__> i would like to keep my kernel
[23:22] <engineer> explain
[23:22] <michel__> i nedd to block the update vor newer kernels, do i need to block only one packet or all packets
[23:22] <michel__> ?
[23:23] <michel__> i have installed a wlan-driver but with ever kernel-update i need tu reinstall
[23:24] <michel__> but i configure a notebook for a friend without any knowledges with pc's, so i activat auto-update
[23:24] <master_> hi
[23:24] <michel__> now i need to block the update only for the kernel-packets
[23:24] <master_> help me for VDR
[23:36] <Alex135> im thinking i got it :D