=== DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [00:07] good === travis_ is now known as bluesmoke [01:20] * DanaG wonders if nvidia will ever fix the 71 and 96 drivers. [01:21] those are old drivers [01:21] look to the future [01:21] Future? What future... nv? [01:21] nouveau isn't much useful yet. [01:21] the 177 series [01:21] nv looks to be my future :( [01:21] ... on a GeForce4 MX? [01:21] bsnider: and if you have an older card? [01:21] get a newer card [01:22] for a laptop? [01:22] bsnider: replace the old laptop with a newer one, then. [01:22] Yeah, laptop. [01:22] indeed [01:22] I wish they'd, at the very least, open-source the specs for the ones they've desupported. [01:22] DanaG: By "fix", I presume you mean "support xserver 1.5 video driver ABI", yes? [01:22] For example, open-source the FX series and older. [01:22] Yeah, ABI is what I mean. [01:22] heh, aka "recompile" [01:22] They're not unsupported; they're just not supported by the most recent driver :) [01:23] crdlb: Hush! [01:23] they can't open their old drivers, because they're all based on their windows drivers [01:23] So open the specs of the cards. [01:23] My current laptop has a GeForce Go 7600; the next laptop I'll get will have a Mobility Radeon 3650. [01:24] the nouveau devs sayt hey don't need that info [01:24] it would certainly help ... [01:24] Nouveau is currently SLOWER and more CPU-intensive on that old laptop. [01:24] Not so much that they don't _need_ it, more that having actual coders would help. [01:24] what they could do is hire one or two nouveau devs and payt hem to develop that driver full-time [01:24] ... compared to nv. [01:25] Oh yeah, what sets the background of the Gnome unlock dialog? [01:26] Gnome screensaver, I believe. [01:26] It's actually themable; the NewWave one is kinda nice. [01:26] Where's the theme set? [01:26] gconf [01:26] The old laptop was originally "Mint" because I was curious, but I prefer orange-based themes over blue-based themes. [01:27] For those playing at home: /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_theme [01:28] "The startup command cannot be empty" -- argh! [01:29] i don't think ubuntu packages a nouveau driver [01:29] i don't remember seeing it in the xserver-xorg-video list [01:30] We don't. I do. [01:31] that or nv is probablyt he best thing to use for old junk [01:31] yay, (i386) nspluginwrapper is now an official Ubuntu package. [01:31] Too bad Flash stilllll somehow crashes Firefox a lot. [01:32] Maybe. I'm not sure how much the acceleration overhead is paid off by actual acceleration on the older cards [01:32] On my '4-is-really-a-2' card, it's actually sometimes SLOWER than nv. [01:33] Some of that's fairly unavoidable; it might be interesting to know how is nouveau's fault. [01:35] Oh yeah, do your drm-modules use dkms? [01:35] Ugh, bad naming collision... drm. [01:37] Not yet. [01:38] They will at some point, but for now module-assistant isn't sufficiently annoying. [01:38] Is it possible to build it for a kernel before I boot into that kernel? [01:38] I believe so, yes, but never really managed to do it. [01:39] Anyway, I think I'll just end up using nv on the old laptop... too slow with nouveau, and lack of support for resume from suspend. [01:39] There's a patch for that, but I don't apply it. [01:39] Because it probably breaks nv5x, among other things. [01:40] Right. It's one of those "it hurts when I do this.......... so don't do it!" things; I'll just use nv. [01:40] Yeah. [01:49] hi all... does the recently added 2.6.27 kernel have "kernel modesetting" and GEM support? and is the same also true/false of the current intel driver? [01:52] No, no, yes. [01:53] RAOF, thank you... the 2.6.27 tree should have this support though right? so it's just not "turned on" in the ubuntu build yes? [01:54] ryanpg: No, I don't believe so. As far as I'm aware, modesetting & gem are still hanging around in a couple of branches of libdrm git. [01:55] oh... interesting. [01:56] well I'm fully prepared to be underwhelmed once again by the results of the latest "improvements" anyway... but I'm like charlie brown... it doesn't matter how many times that football is pulled away; I'll always assume this time it's for real! [01:57] Well, kernel modesetting probably won't be overwhelming. [01:58] The DRI2 stack should be nice, though. Finally killing many of the compiz bugs! [02:14] i use ubuntu vanilla packages for most things and build a few from svn out of a desire for edge-bloodiness or ancient compatibility [02:14] are any of y'all having issues with autoconf/automake not finding anything it needs? [02:16] i'm getting a lot of errors trying to run an autoconf script along the line of "The usual way to define 'X' is to add 'AC_PROG_X' to 'configure.ac' and run 'aclocal' and 'autoconf' again. If 'AC_PROG_X' is in 'configure.ac', make sure its definition is in aclocal's search path." [02:38] is anybody still having trouble with the nvidia blob? [02:40] i'll bet Theo de Raadt is ... [02:40] *bah dum tish* [02:41] As far as I know, I still am but that's because I'm still on a GF2MX === Pici` is now known as Pici [03:33] if I upgrade to ibex, will all my old hardy repositories be rendered useless? [03:34] what do you mean? [03:34] which repositories do you want from hardy? [03:34] Can I use my hardy apps in ibex? [03:34] which ones? [03:34] any [03:34] is intrepid backwards-compatible? [03:35] the gnome applications that were in hardy have been rebuilt for intrepid [03:35] the gnome applications that were in hardy have been rebuilt for intrepid [03:35] good [03:36] So How do I upgrade? sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [03:36] is there a way to remove the proprietary nvidia driver if installed through the restricted drivers manager? [03:36] RoC_MasterMind: sure [03:37] how? [03:37] it's not like you can just uncheck the box [03:37] in synaptic, it's called nvidia-glx-xxx [03:37] then take it out of the xorg.conf file [03:38] run the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg [03:43] tyg13: see this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=834808 === Lunks is now known as Lunksa === Lunksa is now known as Lunks [03:47] tyg13: you talking about 3rd party repos - not ubuntu.com, right? [03:48] CarlFK: you got the nvidia blob working right? [03:48] bsnider_: yup [03:49] can you pastebin your xorg.conf file? [03:49] is it better to use the restricted drivers manager or the official nvidia installer? [03:49] neither [03:49] ha [03:49] well [03:49] jockey seems to be broken [03:49] I see your point. [03:50] the official nvidia installer complains about xen [03:50] bsnider_: http://dpaste.com/74596/ [03:50] i can describe exactly how i did it if you're interested [03:51] CarlFK: that's strange. mine wouldn't work until i put the vendorname line into the device section. [03:51] if I switch xorg.conf back to the nv driver, do I still need to run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg? [03:51] yes you do [03:52] is 177.68 the 'new' one? I am pretty sure I see "beta driver" on the splash screen [03:52] the way the new xserver works, it doesn't need the xorg file to load its own drivers [03:52] the newest beta is 177.70, but .68 is also a beta [03:54] the new beta was released just today [03:54] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118602 [03:54] nvidia has released 3 betas int he past 7 days [03:54] that's VERY strange for them [03:55] they are doing some strang things :) [03:55] like headless video cards, just so you can use the gpu as a multi cpu parallel thing [03:56] they normally go at least 6 months without releasing any new drivers [03:56] maybe ati's changes made them rethink their position, i dunno [03:57] but all of ati's work over the past 2 years has come to not very much [04:19] <`Matir> Anyone else have weird issues with intel graphics under current Intrepid? [04:22] After the updates I picked up my laptop became totally unusable with intrepid -- what are you getting? [04:36] `Matir: yes i've read some comments along those lines [04:39] <`Matir> bsnider_, ah... I couldn't find any current relevant bug, but I just upgraded today... I need to try doing it with compiz off [04:40] what issues are you having? [04:40] `Matir: i am i am [04:41] when i first dist-upgraded to intrepid last night and restarted it defaulted into what acted like 1280x1024 (the correct monitor resolution) but with a VESA driver [04:41] <`Matir> when I resize/open/close windows, the bottom half of my screen flickers [04:42] <`Matir> and the flickering seems to be a scaled/shifted image of the top half [04:42] after turning on the framebuffer in /boot/grub/menu.lst i was able to set the proper driver using gksudo displayconfig-gtk [04:42] mine is working now on an intel 915 chipset [04:42] i guess thats sort of "old" [04:42] i'm more bummed that automake/autoconf is broken right now [04:42] ToHellWithGA: the nature of the xorg.conf file is totally different now [04:43] run the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg [04:43] if by totally different you mean the default configuration was too dumb to detect my video chipset, i'll agree [04:43] i will not run that [04:43] that clears the file [04:43] that's what needs to happen [04:43] an empty xorg.conf results in my having unaccelerated video [04:44] until the default behavior actually detects and uses my video card i will let displayconfig-gtk set the options in xorg.conf [04:44] well, if it's not detecting the chip then it's not doing what they want [04:44] ToHellWithGA: Your /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the file needed for debugging there. [04:44] is there a way to have an empty xorg.conf *and* use the intel mode switching driver? [04:45] RAOF: i'm not a programmer. do y'all need that file attached to a given bug? [04:45] ToHellWithGA: Just pastebinned would be OK as a first run through. [04:45] i'd gladly submit it to launchpad if there's a good place to do so [04:45] .me gets it [04:45] If there's nothing obviously wrong, you'll want to dump it on a launchpad bug, yes. [04:47] i'm afraid that log is too good right now [04:47] Too good? :) [04:47] it is only showing my current setup, which is after i fixed the glitch using displayconfig-gtk [04:47] after setting a vga=### in /boot/grub/menu.lst [04:48] ToHellWithGA: Oh. Right. That'll break stuff :) [04:48] i was able to get my desired result by enabling the framebuffer and fixing that [04:48] lots of tinkering doesn't help describe the default error [04:48] RAOF: if the new x-server is released this week, do you think ubuntu will switch to using it in intrepid? [04:48] i'll roll it back some time this weekend and if the bug still exists i'll bring it to you [04:48] Enabling the framebuffer will, at this point, break stuff. Because the framebuffer's broken :) [04:48] At least, it was last time I checked. [04:48] say RAOF, is autoconf/libtool/m4 broken? [04:49] Not for me. [04:49] Hasn't framebuffer on Intel always been broken? Something to do with how they address memory? [04:49] I'm happily autoconfing. [04:49] snap [04:50] bsnider_: new xserver as in 1.5? Intrepid is alread using prerelease versions of that, there's no reason to assume they won't switch to the release when it becomes available [04:50] cool [04:50] i keep getting multiple line errors when i ./autogen.sh to start building libtorrent "The usual way to define 'X' is to add 'AC_PROG_X' to 'configure.ac' and run 'aclocal' and 'autoconf' again. If 'AC_PROG_X' is in 'configure.ac', make sure its definition is in aclocal's search path." [04:50] LSD|Ninja: No; vesafb should've worked with intel. [04:50] where X is some component of standard automake stuff [04:51] http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg985579.html [04:51] LSD|Ninja: in my experience the framebuffer works great. i can get decently high resolution in TTYs with it :) [04:51] er [04:51] ToHellWithGA: Want to pastebin the whole thing? [04:51] RAOF: lol i'd rather not [04:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217504 [04:51] i have to go shower, but i'll be back [04:51] Oh yeah, is radeonfb accelerated? [04:53] RAOF: It's possible they've fixed it then. I suppose it makes sense, there's more incentive to make Intel work right now than ther was a while back [04:53] Possibly. [04:54] where'd ze' bot go? [04:54] DanaG: E's resting. [04:54] Python (not the language) ftw [04:57] Oh yeah, handy hint: instead of glxinfo | grep direct, try glxinfo | grep rend [04:58] or grep for string. [05:02] DanaG: Of course, that's now useless. [05:03] DanaG: Because, as of 7.1, Mesa's software rasteriser supports direct rendering :) [05:03] is 7.1 already in intrepid? [05:03] it was only released a few days ago [05:03] Hmm, then what exactly does it mean to be "direct" rendering? [05:04] "My GL client talks direct to the GL lib, not through X" [05:04] That's what it's always meant. [05:04] That's why "direct rendering: yes" has _never_ been equivalent to "You have 3d acceleration" [05:04] :) [05:06] Hello. I'd like to setup my own internal ubuntu repo. I have 100+ workstations and I'd like to have them stop pounding the official repo. I'd also like to be able to create my own packages to deploy internally. [05:06] I did ask in the #ubuntu channel, but didn't receive a knowledgeable response. So I asked here. [05:06] Any ideas? [05:07] quentusrex_lapto: There are a number of interesting packages; apt-cacher, apt-proxy, apt-mirror, etc. [05:08] RAOF: So what did it do before? [05:08] Previously you needed to talk through X. [05:08] ... and does it improve software-rasterizer performance? [05:08] I was able to find this link: http://www.fewt.com/2008/07/how-to-create-automated-apt-repository.html [05:08] Possibly? [05:08] but I'd like to have more information so that I can customize my repo to my needs... [05:10] quentusrex_lapto: I've used apt-proxy before; you just set that up on one box and add the server as a proxy in the apt-preferences of all the boxes. [05:11] I don't just want a proxy. I'd like to be able to add my own packages as well. [05:11] Then you'll need to look at apt-ftparchive and the like. [05:11] I'd like to be able to have full control over what packages are allowed into the repo. [05:11] <`Matir> quentusrex_lapto, that would be best done by setting up one path on the server as a proxy, and a 2nd repo on the same server for your packages [05:12] I don't want to fix something that isn't broke... It's a business production enviroment... [05:13] but I'd like to be able to override certain ubuntu packages. and replace them with my own customized versions. [05:13] you have ubuntu workstations in a business environment? [05:13] yes, we have a lot of them [05:13] quentusrex_lapto: Why are you asking in #ubuntu+1 ? [05:13] because #ubuntu seemed clueless.... [05:13] nobody had any educated answers... [05:14] Google is more likely to have useful answers. Or the serverish section of Ubuntuforums. #ubuntu is fairly noisy, yes. [05:14] i agre [05:14] irc isn't the place for extremely deatiled answers to anything [05:15] But you can certainly build a repository yourself and add newer-versioned packages of existing Ubuntu packages to it. [05:16] that's what my hope was... [05:18] I know I've seen ubuntu documentation for setting up a repository. Also documentation on how to admin a package. [05:18] but I can't find it anymore. [05:18] It was recent documentation too.... [05:21] RAOF: i have to go to bed, my girlfriend is exhausted [05:21] i'll catch up with you and my automake problem some time [05:21] That's OK. [05:21] have a good night [05:21] :) [05:22] 'night [05:22] has anyone heard about the apt repo tools called: reprepro and falcon? [05:22] Yeah; I used falcon when I was maintaining a repository. [05:28] How was it RAOF ? [05:28] Easy. [05:32] Hey guys. I've just updated Intrepid with the new kernel and everything, and now I'm back to 800x600 res. I found in term.log "DKMS tree must be manually fixed" under nvidia 177.67, which I uninstalled a while ago and replaced with 173. Anyone know what's going on, and how to fix it? [05:32] Apparently 177 is the only nvidia driver working under intrepid at the moment. [05:38] RAOF: thanks for the info [05:40] intrepid uses the nvidia drivers 177? [05:40] We've got 4 different nvidia drivers, actially :( [05:41] I'd like to test some of the 177 drivers on hardy... [05:41] I'm hoping to see audio over hdmi working... === crd1b is now known as crdlb [06:43] Does someone in here know how to maintain a package? [06:43] try #ubuntu-motu [06:43] !packaging [06:43] The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [06:45] I'm trying to find out what is the best practice to create a package modifying package. I want to create a package for my local network that will modify settings files of other packages. But something that will withstand upgrading the original package. [06:46] quentusrex_lapto: The best practice is "don't". At least, that's against Debian & Ubuntu policy. [06:46] On the other hand, that makes it relatively easy; package upgrades will not touch any local changes to configuration. [06:46] Then how would I maintain a modified version of official packages? [06:47] is there a way to install a package, modify it, then repackage the package with my changes? [06:47] Not really. [06:47] What do you actually want to do, specifically. Can you give an example? [06:48] yes. [06:49] For instance the firefox package. I want to include bookmarks for my local network for all the workstations. [06:49] I want to be able to easily add and update internal company bookmarks to all the computers on my lan [06:51] So, that sounds like it would be easiest as a separate package. [06:51] You can just drop the right files in the right directory to make that work, yes? [06:51] yes. [06:51] for that one it would work. [06:51] but how would I 'edit' a file? [06:52] for instance I was playing with mythtv earlier. How would I update the xml files? to change the menu options? [06:53] For that you may well want to grab the source package, edit/patch the files, and then rebuild it. [06:53] hmm [06:53] then how would I handle updates to the main package? [06:53] I'd need to rebuild it myself? [06:53] hmm.... [06:53] Yes. [06:54] We're not optimised for editing random files in a package :) [06:54] So there wouldn't be an easy way to install the mythtv updates, without rebuilding them myself. [06:54] :) [06:54] On the other hand, any changes you make to configuration should never be touched by package upgrades. [06:55] That should probably cover most of your needs, right? [06:55] hmm. hopefully [06:55] I'm glad I'll have a way of testing upgrades... [06:55] before I authorize them for all tthe other workstations [06:57] Like I'd like to be able to add /etc/fstab options for specific shares to be mounted. [06:57] but only for certain clusters of computers. === Sebast1an is now known as Sebastian [08:06] i get this nasty crash when scrolling in Firefox 3.0.1 on some pages, i am using firefox binary from www.firefox.com on ubuntu system http://pastebin.com/m21fb89e1 [08:08] siimo: If you're using upstream's firefox, you get to file bugs upstream :) [08:23] i keep getting a kernel panic in Vbox [08:30] RAOF: downstream firefox also crashes.. but less often [08:30] and both take x server out with it === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [10:25] hi, does the 2.6.27 package have ath_pci and ath5k modules? [10:28] if ath5k supports all devices ath_pci does then I would propose to blacklist ath_pci [10:28] some chips require quirks for network-manager and ath_pci which have been dropped recently [10:58] ath5k should be dropped until 9.04 at least >_< [11:45] yay, dd-wrt. [12:04] where are kde configs held in intrepid? .kde or .kde4? [12:06] hi, how it looks with kde3 in future kubuntu versions? [12:17] cbr: in .kde [12:17] starenka: kde3 is gone, except several applications which don't have kde4 versions [12:19] jtechidna: really? darn.. [12:19] so no configs are in .kde4 anymore? [12:19] no configs are in .kde4 anymore [12:21] thanks === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [12:51] !bug [12:51] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [13:06] RAOF: morning [13:11] RAOF (and anyone else who may have a solution): here's the output from trying to run ./autogen.sh http://thestonepedo.pastebin.ca/1188443 [13:15] also, to pitch another issue, i can't get anything to run after "sudo aptitude update &&" [13:16] whatever is after the && just plain does not happen in the following alias: [13:16] alias update='sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install `cat ~/settings/Packages.txt` && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade && sudo aptitude full-upgrade && sudo aptitude clean' [13:16] i tend to run that then look at my options rather than using the update-manager GUI [13:23] ToHellWithGA: check what aptitude update returns? [13:27] jrib: how so? [13:27] ToHellWithGA: run 'sudo aptitude update' (are you sure nothing fails here?) the 'echo $?' [13:28] s/the/then [13:28] 255 [13:28] that's bad right? [13:28] ToHellWithGA: good now find out what that means :) [13:29] returning 0 means everything worked as expected and the program ended, right? [13:29] yes [13:29] so it barfed...something [13:30] apt and dpkg should have logs somewhere, right? [13:30] ToHellWithGA: the output from aptitude usually tells you if something goes wrong, did you start there? [13:30] its output looked good [13:31] ended with "Reading package lists... Done" followed by a new line [13:31] ToHellWithGA: you could increase the verbosity with -v [13:32] it has another line when i do that at the end: "Current status: 0 broken [+0], 0 updates [+0], 24993 new [+0]. [13:32] " [13:32] .me forgets pasting \n is the same as pushing return [13:33] i have not seen that line in hardy ever [13:33] the status of broken/updates/new packages [13:34] ToHellWithGA: can you pastebin the entire output? [13:34] si [13:35] http://thestonepedo.pastebin.ca/1188451 [13:36] it's so far from verbose [13:36] it just looks like regular aptitude update output with an extra line [13:36] ToHellWithGA: look at line 42 [13:37] virtualbox is no longer distributed via repositories due to a licensing change [13:37] i can remove that line from my sources.list, but i believe that is why it 403'd [13:37] k [13:38] still getting 255 after fixing sources.list to not include a defunct repository [13:39] ToHellWithGA: how about the wine stuff "Ign"? [13:39] hmm, well there's lots of "Ign" [13:40] wait, line 27 :) [13:40] a wine repository, i can comment that line out as well [13:41] and that gets me to 0 [13:41] that's a little ridiculous don't you think? [13:41] no [13:41] causing the entire update to call itself botched due to a missing repository [13:42] well if a command does not complete successfully you would probably want to know [13:42] Lets say you were missing one of the ubuntu.com repos, wouldnt you want that to fail? [13:42] that used to not be the behavior, which was nice during times between alpha releases and third-party repositories supporting new distribution versions [13:42] ToHellWithGA: use ; instead of && if you don't care what it returns [13:43] i'll try using ; [13:43] so it isn't a problem with aptitude, it's my syntax [13:44] "&&" implies that i really do care what happened, while ";" and i are on the same page that we just want a decently-fresh set of packages from which to choose [13:45] dynomite. that's one down and it wasn't even intrepid's fault [13:45] thanks y'all [16:18] Anyone here who knows if Intrepid is known to break OSS? [16:19] !cdimage [16:19] Sorry, I don't know anything about cdimage [16:19] !download [16:19] Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download Hardy, and help keeping the servers' load low! [16:28] ok, firefox and flash... [16:28] when i close a firefox window/tab with flash applets running in it, the applets turn into separate windows [16:31] anyone here good enough with altermime? [17:47] any news about nvidia drivers? do they work right now? [17:49] yes they do [17:56] it depends what card you have though [18:02] bsnider: what version have you installed? broken here [18:02] 177.68 i think [18:02] they all work [18:02] what do you mean broken? [18:03] bsnider: that must be it. I had 173 installed before recent kernel update [18:03] bsnider: now, they don't work [18:04] the drivers have to be reinstalled every time you upgrade the kernel [18:04] boot the new kernel and reinstall the nvidia-glx-173 package [18:05] bsnider: didn't know that. I don't remember ever having such issue with stable ubuntu releases then kernel upgraded [18:05] bsnider: I need to only reinstall "nvidia-glx-173"? [18:06] yes [18:06] it will install another package' [18:06] you also need to havet he kernel-headers package installed so you can compile the drive into the kernel [18:07] bsnider: what? now you have to compile? [18:07] the glx package needs the kernel headers for the kernel you are running [18:07] it does the cokmpiling, not you [18:08] bsnider: so I have to reinstall headers package also? [18:10] you have to install the header5s package for hte kernel you are running [18:10] the 2.6.27-1 headers [18:14] still won't work, I will try 177 [18:14] what's going wrong exactly? === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [18:16] bsnider: too late already installed 177 [18:16] well, that's fine. does it work? [18:17] bsnider: I'm about to test it [18:24] bsnider: 177 works as expected [18:24] cool [18:24] now go out and grab pulseaudio 9.11 [18:25] just for extra special fun [18:26] bsnider: I'm on kubuntu actually [18:26] oh, that sucks [18:26] is "dmesg | grep UDMA" reliable way to tell if dma is enabled on harddrive? [18:33] use hdparm /dev/hdx [18:33] where x is the letter that correpsonds to the drive [18:36] Hello, Is there someone using thunderbird with enigmail? I don't get it working with openpgp [18:37] I don't know why it doesn't work with intrepid [18:39] did it work with hardy? [18:39] yes, but I had time about it [18:40] I tried it with my gmail address [18:40] It didn't ask password [18:41] now [18:41] It said error wrong password [18:41] err.. when did 8.04.1 come out? [18:41] may or june [18:41] wasnt that just 8.04 [18:42]