[11:27] <nand> thorwil: hey! you around?
[11:39] <thorwil> nand: kinda
[11:40] <nand> thorwil: ok, it's not urgent :) I was wondering under which licence you wanted to ... licence your artwork.
[11:41] <thorwil> nand: pick one that is practical for the project
[11:42] <nand> thorwil: okay :)
[17:27] <dLightning> Hello all!
[23:21] <BoogyWoe> hello ubuntu artwork team
[23:34] <__mikem> quick question, what does the new theme look like now?
[23:41] <DanaG> There
[23:42] <DanaG> There is not yet a "THE" new theme.
[23:42] <__mikem> oh man, but I have been in suspense all summer :(
[23:42] <Cimi> no new cool theme before 9.10
[23:43] <Cimi> so october 2009
[23:43] <Cimi> no one have patched GTK+ to support RGBA colormaps, and then nothing new and cool can be added
[23:43] <__mikem> Cimi, I was promiced a new theme next in 8.04 then they pushed it back to 8.10, now you are telling me I have to wait yet ANOTHER year?
[23:43] <Cimi> I haven't promiced anything
[23:44] <Cimi> if ubuntu/canonical did... that's not my fault
[23:44] <__mikem> Cimi, I know, I am not mad at you
[23:44] <BoogyWoe> is the theme of ubuntu changing or are more fundamental things changing... like using avant-window-navigator by default?
[23:44]  * DanaG hugs his rounded scrollbars...
[23:45] <DanaG> It just 'feels' nice, somehow.
[23:45] <__mikem> anyway, are there atleast some resent screenshots I can look at?
[23:46] <kwwii> there might be more change than one expects in the end
[23:46] <Cimi> __mikem: for cool things you have to read my blog
[23:46] <kwwii> or there might be less
[23:46] <Cimi> at least my tests
[23:47] <__mikem> Cimi, link?
[23:47] <Cimi> kwwii: everything depends on the patches for the GtkStatusIcon that may start another process
[23:48] <Cimi> __mikem: http://www.cimitan.com/blog/category/murrine/
[23:48] <Cimi> read this category
[23:48] <Cimi> aka transparent themes that will let the themers to play with roudness and things like this
[23:49] <Cimi> for example this theme is functional, it is not a mockup http://www.cimitan.com/blog/wp-content/rgba-murrine-170208.png
[23:49] <__mikem> I don't want to "play with" the theme, I want a good looking theme out of the box
[23:49] <__mikem> the human theme is a good looking theme, but its grown old
[23:49] <Cimi> yeah, there you can look at it
[23:51] <Cimi> kwwii: you should really ask mark to involve another dev
[23:51] <Cimi> at least for this project
[23:51] <kwwii> Cimi: trust me, I have
[23:51] <Cimi> ok
[23:51] <Boogy`> can I ask if the next version of ubuntu will look more like gOS?
[23:51] <Cimi> even if you don't want to play with transparency: rounded menus for example and things like these
[23:52] <Boogy`> like.. the style is more mac like
[23:52] <kwwii> Boogy`: no, not necessarily
[23:52] <Cimi> gOS is damn ugly IMHO
[23:52] <Boogy`> well look
[23:52] <Boogy`> gOS only exsits to make ubuntu look good for "regular" people
[23:53] <Boogy`> albeit on small net-tops
[23:53] <kwwii> simply copying anything is a bad idea, long term
[23:53] <__mikem> I heard that Mark Shuttleworth called on the ubuntu devs to create a bran new desktop environment to replace gnome and kde that would be more like the mac
[23:53] <kwwii> some things can do that but ubuntu can't
[23:53] <kwwii> it simply makes no sense
[23:53] <Boogy`> why redo the whole inviroment
[23:53] <kwwii> we should learn and move ahead
[23:53] <Boogy`> you already can make you ubunu look like a mac
[23:53] <kwwii> but then again, to do that we need more desktop devs anyway
[23:53] <__mikem> Boogy`, gnome is good but its a bit dated
[23:54] <kwwii> Boogy`: I don't want to make a mac clone
[23:54] <kwwii> I agree that that would be easy
[23:54] <Boogy`> ok.. not "clone"
[23:54] <kwwii> minus the apps
[23:54] <Boogy`> but someone like it
[23:54] <Boogy`> somewhat*
[23:54] <__mikem> kwwii, you don't need a mac clone, you just need something that is pretty and polished like the mac
[23:54] <Cimi> then they can buy a mac :)
[23:54] <Boogy`> yes... what mikem said
[23:55] <Cimi> you cant
[23:55] <Cimi> because mac is actually having ONE theme
[23:55] <Cimi> and they have a custom design for every application
[23:55] <kwwii> __mikem: yes, I agree that it should be as amazing, beautiful, etc
[23:55] <kwwii> but we simply do not have the resources to work like that
[23:55] <Cimi> in fact when you approach a mac skin you have to make a thousand pixmaps for every application
[23:56] <Cimi> linux apps are difefrent
[23:56] <Cimi> they have a similar look because they use the same widget without a custom look (except banshee 1.x)
[23:56] <__mikem> Cimi, I said this before. Linux used to be able to stand out simply because it was more stable and more secure, but with OSX Leopard in the picture, linux is no longer unique in that regard. Not only that but OSX has the stability and security of linux and a pretty face to boot. Linux is not behind. Linux can no longer compete simply on the basis of its superior archetecture, we need a new GUI for ubuntu.
[23:56] <__mikem> I have to restart, brb
[23:57] <Boogy`> can I ask... if I would like to contribute to the GUI-feel of ubuntu.. how would I go about doing that?
[23:57] <Cimi> I don't need a new look to be happy with ubuntu :)
[23:57] <Cimi> Boogy` as I said, without that gtk+ patch we can't much
[23:58] <kwwii> actually he has a very good point....mac has the advantage of knowing all the hardware details so everything just works but we could be just as beautifull if someone wanted it to be
[23:58] <kwwii> someone meaning someone with a lot of money
[23:58]  * Cimi totally agrees
[23:58] <kwwii> it would be very expensive
[23:58] <Boogy`> oh come on guys... I like.. "want" to help furthur ubuntu's world domination
[23:58] <Cimi> Boogy` so go and learn C and Gtk+
[23:59] <Boogy`> so how would I be able to do that with my limited skills at simply pointing out what doesnt look good
[23:59] <kwwii> give me and 3 other artists 10 developers to work with and things would change quickly
[23:59] <__mikem> okay back
[23:59] <kwwii> Boogy`: that is the easy part, lots of people know what they do not like
[23:59] <kwwii> Boogy`: the point is to make things better by actively changing things