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RAOFAnd neither of the commonly used mpeg4 profiles, I guess.00:00
RAOFYou know the problem with CDBS-simple-patchsys?  The patches don't often have any justification headers.00:01
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slangasekthe problem with cdbs-simple-patchsys is that a debdiff only ever shows an added patch, you don't have to add it to a sequence file, so you can't tell from a diff review alone whether it's done right00:04
RAOFI'll admit, there are other defects.  That's just the one that annoyed me now :)00:04
RAOFMy gnome-power-manager has a nice set of lintian warnings.00:05
RAOFHm.  It occurs to me that is only unambiguous when spoken.  "My my, gnome-..." :)00:06
NCommanderslangasek, how's that different from quilt?00:09
slangasekNCommander: ... because there *is* a sequence file, and you can tell at a glance whether the patch has been added there?00:09
NCommanderoh00:09
NCommanderd'oh00:09
* NCommander runs00:09
slangasekand also see from the diff whether it's an addition to the file or a new file, so if it's the first patch you know to look closer to make sure debian/rules invokes quilt00:10
NCommanderah00:12
NCommanderhey LaserJock00:40
LaserJockhi00:42
NCommanderLaserJock, did you get my comments on the backport00:44
LaserJockNCommander: yep00:44
NCommanderPatches are welcome00:46
NCommander:-)00:46
LaserJockpatches?00:46
NCommanderTo fix git-buildpackage on hardy so it installs00:51
LaserJockwell, I can just upload it if I want ;-)00:51
jscinozHMM00:56
jscinozanyone else notice that Revu seems to break for a package everytime you upload a new revision00:56
jscinozbut seems to sort it self out a day or so later.00:56
jscinozhttp://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=google-gadgets fails and presents the user with a traceback >_<00:57
wgrantI think that's it more likely that you keep finding bugs in it, and people keep fixing them.00:59
NCommanderits nice to know my code changes to revu broke things miserably01:28
NCommanderwgrant, hola01:28
NCommanderhola persia01:33
wgrantNCommander: Hi. Remarkably bad timing you have there.01:46
NCommanderwgrant, why?01:46
wgrantNCommander: Catching me just a few minutes after I left.01:46
NCommanderwgrant, oh :-P01:47
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NCommanderwgrant, well, I always have bad timing01:55
NCommanderI'm told my mom went into labor at a very inconvenient time01:55
wgrantWow, -synaptics is rather busted.02:02
NCommanderwgrant, ?02:10
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RAOFI don't want to let my membership of ~motu expire, do I?05:19
jdongRAOF: you don't want a life, do you?05:22
RAOFI mean, it's not one of the teams that are deprecated.05:23
jdongRAOF: it's the real team (the new one) isn't it?05:23
RAOFMaybe? :)05:24
RAOFThere's also ~ubuntu-dev05:24
RAOFEh.  I'll hit "renew" anyway.05:25
* ajmitch is expired out of ~ubuntu-dev as well05:25
jdongubuntu-dev is the old one I thought.05:25
superm1i thought ubuntu-dev was the parent one05:27
superm1for ~motu and ~core-dev05:27
jdongreally?05:27
jdongthat could be.05:27
jdongdoesn't make sense for it to expire then05:27
superm1RAOF, i think it would be funny though if it did expire and to renew it post expiration you had to perform a challenge05:28
superm1like fix 35 bugs in 24 hours in a maximum of 3 packages or something05:28
superm1make things interesting05:28
jdonglol05:28
* ajmitch goes to file 40 bugs05:29
jdong"HAHA you're 1 minute 35s too late... Now package eclipse 3.4"05:29
RAOFBA BAW!05:29
HobbseeRAOF: i think you're only allowed to renew the ones you're suspposed to renew05:34
RAOFHobbsee: As in: you'll only be _asked_ about renewing the ones you're supposed to renew?05:34
* ScottK looks for some crackish stuff to upload, because it appears to be the in thing to do.05:35
HobbseeRAOF: no, you'll get asked about all of them.05:35
HobbseeRAOF: you'll have to contact a team admin for those you aren't to review, usually.05:35
HobbseeScottK: automatix3?05:35
RAOFScottK: I suggest xserver-xgl.05:35
ScottKI said crackish, not insane.05:35
RAOFCrap.  Xserver-xgl.05:35
StevenKHow about noveau?05:35
superm1how about a windows binary inside a source package again?05:36
RAOFThat's some high-grade crack that people enjoy!05:36
ScottKsuperm1: If it's licensed correctly and depends on WINE, I can see where that might not be totally insane.05:36
* RAOF wonders how many people would care if xserver-xgl were to accidentally 'disappear'05:36
RAOFHey, popcon might answer that.05:37
jdongRAOF: oh trust me those would be the worst complaints05:37
* ajmitch would care, deeply05:37
jdongRAOF: people with the worst graphics cards in the world who also want to do 3D compositing effects?05:37
jdong*shudder*05:37
RAOFThey need to be using <= Geforce2 before xgl is actually needed, right?05:37
RAOFPopcon thinks ~30K people have xserver-xgl installed, making it 399th on the 'by vote' list.05:40
ajmitchhysterical raisins?05:40
RAOFWith the small problem that it's crap, barely maintained upstream, and will take a lot of work to get it to build again.05:40
superm1RAOF, is there a date that is assigned to?05:40
superm1maybe 30k had it assigned at it's peak05:41
superm1but now only 10 do05:41
ajmitchRAOF: just because it's removed from the archive, doesn't mean that people can't keep it installed if they really need it05:41
superm1and if you aren't rebuilding it again anytime soon, that's no better than the current05:41
superm1removing it just prevents more people from making a mistake05:42
RAOFTrue.  Ah... by vote it's only 2.5K used recently.05:42
ajmitchthere are probably still people using beryl05:43
RAOFRight, that's enough for me.  Let's go file a removal request.05:43
ajmitchberyl does show up on popcon, how unfortunate05:44
RAOFReally?  Where?05:44
ajmitchby_inst05:44
RAOF:(05:44
tuxmaniacheya gang06:24
tbielawaALO06:25
tbielawa- caps, sorry06:25
dholbachgood morning06:42
quentusrex_lapto I'm trying to find out what is the best practice to create a package modifying package. I want to create a package for my local network that will modify settings files of other packages. But something that will withstand upgrading the original package.06:46
LaserJockis there a motu-release person around?07:00
quentusrex_laptonope...07:02
dholbachhey Koon!07:02
Koonhello Daniel !07:02
KoonHow are you today ?07:02
dholbachvery good - how 'bout you?07:03
dholbachsomebody should add a patch to wtf so it knows what TGIF means :)07:03
Koongood - good, but it's a good thing it's Friday, you're right07:04
dholbach:-)07:04
dholbachbefore our holidays we were in constant hectic and people visiting us on the weekend, after our holidays the same07:05
dholbachso it's the first time in like 8 weeks or something that I'm going to buy records on the weekend again07:05
dholbachyoohoo :)07:05
* dholbach missed doing that07:05
Koondholbach: the visiting-on-weekends season isn't over here, we still have visitors this weekend. But next week should be alright :)07:06
TheMusoLaserJock: If you are still around, I am around.07:06
dholbach:-)07:10
LaserJockTheMuso: I've got a multiverse upstream ISV that wants to get a new version of their package into Intrepid (well and Hardy but I'm not going there yet)07:10
LaserJockTheMuso: would a FFe be a good idea or do you guys really care?07:11
TheMusoLaserJock: an FFE would be a good idea, but at this point it will likely have no problem getting through.07:11
LaserJockTheMuso: ok, I just wondered since it's all binary. There's not much of a diff to look at07:12
TheMusoLaserJock: Right.07:13
TheMusoLaserJock: Do it early and we likely won't even look, just wave it through.07:13
LaserJockTheMuso: k, they sent me an email with packages today. I'll likely get to it before the weekend is done07:14
TheMusorighto07:14
IulianGood morning08:30
jpdsMorning.08:31
* NCommander is bored08:31
NCommanderjpds, know any good bugs that need work, or general release tasks?08:31
jpdsNCommander: bug #26193008:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261930 in ubuntu-dev-tools "requestsync gets confused by epoch numbers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26193008:32
IulianHey Jonathan.08:32
NCommanderWhat's the work on the fix so far?08:33
jpdsNCommander: None, bzr only marked the branch cos I put the wrong number after commit --fixes.08:33
NCommanderwhoops ;-)08:33
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gesergood morning08:42
IulianMorning geser08:44
huatsmorning everyone08:45
IulianHey08:47
NCommanderOk10:08
sistpoty|workhi folks10:21
dholbachhi sistpoty|work10:22
sistpoty|workhi dholbach10:22
huatshello guys sistpoty|work and dholbach10:26
sistpoty|workhi huats10:27
dholbachhi huats10:27
huatso/10:27
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didrocksdholbach: thanks for the upload :)10:42
dholbachdidrocks: de rien10:45
didrocks:)10:45
dholbachsoren: new storm! :)10:49
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RaybuntuHi all, i want to package this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/262230 but there is only a ppa where I can download the sources. Can I use the ppa?11:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262230 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Ubuntu LiveUSB" [Undecided,New]11:24
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cjwatsonProcess question: does anyone mind if somebody from ubuntu-release approves something that would normally be motu-release's job? The case at hand is bug 258989 that I think looks fine and seems to be fairly low-risk11:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 258989 in ubuntu "Please sync python-protobuf 2.0.0~b-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25898911:42
cjwatsonPut another way, should ubuntu-release be a member of motu-release?11:42
cjwatsonAlso, I note that motu-release has no administrators. Presumably adding and removing members still needs to be done by Riddell, even though he's deactivated?11:43
dholbachcjwatson: I think somebody of motu-council asked Riddell to pass over admin-ship, but I'm not sure who that was11:45
RiddellI seem to remember that too, I expect I forgot about it11:45
dholbachDktrKranz2 and sistpoty|work might be able to answer the other question11:45
Riddell(not least because I've never had anything to do with motu-release)11:46
cjwatsonRiddell: aside from owning the team you mean? :)11:46
Riddellyeah, apart from that11:47
dholbachcjwatson: being deactivated has the advantage of not getting their bug mail :)11:47
Riddellwho's a good person to change the owner to?11:47
sistpoty|workhm... imo it makes sense that ubuntu-release can approve any motu-release requests...11:48
sistpoty|workwe'll have a motu-release meeting in 12 minutes btw, I'll add that to the agenda (which only exists in my brain so far *g*)=11:49
Riddellif I add ubuntu-release to the motu-release team will that mean extra bug mail for ubuntu-release?11:49
sistpoty|workRiddell: no idea actually...11:50
sorendholbach: re storm: Well, yes, but FF?11:50
sistpoty|workhowever I guess such a policy wouldn't necessarily need to be reflected by team membership ;)11:50
dholbachsoren: man... it has debugging now and is supposed to be faster in some parts!11:51
sorendholbach: Alright, I'll file an FFe. On Monday. I've got the day off.11:51
dholbachsoren: take it easy11:52
dholbachsoren: if you need someone to test it, let me know - harvest uses storm11:52
sistpoty|workRiddell: maybe you could make motu-council the team owner? or would that cause bug mails to MC (dholbach?)?11:52
dholbachsistpoty|work: not if MC is the owner, but deactivated in the team AFAIK11:52
sistpoty|workah :)11:53
dholbachhey norsetto11:53
* dholbach hugs norsetto11:53
* norsetto hugs dholback back11:53
Riddell"Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page."  oh well, guess I can't change the owner11:55
TheMusoScottK, sistpoty|work, DktrKranz, norsetto, will we meet in #ubuntu-meeting?11:55
norsettoTheMuso: yes11:55
cjwatsonRiddell: extra bug mail> I think anyone in ubuntu-release should be able to cope11:55
cjwatson(since they probably get more bug mail than they can read anyway so who cares ...)11:56
NCommanderTheMuso, can you do me a favor? I need a few builds retried but I need a core-dev to reset the build-record12:00
NCommander(after the meeting)12:00
ScottKNCommander: Simple bug fixes don't need motu-release approval.12:03
NCommanderYeah, got your email12:03
* NCommander hides in his corner12:03
emgentmoin12:03
NCommandermorning ember12:03
NCommanderer emgent12:03
NCommanderdamn autocomplete12:04
emgent:)12:04
dholbachRiddell: accepted the invitation, now how do I make it owner or change the parcipation status? :)12:06
Riddelldholbach: I just made motu-council an administrator12:07
Riddellbut I can't change the owner12:07
dholbachhum12:08
dholbachRiddell: let's talk to the guys in #launchpad12:08
geserNCommander: re your alsaplayer debdiff: how do I apply it because the usual patch -p1 or -p0 don't work (and the dpatch doesn't look like a usual dpatch)12:10
NCommandergeser, just run the patch target, it runs fine12:10
NCommanderI used dpatch-edit-patch on intrepid which seemingly changes things12:10
FlannelRiddell: I believe owner can only be changed by either a) the owner, or b) LP guys (or c] the previous owner leaves the team?)12:10
RiddellI am the owner (for some unkent reason)12:11
FlannelAlright, then a must not be true :)12:11
geserNCommander: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41509/12:12
NCommandergeser, dpatches aren't valid "patchs"12:12
NCommanderYOu have to use dpatch to apply it12:12
NCommanderOh wait12:13
NCommanderThe debdiff came out screwy12:13
directhexisn't the reverse the case?12:13
NCommanderWTF12:13
NCommanderI think I reversed the patch12:13
directhexAFAIK dpatches are patches12:14
directhexjms@osc-franzibald:/tmp/mono-1.9.1+dfsg$ patch -p1 < debian/patches/remove_arg_max_check_r101444.dpatch12:14
directhexpatching file mono/io-layer/wapi_glob.c12:14
NCommandergeser, http://paste.ubuntu.com/41511/12:15
cjwatsonRiddell: https://launchpad.net/~motu-release/+reassign ?12:16
cjwatsonoh, never mind, just caught up on #launchpad12:16
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geserNCommander: hmm, still the same12:17
dholbachcjwatson: so you're sure about adding ubuntu-release as a member?12:18
NCommanderThe patch looks valid O_o;12:18
cjwatsondholbach: it's fine from our point of view12:18
NCommanderPlease someone else test it so I'm sure I'm not loosing my mind12:18
dholbachcjwatson: ok.. I'll wait for sistpoty|work's go-ahead after the meeting12:19
sistpoty|workdholbach, cjwatson: was already discussed, no objections12:20
dholbachalrighty12:20
cjwatsoncool, thanks12:20
dholbachcjwatson: invitation went out12:21
dholbachcjwatson: let me know when you accepted it12:29
cjwatsondholbach: it doesn't seem to be reaching me so far ...12:41
dholbachhum12:41
dholbachhttps://launchpad.net/~motu-release/+members shows ubuntu-release as pending12:41
cjwatsonmy procmail.log has no record of it12:41
huatsnorsetto: you are here also !!!12:42
dholbachcjwatson: Does https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+invitations reveal anything?12:42
norsettoI'm not, really :-)12:42
huats;)12:42
cjwatsondholbach: ah, yes, I'll accept it that way; thanks12:43
dholbachde rien12:44
* dholbach rushes out for lunch12:45
norsettohuats: any chance you can help suman?12:48
huatsnorsetto: I don't see what you are refereing too...12:49
huatsbut I'd be happy to help12:49
norsettohuats: mentoring reception, find him a mentor, etc.12:50
huatsnorsetto: sure12:50
huatsbut I haven't see the message...12:50
huatslet me check again...12:50
norsettosorry, I mispelled the name, is sourav12:51
norsettohuats: sorry, I mispelled the name, is sourav12:51
huatsI haven't received the email12:52
huatsnorsetto: I have seen it in the queue waiting for approval12:52
huatsand nothing then12:52
huatsI guessed he cancelled it...12:52
norsettohuats: I approved it12:53
huatsok12:53
huatsbut I haven't received it12:53
huatsok12:53
huatsI'll check the archives12:53
huatsand I'll take car of him12:53
huatsnxvl: hello and congrats !!!!12:58
nxvlhuats: hello and thank you13:00
nxvlgood morning everyone!13:00
huats:)13:00
RainCTheya13:02
quentusrex_laptoHello all.13:02
quentusrex_laptoI'm setting up an internal apt repo for my company. This way we can have better control of what software can be installed, and what updates are installed and when. Can we replace the 'components' settings from main non-free contrib to our own custom components? such as beta, update, stable?13:04
directhexyes13:04
quentusrex_laptoI want something along the lines of |Ubuntu-> Updates, Beta, Stable-> Accounting, Sales, Office,13:05
quentusrex_laptohow would I do this? I'm using reprepro.13:06
quentusrex_laptoWhat do I set the components to?13:09
directhexi haven't used that software before. but generally, you can use anything you like as long as it's properly represented in all the files13:10
quentusrex_laptoHow do I setup multiple nested groups?13:10
quentusrex_laptoLike there will be Ubuntu->Beta->Accounting ; and there will be Ubuntu->Stable->Accounting13:11
directhexdon't. 1 layer of nesting only. just use dashes13:11
quentusrex_laptodashes?13:11
quentusrex_laptooh, like13:11
directhexbeta-accounting13:11
quentusrex_laptook13:11
directhexyour dist/release defines a list of components, not a tree13:12
quentusrex_laptook13:12
directhexso dist/release should just list every possible component you might want in that dist. juggle dists and components to suit13:12
quentusrex_laptooh, ok13:12
quentusrex_laptoSo could I set the dist to Updates, Beta and Stable13:12
quentusrex_laptoand the components to accounting, sales, office, etc?13:13
directhexyeah13:13
quentusrex_laptook13:14
quentusrex_laptohow would I integrate updates from the official repo into my repo?13:14
quentusrex_laptoSince the official updates and packages don't follow my 'custom' layout?13:16
cjwatsonquentusrex_lapto: FWIW, if this were Ubuntu, we'd model beta, update, stable as pockets (i.e. hardy-beta, hardy-update, hardy-stable) rather than as components13:17
cjwatsonthe general idea is that a package is typically only in one component at a time (per release, anyway), but that different versions of a package may be in different pockets13:18
quentusrex_laptoby pockets you mean dists?13:20
directhexsort of13:21
directhexhardy-beta different from dapper-beta and so on, just in case13:22
quentusrex_laptoaah13:22
quentusrex_laptobut if I an only allowing a single release then it's fine.13:23
directhexaye13:23
quentusrex_laptoI'm sticking with the LTS 8.04.113:23
directhexgood choice13:24
cjwatsonerr, so, a pocket is like "security updates to 8.04" versus "8.04"13:24
cjwatsonI assume (hope!) you're incorporating security updates rather than just using 8.04.1 as-is13:24
quentusrex_laptoHow would I integrate official updates into my system?13:24
cjwatsonour pockets for 8.04 are hardy (original release), hardy-security, hardy-updates, hardy-proposed, hardy-backports13:24
directhexjust make sure security.ubuntu.com is also in sources.list13:24
directhexi.e. all the usual ubuntu sources as well as your private one13:25
quentusrex_laptobut I don't want all the usual ubuntu sources13:25
* cjwatson reads "This way we can have better control of what software can be installed, and what updates are installed and when" and suspects that is not desirable13:25
quentusrex_laptoright13:25
quentusrex_laptoI only want authorized software to be able to be installed.13:26
quentusrex_laptolike no games...13:26
cjwatsonyou'll have to develop scripts to download updates (maybe using debmirror?) and move them into your archive when checked13:26
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quentusrex_laptoright13:26
quentusrex_laptoI want to download all the updates into the folder updates13:26
directhexi've done that before, for a remastered dapper CD13:27
quentusrex_laptothen as I make sure they work, I'll move them into the folders so that others can update13:27
cjwatsonyou would have to effectively reupload those updates to reprepro (or possibly convince it that they've been "uploaded" by some back door)13:27
cjwatsonI don't know reprepro as such13:27
* directhex is old-skool; uses apt-ftparchive13:27
cjwatsonbut that's the general model we use for syncing updates from Debian13:27
quentusrex_laptohmm13:27
quentusrex_laptoI don't mind custom building the scripts myself.13:28
cjwatsonwe do it by fetching each source package (you'd probably want to fetch binaries too) and regenerating the .changes file13:29
quentusrex_laptohmm13:29
cjwatsonthis approach means you can use your archive management toolset to rebuild Packages files and such rather than having to do it yourself13:29
cjwatson(as simply putting the files in the right directories achieves roughly zip)13:30
directhexrebuilding Packages is easy enough with some gentle apt-ftparchive-fu13:30
directhexor reprepo maybe. like i said, never used it13:31
lagahum13:31
lagaso, you don't want your users to install games? in order to install software, they need to be root. which means they can edit sources.list or bring some debs on a thumb drive13:32
directhexwell, i WAS wondering that13:32
directhexyou even need rootiness to click apply in update-manager13:32
quentusrex_laptowould there be an easy way to be able to automatically add the ubuntu package updates? if I haven't custom build the package myself?13:34
quentusrex_laptoI'll give them sudo ability13:34
quentusrex_laptowhich is fine with me.13:34
directhexthen they can install whatever they like, with a well-placed sudo dpkg -i13:35
quentusrex_laptoyes they can...13:35
quentusrex_laptobut not without going out of their way to do it13:35
quentusrex_laptoif they go out of their way to do it, then if they do something that get's them in trouble then....13:37
quentusrex_laptoso,13:39
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quentusrex_laptoback to my latest question. How do I let most packages from the official repo into my system, and be able to apply the updates easily. But the packages I customized I have to update myself.13:42
quentusrex_laptoalright, I think I'll move to a different question13:45
quentusrex_laptoHow do I update packages? I mean if I have a large 300mb package and I only need to make a single change. Can I apply only the update?13:45
quentusrex_laptoif they want to install the whole package then they download the whole thing, but the update only needs the small update rather than the whole thing.13:46
quentusrex_lapto?13:46
cjwatsonwe don't support delta updates, no13:47
cjwatsongenerally we try not to have 300mb packages for all kinds of reasons, not that that always works :)13:48
quentusrex_laptohmm....13:48
quentusrex_laptook13:48
quentusrex_laptoso to update something like that I'd have to generate another large file?13:49
cjwatsonthat's correct13:49
cjwatson(in general. in specific cases sometimes it's possible to drop another file in place using a new package in order to effect a change)13:50
quentusrex_laptohmm13:53
gaspazul: libxen3 has a quite funny Replaces: => libxen3.2 (<< libxen3.2-3.2.0-0ubuntu3)14:16
gaspais there a reason or simply a mistake?14:16
zulgaspa: could be a bug14:21
sistpoty|workgaspa: that's a mistake, since a newer version of the same package will always replace the older version14:23
ScottKsistpoty|work: Not the same package.14:24
sistpoty|workScottK: hm?14:24
ScottKlibxen3 vs libxen3.214:24
gaspalibxen3.2 and libxen3 aren't the same package14:24
gaspaScottK: ;)14:24
sistpoty|workoh, indeed... I've misread that :)14:24
ScottKEasy one to miss.14:25
gaspasistpoty|work: anyway, i was only curious for the strange version number.14:25
sistpoty|workunrelated, it still seems to be a problem, if a library conflicts/replaces against an older version (with a different name), as then these are not coinstallable... xen might be special there though14:26
cjwatsonsometimes mistakes happen and coinstallability needs to be sacrificed. I haven't checked this particular case though14:30
cjwatsonI note that libxen3 ships some unversioned file names14:31
quentusrex_laptohttp://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html#debian-repository-example14:38
quentusrex_laptoHow can I setup more than one level tree?14:38
quentusrex_laptothat is the 'standard' setup for debian. it has more than 3 levels...14:38
\shsistpoty|work: peng14:43
* sistpoty|work falls heavily wounded to the ground14:43
sistpoty|work\sh: argggggg14:43
sistpoty|work*g*14:43
\shsistpoty|work: bug #256261 the bug is won't fix, because kdm is started in S99 :)14:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 256261 in kdebase-workspace "keyboard won't work loginmanager starts" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25626114:44
\shcan i has core dev now?14:44
directhexquentusrex_lapto, it's not more than three levels - it's 2 deep, with required cruft14:44
\shsistpoty|work: I think this guy upgraded from hardy to intrepid without apt-get install kubuntu-desktop again, because if he had only kde4 from the ppas there is no direct upgrade path14:44
sistpoty|work\sh: actually it's confirmed, and my system says it's started in s19 or so :P14:44
directhexquentusrex_lapto, the only levels in it are the entries in "dists" (unstable, testing, stable) and the components in those dists (main, contrib, non-free)14:45
\shsistpoty|work: which version of kdm package do you have?14:45
sistpoty|work\sh: 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu814:45
\shgive me a sec14:45
sistpoty|work\sh: the postinst script is quite weird to read, and imo fails to correctly update the rc.d... I already looked ;)14:46
quentusrex_laptook14:46
quentusrex_laptoso there are still only 2 levels? dist and components?14:46
\shsistpoty|work: strange...14:46
sistpoty|work\sh: maybe dependencies get created by lsb headers nowadays? (in case these are present)14:47
sistpoty|work\sh: then it would be a really simple fix :)14:47
\shsistpoty|work: fun part even on hardy + ppa packages it's S99...could be that it picks it up during upgrade14:47
\shif vmware would work on intrepid I would have tested it now with a clean install14:47
sistpoty|work\sh: whatever it is, it's a pain to always need to restart kdm after booting *g*14:48
\shsistpoty|work: really, I never had that problem...14:48
sistpoty|workwhy always /me? *g*14:49
\shyou can't has pony ,,)14:49
ScottKsistpoty|work: Because you should be helping develop Kubuntu, not just using it.14:49
sistpoty|workheh14:50
\shgenau14:50
lagacould someone please review a mythtv theme on REVU? it's supposed to go in for intrepid :) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mythtv-theme-metallurgy-wide15:28
sistpoty|worklaga: it's quite dark, but the icons are nice :P15:44
lagasistpoty|work: there are darker ones. check out project grayhem :)15:46
sistpoty|workheh15:46
sistpoty|worksuperm1: to answer your mail, there will be minutes... just kick NCommander, as he has the duty to write them ;)15:47
vadi2Hi, I have a quick question. in 8.10, some boost -dev packages are version 1.35, while normal packages are 1.3416:01
vadi2oh oops, ignore that16:02
IulianHuh16:03
sebnerhuhu sistpoty|work :D16:05
sistpoty|workhi sebner16:05
sebnerdholbach: sry for twiki, I had a really bad day on wednesday :\16:05
dholbachnp16:06
sebnerdholbach: though I'm wondering that some of my syncs didn't make it but had the tag16:06
dholbachwhich tag?16:07
sebnerdholbach: the pre-ff tag16:09
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dholbachsebner: right... seems we didn't have enough people reviewing stuff16:09
sebnerdholbach: ah ok. but seems funny since persia was pushing and pushing :)16:10
sebnerdholbach: btw, can you give me an advice for bug #261991 ?16:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261991 in tuxtype "Merge tuxtype 1.5.17.dfsg1-3 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26199116:11
sebner\o/ ScottK-laptop16:13
gesersebner: what kind of advice do you need?16:13
ScottK-laptop?16:13
sebnergeser: can you tell me why I would need a FF? no new upstream ... or is main different than universe?16:13
dholbachsebner: no you don't need one - no new upstream version16:14
sebnerdholbach: sponsors shouldn't confuse contributors xD16:14
gesersebner: don't forget to comment on the current ubuntu delta16:14
directhexso do i or don't i need to get a FFe for a package which was put in the sponsorship queue before FF? i've heard conflicting reports16:15
sebnergeser: comment?16:15
sebnerdirecthex: is it a sync?16:15
directhexsebner, it's a merge.16:16
sebnerdirecthex: new upstream?16:16
DktrKranzsebner: the only thing it could be worth asking a FF is16:16
DktrKranz   * Patch the source to use 1.0 basic release of the ttf-sil-andika fonts and16:16
DktrKranz     not the "design review" version.16:16
gesersebner: forget it, I thought it was a sync16:16
sebnergeser: nvm16:16
sebnerDktrKranz: ahoi mate16:17
sebnerdirecthex: if yes then yes16:17
directhexsebner, yes.16:17
directhexsebner, sigh. right then.16:17
DktrKranzother than that, I really don't see why motu-release should consider this16:17
sebnerDktrKranz: I also thought so ;)16:18
directhexsebner, a new bug, or modifying the merge request?16:18
sebnerdirecthex: just modify the bug16:18
sebnerDktrKranz: congratulations btw for being a motu-release member now :)16:18
DktrKranzsebner: am I?16:18
sebnerDktrKranz: I thought so O_o16:19
DktrKranzcan you look in the future? could you please tell me next NBA champion? :)16:19
* sebner is searching his crystal ball 16:20
directhexoh, intercourse's sake. diffstat versus version in ubuntu? version in ubuntu is obsolete and inappropriate. that's the point!16:20
ScottK-laptopWe're working on obsoleting that requirement.16:21
directhexespecially when i did the damn debian version in the first place16:22
ScottK-laptopdirecthex: If you leave that out, I might fail to notice.16:23
directhexwhat's the right way to redirect pbuilder logs? 2>&1 still seems to miss one or two lines16:25
ScottK-laptopdirecthex: --logfile= or some such.  See man pbuilder16:26
directhexah yes, guessed there'd be something like that16:26
DktrKranzsebner: I asked to join, but I'm not a member yet16:29
sebnerDktrKranz: pfff, I don't see any problems16:30
DktrKranzsebner: you're young, you can't see problems. grow up a bit and problems will eat you16:31
sebnerDktrKranz: I'll eat them :P16:32
DktrKranzthey're bitter, not too good to eat. better leave them alone16:34
breizehey guys... im currently looking at the motu youtube videos, but i get an error at some point...16:39
breizewhen running "debuild -S -sa" i get: This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be16:40
breizean appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory;16:40
breize(expected ed_0.9.orig.tar.gz or ed-0.9.orig)16:40
breizebut the file is in the partent directory16:40
breizeany advise?16:40
directhexbreize, ed_0.9.orig.tar.gz is in the parent?16:43
breizeyes, in "../debian"16:44
directhexit needs to be in ..16:45
breizei meant .. ;)16:45
breizeit's in the "ed-0.9" directory16:45
directhexwait, that's wrong too16:45
directhexyour folder should contain ed-0.9/ and ed_0.9.orig.tar.gz16:46
directhexand probably ed_0.9-1.diff.gz and ed_0.9-1.dsc16:46
breizeand in the same folder the "debian" folder?16:47
directhexbreize, no, debian/ should be inside ed-0.916:49
directhex/16:49
breizeok16:49
directhexthat's one of the things reflected in the diff.gz16:49
breizeah ok, works now, thanks for your help16:49
\shMOTU-RELEASE: do i need a UFE for adding libs to ia32-libs?16:50
directhexScottK-laptop, remind me to continue testing the package when i next appear. time to drive home.16:50
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ScottK-laptop\sh: Please do the bugfix only approach where you document what you are doing in a bug.16:51
\shScottK-laptop: bug #246911 and I add a diff of debian/rules and explain what I did?16:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 246911 in ia32-libs "[Wishlist] please add libnspr4-0d to ia32-libs" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24691116:52
* k0p is away: I'm busy right now16:52
\shScottK: most of it is already on my hd...so it's just a matter of uploading 400Megs of data ;)16:53
ScottK-laptop\sh: Go for it, just put the rules diff in the bug and some rationale for why each.16:54
\shScottK: good :)16:54
ScottK-laptop\sh: Are you going to freshen the existing packages too?16:54
\shScottK: well, it would be a good reason to do so16:55
ScottK-laptopPlease do.16:55
\shk...16:55
\shI'll just write an mail to -motu and -devel to announce this work..so nobody would do it twice without knowing16:56
\shsistpoty|work: apachelogger can now has his core-dev ,-)16:57
sistpoty|work\sh: yes, I'm impressed by the quick fix of apachelogger16:57
sistpoty|workapachelogger: earn bonus points by also updating the lsb-headers to add hal as dependency ;)16:58
\shrotfl16:58
sistpoty|work<- needs to get home to try the fix *G*16:58
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RainCTIs today's Intrepid working fine? (I'm thinking about downloading the daily image to see how cool Intrepid is and check if linux .27 sucks as much as .26 :P)17:44
IulianWhy do you say that .26 sucks?17:49
* Iulian shrugs17:49
james_wdirecthex: MIR bug filed, I subscribed you, I hope you don't mind17:49
jdongIulian: from what I heard they really screwed up the mac80211 stack in 2.6.2617:58
sebnerRainCT: .27 is not bootable for me18:00
* sistpoty|work heads home... cu later.18:03
RainCTIulian: sound is send to pcspkr instead of to the speakers and the progess bar at boot is displayed 3 times in a weird way XD18:05
jdongRainCT: it's the new AMD triple-core bootup!18:06
RainCTlol18:06
directhexjames_w, no, of course i don't mind, thank you for helping with this18:09
james_wdirecthex: thank you, it took me about two minutes to do that bit, you did the hard work.18:10
RainCTjpds: there's a bug in requestsync (unless you already fixed it since my last pull :P). if a package has diverged in Ubuntu it asks you twice to edit the report (first it says that you have to edit it, and after that it asks if you want to edit it as it always does)18:20
directhexScottK, what have i missed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monodoc/+bug/256853 ?18:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 256853 in monodoc "[merge request] Please merge monodoc 1.9-1.2 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:22
directhexbuilding, installation, use, all logged & correct.18:30
directhexone mighty fine bug report18:31
ScottKdirecthex: New revisions that fix bugs don't need an FFe.18:31
directhexit doesn't fix bugs that i know of. other than bundling documentation for an obsolete version of the software being mighty silly, and upstream not making promises that the mismatched version numbers won't be a problem at some point.18:33
ScottKIt's just a new debian revision.  No FFe needed.18:34
directhexis there anything more i can do at this point then, or will it simply get the nod when someone in u-m-s gets to it?18:35
ScottKNope.18:36
directhexmy work here is done then. fingers crossed, intrepid should ship with a mono stack in pretty decent shape18:37
sistpotyhi folks19:14
sistpotyhm... can I find irc-ops somewhere... I'm having difficulty to connect to freenode and need some help19:15
Nafallosistpoty: you ARE on freenode ;-)19:15
sistpotyNafallo: well, I needed to tunnel here19:16
sistpotywhich is imo suboptimal *g*19:16
geser#ubuntu-irc perhaps (I hope I remembered the channel correctly)19:16
Nafallo#freenode rather19:17
Nafallo^-- sistpoty19:17
sistpotyok, thanks Nafallo and geser19:17
gesersistpoty: see also http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#helpfromstaff19:19
sistpotyoh... nice... thanks geser19:20
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sistpotybbl19:29
IulianRainCT: You should have found a workaround for the sound issue. Also saying that 2.6.26 sucks just because of your three-bars problem is a bad thing.19:30
Iulianjdong: I didn't have the chance to know more about wireless so I cannot say anything about it. I thought that it's working fine.19:30
Iulianjdong: .26 of course.19:31
Iulianjdong: Did you test out your wireless with the latest kernel?19:32
Iuliansistpoty: I thought bbl is an acronym for "be back later", not "be right back". :-)19:33
sistpotyIulian: I was assuming the worst with my irc problems *g*19:33
IulianOhh, that explains it.19:34
jdongIulian: planning to do that later today; I've got an ath9k card that should have brand-new kernel 2.6.27 support19:46
jdongso I'm excited.19:46
taconeLaney: ping19:50
Laneyhi tacone19:50
taconeLaney: I am fixing the regression of memaker19:51
taconewould you test it ?19:51
Laneytacone: Sure, no problem19:51
RainCTIulian: yes, my workaround is: sudo aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic  ;P19:51
taconeLaney: http://test.stefanoforenza.com/memaker_1.0.1-0ubuntu2_all.deb19:53
Iulianjdong: Cool, let me know if you're not running into trouble.19:53
IulianRainCT: Yay!19:53
IulianRainCT: That is definitely not a workaround.19:54
Laneytacone: Worked fine!19:55
taconenice. it was my fault. my patch was not complete. I missed one file.19:55
RainCTIulian: It isn't? How can you say that? *g*19:55
taconewould anyone sponsor a little debdiff on lp:#262750 ?20:19
taconeuff. bug 26275020:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262750 in memaker "Memaker 1.0.1 installation fails with older python versions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26275020:20
emgenttacone: we are in FF20:21
taconeso not even bugfixes ?20:22
emgentyeah20:22
emgentmotu-release20:22
sebneremgent: \o/20:23
emgentheya sebner20:25
emgenttacone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze%20for%20bug%20fix%20only%20updates%20(process%20agreed%20by%20motu-release)20:26
RainCTemgent: but that's for new (bugfix only) upstream versions20:27
taconeemgent: that's not a new upstream release. is a bugfix on the packaging.20:27
emgentoh sorry20:27
LaneyWhat's kubuntu's equivalent of update-manager -d?20:28
RainCTemgent: and anyway the only difference to before FF is that MOTUs have to file a bug for such uploads if there isn't one20:28
taconeLaney: sudo apt-get install update-manager; update-manager -d20:28
tacone(joking)20:28
RainCTxDD20:28
directhexLaney, aptitude install gnome-desktop20:28
* Laney slaps you all20:28
IulianHah20:28
directhexubuntu-desktop. you got the joke, damnit!20:28
RainCTtacone: you passed debdiff the arguments in the wrong order20:29
taconeRainCT: ok correcting20:29
Laneydebdiff old.dsc new.dsc20:29
lukehasnonameMy laptop HD is at 47C20:31
taconeRainCT: check again20:31
tacones/check/please check/20:31
lukehasnonamesorry wrong window20:32
RainCTtacone: I can look at it in ~1 hour if you want20:34
taconeRainCT: again ?20:35
taconeRainCT: sorry, cancel my last msg.20:35
taconeRainCT: yes, that would be ok.20:35
Laneytacone: The bug closing format is (LP: #xxxx)20:37
LaneyAnd your changelog entry could do with being a bit more descriptive ;)20:37
taconeLaney: sure could be more descriptive.20:38
taconeLaney: I am not sure about the bug format not being parsed. guess it's ok like that.20:38
LaneyI don't know to be honest20:39
LaneyBut it's sure to work the other way20:39
taconeLaney: checking it out  :)20:39
taconeLaney:  you seem to be correct. I'll fix that.20:47
* Laney high fives tacone 20:47
* Laney -> dinner20:47
tacone:)20:48
sistpotyScottK: finally finished with writing the gems mail: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41674/21:12
sistpotyScottK: it's a little bit biased towards my opinion, so please state what you don't think that motu-release agreed upon/found out21:12
sistpoty(oh, and a personal follow-up is contained in there as well, just ignore that *g*)21:13
ScottKsistpoty: Personally I'd make more of the mislabling of the snapshot as an RC.  I think it's deceitful.21:18
ScottKI'd also point out that the avenue of appeal is to the MOTU Council.21:19
ScottKGenerally I think it's good.21:19
* ScottK needs to run off, so do what you think is best.21:19
sistpotyScottK: avenue of appeal? does that mean way for complaints? (-ENONATIVESPEAKER)21:20
sistpoty(or anyone else that can help me translate *g*)21:20
ScottKYes.21:20
sistpotyok, thanks ScottK21:20
ScottKIf they are unwilling to accept the decision, that's who they should go to.21:21
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liwif I want to upload two packages to REVU, and the second one depends on the first one, should I wait uploading the second until the first one has been processed and accepted into main?21:40
RainCTliw: that isn't required, but it would make it easier to review the second package21:43
sistpotyScottK: still around? http://paste.ubuntu.com/41683/ (any other native speaker, please tell me if I got that "order of appeal" thingy right *g*)21:45
RainCTsistpoty: as nobody answers, it sounds strange to me, though I'm not a native speaker neither. googling it seems like "order" in this context means "request". "avenue" (="means of attainment"), which ScottK used, seems more likely to be right21:49
directhexhurrah. lpia added to architecture fields in mono in debian. one ubuntuism down.21:50
Laneysistpoty: How about "you are free to escalate this to motu-council"21:52
sistpotyRainCT: thanks... /me shouldn't use phrase he doesn't know21:53
sistpotyLaney: ok, thanks, will modify accordingly :)21:53
LaneyI think there's an idiom for this, but I can't quite conjour it up21:53
Laneysistpoty: While you're here, do you think there is any chance of a ghc 6.8.3 in Intrepid?21:54
RainCTtacone: man.. nested diffs are confusing :)21:54
RainCTtacone: looks good21:54
sistpotyLaney: actually not with FF having started already... that might mean a complete haskell transition again, which I don't think should be done during FF21:55
Laneysistpoty: Yeah, apparently "most library APIs have not changed" but I guess that's still too much, eh?21:56
LaneyIt gives some nice speedups to compiled code though, shame :(21:56
taconeRainCT: nice :)21:57
sistpotyLaney: the problem is that a newer ghc release doesn't necessarily grant a stable ABI, so all libraries would need to be rebuilt21:57
Laney:(21:57
sistpotyLaney: in case you're motivated enough igloo asked for help maintaining the debian ghc package (which I tend not to diverge from too much)21:58
taconeRainCT: will you sponsor it then ?21:59
directhexjust how valuable is symlinking to a common /usr/share/doc directory, if it were the only diff from debian?22:01
sistpotydirecthex: depends on the size of that directory... (and if it's used by a cd-image usually out of disk space)22:02
RainCTtacone: Sure. I'm test building it right now. I also did another little change (improving the description, which was scaring me :P. as the package is maintained in Ubuntu we can do such stuff), but don't worry, I've left your name in the signature :)22:04
taconeRainCT: thank you. I am not good at rephrasing things.22:05
directhexsistpoty, if i can make other, bigger savings?22:05
RainCTwow you can do ugly things with memaker :P  (and it works fine with python2.4 after applying the patch)22:05
sistpotydirecthex: sounds like you need an FFe then :P22:05
directhexsistpoty, intrepid+122:06
* Laney remembers to make a new horrible LP avatar with the new memaker22:06
sistpotydirecthex: did you check yet, *why* this change was done in the first place=22:07
Laneytacone: glyphface is buggy :(22:07
directhexsistpoty, "* Symlink doc directories to avoid duplicate files."22:07
taconeLaney: what you mean ?22:07
nxvl\o/22:07
RainCTtacone: uploaded22:07
Laneytacone: It doesn't work - I can't change anything except the face shape. All of the other sets work though22:08
taconeRainCT: thanks :)22:08
sistpotydirecthex: what would be the reason to drop this change? can we sync from then on?22:08
directhexsistpoty, that's my goal22:08
taconeLaney: that's an upstream bug.22:08
Laneytacone: I thought you were upstream :O22:08
taconeLaney: not. Jason Browser's the project leader.22:08
sistpotydirecthex: just avoiding duplicate files doesn't sound like a good reason to me, so imho drop it22:09
* RainCT confirms that22:09
taconeLaney: I did nothing for memaker, but a little refactoring of the source structure.22:09
sistpotydirecthex: unless the reason was to gain cd-spac22:09
Laneytacone: OK!22:09
sistpoty+e22:09
taconeLaney: would you open a bug ?22:09
Laneytacone: Yes, let me check in #memaker first though22:09
directhexsistpoty, other plans at the debian level should mean major (i really mean major) savings22:09
taconeoddly enough, no exception is outputted to the command linke22:10
sistpotydirecthex: who did the changes in the first place, maybe that might give a clue on the (often forgotten) why the change was done?22:10
directhexsistpoty, doko22:10
sistpotydirecthex: and which package?22:11
directhexsistpoty, mono22:11
sistpotydirecthex: oh... mono... so it's in ubuntu-desktop... and there's some space constraints22:11
sistpotydirecthex: imho better to keep that change then22:11
directhexsistpoty, we're workig on some really major major space savings22:12
sistpotydirecthex: but still, every bit counts for -desktop (sadly, that's a reason for abominations in recommends)22:12
directhexsistpoty, doko's change saved, on hardy, inside the squashfs, 756k. not sure how much that means post-squashing22:13
sistpotydirecthex: finally, I guess slomo might be the one who could answer you question better than me, if he were around22:13
directhexpresumably about 1/3 of that22:13
sistpotydirecthex: let's assume it's 300k... even that is a reasonable amount for -desktop22:14
sistpoty+ images22:14
directhexcurrent plans with the debian-mono team should rip out several meg22:14
sistpotydirecthex: but you'd gain several megs + 300k, right?22:14
directhexsistpoty, yes22:14
sistpotydirecthex: that's even better then ;)22:15
directhexsistpoty, phase 1 of the project will save 10 meg in-squash (and about 40% of the space saved by those doc symlinks)22:17
RainCTtacone: did you know that you've also fixed bug 260888 and it's duplicate? :P22:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 260888 in memaker "package memaker 0.9.4-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso post-installation script devolvi? el c?digo de salida de error 1" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26088822:18
directhexsistpoty, phase 2 will save a further 4 or so meg. that's the plan, anyway22:18
sistpotydirecthex: sure, but let's add phase 3 (symlink) to save another 300k... isn't that even better?22:19
taconeRainCT:  let me check. btw good move to change description. I changed it some time ago, but never committed the diff to launchpad. the description was just horrible.22:19
directhexsistpoty, it violates debian policy without awkward changes to the build process22:19
sistpotydirecthex: how so?22:19
directhexsistpoty, "/usr/share/doc/package may be a symbolic link to another directory in /usr/share/doc only if the two packages both come from the same source and the first package Depends on the second. These rules are important because copyrights must be extractable by mechanical means. "22:20
taconeRainCT: actually that bug was already fixed I believe.22:20
directhexsistpoty, that Depends: breaks some of the automated dependency building we use22:20
sistpotydirecthex: ah, I think I start to understand22:21
taconeits duplicate was actually introducted by me, as I incorrectly ported the patch to the new upstream version22:21
sistpotydirecthex: so the symlinked thingy is part of a package, which might not be in depends any longer, right?22:21
directhexsistpoty, right. short version is, i got my way with adding lpia to debian/control in debian, but i won't get it with doc dir symlilnking22:22
sistpotydirecthex: ok, then just kick that diff, if general savings are better22:22
directhexsistpoty, i'm also poking upstream to update one of their lib dependencies to one in main (currently we use a horrid hack to move the recommends to suggests due to main/universe issues)22:22
RainCTtacone: It's usually a good idea to check all bug reports against a package when you are wokring on it (for packages with lots of reports that'd be just look at the titles, no need to read them all), as you may find some other change which you can get into the same upload or find old bugs which can be closed (I just got ride of 5 or 6 :P)22:23
taconeyes, I learned that lesson when you warned me about the duplicates being closed.22:25
taconeI incorrectly assumed the launchpad search for duplicates when filing a new bug was powerful enough.22:25
directhexsistpoty, this chart relates to a different mono app to those on the cd (f-spot and tomboy), but most of the deps are the same in the top 2 sections: http://paste.debian.net/15754/22:28
directhexsistpoty, package sizes are for debian, not ubuntu, not that it makes much difference. those prefixed with an "X" will be removed from the dep chains for mono apps post-lenny22:29
lukehasnonameQuick MOTU related question: When setting up my gpg key and other information, is it required to use my real full name, or would "Luke has no name" be acceptable? My last name is unique enough that I don't care for it to be all over the internet.22:31
sistpotydirecthex: I'm not sure that I understand these numbers right now (getting sleepy a little bit)... however if there's no hard dependency, symlinking is the wrong thing, so get rid of it22:31
sistpotylukehasnoname: it's good practice to use the real name... that's not necessarily a policy (for ubuntu) and other people might disagree. For debian, you should use the real name though.22:32
directhexsistpoty, since mono's in main, should i check with someone else first? i'm not 100% sure on protocol, nor who's able to pass judgement on what22:32
sistpotydirecthex: not too sure, I always thought that slomo and you would be the mono guys ;)22:33
sistpotydirecthex: of course, you'll need a FFe, since these changes seem to be quite big22:33
directhexsistpoty, they cannot go into intrepid. sorry. still planning stages22:33
directhexsistpoty, and losing the doc symlilnking makes no sense until the other savings kick in22:34
sistpotydirecthex: them what's the problem?22:34
directhexsistpoty, i'm thinking of the future! i'm one of those big picture guys who drinks posh coffee22:34
directhexwell. starbucks.22:35
sistpotydirecthex: I guess the debian mono people should be able to tell you if your patches are future-proof, don't you think?22:35
directhexsistpoty, the debian mono people (well, meebey & me) are the ones planning the architectural shrinkage. i'm just looking to make "sync mono, don't merge" my personal goal for intrepid+1. down to 2 non-changelog differences right now, one of which is the symlinking. since it was someone outside the usual debian mono circles, i want to make sure i talk to the right people about dropping it, if indeed dropping it is an option22:39
sistpotydirecthex: well, I can't say I know about mono, but what I stated so far is still true. you cannot symlink if there is no hard dependency (otherwise debian/copyright might get lost, which would be an immediate rejected)22:41
sistpotys/rejected/reject reason/22:41
lukehasnonamesistpoty: Alright, well, I'm sticking with my IRC name, and see how long it takes to get lectured :) The internets are a dangerous place. Back to the peanut gallery for me.22:41
directhexsistpoty, i know people are busy thinking about intrepid right now (and i think mono in intrepid is almost in great shape, barring 2 packages with open syncmerge bugs). but i'm working with a debian team here. even intrepid+1 is wishful, you know what debian slippage is like ;)22:42
directhexlukehasnoname, it's down to how you understand the web of trust, IMHO22:42
sistpotylukehasnoname: heh... btw. I find your nick quite funny, as I'm (for unknown reasons) often read "lukehasnoSONAME" *g*22:42
directhexlukehasnoname, i'm an opponent of ID-based verification before signing gpg keys, because i think it utterly misses how the web works22:43
sistpotydirecthex: sure, and I fully believe thinking ahead makes a lot of sense... thanks for that!22:43
directhexlukehasnoname, directhex, some faceless sarcasm factory from irc, has packages in debbuntu. sistpoty here has spoken to directhex, he has no idea who jo shields is22:44
lukehasnonamesistpoty: o_O I'm trying to catch the joke but I fail. directhex, are you saying you are an opponent of people being required to give their true identity, or ANY identity?22:44
directhexsistpoty, i think the debian-java team have a *lot* of work ahead of them if they ever want to fit java apps onto the ubuntu cd though22:45
directhexlukehasnoname, i think online identity and offline identity are often not the same thing, and i oppose arbitrary linking of them22:45
sistpotylukehasnoname: no, it's rather that SONAME is an essential piece when coming to library packaging... and my brain just plays tricks on me when reading your nick22:45
directhexlukehasnoname, especially in (all too common in FOSS cases) aspergers sufferers, the two people may have nothing in common22:45
sistpotylukehasnoname: the s and n is just too close I guess *g*22:46
lukehasnonamedirecthex: then we are in agreement. The fact I use my first name as part of my online tag is enough for me. A reference to Final Fantasy 7 (Cait Sith Cat) was not 'professional' enough, so I changed. And I get it now sistpoty, and you're going to Hell directhex22:47
sistpotyheh22:48
RainCTsistpoty: btw, have you seen https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/revu/+spec/activity-scores?22:52
sistpotyRainCT: no, have just looked at it22:54
sistpotyRainCT: that's an interesting idea, which is I think *partly* covered by the current algorithm22:54
sistpotyRainCT: and *no*, I won't make that sql query even more complex *g*, but feel free to do so22:55
sistpoty(or maybe rather clean it up in the first place, or do subqueries in for each row)22:56
RainCTsistpoty: damn :P. well, do you have any comment on how to calculate the number?22:59
RainCTsistpoty: ah, and another question.. does psql support procedures? (I've heard about them today for the first time but perhaps they could be useful)22:59
sistpotyRainCT: 1) no, not really... would be best to ask on ubuntu-motu ml for a algorithm, I'm quite sure that persia might have a good idea ;)23:02
sistpotyRainCT: 2) yes, psql does support views, as well as stored procudures (iirc, there even exists a mechanism to write python stored procuderes, but I haven't tried that myself yet)23:03
sistpotys/procuderes/something that is more legible *g*/23:04
apacheloggermeh23:05
* apachelogger should read IRC backlog before mails23:06
RainCTapachelogger: nice application :P23:06
apacheloggerRainCT: thanks ;-)23:06
sistpotyoh apachelogger: since ScottK found problems with your patch, I think I'll need to review it tomorrow again (-ENOTTOOSOBERRIGHTNOW)... but still I think finding out what went wrong is a great techical achievement!23:08
apacheloggerwell, the problem was a stupid copy'n'paste23:09
apacheloggersistpoty: meanwhile I uploaded the lsb additions, so I guess it's even again ;-)23:10
sistpotyheh :)23:10
* apachelogger moves out to bring a drunken friend home23:10
apacheloggercya23:10
sistpotyScottK: I'll upload the reversion of libgems-ruby in a few minutes, if you don't mind, ok?23:16
RainCTsistpoty: I'm checking the postgresql docs. Using Python might be the best (so that we don't have to use another language which we don't know), but I'm not sure if we should use procedures or not, as they are more difficult to change than having the code in .py files.23:21
sistpotyRainCT: I'm not too sure either... if it makes the code more clean, I'23:21
sistpoty+m all for it23:21
sistpotyRainCT: others than that, the current index page query (even though it's a single query) consumes quite some time in postgres23:22
sistpotyRainCT: so I'm not convinced if just splitting it to smaller queries/or having more queries will be bad for the general revu speed23:22
sistpotyRainCT: if you want to be 100% sure about speed issues though, I think there is a mechanism to show the actual query details of psql (maybe prefix a query with analyze... ) but I think that might be overkill to look for ;)23:24
RainCTsistpoty: may that be "explain"?23:28
RainCT("explain ..query.." says something like "cost=0.00..1.04". "analyze" can only be used against tables)23:29
sistpotyRainCT: that may well be (maybe it's analyze in oracle then... was some time ago since I had knowledge about sql-servers)23:29
RainCTsistpoty: uhm.. nice :P  http://paste.ubuntu.com/41702/plain/23:31
sistpotyyep, that was it :)23:31
RainCTsistpoty: well, I'll let you work on libgems-ruby now :)   good night23:31
RainCTthanks23:32
sistpotyRainCT: heh23:32
sistpotyRainCT: looks like the union thingy wasn't a good idea after all *g*23:32
sistpoty(at least from what I make from it right now)23:33
sistpotygn8 RainCT23:34
taconehow to search launchpad for bugs related to a given package ?23:38
gesernavigate to the source package and view the bugs tab23:40
taconethanks geser23:44

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