[00:14] <lolufail> does the standard mkinitramfs command detect a xfs over lvm over dm-crypt over md-raid setup?
[01:40] <lolufail> heeelo?
[01:42] <acemo> hey lolufail
[01:42] <acemo> i got it to work :)
[01:42] <lolufail> congratz
[01:42] <acemo> it was mod_userdir that i needed
[01:43] <lolufail> I'm actually looking for help myself ;)
[01:43] <acemo> only its <ip>/~username instead of <ip>/username now but thats fine
[01:43] <acemo> whats your problem?
[01:44] <lolufail> "does the standard mkinitramfs command detect a xfs over lvm over dm-crypt over md-raid setup?"
[01:45] <acemo> ok i lost it at mkinitramfs, sorry hope someone else can help you.. you tried your best to help me so i think you should be helped too! <tries to do some research for you>
[01:50] <lolufail> ;)
[01:50] <lolufail> thanks :)
[02:03] <linuxpoet> any ubuntu folks in here familiar with postgresql
[02:09] <NCommander> linuxpoet, I am
[02:10] <linuxpoet> I need someone who would be willing to give a talk on optimize and configuring postgresql, the ubuntu way
[02:12] <NCommander> for what, UDW?
[02:14] <linuxpoet> http://www.postgresqlconference.org/
[02:17] <Karamon> How can I begin to troubleshoot a networking issue with ubuntu server 8.10 running it w/VMWare player with the official ubuntu image, I can run the desktop version with no issues but the server edition isn't working for me
[02:18] <NCommander> linuxpoet, I can't claim an being an expert on postgres optimization
[02:18] <NCommander> I'm sorry
[02:19] <linuxpoet> That's ok. I would give the talk myself but I am running the conference :P
[02:21] <NCommander> rofl
[02:21] <NCommander> I'd also assume I'd need to be in person which would be troublesome unless its based in NYS
[02:21] <linuxpoet> NYS?
[02:21] <linuxpoet> Oh NY State
[02:21] <linuxpoet> actually that isn't as much of a problem, that is what sponsorship is for
[02:24] <NCommander> Well, I can give the configuration part
[02:24] <NCommander> But I'm not that much of an expert in optimization
[02:24] <NCommander> (I do use postgresql in production enviornments, I'm one of the coders of Ubuntu REVU which is Postgres based)
[02:25]  * linuxpoet is one of the lead consultants for http://www.commandprompt.com/
[02:25] <NCommander> I am however a very quick study ;-)
[02:25] <Karamon> Anyone know how to troubleshoot a VMWare network issue?  eth0 won't come up with some weird errors.
[02:26] <linuxpoet> Karamon: perhaps an explanation of the errors would be helpful
[02:27] <NCommander> linuxpoet, what extactly did you want in this conference?
[02:28] <Karamon> http://pastebin.com/d4c20c99e
[02:28] <linuxpoet> Well obviously it is a postgresql conference
[02:28] <linuxpoet> but mostly I am trying to show postgresql's flexibility
[02:28] <NCommander> I realize that :-P
[02:28] <NCommander> I mean what did you want an Ubuntu developer to talk about specifically, I can give configuration (and given some time, optimization)
[02:29] <linuxpoet> That is a tough one because obviously linux is linux (for this consideration)
[02:29] <linuxpoet> But since IMO Ubuntu is the shiznit I wanted Ubuntu to represent
[02:29] <NCommander> Well, Postgres is similar enoughly configured between Ubuntu and Debian
[02:29] <NCommander> Wrapping the two together shouldn't be that hard
[02:30] <linuxpoet> Karamon: what happens if you /sbin/ifconfig
[02:30] <linuxpoet> and I assume this is on the guest? not the host?
[02:31] <Karamon> Running the server inside windows ( I think is what your asking )
[02:31] <Karamon> linuxpoet: Only thing that really sucks is I have to hand type out the output
[02:31] <linuxpoet> you are running windows as the host?
[02:32] <linuxpoet> wow
[02:32] <NCommander> Gutsy ;-)
[02:33] <Karamon> I had to give up my dedicated box that I used to run my web server on, now I'm trying out the virtual appliance
[02:33] <lolufail> does the standard mkinitramfs command detect a xfs over lvm over dm-crypt over md-raid setup?
[02:34] <linuxpoet> gutsy is one term for it
[02:34] <linuxpoet> or pun
[02:36] <Karamon> linuxpoet: http://pastebin.com/d2c59df38
[02:36] <linuxpoet> well that is certainly a non detected eth0
[02:36] <linuxpoet> check your dmesg to see if it sees anything at all
[02:43] <Karamon> linuxpoet: http://pastebin.com/d1904e45c
[02:43] <linuxpoet> ok it sees it
[02:43] <linuxpoet> so try this
[02:44] <linuxpoet> ->/sbin/ifconfig eth0
[02:44] <Karamon> eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[02:44] <lolufail> dmesg | grep eth0
[02:45] <lolufail> oh nevermind ;)
[02:46] <lolufail> but wait, that's weird:
[02:46] <lolufail> cat dmesg | grep eth0
[02:46] <lolufail> [  64.136139] e1000: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection
[02:46] <linuxpoet> lolufail: dmesg|grep would have worked too
[02:46] <lolufail> tell me where you see "eth0" there?
[02:47] <lolufail> the output is forged ;)
[02:47] <Karamon> Yeah I have to hand type it, that was a mistake on my part
[02:47] <Karamon> I can't cut and paste from a VM appliance
[02:48] <lolufail> do a:
[02:48] <lolufail> brctl show
[02:48] <Karamon> not installed and I can't install it without a network connection :P
[02:48] <lolufail> k
[02:49] <lolufail> I think your eth0 has been renamed, that's the only thing I can think of
[02:49] <lolufail> grep eth /var/log/messages
[02:49] <lolufail> grep eth /var/log/kern.log
[02:51] <lolufail> what VM software are you using?
[02:51] <Karamon> VMWare Player.. 2.0.4 build 93057
[02:54] <Karamon> All refrences in log say eth0
[02:54] <lolufail> hm, I can only speak from my xen experience... if eth0 suddenly disappears, the bridge script failed...
[02:57] <lolufail> what does ifconfig -a say?
[02:57] <lolufail> any new interfaces?
[03:00] <Karamon> Yes there is eth1, but ifup doesn't work says not configured
[03:00] <Karamon> How do I configure it?
[03:00] <Deeps> edit /etc/network/interfaces
[03:01] <Karamon> ... that was strange, but I'm glad it was that simple
[03:01] <Karamon> Thanks for the help everyone :)
[03:06] <lolufail> np :D
[03:06] <lolufail> uhm there is a cache file
[03:06] <lolufail> wait
[03:06] <lolufail> ah
[03:06] <lolufail> yeah
[03:06] <lolufail> udev is the evil person
[03:06] <lolufail> aaaat
[03:07] <lolufail>  /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[03:07] <lolufail> should be an entry making your network eth1
[03:07] <lolufail> ->eth0.
[03:07] <lolufail> done.
[03:08] <Karamon> updateing/upgrading then I will check it out, thanks :)
[03:12] <tarvid> what's the easiest way to get bind9 to start at boot
[03:15] <lolufail> I like sysv-rc-conf
[03:15] <lolufail> though it should start automatically if im not mistaken
[03:16] <tarvid> it should
[03:18] <nodoubt> ﻿can bind run correctly from var/lib/named/etc ? is this a newbie friendly location for bind to live?
[03:28] <tarvid> lolufail, puzzled. restart at 20:58:04
[03:28] <lolufail> hm?
[03:28] <tarvid> 21:27:07 bind starts (manually)
[03:28] <tarvid> sysv marked for 2,3,4,5
[03:29] <tarvid> no " bind" messages inbetween
[03:30] <lolufail> tarvid: hm.
[03:31] <lolufail> well, are you in one of those runelvels ;) ?
[03:32] <tarvid> I am in gnome and bind9 looks like mysql, cvsd, ntop in sysv but bind9 does not start automatically but starts manually
[03:33] <lolufail> sry, I dont know. I'm more a gentoo guy ;)
[03:33] <lolufail> rc-status would be helpful ;)
[03:35] <tarvid> how do I get that
[03:35] <lolufail> you dont
[03:35] <lolufail> gentoo tool :P
[03:36] <lolufail> did you check all the logs for messages at boot time coming from bind?
[03:36] <tarvid> there are none
[03:36] <tarvid> there is an amazing amount of crap I could probably live without
[03:36] <tarvid> bind may be stuck behind something else like winbindd
[03:38] <tarvid> rc-alert is impressively long
[03:44] <tarvid> I guess I can get used to starting it manually until I get around to reloading
[03:45] <tarvid> several upgrades without a reload and this is the box where things get vetted
[03:45] <tarvid> i set bind up as a caching webserver because my upstream server is funky
[03:47] <favro> I use an old comp at home for a file server - is it healthy to have the hard disks spinning down when not in use?
[03:50] <tarvid> favro, an ancient argument
[03:51] <tarvid> I never spin down
[03:51] <tarvid> but I have had a few hard drive failures
[03:52] <tarvid> I suspect there is more risk in spinning up and down is greater than leaving them spinning
[03:52] <favro> tarvid: I changed it in bios this morn and later I accessed one drive and it fired up with a grating noise...
[03:52] <tarvid> backup now
[03:52] <favro> so I'm concerned
[03:52] <tarvid> get another drive
[03:52] <favro> tarvid: already done
[03:53] <tarvid> good man
[03:53] <tarvid> raspy power outages seen particularly dangerous too
[03:53] <tarvid> I put all my systems on a UPS so the ups and downs are minimized
[03:55] <favro> my disks on the little server can go a few days without being accessed so I wanted to save some power
[03:56] <tarvid> little used and stable data might be served well by flash
[03:57] <tarvid> looking at little falls boards for low power servers
[03:58] <favro> that's why I'm in two minds - it is a file server/torrent box/mythtv backend - it can be busy for days or idla for days
[03:58] <favro> *idle
[03:59] <tarvid> intel little falls should be good for that
[04:00] <tarvid> haven't looked for low power hard disks
[04:00] <tarvid> capturing video can get huge
[04:06] <tarvid> lolufail, thanks for the counsel, installed bum, it's cute
[05:32] <lamont> ScottK: how is it that your debdiff doesn't change debian/rules?
[05:33] <ScottK> lamont: Because I stared at your debian/rules for a while and then concluded I didn't understand it well enough to integrate it.
[05:33] <lamont> heh. ok.
[05:33] <lamont> you thinking /usr/sbin for it?
[05:33] <ScottK> lamont: I left this to you (we've discussed this a while ago)
[05:33] <ScottK> Yes.
[05:34] <ScottK> I tried to give them specific enough names that would be OK.
[05:37] <lamont> and I forgive you for having a changelog diff in your diff. :-)
[05:38] <ScottK> Well it applied at the time I uploaded it ...
[05:38] <ScottK> Easy enough to edit out anyway.
[05:38] <lamont> yeah, but having changelog in commits is guaranteed non-mergabliilty
[05:38] <lamont> yep
[05:38] <lamont>   [Scott Kitterman]
[05:38] <lamont>   * Add postfix-add-{filter,policy} scripts for easier integration of
[05:38] <lamont>     same.  LP: #247332
[05:39] <ScottK> You and your new fangled VCS stuff.... Bah.
[05:39] <ScottK> Great.
[05:39] <lamont> committed in 2.5.4-2, and building to test here
[05:39] <ScottK> Great.  Did you add Cocker's dechroot script?
[05:39] <lamont> meh
[05:40] <lamont> I added your debdiff from your last comment on 247332
[05:40] <ScottK> It was suggested to me on postfix-users that such a script would be a good idea.  I said I'd talk to you about it.  I've done that.
[05:40] <ScottK> Thanks.
[05:40] <lamont> heh.  I haven't seen his script, so I don't exactly have enough to render an opinion on the subject
[05:41] <lamont> OTOH, I do need to go get some shuteye so that I can wake up in the morning and all that
[05:47] <ScottK> Bah.  That's what coffee is for.
[05:57] <lukehasnoname> I just ate a snickers, drank a Rock Star Espresso, and am considering staying up all night
[05:57] <lukehasnoname> but if I do that, I want to be productive.
[05:58] <lukehasnoname> like learning Python, or PyGTK, or packaging debs
[08:10] <_ba> can someone help me out there with a santity check i'm trying to firewall my box but when i am applying rules to incoming traffic i loose connectitivy out does this make any sense?
[11:02] <spiekey> hello!
[11:03] <spiekey> i would like to use pidstat but i read i need to build my own kernel for it.
[11:04] <spiekey> ...With its -d option, pidstat can report I/O statistics, providing that you have a recent Linux kernel (2.6.20+) with the option CONFIG_TASK_IO_ACCOUNTING compiled in...
[11:04] <spiekey> however, there is no such option in the current 2.6.25 release
[11:04] <spiekey> any idea?
[13:00] <nxvl> good morning everyone!
[13:02] <Koon> hey nxvl, I guess congratulations are in order
[13:03]  * Koon orders Pisco for the whole table
[13:04] <zul> hey hxvl
[13:08] <nxvl> Koon: heh, thank you
[13:22] <Koon> coffeedude: hello Jerry. That's Thierry here. Did you have time to look at our pam configuration issue ?
[13:23] <coffeedude> Koon: Hey. I'm working on it.    Just not done yet.  Is thre a bug in LP on it I should update ?  Or just send you mail?
[13:24] <Koon> coffedude: bug 262264
[13:24] <coffeedude> Thanks.
[13:28] <Koon> coffeedude: if you want to take advantage of the new pam-updating tools of intrepid and need some introduction to them, I can set something up with someone that knows them better than I do
[13:28] <coffeedude> Koon: Thanks. I might do that.  Just need a bit more time to dig into it.
[14:24] <dendrobates> Koon: have you retested likewise-open in the last few days?
[14:33] <Koon> dendrobates: I tested the one in intrepid a couple of days ago
[14:34] <dendrobates> Koon: I just wanted to make sure it wasn't fixed in Steve's last upload of the pam stuff.
[14:34] <Koon> dendrobates: I retested it just before filig the bug. But there may have been another pam upload after
[16:33]  * nijaba takes a break
[16:34] <nijaba> I am dropping Stella at a friend and will be back
[16:34] <tacone> hello, virt-manager I get "Paravirtualized" grayed out. doesn't that work with qemu ?
[16:34] <Deeps> dont think so
[16:35] <tacone> ok, thanks
[16:35] <Deeps> you'll want kvm or vmware for paravirtualisation i think
[16:35] <nijaba> oops that was the wrong chan
[16:35] <tacone> Deeps: I installed kvm, but it doesn't show in the list. I only have xen and qemu
[16:36] <tacone> oh, maybe I need a modified kernel on the host machine ? I thought it was about the guest kernel.
[16:40] <Deeps> afaik kvm support's integrated into the stock ubuntu kernel
[16:40] <Deeps> i could be wrong
[16:41] <tacone> uhm. weird. ok let's leave it alone. fully virt will be ok as well.
[18:30] <zul> mathiaz: ping
[18:30] <mathiaz> zul: sure I'm around !
[18:30] <zul> mathiaz: for #262715 mysql_odbc_escape_string has been removed in 5.0.67 according to the release notes should I put that as wont-fix?
[18:33] <mathiaz> zul: well -it seems that odbc is broken then
[18:33] <mathiaz> zul: the bug may be invalid for mysql-dfsg-5.0, but valid for odbc
[18:33] <zul> mathiaz: *sigh* :)
[18:34] <mathiaz> zul: it seems that myodbc would be the correct package.
[18:35] <zul> mathiaz: ok, we should update that package then
[18:35]  * mathiaz nods
[18:35] <zul> ill put it on my todo list
[19:32] <macd_> mathiaz, here?
[19:36] <mathiaz> macd_: yes
[19:40] <macd_> I just caught up with the libgems discussion
[19:40] <macd_> actually be back in a sec, work calls
[19:40] <macd_> sorry
[19:48] <zul> lallala i hate libtool
[21:21] <soren> I need a DNS wiz to explain something to me.
[21:22] <soren> I've registered a domain, jungberg.dk. If I do a "host -t ns jungberg.dk", I get the correct response.
[21:22] <soren> However...
[21:22] <soren> If I do what I thought a DNS server would do to find that answer for me, I come up empty.
[21:22] <soren> Here's what I think it does:
[21:23] <soren> It finds the name server for the .dk tld.
[21:23] <soren> ...so I do a "host -t ns dk.", and get [abclps].nic.dk.
[21:24] <soren> Then, it asks one of those for the NS for jungberg.dk.
[21:24] <soren> ...so I do a "host -t ns jungberg.dk. a.nic.dk".
[21:24] <soren> And that's where my world falls apart.
[21:24] <soren> I get jungberg.dk has no NS record
[21:24] <soren> I get the same result if I ask [bclps].nic.dk.
[21:25] <soren> whiskey... tango... foxtrot...
[21:25] <soren> Can someone explain this to me?
[22:01] <soren> Can I at least hear someone say that "yes, that really *does* look weird"?
[22:01] <jmedina> Yes, that really does look weird, dont say thanks...
[22:07] <soren> jmedina: Don't worry. I won't :)
[22:07] <nxvl> \o/
[22:40] <fromport> soren: since a.nic.dk is not authoritive name server for your domain, it will respond with the "no NS record"
[22:40] <fromport> only  host -t ns jungberg.dk ns[1 till 5].gratisdns.dk. will answer that posive
[22:45] <qhartman> so, I've been working with getting some Xen stuff going, and I noticed today that my hardy VM's stopped in the boot process just after "Reloading OpenBSD Secure Shell server's configuration sshd"
[22:45] <qhartman> I figured it was a Xen thing, but I rebooted the host, and now it's doing the same thing. Any thoughts?
[22:46] <qhartman> I can still get in via SSH, but logging into the local tty is impossible.
[22:47] <qhartman> huh, it looks like it is somehow related to Xen.... when I forced a reboot some error messages including "xm " flashed by real quick... wheee!
[22:56] <soren> fromport: Erm.. No.
[22:57] <soren> fromport: Ok, answer me this: How did you come up with ns[1-5].gratisdns.dk?
[22:57] <soren> fromport: (supposed) answer: based on the ns responses from a.nic.dk, right?
[22:57] <soren> *those* are the ones, I'm not receiving.
[22:57] <soren> And *that's* what I don't get.
[22:58] <soren> fromport: It wouldn't work if the only way to find out which server was the authoritative one, was to ask the authoritative one.