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JontheEchidnaand yes, the redland strigi backend does suck00:00
Riddellnepomuk not strigi00:00
apacheloggergraphic glitches ftw00:02
apacheloggerS:00:02
apacheloggerRiddell: bug 256261 pretty pretty please00:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 256261 in kdebase-workspace "keyboard won't work loginmanager starts" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25626100:03
ScottKcrimsun lived in DC and Laserjock lives in NM.00:04
ScottKlived/lives00:04
ScottKBTW, the thing where you can move other people was no bug, it was a designed feature.00:04
Riddell'dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt-nl "4:4.1.0-0ubuntu9"'   apachelogger what's the lt-nl ?00:07
ScottKI think it's less than, not equal00:08
apacheloggerThese treat an empty version as later than any version: lt-nl le-nl ge-nl gt-n00:08
* JontheEchidna wonders how his network is actually working, since knetworkmanager has been a grey globe for the past day or two00:11
Riddellapachelogger: have you tested this?00:12
apacheloggerRiddell: see ScottK's comment... I lost one line due to copying stuff around00:13
apacheloggerreadded that in v200:13
apacheloggerRiddell: so yes, it's tested00:13
goatsocksJontheEchidna: bug 259278 ?00:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 259278 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager will no longer connect" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25927800:18
JontheEchidnauh, I guess00:18
JontheEchidna...my internets are still working though. Else you couldn't see this message :P00:19
Riddellasac decided to update network-manager without checking that it worked with knetworkmanager first00:19
apacheloggerknetworkmanager must be a 2nd class citizen then :P00:19
JontheEchidna:P00:19
JontheEchidnablue-headed stepchild!00:20
goatsocksJontheEchidna: the bug encompasses more than connection problems, seems to be NM 0.7 API breakages all over00:20
* apachelogger hugs kernel 2.6.26 and boots his hardy VM00:20
* JontheEchidna resolves not to reboot in feat of breakage00:21
JontheEchidna*fear00:21
goatsocksjust made a post to kde-devel inquiring the general status of NM development, hopefully someone will clear up everything00:21
goatsockshttp://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&r=1&b=200808&w=200:21
apacheloggerI didn't do a real reboot of my laptop in 3 weeks :P00:21
apacheloggeronly hibernated all the time00:21
JontheEchidnaand yay, konq crashes00:22
JontheEchidnaany way I can manually disable apport?00:22
apacheloggermy konq is loosing the addressbar all the time00:22
* JontheEchidna hugs the regular KDE crash notifier00:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: no, apport is patched in00:22
JontheEchidna:(00:23
apacheloggeryou can disable it I guess, but then you don't get any crahs handler00:23
* JontheEchidna grumbles and looks for a kcrash file00:23
RiddellJontheEchidna: /etc/defaults/apport00:24
JontheEchidnathx00:24
Riddellshould revert to KDE crash handler00:24
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: suggestions abou that strigi bug?00:24
JontheEchidnauh00:25
* apachelogger notes that this is minor than minor00:25
apacheloggera) strigi-daemon isn't installed by default00:25
apacheloggerb) nepomuk doesn't start it by default00:25
JontheEchidnamaybe have a patch in whichever package nepomunk is00:25
apacheloggerc) there isn't a gui for it at all00:25
JontheEchidnathat creates a symlink?00:25
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: krunner can use it for desktop search00:25
JontheEchidnaif you enable the XESAM search krunner plugin00:26
* JontheEchidna wouldn't bother though00:26
apacheloggerd) there is a crappy gui which is not active by default :P00:26
JontheEchidnasince strigi does end up eating gigs of disk space00:26
JontheEchidnaWe should just invalidate the bug since it's filed against PPA packages and laugh00:26
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: won't fix + explaining above point + saying it is working in intrepid00:27
* JontheEchidna can't set bugs to won't fix00:27
apacheloggeroh00:27
* JontheEchidna needs either bug powers or motu00:27
apacheloggerI don't want to  :P00:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug closed00:32
JontheEchidnathanks00:32
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mcasgood morning08:48
mcascan you tell me if there is a plan to build koffice2 alpha 10 packages for hardy?08:49
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apacheloggerRiddell: is anyone going to package koffice2 alpha10?11:37
Riddellapachelogger: is that's 1.9.95.10 then I already have11:39
apachelogger  koffice-1.9.95.10.tar.bz211:39
apacheloggeryes11:39
* apachelogger tells the kubuntu-de guys to publish a news 11:39
apacheloggerRiddell: please remove https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasmoids and blacklist it for autosyncs12:19
apacheloggerRiddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsibreak-kde4 can also go in favor of rsibreak12:23
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Riddellapachelogger: done12:56
apacheloggerRiddell: thank you. koffice2 FTBFS, btw12:57
JontheEchidnaman12:58
JontheEchidnakoffice2 always FTBFS12:58
apachelogger*nod*12:58
apacheloggerI guess that's why the releases are alphas12:59
Riddellhumph13:03
devfilRiddell: -.- you haven't updated .install files :P13:05
apachelogger\sh: you didn't do the kde4bindings changes to intrepid?13:07
Riddelldevfil: I'm sure I spent many hours updating those .install files13:13
* JontheEchidna feels Riddell's pain13:14
JontheEchidnaRiddell: bug 26292613:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262926 in update-notifier-kde "update-notifier-kde crashes on startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26292613:22
Tonio_hi there13:39
Tonio_is knetworkmanager working for you ?13:39
Tonio_no way to connect to wireless on my side....13:39
apacheloggerhey13:41
apacheloggerTonio_: it's broken13:41
Tonio_apachelogger: okay13:42
Tonio_apachelogger: should we investigate knetworkmanager or networkmanager ?13:42
Riddellknetworkmanager needs updated code13:42
apacheloggerknetworkmanger is just not compatible with the API of current nm 07 upload13:42
Tonio_hum okay....13:43
Tonio_Riddell: I'd like to play with the kde4 networkmanager plasmoid13:44
Tonio_Riddell: can you remind me of the svn path please ?13:44
apacheloggerTonio_: playground/base/plasma13:44
Riddellit doesn't do anything much13:44
Tonio_Riddell: k13:45
apacheloggerRiddell: not even the latest stuff regarding 4.2?13:45
Riddellnot that I know of13:45
claydohso apparently someone thinks you devs are all 10-year-ol children14:05
claydohhttp://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=309715914:06
claydohs/old/ol14:06
RiddellI'm not 10, I'm old and mature!14:10
Riddellnow if you'll excuse me, I have a date to see Doctor Who with Jean-Luc Piccard in Stratford14:10
Jucatokfn is still alive? :)14:11
Jucatooh it still has teh same theme :)14:11
voriangood morning!14:15
claydohRiddell: I am jealous big Dr Who fan from way back14:26
claydohtenent and stewart in hamlet would be awesome to see14:29
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apacheloggerRiddell: ImportError: No module named ReleaseNotesViewer18:06
apacheloggerwhen starting update-notifier-kde18:06
apacheloggerI guess you should "borrow" it from update-manager18:07
apacheloggerwah18:08
* apachelogger gets eaten by popup notifications18:09
JontheEchidnaubottu: tell me about bug 25468818:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254688 in kdebase-workspace "kubuntu kde4 intrepid kickoff menu, items added to favourites dont keep correct icon, generic gear shown" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25468818:18
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ideas about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263047?19:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 263047 in kdebase "Konqueror appears in kde4 subfolder inside K menu." [Undecided,New]19:07
* JontheEchidna clicks19:07
apacheloggermaybe also a stupid patch's fault19:08
JontheEchidnathat's weird, to say the least19:08
apachelogger*nod*19:09
JontheEchidnait should be testable on the next livecd though, right?19:09
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the patch?19:09
JontheEchidnais 4.1.0-0ubuntu2 on any livecd?19:09
apacheloggershould be on alpha419:10
JontheEchidnaif so, we should be able to test and see if it's a user configuration bug19:10
apacheloggerit is a user configuration bug19:10
apacheloggerbut how did mr. user cause it19:10
JontheEchidnathat's the million-{$CURRENCY} question, now isn't it...19:10
* JontheEchidna brb's for ~15 minutes, the dog's going crazy and needs tiring19:11
* apachelogger knows that feeling :P19:11
JontheEchidnalol19:23
JontheEchidnaso the dumb dog sees a stick she wants me to throw and goes and crouches next to it19:24
JontheEchidnathen the stick moves because it's actually a small 6-inch garter snake19:24
JontheEchidnathen she jumps back19:24
asfakalpha 4 konq does not have searchbar plugin by default. Please add them in alpha519:26
claydohdidn't that get added back already?19:34
JontheEchidnaprobably not as a depend of konqueror19:35
claydohI installed alpha4 this past week, and ran normal updates and got the searchbar back19:35
claydohiirc19:35
JontheEchidnacurse kdebase-workspace-wallpapers and it's hugeness19:37
claydohkonqueror-plugins-searchbar rdepends on kubuntu-desktop19:54
* claydoh learned a new command lol19:54
* claydoh rtfm for a change19:55
apachelogger:)19:55
* claydoh goes back to updating his kmymoney2-svn ppa....19:56
claydoherr cvs...19:58
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JontheEchidnaapachelogger: didn't we patch bug 254541 a while back?20:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254541 in kdebase-workspace "System Tray does not display correctly on KDE 4.1" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25454120:24
JontheEchidnayeah, we patched that in Qt20:25
JontheEchidnaor jr did20:25
JontheEchidnameh, I guess we should just wait until the 4.4.1 packages to be released then close it20:27
JontheEchidna*4.1.120:28
JontheEchidnaall these 4s and 1s are confusing20:28
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that was systray not displaying at all20:34
JontheEchidnaoh20:34
goatsocksTonio_: fyi, got a thread going on kde-devel about the NetworkManager situation: http://lists.kde.org/?t=122004649100004&r=1&w=220:34
* JontheEchidna wonders if there have been any replies yet20:34
goatsocksglad to see cblauvelt hasn't abandoned the nm applet20:34
goatsocksplasmoid applet20:34
ScottKWho is doing kdepim for 4.1.1?20:35
JontheEchidnasmarter has packaged it20:36
ScottKThanks20:36
ScottKsmarter: In KDE3 we have kmail depend on gpgsm, gnupg-agent, and pinentry-qt | pinentry-x11 for GPG and S/MIME encryption/signing by default support.  This is currently missing from KDE4.20:37
JontheEchidnaany word on a qt4 pinentry?20:38
ScottKsmarter: Would you please add gpgsm, gnupg-agent, pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-x11 to the kmail depends20:38
ScottKJontheEchidna: It's in the archive.20:38
JontheEchidnaoh, cool20:38
ScottKsmarter: I think gpgsm needs to be added to kdepim build-deps too.20:38
JontheEchidnahmm, I installed pinentry-qt4, removed pinentry-qt, and now I get prompted with some gtk dialog :(20:41
JontheEchidnaany magic I have to do/20:41
JontheEchidnamaybe remove the gtk one...20:42
_StefanS_evening20:57
JontheEchidnaafternoon :P20:58
_StefanS_Anyone having problems with the latest updates and knetworkmanager(or network-manager-kde) and wireless?20:59
_StefanS_I was just wondering if I have something stuck somewhere in configurationfiles ... I'm on intrepid20:59
JontheEchidnalatest knetworkmanager is incompatible with latest network manager20:59
_StefanS_ah great.20:59
JontheEchidnayeh :(20:59
_StefanS_is there a bug report written for it?21:00
_StefanS_probably being worked on I guess :)21:00
JontheEchidnauh yeah there's a bug report21:01
_StefanS_mkay21:01
JontheEchidnadon't remember which one it is though21:01
_StefanS_well its probably fixed soon :)21:02
apacheloggerRiddell: we should go with gtk-qt-engine22:02
apacheloggerit might be more crash, but it doesn't make apps unusable22:03
* apachelogger can't define colors in inkscape wth gtk-kde422:03
JontheEchidnaI actually haven't had that many crashes, but FF3 looks pretty bad22:04
apacheloggergo poke upstream22:07
* JontheEchidna poked the gtk-qt upstream before hardy was released\22:09
apacheloggerpoke harder22:09
apacheloggeryou know, our boot splash is pretty boring :P22:12
JontheEchidnaneeds more fireworks22:13
apacheloggernah22:13
apacheloggersomething stylish22:13
apacheloggerthe kdm oxygen background22:13
apacheloggerwhere progress is indicated by growth of the circle thingies22:13
apacheloggeror maybe just have the circle thingies very dark and increase light while progressing22:14
apacheloggerthough I think growth would look the best22:14
JontheEchidnawas there an update of kdebindings?22:15
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: update?22:15
JontheEchidnayeah, -0ubuntu322:15
apacheloggerScottK: bug 263103 is probably just an upstream default change22:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 263103 in kdebase "kde 3.5.10 panel arrangement of Icons on right side is in only one row" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26310322:16
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: >1 week ago22:16
goatsocksit might be helpful to have bug 259278 mentioned in the chan topic (if anyone ever reads those...)22:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 259278 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager will no longer connect" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25927822:16
JontheEchidnathen why am I getting it now?22:16
JontheEchidnauber late bindings update22:17
apacheloggermaybe it was on dep-wait or something22:17
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: that bug looks like a dupe of the one where somebody complained that KDE changed the default of 2-row systray to 50 isntead of 48 pixels22:18
apacheloggerdo I know that bug?22:20
* JontheEchidna is trying to find it22:21
JontheEchidnabug 26206222:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262062 in kdebase "system tray 1 row/2 row cutoff change" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26206222:22
apacheloggerpbuilding is so unbelivable boring :(22:24
JontheEchidna:(22:24
JontheEchidnaeven with amarok22:25
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: yeah, looks duplicated22:25
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: how did you get bug 73025 to reproduce?22:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 73025 in kdebase-workspace "switch user in the KDE menu shows logged out users" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7302522:25
JontheEchidnaI logged in to vt122:26
yao_ziyuani want kubuntu-kde4 to automatically use WenQuanYi fonts for chinese text of a small size22:26
JontheEchidnathen typed logout22:27
JontheEchidnaand it went back to the login prompt22:27
apacheloggeryao_ziyuan: I want a bigger cluster22:27
apacheloggerstill I don't get one22:27
JontheEchidnawent back to vt722:27
yao_ziyuanhttp://s4.tinypic.com/2qxta93.jpg22:27
JontheEchidnathen went over to switch user22:27
yao_ziyuansee in this screenshot,22:27
JontheEchidnaand I could still switch to vt1, which showed me as still logged in22:27
yao_ziyuanthe first button in the taskbar shows some chinese text22:28
JontheEchidnauot22:28
yao_ziyuanit is displayed in WenQuanYi Black, which is fuzzy when used with small sizes22:28
JontheEchidnawhoa22:28
JontheEchidnasome of the input from vt1 just went in to vt7 there o_O22:28
yao_ziyuansmall-sized chinese text should be rendered using WenQuanYi Bitmap Font22:28
yao_ziyuankubuntu/kde3 already has this feature; but it hasn't been implemented for kde422:29
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: still reproducible with 4.1.122:29
yao_ziyuanit's like, chinese text of size <=12pt should use WenQuanYi Bitmap font22:29
yao_ziyuan>12pt should use WenQuanYi Black Font22:30
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: yeah22:30
apacheloggerfunny22:30
yao_ziyuan12 is not accurate. check what's in kubuntu/kde322:30
apacheloggerthough, I must admit I never use logout for quiting any kind of terminal22:30
JontheEchidnaHow does one usually log out?22:31
apacheloggerexit22:31
JontheEchidnaI usually just keep konsole open always22:31
apacheloggerlogout would only work for login shells and since one mostly uses non-login ones (i.e. konsole) I got more used to exit22:32
JontheEchidnais it reproducible with exit too?22:32
JontheEchidnaspeeling loks funny thar22:32
JontheEchidna*reproducable22:33
* JontheEchidna shrugs22:33
apacheloggerhttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14261522:33
ubottuKDE bug 142615 in general "Switch users menu shows users who have logged out of a TTY session" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme]22:33
apacheloggerhaha22:33
JontheEchidnalawl22:34
apacheloggerossi is even worse with worksforme bugs :P22:34
apacheloggereven I would have left that one open22:34
JontheEchidnaheh22:34
JontheEchidnaany ideas on bug 209053?22:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 209053 in kdebase-workspace "KDE 4 Migration - GUI is rendered huge" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20905322:37
apacheloggeryes, we need to dump kdeglobals22:38
apacheloggersomehow22:38
apacheloggermaybe we can use the kde config upgrade system thingy22:38
* apachelogger didn't yet work with that though22:38
apacheloggeror we add a postinst running rm /home/*/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals22:39
smarterScottK: kmail already recommends these packages22:40
smarterhmm no, it Suggests them22:40
smarterwhat is more appropriate, Recommends or Depends?22:41
smarterRecommends get automatically installed, no?22:41
apacheloggeryup22:41
apacheloggerDepend > Recommend > Suggest22:42
smarteryep22:42
smarterbut what is more appropriate for gpg/pinentry stuff?22:42
apacheloggersmarter: more context please22:42
smartershould kmail suggests/recommends/depends gpgsm, gnupg-agent, pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-x11 ?22:43
smarterit Depends in kde322:43
smarterand it Suggests in kde422:43
apacheloggerI would go for recommend22:43
apacheloggerkmail works perfectly fine without it22:43
apacheloggerso it's certainly not depend22:43
apacheloggerstill a lot of people would want to have it22:44
apacheloggerso recommend sounds most sensible to me22:44
smarteryep22:44
smarterbut does it get installed with kubuntu this way?22:44
JontheEchidnayeah, recommends of stuff on the CD get pulled in22:45
smarterokay, I'll make it Recommends then22:45
apacheloggersmarter: even then we could manually add it to the cd seed22:51
smarterokay22:51
apacheloggersmarter: btw, shouldn't it be pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-qt | pinentry-x11?22:51
smarterprobably22:52
smarterI wonder if I should recommends gnupg too22:52
smarternone of gpgsm, gnupg-agent, pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-x11, depends on it22:52
apacheloggerone probably recommends it22:52
apacheloggerat least gnupg-agent should22:53
smarteryep22:53
smarterbut does recommends of recommends get pulled in the cd?22:53
apacheloggerbut I guess having it as recommend is the save side22:53
smarterokay22:53
smartergpgsm seems pretty useless without kleopatra which seems to be a lib/wrapper around it22:53
smarterso I'll recommend it instead of gpgsm22:54
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I think that logut issue bug wouldn't even deserve importance low22:56
JontheEchidnamore like wishlist22:56
apacheloggerwell it is an issue22:56
apacheloggerbut certainly not medium22:57
* apachelogger really gets angry when such reports are medium22:57
JontheEchidnait seems that all reports get medium :P22:57
apacheloggerwhich is stupid22:58
apacheloggerthey should get low22:58
apacheloggerif someone proofs they are anything else then low a triager can raise the importance22:58
JontheEchidnabtw is the kopete doesn't connect to some jabber clients really critical in importance?22:58
apacheloggerbut having them at medium is a waste of time22:58
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: some jabber servers22:58
apacheloggeror?22:59
JontheEchidnabug 18883622:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 188836 in kdenetwork "kopete-kde4 crashes when connecting to some Jabber servers" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18883622:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: at least high23:00
apacheloggermost people connect to weird servers23:01
apacheloggerand even if those servers go down once a week at least not connecting is even worse ;-)23:01
JontheEchidnawell there are only 30 or so critical bugs in all of LP23:01
yuriyI think all bugs up to about a year ago were marked medium by default before they introduced undecided23:02
apacheloggeroioi23:02
yuriywell, probably a bit more than a year ago23:02
yuriyJontheEchidna: are you in bug control?23:06
apacheloggeryuriy: can you add him?23:06
JontheEchidnayuriy: would be nice if I was23:06
yuriyno..23:06
JontheEchidnaI guess I should apply23:07
* apachelogger always thought yuriy was some kind of bug master, apparently he was wrong :P23:07
yuriyJontheEchidna: get on that! I think you have to email ubuntu-bug-control or some such thing, or maybe just bdmurrary23:07
yuriy*bdmurray23:07
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: apply for motu :P23:07
apacheloggermakes more sense23:07
JontheEchidnawhat about the have-to-participate-in-two-cycles jazz?23:07
yuriyapachelogger: that's an interesting thought... I don't know if anybody is an admin except bdmurray23:08
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: resolve bug #1 and none will care ;-)23:08
JontheEchidna:P23:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123:08
apacheloggeryuriy: lp will know23:08
apacheloggeroh runtime finished23:09
yuriyof course23:09
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: if you confirm a bug please leave a comment23:17
apacheloggerbug 24360523:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 243605 in kdebase-workspace "KDE 4.1 - Panels can't float" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24360523:18
JontheEchidnaI should probably look for an upstream report fo23:18
JontheEchidnar that too23:18
yuriyand sounds like a wishlist23:23
JontheEchidnayeah, I can't set bugs as wishlist though...23:24
yuriyright. looks like apachelogger already did it.  I've been assuming for a while now that you are in bug control23:26
JontheEchidnaI probably could be23:27
yuriydefinitely can23:27
JontheEchidnacould y'all vouch for me so I don't have to make a list of 5 bugs I've traiged? :P23:28
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: where do I have to?23:30
* yuriy isn't an "Ubuntu developer"23:30
apacheloggeryou are triager though23:31
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JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I'd probably say that you could vouch for me in the application email23:33
apacheloggercertainly23:34
JontheEchidnaI'll CC you23:34
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