[00:00] and yes, the redland strigi backend does suck [00:00] nepomuk not strigi [00:02] graphic glitches ftw [00:02] S: [00:03] Riddell: bug 256261 pretty pretty please [00:03] Launchpad bug 256261 in kdebase-workspace "keyboard won't work loginmanager starts" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256261 [00:04] crimsun lived in DC and Laserjock lives in NM. [00:04] lived/lives [00:04] BTW, the thing where you can move other people was no bug, it was a designed feature. [00:07] 'dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt-nl "4:4.1.0-0ubuntu9"' apachelogger what's the lt-nl ? [00:08] I think it's less than, not equal [00:08] These treat an empty version as later than any version: lt-nl le-nl ge-nl gt-n [00:11] * JontheEchidna wonders how his network is actually working, since knetworkmanager has been a grey globe for the past day or two [00:12] apachelogger: have you tested this? [00:13] Riddell: see ScottK's comment... I lost one line due to copying stuff around [00:13] readded that in v2 [00:13] Riddell: so yes, it's tested [00:18] JontheEchidna: bug 259278 ? [00:18] Launchpad bug 259278 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager will no longer connect" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259278 [00:18] uh, I guess [00:19] ...my internets are still working though. Else you couldn't see this message :P [00:19] asac decided to update network-manager without checking that it worked with knetworkmanager first [00:19] knetworkmanager must be a 2nd class citizen then :P [00:19] :P [00:20] blue-headed stepchild! [00:20] JontheEchidna: the bug encompasses more than connection problems, seems to be NM 0.7 API breakages all over [00:20] * apachelogger hugs kernel 2.6.26 and boots his hardy VM [00:21] * JontheEchidna resolves not to reboot in feat of breakage [00:21] *fear [00:21] just made a post to kde-devel inquiring the general status of NM development, hopefully someone will clear up everything [00:21] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&r=1&b=200808&w=2 [00:21] I didn't do a real reboot of my laptop in 3 weeks :P [00:21] only hibernated all the time [00:22] and yay, konq crashes [00:22] any way I can manually disable apport? [00:22] my konq is loosing the addressbar all the time [00:22] * JontheEchidna hugs the regular KDE crash notifier [00:22] JontheEchidna: no, apport is patched in [00:23] :( [00:23] you can disable it I guess, but then you don't get any crahs handler [00:23] * JontheEchidna grumbles and looks for a kcrash file [00:24] JontheEchidna: /etc/defaults/apport [00:24] thx [00:24] should revert to KDE crash handler [00:24] JontheEchidna: suggestions abou that strigi bug? [00:25] uh [00:25] * apachelogger notes that this is minor than minor [00:25] a) strigi-daemon isn't installed by default [00:25] b) nepomuk doesn't start it by default [00:25] maybe have a patch in whichever package nepomunk is [00:25] c) there isn't a gui for it at all [00:25] that creates a symlink? [00:25] apachelogger: krunner can use it for desktop search [00:26] if you enable the XESAM search krunner plugin [00:26] * JontheEchidna wouldn't bother though [00:26] d) there is a crappy gui which is not active by default :P [00:26] since strigi does end up eating gigs of disk space [00:26] We should just invalidate the bug since it's filed against PPA packages and laugh [00:27] JontheEchidna: won't fix + explaining above point + saying it is working in intrepid [00:27] * JontheEchidna can't set bugs to won't fix [00:27] oh [00:27] * JontheEchidna needs either bug powers or motu [00:27] I don't want to :P [00:32] JontheEchidna: bug closed [00:32] thanks === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna === mcas_away is now known as mcas [08:48] good morning [08:49] can you tell me if there is a plan to build koffice2 alpha 10 packages for hardy? === mcas is now known as mcas_away [11:37] Riddell: is anyone going to package koffice2 alpha10? [11:39] apachelogger: is that's 1.9.95.10 then I already have [11:39] koffice-1.9.95.10.tar.bz2 [11:39] yes [11:39] * apachelogger tells the kubuntu-de guys to publish a news [12:19] Riddell: please remove https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasmoids and blacklist it for autosyncs [12:23] Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsibreak-kde4 can also go in favor of rsibreak === akonadi is now known as nihui [12:56] apachelogger: done [12:57] Riddell: thank you. koffice2 FTBFS, btw [12:58] man [12:58] koffice2 always FTBFS [12:58] *nod* [12:59] I guess that's why the releases are alphas [13:03] humph [13:05] Riddell: -.- you haven't updated .install files :P [13:07] \sh: you didn't do the kde4bindings changes to intrepid? [13:13] devfil: I'm sure I spent many hours updating those .install files [13:14] * JontheEchidna feels Riddell's pain [13:22] Riddell: bug 262926 [13:22] Launchpad bug 262926 in update-notifier-kde "update-notifier-kde crashes on startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262926 [13:39] hi there [13:39] is knetworkmanager working for you ? [13:39] no way to connect to wireless on my side.... [13:41] hey [13:41] Tonio_: it's broken [13:42] apachelogger: okay [13:42] apachelogger: should we investigate knetworkmanager or networkmanager ? [13:42] knetworkmanager needs updated code [13:42] knetworkmanger is just not compatible with the API of current nm 07 upload [13:43] hum okay.... [13:44] Riddell: I'd like to play with the kde4 networkmanager plasmoid [13:44] Riddell: can you remind me of the svn path please ? [13:44] Tonio_: playground/base/plasma [13:44] it doesn't do anything much [13:45] Riddell: k [13:45] Riddell: not even the latest stuff regarding 4.2? [13:45] not that I know of [14:05] so apparently someone thinks you devs are all 10-year-ol children [14:06] http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3097159 [14:06] s/old/ol [14:10] I'm not 10, I'm old and mature! [14:10] now if you'll excuse me, I have a date to see Doctor Who with Jean-Luc Piccard in Stratford [14:11] kfn is still alive? :) [14:11] oh it still has teh same theme :) [14:15] good morning! [14:26] Riddell: I am jealous big Dr Who fan from way back [14:29] tenent and stewart in hamlet would be awesome to see === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian === Czessi__ is now known as Czessi === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto [18:06] Riddell: ImportError: No module named ReleaseNotesViewer [18:06] when starting update-notifier-kde [18:07] I guess you should "borrow" it from update-manager [18:08] wah [18:09] * apachelogger gets eaten by popup notifications [18:18] ubottu: tell me about bug 254688 [18:18] Launchpad bug 254688 in kdebase-workspace "kubuntu kde4 intrepid kickoff menu, items added to favourites dont keep correct icon, generic gear shown" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254688 [19:07] JontheEchidna: ideas about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263047? [19:07] Launchpad bug 263047 in kdebase "Konqueror appears in kde4 subfolder inside K menu." [Undecided,New] [19:07] * JontheEchidna clicks [19:08] maybe also a stupid patch's fault [19:08] that's weird, to say the least [19:09] *nod* [19:09] it should be testable on the next livecd though, right? [19:09] JontheEchidna: the patch? [19:09] is 4.1.0-0ubuntu2 on any livecd? [19:10] should be on alpha4 [19:10] if so, we should be able to test and see if it's a user configuration bug [19:10] it is a user configuration bug [19:10] but how did mr. user cause it [19:10] that's the million-{$CURRENCY} question, now isn't it... [19:11] * JontheEchidna brb's for ~15 minutes, the dog's going crazy and needs tiring [19:11] * apachelogger knows that feeling :P [19:23] lol [19:24] so the dumb dog sees a stick she wants me to throw and goes and crouches next to it [19:24] then the stick moves because it's actually a small 6-inch garter snake [19:24] then she jumps back [19:26] alpha 4 konq does not have searchbar plugin by default. Please add them in alpha5 [19:34] didn't that get added back already? [19:35] probably not as a depend of konqueror [19:35] I installed alpha4 this past week, and ran normal updates and got the searchbar back [19:35] iirc [19:37] curse kdebase-workspace-wallpapers and it's hugeness [19:54] konqueror-plugins-searchbar rdepends on kubuntu-desktop [19:54] * claydoh learned a new command lol [19:55] * claydoh rtfm for a change [19:55] :) [19:56] * claydoh goes back to updating his kmymoney2-svn ppa.... [19:58] err cvs... === mcas_away is now known as mcas [20:24] apachelogger: didn't we patch bug 254541 a while back? [20:24] Launchpad bug 254541 in kdebase-workspace "System Tray does not display correctly on KDE 4.1" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254541 [20:25] yeah, we patched that in Qt [20:25] or jr did [20:27] meh, I guess we should just wait until the 4.4.1 packages to be released then close it [20:28] *4.1.1 [20:28] all these 4s and 1s are confusing [20:34] JontheEchidna: that was systray not displaying at all [20:34] oh [20:34] Tonio_: fyi, got a thread going on kde-devel about the NetworkManager situation: http://lists.kde.org/?t=122004649100004&r=1&w=2 [20:34] * JontheEchidna wonders if there have been any replies yet [20:34] glad to see cblauvelt hasn't abandoned the nm applet [20:34] plasmoid applet [20:35] Who is doing kdepim for 4.1.1? [20:36] smarter has packaged it [20:36] Thanks [20:37] smarter: In KDE3 we have kmail depend on gpgsm, gnupg-agent, and pinentry-qt | pinentry-x11 for GPG and S/MIME encryption/signing by default support. This is currently missing from KDE4. [20:38] any word on a qt4 pinentry? [20:38] smarter: Would you please add gpgsm, gnupg-agent, pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-x11 to the kmail depends [20:38] JontheEchidna: It's in the archive. [20:38] oh, cool [20:38] smarter: I think gpgsm needs to be added to kdepim build-deps too. [20:41] hmm, I installed pinentry-qt4, removed pinentry-qt, and now I get prompted with some gtk dialog :( [20:41] any magic I have to do/ [20:42] maybe remove the gtk one... [20:57] <_StefanS_> evening [20:58] afternoon :P [20:59] <_StefanS_> Anyone having problems with the latest updates and knetworkmanager(or network-manager-kde) and wireless? [20:59] <_StefanS_> I was just wondering if I have something stuck somewhere in configurationfiles ... I'm on intrepid [20:59] latest knetworkmanager is incompatible with latest network manager [20:59] <_StefanS_> ah great. [20:59] yeh :( [21:00] <_StefanS_> is there a bug report written for it? [21:00] <_StefanS_> probably being worked on I guess :) [21:01] uh yeah there's a bug report [21:01] <_StefanS_> mkay [21:01] don't remember which one it is though [21:02] <_StefanS_> well its probably fixed soon :) [22:02] Riddell: we should go with gtk-qt-engine [22:03] it might be more crash, but it doesn't make apps unusable [22:03] * apachelogger can't define colors in inkscape wth gtk-kde4 [22:04] I actually haven't had that many crashes, but FF3 looks pretty bad [22:07] go poke upstream [22:09] * JontheEchidna poked the gtk-qt upstream before hardy was released\ [22:09] poke harder [22:12] you know, our boot splash is pretty boring :P [22:13] needs more fireworks [22:13] nah [22:13] something stylish [22:13] the kdm oxygen background [22:13] where progress is indicated by growth of the circle thingies [22:14] or maybe just have the circle thingies very dark and increase light while progressing [22:14] though I think growth would look the best [22:15] was there an update of kdebindings? [22:15] JontheEchidna: update? [22:15] yeah, -0ubuntu3 [22:16] ScottK: bug 263103 is probably just an upstream default change [22:16] Launchpad bug 263103 in kdebase "kde 3.5.10 panel arrangement of Icons on right side is in only one row" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263103 [22:16] JontheEchidna: >1 week ago [22:16] it might be helpful to have bug 259278 mentioned in the chan topic (if anyone ever reads those...) [22:16] Launchpad bug 259278 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager will no longer connect" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259278 [22:16] then why am I getting it now? [22:17] uber late bindings update [22:17] maybe it was on dep-wait or something [22:18] apachelogger: that bug looks like a dupe of the one where somebody complained that KDE changed the default of 2-row systray to 50 isntead of 48 pixels [22:20] do I know that bug? [22:21] * JontheEchidna is trying to find it [22:22] bug 262062 [22:22] Launchpad bug 262062 in kdebase "system tray 1 row/2 row cutoff change" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262062 [22:24] pbuilding is so unbelivable boring :( [22:24] :( [22:25] even with amarok [22:25] JontheEchidna: yeah, looks duplicated [22:25] JontheEchidna: how did you get bug 73025 to reproduce? [22:25] Launchpad bug 73025 in kdebase-workspace "switch user in the KDE menu shows logged out users" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73025 [22:26] I logged in to vt1 [22:26] i want kubuntu-kde4 to automatically use WenQuanYi fonts for chinese text of a small size [22:27] then typed logout [22:27] and it went back to the login prompt [22:27] yao_ziyuan: I want a bigger cluster [22:27] still I don't get one [22:27] went back to vt7 [22:27] http://s4.tinypic.com/2qxta93.jpg [22:27] then went over to switch user [22:27] see in this screenshot, [22:27] and I could still switch to vt1, which showed me as still logged in [22:28] the first button in the taskbar shows some chinese text [22:28] uot [22:28] it is displayed in WenQuanYi Black, which is fuzzy when used with small sizes [22:28] whoa [22:28] some of the input from vt1 just went in to vt7 there o_O [22:28] small-sized chinese text should be rendered using WenQuanYi Bitmap Font [22:29] kubuntu/kde3 already has this feature; but it hasn't been implemented for kde4 [22:29] apachelogger: still reproducible with 4.1.1 [22:29] it's like, chinese text of size <=12pt should use WenQuanYi Bitmap font [22:30] >12pt should use WenQuanYi Black Font [22:30] JontheEchidna: yeah [22:30] funny [22:30] 12 is not accurate. check what's in kubuntu/kde3 [22:30] though, I must admit I never use logout for quiting any kind of terminal [22:31] How does one usually log out? [22:31] exit [22:31] I usually just keep konsole open always [22:32] logout would only work for login shells and since one mostly uses non-login ones (i.e. konsole) I got more used to exit [22:32] is it reproducible with exit too? [22:32] speeling loks funny thar [22:33] *reproducable [22:33] * JontheEchidna shrugs [22:33] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142615 [22:33] KDE bug 142615 in general "Switch users menu shows users who have logged out of a TTY session" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme] [22:33] haha [22:34] lawl [22:34] ossi is even worse with worksforme bugs :P [22:34] even I would have left that one open [22:34] heh [22:37] any ideas on bug 209053? [22:37] Launchpad bug 209053 in kdebase-workspace "KDE 4 Migration - GUI is rendered huge" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209053 [22:38] yes, we need to dump kdeglobals [22:38] somehow [22:38] maybe we can use the kde config upgrade system thingy [22:38] * apachelogger didn't yet work with that though [22:39] or we add a postinst running rm /home/*/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals [22:40] ScottK: kmail already recommends these packages [22:40] hmm no, it Suggests them [22:41] what is more appropriate, Recommends or Depends? [22:41] Recommends get automatically installed, no? [22:41] yup [22:42] Depend > Recommend > Suggest [22:42] yep [22:42] but what is more appropriate for gpg/pinentry stuff? [22:42] smarter: more context please [22:43] should kmail suggests/recommends/depends gpgsm, gnupg-agent, pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-x11 ? [22:43] it Depends in kde3 [22:43] and it Suggests in kde4 [22:43] I would go for recommend [22:43] kmail works perfectly fine without it [22:43] so it's certainly not depend [22:44] still a lot of people would want to have it [22:44] so recommend sounds most sensible to me [22:44] yep [22:44] but does it get installed with kubuntu this way? [22:45] yeah, recommends of stuff on the CD get pulled in [22:45] okay, I'll make it Recommends then [22:51] smarter: even then we could manually add it to the cd seed [22:51] okay [22:51] smarter: btw, shouldn't it be pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-qt | pinentry-x11? [22:52] probably [22:52] I wonder if I should recommends gnupg too [22:52] none of gpgsm, gnupg-agent, pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-x11, depends on it [22:52] one probably recommends it [22:53] at least gnupg-agent should [22:53] yep [22:53] but does recommends of recommends get pulled in the cd? [22:53] but I guess having it as recommend is the save side [22:53] okay [22:53] gpgsm seems pretty useless without kleopatra which seems to be a lib/wrapper around it [22:54] so I'll recommend it instead of gpgsm [22:56] JontheEchidna: I think that logut issue bug wouldn't even deserve importance low [22:56] more like wishlist [22:56] well it is an issue [22:57] but certainly not medium [22:57] * apachelogger really gets angry when such reports are medium [22:57] it seems that all reports get medium :P [22:58] which is stupid [22:58] they should get low [22:58] if someone proofs they are anything else then low a triager can raise the importance [22:58] btw is the kopete doesn't connect to some jabber clients really critical in importance? [22:58] but having them at medium is a waste of time [22:58] JontheEchidna: some jabber servers [22:59] or? [22:59] bug 188836 [22:59] Launchpad bug 188836 in kdenetwork "kopete-kde4 crashes when connecting to some Jabber servers" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188836 [23:00] JontheEchidna: at least high [23:01] most people connect to weird servers [23:01] and even if those servers go down once a week at least not connecting is even worse ;-) [23:01] well there are only 30 or so critical bugs in all of LP [23:02] I think all bugs up to about a year ago were marked medium by default before they introduced undecided [23:02] oioi [23:02] well, probably a bit more than a year ago [23:06] JontheEchidna: are you in bug control? [23:06] yuriy: can you add him? [23:06] yuriy: would be nice if I was [23:06] no.. [23:07] I guess I should apply [23:07] * apachelogger always thought yuriy was some kind of bug master, apparently he was wrong :P [23:07] JontheEchidna: get on that! I think you have to email ubuntu-bug-control or some such thing, or maybe just bdmurrary [23:07] *bdmurray [23:07] JontheEchidna: apply for motu :P [23:07] makes more sense [23:07] what about the have-to-participate-in-two-cycles jazz? [23:08] apachelogger: that's an interesting thought... I don't know if anybody is an admin except bdmurray [23:08] JontheEchidna: resolve bug #1 and none will care ;-) [23:08] :P [23:08] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [23:08] yuriy: lp will know [23:09] oh runtime finished [23:09] of course [23:17] JontheEchidna: if you confirm a bug please leave a comment [23:17] bug 243605 [23:18] Launchpad bug 243605 in kdebase-workspace "KDE 4.1 - Panels can't float" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243605 [23:18] I should probably look for an upstream report fo [23:18] r that too [23:23] and sounds like a wishlist [23:24] yeah, I can't set bugs as wishlist though... [23:26] right. looks like apachelogger already did it. I've been assuming for a while now that you are in bug control [23:27] I probably could be [23:27] definitely can [23:28] could y'all vouch for me so I don't have to make a list of 5 bugs I've traiged? :P [23:30] JontheEchidna: where do I have to? [23:30] * yuriy isn't an "Ubuntu developer" [23:31] you are triager though === mcas is now known as mcas_away [23:33] apachelogger: I'd probably say that you could vouch for me in the application email [23:34] certainly [23:34] I'll CC you === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato