[00:00] <JontheEchidna> and yes, the redland strigi backend does suck
[00:00] <Riddell> nepomuk not strigi
[00:02] <apachelogger> graphic glitches ftw
[00:02] <apachelogger> S:
[00:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 256261 pretty pretty please
[00:04] <ScottK> crimsun lived in DC and Laserjock lives in NM.
[00:04] <ScottK> lived/lives
[00:04] <ScottK> BTW, the thing where you can move other people was no bug, it was a designed feature.
[00:07] <Riddell> 'dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt-nl "4:4.1.0-0ubuntu9"'   apachelogger what's the lt-nl ?
[00:08] <ScottK> I think it's less than, not equal
[00:08] <apachelogger> These treat an empty version as later than any version: lt-nl le-nl ge-nl gt-n
[00:11]  * JontheEchidna wonders how his network is actually working, since knetworkmanager has been a grey globe for the past day or two
[00:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: have you tested this?
[00:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: see ScottK's comment... I lost one line due to copying stuff around
[00:13] <apachelogger> readded that in v2
[00:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: so yes, it's tested
[00:18] <goatsocks> JontheEchidna: bug 259278 ?
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> uh, I guess
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> ...my internets are still working though. Else you couldn't see this message :P
[00:19] <Riddell> asac decided to update network-manager without checking that it worked with knetworkmanager first
[00:19] <apachelogger> knetworkmanager must be a 2nd class citizen then :P
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> :P
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> blue-headed stepchild!
[00:20] <goatsocks> JontheEchidna: the bug encompasses more than connection problems, seems to be NM 0.7 API breakages all over
[00:20]  * apachelogger hugs kernel 2.6.26 and boots his hardy VM
[00:21]  * JontheEchidna resolves not to reboot in feat of breakage
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> *fear
[00:21] <goatsocks> just made a post to kde-devel inquiring the general status of NM development, hopefully someone will clear up everything
[00:21] <goatsocks> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&r=1&b=200808&w=2
[00:21] <apachelogger> I didn't do a real reboot of my laptop in 3 weeks :P
[00:21] <apachelogger> only hibernated all the time
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> and yay, konq crashes
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> any way I can manually disable apport?
[00:22] <apachelogger> my konq is loosing the addressbar all the time
[00:22]  * JontheEchidna hugs the regular KDE crash notifier
[00:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no, apport is patched in
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> :(
[00:23] <apachelogger> you can disable it I guess, but then you don't get any crahs handler
[00:23]  * JontheEchidna grumbles and looks for a kcrash file
[00:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: /etc/defaults/apport
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> thx
[00:24] <Riddell> should revert to KDE crash handler
[00:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: suggestions abou that strigi bug?
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> uh
[00:25]  * apachelogger notes that this is minor than minor
[00:25] <apachelogger> a) strigi-daemon isn't installed by default
[00:25] <apachelogger> b) nepomuk doesn't start it by default
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> maybe have a patch in whichever package nepomunk is
[00:25] <apachelogger> c) there isn't a gui for it at all
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> that creates a symlink?
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: krunner can use it for desktop search
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> if you enable the XESAM search krunner plugin
[00:26]  * JontheEchidna wouldn't bother though
[00:26] <apachelogger> d) there is a crappy gui which is not active by default :P
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> since strigi does end up eating gigs of disk space
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> We should just invalidate the bug since it's filed against PPA packages and laugh
[00:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: won't fix + explaining above point + saying it is working in intrepid
[00:27]  * JontheEchidna can't set bugs to won't fix
[00:27] <apachelogger> oh
[00:27]  * JontheEchidna needs either bug powers or motu
[00:27] <apachelogger> I don't want to  :P
[00:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug closed
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[08:48] <mcas> good morning
[08:49] <mcas> can you tell me if there is a plan to build koffice2 alpha 10 packages for hardy?
[11:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: is anyone going to package koffice2 alpha10?
[11:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: is that's 1.9.95.10 then I already have
[11:39] <apachelogger>   koffice-1.9.95.10.tar.bz2
[11:39] <apachelogger> yes
[11:39]  * apachelogger tells the kubuntu-de guys to publish a news 
[12:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: please remove https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasmoids and blacklist it for autosyncs
[12:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsibreak-kde4 can also go in favor of rsibreak
[12:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: done
[12:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you. koffice2 FTBFS, btw
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> man
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> koffice2 always FTBFS
[12:58] <apachelogger> *nod*
[12:59] <apachelogger> I guess that's why the releases are alphas
[13:03] <Riddell> humph
[13:05] <devfil> Riddell: -.- you haven't updated .install files :P
[13:07] <apachelogger> \sh: you didn't do the kde4bindings changes to intrepid?
[13:13] <Riddell> devfil: I'm sure I spent many hours updating those .install files
[13:14]  * JontheEchidna feels Riddell's pain
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 262926
[13:39] <Tonio_> hi there
[13:39] <Tonio_> is knetworkmanager working for you ?
[13:39] <Tonio_> no way to connect to wireless on my side....
[13:41] <apachelogger> hey
[13:41] <apachelogger> Tonio_: it's broken
[13:42] <Tonio_> apachelogger: okay
[13:42] <Tonio_> apachelogger: should we investigate knetworkmanager or networkmanager ?
[13:42] <Riddell> knetworkmanager needs updated code
[13:42] <apachelogger> knetworkmanger is just not compatible with the API of current nm 07 upload
[13:43] <Tonio_> hum okay....
[13:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like to play with the kde4 networkmanager plasmoid
[13:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you remind me of the svn path please ?
[13:44] <apachelogger> Tonio_: playground/base/plasma
[13:44] <Riddell> it doesn't do anything much
[13:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: k
[13:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: not even the latest stuff regarding 4.2?
[13:45] <Riddell> not that I know of
[14:05] <claydoh> so apparently someone thinks you devs are all 10-year-ol children
[14:06] <claydoh> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3097159
[14:06] <claydoh> s/old/ol
[14:10] <Riddell> I'm not 10, I'm old and mature!
[14:10] <Riddell> now if you'll excuse me, I have a date to see Doctor Who with Jean-Luc Piccard in Stratford
[14:11] <Jucato> kfn is still alive? :)
[14:11] <Jucato> oh it still has teh same theme :)
[14:15] <vorian> good morning!
[14:26] <claydoh> Riddell: I am jealous big Dr Who fan from way back
[14:29] <claydoh> tenent and stewart in hamlet would be awesome to see
[18:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: ImportError: No module named ReleaseNotesViewer
[18:06] <apachelogger> when starting update-notifier-kde
[18:07] <apachelogger> I guess you should "borrow" it from update-manager
[18:08] <apachelogger> wah
[18:09]  * apachelogger gets eaten by popup notifications
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> ubottu: tell me about bug 254688
[19:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ideas about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263047?
[19:07]  * JontheEchidna clicks
[19:08] <apachelogger> maybe also a stupid patch's fault
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> that's weird, to say the least
[19:09] <apachelogger> *nod*
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> it should be testable on the next livecd though, right?
[19:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the patch?
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> is 4.1.0-0ubuntu2 on any livecd?
[19:10] <apachelogger> should be on alpha4
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> if so, we should be able to test and see if it's a user configuration bug
[19:10] <apachelogger> it is a user configuration bug
[19:10] <apachelogger> but how did mr. user cause it
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> that's the million-{$CURRENCY} question, now isn't it...
[19:11]  * JontheEchidna brb's for ~15 minutes, the dog's going crazy and needs tiring
[19:11]  * apachelogger knows that feeling :P
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> so the dumb dog sees a stick she wants me to throw and goes and crouches next to it
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> then the stick moves because it's actually a small 6-inch garter snake
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> then she jumps back
[19:26] <asfak> alpha 4 konq does not have searchbar plugin by default. Please add them in alpha5
[19:34] <claydoh> didn't that get added back already?
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> probably not as a depend of konqueror
[19:35] <claydoh> I installed alpha4 this past week, and ran normal updates and got the searchbar back
[19:35] <claydoh> iirc
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> curse kdebase-workspace-wallpapers and it's hugeness
[19:54] <claydoh> konqueror-plugins-searchbar rdepends on kubuntu-desktop
[19:54]  * claydoh learned a new command lol
[19:55]  * claydoh rtfm for a change
[19:55] <apachelogger> :)
[19:56]  * claydoh goes back to updating his kmymoney2-svn ppa....
[19:58] <claydoh> err cvs...
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: didn't we patch bug 254541 a while back?
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah, we patched that in Qt
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> or jr did
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> meh, I guess we should just wait until the 4.4.1 packages to be released then close it
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> *4.1.1
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> all these 4s and 1s are confusing
[20:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that was systray not displaying at all
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> oh
[20:34] <goatsocks> Tonio_: fyi, got a thread going on kde-devel about the NetworkManager situation: http://lists.kde.org/?t=122004649100004&r=1&w=2
[20:34]  * JontheEchidna wonders if there have been any replies yet
[20:34] <goatsocks> glad to see cblauvelt hasn't abandoned the nm applet
[20:34] <goatsocks> plasmoid applet
[20:35] <ScottK> Who is doing kdepim for 4.1.1?
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> smarter has packaged it
[20:36] <ScottK> Thanks
[20:37] <ScottK> smarter: In KDE3 we have kmail depend on gpgsm, gnupg-agent, and pinentry-qt | pinentry-x11 for GPG and S/MIME encryption/signing by default support.  This is currently missing from KDE4.
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> any word on a qt4 pinentry?
[20:38] <ScottK> smarter: Would you please add gpgsm, gnupg-agent, pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-x11 to the kmail depends
[20:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's in the archive.
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, cool
[20:38] <ScottK> smarter: I think gpgsm needs to be added to kdepim build-deps too.
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I installed pinentry-qt4, removed pinentry-qt, and now I get prompted with some gtk dialog :(
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> any magic I have to do/
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> maybe remove the gtk one...
[20:57] <_StefanS_> evening
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> afternoon :P
[20:59] <_StefanS_> Anyone having problems with the latest updates and knetworkmanager(or network-manager-kde) and wireless?
[20:59] <_StefanS_> I was just wondering if I have something stuck somewhere in configurationfiles ... I'm on intrepid
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> latest knetworkmanager is incompatible with latest network manager
[20:59] <_StefanS_> ah great.
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> yeh :(
[21:00] <_StefanS_> is there a bug report written for it?
[21:00] <_StefanS_> probably being worked on I guess :)
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> uh yeah there's a bug report
[21:01] <_StefanS_> mkay
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> don't remember which one it is though
[21:02] <_StefanS_> well its probably fixed soon :)
[22:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should go with gtk-qt-engine
[22:03] <apachelogger> it might be more crash, but it doesn't make apps unusable
[22:03]  * apachelogger can't define colors in inkscape wth gtk-kde4
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> I actually haven't had that many crashes, but FF3 looks pretty bad
[22:07] <apachelogger> go poke upstream
[22:09]  * JontheEchidna poked the gtk-qt upstream before hardy was released\
[22:09] <apachelogger> poke harder
[22:12] <apachelogger> you know, our boot splash is pretty boring :P
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> needs more fireworks
[22:13] <apachelogger> nah
[22:13] <apachelogger> something stylish
[22:13] <apachelogger> the kdm oxygen background
[22:13] <apachelogger> where progress is indicated by growth of the circle thingies
[22:14] <apachelogger> or maybe just have the circle thingies very dark and increase light while progressing
[22:14] <apachelogger> though I think growth would look the best
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> was there an update of kdebindings?
[22:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: update?
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> yeah, -0ubuntu3
[22:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 263103 is probably just an upstream default change
[22:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: >1 week ago
[22:16] <goatsocks> it might be helpful to have bug 259278 mentioned in the chan topic (if anyone ever reads those...)
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> then why am I getting it now?
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> uber late bindings update
[22:17] <apachelogger> maybe it was on dep-wait or something
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: that bug looks like a dupe of the one where somebody complained that KDE changed the default of 2-row systray to 50 isntead of 48 pixels
[22:20] <apachelogger> do I know that bug?
[22:21]  * JontheEchidna is trying to find it
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> bug 262062
[22:24] <apachelogger> pbuilding is so unbelivable boring :(
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> :(
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> even with amarok
[22:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, looks duplicated
[22:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how did you get bug 73025 to reproduce?
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> I logged in to vt1
[22:26] <yao_ziyuan> i want kubuntu-kde4 to automatically use WenQuanYi fonts for chinese text of a small size
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> then typed logout
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> and it went back to the login prompt
[22:27] <apachelogger> yao_ziyuan: I want a bigger cluster
[22:27] <apachelogger> still I don't get one
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> went back to vt7
[22:27] <yao_ziyuan> http://s4.tinypic.com/2qxta93.jpg
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> then went over to switch user
[22:27] <yao_ziyuan> see in this screenshot,
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> and I could still switch to vt1, which showed me as still logged in
[22:28] <yao_ziyuan> the first button in the taskbar shows some chinese text
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> uot
[22:28] <yao_ziyuan> it is displayed in WenQuanYi Black, which is fuzzy when used with small sizes
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> whoa
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> some of the input from vt1 just went in to vt7 there o_O
[22:28] <yao_ziyuan> small-sized chinese text should be rendered using WenQuanYi Bitmap Font
[22:29] <yao_ziyuan> kubuntu/kde3 already has this feature; but it hasn't been implemented for kde4
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: still reproducible with 4.1.1
[22:29] <yao_ziyuan> it's like, chinese text of size <=12pt should use WenQuanYi Bitmap font
[22:30] <yao_ziyuan> >12pt should use WenQuanYi Black Font
[22:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah
[22:30] <apachelogger> funny
[22:30] <yao_ziyuan> 12 is not accurate. check what's in kubuntu/kde3
[22:30] <apachelogger> though, I must admit I never use logout for quiting any kind of terminal
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> How does one usually log out?
[22:31] <apachelogger> exit
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> I usually just keep konsole open always
[22:32] <apachelogger> logout would only work for login shells and since one mostly uses non-login ones (i.e. konsole) I got more used to exit
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> is it reproducible with exit too?
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> speeling loks funny thar
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> *reproducable
[22:33]  * JontheEchidna shrugs
[22:33] <apachelogger> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142615
[22:33] <apachelogger> haha
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> lawl
[22:34] <apachelogger> ossi is even worse with worksforme bugs :P
[22:34] <apachelogger> even I would have left that one open
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> any ideas on bug 209053?
[22:38] <apachelogger> yes, we need to dump kdeglobals
[22:38] <apachelogger> somehow
[22:38] <apachelogger> maybe we can use the kde config upgrade system thingy
[22:38]  * apachelogger didn't yet work with that though
[22:39] <apachelogger> or we add a postinst running rm /home/*/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[22:40] <smarter> ScottK: kmail already recommends these packages
[22:40] <smarter> hmm no, it Suggests them
[22:41] <smarter> what is more appropriate, Recommends or Depends?
[22:41] <smarter> Recommends get automatically installed, no?
[22:41] <apachelogger> yup
[22:42] <apachelogger> Depend > Recommend > Suggest
[22:42] <smarter> yep
[22:42] <smarter> but what is more appropriate for gpg/pinentry stuff?
[22:42] <apachelogger> smarter: more context please
[22:43] <smarter> should kmail suggests/recommends/depends gpgsm, gnupg-agent, pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-x11 ?
[22:43] <smarter> it Depends in kde3
[22:43] <smarter> and it Suggests in kde4
[22:43] <apachelogger> I would go for recommend
[22:43] <apachelogger> kmail works perfectly fine without it
[22:43] <apachelogger> so it's certainly not depend
[22:44] <apachelogger> still a lot of people would want to have it
[22:44] <apachelogger> so recommend sounds most sensible to me
[22:44] <smarter> yep
[22:44] <smarter> but does it get installed with kubuntu this way?
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> yeah, recommends of stuff on the CD get pulled in
[22:45] <smarter> okay, I'll make it Recommends then
[22:51] <apachelogger> smarter: even then we could manually add it to the cd seed
[22:51] <smarter> okay
[22:51] <apachelogger> smarter: btw, shouldn't it be pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-qt | pinentry-x11?
[22:52] <smarter> probably
[22:52] <smarter> I wonder if I should recommends gnupg too
[22:52] <smarter> none of gpgsm, gnupg-agent, pinentry-qt4 | pinentry-x11, depends on it
[22:52] <apachelogger> one probably recommends it
[22:53] <apachelogger> at least gnupg-agent should
[22:53] <smarter> yep
[22:53] <smarter> but does recommends of recommends get pulled in the cd?
[22:53] <apachelogger> but I guess having it as recommend is the save side
[22:53] <smarter> okay
[22:53] <smarter> gpgsm seems pretty useless without kleopatra which seems to be a lib/wrapper around it
[22:54] <smarter> so I'll recommend it instead of gpgsm
[22:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think that logut issue bug wouldn't even deserve importance low
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> more like wishlist
[22:56] <apachelogger> well it is an issue
[22:57] <apachelogger> but certainly not medium
[22:57]  * apachelogger really gets angry when such reports are medium
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> it seems that all reports get medium :P
[22:58] <apachelogger> which is stupid
[22:58] <apachelogger> they should get low
[22:58] <apachelogger> if someone proofs they are anything else then low a triager can raise the importance
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> btw is the kopete doesn't connect to some jabber clients really critical in importance?
[22:58] <apachelogger> but having them at medium is a waste of time
[22:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: some jabber servers
[22:59] <apachelogger> or?
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> bug 188836
[23:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: at least high
[23:01] <apachelogger> most people connect to weird servers
[23:01] <apachelogger> and even if those servers go down once a week at least not connecting is even worse ;-)
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> well there are only 30 or so critical bugs in all of LP
[23:02] <yuriy> I think all bugs up to about a year ago were marked medium by default before they introduced undecided
[23:02] <apachelogger> oioi
[23:02] <yuriy> well, probably a bit more than a year ago
[23:06] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: are you in bug control?
[23:06] <apachelogger> yuriy: can you add him?
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: would be nice if I was
[23:06] <yuriy> no..
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> I guess I should apply
[23:07]  * apachelogger always thought yuriy was some kind of bug master, apparently he was wrong :P
[23:07] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: get on that! I think you have to email ubuntu-bug-control or some such thing, or maybe just bdmurrary
[23:07] <yuriy> *bdmurray
[23:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apply for motu :P
[23:07] <apachelogger> makes more sense
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> what about the have-to-participate-in-two-cycles jazz?
[23:08] <yuriy> apachelogger: that's an interesting thought... I don't know if anybody is an admin except bdmurray
[23:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: resolve bug #1 and none will care ;-)
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> :P
[23:08] <apachelogger> yuriy: lp will know
[23:09] <apachelogger> oh runtime finished
[23:09] <yuriy> of course
[23:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if you confirm a bug please leave a comment
[23:17] <apachelogger> bug 243605
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> I should probably look for an upstream report fo
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> r that too
[23:23] <yuriy> and sounds like a wishlist
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I can't set bugs as wishlist though...
[23:26] <yuriy> right. looks like apachelogger already did it.  I've been assuming for a while now that you are in bug control
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> I probably could be
[23:27] <yuriy> definitely can
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> could y'all vouch for me so I don't have to make a list of 5 bugs I've traiged? :P
[23:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: where do I have to?
[23:30]  * yuriy isn't an "Ubuntu developer"
[23:31] <apachelogger> you are triager though
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I'd probably say that you could vouch for me in the application email
[23:34] <apachelogger> certainly
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> I'll CC you