[00:07] <aidy> hi
[00:08] <aidy> firefox acts all wierd when viewing sites containing flash
[00:08] <aidy> http://omploader.org/vcGtw
[00:08] <aidy> there's a new window created for every flash applet i view
[00:08] <aidy> but nothing gets displayed
[00:24] <invisibleprison> Didn't the context menu used to have an encrypt option for encrypting files?
[00:37] <Jordan_U> Is last-good-boot functionality going to be added to grub2 as well?
[00:47] <Jordan_U> Has the bug with many ATI cards in laptops been fixed? ( Why has the ati on laptop check been removed from compiz ) ?
[01:55] <tyg13> Whenever I try to use Extra effects for Ibex, they never apply, even though the radio button works
[02:04] <tyg13> In Ibex, I cannot add virtual desktops
[02:15] <tyg13> Argh
[02:23] <test34> are the new nvidia drivers working ?
[02:23] <milos_> I resized my swap and now it does not auto-mount when i boot up. Now I need to do every time: sudo swapon /dev/swap-partition. How to fix it?
[02:24] <milos_> test34, yeah, for me.
[02:24] <test34> thanks milos
[02:24] <tyg13> test34, I have them enabled
[02:25] <tyg13> Just out of curiousity, what does the swap do?
[02:25] <test34> Ill try to restart X then
[02:26] <milos_> tyg13, give more RAM
[02:26] <test34> milos_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=691986
[02:26] <G_009> !swap
[02:26] <tyg13> milos_: Its like virtual RAM?
[02:27] <tyg13> if I gave, perhaps 10 gig. Would that be overkill?
[02:27] <test34> tyg13: its part of you hard drive used as RAM (when ram runs out)
[02:27] <test34> tyg13: overkill, yes
[02:27] <milos_> tyg13, yeah because it uses swap instead of real RAM
[02:27] <tyg13> test34: Oh crap..
[02:28] <milos_> tyg13, it uses hard disk and hdd is much slower than RAM
[02:28] <tyg13> milos_: If I have 1 gig ram, and 10 gig swap which is used?
[02:29] <LSD|Ninja> 10GB swap, wtf?
[02:29] <milos_> tyg13, it uses RAM, but when you go out of RAM than it starts using swap slowly
[02:29] <tyg13> LSD|Ninja: I'm a newbie when it comes to this stuff
[02:29] <tyg13> LSD|Ninja: I wasn't sure
[02:29] <G_009> it shows
[02:29] <tyg13> G_009: I assume I need WAY less then how much I have?
[02:30] <milos_> tyg13, you don't need more than 1gb of swap only if you are doing some really heavy stuff
[02:30] <tyg13> milos_: Well, I never have run out of RAM or experienced much slowdown
[02:30] <milos_> tyg13, ..than you need more swap or better , buy some RAM, it's cheap
[02:31] <tyg13> milos_: RAM is how much for a gig?
[02:31] <LSD|Ninja> depends on what type you have
[02:31] <tyg13> Laptop
[02:31] <G_009> for every one gig of ram there should be 2 gigs of swap
[02:31] <tyg13> I only need 2 gig then
[02:31] <milos_> tyg13, correct
[02:31] <LSD|Ninja> G_009: wtf?
[02:32] <tyg13> btw, I'm not sure on the exact size of my swap, how can I check?
[02:32] <tyg13> through the terminal
[02:32] <G_009> then again not even you have more than 2 gigs of memory, LSD|Ninja
[02:32] <milos_> tyg13, sudo fdisk -l | grep swap
[02:33] <tyg13> holy shit
[02:33] <tyg13> 19534977
[02:33] <tyg13> blocks
[02:33] <G_009> !language
[02:33] <tyg13> sorry
[02:34] <tyg13> I was just really surprise
[02:34] <tyg13> surprised*
[02:34] <tyg13> I seriously allocated 20 gigs to my swap partition
[02:34] <milos_> tyg13, thats in blocks, you need to convert it to Gb
[02:34] <tyg13> oh
[02:34] <tyg13> how?
[02:35] <tyg13> Phew. Its only 10 gig after all
[02:36] <G_009> on a side note.. i set my system without a swap partition having only one gig of ram .. i still havent had any issues running the programs i normally run
[02:37] <tyg13> Also, how do I check my system's specs?
[02:37] <G_009> do not try this at home
[02:37] <tyg13> try what?
[02:37] <G_009> (not having swap)
[02:37] <tyg13> Oh
[02:37] <tyg13> I use a laptop
[02:38] <G_009> you do have way more than needed or required though..
[02:38] <milos_> G_009, I don't have also issues also, but wan't to have swap just in case
[02:38] <tyg13> I'm only using 1.7 megs of my swap!
[02:39] <milos_> tyg13, divide that number with 1024^2 and then you have Gb
[02:39] <LSD|Ninja> If you have a laptop then a particularly good reason to keep a swap partition that's at least as big as your installed RAM size around is suspend-to-disk but even then it's not such a big deal since it never works
[02:39] <tyg13> milos_: Yeah I used an online calculator
[02:39] <mneptok> !language > tyg13
[02:39] <tyg13> I swore?
[02:40] <mneptok> oh, G_009 already triggered the factoid
[02:40] <tyg13> hahah
[02:40] <LSD|Ninja> tyg13: mneptok seems a little slow ;)
[02:40] <tyg13> LSD|Ninja: Agreed :D
[02:40] <milos_> LSD|Ninja, :)
[02:41] <tyg13> I have an AMD Turion 64 Mobile. Is that a 64 bit processor?
[02:41] <mneptok> heh, i'm not the one with 10 gigs of swap ...
[02:41] <tyg13> mneptok: I just switched from 3 weeks of wubi to full blown ubuntu
[02:41] <mneptok> tyg13: no, the "64" means it's an 8-bit processor :P
[02:42] <LSD|Ninja> mneptok: well, technically... ;)
[02:42] <tyg13> mneptok: Too bad I don't have the money for more than 1 gig of RAM
[02:42] <G_009> good thing is that it can be resized as needed too.. but 18gigs of ram that was .. silly
[02:42] <mneptok> tyg13: you don't want to run the AMD64 version unless you have >4GB of memory
[02:42] <tyg13> or I'd be running with a whole bunch of ram
[02:42] <tyg13> G_009, it was only 10 gigs
[02:42] <G_009> k
[02:43] <G_009> same still applies
[02:43] <tyg13> I've also realized that intrepid sucks REALLY BAD
[02:43] <tyg13> And I've searched everywhere
[02:43] <G_009> !alpha
[02:43] <tyg13> And I can't find an article to downgrade
[02:43] <tyg13> Yeah I know its only in alpha
[02:44] <LSD|Ninja> tyg13: It's Alpha quality, what do you expect? Wait until release, at least then it'll be beta quality :P
[02:44] <G_009> well.. it is in alpha state.. read /topic for more info
[02:44] <mneptok> tyg13: there is not reliable way to downgrade, other than a re-installation
[02:44] <tyg13> oh and I've just remembered to ask. SHOULD I or SHOULD I NOT, type in rm -rf / :)
[02:44] <mneptok> s/not/no/
[02:45] <mneptok> tyg13: unfunny. just mentioning that command is likely to get you banned.
[02:45] <tyg13> Sorry, I'm just embellishing on my total ineptness at linux
[02:46] <tyg13> It seems like I KNEW windows almost in and out and then when I converted to Ubuntu (after only having about a few months of Mandrake/ Mandriva) I felt totally lost at everything
[02:47] <tyg13> fyi, the mandriva was about 5 years ago
[02:49] <tyg13> I'm pretty much lost
[02:49] <G_009> that did warrant a kick at minimum
[02:50] <tyg13> I knew it was serious, but not that serious
[02:50] <tyg13> its not like someone will be like: OOH new command lemme try it
[02:50] <G_009> actually.. yes..
[02:51]  * tyg13 smacks face
[02:51] <tyg13> I forgot, computer newbs
[02:51] <G_009> yes, like those newbs that dont know what swat is
[02:51] <tyg13> I knew what swap was!
[02:52] <tyg13> But rather what the swap : RAM ratio
[02:52] <G_009> !swat
[02:53] <tyg13> what????
[02:53] <tyg13> i feel really dumb
[02:54] <cycom> tyg13: swap should usually (imho) be 2x ram for saftey
[02:54] <tyg13> cycom: I know that now :(
[02:54] <cycom> though I rarely end up using more than 1-10MB of swap
[02:55] <tyg13> cycom, I'm using about 1.6 megs right now
[02:55] <cycom> how much memory do you have?
[02:57] <tyg13> no I mean I have currently 1.6 megs being used. I have about 10 gigs (because I'm a newb to linux) allocated to my swap partition
[02:57] <tyg13> I have around 1 gig of RAM
[02:58] <cycom> yeah, for a gig of ram, 2GB of swap is generally the right number
[02:58] <cycom> tyg13: do you have a blank CD?
[02:58] <tyg13> I have my Gparted CD
[02:58] <cycom> oh, I was going to tell you to get Gparted.
[02:58] <cycom> you're ahead of the game
[02:59] <cycom> use gparted to reszie the swap to 2gb and the / partition to fill the space left over
[02:59] <cycom> gparted will do that nicely
[02:59] <tyg13> I have trouble with the graphical interface
[02:59] <cycom> O_O
[02:59] <cycom> you drag stuff back and forth.
[03:00] <tyg13> I mean I can't actually get it to boot up
[03:00] <cycom> oh, ok. was going to be a bit concerned there
[03:00] <tyg13> Hahah.
[03:01] <tyg13> I'm not a -total- moron
[03:01] <cycom> *shrug* I've had problems like that before
[03:02] <cycom> felt stupid at the time, but as long as you learn from it...
[03:02] <tyg13> I'm very very very good at windows interface.
[03:02] <cycom> heh. I'm sorry. :)
[03:04] <mneptok> tyg13: you'll want to make the swap space slightly more than double the maximum memory that laptop will have
[03:04] <tyg13> Also, is there any precautions I should take before changing the swap?
[03:04] <cycom> tyg13: make backups of your critical data...
[03:04] <tyg13> Which is typically nothing
[03:05] <tyg13> And I don't know a good back up program
[03:05] <cycom> just copy it to an external drive
[03:05] <cycom> shouldn't need anything fancy
[03:05] <cycom> is it a fresh install?
[03:06] <tyg13> its running ibex (ugh)
[03:06] <mneptok> tyg13: if you don't have any critical data on the machine, re-install using encrypted LVM (get the -alternate CD)
[03:07] <mneptok> encrypted LVM should be de rigeur on laptops
[03:07] <mneptok>  /rant
[03:07] <cycom> mneptok: meh. you can always encrypt individual key files.  It means that you have to type passwords on every boot, and I use my laptop as a server as well
[03:08] <cycom> so when I reboot a machine remotely...
[03:08] <tyg13> I have a 120g external harddrive, if anything goes wrong, should I backup my / and /home directories?
[03:08] <cycom> aint a damn thing I can do.
[03:08] <tyg13> !language | cycom
[03:09] <cycom> tyg13: generally home is the only thing you need to back up.
[03:09] <mneptok> cycom: use LVM and a smartcard with the key :P
[03:09] <tyg13>  /hypocrisy
[03:09] <cycom> mneptok: my laptops don't have sc readers.
[03:09] <tyg13> cycom: But doesn't usr have all my programs?
[03:09] <mneptok> cycom: and no USB?
[03:09] <cycom> tyg13: how many things have you manually installed
[03:10] <cycom> mneptok: I don't want to spend money on a USB smartcard reader wither.
[03:10] <cycom> either*
[03:10] <mneptok> i liked "wither" :)
[03:10] <mneptok> "hello, $vendor? the USB smartcard reader you sold me is turning brown and drying up ..."
[03:10] <cycom> heh
[03:10] <tyg13> cycom: Not much
[03:11] <cycom> tyg13: anything outside of using the package manageR?
[03:11] <cycom> manager*
[03:11] <tyg13> only one compilable binary and most of them using either apt-get or synaptic
[03:11] <cycom> if not, then all the data you want is in /home anyhow, just use apt-get to re-install packages if the fecal matter impacts a turbine.
[03:11] <mneptok> tyg13: does this laptop leave your house? if so, encrypted LVM is something you should strongly consider.
[03:12] <tyg13> mneptok: Every weekend.
[03:12] <mneptok> tyg13: get yourself the Hardy -alternate CD image
[03:12] <tyg13> mneptok: Does that allow package selectment?
[03:12] <mneptok> tyg13: how do you mean?
[03:13] <cycom> mneptok: can't you do it from the intrepid livecd as well?
[03:13] <tyg13> mneptok; I personally was very saddened by how I couldn't preset packages to be installed for my ubuntu
[03:13] <tyg13> Although I might setup a partition for, GASP OpenSUSE
[03:22] <tyg13> Oh and biases aside, I'm extremely fascinated with linux, so should I have more than 1 distro on my HDD at one time?
[03:22] <LSD|Ninja> tyg13: if you want
[03:23] <cycom> tyg13: honestly, I would get used to ubuntu, and run a gentoo install in a virtual machine
[03:24] <cycom> tyg13: gentoo is very...educational into some of the inner workings of linux, especially compiling a kernel
[03:25] <cycom> tyg13: but again, my suggestion would be to run ubuntu primarily
[03:25] <tyg13> cycom: I'm very interested in the kernel. I've learned quiote a bit of C++ but I know I need C. I only know rudimentary C.
[03:26] <tyg13> cycom: Should I use VirtualBox to install Gentoo after I reinstall Hardy?
[03:26] <cycom> tyg13: you shouldn't have to re-install hardy
[03:26] <tyg13> I hate Intrepid
[03:26] <cycom> why?
[03:27] <mneptok> cycom: for encryption he'll need to reinstall
[03:27] <mneptok> and i *strongly* recommend encryption for laptops that move with frequency
[03:27] <tyg13> I cannot have more virtual workspaces without deactivating compiz. Also, my drivers don't work properly in intrepid
[03:27] <cycom> tyg13: you can have more virtual workspaces.  you just have to adjust them in compiz
[03:28] <mneptok> tyg13: this is why i told you to download and install Hardy
[03:28] <cycom> tyg13: compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:28] <tyg13> Yeah, and rows don't work
[03:28] <cycom> tyg13: they do if you increase the vertical desktop size...
[03:28] <mneptok> tyg13: as a new user you should not be running development versions
[03:28] <tyg13> I tried
[03:28] <tyg13> mneptok: I like testing things
[03:29] <cycom> tyg13: huh.  I mean, I've had no issues with my 3x3 desktop...
[03:29] <tyg13> mneptok: However, Alpha seems to be a little too unfinished to test
[03:29] <mneptok> tyg13: then stop complaining :P
[03:29] <cycom> tyg13: do you have compizconfig-settings-manager?
[03:29] <tyg13> i do
[03:29] <tyg13> I know, I must sound like a whiny ***** don't I? :D
[03:29] <cycom> tyg13: would you mind letting me know what your current vertical/horizontal desktop settings are?
[03:29] <mneptok> tyg13: you cannot have rows with an odd number of workspaces. only even.
[03:30] <tyg13> ....
[03:30]  * tyg13 smacks forehead
[03:30] <cycom> mneptok: what are you talking about? I have a 3x3 box...
[03:30] <mneptok> cycom: sorry, "an undivisible by whole"
[03:30] <mneptok> e.g. 7
[03:30] <cycom> uh...
[03:30] <tyg13> it only allows rows with none graphcs
[03:30] <tyg13> it only allows rows with none graphics setting
[03:31] <cycom> tyg13: I now have a 7x4 desktop (seven across, 4 high) with compiz...
[03:31] <cycom> where did you change your settings exactly?
[03:32] <tyg13> compiz Config Settings Manager
[03:32] <cycom> what area there?
[03:32] <tyg13> I know, go into General Settings
[03:32] <tyg13> I have to disable desktop cube to do more rows
[03:33] <cycom> what do you have horizontal and vertical set for right now?
[03:33] <tyg13> 2x4
[03:33] <cycom> oh, the cube won't show more than one row, but you can still have more than one row
[03:33] <cycom> expo for example will still show all your row
[03:33] <cycom> rows*
[03:33] <tyg13> I know, I have it all working now with desktop wall
[03:33] <tyg13> I'll miss my cube though
[03:34] <cycom> so just use cube most of the time, and only use Expo when you need extra rows..
[03:34] <tyg13> Also, How come the preferences only work on hardy (workspace switcher)
[03:35] <cycom> which preferences?
[03:36] <tyg13> workspace switcher's preferences
[03:36] <tyg13> I can't change rows or columns with workspace switcher
[03:39] <sidewalk> how come my touchpad doesnt work as a mouse?
[03:41] <tyg13> Much better. Now my screen isn't all white and shiny. I now have a darker and less eye straining mess of a GUI
[03:41] <tyg13> I need a break. But sleep means a day closer to school
[03:41] <tyg13> which already started.
[03:42] <bsnider> maybe you shouldn't be using alpha software
[03:43] <tyg13> So stressful. Damn alpha software
[03:43] <tyg13> argh
[03:43] <tyg13> !language | tyg13
[03:43] <sidewalk> bsnider: why have they changed mouse settings for alpha? :-)
[03:43] <tyg13> I'll do it before someone else does
[03:44] <bsnider> i imagine because the x-server has gone thourgh so many big changes
[03:44] <bsnider> everything worked fine on my roommate's crackbook though
[03:45] <tyg13> is there anything to wake me up if I take a nap? Like software that'll play that annoying system beep like 20 times?
[03:46] <sidewalk> can i roll back my distro?
[03:47] <bsnider> quite so
[03:47] <sidewalk> how?
[03:48] <bsnider> there are many ways. how did you install intrepid?
[03:48] <sidewalk> cd, then upgraded from the syste
[03:49] <sidewalk> can i change /etc/apt/source.list and apt-get upgrade or smth?
[03:49] <tyg13> I want to roll back
[03:49] <tyg13> I used upgrade manage -d
[03:49] <bsnider> that would be one way
[03:49] <tyg13> I used upgrade manager -d*
[03:50] <sidewalk> sudo: upgrade: command not found
[03:51] <bsnider> upgrade-manager -c -d
[03:51] <tyg13> if I do upgrade-manager -c -d it'll roll back?
[03:51] <bsnider> change sources.list to read hardy wherever it says intrepid
[03:51] <sidewalk> i dont have upgrade-manager
[03:51] <tyg13> yes you o
[03:51] <tyg13> do*
[03:52] <tyg13> it comes with all versions of ubuntu
[03:52] <sidewalk> in what dir?
[03:52] <bsnider> change sources.list and then so sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:58] <sidewalk> bsnider: didnt work
[03:59] <tyg13> You apparently have to reinstall hardy
[03:59] <bsnider> what did happen?
[03:59] <sidewalk> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:00] <bsnider> you're sure you have the hardy stuff loaded in there now?
[04:00] <sidewalk> no
[04:00] <sidewalk> how can i be+
[04:00] <bsnider> open synaptic
[04:00] <sidewalk> yep
[04:00] <sidewalk> and?
[04:00] <bsnider> search for pidgin
[04:01] <sidewalk> 1:2.5.0
[04:01] <sidewalk> ubuntu2
[04:01] <bsnider> right-click and select properties
[04:01] <bsnider> click on the tab that says versions
[04:01] <bsnider> which versions are available?
[04:02] <sidewalk> right click on what?
[04:02] <bsnider> pidgin
[04:02] <sidewalk> 1:2.4.0ubuntu2 (now)
[04:03] <sidewalk> 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2.1 (hardy-updates)
[04:03] <sidewalk> 1:2.4.1ubuntu2 (hardy)
[04:03] <sidewalk> sorry, the first one was
[04:03] <sidewalk> 1:2:5:0ubuntu2 (now)
[04:04] <bsnider> so the hardy stuff is in there
[04:04] <sidewalk> but is it correct?
[04:04] <bsnider> what happens when you right-click on pidgin and select reinstall?
[04:05] <tyg13> I have an important question. Do I need to get the alternate ISO for LVM encryption?
[04:05] <sidewalk> i cannot
[04:05] <bsnider> you can't what?
[04:09] <sidewalk> select "reinstall"
[04:09] <sidewalk> but i can reinstall Ubutu
[04:10] <bsnider> here's an idea
[04:10] <bsnider> remove the ubuntu-desktop package
[04:10] <bsnider> run apt-get autoclean
[04:10] <bsnider> then install ubuntu-desktop
[04:10] <dmoerner> what are you trying to do?
[04:10] <bsnider> he wants to roll back to hardy
[04:11] <sidewalk> i dont have ubuntu-desktop
[04:11] <bsnider> ok, try installing it
[04:12] <dmoerner> just pin the hardy repos at 1001 in /etc/apt/preferences
[04:12] <bsnider> he already has the hardy stuff back in the repos
[04:13] <dmoerner> did pinning at 1001 not work?
[04:14] <sidewalk> i had the hardy stuff in the repos but couldnt roll back?
[04:14] <sidewalk> oh well, ill roast a cd tomorrrrow and reinstall
[04:14] <sidewalk> gotha sleep now thou, good night and thanks
[04:18] <dmoerner> sidewalk, if you really want to then run this command a bunch of times
[04:19] <dmoerner> aptitude install apt-show-versions && aptitude install $(apt-show-versions | grep intrepid | cut -d '/' -f -1 | xargs | sed 's/ /\/hardy /g')/hardy
[04:23] <bsnider> i'm fairly sure that if he just asks for the hardy ubuntu-desktop package, that it will demand a rollback
[04:24] <chronographer> hello. I found network-manager was crashing, so uninstalled it, edited /etc/network/interfaces myself and I get this when running ifup wlan0 (a ralink rt73 usb wireless card) http://pastebin.com/m1d1d6c0f  am I doing someting wrong?
[04:25] <dmoerner> bsnider, i'm pretty sure you're wrong.
[04:25] <CarlFK> live/desktop cd has a /casper dir with vmlinuz and initrd.gz - if I boot those, what should I get ?
[04:25] <chronographer> wireless works ok, but drops out sometimes... fixes with ifdown, ifup...
[04:25] <dmoerner> it will never force a downgrade as a result of adding an older package
[04:26] <bsnider> because the dependencies always say equal to or greater than?
[04:26] <dmoerner> CarlFK, nothing of use.
[04:27] <CarlFK> dmoerner: um... then why is it there?
[04:27] <dmoerner> in 99% of cases, and if they don't then normally they will break
[04:27] <dmoerner> CarlFK, you need the kernel and initrd to bootstrap the system and provide the kernel. However, the squashfs image on the livecd is the one that contains the majority of the userland
[04:27] <bsnider> if even one small file says equal to, instead of greater than, the whole thing goes out the window
[04:28] <dmoerner> bsnider, even aptitude is not smart enough to handle a full downgrade from intrepid to hardy by reinstalling ubuntu-desktop, to my knowledge
[04:28] <bsnider> no?
[04:29] <Jordan_U> !downgrade
[04:29] <bsnider> i was going to tell that guy the same thing, but didn't havet he words
[04:30] <chowmeined> did glibc break?
[04:30] <chronographer> anyone know how to get virtualbox installed on 2.6.27 ??
[04:30] <bsnider> i can understand their wanting to use intrepid, since it has so much exciting stuff in it, but it's alpha
[04:31] <dmoerner> bsnider, i just tested it, and it doesn't work. ubuntu-desktop from hardy has zero conflicts with an intrepid install
[04:31] <bsnider> well, it serves them right for being adventurous
[04:32] <bsnider> i've got it on an old system downstairs, not in production here
[04:41] <bsnider> the shutdown button in intrepid's gnome doesn't work right?
[04:46] <CarlFK> dmoerner: i did https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot - my exact pxe parms: http://dpaste.com/74908/ but it dropps me to a busybox promp, but without any boot error t: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/livecd3.png
[04:47] <CarlFK> maybe I should try a stable cd image
[04:53] <dmoerner> CarlFK, I would recommend that. no guarantees with intrepid
[05:07] <EruditeHermit> hi, will the clutter based 3D gdm make intrepid?
[05:13] <chowmeined> i noticed that too
[05:14] <chowmeined> the shutdown button is broken
[05:14] <LSD|Ninja> it has been for ages
[05:14] <dmoerner> chowmeined, that is a known bug since like alpha 0
[05:14] <chowmeined> yea
[05:15] <chowmeined> so why isnt it fixed?
[05:15] <dmoerner> i don't know. look at the bts
[05:16] <chowmeined> well since ive got your attention
[05:17] <chowmeined> when would be a good time for me to start testing intrepid for hardware issues on a variety of systems?
[05:17] <chowmeined> dell desktops and servers mostly
[05:17] <CarlFK> chowmeined: a few weeks ago :)
[05:17] <LSD|Ninja> chowmeined: October
[05:17] <chowmeined> i thought the kernel just changed to 27?
[05:17] <dmoerner> chowmeined, now, since they just uploaded 2.6.27 update #2
[05:18] <chowmeined> uh
[05:18] <CarlFK> chowmeined: one of the kernel devs has been working on an issue that seems to have goon away in .27 - just to make sure it is really undersood
[05:21] <chowmeined> what will virtualization support be like in server?
[05:21] <chowmeined> or what is ubuntu's focus?
[05:21] <chowmeined> are they pushing for kvm? or xen?
[05:21] <dmoerner> last i checked they were pushing kvm
[05:21] <chowmeined> yea, ive seen that in the past
[05:40] <quentusrex_lapto> Does anyone know if it is possible to have the unique openvpn certs(unique to each laptop) all named the same thing? This way the openvpn client configurations could all be put into a deb package?
[05:54] <tyg13> I have purged the demon that is ibex from my computer.
[05:54] <tyg13> and fixed my 10 gig swap :D
[05:58] <bazhang> tyg13, this is very different from hardy/gutsy
[05:58] <tyg13> bazhang: I understand
[05:59] <tyg13> bazhang: I won't talk about it. Is there an ubuntu off-topic
[06:04] <bazhang> tyg13, here is fine :)
[06:05] <bazhang> tyg13, you are back on hardy? I misunderstood the demon as daemon
[06:08] <tyg13> bazhang: yeah
[06:09] <tyg13> I had to fix several things and already had the cd in my drive
[06:09] <tyg13> such as my 10 gig swap file with 1 gig of RAM
[06:09] <tyg13> Swap is now about 2.5 gig as needed to be
[06:09] <bazhang> tyg13, you back on hardy? sorry for the misunderstanding :)
[06:10] <tyg13> bazhang, yeah
[06:10] <tyg13> bazhang, This place is like, dead
[06:10] <bazhang> tyg13, support in #ubuntu ; chat in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[06:10] <bazhang> tyg13, it is only alpha 4 :)
[06:10] <tyg13> ohhh
[06:10] <tyg13> I thought so
[06:11] <tyg13> But I wasn't sure
[06:11] <bazhang> tyg13, wait til beta at least :)
[06:11] <tyg13> I know, I jump the gun all the time. I installed Vista back when it was beta and I was a windows guru. I killed my poor little laptop with 1 ghz processor and 512 meg of ram
[06:12] <bazhang> heh
[06:12] <bazhang> but we are offtopic here :) better let the developers their room :)
[06:12] <tyg13> it was limping with Firefox open
[06:13] <tyg13> I have given help before with ubuntu, I'm only new when it comes to stuff like swap files. Stuff that is Linux-exclusive
[06:14] <tyg13> have you tried anything other than ubuntu?
[06:14]  * bazhang heads to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:12] <Jordan_U> Yay, with the new kernel I have broken sound but ath5k works!
[07:20] <sploh> i install intrepid about a week ago, when its kernel 2.6.25 tapping is still usable, but after update to kernel 2.6.27 tapping doesn't work anymore
[07:21] <cycom> sploh: tapping as in synaptics touchpad tapping?
[07:21] <sploh> anyone else encounters this problem?
[07:21] <sploh> yup
[07:21] <cycom> sploh: actually, I just tested it and yeah, same deal.
[07:22] <sploh> kk
[07:22] <cycom> huh. hadn't even noticed.  I mostly use the buttons, but I can see how that'd be annoying.
[07:23] <cycom> I have SHMConfig enabled and gsynaptics doesn't work with it either.
[07:24] <sploh> ic
[07:25] <sploh> gtg for work,
[07:25] <sploh> bye
[08:21] <level1> hi, i have a broken intrepid alpha install from a few weeks ago and I want to see if upgrading or modifing it will get it usable.  The problem is that the intrepid partition is 64bit and I'm runnig 32bit hardy.  Is there a way to chroot into or run apt on this intrepid partition from a 32 bit system?
[08:21] <level1> is there a way to run apt on a different system than the one I'm currently on?
[08:31] <peanutb> level1: chrooting should work
[08:32] <peanutb> but you might want to boot a 64bit live cd though
[08:32] <peanutb> just to be safe
[08:33] <level1> peanutb: as far as I know, you can't chroot from a 32 bit system to a 64 bit.  When i try it I get "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error"
[08:35] <level1> I could do it if I had a 64 bit kernel but I don't
[09:36] <Myrtti> hello
[09:37] <Myrtti> could someone help me debug what's wrong with .27 kernel as it doesn't get past usb devices and mount /
[11:08] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2810924642/ :-<
[11:35] <denga> i have tried to use my fritz isdn card with intrepid, but there are no driver in linux-restricted-modules. can you give me any hint?
[11:43] <quentusrex_lapto> Does anyone know how to generate more entropy for gpg? I have a headless server that doesn't have enough..... :(
[11:44] <quentusrex_lapto> I need to generate 285 more bytes, but I can't seem to gernate more than 50 before the kernel 'cleans up the entropy'
[12:40] <SwedeMike> hm, so I just installed alpha4 and did apt-get dist-upgrade. system->administration menu doesn't have any "network settings", it only contains "network tools". Right now I have modified my /etc/network/interfaces file to have static IP, but dhclient is being run at startup which messes it up
[12:41] <SwedeMike> as it'll change my IP after a while. I can of course kill it to work around the problem, but how do I solve it properly?
[12:43] <LSD|Ninja> You can install the old network panel. I forget how though. No idea why it was dropped but Ubuntu's been doing that a bit lately
[13:00] <quentusrex> How do I create a package if the only thing the package is suppose to do is copy a file to a specific folder? That's it. Just copy the file to the folder... No source code...
[13:08] <Myrtti> say - what?
[13:19] <Turski> damn, can't get nvidia driver to work
[13:20] <Turski> X doesn't start with xorg.conf that has nvidia driver, but starts without xorg.conf
[13:34] <denga> i have tried to use my fritz isdn card with intrepid, but there are no driver in linux-restricted-modules. can you give me any hint?
[14:18] <Lunks> That was the fast X auto-recovery ever since. :D
[14:18] <Lunks> fastest*
[14:18] <Lunks> But I lost my touchpad, it's not synchronizing
[14:19] <Lunks> [  179.749039] psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 1 bytes away.
[14:28] <oliver_g1> hi
[14:30] <oliver_g1> does anyone know why xserver-xorg-core now conflicts with xserver-xorg-input-2?
[14:30] <oliver_g1> most drivers now seem to provide xserver-xorg-input-2.1, but why was that changed?
[14:35] <ToHellWithGA> denga: can you build the module from svn?
[14:35] <ToHellWithGA> i'm not familiar with fritz isdn
[14:35] <ToHellWithGA> i'd think you could svn checkout a known stable revision and build it for your platform
[14:37] <denga> ToHellWithGA: i don't try it yet
[14:38] <denga> i thougth they are in the restricted-modules
[14:39] <ToHellWithGA> right
[14:39] <ToHellWithGA> they have to be built from something or come from some binary
[14:39] <ToHellWithGA> if you can figure out where the restricted module came from you can likely roll your own
[14:40] <Lunks> denga: What's the issue, if I may ask?
[14:42] <denga> in hardy... there is a bug... i made my own package... i thought i can know use the original package... but now ist the driver is gone... when is implemented a later stage... its ok.. when not.. i will make my own
[14:42] <denga> puhh
[14:42] <denga> :-)
[14:43] <denga> but i didnt found any information
[14:44] <Lunks> denga: hmm how is this related to Intrepid?
[14:47] <denga> i will use a fritz card with intrepid?
[14:48] <denga> we build remix... für asterisk... now with hardy... but when intrepid released... we will use it, but isdn must work
[14:50] <Lunks> denga: Are you trying to do whatever you are doing with Intrepid right now?
[14:50] <denga> no
[14:51] <denga> its the second day my raid work
[14:51] <Lunks> denga: I don't get it why you're seeking support on #ubuntu+1, if you're not using Intrepid. :P
[14:52] <denga> lol... now i have intrepit
[14:52] <denga> d
[14:52] <denga> and the first thing i try... was my isdn car
[14:53] <denga> then i looked in the resticted modules source and saw... no fritz.. no nvidia... many changes
[14:54] <denga> wenn the a driver out the in future, i don't need to build my own
[14:54] <denga> sorry for my poor english
[14:54] <Guest69702> Hello, i have an Asus (Z83Cseries) notebook, and it seems heating.... from january to today, the notebook performance shows signs that it has dropped. If i do acpi -V, thermal 1: 97 degrees C. Any idea how i can make it run better? On the early ages i used this notebook, it ran windows in VMware nicely... however if i open a vm, performance drops and starts to run lower.... also usually the performance drops, coincidently ive noticed the
[14:54] <Pici> denga: Thats what an alpha version is all about, things don't work, thats normal.
[14:55] <denga> thats right... thats the reason i try it now... bug reporting ;-)
[14:55] <Q-FUNK> I just upgraded a development workstation to Intrepid and cannot seem to get any vcons anymore.  'ps' shows that I have getty running where it shuld, except that there's no login prompt.
[14:57] <Q-FUNK> 'lsmod' shows that uvesafb is loaded.
[14:57] <Q-FUNK> what could I possibly be missing?
[14:58] <denga> i think its better i go and learn a bit more english ;-) thanks for help... next time with better english and better questions
[14:58] <oliver_g1> denga: maybe you could ask in your local #ubuntu channel?
[14:59] <oliver_g1> like #ubuntu-de
[14:59] <denga> i used the forum an wait for an answer
[15:12] <IdleOne> one good thing is that I can bootup 2.6.27-2-generic
[15:15] <Lunks> denga: where r u from?
[15:30] <Walzmyn> is this the right place for intrepid questions? i've been run all over freenode trying to find someone who won't gimme an off topic tiraid
[15:30] <bazhang> depends
[15:30] <bazhang> asking that way wont get much help anywhere
[15:31] <Walzmyn> I've tried downloading it twice and both times it has failed to install in a virtualbox, i was just wondering if anybody else was having problems
[15:32] <Walzmyn> well, if people would just say "there's a specific channel" that'd be nice, but I get yelled at for asking off topic quesitons when I'm asking about the blooming distro
[15:32] <bazhang> the offtopic factoid includes info on this channel.
[15:33] <bazhang> And I told you the channel as well.
[15:33] <Walzmyn> yeah, that was round 2
[15:33] <Walzmyn> the people in #kubuntu got really pissy
[15:34] <Walzmyn> I don't understand what the big deal is, we're all family right?
[15:34] <bazhang> intrepid is alpha 4; it may well not work how you want or expect at this point
[15:34] <oliver_g1> Walzmyn: there's a problem with booting Intrepid in Virtualbox (see the Caveats section at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4)
[15:34] <Walzmyn> Anyway - ya think my problems are my download or VB?
[15:42] <Walzmyn> oliver_g1, that took a min to come in. thanks for the link
[15:47] <dbglt> what repo do I need to add to enable kde 4.1 (or higher) builds in interpid?
[16:03] <oliver_g1> does anyone here get an error message from file-roller when opening a file on a remote directory?
[16:03] <oliver_g1> like, on a Samba share or over sftp?
[16:07] <Trewas> oliver_g1: I don't think file-roller uses gvfs (yet?) so that's as expected
[16:07] <oliver_g1> Trewas: it works in Hardy :-)
[16:08] <Trewas> hrm, maybe something else then :)
[16:08] <oliver_g1> if you have an Intrepid system available right now and have network connection, could you try that?
[16:09] <oliver_g1> just go to some remote directory in nautilus, and open a .tgz or .zip file there
[16:09] <Trewas> sorry, I have intrepid on a laptop which is at work
[16:13] <tgrundle1> oliver_g1, just tried your test on my intrepid box and got an error message: "Could not open <file> operation not supported"
[16:13] <oliver_g1> yes
[16:13] <oliver_g1> that's what I get as well
[16:13] <oliver_g1> thanks for testing :-)
[16:13] <tgrundle1> np
[16:15] <oliver_g1> (I'll add a bug report, but ere it's forgotten: the Report a Problem link in file-roller seems broken as well; it only gives an error on stderr if used)
[16:20] <trontonic> Anyone else have trouble with Intrepid and the latest libc update?
[16:21] <oliver_g1> trontonic: what kind of trouble?
[16:22] <oliver_g1> I have updated maybe 4 hours ago but don't see any problems...
[16:22] <trontonic> oliver_g1: ldconfig segfaults when libc6 is being installed. I had to burn an intrepid-CD, boot from that one and copy over all files belonging to the libc6 package in order to be able to boot again
[16:23] <oliver_g1> huh...
[16:23] <oliver_g1> no, didn't have any problems like that
[16:23] <trontonic> oliver_g1: I don't know enough about what happened to know which package I should report a bug for. If you can help me investigate the issue, it would be appreciated.
[16:23] <oliver_g1> can you reproduce the problem?
[16:23] <jrib> Threethan: you haven't said anything here
[16:24] <trontonic> oliver_g1: Reproducing the problem involves leaving the system in a broken state. I don't really want to do that, if possible.
[16:24] <oliver_g1> :-)
[16:24] <trontonic> oliver_g1: All I did was upgrading libc6. Is there any log-files that might help?
[16:25] <trontonic> *Are
[16:25] <oliver_g1> not sure...
[16:25] <oliver_g1> do you have anything in /var/crash/ ?
[16:25] <Turl> Hello
[16:26] <trontonic> oliver_g1: here's how it looks when I run "dpkg --configure -a" (which is not in the happy place right now): ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[16:26] <trontonic> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[16:26] <oliver_g1> nice
[16:26] <Turl> I wonder if there is an easy way of cleaning my kernel lists that doesn't require me to search for them on apt* and uninstalling by hand?
[16:26] <oliver_g1> trontonic: did you get some "crash dialog" on the screen?
[16:27] <oliver_g1> or is there a file in /var/crash/?
[16:27] <trontonic> oliver_g1: yes, /var/crash have 7 files with cryptic content
[16:27] <oliver_g1> what file names?
[16:27] <trontonic> oliver_g1: _sbin_ldconfig.real.0.crash              _usr_bin_miro.real.1000.crash
[16:27] <trontonic> _usr_bin_blender-bin.1000.crash          _usr_bin_yelp.1000.crash
[16:27] <trontonic> _usr_bin_deluge.1000.crash               _usr_sbin_atieventsd.0.crash
[16:27] <trontonic> _usr_bin_gnome-power-manager.1000.crash
[16:28] <trontonic> oliver_g1: I get several "crash dialogs" almost daily
[16:28] <trontonic> oliver_g1: mostly connected to Gnome
[16:28] <oliver_g1> and I suppose the ﻿_sbin_ldconfig.real.0.crash file has been created just now?
[16:28] <trontonic> oliver_g1: no, it's from 2008-08-29 01:46
[16:28] <Turl> anyone?
[16:29] <trontonic> oliver_g1: (and I'm GMT+2 right now)
[16:29] <oliver_g1> trontonic: ah yes, I think if there is already a file in /var/crash for an application, it won't create a second one
[16:29] <oliver_g1> (probably so the disk is not filled with those crash logs :-)
[16:30] <trontonic> oliver_g1: well, that's nice feature, I guess ;)
[16:30] <oliver_g1> well you could start by searching at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ for crashes in ldconfig
[16:31] <trontonic> oliver_g1: I assume that libc6 is the package to report a bug for, then, since ldconfig belongs to that one?
[16:31] <oliver_g1> yes; run "dpkg-query -S ldconfig" to find the package where a file belongs to
[16:31] <trontonic> oliver_g1: do you happen to know how to force "dpkg --configure -a" to be happy again?
[16:31] <trontonic> oliver_g1: I can't upgrade any packages in the current state
[16:32] <oliver_g1> no, not really :-/
[16:32] <oliver_g1> (no idea, I mean)
[16:32] <trontonic> oliver_g1: okay, thanks :)
[16:32] <oliver_g1> well there are some --force- parameters for dpkg, that might help
[16:32] <trontonic> oliver_g1: problem is, if I force it to install the latest libc6, that's when my system will break again :]
[16:33] <oliver_g1> oh, also, you could try replacing the ldconfig application with a "dummy" one, so ldconfig isn't actually run
[16:33] <trontonic> oliver_g1: I want to force it to pretend that a libc6 upgrade hasn't happened :)
[16:33] <oliver_g1> oh...
[16:33] <trontonic> oliver_g1: do you know if it's possible to install libc6 from svn or something?
[16:33] <oliver_g1> maybe download the previous libc6 packages from somewhere (as .deb files) and install them?
[16:34] <trontonic> hm, yes
[16:34] <oliver_g1> anyway, better check for bug reports first; maybe someone else had the problem as well and has a solution
[16:34] <trontonic> oliver_g1: Do you know how to get hold of the intrepid package for the previous release? I think getting hold of the hardy-package might be too big of a step backwards
[16:35] <trontonic> oliver_g1: Okay, I'll check launchpad. Thanks.
[16:36] <ToHellWithGA> RAOF: marco
[16:37] <Turl> hi again
[16:38] <Turl> is there any way to remove older kernels without manually uninstalling tons of packages?
[16:39] <oliver_g1> Turl: I think there was some feature planned (or actually created) for removing those old kernels
[16:39] <oliver_g1> you might better ask in #ubuntu , though (this channel here is for questions for the next version)
[16:40] <Turl> yeah, but I'm using intrepid though
[16:51] <oliver_g1> Turl: interestingly there are at least five blueprints for a "remove old kernels" feature :-)
[16:51] <Turl> :o
[16:52] <oliver_g1> and this one here is even set to High Priority and apparently targeted for Intrepid: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cleanup-cruft
[16:52] <LSD|Ninja> what about a "change default OS" feature?
[16:52] <Turl> you can do it by hand :p
[16:52] <LSD|Ninja> bugger that
[16:53] <oliver_g1> what do you mean with "change default OS"?
[16:53] <oliver_g1> you can run a default Ubuntu installation and select "use whole disk", and voila! there's your new default OS :-D
[16:54] <LSD|Ninja> For instance, when you install Intrepid it adds itself to grub and makes itself the default. I want something more convenient than hacking the grub.conf file (which risks stepping on the toes of the automatic setup that seems to be in place) to change the default
[16:55] <LSD|Ninja> I'm not averse to manual hacking I just don't believe it should be necessary at all in a distribution of this nature
[16:55] <Turl> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[16:55] <Turl> or just use that program designed to edit that
[16:56] <LSD|Ninja> Turl: learn to read please
[16:56] <Turl> I don't remember its name now :S
[16:56] <oliver_g1> grubconf?
[16:57] <Turl> nope
[16:57] <Turl> startupmanager I think it is
[16:57] <oliver_g1> LSD|Ninja: might make sense to have some little GUI somwhere to switch between the two or three installed systems...
[16:58] <oliver_g1> from usability point, it might be better to just remember the last choice ade in grub boot menu
[16:59] <LSD|Ninja> oliver_g1: that would be kinda difficult I would think, easier just to give the user more control of menu.lst from the GUI. Something along the lines of what NT has, maybe
[17:00] <oliver_g1> LSD|Ninja: no idea what NT has; but I doubt the "normal user" needs wants to rummage in the boot manager config
[17:00] <Turl> use startupmanager and problem solver
[17:00] <Turl> problem solved*
[17:09] <LSD|Ninja> OK... so how does startup-manager gets its info on what operating systems are present? I'm not seeing any Intrepid yet there's an entry for Fedora that I removed from that box ages ago...
[17:23] <quentusrex> Is there a way to run 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade' without having to type a password? so that a normal user can run the script that will run the upgrade?
[17:24] <BUGabundo> quentusrex that would be a breach of security
[17:24] <trontonic> quentusrex: yes, search for "sudo" and "visudo"
[17:24] <quentusrex> BUGabundo, I want to be able to allow normal users to run apt-get upgrade
[17:24] <quentusrex> so that normal users can keep the system up to date.
[17:24] <BUGabundo> look at policykit
[17:25] <bazhang> quentusrex, this is with ubuntu hardy or intrepid
[17:25] <quentusrex> both
[17:25] <trontonic> BUGabundo: it's not a breach of security to give permission to some users to run apt-get upgrade
[17:25] <BUGabundo> humm it is
[17:25] <BUGabundo> trontonic: they can break a system
[17:25] <trontonic> BUGabundo: yes, but if you've given them permission, it's not a breach of security
[17:25] <BUGabundo> other wise, why not just run it as ROOT
[17:25] <quentusrex> BUGabundo, not when it's 100 workstations on my local lan, and the only repo they have is my local repo
[17:26] <trontonic> exactly
[17:26] <quentusrex> they can only install the software I've added to my repo
[17:26] <BUGabundo> quentusrex that's easy...
[17:26] <BUGabundo> use ssh keys
[17:26] <BUGabundo> and a script on a central machine loging in
[17:26] <BUGabundo> and running the command
[17:26] <quentusrex> No. I want the users to be able to determine when to upgrade
[17:26] <BUGabundo> or put it in cron and run it as root
[17:26] <quentusrex> I don't want to accidentally upgrade while they are in the middle of work.
[17:26] <BUGabundo> quentusrex why?
[17:27] <BUGabundo> if there are security updates they should be applied
[17:27] <quentusrex> I don't care if they break their local machines.
[17:27] <trontonic> quentusrex: I would think adding them to the sudo-permissions should work nicely for you.
[17:28] <quentusrex> is there a way to give a specific user the ability to run apt? like add them to a group? where they don't have to type a password when they run it.
[17:28] <quentusrex> trontonic, I don't want them to have to type a password to confirm.
[17:28] <trontonic> quentusrex: yes, search for sudo and visudo, for the third time :)
[17:28] <trontonic> quentusrex: they don't have to
[17:28] <quentusrex> they have to type their own password for sudo
[17:28] <quentusrex> I don't want them to have to type anything
[17:28] <trontonic> quentusrex: not if you configure it so that they don't have to
[17:28] <quentusrex> oh???
[17:28] <BUGabundo> and also look at policykit and System->Admin->Authorizations
[17:31] <BUGabundo> quentusrex I guess you are looking for this
[17:31] <BUGabundo> # Uncomment to allow members of group sudo to not need a password
[17:31] <BUGabundo> %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
[17:31] <trontonic> BUGabundo: that's a bit excessive, and you know that :)
[17:32] <BUGabundo> anybody here having screen refresh probs with 2.6.27 and nvidia 117?
[17:32] <Volkodav> does nvidia work on 2.6.27-2 kernel ?
[17:32] <BUGabundo> 117 does
[17:32] <Volkodav> hmm
[17:33] <crdlb> 177*
[17:33] <BUGabundo> Volkodav: http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/
[17:33] <BUGabundo> NVIDIA and kernel 2.6.27:
[17:33] <BUGabundo> Currently only driver 177.68 seems to work with 2.6.27. I have written a patch for driver 173 too, however I’m experiencing a rather nasty problem.
[17:33] <crdlb> but if you don't have a geforce 6+ or an SSE-capaple cpu ...
[17:34] <BUGabundo> so
[17:34] <BUGabundo> is anybody here having screen refresh probs with 2.6.27 and nvidia 177?
[17:34] <BUGabundo> I see leftovers of lots of artifacs on my screen
[17:35] <BUGabundo> speaclly KDE apps, like kmail
[17:35] <BUGabundo> but even console or pidgin are experiencing this
[17:35] <LSD|Ninja> compiz?
[17:36] <BUGabundo> maybe this http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088
[17:36] <BUGabundo> yes, I have compiz enabled, LSD|Ninja
[17:36] <BUGabundo> I can turn it of and test
[17:37] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[17:37] <BUGabundo> compiz.real just crashed
[17:37] <BUGabundo> even after I turned it off
[17:37] <BUGabundo> lol
[17:37] <BUGabundo> apport is uploading now
[17:38] <BUGabundo> 8.8MiBs of debug
[17:38] <BUGabundo> xiii
[17:55] <Awsoonn> just did a dist-upgrade to find ubuntu-desktop not installed
[17:56] <Awsoonn> as was half of gnome, it seems to have somethign to do with a dependancy relating to scrollkeeper.
[17:56] <Awsoonn> http://pastebin.com/d5f2ae9a5
[17:57] <BUGabundo> shouldn't update-manager force ubuntu-desktop to be instaled before an upgrade?
[17:57] <BUGabundo> Awsoonn: did you use apt-get distupgrade or updatemanager?
[18:00] <Awsoonn> BUGabundo: first shot was the updatemanager
[18:01] <Awsoonn> then, yea, accually I only use4d the updatemanager
[18:02] <BUGabundo> Awsoonn: update-manager -d !?
[18:02] <BUGabundo> if so, please file a bug ticket
[18:03] <BUGabundo> what version were you using of Ubuntu?
[18:05] <Awsoonn> I was on 8.04 going to 8.10 there were many errors
[18:06] <Awsoonn> so I hope it was just a sid effect of one of those, I posted all teh standard logs an number of times allready
[18:06] <sploh> yup, tap click on touchpad is not working on kernel 2.6.27
[18:06] <Awsoonn> installing ubuntu-desktop seemd to fix a lot
[18:07] <BUGabundo> yes you are right sploh.... addnt found that one yet
[18:07] <BUGabundo> any lp id for it?
[18:08] <sploh> i'm currently using light weight desktop enviroment (lxde)
[18:08] <sploh> idk
[18:08] <BUGabundo> Awsoonn: as I said, please file a bug against update-manager. it should have installed u-desktop before upgrade
[18:09] <Awsoonn> 10-4
[18:09] <BUGabundo> sorry?
[18:09] <Awsoonn> next question is. how does the new xorg.conf-less thing work with duelhead?
[18:09] <Awsoonn> because my second screen is very pretty, but not too usefll at the moment.
[18:10] <Awsoonn> specificly, xorg is nto using the nvidia driver
[18:10] <sploh> i'm not good in this linux thingy
[18:11] <sploh> still learning
[18:11] <Awsoonn> should it have been automagic?
[18:12] <DanaG> Oh hey, anybody able to figure out what's going on from strace output?  When I boot the 2.6.27 kernel, gnome-session is severely broken -- it staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllls and takes a really ridiculously long time to log in -- and then some things, such as Nautilus or the panel, don't work.
[18:13] <DanaG> I'll pastebin it.
[18:13] <BUGabundo> Awsoonn: when I replaced my old laptop with and intel, for the new with nvidia, I was hoping to connect to externl LCDs and TVs without many troubles
[18:13] <BUGabundo> that's not the case
[18:13] <BUGabundo> very few times I was sucessuful in connecting to external LCD
[18:14] <BUGabundo> DanaG: no slow down here!
[18:14] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f5fe34e46
[18:15] <DanaG> There are quite a lot of EAGAIN going on, over and over.
[18:16] <BotLobsta> anyone know how i can determine what caused a kernel panic?
[18:17] <BotLobsta> like is there a log file that is written out somewhere?
[18:17] <BUGabundo> BotLobsta: logs ?!
[18:17] <LSD|Ninja> It wasn't a bot, it was a BOT LOBSTER!
[18:18] <BotLobsta> or a dump of any kind?
[18:18] <trontonic> BotLobsta: look at one of the freshest files in /var/logs
[18:21] <BotLobsta> i cant find anything in there that indicates a kernel panic
[18:22] <BotLobsta> it happened overnight so i have no idea what could have caused it
[18:23] <trontonic> BotLobsta: how about /var/crash ?
[18:25] <BotLobsta> trontonic, nothing recent in there
[18:25] <Volkodav> I did the upgrade and xserver won't start ?
[18:26] <Volkodav> ?
[18:27] <Volkodav> ?
[18:31] <BotLobsta> Volkodav, are you using the nvidia driver?
[18:32] <Oli``> Right Intrepid users if I decided to upgrade to II right now, what would break? I use (lots) gnome, nvidia drivers, compiz, gvfs, flash, Wine and virtualbox (sun version)
[18:32] <Unksi> Oli``: virtualbox is broken until sun releases a version that works with .27
[18:32] <Unksi> nvidia just got fixed
[18:33] <Oli``> I'm already on the beta drivers so I've been through that circle of hell already =)
[18:33] <Oli``> does the OSE version of VB work?
[18:33] <Oli``> or are they all incompatible with .27?
[18:33] <Unksi> probably not, as its about the kernel api as far as i know
[18:34] <Oli``> fair enough - right that might be enough of a blocker on its own
[18:36] <trontonic> BotLobsta: then I'm all out of ideas. If it's a hard hang without any logs, it might be caused by a part overheating.
[18:39] <BotLobsta> trontonic, i found a few things saying there was a "soft lock" on one of my CPU's because it was stuck for a minute, but that happened half an hour before it panicked
[18:39] <BotLobsta> and is there any way to reload an X module without restarting X?
[18:41] <trontonic> BotLobsta: not that I know of, but I guess it's always a theoretical possibility, since it's all about flipping bits of memory...
[18:42] <quentusrex_lapto> Why does ubuntu keep asking my user for the sudo password?
[18:42] <quentusrex_lapto> I'm trying to enable users to be able to sudo without retyping their password....
[18:42] <quentusrex_lapto> # User privilege specification
[18:42] <quentusrex_lapto> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[18:42] <quentusrex_lapto> cxs ALL=(ALL) ALL
[18:42] <quentusrex_lapto> cxs ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
[18:43] <quentusrex_lapto> why does it still ask for a password?
[18:46] <Awsoonn> the discription for nvidia-glx-177, 173, 96 all have the same discription with the same list of suported hardware. Isn't this wrong?
[18:48] <Unksi> Awsoonn: sounds like it is, especially considering 177 and 96
[18:50] <cypherdelic> My dvb stick doesnt work nomore with 2.6.27
[18:50] <cypherdelic> its msi digivox mini II V3.0
[18:50] <cypherdelic> i followed the instruction of http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/MSI_DigiVox_mini_II_V3.0
[18:51] <cypherdelic> but i get an error during the "make" of my driver, please help heres the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/41935/
[18:53] <cypherdelic> /home/cypher/af9015/v4l/cxusb.c: In function 'bluebird_patch_dvico_firmware_download':
[18:53] <cypherdelic> /home/cypher/af9015/v4l/cxusb.c:704: error: assignment of read-only location '*(fw->data + ((long unsigned int)(long unsigned int)idoff + 2u))'
[18:53] <cypherdelic> /home/cypher/af9015/v4l/cxusb.c:706: error: assignment of read-only location '*(fw->data + ((long unsigned int)(long unsigned int)idoff + 3u))'
[18:55] <Turski> how do i edit samba settings graphically in intrepid?
[18:56] <Turski> in kde control center everything is just greyed and tehres no administrator button like in kde3
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> kdesudo systemsettings
[18:57] <Turski> ok
[18:58] <cypherdelic> i guess its about the new usb driver in 2.6.27, any ideas how to fix hat manually?
[19:23] <DanaG> Oh heyas, I figured out what the PROBLEM is (that's breaking gnome-session).... but not what the SOLUTION is.
[19:23] <DanaG> It seems gnome-session isn't starting a dbus session.
[19:31] <sploh> hi
[19:32] <sploh> i found the tap click fix
[19:32] <sploh> https://launchpad.net/~knorr/+archive
[19:37] <Myrtti> sploh: oooh
[19:46] <nesw> the ibex kernel has paniced under virtualbox for me since 8/25. known issue?
[19:46] <TheInfinity> yes
[19:46] <TheInfinity> some ppl wrote that it wont run at all in any vm manager
[19:46] <TheInfinity> and this is wrong ;)
[19:46] <TheInfinity> but there are some probs with vms, yes
[19:48] <nesw> okay nice to know it's not just me. i just run older kernels for now
[20:04] <oliver_g1> nesw: see the Caveats sections at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4
[20:07] <nesw> ah. that'll come in handy. thanks
[20:54] <Nash> alguien a insalado intrepid ibex
[21:03] <Myrtti> so, lets say I reconfigured my keyboard with sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[21:03] <Myrtti> and broke my synaptics in the process...
[21:03] <Myrtti> any ideas how to fix that?
[21:05] <Nash> someone install intrepid ibex
[21:05] <Turl> Nash, si
[21:06] <TheInfinity> your in intrepid channel ... :p
[21:06] <dmoerner> Myrtti, you could try reseting it with dpkg-reconfigure -phigh console-setup and then rebooting
[21:07] <DanaG> Aah, I fixed my gnome session.
[21:08] <Myrtti> oh, and my earlier problems were fixed with disabling usplash and removing the restricted kernel modules.
[21:08] <Myrtti> (the one with .27 kernel not booting)
[21:09] <DanaG> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org/msg13142.html
[21:09] <DanaG> Disabling the dbus-launch thingy fixed it.
[21:16] <AirBender> Hello guys, is there an official bug regarding nvidia drivers since the last update?
[21:16] <AirBender> I have version 177 and an 8600GT and just can't go into graphics mode with this driver
[21:17] <Volkodav> xorg-server does not start after upgrade ?
[21:17] <dmoerner> AirBender, does the kernel module build cleanly?
[21:17] <AirBender> I think so
[21:17] <Volkodav> on 2.27.2 kernel
[21:17] <Volkodav> AirBender:  same here
[21:17] <AirBender> yeap that's my kernel version
[21:17] <Volkodav> I have 8400 GS
[21:18] <Volkodav> my xserver won't start at all
[21:18] <Volkodav> will try to configure manually
[21:18] <AirBender> i'm not sure if it's the kernel upgrade, or the last xorg patch, something for synaptics input
[21:18] <TheInfinity> nvidia driver break? :)
[21:18] <AirBender> yesp
[21:18] <TheInfinity> yea *g*
[21:18] <AirBender> was working really good until some hours ago
[21:19] <TheInfinity> lets see what breaks here in my vm ...
[21:19] <SwedeMike> I did an install 10 hours ago and by then with completely upgraded, 2.6.27 kernel and 177 nvidia driver works with my 7600GT
[21:19] <SwedeMike> havent rebooted with the new synaptics package that just came out, though
[21:20] <AirBender> ok
[21:20] <AirBender> well, I've upgraded last night, but I have rebooted just some hours ago
[21:21] <AirBender> so far, regardless of this issue, I like intrepid very much
[21:25] <AirBender> new pidgin is great
[21:25] <AirBender> npviewer is with problems also
[21:27] <AirBender> flash sections are grey, and firefox creates new windows for any flash area in the webpage, so weird
[21:27] <AirBender> when you close any of theese windows, firefox crashes
[21:30] <DanaG> Flash is a royal pain.
[21:32] <AirBender> indeed
[21:35] <Myrtti> that dpkg-reconfigure console-tools did nothing :-<
[21:35] <Myrtti> still without touchpad
[21:36] <AirBender> Synaptics input system = touchpad ???
[21:36] <AirBender> (i'm asking)
[21:37] <dmoerner> AirBender, yes
[21:37] <AirBender> ok
[21:37] <dmoerner> Myrtti, its console-setup i think
[21:37] <AirBender> because there is an update for xorg and synaptics
[21:37] <Myrtti> yeah, that
[21:46] <DanaG> xorg.conf for synaptics has been replaced with a HAL fdi file.
[21:48] <Myrtti> yup yup
[21:49] <DanaG> I modified mine (or rather, a copy in /etc/hal/fdi/policy): http://pastebin.com/f3da0f714
[21:50] <bsnider> is the synaptics driver what's  used ont eh crackbooks?
[21:50] <Myrtti> DanaG: intresting
[21:51] <Myrtti> DanaG: I've got *nothing* like that in mine
[21:51] <Myrtti> http://pastebin.com/m28cf80f9
[21:52] <DanaG> I made my MaxTapMove very narrow, to make it picky about what it considers a 'tap'.
[21:56] <Myrtti> DanaG: did those modifications become available on relogin, or did you reboot?
[21:56] <DanaG> Actually, all I needed was this:
[21:56] <DanaG> sudo modprobe -r psmouse && sudo modprobe psmouse
[21:56] <DanaG> Reloads touchpad driver.
[21:56] <DanaG> or rather, mouse port driver.
[22:02] <Myrtti> hm
[22:02]  * Myrtti considers reinstalling
[22:04] <maccam-sager> what kernel is 8.10 using?
[22:04] <maccam-sager> or rather, is it going to be using
[22:05] <dmoerner> maccam-sager, 2.6.27
[22:05] <maccam-sager> yay
[22:06] <maccam-sager> i hear there's intel 5300 wifi support in there
[22:08] <dmoerner> maccam-sager, that is correct, more or less.  http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/960936
[22:11] <maccam-sager> hey one of the guys in the thread has a similar laptop to mine haha
[22:12] <maccam-sager> dmoerner: so i'm guessing because of architectural changes in 2.6.27 there's no way i can compile that driver for ubuntu 8.04?
[22:13] <dmoerner> maccam-sager, you can use that kernel in 8.04
[22:13] <maccam-sager> oh really....
[22:13] <rendero> hi, anyone can boot 2.6.27-2 ?
[22:14] <maccam-sager> hmmm now to see if there's an official nvidia driver supporting the 9800M GT in linux...
[22:14] <void^> rendero: yes
[22:14] <rendero> ok, thanks
[22:14] <AirBender> rendero, probably a problem with nvidia driver
[22:14] <void^> (though i do have a little issue with lrm-manager --quick hanging)
[22:15] <maccam-sager> hey he has exactly the same laptop actually lol
[22:16] <hardy> Hi, my new laptop contains a Radeon HD 34xx Series card and I am not sure whether I should install xorg-driver-fglrx manually. isn't it open-source yet?
[22:17] <crdlb> hardy: you'll definitely still need fglrx for 3d acceleration
[22:17] <rendero> AirBender, i have this problem with the same mother as reported and almost the same cpu , mine is 4800+ dual core amd . https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/262742
[22:17] <dmoerner> hardy, no open source 3d support for r600 cards
[22:18] <hardy> crdlb, dmoerner: what about the news that amd opened ati driver? just 2d?
[22:18] <rendero> but my kernel is generic, not 64
[22:18] <crdlb> hardy: fglrx is still proprietary
[22:18] <crdlb> it probably always will be
[22:18] <dmoerner> hardy, they have experimental 3d support for r500. just because they opened the docs doesn't mean drivers appear overnight
[22:18] <crdlb> what they're doing is opening the card specifications so that an open source driver can be developed
[22:19] <crdlb> and I don't think r600 3d docs are out yet; they're still working on those
[22:19] <hardy> crdlb: ok then should I install xserver-xorg-video-radeon  or xorg-driver-fglrx
[22:19] <dmoerner> in any case fglrx doesn't work in intrepid right now and won't work for a month
[22:19] <crdlb> -fglrx
[22:19] <crdlb> heh
[22:19] <crdlb> dmoerner: kernel issues like nvidia?
[22:19] <hardy> dmoerner: really?! bad luck
[22:20] <dmoerner> crdlb, no xorg issues. no support for 7.4 because of an ABI change
[22:20] <AirBender> rendero: I have also generic kernel, and an M2N32-SLI Asus MotherBoard, with nvidia, and after changing the driver to vesa, I'm on gnome. But haven read the link you gave me
[22:20] <dmoerner> catalyst 8.8 was just released but they pushed back 7.4 support until the next one
[22:21] <crdlb> dmoerner: oh right, I knew that :/
[22:21] <rendero> AirBender, ok, so, i will wait, and back to the previous kernel, until the bug will be fixed, it is not good for me trying vesa. i have an 8600 nvidia
[22:21] <hardy> dmoerner: so if I installed the -fglrx driver in intrepid, would it do any harm?
[22:22] <dmoerner> hardy, it would do nothing, so i guess you could say that installing broken software won't do harm
[22:23] <hardy> dmoerner: I just want to make sure my system would update it automatically when a new fixed version comes out
[22:23] <hardy> dmoerner: if it's not installed may be I won't notice it
[22:24] <hardy> dmoerner: and what's this radeonhd.org is? I thought it's ati hiring novel to work in the open-source driver
[22:24] <dmoerner> hardy, yes
[22:25] <hardy> dmoerner: so instead of paying novel to do it, why don't they just released their closed driver?!
[22:25] <crdlb> we don't want fglrx's code :>
[22:25] <dmoerner> hardy, ati's stated position is that they will maintain fglrx as an industry-level solution with support for stable distributions
[22:26] <dmoerner> radeonhd will be the cutting edge
[22:26] <dmoerner> it will take a while if ever for that to actually be the case
[22:26] <crdlb> and they probably couldn't release it anyway due to copyright on all the bits
[22:27] <hardy> dmoerner: so you think they really care to have open-source drivers but they cannot reveal the fglrx code for legal reasons?
[22:27] <dmoerner> hardy, i don't know about their intentions but they can't release parts of fglrx for legal reasons yes
[22:28] <hardy> dmoerner: thanks a lot for your help
[22:28] <crdlb> also, they are employing at least one radeon driver developer
[22:28] <hardy> Any one faced a problem after latest updated with kubuntu that cannot log in?
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> I've heard that the kernel can cause issues with that
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> *the .27 kernel
[22:39] <hardy> crdlb: sorry but is the problem with ubuntu packaging or even if I installed from ati site, would I still not be able to install?
[22:39] <Myrtti> aaaand now the touchpad works again
[22:39] <crdlb> hardy: still wouldn't work
[22:40] <crdlb> they need to rebuild it against the new X ABI
[22:40] <hardy> crdlb: can you point me to a bug to follow?
[22:43] <crdlb> hardy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/247376 maybe
[22:45] <hardy> crdlb: thanks a lot
[22:54] <Jordan_U> If I see "Intel" in  asoundconf list and that is the card I want to be the default the correct command to run is "asoundconf set-default-card Intel" correct? ( I am asking because asoundconf crashes when I run this and I want to rule out PEBKAC before submitting a bug report )
[23:21] <AirBender> version 173 of nvidia driver works with 2.6.27-2 kernel
[23:25] <void^> so does 177.70 (with some hacks maybe)
[23:26] <AirBender> may be