/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/08/30/#ubuntu+1.txt

aidy	hi	00:07
aidy	firefox acts all wierd when viewing sites containing flash	00:08
aidy	http://omploader.org/vcGtw	00:08
aidy	there's a new window created for every flash applet i view	00:08
aidy	but nothing gets displayed	00:08
invisibleprison	Didn't the context menu used to have an encrypt option for encrypting files?	00:24
Jordan_U	Is last-good-boot functionality going to be added to grub2 as well?	00:37
Jordan_U	Has the bug with many ATI cards in laptops been fixed? ( Why has the ati on laptop check been removed from compiz ) ?	00:47
tyg13	Whenever I try to use Extra effects for Ibex, they never apply, even though the radio button works	01:55
tyg13	In Ibex, I cannot add virtual desktops	02:04
tyg13	Argh	02:15
test34	are the new nvidia drivers working ?	02:23
milos_	I resized my swap and now it does not auto-mount when i boot up. Now I need to do every time: sudo swapon /dev/swap-partition. How to fix it?	02:23
milos_	test34, yeah, for me.	02:24
test34	thanks milos	02:24
tyg13	test34, I have them enabled	02:24
tyg13	Just out of curiousity, what does the swap do?	02:25
test34	Ill try to restart X then	02:25
milos_	tyg13, give more RAM	02:26
test34	milos_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=691986	02:26
G_009	!swap	02:26
ubottu	swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info	02:26
tyg13	milos_: Its like virtual RAM?	02:26
tyg13	if I gave, perhaps 10 gig. Would that be overkill?	02:27
test34	tyg13: its part of you hard drive used as RAM (when ram runs out)	02:27
test34	tyg13: overkill, yes	02:27
milos_	tyg13, yeah because it uses swap instead of real RAM	02:27
tyg13	test34: Oh crap..	02:27
milos_	tyg13, it uses hard disk and hdd is much slower than RAM	02:28
tyg13	milos_: If I have 1 gig ram, and 10 gig swap which is used?	02:28
LSD\|Ninja	10GB swap, wtf?	02:29
milos_	tyg13, it uses RAM, but when you go out of RAM than it starts using swap slowly	02:29
tyg13	LSD\|Ninja: I'm a newbie when it comes to this stuff	02:29
tyg13	LSD\|Ninja: I wasn't sure	02:29
G_009	it shows	02:29
tyg13	G_009: I assume I need WAY less then how much I have?	02:29
milos_	tyg13, you don't need more than 1gb of swap only if you are doing some really heavy stuff	02:30
tyg13	milos_: Well, I never have run out of RAM or experienced much slowdown	02:30
milos_	tyg13, ..than you need more swap or better , buy some RAM, it's cheap	02:30
tyg13	milos_: RAM is how much for a gig?	02:31
LSD\|Ninja	depends on what type you have	02:31
tyg13	Laptop	02:31
G_009	for every one gig of ram there should be 2 gigs of swap	02:31
tyg13	I only need 2 gig then	02:31
milos_	tyg13, correct	02:31
LSD\|Ninja	G_009: wtf?	02:31
tyg13	btw, I'm not sure on the exact size of my swap, how can I check?	02:32
tyg13	through the terminal	02:32
G_009	then again not even you have more than 2 gigs of memory, LSD\|Ninja	02:32
milos_	tyg13, sudo fdisk -l \| grep swap	02:32
tyg13	holy shit	02:33
tyg13	19534977	02:33
tyg13	blocks	02:33
G_009	!language	02:33
ubottu	Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.	02:33
tyg13	sorry	02:33
tyg13	I was just really surprise	02:34
tyg13	surprised*	02:34
tyg13	I seriously allocated 20 gigs to my swap partition	02:34
milos_	tyg13, thats in blocks, you need to convert it to Gb	02:34
tyg13	oh	02:34
tyg13	how?	02:34
tyg13	Phew. Its only 10 gig after all	02:35
G_009	on a side note.. i set my system without a swap partition having only one gig of ram .. i still havent had any issues running the programs i normally run	02:36
tyg13	Also, how do I check my system's specs?	02:37
G_009	do not try this at home	02:37
tyg13	try what?	02:37
G_009	(not having swap)	02:37
tyg13	Oh	02:37
tyg13	I use a laptop	02:37
G_009	you do have way more than needed or required though..	02:38
milos_	G_009, I don't have also issues also, but wan't to have swap just in case	02:38
tyg13	I'm only using 1.7 megs of my swap!	02:38
milos_	tyg13, divide that number with 1024^2 and then you have Gb	02:39
LSD\|Ninja	If you have a laptop then a particularly good reason to keep a swap partition that's at least as big as your installed RAM size around is suspend-to-disk but even then it's not such a big deal since it never works	02:39
tyg13	milos_: Yeah I used an online calculator	02:39
mneptok	!language > tyg13	02:39
ubottu	tyg13, please see my private message	02:39
tyg13	I swore?	02:39
mneptok	oh, G_009 already triggered the factoid	02:40
tyg13	hahah	02:40
LSD\|Ninja	tyg13: mneptok seems a little slow ;)	02:40
tyg13	LSD\|Ninja: Agreed :D	02:40
milos_	LSD\|Ninja, :)	02:40
tyg13	I have an AMD Turion 64 Mobile. Is that a 64 bit processor?	02:41
mneptok	heh, i'm not the one with 10 gigs of swap ...	02:41
tyg13	mneptok: I just switched from 3 weeks of wubi to full blown ubuntu	02:41
mneptok	tyg13: no, the "64" means it's an 8-bit processor :P	02:41
LSD\|Ninja	mneptok: well, technically... ;)	02:42
tyg13	mneptok: Too bad I don't have the money for more than 1 gig of RAM	02:42
G_009	good thing is that it can be resized as needed too.. but 18gigs of ram that was .. silly	02:42
mneptok	tyg13: you don't want to run the AMD64 version unless you have >4GB of memory	02:42
tyg13	or I'd be running with a whole bunch of ram	02:42
tyg13	G_009, it was only 10 gigs	02:42
G_009	k	02:42
G_009	same still applies	02:43
tyg13	I've also realized that intrepid sucks REALLY BAD	02:43
tyg13	And I've searched everywhere	02:43
G_009	!alpha	02:43
ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about alpha	02:43
tyg13	And I can't find an article to downgrade	02:43
tyg13	Yeah I know its only in alpha	02:43
LSD\|Ninja	tyg13: It's Alpha quality, what do you expect? Wait until release, at least then it'll be beta quality :P	02:44
G_009	well.. it is in alpha state.. read /topic for more info	02:44
mneptok	tyg13: there is not reliable way to downgrade, other than a re-installation	02:44
tyg13	oh and I've just remembered to ask. SHOULD I or SHOULD I NOT, type in rm -rf / :)	02:44
mneptok	s/not/no/	02:44
mneptok	tyg13: unfunny. just mentioning that command is likely to get you banned.	02:45
tyg13	Sorry, I'm just embellishing on my total ineptness at linux	02:45
tyg13	It seems like I KNEW windows almost in and out and then when I converted to Ubuntu (after only having about a few months of Mandrake/ Mandriva) I felt totally lost at everything	02:46
tyg13	fyi, the mandriva was about 5 years ago	02:47
tyg13	I'm pretty much lost	02:49
G_009	that did warrant a kick at minimum	02:49
tyg13	I knew it was serious, but not that serious	02:50
tyg13	its not like someone will be like: OOH new command lemme try it	02:50
G_009	actually.. yes..	02:50
* tyg13 smacks face		02:51
tyg13	I forgot, computer newbs	02:51
G_009	yes, like those newbs that dont know what swat is	02:51
tyg13	I knew what swap was!	02:51
tyg13	But rather what the swap : RAM ratio	02:52
G_009	!swat	02:52
ubottu	Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.	02:52
tyg13	what????	02:53
tyg13	i feel really dumb	02:53
cycom	tyg13: swap should usually (imho) be 2x ram for saftey	02:54
tyg13	cycom: I know that now :(	02:54
cycom	though I rarely end up using more than 1-10MB of swap	02:54
tyg13	cycom, I'm using about 1.6 megs right now	02:55
cycom	how much memory do you have?	02:55
tyg13	no I mean I have currently 1.6 megs being used. I have about 10 gigs (because I'm a newb to linux) allocated to my swap partition	02:57
tyg13	I have around 1 gig of RAM	02:57
cycom	yeah, for a gig of ram, 2GB of swap is generally the right number	02:58
cycom	tyg13: do you have a blank CD?	02:58
tyg13	I have my Gparted CD	02:58
cycom	oh, I was going to tell you to get Gparted.	02:58
cycom	you're ahead of the game	02:58
cycom	use gparted to reszie the swap to 2gb and the / partition to fill the space left over	02:59
cycom	gparted will do that nicely	02:59
tyg13	I have trouble with the graphical interface	02:59
cycom	O_O	02:59
cycom	you drag stuff back and forth.	02:59
tyg13	I mean I can't actually get it to boot up	03:00
cycom	oh, ok. was going to be a bit concerned there	03:00
tyg13	Hahah.	03:00
tyg13	I'm not a -total- moron	03:01
cycom	shrug I've had problems like that before	03:01
cycom	felt stupid at the time, but as long as you learn from it...	03:02
tyg13	I'm very very very good at windows interface.	03:02
cycom	heh. I'm sorry. :)	03:02
mneptok	tyg13: you'll want to make the swap space slightly more than double the maximum memory that laptop will have	03:04
tyg13	Also, is there any precautions I should take before changing the swap?	03:04
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cycom	tyg13: make backups of your critical data...	03:04
tyg13	Which is typically nothing	03:04
tyg13	And I don't know a good back up program	03:05
cycom	just copy it to an external drive	03:05
cycom	shouldn't need anything fancy	03:05
cycom	is it a fresh install?	03:05
tyg13	its running ibex (ugh)	03:06
mneptok	tyg13: if you don't have any critical data on the machine, re-install using encrypted LVM (get the -alternate CD)	03:06
mneptok	encrypted LVM should be de rigeur on laptops	03:07
mneptok	/rant	03:07
cycom	mneptok: meh. you can always encrypt individual key files. It means that you have to type passwords on every boot, and I use my laptop as a server as well	03:07
cycom	so when I reboot a machine remotely...	03:08
tyg13	I have a 120g external harddrive, if anything goes wrong, should I backup my / and /home directories?	03:08
cycom	aint a damn thing I can do.	03:08
tyg13	!language \| cycom	03:08
ubottu	cycom: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.	03:08
cycom	tyg13: generally home is the only thing you need to back up.	03:09
mneptok	cycom: use LVM and a smartcard with the key :P	03:09
tyg13	/hypocrisy	03:09
cycom	mneptok: my laptops don't have sc readers.	03:09
tyg13	cycom: But doesn't usr have all my programs?	03:09
mneptok	cycom: and no USB?	03:09
cycom	tyg13: how many things have you manually installed	03:09
cycom	mneptok: I don't want to spend money on a USB smartcard reader wither.	03:10
cycom	either*	03:10
mneptok	i liked "wither" :)	03:10
mneptok	"hello, $vendor? the USB smartcard reader you sold me is turning brown and drying up ..."	03:10
cycom	heh	03:10
tyg13	cycom: Not much	03:10
cycom	tyg13: anything outside of using the package manageR?	03:11
cycom	manager*	03:11
tyg13	only one compilable binary and most of them using either apt-get or synaptic	03:11
cycom	if not, then all the data you want is in /home anyhow, just use apt-get to re-install packages if the fecal matter impacts a turbine.	03:11
mneptok	tyg13: does this laptop leave your house? if so, encrypted LVM is something you should strongly consider.	03:11
tyg13	mneptok: Every weekend.	03:12
mneptok	tyg13: get yourself the Hardy -alternate CD image	03:12
tyg13	mneptok: Does that allow package selectment?	03:12
mneptok	tyg13: how do you mean?	03:12
cycom	mneptok: can't you do it from the intrepid livecd as well?	03:13
tyg13	mneptok; I personally was very saddened by how I couldn't preset packages to be installed for my ubuntu	03:13
tyg13	Although I might setup a partition for, GASP OpenSUSE	03:13
tyg13	Oh and biases aside, I'm extremely fascinated with linux, so should I have more than 1 distro on my HDD at one time?	03:22
LSD\|Ninja	tyg13: if you want	03:22
cycom	tyg13: honestly, I would get used to ubuntu, and run a gentoo install in a virtual machine	03:23
cycom	tyg13: gentoo is very...educational into some of the inner workings of linux, especially compiling a kernel	03:24
cycom	tyg13: but again, my suggestion would be to run ubuntu primarily	03:25
tyg13	cycom: I'm very interested in the kernel. I've learned quiote a bit of C++ but I know I need C. I only know rudimentary C.	03:25
tyg13	cycom: Should I use VirtualBox to install Gentoo after I reinstall Hardy?	03:26
cycom	tyg13: you shouldn't have to re-install hardy	03:26
tyg13	I hate Intrepid	03:26
cycom	why?	03:26
mneptok	cycom: for encryption he'll need to reinstall	03:27
mneptok	and i strongly recommend encryption for laptops that move with frequency	03:27
tyg13	I cannot have more virtual workspaces without deactivating compiz. Also, my drivers don't work properly in intrepid	03:27
cycom	tyg13: you can have more virtual workspaces. you just have to adjust them in compiz	03:27
mneptok	tyg13: this is why i told you to download and install Hardy	03:28
cycom	tyg13: compizconfig-settings-manager	03:28
tyg13	Yeah, and rows don't work	03:28
cycom	tyg13: they do if you increase the vertical desktop size...	03:28
mneptok	tyg13: as a new user you should not be running development versions	03:28
tyg13	I tried	03:28
tyg13	mneptok: I like testing things	03:28
cycom	tyg13: huh. I mean, I've had no issues with my 3x3 desktop...	03:29
tyg13	mneptok: However, Alpha seems to be a little too unfinished to test	03:29
mneptok	tyg13: then stop complaining :P	03:29
cycom	tyg13: do you have compizconfig-settings-manager?	03:29
tyg13	i do	03:29
tyg13	I know, I must sound like a whiny ***** don't I? :D	03:29
cycom	tyg13: would you mind letting me know what your current vertical/horizontal desktop settings are?	03:29
mneptok	tyg13: you cannot have rows with an odd number of workspaces. only even.	03:29
tyg13	....	03:30
* tyg13 smacks forehead		03:30
cycom	mneptok: what are you talking about? I have a 3x3 box...	03:30
mneptok	cycom: sorry, "an undivisible by whole"	03:30
mneptok	e.g. 7	03:30
cycom	uh...	03:30
tyg13	it only allows rows with none graphcs	03:30
tyg13	it only allows rows with none graphics setting	03:30
cycom	tyg13: I now have a 7x4 desktop (seven across, 4 high) with compiz...	03:31
cycom	where did you change your settings exactly?	03:31
tyg13	compiz Config Settings Manager	03:32
cycom	what area there?	03:32
tyg13	I know, go into General Settings	03:32
tyg13	I have to disable desktop cube to do more rows	03:32
cycom	what do you have horizontal and vertical set for right now?	03:33
tyg13	2x4	03:33
cycom	oh, the cube won't show more than one row, but you can still have more than one row	03:33
cycom	expo for example will still show all your row	03:33
cycom	rows*	03:33
tyg13	I know, I have it all working now with desktop wall	03:33
tyg13	I'll miss my cube though	03:33
cycom	so just use cube most of the time, and only use Expo when you need extra rows..	03:34
tyg13	Also, How come the preferences only work on hardy (workspace switcher)	03:34
cycom	which preferences?	03:35
tyg13	workspace switcher's preferences	03:36
tyg13	I can't change rows or columns with workspace switcher	03:36
sidewalk	how come my touchpad doesnt work as a mouse?	03:39
tyg13	Much better. Now my screen isn't all white and shiny. I now have a darker and less eye straining mess of a GUI	03:41
tyg13	I need a break. But sleep means a day closer to school	03:41
tyg13	which already started.	03:41
bsnider	maybe you shouldn't be using alpha software	03:42
tyg13	So stressful. Damn alpha software	03:43
tyg13	argh	03:43
tyg13	!language \| tyg13	03:43
ubottu	tyg13, please see my private message	03:43
sidewalk	bsnider: why have they changed mouse settings for alpha? :-)	03:43
tyg13	I'll do it before someone else does	03:43
bsnider	i imagine because the x-server has gone thourgh so many big changes	03:44
bsnider	everything worked fine on my roommate's crackbook though	03:44
tyg13	is there anything to wake me up if I take a nap? Like software that'll play that annoying system beep like 20 times?	03:45
sidewalk	can i roll back my distro?	03:46
bsnider	quite so	03:47
sidewalk	how?	03:47
bsnider	there are many ways. how did you install intrepid?	03:48
sidewalk	cd, then upgraded from the syste	03:48
sidewalk	can i change /etc/apt/source.list and apt-get upgrade or smth?	03:49
tyg13	I want to roll back	03:49
tyg13	I used upgrade manage -d	03:49
bsnider	that would be one way	03:49
tyg13	I used upgrade manager -d*	03:49
sidewalk	sudo: upgrade: command not found	03:50
bsnider	upgrade-manager -c -d	03:51
tyg13	if I do upgrade-manager -c -d it'll roll back?	03:51
bsnider	change sources.list to read hardy wherever it says intrepid	03:51
sidewalk	i dont have upgrade-manager	03:51
tyg13	yes you o	03:51
tyg13	do*	03:51
tyg13	it comes with all versions of ubuntu	03:52
sidewalk	in what dir?	03:52
bsnider	change sources.list and then so sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade	03:52
sidewalk	bsnider: didnt work	03:58
tyg13	You apparently have to reinstall hardy	03:59
bsnider	what did happen?	03:59
sidewalk	0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.	03:59
bsnider	you're sure you have the hardy stuff loaded in there now?	04:00
sidewalk	no	04:00
sidewalk	how can i be+	04:00
bsnider	open synaptic	04:00
sidewalk	yep	04:00
sidewalk	and?	04:00
bsnider	search for pidgin	04:00
sidewalk	1:2.5.0	04:01
sidewalk	ubuntu2	04:01
bsnider	right-click and select properties	04:01
bsnider	click on the tab that says versions	04:01
bsnider	which versions are available?	04:01
sidewalk	right click on what?	04:02
bsnider	pidgin	04:02
sidewalk	1:2.4.0ubuntu2 (now)	04:02
sidewalk	1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2.1 (hardy-updates)	04:03
sidewalk	1:2.4.1ubuntu2 (hardy)	04:03
sidewalk	sorry, the first one was	04:03
sidewalk	1:2:5:0ubuntu2 (now)	04:03
bsnider	so the hardy stuff is in there	04:04
sidewalk	but is it correct?	04:04
bsnider	what happens when you right-click on pidgin and select reinstall?	04:04
tyg13	I have an important question. Do I need to get the alternate ISO for LVM encryption?	04:05
sidewalk	i cannot	04:05
bsnider	you can't what?	04:05
sidewalk	select "reinstall"	04:09
sidewalk	but i can reinstall Ubutu	04:09
bsnider	here's an idea	04:10
bsnider	remove the ubuntu-desktop package	04:10
bsnider	run apt-get autoclean	04:10
bsnider	then install ubuntu-desktop	04:10
dmoerner	what are you trying to do?	04:10
bsnider	he wants to roll back to hardy	04:10
sidewalk	i dont have ubuntu-desktop	04:11
bsnider	ok, try installing it	04:11
dmoerner	just pin the hardy repos at 1001 in /etc/apt/preferences	04:12
bsnider	he already has the hardy stuff back in the repos	04:12
dmoerner	did pinning at 1001 not work?	04:13
sidewalk	i had the hardy stuff in the repos but couldnt roll back?	04:14
sidewalk	oh well, ill roast a cd tomorrrrow and reinstall	04:14
sidewalk	gotha sleep now thou, good night and thanks	04:14
dmoerner	sidewalk, if you really want to then run this command a bunch of times	04:18
dmoerner	aptitude install apt-show-versions && aptitude install $(apt-show-versions \| grep intrepid \| cut -d '/' -f -1 \| xargs \| sed 's/ /\/hardy /g')/hardy	04:19
bsnider	i'm fairly sure that if he just asks for the hardy ubuntu-desktop package, that it will demand a rollback	04:23
chronographer	hello. I found network-manager was crashing, so uninstalled it, edited /etc/network/interfaces myself and I get this when running ifup wlan0 (a ralink rt73 usb wireless card) http://pastebin.com/m1d1d6c0f am I doing someting wrong?	04:24
dmoerner	bsnider, i'm pretty sure you're wrong.	04:25
CarlFK	live/desktop cd has a /casper dir with vmlinuz and initrd.gz - if I boot those, what should I get ?	04:25
chronographer	wireless works ok, but drops out sometimes... fixes with ifdown, ifup...	04:25
dmoerner	it will never force a downgrade as a result of adding an older package	04:25
bsnider	because the dependencies always say equal to or greater than?	04:26
dmoerner	CarlFK, nothing of use.	04:26
CarlFK	dmoerner: um... then why is it there?	04:27
dmoerner	in 99% of cases, and if they don't then normally they will break	04:27
dmoerner	CarlFK, you need the kernel and initrd to bootstrap the system and provide the kernel. However, the squashfs image on the livecd is the one that contains the majority of the userland	04:27
bsnider	if even one small file says equal to, instead of greater than, the whole thing goes out the window	04:27
dmoerner	bsnider, even aptitude is not smart enough to handle a full downgrade from intrepid to hardy by reinstalling ubuntu-desktop, to my knowledge	04:28
bsnider	no?	04:28
Jordan_U	!downgrade	04:29
ubottu	Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.	04:29
bsnider	i was going to tell that guy the same thing, but didn't havet he words	04:29
chowmeined	did glibc break?	04:30
chronographer	anyone know how to get virtualbox installed on 2.6.27 ??	04:30
bsnider	i can understand their wanting to use intrepid, since it has so much exciting stuff in it, but it's alpha	04:30
dmoerner	bsnider, i just tested it, and it doesn't work. ubuntu-desktop from hardy has zero conflicts with an intrepid install	04:31
bsnider	well, it serves them right for being adventurous	04:31
bsnider	i've got it on an old system downstairs, not in production here	04:32
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bsnider	the shutdown button in intrepid's gnome doesn't work right?	04:41
CarlFK	dmoerner: i did https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot - my exact pxe parms: http://dpaste.com/74908/ but it dropps me to a busybox promp, but without any boot error t: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/livecd3.png	04:46
CarlFK	maybe I should try a stable cd image	04:47
dmoerner	CarlFK, I would recommend that. no guarantees with intrepid	04:53
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EruditeHermit	hi, will the clutter based 3D gdm make intrepid?	05:07
chowmeined	i noticed that too	05:13
chowmeined	the shutdown button is broken	05:14
LSD\|Ninja	it has been for ages	05:14
dmoerner	chowmeined, that is a known bug since like alpha 0	05:14
chowmeined	yea	05:14
chowmeined	so why isnt it fixed?	05:15
dmoerner	i don't know. look at the bts	05:15
chowmeined	well since ive got your attention	05:16
chowmeined	when would be a good time for me to start testing intrepid for hardware issues on a variety of systems?	05:17
chowmeined	dell desktops and servers mostly	05:17
CarlFK	chowmeined: a few weeks ago :)	05:17
LSD\|Ninja	chowmeined: October	05:17
chowmeined	i thought the kernel just changed to 27?	05:17
dmoerner	chowmeined, now, since they just uploaded 2.6.27 update #2	05:17
chowmeined	uh	05:18
CarlFK	chowmeined: one of the kernel devs has been working on an issue that seems to have goon away in .27 - just to make sure it is really undersood	05:18
chowmeined	what will virtualization support be like in server?	05:21
chowmeined	or what is ubuntu's focus?	05:21
chowmeined	are they pushing for kvm? or xen?	05:21
dmoerner	last i checked they were pushing kvm	05:21
chowmeined	yea, ive seen that in the past	05:21
quentusrex_lapto	Does anyone know if it is possible to have the unique openvpn certs(unique to each laptop) all named the same thing? This way the openvpn client configurations could all be put into a deb package?	05:40
tyg13	I have purged the demon that is ibex from my computer.	05:54
tyg13	and fixed my 10 gig swap :D	05:54
bazhang	tyg13, this is very different from hardy/gutsy	05:58
tyg13	bazhang: I understand	05:58
tyg13	bazhang: I won't talk about it. Is there an ubuntu off-topic	05:59
bazhang	tyg13, here is fine :)	06:04
bazhang	tyg13, you are back on hardy? I misunderstood the demon as daemon	06:05
tyg13	bazhang: yeah	06:08
tyg13	I had to fix several things and already had the cd in my drive	06:09
tyg13	such as my 10 gig swap file with 1 gig of RAM	06:09
tyg13	Swap is now about 2.5 gig as needed to be	06:09
bazhang	tyg13, you back on hardy? sorry for the misunderstanding :)	06:09
tyg13	bazhang, yeah	06:10
tyg13	bazhang, This place is like, dead	06:10
bazhang	tyg13, support in #ubuntu ; chat in #ubuntu-offtopic :)	06:10
bazhang	tyg13, it is only alpha 4 :)	06:10
tyg13	ohhh	06:10
tyg13	I thought so	06:10
tyg13	But I wasn't sure	06:11
bazhang	tyg13, wait til beta at least :)	06:11
tyg13	I know, I jump the gun all the time. I installed Vista back when it was beta and I was a windows guru. I killed my poor little laptop with 1 ghz processor and 512 meg of ram	06:11
bazhang	heh	06:12
bazhang	but we are offtopic here :) better let the developers their room :)	06:12
tyg13	it was limping with Firefox open	06:12
tyg13	I have given help before with ubuntu, I'm only new when it comes to stuff like swap files. Stuff that is Linux-exclusive	06:13
tyg13	have you tried anything other than ubuntu?	06:14
* bazhang heads to #ubuntu-offtopic		06:14
Jordan_U	Yay, with the new kernel I have broken sound but ath5k works!	07:12
sploh	i install intrepid about a week ago, when its kernel 2.6.25 tapping is still usable, but after update to kernel 2.6.27 tapping doesn't work anymore	07:20
cycom	sploh: tapping as in synaptics touchpad tapping?	07:21
sploh	anyone else encounters this problem?	07:21
sploh	yup	07:21
cycom	sploh: actually, I just tested it and yeah, same deal.	07:21
sploh	kk	07:22
cycom	huh. hadn't even noticed. I mostly use the buttons, but I can see how that'd be annoying.	07:22
cycom	I have SHMConfig enabled and gsynaptics doesn't work with it either.	07:23
sploh	ic	07:24
sploh	gtg for work,	07:25
sploh	bye	07:25
level1	hi, i have a broken intrepid alpha install from a few weeks ago and I want to see if upgrading or modifing it will get it usable. The problem is that the intrepid partition is 64bit and I'm runnig 32bit hardy. Is there a way to chroot into or run apt on this intrepid partition from a 32 bit system?	08:21
level1	is there a way to run apt on a different system than the one I'm currently on?	08:21
peanutb	level1: chrooting should work	08:31
peanutb	but you might want to boot a 64bit live cd though	08:32
peanutb	just to be safe	08:32
level1	peanutb: as far as I know, you can't chroot from a 32 bit system to a 64 bit. When i try it I get "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error"	08:33
level1	I could do it if I had a 64 bit kernel but I don't	08:35
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Myrtti	hello	09:36
Myrtti	could someone help me debug what's wrong with .27 kernel as it doesn't get past usb devices and mount /	09:37
Myrtti	http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2810924642/ :-<	11:08
denga	i have tried to use my fritz isdn card with intrepid, but there are no driver in linux-restricted-modules. can you give me any hint?	11:35
quentusrex_lapto	Does anyone know how to generate more entropy for gpg? I have a headless server that doesn't have enough..... :(	11:43
quentusrex_lapto	I need to generate 285 more bytes, but I can't seem to gernate more than 50 before the kernel 'cleans up the entropy'	11:44
SwedeMike	hm, so I just installed alpha4 and did apt-get dist-upgrade. system->administration menu doesn't have any "network settings", it only contains "network tools". Right now I have modified my /etc/network/interfaces file to have static IP, but dhclient is being run at startup which messes it up	12:40
SwedeMike	as it'll change my IP after a while. I can of course kill it to work around the problem, but how do I solve it properly?	12:41
LSD\|Ninja	You can install the old network panel. I forget how though. No idea why it was dropped but Ubuntu's been doing that a bit lately	12:43
quentusrex	How do I create a package if the only thing the package is suppose to do is copy a file to a specific folder? That's it. Just copy the file to the folder... No source code...	13:00
Myrtti	say - what?	13:08
Turski	damn, can't get nvidia driver to work	13:19
Turski	X doesn't start with xorg.conf that has nvidia driver, but starts without xorg.conf	13:20
denga	i have tried to use my fritz isdn card with intrepid, but there are no driver in linux-restricted-modules. can you give me any hint?	13:34
Lunks	That was the fast X auto-recovery ever since. :D	14:18
Lunks	fastest*	14:18
Lunks	But I lost my touchpad, it's not synchronizing	14:18
Lunks	[ 179.749039] psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 1 bytes away.	14:19
oliver_g1	hi	14:28
oliver_g1	does anyone know why xserver-xorg-core now conflicts with xserver-xorg-input-2?	14:30
oliver_g1	most drivers now seem to provide xserver-xorg-input-2.1, but why was that changed?	14:30
ToHellWithGA	denga: can you build the module from svn?	14:35
ToHellWithGA	i'm not familiar with fritz isdn	14:35
ToHellWithGA	i'd think you could svn checkout a known stable revision and build it for your platform	14:35
denga	ToHellWithGA: i don't try it yet	14:37
denga	i thougth they are in the restricted-modules	14:38
ToHellWithGA	right	14:39
ToHellWithGA	they have to be built from something or come from some binary	14:39
ToHellWithGA	if you can figure out where the restricted module came from you can likely roll your own	14:39
Lunks	denga: What's the issue, if I may ask?	14:40
denga	in hardy... there is a bug... i made my own package... i thought i can know use the original package... but now ist the driver is gone... when is implemented a later stage... its ok.. when not.. i will make my own	14:42
denga	puhh	14:42
denga	:-)	14:42
denga	but i didnt found any information	14:43
Lunks	denga: hmm how is this related to Intrepid?	14:44
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denga	i will use a fritz card with intrepid?	14:47
denga	we build remix... für asterisk... now with hardy... but when intrepid released... we will use it, but isdn must work	14:48
Lunks	denga: Are you trying to do whatever you are doing with Intrepid right now?	14:50
denga	no	14:50
denga	its the second day my raid work	14:51
Lunks	denga: I don't get it why you're seeking support on #ubuntu+1, if you're not using Intrepid. :P	14:51
denga	lol... now i have intrepit	14:52
denga	d	14:52
denga	and the first thing i try... was my isdn car	14:52
denga	then i looked in the resticted modules source and saw... no fritz.. no nvidia... many changes	14:53
denga	wenn the a driver out the in future, i don't need to build my own	14:54
denga	sorry for my poor english	14:54
Guest69702	Hello, i have an Asus (Z83Cseries) notebook, and it seems heating.... from january to today, the notebook performance shows signs that it has dropped. If i do acpi -V, thermal 1: 97 degrees C. Any idea how i can make it run better? On the early ages i used this notebook, it ran windows in VMware nicely... however if i open a vm, performance drops and starts to run lower.... also usually the performance drops, coincidently ive noticed the	14:54
Pici	denga: Thats what an alpha version is all about, things don't work, thats normal.	14:54
denga	thats right... thats the reason i try it now... bug reporting ;-)	14:55
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Q-FUNK	I just upgraded a development workstation to Intrepid and cannot seem to get any vcons anymore. 'ps' shows that I have getty running where it shuld, except that there's no login prompt.	14:55
Q-FUNK	'lsmod' shows that uvesafb is loaded.	14:57
Q-FUNK	what could I possibly be missing?	14:57
denga	i think its better i go and learn a bit more english ;-) thanks for help... next time with better english and better questions	14:58
oliver_g1	denga: maybe you could ask in your local #ubuntu channel?	14:58
oliver_g1	like #ubuntu-de	14:59
denga	i used the forum an wait for an answer	14:59
IdleOne	one good thing is that I can bootup 2.6.27-2-generic	15:12
Lunks	denga: where r u from?	15:15
Walzmyn	is this the right place for intrepid questions? i've been run all over freenode trying to find someone who won't gimme an off topic tiraid	15:30
bazhang	depends	15:30
bazhang	asking that way wont get much help anywhere	15:30
Walzmyn	I've tried downloading it twice and both times it has failed to install in a virtualbox, i was just wondering if anybody else was having problems	15:31
Walzmyn	well, if people would just say "there's a specific channel" that'd be nice, but I get yelled at for asking off topic quesitons when I'm asking about the blooming distro	15:32
bazhang	the offtopic factoid includes info on this channel.	15:32
bazhang	And I told you the channel as well.	15:33
Walzmyn	yeah, that was round 2	15:33
Walzmyn	the people in #kubuntu got really pissy	15:33
Walzmyn	I don't understand what the big deal is, we're all family right?	15:34
bazhang	intrepid is alpha 4; it may well not work how you want or expect at this point	15:34
oliver_g1	Walzmyn: there's a problem with booting Intrepid in Virtualbox (see the Caveats section at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4)	15:34
Walzmyn	Anyway - ya think my problems are my download or VB?	15:34
Walzmyn	oliver_g1, that took a min to come in. thanks for the link	15:42
dbglt	what repo do I need to add to enable kde 4.1 (or higher) builds in interpid?	15:47
oliver_g1	does anyone here get an error message from file-roller when opening a file on a remote directory?	16:03
oliver_g1	like, on a Samba share or over sftp?	16:03
Trewas	oliver_g1: I don't think file-roller uses gvfs (yet?) so that's as expected	16:07
oliver_g1	Trewas: it works in Hardy :-)	16:07
Trewas	hrm, maybe something else then :)	16:08
oliver_g1	if you have an Intrepid system available right now and have network connection, could you try that?	16:08
oliver_g1	just go to some remote directory in nautilus, and open a .tgz or .zip file there	16:09
Trewas	sorry, I have intrepid on a laptop which is at work	16:09
tgrundle1	oliver_g1, just tried your test on my intrepid box and got an error message: "Could not open <file> operation not supported"	16:13
oliver_g1	yes	16:13
oliver_g1	that's what I get as well	16:13
oliver_g1	thanks for testing :-)	16:13
tgrundle1	np	16:13
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oliver_g1	(I'll add a bug report, but ere it's forgotten: the Report a Problem link in file-roller seems broken as well; it only gives an error on stderr if used)	16:15
trontonic	Anyone else have trouble with Intrepid and the latest libc update?	16:20
oliver_g1	trontonic: what kind of trouble?	16:21
oliver_g1	I have updated maybe 4 hours ago but don't see any problems...	16:22
trontonic	oliver_g1: ldconfig segfaults when libc6 is being installed. I had to burn an intrepid-CD, boot from that one and copy over all files belonging to the libc6 package in order to be able to boot again	16:22
oliver_g1	huh...	16:23
oliver_g1	no, didn't have any problems like that	16:23
trontonic	oliver_g1: I don't know enough about what happened to know which package I should report a bug for. If you can help me investigate the issue, it would be appreciated.	16:23
oliver_g1	can you reproduce the problem?	16:23
jrib	Threethan: you haven't said anything here	16:23
trontonic	oliver_g1: Reproducing the problem involves leaving the system in a broken state. I don't really want to do that, if possible.	16:24
oliver_g1	:-)	16:24
trontonic	oliver_g1: All I did was upgrading libc6. Is there any log-files that might help?	16:24
trontonic	*Are	16:25
oliver_g1	not sure...	16:25
oliver_g1	do you have anything in /var/crash/ ?	16:25
Turl	Hello	16:25
trontonic	oliver_g1: here's how it looks when I run "dpkg --configure -a" (which is not in the happy place right now): ldconfig deferred processing now taking place	16:26
trontonic	Segmentation fault (core dumped)	16:26
oliver_g1	nice	16:26
Turl	I wonder if there is an easy way of cleaning my kernel lists that doesn't require me to search for them on apt* and uninstalling by hand?	16:26
oliver_g1	trontonic: did you get some "crash dialog" on the screen?	16:26
oliver_g1	or is there a file in /var/crash/?	16:27
trontonic	oliver_g1: yes, /var/crash have 7 files with cryptic content	16:27
oliver_g1	what file names?	16:27
trontonic	oliver_g1: _sbin_ldconfig.real.0.crash _usr_bin_miro.real.1000.crash	16:27
trontonic	_usr_bin_blender-bin.1000.crash _usr_bin_yelp.1000.crash	16:27
trontonic	_usr_bin_deluge.1000.crash _usr_sbin_atieventsd.0.crash	16:27
trontonic	_usr_bin_gnome-power-manager.1000.crash	16:27
trontonic	oliver_g1: I get several "crash dialogs" almost daily	16:28
trontonic	oliver_g1: mostly connected to Gnome	16:28
oliver_g1	and I suppose the _sbin_ldconfig.real.0.crash file has been created just now?	16:28
trontonic	oliver_g1: no, it's from 2008-08-29 01:46	16:28
Turl	anyone?	16:28
trontonic	oliver_g1: (and I'm GMT+2 right now)	16:29
oliver_g1	trontonic: ah yes, I think if there is already a file in /var/crash for an application, it won't create a second one	16:29
oliver_g1	(probably so the disk is not filled with those crash logs :-)	16:29
trontonic	oliver_g1: well, that's nice feature, I guess ;)	16:30
oliver_g1	well you could start by searching at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ for crashes in ldconfig	16:30
trontonic	oliver_g1: I assume that libc6 is the package to report a bug for, then, since ldconfig belongs to that one?	16:31
oliver_g1	yes; run "dpkg-query -S ldconfig" to find the package where a file belongs to	16:31
trontonic	oliver_g1: do you happen to know how to force "dpkg --configure -a" to be happy again?	16:31
trontonic	oliver_g1: I can't upgrade any packages in the current state	16:31
oliver_g1	no, not really :-/	16:32
oliver_g1	(no idea, I mean)	16:32
trontonic	oliver_g1: okay, thanks :)	16:32
oliver_g1	well there are some --force- parameters for dpkg, that might help	16:32
trontonic	oliver_g1: problem is, if I force it to install the latest libc6, that's when my system will break again :]	16:32
oliver_g1	oh, also, you could try replacing the ldconfig application with a "dummy" one, so ldconfig isn't actually run	16:33
trontonic	oliver_g1: I want to force it to pretend that a libc6 upgrade hasn't happened :)	16:33
oliver_g1	oh...	16:33
trontonic	oliver_g1: do you know if it's possible to install libc6 from svn or something?	16:33
oliver_g1	maybe download the previous libc6 packages from somewhere (as .deb files) and install them?	16:33
trontonic	hm, yes	16:34
oliver_g1	anyway, better check for bug reports first; maybe someone else had the problem as well and has a solution	16:34
trontonic	oliver_g1: Do you know how to get hold of the intrepid package for the previous release? I think getting hold of the hardy-package might be too big of a step backwards	16:34
trontonic	oliver_g1: Okay, I'll check launchpad. Thanks.	16:35
ToHellWithGA	RAOF: marco	16:36
Turl	hi again	16:37
Turl	is there any way to remove older kernels without manually uninstalling tons of packages?	16:38
oliver_g1	Turl: I think there was some feature planned (or actually created) for removing those old kernels	16:39
oliver_g1	you might better ask in #ubuntu , though (this channel here is for questions for the next version)	16:39
Turl	yeah, but I'm using intrepid though	16:40
oliver_g1	Turl: interestingly there are at least five blueprints for a "remove old kernels" feature :-)	16:51
Turl	:o	16:51
oliver_g1	and this one here is even set to High Priority and apparently targeted for Intrepid: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cleanup-cruft	16:52
LSD\|Ninja	what about a "change default OS" feature?	16:52
Turl	you can do it by hand :p	16:52
LSD\|Ninja	bugger that	16:52
oliver_g1	what do you mean with "change default OS"?	16:53
oliver_g1	you can run a default Ubuntu installation and select "use whole disk", and voila! there's your new default OS :-D	16:53
LSD\|Ninja	For instance, when you install Intrepid it adds itself to grub and makes itself the default. I want something more convenient than hacking the grub.conf file (which risks stepping on the toes of the automatic setup that seems to be in place) to change the default	16:54
LSD\|Ninja	I'm not averse to manual hacking I just don't believe it should be necessary at all in a distribution of this nature	16:55
Turl	edit /boot/grub/menu.lst	16:55
Turl	or just use that program designed to edit that	16:55
LSD\|Ninja	Turl: learn to read please	16:56
Turl	I don't remember its name now :S	16:56
oliver_g1	grubconf?	16:56
Turl	nope	16:57
Turl	startupmanager I think it is	16:57
oliver_g1	LSD\|Ninja: might make sense to have some little GUI somwhere to switch between the two or three installed systems...	16:57
oliver_g1	from usability point, it might be better to just remember the last choice ade in grub boot menu	16:58
LSD\|Ninja	oliver_g1: that would be kinda difficult I would think, easier just to give the user more control of menu.lst from the GUI. Something along the lines of what NT has, maybe	16:59
oliver_g1	LSD\|Ninja: no idea what NT has; but I doubt the "normal user" needs wants to rummage in the boot manager config	17:00
Turl	use startupmanager and problem solver	17:00
Turl	problem solved*	17:00
LSD\|Ninja	OK... so how does startup-manager gets its info on what operating systems are present? I'm not seeing any Intrepid yet there's an entry for Fedora that I removed from that box ages ago...	17:09
quentusrex	Is there a way to run 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade' without having to type a password? so that a normal user can run the script that will run the upgrade?	17:23
BUGabundo	quentusrex that would be a breach of security	17:24
trontonic	quentusrex: yes, search for "sudo" and "visudo"	17:24
quentusrex	BUGabundo, I want to be able to allow normal users to run apt-get upgrade	17:24
quentusrex	so that normal users can keep the system up to date.	17:24
BUGabundo	look at policykit	17:24
bazhang	quentusrex, this is with ubuntu hardy or intrepid	17:25
quentusrex	both	17:25
trontonic	BUGabundo: it's not a breach of security to give permission to some users to run apt-get upgrade	17:25
BUGabundo	humm it is	17:25
BUGabundo	trontonic: they can break a system	17:25
trontonic	BUGabundo: yes, but if you've given them permission, it's not a breach of security	17:25
BUGabundo	other wise, why not just run it as ROOT	17:25
quentusrex	BUGabundo, not when it's 100 workstations on my local lan, and the only repo they have is my local repo	17:25
trontonic	exactly	17:26
quentusrex	they can only install the software I've added to my repo	17:26
BUGabundo	quentusrex that's easy...	17:26
BUGabundo	use ssh keys	17:26
BUGabundo	and a script on a central machine loging in	17:26
BUGabundo	and running the command	17:26
quentusrex	No. I want the users to be able to determine when to upgrade	17:26
BUGabundo	or put it in cron and run it as root	17:26
quentusrex	I don't want to accidentally upgrade while they are in the middle of work.	17:26
BUGabundo	quentusrex why?	17:26
BUGabundo	if there are security updates they should be applied	17:27
quentusrex	I don't care if they break their local machines.	17:27
trontonic	quentusrex: I would think adding them to the sudo-permissions should work nicely for you.	17:27
quentusrex	is there a way to give a specific user the ability to run apt? like add them to a group? where they don't have to type a password when they run it.	17:28
quentusrex	trontonic, I don't want them to have to type a password to confirm.	17:28
trontonic	quentusrex: yes, search for sudo and visudo, for the third time :)	17:28
trontonic	quentusrex: they don't have to	17:28
quentusrex	they have to type their own password for sudo	17:28
quentusrex	I don't want them to have to type anything	17:28
trontonic	quentusrex: not if you configure it so that they don't have to	17:28
quentusrex	oh???	17:28
BUGabundo	and also look at policykit and System->Admin->Authorizations	17:28
BUGabundo	quentusrex I guess you are looking for this	17:31
BUGabundo	# Uncomment to allow members of group sudo to not need a password	17:31
BUGabundo	%sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL	17:31
trontonic	BUGabundo: that's a bit excessive, and you know that :)	17:31
BUGabundo	anybody here having screen refresh probs with 2.6.27 and nvidia 117?	17:32
Volkodav	does nvidia work on 2.6.27-2 kernel ?	17:32
BUGabundo	117 does	17:32
Volkodav	hmm	17:32
crdlb	177*	17:33
BUGabundo	Volkodav: http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/	17:33
BUGabundo	NVIDIA and kernel 2.6.27:	17:33
BUGabundo	Currently only driver 177.68 seems to work with 2.6.27. I have written a patch for driver 173 too, however I’m experiencing a rather nasty problem.	17:33
crdlb	but if you don't have a geforce 6+ or an SSE-capaple cpu ...	17:33
BUGabundo	so	17:34
BUGabundo	is anybody here having screen refresh probs with 2.6.27 and nvidia 177?	17:34
BUGabundo	I see leftovers of lots of artifacs on my screen	17:34
BUGabundo	speaclly KDE apps, like kmail	17:35
BUGabundo	but even console or pidgin are experiencing this	17:35
LSD\|Ninja	compiz?	17:35
BUGabundo	maybe this http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088	17:36
BUGabundo	yes, I have compiz enabled, LSD\|Ninja	17:36
BUGabundo	I can turn it of and test	17:36
BUGabundo	ROFL	17:37
BUGabundo	compiz.real just crashed	17:37
BUGabundo	even after I turned it off	17:37
BUGabundo	lol	17:37
BUGabundo	apport is uploading now	17:37
BUGabundo	8.8MiBs of debug	17:38
BUGabundo	xiii	17:38
Awsoonn	just did a dist-upgrade to find ubuntu-desktop not installed	17:55
Awsoonn	as was half of gnome, it seems to have somethign to do with a dependancy relating to scrollkeeper.	17:56
Awsoonn	http://pastebin.com/d5f2ae9a5	17:56
BUGabundo	shouldn't update-manager force ubuntu-desktop to be instaled before an upgrade?	17:57
BUGabundo	Awsoonn: did you use apt-get distupgrade or updatemanager?	17:57
Awsoonn	BUGabundo: first shot was the updatemanager	18:00
Awsoonn	then, yea, accually I only use4d the updatemanager	18:01
BUGabundo	Awsoonn: update-manager -d !?	18:02
BUGabundo	if so, please file a bug ticket	18:02
BUGabundo	what version were you using of Ubuntu?	18:03
Awsoonn	I was on 8.04 going to 8.10 there were many errors	18:05
Awsoonn	so I hope it was just a sid effect of one of those, I posted all teh standard logs an number of times allready	18:06
sploh	yup, tap click on touchpad is not working on kernel 2.6.27	18:06
Awsoonn	installing ubuntu-desktop seemd to fix a lot	18:06
BUGabundo	yes you are right sploh.... addnt found that one yet	18:07
BUGabundo	any lp id for it?	18:07
sploh	i'm currently using light weight desktop enviroment (lxde)	18:08
sploh	idk	18:08
BUGabundo	Awsoonn: as I said, please file a bug against update-manager. it should have installed u-desktop before upgrade	18:08
Awsoonn	10-4	18:09
BUGabundo	sorry?	18:09
Awsoonn	next question is. how does the new xorg.conf-less thing work with duelhead?	18:09
Awsoonn	because my second screen is very pretty, but not too usefll at the moment.	18:09
Awsoonn	specificly, xorg is nto using the nvidia driver	18:10
sploh	i'm not good in this linux thingy	18:10
sploh	still learning	18:11
Awsoonn	should it have been automagic?	18:11
DanaG	Oh hey, anybody able to figure out what's going on from strace output? When I boot the 2.6.27 kernel, gnome-session is severely broken -- it staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllls and takes a really ridiculously long time to log in -- and then some things, such as Nautilus or the panel, don't work.	18:12
DanaG	I'll pastebin it.	18:13
BUGabundo	Awsoonn: when I replaced my old laptop with and intel, for the new with nvidia, I was hoping to connect to externl LCDs and TVs without many troubles	18:13
BUGabundo	that's not the case	18:13
BUGabundo	very few times I was sucessuful in connecting to external LCD	18:13
BUGabundo	DanaG: no slow down here!	18:14
DanaG	http://pastebin.com/f5fe34e46	18:14
DanaG	There are quite a lot of EAGAIN going on, over and over.	18:15
BotLobsta	anyone know how i can determine what caused a kernel panic?	18:16
BotLobsta	like is there a log file that is written out somewhere?	18:17
BUGabundo	BotLobsta: logs ?!	18:17
LSD\|Ninja	It wasn't a bot, it was a BOT LOBSTER!	18:17
BotLobsta	or a dump of any kind?	18:18
trontonic	BotLobsta: look at one of the freshest files in /var/logs	18:18
BotLobsta	i cant find anything in there that indicates a kernel panic	18:21
BotLobsta	it happened overnight so i have no idea what could have caused it	18:22
trontonic	BotLobsta: how about /var/crash ?	18:23
BotLobsta	trontonic, nothing recent in there	18:25
Volkodav	I did the upgrade and xserver won't start ?	18:25
Volkodav	?	18:26
Volkodav	?	18:27
BotLobsta	Volkodav, are you using the nvidia driver?	18:31
Oli``	Right Intrepid users if I decided to upgrade to II right now, what would break? I use (lots) gnome, nvidia drivers, compiz, gvfs, flash, Wine and virtualbox (sun version)	18:32
Unksi	Oli``: virtualbox is broken until sun releases a version that works with .27	18:32
Unksi	nvidia just got fixed	18:32
Oli``	I'm already on the beta drivers so I've been through that circle of hell already =)	18:33
Oli``	does the OSE version of VB work?	18:33
Oli``	or are they all incompatible with .27?	18:33
Unksi	probably not, as its about the kernel api as far as i know	18:33
Oli``	fair enough - right that might be enough of a blocker on its own	18:34
trontonic	BotLobsta: then I'm all out of ideas. If it's a hard hang without any logs, it might be caused by a part overheating.	18:36
BotLobsta	trontonic, i found a few things saying there was a "soft lock" on one of my CPU's because it was stuck for a minute, but that happened half an hour before it panicked	18:39
BotLobsta	and is there any way to reload an X module without restarting X?	18:39
trontonic	BotLobsta: not that I know of, but I guess it's always a theoretical possibility, since it's all about flipping bits of memory...	18:41
quentusrex_lapto	Why does ubuntu keep asking my user for the sudo password?	18:42
quentusrex_lapto	I'm trying to enable users to be able to sudo without retyping their password....	18:42
quentusrex_lapto	# User privilege specification	18:42
quentusrex_lapto	root ALL=(ALL) ALL	18:42
quentusrex_lapto	cxs ALL=(ALL) ALL	18:42
quentusrex_lapto	cxs ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL	18:42
quentusrex_lapto	why does it still ask for a password?	18:43
Awsoonn	the discription for nvidia-glx-177, 173, 96 all have the same discription with the same list of suported hardware. Isn't this wrong?	18:46
Unksi	Awsoonn: sounds like it is, especially considering 177 and 96	18:48
cypherdelic	My dvb stick doesnt work nomore with 2.6.27	18:50
cypherdelic	its msi digivox mini II V3.0	18:50
cypherdelic	i followed the instruction of http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/MSI_DigiVox_mini_II_V3.0	18:50
cypherdelic	but i get an error during the "make" of my driver, please help heres the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/41935/	18:51
cypherdelic	/home/cypher/af9015/v4l/cxusb.c: In function 'bluebird_patch_dvico_firmware_download':	18:53
cypherdelic	/home/cypher/af9015/v4l/cxusb.c:704: error: assignment of read-only location '*(fw->data + ((long unsigned int)(long unsigned int)idoff + 2u))'	18:53
cypherdelic	/home/cypher/af9015/v4l/cxusb.c:706: error: assignment of read-only location '*(fw->data + ((long unsigned int)(long unsigned int)idoff + 3u))'	18:53
Turski	how do i edit samba settings graphically in intrepid?	18:55
Turski	in kde control center everything is just greyed and tehres no administrator button like in kde3	18:56
JontheEchidna	kdesudo systemsettings	18:57
Turski	ok	18:57
cypherdelic	i guess its about the new usb driver in 2.6.27, any ideas how to fix hat manually?	18:58
DanaG	Oh heyas, I figured out what the PROBLEM is (that's breaking gnome-session).... but not what the SOLUTION is.	19:23
DanaG	It seems gnome-session isn't starting a dbus session.	19:23
sploh	hi	19:31
sploh	i found the tap click fix	19:32
sploh	https://launchpad.net/~knorr/+archive	19:32
Myrtti	sploh: oooh	19:37
nesw	the ibex kernel has paniced under virtualbox for me since 8/25. known issue?	19:46
TheInfinity	yes	19:46
TheInfinity	some ppl wrote that it wont run at all in any vm manager	19:46
TheInfinity	and this is wrong ;)	19:46
TheInfinity	but there are some probs with vms, yes	19:46
nesw	okay nice to know it's not just me. i just run older kernels for now	19:48
oliver_g1	nesw: see the Caveats sections at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4	20:04
nesw	ah. that'll come in handy. thanks	20:07
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Nash	alguien a insalado intrepid ibex	20:54
Myrtti	so, lets say I reconfigured my keyboard with sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup	21:03
Myrtti	and broke my synaptics in the process...	21:03
Myrtti	any ideas how to fix that?	21:03
Nash	someone install intrepid ibex	21:05
Turl	Nash, si	21:05
TheInfinity	your in intrepid channel ... :p	21:06
dmoerner	Myrtti, you could try reseting it with dpkg-reconfigure -phigh console-setup and then rebooting	21:06
DanaG	Aah, I fixed my gnome session.	21:07
Myrtti	oh, and my earlier problems were fixed with disabling usplash and removing the restricted kernel modules.	21:08
Myrtti	(the one with .27 kernel not booting)	21:08
DanaG	http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org/msg13142.html	21:09
DanaG	Disabling the dbus-launch thingy fixed it.	21:09
AirBender	Hello guys, is there an official bug regarding nvidia drivers since the last update?	21:16
AirBender	I have version 177 and an 8600GT and just can't go into graphics mode with this driver	21:16
Volkodav	xorg-server does not start after upgrade ?	21:17
dmoerner	AirBender, does the kernel module build cleanly?	21:17
AirBender	I think so	21:17
Volkodav	on 2.27.2 kernel	21:17
Volkodav	AirBender: same here	21:17
AirBender	yeap that's my kernel version	21:17
Volkodav	I have 8400 GS	21:17
Volkodav	my xserver won't start at all	21:18
Volkodav	will try to configure manually	21:18
AirBender	i'm not sure if it's the kernel upgrade, or the last xorg patch, something for synaptics input	21:18
TheInfinity	nvidia driver break? :)	21:18
AirBender	yesp	21:18
TheInfinity	yea g	21:18
AirBender	was working really good until some hours ago	21:18
TheInfinity	lets see what breaks here in my vm ...	21:19
SwedeMike	I did an install 10 hours ago and by then with completely upgraded, 2.6.27 kernel and 177 nvidia driver works with my 7600GT	21:19
SwedeMike	havent rebooted with the new synaptics package that just came out, though	21:19
AirBender	ok	21:20
AirBender	well, I've upgraded last night, but I have rebooted just some hours ago	21:20
AirBender	so far, regardless of this issue, I like intrepid very much	21:21
AirBender	new pidgin is great	21:25
AirBender	npviewer is with problems also	21:25
AirBender	flash sections are grey, and firefox creates new windows for any flash area in the webpage, so weird	21:27
AirBender	when you close any of theese windows, firefox crashes	21:27
DanaG	Flash is a royal pain.	21:30
AirBender	indeed	21:32
Myrtti	that dpkg-reconfigure console-tools did nothing :-<	21:35
Myrtti	still without touchpad	21:35
AirBender	Synaptics input system = touchpad ???	21:36
AirBender	(i'm asking)	21:36
dmoerner	AirBender, yes	21:37
AirBender	ok	21:37
dmoerner	Myrtti, its console-setup i think	21:37
AirBender	because there is an update for xorg and synaptics	21:37
Myrtti	yeah, that	21:37
DanaG	xorg.conf for synaptics has been replaced with a HAL fdi file.	21:46
Myrtti	yup yup	21:48
DanaG	I modified mine (or rather, a copy in /etc/hal/fdi/policy): http://pastebin.com/f3da0f714	21:49
bsnider	is the synaptics driver what's used ont eh crackbooks?	21:50
Myrtti	DanaG: intresting	21:50
Myrtti	DanaG: I've got nothing like that in mine	21:51
Myrtti	http://pastebin.com/m28cf80f9	21:51
DanaG	I made my MaxTapMove very narrow, to make it picky about what it considers a 'tap'.	21:52
Myrtti	DanaG: did those modifications become available on relogin, or did you reboot?	21:56
DanaG	Actually, all I needed was this:	21:56
DanaG	sudo modprobe -r psmouse && sudo modprobe psmouse	21:56
DanaG	Reloads touchpad driver.	21:56
DanaG	or rather, mouse port driver.	21:56
Myrtti	hm	22:02
* Myrtti considers reinstalling		22:02
maccam-sager	what kernel is 8.10 using?	22:04
maccam-sager	or rather, is it going to be using	22:04
dmoerner	maccam-sager, 2.6.27	22:05
maccam-sager	yay	22:05
maccam-sager	i hear there's intel 5300 wifi support in there	22:06
dmoerner	maccam-sager, that is correct, more or less. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/960936	22:08
maccam-sager	hey one of the guys in the thread has a similar laptop to mine haha	22:11
maccam-sager	dmoerner: so i'm guessing because of architectural changes in 2.6.27 there's no way i can compile that driver for ubuntu 8.04?	22:12
dmoerner	maccam-sager, you can use that kernel in 8.04	22:13
maccam-sager	oh really....	22:13
rendero	hi, anyone can boot 2.6.27-2 ?	22:13
maccam-sager	hmmm now to see if there's an official nvidia driver supporting the 9800M GT in linux...	22:14
void^	rendero: yes	22:14
rendero	ok, thanks	22:14
AirBender	rendero, probably a problem with nvidia driver	22:14
void^	(though i do have a little issue with lrm-manager --quick hanging)	22:14
maccam-sager	hey he has exactly the same laptop actually lol	22:15
hardy	Hi, my new laptop contains a Radeon HD 34xx Series card and I am not sure whether I should install xorg-driver-fglrx manually. isn't it open-source yet?	22:16
crdlb	hardy: you'll definitely still need fglrx for 3d acceleration	22:17
rendero	AirBender, i have this problem with the same mother as reported and almost the same cpu , mine is 4800+ dual core amd . https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/262742	22:17
ubottu	Launchpad bug 262742 in linux "linux 64 bit kernel 2.6.27-2 boot freeze on asus m3a motherboard (intrepid)" [Undecided,New]	22:17
dmoerner	hardy, no open source 3d support for r600 cards	22:17
hardy	crdlb, dmoerner: what about the news that amd opened ati driver? just 2d?	22:18
rendero	but my kernel is generic, not 64	22:18
crdlb	hardy: fglrx is still proprietary	22:18
crdlb	it probably always will be	22:18
dmoerner	hardy, they have experimental 3d support for r500. just because they opened the docs doesn't mean drivers appear overnight	22:18
crdlb	what they're doing is opening the card specifications so that an open source driver can be developed	22:18
crdlb	and I don't think r600 3d docs are out yet; they're still working on those	22:19
hardy	crdlb: ok then should I install xserver-xorg-video-radeon or xorg-driver-fglrx	22:19
dmoerner	in any case fglrx doesn't work in intrepid right now and won't work for a month	22:19
crdlb	-fglrx	22:19
crdlb	heh	22:19
crdlb	dmoerner: kernel issues like nvidia?	22:19
hardy	dmoerner: really?! bad luck	22:19
dmoerner	crdlb, no xorg issues. no support for 7.4 because of an ABI change	22:20
AirBender	rendero: I have also generic kernel, and an M2N32-SLI Asus MotherBoard, with nvidia, and after changing the driver to vesa, I'm on gnome. But haven read the link you gave me	22:20
dmoerner	catalyst 8.8 was just released but they pushed back 7.4 support until the next one	22:20
crdlb	dmoerner: oh right, I knew that :/	22:21
rendero	AirBender, ok, so, i will wait, and back to the previous kernel, until the bug will be fixed, it is not good for me trying vesa. i have an 8600 nvidia	22:21
hardy	dmoerner: so if I installed the -fglrx driver in intrepid, would it do any harm?	22:21
dmoerner	hardy, it would do nothing, so i guess you could say that installing broken software won't do harm	22:22
hardy	dmoerner: I just want to make sure my system would update it automatically when a new fixed version comes out	22:23
hardy	dmoerner: if it's not installed may be I won't notice it	22:23
hardy	dmoerner: and what's this radeonhd.org is? I thought it's ati hiring novel to work in the open-source driver	22:24
dmoerner	hardy, yes	22:24
hardy	dmoerner: so instead of paying novel to do it, why don't they just released their closed driver?!	22:25
crdlb	we don't want fglrx's code :>	22:25
dmoerner	hardy, ati's stated position is that they will maintain fglrx as an industry-level solution with support for stable distributions	22:25
dmoerner	radeonhd will be the cutting edge	22:26
dmoerner	it will take a while if ever for that to actually be the case	22:26
crdlb	and they probably couldn't release it anyway due to copyright on all the bits	22:26
hardy	dmoerner: so you think they really care to have open-source drivers but they cannot reveal the fglrx code for legal reasons?	22:27
dmoerner	hardy, i don't know about their intentions but they can't release parts of fglrx for legal reasons yes	22:27
hardy	dmoerner: thanks a lot for your help	22:28
crdlb	also, they are employing at least one radeon driver developer	22:28
hardy	Any one faced a problem after latest updated with kubuntu that cannot log in?	22:28
JontheEchidna	I've heard that the kernel can cause issues with that	22:30
JontheEchidna	*the .27 kernel	22:31
hardy	crdlb: sorry but is the problem with ubuntu packaging or even if I installed from ati site, would I still not be able to install?	22:39
Myrtti	aaaand now the touchpad works again	22:39
crdlb	hardy: still wouldn't work	22:39
crdlb	they need to rebuild it against the new X ABI	22:40
hardy	crdlb: can you point me to a bug to follow?	22:40
crdlb	hardy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/247376 maybe	22:43
ubottu	Launchpad bug 247376 in ubuntu-release-notes "undefined symbols when trying to load fglrx" [Undecided,Confirmed]	22:43
hardy	crdlb: thanks a lot	22:45
Jordan_U	If I see "Intel" in asoundconf list and that is the card I want to be the default the correct command to run is "asoundconf set-default-card Intel" correct? ( I am asking because asoundconf crashes when I run this and I want to rule out PEBKAC before submitting a bug report )	22:54
AirBender	version 173 of nvidia driver works with 2.6.27-2 kernel	23:21
void^	so does 177.70 (with some hacks maybe)	23:25
AirBender	may be	23:26
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