[00:07] hi [00:08] firefox acts all wierd when viewing sites containing flash [00:08] http://omploader.org/vcGtw [00:08] there's a new window created for every flash applet i view [00:08] but nothing gets displayed [00:24] Didn't the context menu used to have an encrypt option for encrypting files? [00:37] Is last-good-boot functionality going to be added to grub2 as well? [00:47] Has the bug with many ATI cards in laptops been fixed? ( Why has the ati on laptop check been removed from compiz ) ? [01:55] Whenever I try to use Extra effects for Ibex, they never apply, even though the radio button works [02:04] In Ibex, I cannot add virtual desktops [02:15] Argh [02:23] are the new nvidia drivers working ? [02:23] I resized my swap and now it does not auto-mount when i boot up. Now I need to do every time: sudo swapon /dev/swap-partition. How to fix it? [02:24] test34, yeah, for me. [02:24] thanks milos [02:24] test34, I have them enabled [02:25] Just out of curiousity, what does the swap do? [02:25] Ill try to restart X then [02:26] tyg13, give more RAM [02:26] milos_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=691986 [02:26] !swap [02:26] swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info [02:26] milos_: Its like virtual RAM? [02:27] if I gave, perhaps 10 gig. Would that be overkill? [02:27] tyg13: its part of you hard drive used as RAM (when ram runs out) [02:27] tyg13: overkill, yes [02:27] tyg13, yeah because it uses swap instead of real RAM [02:27] test34: Oh crap.. [02:28] tyg13, it uses hard disk and hdd is much slower than RAM [02:28] milos_: If I have 1 gig ram, and 10 gig swap which is used? [02:29] 10GB swap, wtf? [02:29] tyg13, it uses RAM, but when you go out of RAM than it starts using swap slowly [02:29] LSD|Ninja: I'm a newbie when it comes to this stuff [02:29] LSD|Ninja: I wasn't sure [02:29] it shows [02:29] G_009: I assume I need WAY less then how much I have? [02:30] tyg13, you don't need more than 1gb of swap only if you are doing some really heavy stuff [02:30] milos_: Well, I never have run out of RAM or experienced much slowdown [02:30] tyg13, ..than you need more swap or better , buy some RAM, it's cheap [02:31] milos_: RAM is how much for a gig? [02:31] depends on what type you have [02:31] Laptop [02:31] for every one gig of ram there should be 2 gigs of swap [02:31] I only need 2 gig then [02:31] tyg13, correct [02:31] G_009: wtf? [02:32] btw, I'm not sure on the exact size of my swap, how can I check? [02:32] through the terminal [02:32] then again not even you have more than 2 gigs of memory, LSD|Ninja [02:32] tyg13, sudo fdisk -l | grep swap [02:33] holy shit [02:33] 19534977 [02:33] blocks [02:33] !language [02:33] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [02:33] sorry [02:34] I was just really surprise [02:34] surprised* [02:34] I seriously allocated 20 gigs to my swap partition [02:34] tyg13, thats in blocks, you need to convert it to Gb [02:34] oh [02:34] how? [02:35] Phew. Its only 10 gig after all [02:36] on a side note.. i set my system without a swap partition having only one gig of ram .. i still havent had any issues running the programs i normally run [02:37] Also, how do I check my system's specs? [02:37] do not try this at home [02:37] try what? [02:37] (not having swap) [02:37] Oh [02:37] I use a laptop [02:38] you do have way more than needed or required though.. [02:38] G_009, I don't have also issues also, but wan't to have swap just in case [02:38] I'm only using 1.7 megs of my swap! [02:39] tyg13, divide that number with 1024^2 and then you have Gb [02:39] If you have a laptop then a particularly good reason to keep a swap partition that's at least as big as your installed RAM size around is suspend-to-disk but even then it's not such a big deal since it never works [02:39] milos_: Yeah I used an online calculator [02:39] !language > tyg13 [02:39] tyg13, please see my private message [02:39] I swore? [02:40] oh, G_009 already triggered the factoid [02:40] hahah [02:40] tyg13: mneptok seems a little slow ;) [02:40] LSD|Ninja: Agreed :D [02:40] LSD|Ninja, :) [02:41] I have an AMD Turion 64 Mobile. Is that a 64 bit processor? [02:41] heh, i'm not the one with 10 gigs of swap ... [02:41] mneptok: I just switched from 3 weeks of wubi to full blown ubuntu [02:41] tyg13: no, the "64" means it's an 8-bit processor :P [02:42] mneptok: well, technically... ;) [02:42] mneptok: Too bad I don't have the money for more than 1 gig of RAM [02:42] good thing is that it can be resized as needed too.. but 18gigs of ram that was .. silly [02:42] tyg13: you don't want to run the AMD64 version unless you have >4GB of memory [02:42] or I'd be running with a whole bunch of ram [02:42] G_009, it was only 10 gigs [02:42] k [02:43] same still applies [02:43] I've also realized that intrepid sucks REALLY BAD [02:43] And I've searched everywhere [02:43] !alpha [02:43] Sorry, I don't know anything about alpha [02:43] And I can't find an article to downgrade [02:43] Yeah I know its only in alpha [02:44] tyg13: It's Alpha quality, what do you expect? Wait until release, at least then it'll be beta quality :P [02:44] well.. it is in alpha state.. read /topic for more info [02:44] tyg13: there is not reliable way to downgrade, other than a re-installation [02:44] oh and I've just remembered to ask. SHOULD I or SHOULD I NOT, type in rm -rf / :) [02:44] s/not/no/ [02:45] tyg13: unfunny. just mentioning that command is likely to get you banned. [02:45] Sorry, I'm just embellishing on my total ineptness at linux [02:46] It seems like I KNEW windows almost in and out and then when I converted to Ubuntu (after only having about a few months of Mandrake/ Mandriva) I felt totally lost at everything [02:47] fyi, the mandriva was about 5 years ago [02:49] I'm pretty much lost [02:49] that did warrant a kick at minimum [02:50] I knew it was serious, but not that serious [02:50] its not like someone will be like: OOH new command lemme try it [02:50] actually.. yes.. [02:51] * tyg13 smacks face [02:51] I forgot, computer newbs [02:51] yes, like those newbs that dont know what swat is [02:51] I knew what swap was! [02:52] But rather what the swap : RAM ratio [02:52] !swat [02:52] Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. [02:53] what???? [02:53] i feel really dumb [02:54] tyg13: swap should usually (imho) be 2x ram for saftey [02:54] cycom: I know that now :( [02:54] though I rarely end up using more than 1-10MB of swap [02:55] cycom, I'm using about 1.6 megs right now [02:55] how much memory do you have? [02:57] no I mean I have currently 1.6 megs being used. I have about 10 gigs (because I'm a newb to linux) allocated to my swap partition [02:57] I have around 1 gig of RAM [02:58] yeah, for a gig of ram, 2GB of swap is generally the right number [02:58] tyg13: do you have a blank CD? [02:58] I have my Gparted CD [02:58] oh, I was going to tell you to get Gparted. [02:58] you're ahead of the game [02:59] use gparted to reszie the swap to 2gb and the / partition to fill the space left over [02:59] gparted will do that nicely [02:59] I have trouble with the graphical interface [02:59] O_O [02:59] you drag stuff back and forth. [03:00] I mean I can't actually get it to boot up [03:00] oh, ok. was going to be a bit concerned there [03:00] Hahah. [03:01] I'm not a -total- moron [03:01] *shrug* I've had problems like that before [03:02] felt stupid at the time, but as long as you learn from it... [03:02] I'm very very very good at windows interface. [03:02] heh. I'm sorry. :) [03:04] tyg13: you'll want to make the swap space slightly more than double the maximum memory that laptop will have [03:04] Also, is there any precautions I should take before changing the swap? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [03:04] tyg13: make backups of your critical data... [03:04] Which is typically nothing [03:05] And I don't know a good back up program [03:05] just copy it to an external drive [03:05] shouldn't need anything fancy [03:05] is it a fresh install? [03:06] its running ibex (ugh) [03:06] tyg13: if you don't have any critical data on the machine, re-install using encrypted LVM (get the -alternate CD) [03:07] encrypted LVM should be de rigeur on laptops [03:07] /rant [03:07] mneptok: meh. you can always encrypt individual key files. It means that you have to type passwords on every boot, and I use my laptop as a server as well [03:08] so when I reboot a machine remotely... [03:08] I have a 120g external harddrive, if anything goes wrong, should I backup my / and /home directories? [03:08] aint a damn thing I can do. [03:08] !language | cycom [03:08] cycom: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [03:09] tyg13: generally home is the only thing you need to back up. [03:09] cycom: use LVM and a smartcard with the key :P [03:09] /hypocrisy [03:09] mneptok: my laptops don't have sc readers. [03:09] cycom: But doesn't usr have all my programs? [03:09] cycom: and no USB? [03:09] tyg13: how many things have you manually installed [03:10] mneptok: I don't want to spend money on a USB smartcard reader wither. [03:10] either* [03:10] i liked "wither" :) [03:10] "hello, $vendor? the USB smartcard reader you sold me is turning brown and drying up ..." [03:10] heh [03:10] cycom: Not much [03:11] tyg13: anything outside of using the package manageR? [03:11] manager* [03:11] only one compilable binary and most of them using either apt-get or synaptic [03:11] if not, then all the data you want is in /home anyhow, just use apt-get to re-install packages if the fecal matter impacts a turbine. [03:11] tyg13: does this laptop leave your house? if so, encrypted LVM is something you should strongly consider. [03:12] mneptok: Every weekend. [03:12] tyg13: get yourself the Hardy -alternate CD image [03:12] mneptok: Does that allow package selectment? [03:12] tyg13: how do you mean? [03:13] mneptok: can't you do it from the intrepid livecd as well? [03:13] mneptok; I personally was very saddened by how I couldn't preset packages to be installed for my ubuntu [03:13] Although I might setup a partition for, GASP OpenSUSE [03:22] Oh and biases aside, I'm extremely fascinated with linux, so should I have more than 1 distro on my HDD at one time? [03:22] tyg13: if you want [03:23] tyg13: honestly, I would get used to ubuntu, and run a gentoo install in a virtual machine [03:24] tyg13: gentoo is very...educational into some of the inner workings of linux, especially compiling a kernel [03:25] tyg13: but again, my suggestion would be to run ubuntu primarily [03:25] cycom: I'm very interested in the kernel. I've learned quiote a bit of C++ but I know I need C. I only know rudimentary C. [03:26] cycom: Should I use VirtualBox to install Gentoo after I reinstall Hardy? [03:26] tyg13: you shouldn't have to re-install hardy [03:26] I hate Intrepid [03:26] why? [03:27] cycom: for encryption he'll need to reinstall [03:27] and i *strongly* recommend encryption for laptops that move with frequency [03:27] I cannot have more virtual workspaces without deactivating compiz. Also, my drivers don't work properly in intrepid [03:27] tyg13: you can have more virtual workspaces. you just have to adjust them in compiz [03:28] tyg13: this is why i told you to download and install Hardy [03:28] tyg13: compizconfig-settings-manager [03:28] Yeah, and rows don't work [03:28] tyg13: they do if you increase the vertical desktop size... [03:28] tyg13: as a new user you should not be running development versions [03:28] I tried [03:28] mneptok: I like testing things [03:29] tyg13: huh. I mean, I've had no issues with my 3x3 desktop... [03:29] mneptok: However, Alpha seems to be a little too unfinished to test [03:29] tyg13: then stop complaining :P [03:29] tyg13: do you have compizconfig-settings-manager? [03:29] i do [03:29] I know, I must sound like a whiny ***** don't I? :D [03:29] tyg13: would you mind letting me know what your current vertical/horizontal desktop settings are? [03:29] tyg13: you cannot have rows with an odd number of workspaces. only even. [03:30] .... [03:30] * tyg13 smacks forehead [03:30] mneptok: what are you talking about? I have a 3x3 box... [03:30] cycom: sorry, "an undivisible by whole" [03:30] e.g. 7 [03:30] uh... [03:30] it only allows rows with none graphcs [03:30] it only allows rows with none graphics setting [03:31] tyg13: I now have a 7x4 desktop (seven across, 4 high) with compiz... [03:31] where did you change your settings exactly? [03:32] compiz Config Settings Manager [03:32] what area there? [03:32] I know, go into General Settings [03:32] I have to disable desktop cube to do more rows [03:33] what do you have horizontal and vertical set for right now? [03:33] 2x4 [03:33] oh, the cube won't show more than one row, but you can still have more than one row [03:33] expo for example will still show all your row [03:33] rows* [03:33] I know, I have it all working now with desktop wall [03:33] I'll miss my cube though [03:34] so just use cube most of the time, and only use Expo when you need extra rows.. [03:34] Also, How come the preferences only work on hardy (workspace switcher) [03:35] which preferences? [03:36] workspace switcher's preferences [03:36] I can't change rows or columns with workspace switcher [03:39] how come my touchpad doesnt work as a mouse? [03:41] Much better. Now my screen isn't all white and shiny. I now have a darker and less eye straining mess of a GUI [03:41] I need a break. But sleep means a day closer to school [03:41] which already started. [03:42] maybe you shouldn't be using alpha software [03:43] So stressful. Damn alpha software [03:43] argh [03:43] !language | tyg13 [03:43] tyg13, please see my private message [03:43] bsnider: why have they changed mouse settings for alpha? :-) [03:43] I'll do it before someone else does [03:44] i imagine because the x-server has gone thourgh so many big changes [03:44] everything worked fine on my roommate's crackbook though [03:45] is there anything to wake me up if I take a nap? Like software that'll play that annoying system beep like 20 times? [03:46] can i roll back my distro? [03:47] quite so [03:47] how? [03:48] there are many ways. how did you install intrepid? [03:48] cd, then upgraded from the syste [03:49] can i change /etc/apt/source.list and apt-get upgrade or smth? [03:49] I want to roll back [03:49] I used upgrade manage -d [03:49] that would be one way [03:49] I used upgrade manager -d* [03:50] sudo: upgrade: command not found [03:51] upgrade-manager -c -d [03:51] if I do upgrade-manager -c -d it'll roll back? [03:51] change sources.list to read hardy wherever it says intrepid [03:51] i dont have upgrade-manager [03:51] yes you o [03:51] do* [03:52] it comes with all versions of ubuntu [03:52] in what dir? [03:52] change sources.list and then so sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [03:58] bsnider: didnt work [03:59] You apparently have to reinstall hardy [03:59] what did happen? [03:59] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [04:00] you're sure you have the hardy stuff loaded in there now? [04:00] no [04:00] how can i be+ [04:00] open synaptic [04:00] yep [04:00] and? [04:00] search for pidgin [04:01] 1:2.5.0 [04:01] ubuntu2 [04:01] right-click and select properties [04:01] click on the tab that says versions [04:01] which versions are available? [04:02] right click on what? [04:02] pidgin [04:02] 1:2.4.0ubuntu2 (now) [04:03] 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2.1 (hardy-updates) [04:03] 1:2.4.1ubuntu2 (hardy) [04:03] sorry, the first one was [04:03] 1:2:5:0ubuntu2 (now) [04:04] so the hardy stuff is in there [04:04] but is it correct? [04:04] what happens when you right-click on pidgin and select reinstall? [04:05] I have an important question. Do I need to get the alternate ISO for LVM encryption? [04:05] i cannot [04:05] you can't what? [04:09] select "reinstall" [04:09] but i can reinstall Ubutu [04:10] here's an idea [04:10] remove the ubuntu-desktop package [04:10] run apt-get autoclean [04:10] then install ubuntu-desktop [04:10] what are you trying to do? [04:10] he wants to roll back to hardy [04:11] i dont have ubuntu-desktop [04:11] ok, try installing it [04:12] just pin the hardy repos at 1001 in /etc/apt/preferences [04:12] he already has the hardy stuff back in the repos [04:13] did pinning at 1001 not work? [04:14] i had the hardy stuff in the repos but couldnt roll back? [04:14] oh well, ill roast a cd tomorrrrow and reinstall [04:14] gotha sleep now thou, good night and thanks [04:18] sidewalk, if you really want to then run this command a bunch of times [04:19] aptitude install apt-show-versions && aptitude install $(apt-show-versions | grep intrepid | cut -d '/' -f -1 | xargs | sed 's/ /\/hardy /g')/hardy [04:23] i'm fairly sure that if he just asks for the hardy ubuntu-desktop package, that it will demand a rollback [04:24] hello. I found network-manager was crashing, so uninstalled it, edited /etc/network/interfaces myself and I get this when running ifup wlan0 (a ralink rt73 usb wireless card) http://pastebin.com/m1d1d6c0f am I doing someting wrong? [04:25] bsnider, i'm pretty sure you're wrong. [04:25] live/desktop cd has a /casper dir with vmlinuz and initrd.gz - if I boot those, what should I get ? [04:25] wireless works ok, but drops out sometimes... fixes with ifdown, ifup... [04:25] it will never force a downgrade as a result of adding an older package [04:26] because the dependencies always say equal to or greater than? [04:26] CarlFK, nothing of use. [04:27] dmoerner: um... then why is it there? [04:27] in 99% of cases, and if they don't then normally they will break [04:27] CarlFK, you need the kernel and initrd to bootstrap the system and provide the kernel. However, the squashfs image on the livecd is the one that contains the majority of the userland [04:27] if even one small file says equal to, instead of greater than, the whole thing goes out the window [04:28] bsnider, even aptitude is not smart enough to handle a full downgrade from intrepid to hardy by reinstalling ubuntu-desktop, to my knowledge [04:28] no? [04:29] !downgrade [04:29] Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system. [04:29] i was going to tell that guy the same thing, but didn't havet he words [04:30] did glibc break? [04:30] anyone know how to get virtualbox installed on 2.6.27 ?? [04:30] i can understand their wanting to use intrepid, since it has so much exciting stuff in it, but it's alpha [04:31] bsnider, i just tested it, and it doesn't work. ubuntu-desktop from hardy has zero conflicts with an intrepid install [04:31] well, it serves them right for being adventurous [04:32] i've got it on an old system downstairs, not in production here === kalpik_ is now known as kalpik [04:41] the shutdown button in intrepid's gnome doesn't work right? [04:46] dmoerner: i did https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot - my exact pxe parms: http://dpaste.com/74908/ but it dropps me to a busybox promp, but without any boot error t: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/livecd3.png [04:47] maybe I should try a stable cd image [04:53] CarlFK, I would recommend that. no guarantees with intrepid === Sergeant_Pony is now known as KB1OHY [05:07] hi, will the clutter based 3D gdm make intrepid? [05:13] i noticed that too [05:14] the shutdown button is broken [05:14] it has been for ages [05:14] chowmeined, that is a known bug since like alpha 0 [05:14] yea [05:15] so why isnt it fixed? [05:15] i don't know. look at the bts [05:16] well since ive got your attention [05:17] when would be a good time for me to start testing intrepid for hardware issues on a variety of systems? [05:17] dell desktops and servers mostly [05:17] chowmeined: a few weeks ago :) [05:17] chowmeined: October [05:17] i thought the kernel just changed to 27? [05:17] chowmeined, now, since they just uploaded 2.6.27 update #2 [05:18] uh [05:18] chowmeined: one of the kernel devs has been working on an issue that seems to have goon away in .27 - just to make sure it is really undersood [05:21] what will virtualization support be like in server? [05:21] or what is ubuntu's focus? [05:21] are they pushing for kvm? or xen? [05:21] last i checked they were pushing kvm [05:21] yea, ive seen that in the past [05:40] Does anyone know if it is possible to have the unique openvpn certs(unique to each laptop) all named the same thing? This way the openvpn client configurations could all be put into a deb package? [05:54] I have purged the demon that is ibex from my computer. [05:54] and fixed my 10 gig swap :D [05:58] tyg13, this is very different from hardy/gutsy [05:58] bazhang: I understand [05:59] bazhang: I won't talk about it. Is there an ubuntu off-topic [06:04] tyg13, here is fine :) [06:05] tyg13, you are back on hardy? I misunderstood the demon as daemon [06:08] bazhang: yeah [06:09] I had to fix several things and already had the cd in my drive [06:09] such as my 10 gig swap file with 1 gig of RAM [06:09] Swap is now about 2.5 gig as needed to be [06:09] tyg13, you back on hardy? sorry for the misunderstanding :) [06:10] bazhang, yeah [06:10] bazhang, This place is like, dead [06:10] tyg13, support in #ubuntu ; chat in #ubuntu-offtopic :) [06:10] tyg13, it is only alpha 4 :) [06:10] ohhh [06:10] I thought so [06:11] But I wasn't sure [06:11] tyg13, wait til beta at least :) [06:11] I know, I jump the gun all the time. I installed Vista back when it was beta and I was a windows guru. I killed my poor little laptop with 1 ghz processor and 512 meg of ram [06:12] heh [06:12] but we are offtopic here :) better let the developers their room :) [06:12]