[00:07]  * Mez shoves a sock in Myrtti's mouth
[00:08]  * Myrtti spits it out, looks around and blushes
[00:43] <mneptok> i would like to demand that bazhang be covered in axle grease, be made to sing "The Battle Hymn Of The Republic," have his ops removed, and officially change his given name to "Meester Wittle Bittle Snuggoo Mens"
[00:44] <mneptok> oh, and all of you need to F-ING RELAX
[00:44]  * mneptok detonates in a serene manner
[00:46] <Myrtti> now that I've administered enough painkillers for myself, I'm relaxed as a noodle
[00:49] <mneptok> i'm a puppy.
[01:00] <Myrtti> !prayer
[01:08]  * Myrtti raises an eyebrow
[01:08] <Myrtti> watch out for that teXXXas feller in -ot
[01:19] <Myrtti> nini everyone
[01:33] <bazhang> @whoami
[01:42] <bazhang> @login
[01:42] <bazhang> @whoami
[02:04] <bazhang> john nelson at it again
[02:07] <mneptok> bazhang: hoozat?
[02:07] <mneptok> "John Nelson," that is.
[02:08] <bazhang> mneptok, a user who switches nicks like most people change socks
[02:08] <mneptok> wow, i haven't changed my nick in 16 years or so. never mind twice per year.
[02:08] <bazhang> he is twice per day :)
[02:09] <mneptok> people change socks daily or more?!
[02:09] <bazhang> hahaha
[02:09] <mneptok> thats just sick. how can they possible cultivate the more attractive and aromatic slime molds?
[02:10] <bazhang> I take the fifth on that your honor
[03:55] <bazhang> richiefrich
[04:06]  * bazhang wonders how people think the ubuntu channels are for dating
[04:14] <Flannel> bazhang: I thought "Ubuntu" meant "I am who I am because of who I date"?
 how to hack into this ubuntu irc server???hahahahha
[04:14] <bazhang> Flannel, haha
[04:14] <bazhang> salaz is also telling user to use alien for rpm of java
[04:16] <Flannel> Did you ask him to stop giving bad/wrong/dangerous advice?
[04:16]  * Flannel just got here.
[04:16] <bazhang> yes.
[04:16] <bazhang> next time is a kick.
[04:16] <Flannel> I'll keep an eye out too
[04:17] <bazhang> he type the double recursive removal as well.
[04:17] <bazhang> err typed
[04:20] <elkbuntu> bazhang, i'm pretty sure that will earn him a lifetime k-ticket pretty promptly
[04:20] <bazhang> elkbuntu, I did not see in vivo, just after the fact by several minutes
[04:25] <Flannel> I'm notsure if that ping was actual ignorance, or an attempt to use #ubuntu to ddos
[04:28] <bazhang> likely just ignorance; he seems to be in the ubuntu channels fairly regularly and never seen anything of that sort from him before
[04:30] <elkbuntu> same kid?
[04:41] <bazhang> no, that was illmortal the second time
[05:03] <moo_cow> my resolution is 320x200 in ubuntu
[05:03] <moo_cow> after installing and restricted drivers manager
[05:04] <moo_cow> nothing higher is available in "screen resolution"
[05:04] <bazhang> this is not a support channel moo_cow
[05:05] <moo_cow> xorg.conf has no resolutions in it and seems to ignore any put in there
[05:06] <bazhang> moo_cow, try #ubuntu or #kubuntu not here
[05:09] <moo_cow> ubuntu is broken out of the box
[05:11] <bazhang> !idle | moo_cow
[05:11] <bazhang> moo_cow, see the channel topic here?
[05:12] <moo_cow> bye fucker
[05:12] <nalioth> alrighty then
[05:12] <bazhang> nice.
[05:12] <nalioth> why is moo_cow here, again?
[05:13] <bazhang> he had the nasty id later changed to bite_me was banned from k-kde4 and would come in here and idle never responding.
[05:20] <nalioth> well, if he's not banforwarded here, he doesn't need to idle
[05:23] <elkbuntu> um, someone who knows how the floodbots work, please see -read-topic
[05:34] <elkbuntu> nalioth, are services b0rked at the moment?
[05:36] <nalioth> elkbuntu: not that i can see
[05:36] <elkbuntu> nalioth, the bots are saying otherwise
[05:37] <nalioth> there may be a server split somewhere
[05:37] <elkbuntu> and im not seeing chanserv either
[05:37] <elkbuntu> aha, yes i am
[05:50] <bazhang> someone else want to chime in on the hardware discussion in #u
[05:54] <bazhang> nice defense though: <IntangibleLiquid> bazhang, what does Ubuntu run on? thin air?
[05:57] <elkbuntu> bazhang, "not sure, but the mac air, yes"
[05:58] <bazhang> heh
[06:46] <elkbuntu> ompaul, did you ever remove the +d on eleaf?
[06:47] <ompaul> not that I know of
[06:47] <ompaul> n anyway he is caught by chanserv
[06:48] <elkbuntu> or whatever that is. why is he being caught still. did we not lift the ban?
[06:48] <ompaul> back when I had the ability to do that - I did it
[06:48] <elkbuntu> @btlogin
[06:49] <ompaul> only in #ubuntu
[06:51] <elkbuntu> it's still in force in -offtopic
[06:51] <ompaul> I seem to remember some convo here about same
[06:51] <ompaul> yeap
[06:51] <ompaul> and I don't have powers to lift it there
[06:51] <elkbuntu> someone who can deal needs to
[06:51] <ompaul> __anymore__
[06:51] <elkbuntu> nalioth, pricechild?
[06:52] <nalioth> ok
[06:53] <elkbuntu> thanks. now we take bets how long he keeps it off this time ;)
[06:53] <nalioth> not seeing a +d ban set
[06:55] <ompaul> *** ChanServ sets mode: +b eleaf*!*@*
[06:56] <ompaul> you need to tell chanserv to let him go
[06:57]  * nalioth looks again
[06:59] <nalioth> which channel are we talking about?
[07:00] <ompaul> -offtioc
[07:00] <nalioth> no wonder i can't find a ban, then
[07:00]  * nalioth was looking in #ubuntu 
[07:01] <nalioth> Ziroday: hi, what can we do for you?
[07:01] <ompaul> Ziroday, how can we hslp you
[07:01] <Ziroday> Hi, how and where can me apply for a locobot
[07:01]  * Ziroday feels like he was mugged
[07:01] <Ziroday> to log the channel?
[07:01] <ompaul> you was
[07:02] <Ziroday> sorry I mean our loco's channel
[07:02] <nalioth> Ziroday: what did you need a bot for?
[07:02] <ompaul> Ziroday, #ubuntu-irc is better I think
[07:02] <ompaul> nalioth, a locobot
[07:02] <Ziroday> ompaul: cheers
[07:02] <ompaul> who runs them?
[07:02]  * nalioth points to the ubot* siblings
[07:02] <Ziroday> i dunno, but they're referred to in !logs
[07:03] <ompaul> !logs
[07:03] <nalioth> oh, _those_ bots
[07:03] <Ziroday> nevermind found out how :)
[07:03] <Ziroday> have a great day ompaul, nalioth
[07:04]  * ompaul hums the song "your political correctness offends me" and wonders if it will ever be a hit
[07:11] <elkbuntu> ompaul, broken records tend to get thrown out of radio stations.
[07:11] <ompaul> hahaha
[07:11] <elkbuntu> i thought you knew that
[07:12] <ompaul> elkbuntu, I thought they got made up at Olympics
[07:12] <ompaul> go tangent go
[07:12] <ompaul> right so
[07:12] <ompaul> we now have barrier free tolling
[07:12] <elkbuntu> where?
[07:12] <ompaul> in dublin
[07:12] <elkbuntu> oh, i thought you said 'trolling'
[07:12] <ompaul> you can has bill or bigger bill
[07:13] <ompaul> barrier free trolling
[09:07] <bazhang> argh
[09:10] <Flannel> eh?
[09:10] <bazhang> just the chattiness in #u
[10:17] <Myrtti> morning
[10:18] <Flannel> Howdy Myrtti
[10:26]  * Myrtti huggles everyone
[10:33] <GazzaK> yay
[11:08] <Myrtti> gr.
[11:08] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2810924642/ :-<
[11:10] <jpds> Myrtti: It could be worse.
[11:10] <jpds> ..like how my intrepid setup is like.
[11:10] <Myrtti> it could be, true
[11:10] <jpds> KERNEL PANIC: Cannot find root filesystem.
[11:10] <Myrtti> :-<
[11:10] <Myrtti> mine wont even mount /
[11:10] <Myrtti> which is nice
[11:11] <jpds> I'm doing the daily iso, chrooting in to fix it isn't working.
[11:11] <Myrtti> grub loads and then I'm stuck right ^ there
[11:11] <jpds> Mine can't find / :)
[11:11] <Myrtti> shirley it can find /boot though?
[11:13] <jpds> Well, dpkg --configure -a ,just fails.
[11:17] <jpds> So, reinstall it is.
[11:28] <Myrtti> Tm_T, jussi01, Mez: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber lp:~segphault/gwibber/qtfrontend   	  	 0  New   	 2008-08-22 04:59:10 EEST  8 days ago  	
[11:28] <Myrtti> 86. Added experimental Qt-based user inte...
[11:28] <Tm_T> danke
[11:31] <jussi01> :)
[11:38]  * stdin notes there is no Qt GUI there
[11:50] <Myrtti> stdin: you're welcome to work on that
[11:50] <Myrtti> and - gwibber uses webkit for the most parts
[11:51] <stdin> I'm not so good with QtDesigner, I prefer to code-in the GUI :)
[11:51]  * Myrtti shrugs - I suck in coding in general
[11:51] <Myrtti> and I use GTK (ie. (x)ubuntu)
[11:52] <stdin> and it's only a coincidence I have http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qwebview.html open in my browser already :p
[11:52] <Myrtti> lol
[11:53] <stdin> I did actually make a tabbed web browser in python-qt a while ago, but I wrote in in /tmp and rebooted
[11:54]  * Myrtti hands stdin a coupon for a free faceslap
[13:08] <Myrtti> ho-hum.
[13:10] <Tm_T> indeed
[13:28]  * Myrtti jumpglomps LjL 
[13:28]  * LjL dodges
[13:28] <Myrtti> :-<
[13:28] <LjL> ugh, was that the sound of a Myrtti splashing into ground
[13:29] <Myrtti> no hugs for you then
[13:31] <LjL> Myrtti: have you got some sleep even, after staying up all those hours waiting for me to voice up
[13:32] <Myrtti> sure
[13:32] <elkbuntu> hmm... decisions decisions. have second icecream for today or not
[13:32] <Myrtti> yay icecream
[13:32] <elkbuntu> hehe
[14:10] <Myrtti> merh.
[14:21] <LjL> jrib: waste him?
[14:21] <jrib> LjL: I assume he wants someone to compromise his system
[14:24] <ikonia> segaman is a known issue
[14:24] <jrib> ah
[14:24] <ikonia> in the bantracker V.Seveas log you'll find him
[14:24] <ikonia> many times
[14:24] <ikonia> he has another nick, something like "sonic_the_mega_hedgehog"
[14:25] <ikonia> he's not been around for ages, but possibly because of the issue he was a while ag o
[14:25] <ikonia> ago
[14:26] <LjL> well, i messaged him and told him i'll remove the mute if he agrees to drop this.
[14:26] <LjL> although i'm not sure he's quite realized he's muted in the first place, since he keeps talking.
[14:27] <ikonia> ha ha
[14:28] <elkbuntu> he never did have much clue
[14:32] <LjL> he's either a bot or has the brain of one
[14:33] <elkbuntu> LjL, dont insult ubottu like that
[14:33] <LjL> heh
[14:33] <LjL> Pici: bad weather in vermont?
[14:34] <Pici> LjL: Nah, just woke up, havent gone out yet.
[14:34] <LjL> uhm, i have a cigarette when i just wake up, you get on irc... and i'm not entirely sure which is worse.
[14:35] <elkbuntu> equal
[14:42] <Pici`_> internet here leaves something to be desired though
[14:43] <Myrtti> ... doesn't internet *always* do that
[14:43] <LjL> Pici`_: connecting how?
[14:45] <LjL> !nickspam > pici`__    (pici`__, see the private message from Ubotu)
[14:45] <bazhang> heh
[14:45] <Pici`__> thanks
[14:46] <bazhang> wonder is this blake- is the same blake who is so chronically offtopic
[14:47] <bazhang> err if
[14:48]  * ikonia puts down $50
[14:52]  * ikonia puts down $100 on limcore being a pain
[14:52]  * ikonia ups it to $1000
[14:53] <Pici> No one is going to bet against that
[14:53] <LjL> ikonia, if nobody took it up when it was $50...
[14:53] <ikonia> LjL: thought someone wanted a harder odds challange
[15:09]  * Pici watches limcore in #freenode
[15:09] <Myrtti> jpds: wasn't it you who packaged irssi-otr?
[15:09] <Myrtti> now it seems to be less flaky
[15:10] <Myrtti> I took the latest git version yesterday
[16:30] <bazhang> hehe
[16:31] <jrib> I seriously think young people are not learning how to actually read things anymore
[16:31] <bazhang> forget links; they wont even read what is typed in the channel :)
[16:31] <Mez> You know, I seriously think young people arent reading things anymore.
[16:31] <Mez> :-"
[16:32] <bazhang> a user couple of days ago was given a link and his answer was 'no. I dont have time for that. tell me here NOW.' :)
[16:32] <ompaul> Mez, from here young people is a vague term ;-)
[16:33] <ompaul> bazhang, tell them the answer is there not here ;-) or else ask them why are they trolling
[16:33] <Mez> ompaul, old fogey :D
[16:33] <ompaul> bazhang, actually
[16:33] <ompaul> bazhang, tell them, The community has been asked this question many times before and they worked out the optimal answer and put it on that web page, you need to read.
[16:34] <ompaul> actually maybe call it a
[16:34] <bazhang> ompaul, I fear the 'abusive op' charge I got the other day from tester5/malwir :)
[16:34] <ompaul> pretty optimal - indicating there is leeway
[16:34] <ompaul> bazhang, make that call
[16:34] <ompaul> they can't challenge it
[16:34] <ompaul>  mal ware is a good username I am sure
[16:34] <bazhang> ompaul, you didnt see his response then :)
[16:35] <ompaul> they can't do it for the lulz
[16:35] <bazhang> malware haha
[16:35] <ompaul> cos there are none
[16:35] <ompaul> they can't punch buttons that are not there
[16:36] <ompaul> Mez, this I is btw
[16:36]  * Mez cuddles ompaul
[16:36] <bazhang> hmm wonder why malwir/tester5 never came back to have his mute lifted; perhaps ban evading is more his style
[16:36] <ompaul> bazhang, please see pm
[16:41] <fujisan> Hello, can anyone help me please
[16:41] <fujisan> i have an issue
[16:41] <Nafallo> no, we can't.
[16:41] <Nafallo> ...unless of course you tell us what instead
[16:43] <Myrtti> well hello fujisan
[16:43] <fujisan> OK yesterday i was somewhat dissapointed in the lack community support and acrasial sentiment in #kubuntu, i was branded as a troll, and I refuted this of course and I left the channel, when I tried to return this morning my local time I found that I was banned, I want to know why exactly I was banned, I don't agree with the ban
[16:43] <fujisan> hi Myrtti
[16:44] <fujisan> I just want to know something more substantial than the easy escapegoat of troll
[16:46] <fujisan> just because i had some concise and constructive criticism
[16:46] <bazhang> fujisan, you are banned in there from a ways back; you seem to have ban-evaded by not using your cloak.
[16:46] <fujisan> and I was banned later on for out, so it appears and now I feel disgruntled and dismayed
[16:46] <fujisan> no i have never ban evaded
[16:46] <bazhang> fujisan, ban evasion is a big no no
[16:46] <fujisan> my cloak was taken away
[16:47] <fujisan> i cant use it
[16:47] <fujisan> ask tomaw
[16:47] <fujisan> bazhang:  i didnt do that
[16:47] <bazhang> the ban has never been removed.
[16:47] <fujisan> i wasnt aware that it was still there
[16:47] <Myrtti> well, then, you were allowed to stay in to see how well you'd do
[16:47] <bazhang> @bansearch fujisan
[16:47] <Myrtti> and apparently, you didn't do well enough
[16:47] <fujisan> bazhang:  i dont keep track of that
[16:47] <fujisan> and i cant use my cloak now
[16:47] <bazhang> fujisan, and this is a newer one on top of that
[16:48] <fujisan> Ok maybe i overreacted but it was never my intention to get banned
[16:48] <stdin> @comment 4018
[16:48] <stdin> that's why
[16:48] <fujisan> and I didn't evade on a conscious level
[16:48] <stdin> that's why I decided to watch for a while
[16:49] <fujisan> i can't use my cloak and I wasn't aware there was still a ban
[16:49] <fujisan> i was dissapointed yes and maybe a little acrasial
[16:50] <stdin> if it was just one incident, I wouldn't have banned, but this is not an isolated incident. is it?
[16:50] <fujisan> but never ever was I banevading consciously or trolling
[16:50] <fujisan> I have bettered my behaviour a lot i have counselling and I have medicine for my aspergers
[16:50] <fujisan> I try to do my best
[16:51] <fujisan> sorry my best isn't good enough
[16:51] <fujisan> i never meant for this to happen
[16:51] <stdin> you have to remember that these little lines of text are actually people, and should be treated like people
[16:51] <fujisan> i am trying to realize that yes
[16:51] <fujisan> i have improved a lot i think
[16:52] <fujisan> so can't you please give me a chance to better myself
[16:52] <Myrtti> I think you were already given that chance
[16:52] <fujisan> when... i wasn't aware
[16:52] <Myrtti> by not enforcing the ban the ops knew were there
[16:52] <Myrtti> well that's just funny
[16:52] <fujisan> i didn't know about that
[16:52] <fujisan> my cloak was taken away
[16:52] <Myrtti> you're supposed to act the best you can
[16:52] <Myrtti> nomatter if you have ban or not
[16:52] <fujisan> i am
[16:53] <fujisan> well i am trying
[16:53] <LjL> may i have bantracker access and usage instructions, please?
[16:53] <fujisan> I am not perfect
[16:53] <Myrtti> LjL: sure
[16:54] <fujisan> seems like people here have little understanding of people with disabilities
[16:54] <fujisan> for*
[16:54] <stdin> fujisan: you've read the guidelines and code of conduct before, so I won't point you at those again
[16:55] <fujisan> yes i realize i maybe pushed that one argument too much
[16:55] <stdin> I would like to give you another chance, but then I fear you'd just revert back to old habits
[16:55] <fujisan> but it wasn't that bad I think
[16:55] <fujisan> well i appreciate that
[16:56] <stdin> it's not like we haven't given you "second" chances in the past
[16:56] <stdin> and, every time, regretted it
[16:56] <fujisan> i don't see what is so wrong about what I did this time
[16:56] <fujisan> could you please elaborate
[16:57] <stdin> it's not just one incident
[16:57] <stdin> it's your history and general attitude that we have seen
[16:57] <fujisan> i have improved a lot yes
[16:58] <fujisan> but you clearly want to focus on the negative
[16:58] <fujisan> well fine
[16:58] <fujisan> that's your choice but I can't think like that i have been depressed long enough
[16:58] <fujisan> you cant even give me a good reason now
[16:58] <stdin> I'm focusing on my experience of your behaviour from all the times in the past
[16:58] <fujisan> yeah well i am not the past
[16:59] <fujisan> i am here and now
[16:59] <LjL> with that reasoning, everyone would be unbanned just by claiming they're here and now and not the past
[16:59] <fujisan> i had my dad dying a while back that threw me back a little i am bearly recovering
[16:59] <fujisan> so i have a bad rep and therefore you banned me
[17:00] <Myrtti> you were given a chance, as the bantracker said
[17:00] <LjL> fujisan, i'm sorry, but it's no use telling us how you're disabled and had troubles. not because we don't care, but because you may easily be lying, as people do it all the time. so we can't base ourselves on that sort of things.
[17:00] <nalioth> fujisan: we do not ban on 'reputation', but actions observed
[17:00] <fujisan> I maybe lying but I am not lying i have no reason to lie
[17:00] <nalioth> fujisan: is there anything else we can help you with?
[17:01] <fujisan> you didnt help me at all
[17:01] <fujisan> you just referred me to the past
[17:01] <nalioth> in that case, please read and heed the /topic
[17:01] <fujisan> I guess that's what you get if you expect fairness from members of the current roman empire
[17:02] <fujisan> americans have a bad rep also yet i tolerate them and I am always nice or try to be
[17:02] <stdin> what do americans have to do with anything?
[17:02] <fujisan> what I did wasnt bad I maybe annoyed you a little by exposing some painful facts about #kubuntu
[17:02] <stdin> moron
[17:02] <nalioth> don't feed the trolls
[17:02] <jussi01> oh yay, him again....
[17:02] <LjL> well, americans *are* a bit... cough
[17:02] <stdin> I know, I know
[17:03] <Myrtti> don't tease nalioth, LjL
[17:03] <nalioth> this was 18 minutes wasted
[17:04] <stdin> I just think it's odd how some people say they get discriminated against, then go and make a comment like "I don't like <insert some denomination of people>, but I try to get along with them"
[17:06] <stdin> I think he assumed I was american too, and I'm not sure how to take that :p
[17:09] <jussi01> heh
[17:09]  * Myrtti is happy
[17:09] <Myrtti> nomnom dark chocolate with raspberry
[17:11] <jussi01> meh, dark chocolate...
[17:11]  * jussi01 had Australian choclate yesterday :D Thanks little sister :D
[17:12]  * Myrtti gnarls at jussi01 
[17:12] <Myrtti> well I wouldn't have given you any anyway
[17:12] <jussi01> hehe
[17:13] <Myrtti> erh?
[17:14] <jrib> ditto
[17:14] <LjL> watch out for that guy, look at part message...
[17:15] <jussi01> LjL: nice to have you back amongst the living :)
[17:15] <LjL> although zombie wolves have their fascination
[17:15] <bazhang> yes!
[17:16] <stdin> LjL: btw, ubottu will now say "<user> see my private message" when you '!factoid > user', so you don't need the "see the private message" stuff any more :)
[17:16] <LjL> stdin: yeah, i'm not entirely fond of that as it's one more wasted lines... could it perhaps be made not to say that if i add something (like my "see pm") after the command?
[17:16]  * Myrtti huggles LjL 
[17:17] <stdin> LjL: well, and it was added by request of others, and I guess it's possible to do that, but not easy
[17:17] <jrib> I like that idea
[17:17]  * stdin will look into that though
[17:18] <LjL> i'm sure the feature is useful for people who don't have an alias like mine, but a few operators used to have it, and if you do have it, it's more expedient...
[17:19] <LjL> after all, the intent of using "tell" is to avoid public messages ;) although i do realize that people are lost and don't get they have a PM
[17:19] <stdin> the point was to make is so you don't need an alias
[17:19] <jrib> I'm just going to pm ubottu commands
[17:19] <jrib> and say "foo see the message I had ubottu send you" or something
[17:19] <LjL> stdin: but there's a difference, it's one more line. the amount of lines counts much more than the amount of characters (or we wouldn't have the "enter" rules), especially with some clients
[17:20] <LjL> jrib: the drawback of that is that new people don't learn how to use the bot (and will probably pester the channel with questions about it)
[17:20] <stdin> well, I'll look into doing that
[17:21] <LjL> jrib: if it weren't for that drawback, i'd have been doing it all the time for sure (i already do it when sending multiple factoids, which is often enough)
[17:22] <jrib> LjL: the problem I have with the parenthetical reminders after the fatoid is that users seem to ignore them too easily
[17:22] <jrib> !lb
[17:22] <jussi01> !search lebanese
[17:23] <jrib> I asked him to join here
[17:23]  * Myrtti gives Mez a piece of raspberry chocolate
[17:23] <Mez> nooo... I is full... I just ate!
[17:23] <Myrtti> dessert
[17:23] <Mez> but I is full...
[17:24] <Myrtti> well keep it for later then
[17:24] <Myrtti> jussi01: :-þ
[17:24] <compengi> jrib, i'm here
[17:24]  * Mez wraps in clingfilm and puts into fridge
[17:24] <jrib> compengi: it's usually helpful to have the factoin in the native language as well in case a user doesn't understand english
[17:24] <stdin> jussi01: '!' is for factoids ;)
[17:25] <jussi01> stdin: yes...?
[17:26] <stdin> jussi01: never mind, I read !search as !bansearch
[17:26] <jrib> compengi: I'll add it as it is now, but it's probably a good idea to also have it in whatever the most spoken language is
[17:26]  * stdin get's some coffee
[17:26] <compengi> jrib, all the people in lebanon that use pc's know english. and lebanon is franco-arabic country so we talk french in addition to arabic and english
[17:26] <jussi01> stdin: :D
[17:26] <LjL> well jrib, it's a balance between pre-empting them and wasting a line in advance, and risking to waste even more lines.  however, i suspect you all tend to overestimate the amount of these incidents... ever considered how many times the "(see pm)" might have actually prevented them from asking? one notice apparent things, and notices less apparent things less
[17:27] <jrib> !lb is <reply> The Lebanese loco team is a couple of clicks away. Discover it's flavor in #ubuntu-lb
[17:27] <jrib> !lb
[17:27] <jrib> compengi: does that seem ok?
[17:27] <LjL> you could even make it that "<nickname>, see the PM from ubottu about <factoid>" actually triggers the factoid in the first place :)
[17:28] <LjL> although that would still make triggering the bot a bit obscure for newbies
[17:28] <compengi> jrib, i think without "a" in this case
[17:29] <LjL> "is couple" doesn't sound right to me
[17:29] <stdin> "is a couple" is more grammatically correct that "is couple"
[17:29] <compengi> yep
[17:29] <jrib> !lb is <reply> The Lebanese loco team is a couple of clicks away. Discover its flavor in #ubuntu-lb
[17:29] <LjL> also, LoCo and its ;)
[17:29] <jrib> !no, lb is <reply> The Lebanese loco team is a couple of clicks away. Discover its flavor in #ubuntu-lb
[17:30] <bazhang> c'est une clique
[17:30] <compengi> same lol
[17:30] <jrib> changed it's to its
[17:31] <compengi> "is a couple" should be "is couple"
[17:31] <LjL> i disagree
[17:31] <stdin> that doesn't make sense
[17:31] <jrib> compengi: "is a couple" sounds better to me as well
[17:31] <Myrtti> silly men
[17:31] <compengi> oh
[17:31] <bazhang> is couple is wrong grammaire
[17:31] <compengi> Myrtti, hehe
[17:31] <Mez> s/is a/is only a/
[17:32] <Mez> !lb =~ s/is a/is only a/
[17:32] <Mez> !lb
[17:32] <LjL> besides, i don't "click" anything to join channels in the first place :P
[17:32] <Mez> s/flavor/flavour
[17:32] <jrib> boo
[17:32] <Myrtti> s/loco/LoCo/
[17:32] <Mez> s/brain//
[17:32] <jrib> !lb =~ s/loco/LoCo/
[17:32] <stdin> sed flood!
[17:32]  * stdin ducks for cover
[17:32]  * jrib strangles ubot5
[17:33] <Mez> /cs kb ubot5
[17:33] <compengi> so Mez and Myrtti make your changes :D
[17:33] <LjL> they did
[17:33] <compengi> oh
[17:33] <LjL> !lb
[17:33] <Myrtti> I didn't do a thing
[17:34]  * Mez points above
[17:34] <LjL> Myrtti: well but jrib did it for ye
[17:34] <Myrtti> yeeesss.. have a lollipop, jrib
[17:34] <compengi> ;)
[17:34] <Myrtti> We appreciate your effort
[17:34] <Mez> !lb =~ s/its/it's/
[17:34] <LjL> ...
[17:34] <jrib> heh
[17:34] <Mez> the flavour belinging to it..
[17:34] <Myrtti> Mez: would you mind fixing that
[17:34] <jrib> it's = it is
[17:34]  * Myrtti waves her hand
[17:35] <stdin> Mez: "discover it is flavour"
[17:35] <Myrtti> fix it
[17:35] <bazhang> bzzt
[17:35] <LjL> look can't it just be "Join #ubuntu-lb for the Lebanese team"?
[17:35] <Mez> IT'S A POSSESIVE APOSTROPHE!!!
[17:35] <Myrtti> LjL: you're ruining our fun
[17:35] <bazhang> join or else!
[17:35] <Myrtti> besides
[17:35] <Myrtti> now it has a coffee flavour
[17:35] <jrib> !lb is just ask compengi
[17:35] <compengi> LjL, they are right :P
[17:35] <stdin> all your apostrophes are belong to us
[17:36] <Myrtti> I liek coffee
[17:36] <compengi> it's actually "flavor" not "flavour"
[17:36]  * jrib high fives compengi
[17:36] <Mez> compengi, in what language?>
[17:37] <Myrtti> tsk
[17:37] <stdin> compengi: flavor is not a word
[17:37] <compengi> Mez, in english :D
[17:37] <compengi> O.o
[17:37] <Myrtti> compengi: you're arguing with an Englishman
[17:37] <Mez> compengi, then I suggest you learn english ;) as It's flavour :D
[17:37] <Mez> flavor = americanese
[17:37]  * Myrtti nods
[17:37] <LjL> i suggest you do it the wikipedia way
[17:38] <Myrtti> GOOGLEFIGHT!
[17:38] <Myrtti> no
[17:38] <compengi> wiki says both flavour or flavor
[17:38] <Myrtti> flavour
[17:38] <LjL> no - leave the spelling conventions alone as long as they're consistent in a given factoid
[17:38] <compengi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavour_(particle_physics)
[17:38] <Myrtti> !lb =~ /flavor/flavour/
[17:38]  * stdin runs "sed s/color/colour/g" on the world
[17:38] <Myrtti> fixed
[17:38] <Myrtti> run along now kids
[17:38] <Myrtti> nothing to see here
[17:39] <LjL> compengi: of course it does, because the american standard is "flavor"
[17:39] <compengi> yep :)
[17:39] <jrib> we still need to s/it's/its
[17:39] <LjL> yet, who said this channel employs the british standard...
[17:39] <Myrtti> !lb =~ /it's/its/
[17:39] <compengi> :P
[17:40] <stdin> you know the factoid log probably just grew by 10Mb :p
[17:40] <LjL> !lb is <reply> The Lebanese [Ll]o[Cc]o team is only a? ?couple of clicks away. Discover it'?s flavou?r in #ubuntu-lb
[17:40] <Mez> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution
[17:41] <LjL> acronym is "initialism" in british english? duh
[17:41] <jrib> ubottu should detect the location of an ip and determine which spelling to use
[17:41] <LjL> jrib: as he said
[17:42] <jrib> ha
[17:42] <compengi> :D
[17:42] <compengi> !brain
[17:43] <LjL> Myrtti: anyway, as you suggested googlefight.... flavor wins over flavour there.
[17:43] <LjL> !lb =~ /flavor/flavour/
[17:43] <LjL> !lb =~ /flavour/flavor/
[17:43] <Myrtti> damnit
[17:44] <compengi> hehe.. american vs. british standart wars never end :P
[17:44] <compengi> standard*
[17:44] <LjL> Myrtti: by a margin, and increasing! http://www.google.com/trends?q=flavor%2Cflavour
[17:45] <Nafallo> compengi: sure they do. Americans are wrong. that has always been the case.
[17:45] <Myrtti> exceptions enforce the rule
[17:45] <compengi> Nafallo, ;)
[17:46] <compengi> i went to an american school that's why i just feel the other standard wrong
[17:47] <Myrtti> and we're taught British English
[17:47] <compengi> nope
[17:47] <stdin> it was flavour before it was flavor ;)
[17:47] <Myrtti> we as in student in Finland
[17:47] <compengi> yrp
[17:47] <compengi> yep*
[17:47] <Myrtti> studentS even.
[17:47] <LjL> stdin: and it was debian before it was ubuntu, so
[17:48]  * Myrtti puts a black guinea pig on the table
[17:48] <Myrtti> LOOK!
[17:48] <Myrtti> A GUINEA PIG!
[17:48] <Nafallo> LjL: not the same thing. only USA thinks Americans speak English anyway...
[17:48] <Myrtti> awwwwww
[17:48] <stdin> as ubottu says, ubuntu is not debian
[17:49] <LjL> Nafallo: that's just your mindset because you believe swedish and norwegian are different languages
[17:49] <stdin> /topic #ubuntu-ops en_US vs en_GB, who will win? YOU decide!
[17:49] <Nafallo> LjL: they are. they haz other characters.
[17:49] <LjL> ooh right, the other charz! i forgotz.
[17:49] <compengi> haha
[17:49] <Nafallo> LjL: where have you been anyway? :-)
[17:50] <Nafallo> LjL: USA by the sounds of things... ;-)
[17:50] <LjL> Nafallo: ska aldrig gøre den dær mistog igen
[17:50] <LjL> nah
[17:50] <LjL> just alps
[17:50] <Myrtti> howling at the moon
[17:50] <Nafallo> Myrtti: s/$/\ in\ American/
[17:50] <Nafallo> ;-)
[17:51] <LjL> yeah, i hol, i don't howl
[17:52]  * LjL goes buy a dvd burner
[17:52] <compengi> LjL, even beter :P
[17:52] <compengi> better*
[17:53] <LjL> hope i find an IDE one
[17:54] <compengi> oh. you should. that technology should be kept :)
[17:54] <compengi> btw it was a long time i didn't see gnomefreak around
[17:56] <Seeker`> is fujisan a name I should watch? I remember that one of the nicks beginning with "fuji" was bad
[17:57] <stdin> Seeker`: short answer: "Yes"
[17:57] <Seeker`> fair enough :P
[17:58] <stdin> read up from around 16:41 in here
[18:02] <Seeker`> hmm
[18:05] <jussi01> Seeker`: let me guess, came into -uk and said something about americans?
[18:08] <Seeker`> jussi01: nope
[18:08] <Seeker`> jussi01: he asked about whether there is a kubuntu-uk, and what time "Match of the day" is on
[18:09] <jussi01> ok, pleasantly suprised :)
[18:09] <stdin> but he did call be ubiquitous :)
[18:14] <javaJake> If I were to propose a new idea for Ubuntu IRC support, would this be the place?
[18:14] <Seeker`> javaJake: yes, it woud
[18:15] <javaJake> OK
[18:15] <javaJake> I have created a new channel called "Unofficial Ubuntu Assistance". The idea is to replicate commercial one-on-one chat/phone support, but within the IRC framework.
[18:15] <javaJake> #uua is its home
[18:16] <Seeker`> how does it "replicate commercial ... support"
[18:16] <javaJake> I think this is a really great idea (of course) so I want it to work. However, 1) I don't want to step on anyone's toes and 2) don't want to be unrealistic.
[18:16] <Seeker`> in what way is it different from the existing channels
[18:16] <nalioth> javaJake: we have one-on-one support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #edubuntu and #xubuntu now
[18:17] <javaJake> Seeker`: basically the main channel is the "waiting room", and you talk to the bot to get your problem announced to registered assistants.
[18:17] <javaJake> Seeker`: yes, but #uua is designed for the long problems, the ones that take a lot of effort and communication to work out
[18:17] <Seeker`> javaJake: what do you think happens in #ubuntu at the moment?
[18:17] <javaJake> #ubuntu can be a little crouded for that
[18:17] <nalioth> javaJake: we invite folks to #ubuntu-classroom or ##[my nick] for that sort of thing now
[18:18] <javaJake> Seeker`: look, I'm not saying #ubuntu is _bad_ or even should be replaced.
[18:18] <Seeker`> I've seen (and been involved in) helping peope with problems that have taken a couple of hours to fix
[18:18] <Seeker`> in #ubuntu
[18:18] <javaJake> I understand.
[18:18] <javaJake> Please don't be offended. :P
[18:18] <Seeker`> we aren't offended
[18:19] <javaJake> OK.
[18:19] <Seeker`> the other thing is, one-on-one support in PM etc. means that ony 1 person can help
[18:19] <javaJake> Seeker`: one person at a time, at the least.
[18:19] <javaJake> Seeker`: however, others can join in the conversation in the private talks of #uua...
[18:19] <Seeker`> in a big channel like ubunutu, people monitor the messages - they may see a problem develop, and suddenly they realise that the solution is something they have seen before
[18:20] <Seeker`> and then they can pipe in with support
[18:20] <Seeker`> and in #ubuntu, there are 1300 or so sets of eyes. Granted not all of them at once, and not everyone can help
[18:20] <compengi> javaJake, there is something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MetaChannel
[18:21] <javaJake> Seeker`: again, I don't discount #ubuntu's usefulness
[18:21] <javaJake> I'm saying that there are problems, though, inherint to #ubuntu
[18:22] <Seeker`> the main "issue" I see with channels like that is that if people want to help, it divides the effort
[18:22] <Seeker`> most people can only seriously concentrate on one channel at a time with support
[18:22] <jussi01> !idle > compengi
[18:22] <Seeker`> so if half of the people go to #u, and the other half go to #uua, there are only half the number of helpers in each channel
[18:23] <Seeker`> also, you would get people joining both channels and asking their question there
[18:23] <javaJake> True, true....
[18:23] <Seeker`> which means you would have half the number of poeple giving support, with the same number of questions
[18:23] <javaJake> Hmmmm
[18:23] <Seeker`> sorry if it seems like I am trying to shoot down your idea
[18:23] <javaJake> Yea, no, this is good.
[18:23] <javaJake> This is very good. :)
[18:24] <Seeker`> it really is great that people want to try to come up with better ideas
[18:24] <Seeker`> its just that many many people have suggested what basically amounts to "split up #ubuntu" in various guises
[18:25] <javaJake> Yea, well, perhaps #ubuntu should be revised. ;)
[18:25] <Seeker`> and it has been discussed at length, and the general concensus seems to be that it isn't the best thing to do for the community
[18:25] <javaJake> It's just disheartening to see people's problems ignored because they're too complex. :/
[18:26] <Seeker`> yeah
[18:26] <javaJake> The essence of #uua is to try and encourage lengthy support discussions.
[18:26] <stdin> LjL: looks like your MetaBot bzr branch is broken, it only has symlinks
[18:26] <Seeker`> but dont forget that there are the forums and launchpad too
[18:26] <javaJake> Yes, but even there...
[18:27] <javaJake> It can take a week to get a problem solved, just because of back-and-forth communication
[18:27] <javaJake> I tried to combine the forum "topics" and IRC real-time chat with #uua.
[18:28] <javaJake> Hmmmmmm...
[18:29] <javaJake> Well, I dunno what you guys would think of this...
[18:30] <javaJake> But to avoid splitting the community up, I could combine #uua and #ubuntu... where #ubuntu replaces the main #uua channel but private discussion channels can still be initiated from #ubuntu or PMing.
[18:30] <javaJake> Heh :P
[18:30] <javaJake> Nvm
[18:30]  * javaJake is thinking on his feet
[18:31] <javaJake> I don't know, there's got to be a way, because 1-on-1 is very effective in my experience. I've been more productive over IM or private channels than in #ubuntu.
[18:31] <bazhang> javaJake, then invite them to PM you
[18:32] <sayers> UUA is ingenious !
[18:32] <Seeker`> javaJake: If you ignore the other traffic in the channel, and only conentreate on people addressing you, it is virtually 1-to-1
[18:32] <Seeker`> javaJake: with the advantage that othe rpeople can join in
[18:32] <bazhang> sayers, how may we help you
[18:32] <Seeker`> javaJake: People tend not to answer questions because they dont know the answer
[18:32] <javaJake> Seeker`: right...
[18:32] <nalioth> javaJake: we do that now ( take folks aside to less busy channel(s) )
[18:32] <Seeker`> javaJake: Just because it is a smaller channel doesn't mean that people would magically know the answers
[18:33] <javaJake> sayers: don't need your help. Thank you anyway.
[18:34] <PriceChild> So what's going on, are you trying to sell this to us?
[18:34] <javaJake> Seeker`: no, but it means it magically becomes more friendly to answers ;)
[18:34] <javaJake> PriceChild: no, not at all.
[18:34] <Seeker`> javaJake: I fail to see how :)
[18:34] <javaJake> Really, I was only here to see what you guys thought
[18:35] <Seeker`> javaJake: If someone sees a question they can answer in #u, they say "nick: Try this"
[18:35] <Seeker`> and the other person replies "helper: Ok, what now?"
[18:35] <Seeker`> and it is a 1-to-1 conversation
[18:35] <javaJake> And if you guys liked it, maybe extras would follow, but I wasn't expecting anything :P
[18:35] <Seeker`> all it takes is a little common sense to hilight the person you are talking to, and replies dont get lost
[18:36] <javaJake> OK, yes.
[18:36] <javaJake> Again... #ubuntu works, but in some spots it fails
[18:37] <javaJake> But I see we'll have to agree to disagree...
[18:38] <javaJake> How long does it take for MetaBot to announce a problem in #ubuntu-meta?
[18:39] <javaJake> OK, if I can be a bothersome jerk... ;)
[18:40] <Seeker`> javaJake: 4 minutes
[18:40] <Seeker`> javaJake: It says that on the wiki page
[18:41] <javaJake> OK
[18:43] <javaJake> Hmm, after observing #ubuntu for five minutes, MetaBot works really well :D
[18:44] <javaJake> Well, thanks for the conversation Seeker` :)
[18:46] <Seeker`> I would have placed money on a suggestion involving a new channel that replicates, in part, #ubuntu, but with it being "less busy"
[18:47]  * PriceChild wonders what that was about
[18:51] <Seeker`> PriceChild: A new channel where people go and ask their question, and a "registered helper" helps them, 1-on-1
[18:51] <PriceChild> No just wondering why they came here.
[18:52] <Seeker`> the ops "run" ubuntu channels
[19:37] <Myrtti> hello
[19:39] <bazhang> hi Myrtti :)
[20:50] <Flannel> blah wols
[20:51] <jpds> Myrtti: re: -otr - True.
[20:57] <Myrtti> though - now I managed to make it segfault
[20:57] <Myrtti> my touchpad stopped working
[20:57] <jpds> Closing a /query?
[20:58] <Myrtti> /otr finish
[20:58] <Myrtti> I think
[20:58] <jpds> Never had a segfault doing that... I sometimes do randomly doing /query tho..
[21:56] <Flannel> Mmmm.
[21:56] <Flannel> I realised that could be taken... wrongly.  too late