[00:20] <stevenw> hello all
[02:38] <qwerty121> hello. How can i change the background image? My right-click isn't working... :(
[02:38] <Genelyk> uhmm
[02:39] <Genelyk> aplicationes-configuration-configuration-desktop
[02:39] <Genelyk> top left
[02:39] <qwerty121> Genelyk: there's no configuration in applications
[02:39] <Genelyk> uhmm
[02:40] <qwerty121> Genelyk: i got it
[02:40] <qwerty121> thanks
[03:25] <BiNaRyCoDe> Ubuntu Failed to start the X Server, could someone help me find a solution?
[03:26] <Genelyk> what message error show¿
[03:28] <BiNaRyCoDe> hld on
[03:28] <BiNaRyCoDe> sorryu
[03:29] <BiNaRyCoDe> Error: "/etc/gdm/failsafeXserver: line 47 [: too many arguments Warning: Could not retrieve Edid because get - edid is not installed(1)"
[03:31] <BiNaRyCoDe> Genelyk: Still there?
[03:31] <Genelyk> uhmm
[03:31] <BiNaRyCoDe> So did you see my error message above?
[03:31] <Genelyk> paste  ,  message
[03:32] <Genelyk> ﻿ http://paste.ubuntu.com    there  error
[03:32] <BiNaRyCoDe> ok....but what will that do?
[03:35] <BiNaRyCoDe> Genelyk: umm...I did what ya said....now what???
[03:35] <Genelyk> one moment
[03:35] <BiNaRyCoDe> k
[03:35] <Genelyk> u.u mi ingles es pobre
[03:36] <BiNaRyCoDe> what? I dont speak spanish, sorry
[03:37] <ozkugh> que esta mucho lolololololollolo
[03:37] <Genelyk> u.u
[03:37] <Genelyk> write  your  xorg.conf
[03:37] <ozkugh> yo quero mucho coca por favor
[03:37] <ozkugh> lololol
[03:38] <BiNaRyCoDe> Genelyk: I gotta go but thanks for the help
[03:38] <Genelyk> q dijo u.u
[03:39] <Genelyk> coca?
[03:40] <ozkugh> si
[03:40] <ozkugh> coca
[03:41] <ozkugh> http://i33.tinypic.com/sgsq3l.jpg
[03:41] <ozkugh> mucha coca
[03:45] <Genelyk> esta esm i pc
[03:45] <Genelyk> http://genelyk.googlepages.com/feiooo.jpg
[03:46] <ozkugh> queres coca
[03:47] <Genelyk> naa
[03:49] <ozkugh> lol
[03:51] <ozkugh> queres vicodin por favor
[04:17] <ozkugh> hola
[12:04] <Rakeer> How can I set Xubuntu to completely restore my session when I reboot?
[12:12] <TheSheep> Rakeer: not everything can be saved in a session
[13:06] <Andy_1984> hi
[13:07] <Andy_1984> need a few questions answering if possible before i venture into ubuntu world
[13:07] <tuna> fire away
[13:07] <Andy_1984> cool
[13:07] <Andy_1984> well i use xp atm and i use a kernelmode driver as a plugin for gaming
[13:07] <Andy_1984> wonder if this will work on ubuntu
[13:08] <Andy_1984> .sys driver - xp kernel
[13:08] <tuna> huh?
[13:09] <tuna> the xp and inux kernel, and drivers for them, are completely uncompatible
[13:09] <tuna> *linuc
[13:09] <tuna> *linux
[13:09] <Andy_1984> is there any way to porn it over
[13:09] <tuna> damn, can't type today
[13:09] <tuna> lol
[13:09] <Andy_1984> port
[13:09] <Andy_1984> lol
[13:09] <tuna> ... at least I'm not the only one
[13:10] <tuna> a complete rewrite
[13:10] <tuna> but what exactly do you need it for?
[13:10] <Andy_1984> steam, game
[13:10] <Andy_1984> its essential
[13:10] <tuna> steam runs fine on wine
[13:10] <Andy_1984> yes but my driver wont
[13:10] <tuna> what device is it for?
[13:10] <Andy_1984> its a cheat :( ring0 (kernelmode) cheat
[13:11] <Andy_1984> dont hate me
[13:11] <tuna> lol
[13:11] <tuna> a complete rewrite
[13:11] <Andy_1984> i thought as much
[13:11] <Andy_1984> same with vista aswell
[13:12] <Andy_1984> stuck on xp because i cant disable patch guardf
[13:13] <tuna> the NT kernel (what xp uses) and Linux share no common ancestry. That means, even the formats differ, and the API's are not even near each other. First you'd have to shoehorn it into a linux module to be able to load it in kernel mode, and then, since the data structures very likely have nothing whatsoever in common, all it would do is rewrite parts of kernel memory with trash and crash the machine.
[13:14] <tuna> so, no go.
[13:14] <Andy_1984> ok
[13:14] <Andy_1984> you seem quite upto speed on this subject
[13:14] <tuna> Done some kernel coding in the past.
[13:14] <Andy_1984> one last question
[13:14] <tuna> ya?
[13:16] <Andy_1984> the driver is pretty much perfect in every way, made by organner not myself but it bsods a lot, i know microsoft crash report can determine the problem, any other way?
[13:17] <tuna> I dunno. Never hacked around in windows kernel code much.
[13:17] <tuna> It's dangerous... if you work too close to microsoft stuff and then write something in same domain, they can claim they own it.
[13:18] <Andy_1984> all i know about this driver is it does not go through ssdt or whatever
[13:18] <Andy_1984> no memory modfiication, no code injection
[13:20] <tuna> I dunno.
[13:20] <Andy_1984> ok cheers anyway cya
[14:10] <indent> hi..
[14:10] <indent> can somebody help me to recover my windows?
[14:10] <indent> i cannot boot into windows after i install ubuntu
[14:11] <indent> please somebody help me
[14:11] <wols_> is windows showuing up in your grub menu?
[14:11] <indent> nope
[14:11] <indent> but my windows is still inside the drive
[14:11] <wols_> sudo fdisk -l
[14:12] <indent> this is my fdisk -l
[14:12] <indent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41809/
[14:12] <indent> and this is my menu.lst
[14:12] <indent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41860/
[14:13] <wols_> wtf did you do?
[14:13] <wols_> why that many partitions?
[14:14] <wols_> and this is not a ubuntu generated menu.lst
[14:14] <wols_> what did you do with the original menu.lst?
[14:14] <indent> i make my own part for /var /usr /bla..bla..
[14:14] <indent> this is my original menu.lst
[14:14] <indent> i just show up the last line
[14:14] <wols_> no it's not. lots is missing
[14:16] <indent> ok..i'll give u the exact file
[14:16] <indent> hold on
[14:17] <indent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41864/
[14:17] <indent> there it is
[14:22] <indent> how was that?
[14:24] <indent> somebody please help
[14:25] <vidd> indent, what is your issue?
[14:25] <indent> i cant boot into windows after i install ubuntu
[14:26] <vidd> how did you install ubuntu?
[14:26] <indent> i use same drive to run windows and ubuntu
[14:26] <indent> using manual configure to create partition for ubuntu
[14:27] <vidd> you machine had windows on it...you took the ubuntu disk....what did you do next?
[14:27] <indent> yeah
[14:27] <vidd> ok....
[14:27] <indent> already got windows in it b4 i install ubuntu
[14:27] <vidd> one hard drive or 2?
[14:27] <indent> i just install ubuntu as usual..
[14:28] <indent> i create one by one partition for /var /usr /tmp /bla..bla..
[14:28] <vidd> hold up...
[14:28] <indent> ok
[14:28] <vidd> i want to know if you had two (or more) partitions when you installed windows
[14:29] <indent> yup
[14:29] <indent> i got 2 part
[14:29] <vidd> ok....
[14:29] <indent> 1st for windows
[14:29] <indent> 2nd for ubuntu
[14:29] <vidd> are they seperate hard drives or multiple partitions on one hard drive?
[14:30] <indent> one hdd
[14:31] <vidd> ok... when you went itno the partitioner in ubuntu install....how many partitions showed up BEFORE you provisioned them?
[14:31] <indent> here is my fdisk -l
[14:31] <indent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41809/
[14:32] <indent> and ..this is my menu.lst
[14:32] <indent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/41864/
[14:33] <vidd> that is rather amusing....
[14:34] <vidd> ive seen windows pretend it was the only OS installed...but never a linux distro!
[14:34] <vidd> i dont have a dual boot machine
[14:35] <vidd> so i cant look at the menu.lst on it to see what the proper verbage is....
[14:36] <vidd> but you need to add a record that points to the boot.ini for the windows section
[14:36] <indent> how can i do that?
[14:36] <vidd> edit your menu.lst to add the record
[14:36] <indent> how?
[14:37] <indent> what should i do to edit it?
[14:37] <vidd> open it with root access and type the correct info and save
[14:39] <vidd> you can also try sudo update-grub
[14:41] <vidd> do you see in the lines 37 - 43 in the menu.lst you pastebin'd?
[14:41] <wols_> update-grub won't help
[14:41] <indent> yeah
[14:42] <vidd> that is the data you need to add
[14:42] <vidd> line 40 needs (hd0,0) changed to the right partitions
[14:43] <vidd> add it to about 146 ... and make sure the #'s are not there when you add it
[14:44] <vidd> if im reading it correctly....it should be hd0,6
[14:45] <indent> just change line 40..or need to add new line?
[14:45] <vidd> add new lines
[14:45] <vidd> copy lines 37-43 to line 146....
[14:45] <vidd> uncomment them....
[14:46] <vidd> on the new lines, change 0,0 to 0,6
[14:46] <vidd> reboot, cross fingers and pray
[14:47] <indent> ok..i'm working on it now
[14:47] <vidd> if it dont work correctly, you will need to boot into a live cd and modify those lines
[14:47] <vidd> until it works correctly...or comment them out to get the same thing you have now
[14:48] <indent> ok..
[14:48] <indent> i'll try
[14:48] <vidd> i have never done this myself....but it should work
[14:48] <vidd> someone correct me if i missed something!
[14:48] <indent> thanks a lot for ur help
[14:49] <vidd> just understand that my advise comes with no warrenty!
[15:06] <vidd> i cant seam to get mount a network share drive correctly
[15:33] <vidd> wols_, did you see anything wrong with the info i gave indent?
[15:33] <wols_> he messaged me unasked, he's on my autoignore
[15:33] <vidd> oh
[15:35] <vidd> im wondering if him not coming back is a good thing or a bad thing
[15:35] <vidd> i hate to give out bad advise
[15:35] <wols_> he's in ubuntu and asks the same question again
[16:36] <sponix> Looking for advice on webcams, anyone know of one under $40 that "just works" without any fiddling around ?
[16:37] <vidd> sponix, from my experience...they all "Just work"
[16:38] <sponix> vidd:  Really? What are a few of the ones you have used that "just work" ?
[16:38] <vidd> however...they dont integrate with any apps
[16:38] <vidd> there is that microsoft webcam that comes in a two pack....
[16:39] <vidd> i dont know what the actual names are....
[16:39] <vidd> i just plug the usb in, and open cheese....and there is the inmage
[16:40] <vidd> my suggestion is borrow a freind's webcam
[16:40] <vidd> plug the usb into your computer and try it out
[16:40]  * vidd dont use webcams
[16:45] <march> sponix: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Hardwaredatenbank/Peripherie#Webkameras / http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntuusers.de%2FHardwaredatenbank%2FPeripherie%23Webkameras&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en
[16:51] <march> I'm using Logitech QuickCam Messenger - works fine. Costs about 20 €
[16:51] <vidd> march, do you have it integrated with any apps....such as intant messanger?
[16:52] <sponix> march:  just plug it in and go? Looking for something that works with Skype on Linux 2.6.24+ (Ubuntu Hardy)
[16:53] <march> I plugged it in and it worked. The only IM I'm using is Pidgin.
[16:53] <march> Camorama is the software I'm using.
[16:55] <march> But as vidd said - ask a buddy for a cam :)
[16:58] <whileimhere> Hi Is there a way to modify how close the desktop icons can go to the edge of the screen?
[16:59] <vidd> whileimhere, yes there is....but i dont recall exactly how
[16:59] <whileimhere> I never found it
[17:02] <vidd> im looking
[17:03] <whileimhere> Thanks
[17:04] <march> sponix: my webcam is supported by Skype - just downloaded the Software and tested it
[17:06] <vidd> whileimhere, try modifying ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/desktop.xml
[17:06] <vidd> whileimhere, make a backup!
[17:07] <march> The integrated mic is also working.
[17:07] <vidd> whileimhere, brb
[17:13] <sponix> Logitech QuickCam Messenger aye ? Did it take right off, or did you have to build a driver ?
[17:14] <march> It worked out of box - lsusb: 046d:08da
[17:14] <sponix> march:  And do you mind getting me the full model number, part number, or whatever is provided on the box and device itself. I just want to know an _exact_ known working model before I purchase
[17:14] <sponix> march:  That is great
[17:15] <sponix> Have to have something like that, so the wife can just jack it in and fire over the Application when I'm over seas
[17:15] <march> But I don't know if there exist diferent models in other countries...
[17:15] <whileimhere> vidd thanks
[17:18] <march> The only thing is that you must boot without the cam. Otherwise Xubuntu finds another soundcard. In this case i edited a fil - but I don't know which one ;)
[17:19] <whileimhere> hmm where is the notification add on for the panel I dont seem to see it anywhere
[17:20] <whileimhere> oh found it
[17:20] <whileimhere> its called system try
[17:20] <march> It was /etc/modprobe.d/snd-usb-audio
[17:20] <vidd> whileimhere, did editing that file fix you up?
[17:20] <whileimhere> I have not tried it
[17:21] <whileimhere> I wrote it down to try in a bit
[17:27] <JinKazama> hi all
[17:28] <march> hi
[17:31] <ozkugh> hi
[17:31] <march> hi
[17:32] <ozkugh> is there a vay to remap the right mouse button to be the middle mouse/scroll button and vice versa?
[17:32] <ozkugh> way *
[17:33] <whileimhere> Okay last question for today I think. Is there a way to make the panel transparent but not the icons in it?
[17:33] <whileimhere> I know that GNOME can do this but can XFCE?
[17:33] <vidd> if gnome can do it, xfce can do it
[17:34] <vidd> and if all else fails, replace xfce panels with gnome panels =]
[17:34] <whileimhere> wont that just make XFCE heavy and the point of XFCE is to stay light?
[17:36] <vidd> if you cannot get the funtionality you want with the lightweight app, add the bloat (cuzz its only bloat if you dont use the "extra" features)
[17:36] <whileimhere> LOL okay
[17:36] <whileimhere> thanks
[18:32] <Tibbelit> Hi I got a question
[18:32] <Tibbelit> If a driver isn't installed... How do I install it?
[18:32] <vidd> Tibbelit, i have answers
[18:33] <vidd> Tibbelit, what driver you talking about?
[18:34] <Tibbelit> Casue my screen only shows 800x600 px (laptop) so there's black all around... IT should be 1024x 768 (or what it si:P)
[18:34] <Tibbelit> And my wireless networkcard ain't working (connected through USB)
[18:55] <Tibbelit> Anyone who can help me:)?
[18:55] <vidd> Tibbelit, sorry...im at work and had to take a call
[18:55] <Tibbelit> no problems at all!
[18:56] <vidd> for the display, do you have 1024x768 as an option?
[18:57] <vidd> also, what does lsusb say about your wifi card
[18:57] <Tibbelit> no, no option higher than 800x600
[18:58] <Tibbelit> shall check'
[18:59] <vidd> so "default" "800x600" and some ridiculous other setting?
[18:59] <vidd> or just "default"?
[18:59] <Tibbelit> I'm sorry what's lsusb? First time I use linux
[18:59] <vidd> open terminal and type lsusb
[19:00] <Tibbelit> There's default and several other options, 800.600, and lower options
[19:00] <vidd> so you ARE at 1024x768
[19:01] <vidd> you simply need to set your bios to stretch your screen
[19:01] <Tibbelit> no, I'm at 800x600
[19:01] <vidd> then set it to "default"
[19:02] <Tibbelit> ok
[19:02] <vidd> did that get you what you need?
[19:02] <Tibbelit> Default is the same as the option "800x600", shall reboot later and check bios...
[19:03] <Tibbelit> okej
[19:03] <Tibbelit> terminal:
[19:03] <Tibbelit> Bus 001 Device002: 0cf3:0002 Atheros Communications, Inc.
[19:07] <vidd> Tibbelit, all im finding for that device is "use ndiswrapper"
[19:07] <vidd> http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=738871
[19:08] <Tibbelit> okej, thanks, gonna read it:)
[19:21] <ozkugh> morning everyone
[19:30] <march> Good evening :)
[19:32] <Rakeer> good afternoon :D
[19:36] <Tibbelit2> tried to follow the forum, "Coulden't find the package ndiswrapper-common"
[19:36] <march> *g*
[19:36] <Tibbelit2> does it mean I have to download it?
[19:37] <march> Use Synaptic
[19:37] <Tibbelit2> I'm a big beginner:), can you explain more?
[19:38] <march> I'll try - my menue isn't in english ;)
[19:38] <Tibbelit2> mean either;)
[19:38] <march> Applications -> System -> Synaptic
[19:38] <Tibbelit2> Swedish here;)
[19:38] <march> German here ;)
[19:38] <Rakeer> Tibbelit2: did you remeber to 'sudo apt-get update' first?
[19:39] <Tibbelit2> Rakeer, no?, do I need to connect to internet then?
[19:40] <Rakeer> well, it updates the packages in synaptic to be a current list
[19:40] <march> http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntuusers.de%2FWLAN%2FNdisWrapper&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=sv - maybe it helps Tibbelit2
[19:41] <Tibbelit2> thanks:)
[19:41] <march> I'll shutdown - it's time for supper :)
[19:42] <march> C U :)
[19:59] <Roger> hello
[19:59] <Roger> I'm having a problem with my pcmcia card
[20:00] <Roger> it's a network everywhre 10 base t card
[20:00] <Roger> It's not found by lspci
[20:00] <vidd> Roger, try lspcmcia
[20:01] <Roger> ok
[20:01] <Roger> but fyi
[20:01] <Roger> pccardctl ident
[20:01] <Roger> returns this:
[20:02] <Roger> Socket 0:
[20:02] <Roger> no product info available
[20:02] <Roger> Socket 1:
[20:02] <Roger> product info: "Network Everywhere","Ethernet 10BaseT PC Card", "2.0", " "
[20:02] <Roger> manfid: 0x0149, 0xclab
[20:02] <Roger> function: 5 (network)
[20:02] <vidd> ok...so the card is there
[20:02] <vidd> what is (or isnt) happening?
[20:03] <Roger> ok
[20:03] <Roger> it retuens:
[20:03] <Roger> Socket 0 Bridge: Yenta card_bus
[20:04] <Roger> socket 1 Bridge: same
[20:04] <vidd> socket 0 is empty
[20:04] <Roger> Socket 1 divice 0: o driver
[20:04] <Roger> *no driver
[20:05] <Roger> would socket 1 divice 0 be my network card?
[20:05] <vidd> should be
[20:05] <Roger> ok
[20:05] <Roger> on the website of this card
[20:06] <Roger> it has a driver download that includes a text file for linux users
[20:06] <Roger> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=81592&d=1218751314
[20:06] <vidd> does ifconfig show anything for this card (most likely eth0
[20:06] <Roger> there's no eth0 or any other number
[20:07] <vidd> is this a LAN card or wi-fi?
[20:07] <Roger> LAN caed
[20:08] <Roger> *card
[20:08] <wols_> Roger: what card exactly? lspci -nn
[20:08] <wols_> Roger: use lspcmcia  then
[20:09] <wols_> and to check for a ethX interface: ifconfig -a
[20:09] <Roger> i already did lspcmcia
[20:09] <Roger> it returned no drivers for divice 0 in socket 1
[20:09] <Roger> the card is:
[20:10] <Roger> "Network Everywhere","Ethernet 10BaseT PC Card", "2.0"
[20:10] <Roger> according to pccardctl ident
[20:11] <Roger> ifconfig -a gives nothing about the card
[20:12] <Roger> hi
[20:12] <Roger> sorry, i dropped for a second
[20:12] <Roger> anyone type anything while i was gone?\
[20:13] <Roger> hello?
[20:16] <vidd> Roger, no they didnt
[20:16] <vidd> and please dont ping the room
[20:16] <Roger> ok
[20:16] <Roger> sorry
[20:28] <Roger> so, does anyone have  any ideas about my pcmcia card?
[20:29] <vidd> i dont....never seen lan cand not work
[20:30] <Roger> ok, well thanks anyway
[20:30] <Roger> btw, i'm sure it's not just the card being broken, because it stopped working on switching from windows 2000 to linux
[20:35] <Roger> anyone else here willing to give it a shot?
[20:35] <vidd> was it in the slot when you installed?
[20:36] <Roger> idk how the slots are numbered
[20:36] <Roger> it's in the top one, of 2
[20:36] <vidd> so then .... yes...it was in the slot when you installed
[20:37] <vidd> or ....no....i plugged it in after i installed
[20:37] <Roger> it was in when i installed
[20:38] <vidd> gee Roger are you palmtree3000?
[20:38] <Roger> yes
[20:39] <Roger> ubuntu forums post?
[20:39] <vidd> yeah
[20:39] <vidd> first place i go
[20:40] <Roger> the thread died, apparently
[21:17] <deakillo> hi
[21:20] <vidd> deakillo, you looking for help?
[21:27] <deakillo> vidd: yes
[21:27] <deakillo> sorry i was not here
[21:27] <deakillo> im back
[21:27] <vidd> what do you need
[21:28] <deakillo> im 'designing' my xfce windows environment.. i already change the user interface
[21:28] <deakillo> window manager and fonts
[21:29] <deakillo> but i dont found the way to change the gray color of my panels
[21:29] <deakillo> any idea?
[21:30] <vidd> deakillo, that is outside my expertise
[21:30] <deakillo> ok
[21:30] <deakillo> thank you anyway
[21:31] <favro> deakillo: I do that with a .gtkrc-mine file in /home/me
[21:32] <deakillo> .gtkrc-mine?
[21:32] <deakillo> ahh ok k
[21:32] <deakillo> you create that folder
[21:32] <favro> deakillo: in your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file the last line should be "include ~/.gtkrc-mine" yes?
[21:33] <deakillo> favro: i cant found that file
[21:33] <deakillo> .gtkrc-2.0?
[21:33] <deakillo> cant see it
[21:34] <favro> deakillo: in thunar - view-show hidden files  will let you see it
[21:34] <deakillo> yeah
[21:34] <deakillo> im looking in hidden files
[21:34] <deakillo> i cannot see it
[21:35] <favro> it's a file in your home folder after all the folders
[21:36] <favro> deakillo: try in a terminal   ls -a | grep gtk
[21:36] <deakillo> the closest is
[21:36] <deakillo> gtk-bookmarks
[21:37] <deakillo> when i try that comment
[21:37] <deakillo> .gtk-bookmarks
[21:37] <deakillo> appears
[21:37] <favro> hmmm
[21:38] <deakillo> that command*
[21:39] <favro> deakillo: well I would make a file named .gtkrc-2.0  and add the line   include ~/.gtkrc-mine  to it then make the .gtkrc-mine file
[21:41] <deakillo> i see
[21:41] <deakillo> well create files is not the same as creating folders?
[21:41] <deakillo> or tis the same process
[21:42] <favro> deakillo: I right click in my home folder and select create doc - mt file
[21:43] <deakillo> ok i create it
[21:43] <deakillo> then i add a line
[21:43] <deakillo> .gtkrc-mine
[21:43] <deakillo> like this?
[21:44] <favro> deakillo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41982/ - I just change the background color bg[NORMAL]
[21:44] <favro> deakillo: don't forget the   "include ~/gtkrc-mine"
[21:46] <deakillo> ok i did that
[21:46] <deakillo> then i need to create another file?
[21:46] <deakillo> .gtkrc-mine?
[21:48] <deakillo> ok i did that
[21:48] <deakillo> now in .gtkrc-mine i copy paste the pastebin you send to me?
[21:49] <favro> deakillo: yep
[21:49] <favro> and change the background to a color you prefer
[21:50] <favro> deakillo: then in terminal  killall xfce4-panel   and   xfce4-panel &    to see how it looks
[21:52] <deakillo> didnt work:(
[21:53] <deakillo> wow
[21:53] <deakillo> and now i cant get my panel
[21:53] <deakillo> when i close my terminal
[21:53] <deakillo> my panel disappear
[21:54] <favro> deakillo: type   exit   in terminal then hit enter to keep panel up - what is the line you have in .gtkrc-2.0 please copy and paste
[21:55] <deakillo> i cant even go to terminal agian
[21:55] <deakillo> how would i?
[21:55] <deakillo> there is no panel
[21:55] <favro> deakillo: alt+F2 and type xfce4-panel
[21:57] <deakillo> the line in .gtkrc-2.0 is simple
[21:57] <deakillo> .gtkrc-mine
[21:57] <deakillo> as you told me
[21:57] <deakillo> then i create another .gtkrc-mine file and is where i copy paste does lines
[21:57] <deakillo> i just change background to (black) just as a try
[21:58] <favro> deakillo: I told you different line than that
[21:58] <deakillo> sorry yeah
[21:58] <deakillo> what i have its
[21:58] <deakillo> include ~/gtkrc-mine
[21:58] <deakillo> then i create the .gtkrc-mine file
[21:59] <deakillo> and is where i copy paste does lines you send me
[21:59] <favro> missed the dot in front of gtk...
[21:59] <favro>  include ~/.gtkrc-mine
[21:59] <deakillo> ahh
[22:00] <favro> :)
[22:01] <deakillo> btw there are to bg options
[22:01] <deakillo> bg[NORMAL] = "#22478e"
[22:01] <deakillo> #bg[NORMAL] = "#252525"
[22:01] <deakillo> i change both?
[22:01] <deakillo> or just the first one?
[22:01] <favro> deakillo: lines that start with # aren't read - so just change the one without it
[22:02] <favro> deakillo: I alternate between a couple of themes so have two lines there to make it easier to change
[22:03] <deakillo> hey
[22:03] <deakillo> didnt work again
[22:03] <deakillo> :(
[22:04] <favro> deakillo: can you paste what   ls -a | grep gtk   says please
[22:05] <deakillo> yeah until i get my panel again
[22:05] <deakillo> its a real pain to make alt-f2 works
[22:05] <deakillo> i need to repeat it a lot of times
[22:05] <deakillo> cause im using vmware
[22:05] <deakillo> and alt-f2 is a function for osx:S
[22:06] <deakillo> its really a pain
[22:06] <favro> deakillo: use exit and enter so you don't lose the panels...
[22:06] <favro> or leave the terminal running until the o\panel is setup then
[22:06] <favro> *panel
[22:07] <deakillo> ahh icant get
[22:07] <deakillo> alt f2 to work again
[22:07] <deakillo> it was luck before
[22:08] <favro> deakillo: if alt+F2 doesn't work you'll have to ctrl+alt+bkspace to logout and in
[22:08] <deakillo> ok
[22:09] <favro> :)
[22:09] <favro> :(
[22:12] <deakillo> back
[22:12] <favro> :)
[22:12] <deakillo> whats was the command?
[22:13] <favro> to restart the panel? - or ls -a | grep gtk
[22:13] <deakillo> you told me to
[22:13] <deakillo> give me the output of something
[22:14] <deakillo> what was that
[22:14] <favro> ls -a | grep gtk
[22:15] <favro> that means list the files in this dir that have gtk in thier names
[22:15] <favro> even the hidden ones
[22:15] <favro> *their
[22:15] <deakillo> .gtk-bookmarks
[22:15] <deakillo> .gtkrc-2.0
[22:15] <deakillo> .gtkrc-mine
[22:16] <deakillo> does are the only ones
[22:17] <favro> they're the ones we need - I wanted to check the spelling of the filenames
[22:18] <deakillo> ok
[22:19] <Ben_Cs> guys, i'm shocked: debian+xfce takes only ~80MB of RAM, while xubuntu takes ~350MB. what a difference!
[22:20] <deakillo> im trying something diffrent
[22:20] <deakillo> different
[22:20] <deakillo> what was the command?
[22:20] <deakillo> killall xfce-panel?
[22:20] <deakillo> and then.. xfce4-panel &
[22:20] <deakillo> ?
[22:21] <deakillo> yeah it was
[22:21] <deakillo> and didnt work again
[22:21] <deakillo> ahhh
[22:22] <favro> Ben_Cs: it uses only 76mb here to paint the desktop
[22:23] <favro> deakillo: any luck?
[22:23] <deakillo> noup
[22:23] <Ben_Cs> favro: meaning?
[22:23] <favro> Ben_Cs: I think somethings up with your setup
[22:24] <favro> deakillo: can you paste what   ls -a | grep gtk   says please
[22:24] <vidd> Ben_Cs, i have xubuntu running on a system with only 128 ram
[22:24] <Ben_Cs> favro: the default setup of xubuntu. did you disable all autostarted apps in xubuntu?
[22:24] <deakillo> i told you favro
[22:24] <deakillo>  .gtk-bookmarks
[22:24] <deakillo>  .gtkrc-2.0
[22:24] <deakillo>  .gtkrc-mine
[22:24] <deakillo> this
[22:25] <vidd> and i made no customization
[22:25] <favro> deakillo: ok - what I showed you works everywhere - check spelling please
[22:25] <favro> Ben_Cs: no - try   top  in terminal - > will show mem users
[22:27] <favro> deakillo: I was hoping you would paste that output - not type it...
[22:27] <deakillo> it was copy paste
[22:27] <favro> k
[22:28] <Ben_Cs> favro: nevermind how much Xorg takes. what's important is ammount of mem the whole system is using
[22:28] <deakillo> favro can you send the pastebin agian please
[22:28] <deakillo> i want to check it again
[22:29] <favro>  deakillo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/41982/
[22:29] <favro> ben
[22:30] <favro> Ben_Cs: by "paint the desktop" I meant mem usage after login
[22:30] <deakillo> are you sure i just need to type a color?
[22:30] <deakillo> maybe has to be with the numbers?
[22:31] <deakillo> i will change it and restart instead of killall
[22:31] <deakillo> just to be 100% sure
[22:31] <favro> deakillo: should be like this after the =   "#22478e"
[22:31] <deakillo> yeah
[22:31] <favro> k
[22:31] <deakillo> does numbers are the ones i have
[22:31] <Ben_Cs> favro: ok
[22:32] <Ben_Cs> didn't check on login
[22:32] <Ben_Cs> anyways i'm off. bye
[22:33] <Ben_Cs> and thanks
[22:33] <favro> Ben_Cs: how much are you running in the b/ground? - lamp etc?
[22:33] <favro> well...
[22:34] <deakillo> noup didnt work
[22:34] <deakillo> you dont know of any alternative?
[22:35] <favro> deakillo: in your .gtkrc-2.0 file change it to  include /home/"your login name"/.gtkrc-mine
[22:38] <deakillo> hey guess what
[22:38] <deakillo> xfce-dusk
[22:38] <deakillo> change my panel
[22:38] <deakillo> and i like it looks cool lol
[22:38] <deakillo> i think this works
[22:38] <favro> :)
[22:39] <deakillo> i found a very cool
[22:39] <deakillo> matrix fonts
[22:40] <deakillo> i make the font just a little bit biggers
[22:40] <deakillo> looks awsome lol
[22:46] <deakillo> favro: the use hinting option is just for low resolution monitors?
[22:46] <deakillo> cause when i take it off.. everything look a bit better
[22:46] <favro> I've never played with it - sorry
[22:47] <deakillo> ok
[22:47] <deakillo> thx
[23:24] <Pstevens> newbie seeking advice, please: I'm running Xubuntu Dapper Drake on a rather old machine
[23:25] <Pstevens> I need support for a specific Wireless adapter which I know to be supported under Hardy Heron
[23:25] <Pstevens> If I upgrade to Hardy, will I need a higher spec machine?
[23:26] <Pstevens> That's a stupid question ... I don't mean, higher spec than I have (as I haven't told you the spec)
[23:26] <Pstevens> I mean, in general, do the later versions of Xubuntu require bigger, faster hardware than the earlier versions?
[23:44] <Chaser_> I do not understand support for specific wireless adapter has nothing to do with x G or K desktop. You can Update to Hardy with Xubuntu Desktop and Xubuntu strives to be thin (isnt its main goal) so I believe you do not need a higher spec machine
[23:44] <Chaser_> I do not understand support for specific wireless adapter has nothing to do with x G or K desktop. You can Update to Hardy with Xubuntu Desktop and Xubuntu strives to be thin (isnt its main goal) so I believe you do not need a higher spec machine
[23:44] <Chaser_> Ignore my first message
[23:45] <Pstevens> Chaser, thanks.  Yes I get the point about not depending on the desktop.
[23:45] <Pstevens> That's why I was hoping that Xubuntu + Hardy Heron would give me the advantages of Hardy Heron (supports my new wireless thingy by default)
[23:45] <Pstevens> *and* the advantages of Xubuntu (lean, runs on modest spec machine)
[23:49] <Pstevens> The machine is 450 Mhz Pentium III + 240 MB (? according to lshw) of RAM.
[23:50] <Pstevens> anyway, I appreciate your reply.