[00:00] <dr_Willis> my exports line  /home  192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
[00:00] <dr_Willis> my fstab entry on other machines --> laptop:/home  /NFS/laptop/home  nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0
[00:01] <dr_Willis> laptop was the name of the nfs server in this case.. and i had a hosts file entry for the laptop machine
[00:01] <dr_Willis>  -/etc/hosts --> 192.168.1.105   laptop
[00:04] <dr_Willis> well good luck. Im hitting the ZZZZzzz....
[00:22] <Devourer> Is it easy to upgrade to KDE 4.1 after installing Kubuntu?
[00:26] <gkffjcs_> Devourer: yes, it is, but if your on hardy youlle need to add a repository
[00:26] <Devourer> !kubuntu
[00:28] <Devourer> gkffjcs_, does Kubuntu 8.10 run nicely yet?
[00:28] <gkffjcs_> I don't know, I have not personally run 8.10
[00:28] <gkffjcs_> but installing 4.1 in hardy is pretty easy, and as a desktop it's very stable
[00:29] <gkffjcs_> in my opinion
[00:29] <gkffjcs_> inface it is my exclusive desktop on my main computer
[00:30] <Devourer> gkffjcs_, yeah. It looks ncie.
[00:30] <Devourer> nice*
[00:30] <Devourer> gkffjcs_, what repo do I have to add?
[00:31] <gkffjcs_> one sec...
[00:33] <gkffjcs_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[00:33] <Devourer> gkffjcs_, what do you have to put deb in there?
[00:33] <gkffjcs_> "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main"
[00:34] <gkffjcs_> yeah, it gose deb http... and ends with hardy main
[00:34] <gkffjcs_> look at the others in the file there all the same format,
[00:35] <gkffjcs_> once you added that to the end of the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:35] <gkffjcs_> then run "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[00:55] <thiago_> fges
[01:21] <pablo> hi ppl .. been wondering if u could advice in wich game for ubuntu  ishould download... and where from ?
[01:30] <Devourer> pablo, Battletoads.
[01:31] <DarkriftX> lol
[01:33] <pablo> ty
[01:33] <gkffjcs_> Devourer: did that work for? any problems?
[01:34] <pablo> havent try it yet
[01:34] <pablo> thatś the game or the place to download ?
[01:35] <Devourer> gkffjcs_, I haven't tried it yet...
[01:35] <Devourer> gkffjcs_, I'm wondering if I should just wait until 8.10 comes out.
[01:36] <gkffjcs_> it's up to you, but In all honesty, I have had not problems from using it, and you get to keep kde3 so if anything gose wrong you can continue to use kde3 normally.
[01:40] <master_> hi
[02:12] <denis_> !de
[02:18] <Roey> wow :)
[02:19] <Roey> I completely undersood that
[02:19] <Roey> cool
[02:19] <KRF> me, too
[02:19] <Roey> German-language Help for problems with Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu [you can] find in the channels #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de and #edubuntu-de.
[02:19] <Roey> Like, wow :)
[02:19] <KRF> $ru | Roey
[02:19] <Roey> I mean, I don't speak German but I know a lot of words
[02:19] <KRF> !ru | Roey
[02:19] <Roey> oh
[02:19] <Roey> cool
[02:19] <KRF> now translate that
[02:20] <KRF> hrhr
[02:20] <KRF> okay, might be the same :)
[02:20] <Roey> Pozhalista pocetitie #ubuntu-ru dlya poluchieniya pomozhi na russkom yazekie
[02:20] <Roey> oh
[02:21] <Roey> it's already transliterated :P
[02:21] <Roey> pozhal--help
[02:21] <Roey> that word I know
[02:21] <Roey> cool :)
[02:21] <Roey> I don't know what dlya is though
[02:21] <Roey> or polucheniya
[03:11] <michael> hi i need help what is the command to kill my panel on the bottom
[03:13] <michael> it does not show what programs i am running just the K start button the time and the 2 virtual destop buttons
[03:19] <Sharah> Anyone having problems with KMixer after installing the latest linux kernal and headers...? It says that "mixer could not be found" anyone know of a way to find out whats going on?
[03:25] <gkffjcs_> For security reasons I decided to change my ssh port to 2200, my problem is that now if i try to ssh my server with ssh mysrv:2200 I get "ssh: name of service not know"
[03:25] <corigo> I am having difficulties with K3b reporting an error every time I burn the Ubuntu ISO.
[03:27] <corigo> I have redownloaded the ISO twice, I have changed to slower burn speeds, but always get the following error Written data in track 1 differs from the original
[03:29] <corigo> Any ideas on how I can confirm if it is Hardware, ISO, or application related?
[03:29] <Dragnslcr> gkffjcs_- try -p 2200 instead
[03:39] <gkffjcs_> Dragnslcr: thanks that works, but for some reason only when I manually enter my ip, if I try using "mysrv" which I added to /etc/hosts, the operation never ends,ssh just hangs for ever until I kill it with alt 4
[03:40] <gkffjcs_> using mysrv woked fine before I changed port, so I know that part is working fine
[03:40] <miecio> Ola pessoal
[03:41] <miecio> Meu kurumin 8 ng não imprime..alguem pode me ajudar ????
[03:41] <Dragnslcr> gkffjcs_- odd. Make sure ping mysrv works
[03:41] <Dragnslcr> !br | miecio
[03:42] <BenPA> hi can anyone point me to the correct konsole setup for wpa psk  ... having trouble with the format and some of the lines to use
[03:43] <Sharah> is there a way i can reinstall the linux kernal update all over again...i think it didn't work right and immediately after the download...my sound doesn't work and the error is kmixer cannot be found
[03:46] <miecio> ?????
[03:46] <miecio> ????
[03:46] <gkffjcs_> yeah, the ping works fine.
[03:46] <miecio> ??????????????????/
[03:52] <BenPA> hi can anyone point me to the correct konsole setup for wpa psk  ... having trouble with the format and some of the lines to use
[03:58] <eran> anyone knows a desktop search prog for kde 4.1?
[04:01] <Devourer> eran, something wrong with ones not for KDE 4.1?
[04:06] <vbgunz_> the file size view in konqueror 3.5.6 is a bit retarded... anyone know of a cool and fast program that can find where my disk space is going?
[04:06] <corigo> I'm a Krusader fan myself
[04:07] <vbgunz_> I tried getting baobab, I remember this being pretty cool but the repos don't have it :/
[04:10] <vbgunz_> trying filelight
[04:29] <Devo> So how do I update KDE 4 to 4.1?
[04:29] <mr---t-> !kde4
[04:30] <Devo> mr---t-, thanks. :)
[04:34] <mr---t-> np
[04:36] <veritas_> man the choppy scrolling in konqueror is driving me nuts for KDE 4.1
[04:39] <eamon> is there a move all files comand for konsol
[04:40] <eamon> hello
[04:40] <eamon> ?
[04:43] <veritas_> mv *?
[04:44] <veritas_> what are you trying to move?
[04:44] <mr---t-> he left
[04:49] <grendal_prime> god this pisses me off
[04:49] <grendal_prime> whenever i connect to my vpn to work..i loose all dns resolution for the rest of the internet.
[04:52] <Devo> mr---t-, I think it failed.
[04:57] <mr---t-> what
[04:57] <mr---t-> what failed?
[05:00] <Devo> mr---t-, I think I fixed it. Some dependency failed when installing 4.1. But, using -f with apt-get fixed it I think. Do I have to reboot now?
[05:01] <mr---t-> yes
[05:02] <mr---t-> when you get to the splash you have choose menu then kde4
[05:02] <Devo> K.
[05:02] <Devo> mr---t-, and that'll basically be choosing 4.1?
[05:02] <mr---t-> yup
[05:02] <Devo> mr---t-, if I didn't, would it use 4.0 because that was the last session used?
[05:03] <mr---t-> idk
[05:03] <Devo> Lol, ok.
[05:03] <Devo> Well, I'll reboot then.
[05:21] <Blacktides> Hello I'm looking for help setting up dual monitors in Ubuntu
[05:23] <mr---t-> !dualview
[05:24] <Blacktides> sorry I havn't used IRC at all in like 9 or 10 years.
[05:24] <Blacktides> lol whats the best client for Linux, used to be BitchX
[05:26] <mr---t-> !envy
[05:27] <Blacktides> ty
[05:29] <Devourer> How can I organize the icons on my desktop?
[05:35] <ChrisTollin> Hello
[06:59] <ubuntu_> can anybody help me? i'm having a little trouble after i installed Kubuntu
[07:00] <p_quarles> !ask | ubuntu_
[07:01] <ubuntu_> Ok.. After installation... i want to restart my pc.. but then, it doesn't find the os... and then i have to run from CD again...
[07:01] <ubuntu_> how can i solve this?
[07:01] <p_quarles> does the computer still start? does it start any other OS?
[07:02] <ubuntu_> i have XP... but it won't start it either
[07:02] <p_quarles> did the install process give you any error messages?
[07:02] <ubuntu_> not at first
[07:03] <ubuntu_> but then i had to re-install
[07:03] <ubuntu_> because i wouldn't start any other way
[07:03] <ubuntu_> and then it showed an error message
[07:04] <p_quarles> the more specific you are, the better people can help :) what did the error message say?
[07:04] <ubuntu_> it said grub couldn't start (or something like that) but it started kubuntu anyways
[07:05] <p_quarles> and you've already tried reinstalling, right? I ask because I'd suggest reinstalling just GRUB, but if you've reinstalled the entire OS, that's the same thing
[07:06] <mot> how do i tell kde when to turn my monitor off?
[07:11] <ubuntu_> sorry i was at the phone.. my gf..
[07:11] <ubuntu_> so... the fact is... if now i want to turn of my pc.. and restart... it won't find the OS
[07:11] <ubuntu_> neither kubuntu or Xp..
[07:12] <ubuntu_> and i really like to know what should i do...
[07:12] <ubuntu_> i'm sorry if i'm a little slow... this is my first time using linux
[07:14] <p_quarles> ubuntu_, I asked if you'd already tried reinstalling -- not b/c I recommend that, but because if you have it would rule something out
[07:16] <ubuntu_> I already reinstalled... that's why i'm here writing right now.. cuz i haven't restarted my pc.. or else i'd be reisntalling.. again
[07:18] <ubuntu_> when i first re-started... after the bios check, all it said was: OS not found...
[07:18] <kuresuna> is grub installed properly?
[07:18] <ubuntu_> and (strangely enough) the XP partition is D:.. not C:
[07:19] <ubuntu_> after reinstalll it said it couldn't load grub...
[07:19] <ubuntu_> should reinstall grub?
[07:19] <kuresuna> probably would be a good idea to
[07:20] <p_quarles> that's what I'd try; the fact that you reinstalled Kubuntu altogether suggests it may not help tho
[07:20] <ubuntu_> ok.. um how do i re-install grub only?
[07:21] <ubuntu_> is it an option with the CD?
[07:21] <p_quarles> ubuntu_, there's a good how-to that pops up as the first google result for "grub reinstall ubuntu"
[07:21] <p_quarles> ^ tells how to do it with the live CD
[07:21] <ubuntu_> ok i'll check it out...
[07:22] <HollowPoint> whois HollowPoint
[07:22] <HollowPoint> grah
[07:23] <rabindra> the adept-batch is continuously crashing with signal 11 (SIGSEGV) when trying to install mp3 support for amarok
[07:23] <rabindra> could anyone help me?
[07:23] <HollowPoint> try removing amarok all together, then re-install with mp3 support
[07:23] <rabindra> how do i make sure that it's reinstalled with mp3 support
[07:24] <HollowPoint> use KMenu > System > Adept Manager, uninstall Amarok, then once the operation is finish re-install, if you type "amarok" into the search bar at the top you should see all the appropriate plugins/modules for amarok, including mp3
[07:25] <rabindra> and adept is not working properly at all i have not been able to install a single package successfully since yesterday when i installed it
[07:25] <HollowPoint> you installed adept?
[07:25] <HollowPoint> adept is installed by default so that could be part of your problem
[07:25] <rabindra> no it was already installled
[07:26] <HollowPoint> you could try on the command line "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[07:28] <rabindra> ok i am trying
[07:28] <HollowPoint> np
[07:30] <cryingtux> hello
[07:30] <cryingtux> anybody knows how to fix repos gpg keys issue?
[07:31] <cryingtux> ! GPG key
[07:31] <emilsedgh> cryingtux: you should add the gpg key with apt-key command
[07:31] <emilsedgh> cryingtux: apt-key --help
[07:31] <cryingtux> emilsedgh: i tired but some keys dont add
[07:31] <emilsedgh> dunno then :)
[07:31] <p_quarles> !gpg | cryingtux
[07:32] <cryingtux> im trying to add these repos
[07:32] <cryingtux> http://mathpages.blogspot.com/2008/04/ubuntu-hardy-repositories-list.html?showComment=1216465680000#c2296072772041053721
[07:33] <HollowPoint> add them through Kmenu > System > Adept Manager > Adept > Manage Repositories
[07:33] <HollowPoint> you can add keys in there as well in a gui
[07:35] <cryingtux> HollowPoint: well, manager repos doesn`t open separate dialogue box to manage repos, it rather relaods whenever i click manager repos
[07:41] <cryingtux> ! paste
[07:42] <cryingtux> HollowPoint: http://paste.ubuntu.com/42088/
[07:51]  * HollowPoint is looking
[07:53] <HollowPoint> have you tried to run apt-get update again afterwards? As for opening the Manage Repositories dialogue it doesn't open at all? Just refreshes the main dialogue?
[07:54] <HollowPoint> you may need to run apt-get upgrade adept (With the Adept Manager closed of course or you won't get a lock)
[08:21] <romunov> any tips on how to install dev 3.0 version on kubuntu?
[08:21] <HollowPoint> dev 3.0
[08:21] <HollowPoint> ?
[08:22] <dwidmann> romunov: ??
[08:25] <romunov> oops, sorry. crude copy/paste
[08:25] <romunov> i'm trying to install the dev version of open office on kubuntu
[08:25] <romunov> i'm reading the forum and they suggest i remove the current openoffice
[08:25] <romunov> which i hesitate to do, because i need it
[08:25] <romunov> i would just like to try it alongside 2.4
[08:26] <romunov> i downloaded the .tar.gz file and extracted it to a directory
[08:26] <dwidmann> Umm, if you're working with the source, you could just install it to a different prefix (ie: /opt or /usr/local/bin)
[08:26] <romunov> now i only have 3 directories (one with .deb) and an update file
[08:26] <dwidmann> Umm, yeah, might be easiest to install side by side if you do it from source.
[08:27] <romunov> ok, i don't have time to learn that right now
[08:27] <romunov> back to the report!
[08:38] <dr_Willis> !grub
[09:01] <dominique> yo
[09:07] <HollowPoint> oy
[09:07] <HollowPoint> :D
[09:07]  * kuresuna falls over while carrying a cup of coffee
[09:08] <kuresuna> damn...
[09:13] <Sbucatino> how could i upgrade to intrepid ?
[09:13] <Sbucatino> i have seen how to for gutsy-->hardy
[09:13] <Sbucatino> but ?
[09:13] <Sbucatino> doesn't work
[09:15] <stdin> Sbucatino: upgrading to intrepid isn't supported until it's releases, but you can ask in #ubuntu+1 (make sure to read the topic in there though)
[09:20] <HollowPoint> Not sure I'd advise upgrading to intrepid at all atm on a production box.
[09:21] <HollowPoint> I'm tempted to do it in a VM though :D
[09:54] <bluEzz_Nept> Need help..I am actually novice to ubuntu platform..I was using kopete to access Yahoo and MSN bt now it has crashed..Is there any other softwares to access these messengers in UBUNTU.
[09:55] <stdin> !im
[09:55] <bluEzz_Nept> ..actually inbuilt kopete has crashed..
[09:55] <stdin> you can try pidgin if you want
[09:56] <_Angelus_> NOO
[09:56] <bluEzz_Nept> okiee..thank u guzz..I will try dat.
[09:56] <_Angelus_> GTK is a demon
[09:56] <_Angelus_> bluEzz_Nept:  try aMSN :D
[09:56] <bluEzz_Nept> thanks Angelus..
[09:56] <_Angelus_> its the best around
[09:56] <_Angelus_> its the most feature rich msn messenger
[09:57] <_Angelus_> offline messanging... webcams.. sound clips
[09:57] <_Angelus_> everything ;p
[09:57] <stdin> you think GTK is bad but like Tk/Tcl? wow
[09:58] <_Angelus_> ;p
[09:58] <_Angelus_> stdin: actually its the only tk/tcl prog i use
[09:59] <_Angelus_> because its the best around its better then windows live messenger the way it works stable and fast
[09:59] <stdin> it's probably one of the only ones left
[09:59] <_Angelus_> and its has more features then kopete and pidgin and has a cannabis theme
[09:59] <_Angelus_> but if in future kopete will come as good as aMSN, then i will start using kopete probably
[10:00] <tuxx> which IM can show, what kind of client is user having?
[10:02] <HollowPoint> tuxx trillian does that, is proprietary though and can't remember if they do a Linux version
[10:02] <tuxx> i know that QIP can show it too but i cant get it work in *buntu
[10:03] <HollowPoint> tbf I have a LOT of problems with tk/tcl but aMSN is by far the best MSN client on Linux
[10:04] <_Angelus_> true HollowPoint true :)
[10:04] <_Angelus_> actually.. its alsa the best MSN client on MacOSx HollowPoint
[10:04] <tuxx> i dont use MSN...i dont know anybody around me using it
[10:04] <_Angelus_> *also
[10:04] <HollowPoint> I did have aMSN installed directly from the installer but then it screwed up, couldn't fix it, so resorted to installing through adept again
[10:05] <HollowPoint> my system is due for a fresh load soon anyway, as soon as Intrepid comes out that is :D
[10:06] <tuxx> guys :-) i installed extremetuxracer but when it asks me to press any key to continue, it shuts down. Any idea? :-)
[10:07] <HollowPoint> did you install it through adept?
[10:07] <tuxx> Add/Remove Programs
[10:07] <tuxx> i think its adept
[10:07] <HollowPoint> yeah, so you get the menu screen, it asks you to press any key, you press a key and it crashes?
[10:08] <tuxx> exactly :-)
[10:08] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmm
[10:08] <HollowPoint> I hate to say it but you may find a Windows fix is required
[10:08] <tuxx> what kind of fix?
[10:08] <HollowPoint> Windows Fix
[10:08] <HollowPoint> aka Reboot
[10:09] <tuxx> lol :-) ok i try
[10:09] <HollowPoint> :P
[10:09] <tuxx> brb
[10:09] <HollowPoint> k
[10:12] <HollowPoint> wb tuxx
[10:12] <tuxx> :-) after reboot nothing changed
[10:12] <HollowPoint> lol damn, was worth a try
[10:13] <tuxx> but first time i started the game, it let me see menu
[10:13] <HollowPoint> have you tried "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" in the command line? May just be you're missing some important updates in other programs that tuxracer relies on
[10:13] <corigo> Sorry, blanking on the name of the popular GUI HTML editors... Can anyone jar my memory
[10:13] <HollowPoint> bluefish
[10:14] <tuxx> ehm :-) how can i paste text in console? CTRL+SHIFT+V is not working :-)
[10:15] <HollowPoint> right click the mouse in the console window and use paste in the drop down menu
[10:15] <tuxx> aha :-) thx
[10:15] <HollowPoint> lol
[10:15] <tuxx> lol...now i see...SHIFT+Insert :-)
[10:16] <bluEzz_Nept> I tried to install amsn_0.97 bt it's extension is deb..how to install it..
[10:16] <stdin> bluEzz_Nept: use adept/apt-get
[10:16] <bluEzz_Nept> ./amsn_0.97 doesn't work..
[10:16] <bluEzz_Nept> okiee..
[10:16] <dr_Willis> !info amsn
[10:16] <HollowPoint> you can simply click on a .deb file and it will open adept to install it
[10:17] <dr_Willis> .97 is in the package manager/repos ...  it seems..
[10:17] <HollowPoint> it is indeed
[10:17] <dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install amsn
[10:17] <HollowPoint> if he has the .deb file he can just click on the file to install it
[10:17] <HollowPoint> adept will open it up
[10:17] <bluEzz_Nept> it says dependency is not satisfiable..
 I tried the way u explained..
[10:18] <HollowPoint> in that case just use the sudo apt-get install amsn
[10:18] <bluEzz_Nept> but I am getting the error: Dependency is not satisfiable libsnack2
[10:18] <HollowPoint> and it will download everything from the repos
[10:18] <bluEzz_Nept> okiee.
[10:18] <tuxx> even reinstall of extremetuxracer didnt resolve that problem
[10:19] <dr_Willis> do a 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' then try 'sudo  apt-get install amsn'
[10:19] <dr_Willis> when in doubt 'update/upgrade/try again'
[10:19] <HollowPoint> seems something else is causing extremetuxracer to c lose tuxx
[10:20] <HollowPoint> dr_Willis I usually have a look to see if there are any better repos for the program I want as well
[10:20] <HollowPoint> i.e. installing the latest version of Wine requires a special repo etc
[10:20] <HollowPoint> same applies to amsn and many other programs
[10:20] <tuxx> but i dunno what is it...first time i started game, it showed me menu. I set language and when i wanted to set some display issues, it crashed
[10:21] <HollowPoint> seems maybe you'll need to completely remove it instead of just apt-get remove, if it leaves details behind on the remove it will keep them when re-installed and most likely graphical settings will cause it to crash
[10:22] <tuxx> removed...now i try installation again
[10:23] <HollowPoint> when you say removed you did what?
[10:23] <HollowPoint> apt-get remove extremetuxracer?
[10:23] <tuxx> apt-get remove extremetuxracer
[10:23] <HollowPoint> all that does is remove the binary file and de-selects the package
[10:23] <HollowPoint> you need to do apt-get purge extremetuxracer
[10:24] <tuxx> done...you think its completly removed now?
[10:24] <HollowPoint> after the purge I would do "apt-get clean" "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" then finally "apt-get install extremetuxracer"
[10:24] <alfio> ciao a tutti
[10:24] <alfio> come va
[10:24] <alfio> ?
[10:25] <tuxx> ok...trying...please wait :-)
[10:25] <HollowPoint> np
[10:26] <tuxx> installed...now have your fingers crossed :-)
[10:27] <HollowPoint> lol
[10:27] <tuxx> hell no :-(
[10:27] <HollowPoint> damn
[10:27] <tuxx> some config files have to be hidden somewhere cuz my language was set already
[10:27] <HollowPoint> ok well if you open up dolphin
[10:28] <HollowPoint> go to your home directory
[10:28] <tuxx> and when a saw Stlacte lubovolnu klavesu a know its bad :-)
[10:28] <HollowPoint> then go to view and show hidden files, does it have a directory called .extremetuxracer?
[10:29] <tuxx> nothing like that is in my home dir
[10:29] <tuxx> but...
[10:29] <tuxx> there is .etracer
[10:30] <HollowPoint> that'll be the one then
[10:30] <tuxx> yep it is...so purge again and remove this dir?
[10:30] <HollowPoint> so if you do "apt-get purge extremetuxracer", then delete that directory in console by typing
[10:30] <tuxx> copy that...
[10:30] <HollowPoint> "cd /home/yourname/"
[10:30] <stdin> HollowPoint: or just "cd"
[10:31] <HollowPoint> and "rm -rF .etracer" (Be VERY carefull with this last command, do NOT put a space between the . and etracer)
[10:31] <HollowPoint> indeed stdin
[10:31] <HollowPoint> I like to be a stickler though
[10:32] <tuxx> it says: rm: invalid option -- F
[10:32] <HollowPoint> shortcuts in the command line are to me a VERY bad idea lol, especially if you're not working in the command line yourself, you end up in the wrong directory and you've got problems, plus you never know how someone else may have their bash profile, if you define an ultimate path you can't be wrong
[10:32] <HollowPoint> sorry tux "rm -fR .etracer"
[10:33] <HollowPoint> I hit shift on the wrong letter :(
[10:33] <tuxx> aha ok np :-)
[10:33] <stdin> if someone changed $HOME in their bash profile, then it wouldn't matter anyway
[10:33] <tuxx> deleted :-) now installation again
[10:33] <HollowPoint> indeed tuxx
[10:34] <HollowPoint> stdin valid point none the less
[10:36] <tuxx> YEAH!! working :-) thx a lot
[10:36] <tuxx> but i have 6,5 fps...so its unplayable :-(
[10:37] <HollowPoint> ouch
[10:38] <HollowPoint> what drivers are you using for your graphics?
[10:38] <tuxx> i dunno...i have integrated intel
[10:39] <HollowPoint> laptop?
[10:39] <tuxx> yep
[10:39] <HollowPoint> HP?
[10:39] <tuxx> lenovo
[10:39] <HollowPoint> fair enough
[10:39] <HollowPoint> IBM then basically
[10:39] <HollowPoint> 945GM?
[10:39] <tuxx> 910
[10:39] <HollowPoint> ah :(
[10:40] <tuxx> its not good for games but once a week in a free time...
[10:40] <HollowPoint> probably not good enough to run 3d GLX needed for extremetuxracer without tweaking the graphics down in the game
[10:40] <vassili> #ubuntu-ru
[10:41] <tuxx> there arent any settings for graphics except resolution, shadows etc...
[10:41] <HollowPoint> yeah well shadows use a lot of GPU
[10:41] <HollowPoint> resolution also has an effect, the lower you set the res the faster your FPS will be (Typically speaking of course), however it will look shit
[10:42] <karname> hello , i was a problem in kubuntu , when i try to setup a program , adept show a message , what shuold i do ?
[10:42] <tuxx> but thats no problem...im more happy its working :-)
[10:42] <tuxx> i learn something new and thats more important as to play some game for kids :-)
[10:42] <Nyad> hi. when is the next version of kubuntu coming out?
[10:43] <tuxx> really thx a lot for help :-)
[10:43] <HollowPoint> np tuxx
[10:43] <dr_Willis> new release about every 6 mo.. 8.04 was latest.. so  8.10 (10th month)
[10:43] <HollowPoint> karname what is the error?
[10:43] <dr_Willis> Unless its delayed
[10:43] <HollowPoint> it'll be out
[10:43] <HollowPoint> bugs and all
[10:45] <Sonderborg> Hello
[10:45] <Nyad> thanks
[10:45] <nomad111> !ntfs
[10:45] <Sonderborg> I got a problem connecting to windows using remote desktop
[10:46] <Sonderborg> I would assume that it worked out of the box on unbuntu - is that correct or do you need to install some extra software?
[10:47] <HollowPoint> you need to type in console "sudo apt-get install rdesktop tsclient"
[10:47] <HollowPoint> then look in your KMenu > Internet and you'll see "Terminal Server Client" Use that to connect via RDP to a Windows box
[10:48] <HollowPoint> there is always krdp but I don't like it, tsclient is much more "Windows-like"
[10:50] <Sonderborg> Excellent it works - Thank you HollowPoint
[10:50] <HollowPoint> np Sonderborg
[10:52] <corigo> Any one know an app that can open ai Adobe Illustrator files?
[10:52] <corigo> or EPS
[10:53] <HollowPoint> interesting question
[10:53] <HollowPoint> you on Mac or Linux?
[10:54] <corigo> this is Kubuntu chat, eh. Kubuntu
[10:54] <HollowPoint> indeed but sometimes people do come in here asking for help on Macs lol
[10:54] <HollowPoint> thought I'd ask before wasting time
[10:55] <HollowPoint> as for opening adobe illustrator files I don't know of a Linux program that will do that. Have you googled it?
[10:57] <corigo> HollowPoint: I'm so sick of Google. Tired of filtering throught the #$%^& links. It's time for a new search leader
[10:58] <HollowPoint> Xara and Incscape seem to be capable of it from the first link in Google
[10:59] <HollowPoint> sorry Inkscape
[11:10] <skinnymg1> hello
[11:12] <HollowPoint> hi skinnymg1
[11:12] <skinnymg1> whats the off topic channel address
[11:13] <HollowPoint> #kubuntu-offtopic as it says at the top of the room?
[11:41] <bilal> i cant install my .deb files by double clicking the, it instead opens it with Ark. What to do???
[11:41] <ForgeAus> uh, right click them instead
[11:42] <bilal> wat after right clicking them????
[11:42] <ForgeAus> or change file associations (in browser settings mimetypes) ... from system-settings and/or kcontrol
[11:42] <ForgeAus> whats in the list
[11:42] <bilal> the problem started when i installed kde4 from synaptics
[11:42] <ForgeAus> I'll let you in on a little secret... .deb files are actually ar archives :)
[11:42] <bilal> m using kubuntu 8.04 64bit
[11:43] <ForgeAus> synaptics? (generally its a touchpad driver) or the synaptic package manager ?
[11:43] <ForgeAus> because synaptic shouldn't be much different from Adept...
[11:43] <ForgeAus> 8.04? thats hardy right?
[11:43] <bilal> yeah hardy
[11:44] <ForgeAus> ok no problem
[11:44] <bazhang> dpkg -i pkg.deb
[11:45]  * ForgeAus shrugs 
[11:45] <bilal> i knw this dpkg method but i shud also work by double clicking
[11:45] <bazhang> !info gdebi
[11:45] <ForgeAus> bilal its a fauly file-association thats causing your issue
[11:45] <ForgeAus> yeah install gdebi :)
[11:45] <stdin> gdebi should be pre-installed
[11:45] <ForgeAus> sudo apt-get install gdebi
[11:45] <bilal> but g debi shud be for gnomw
[11:46] <bilal> gnome
[11:46] <bilal> and i am using kde
[11:46] <ForgeAus> no
[11:46] <ForgeAus> uh is there a kdebi? not that I know of!
[11:46] <ForgeAus> gdebi works fine in kde
[11:46] <stdin> gdebi is a backend with a GTK and a KDE frontend
[11:46] <stdin> gdebi-kde
[11:47] <bilal> leme install it now
[11:47] <bilal> then i willl tell you
[11:47] <ForgeAus> ahh stdin that must be the one I was running, didn't realize it was gdebi-kde tho...
[11:47] <ForgeAus> (just showed up as gdebi)
[11:47] <cryingtux> hello
[11:48] <stdin> there's gdebi-core, gdebi (GTK) and gdebi-kde (KDE)
[11:48] <ForgeAus> bilal kubuntu should have installed GTK for you anyway...
[11:48] <ForgeAus> so even if gdebi is gnome (more likely GTK only instead of all of gnome) its ok
[11:48] <bilal> gdebi-kde was not installed and i am installing it now
[11:48] <stdin> kubuntu dose not install GTK by default, that would be insanity
[11:50] <ForgeAus> stdin? uh? Kubuntu by default supports both QT and GTK apps
[11:50] <ForgeAus> (not GNOME + KDE only KDE, but GTK + QT)
[11:50] <bilal> what is gtk and qt
[11:51] <cryingtux> ! paste
[11:51] <vassili> #ubuntu-ru
[11:51] <ForgeAus> essentially the widgets (dialog controls, etc) that programs use
[11:51] <stdin> ForgeAus: the gtk would not be installed though, if it were then the Qt libraries should be installed in gnome by default
[11:51] <ForgeAus> Qt is what KDE is based on and GTK is what Gnome is based on
[11:52] <ForgeAus> stdin I guess they are in Ubuntu-desktop (but no KDE, just QT)
[11:52] <stdin> default ubuntu install does not come with Qt
[11:53] <ForgeAus> brb I'll find out for you
[11:53] <stdin> ok :)
[11:53] <LjL> is there a reliable konversation 1.1 package available somewhere?
[11:53] <bilal> can some one tell me a good p2p software for downloading movies?????????
[11:55] <bazhang> bilal, archive.org
[11:55] <stdin> LjL: not in hardy afaik
[11:55] <LjL> !p2p > bilal    (bilal, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:55] <LjL> stdin: no, i guess not, but i could live with a third-party package that's known good...
[11:56] <fenix> como entro a conales en español??????????
[11:56] <LjL> !es | fenix
[11:56] <fenix> me pueden ayudar????
[11:56] <LjL> fenix: /join #ubuntu-es
[11:56] <LjL> o /join #kubuntu-es
[11:58] <fenix> gracias
[11:59] <kuresuna> !id
[12:07] <jon__> Morning, wonder if anyone can help with an XChat problem. Everything's working except for the Interface Colours (changes the colour of channel names depending on actions performed in them - red for new messages etc). Cheers.
[12:23] <fenix> tes
[12:51] <Sbucatino> hello anyone can listen this page
[12:51] <Sbucatino> with konqueror?
[12:51] <Sbucatino> http://www.englishlistening.com/startListeningNow.do
[12:56] <vril> /
[13:00] <hyper_ch> hmmm, I can't get tork to run correctly... it always complains about tor being running and then asks if I want to pass config to tor and when I press yes, it then says that tork tried to pass an invalid config to tor...
[13:04] <ahmos>  hi , i just installed emerald but i can't change window decoration with it ..any help?
[13:21] <rusineck> #join jezus
[13:21] <rusineck> #jezus
[14:03] <rexx> hi all
[14:03] <rexx> have a problem mounting blank dvds
[14:04] <rexx> tried two drives (on of them brand new) and both read dvds
[14:04] <rexx> but cannot mount a blank dvd
[14:04] <rexx> dmesg | tail
[14:04] <rexx> [ 1286.728670] cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!
[14:05] <rexx> and if try to mount as iso9660 gives
[14:05] <rexx> [  506.973534] attempt to access beyond end of device
[14:05] <rexx> [  506.973542] sr0: rw=0, want=68, limit=4
[14:05] <rexx> [  506.973547] isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sr0, iso_blknum=16, block=16
[14:08] <KRF> !opera
[14:13] <cody> Hey all... I am using kubuntu hardy heron on my eeepc 901 20GB and am having problems connecting to WEP networks. when I put in the passphrase in network manager it just hangs on configuring device 28% and then says that it failed, I'm sure I had the key right as well. Any suggestions?
[14:14] <Tenzer> MAC filtering in the AP?
[14:23] <msnbot> I have problme with samba. i gave share to a volume. Its not read only. But I cant write from my windows machine. I need to share it with write permission
[14:25] <Dragnslcr> Check the permissions on the directory
[14:26] <msnbot> Dragnslcr:  this is an NTFS volume
[14:26] <msnbot> its 777 by default
[14:27] <msnbot> this is what I have writen in smb.conf
[14:27] <msnbot> [TRAX]
[14:27] <msnbot> path = /media/DISK3
[14:27] <msnbot> guest ok = yes
[14:27] <msnbot> read only = no
[14:27] <msnbot> writable = yes
[14:27] <msnbot> :p   sorry
[14:32] <anderson> brazukas
[14:32] <anderson> na áre
[14:35] <msnbot> anderson:  go to localized channel
[14:36] <cody> Tenzer: No, I don't believe that it is mac filtering, because my friend with the mac got onto the network just fine (it is a hotel connectin btw)
[14:37] <Geggele> hello
[14:37] <Geggele> i will in gernman forum
[14:37] <mrksbrd> is there a way to have just kde 3 apps show up under v3 & kde apps show up just under v4?
[14:37] <Geggele> my first time here
[14:37] <Geggele> can me help one person
[14:38] <starenka> with?
[14:38] <Geggele> german forum
[14:38] <favfro> !de
[14:38] <starenka> 1de
[14:38] <starenka> bump
[14:39] <Geggele> thx
[14:39] <starenka> !cz
[14:39] <starenka> lol
[14:41] <gigabz666> I don't know if someone can help me, but I've been googling this little problem for awhile now. I'm using Konversation at the moment, and I've found that if I type past the character limit, I get no warning but other people are getting messages cut off. Is there anything I can do to get it to warn me or automatically split up the message?
[14:42] <forge_> giga not that I know of
[14:43] <gigabz666> Ahh, ok. Thanks anyway Forge
[14:43] <ForgeAus> hehe X-Chat just dumps the characters as soon as the buffer gets full ...
[14:43] <ForgeAus> mIRC cuts them off too
[14:44] <mrksbrd> is there a way to have just kde 3 apps show up under v3 & kde apps show up just under v4?
[14:44] <ForgeAus> but I think when you see your line repeated back at you see where its chopped I think
[14:44] <gigabz666> I heard X-Chat was supposed to split it for you, but it didn't work. Maybe a Windows feature only, lol
[14:45] <ForgeAus> mrksbrd good question ask in #kde or #Kubuntu-kde4
[14:45] <mrksbrd> ok ty
[14:45] <ForgeAus> nah its not windows only its client only
[14:45] <ForgeAus> you can use mirc in linux anyway
[14:45] <ForgeAus> (via wine)
[14:45] <tortoisehead> after dealing with the infamous "offline mode" error in firefox by editing the messages dbus sends
[14:45] <ForgeAus> but I think kvirc might be a better choice
[14:45] <gigabz666> Just a little frustrating, when you type a long message and people don't get it, so you end up having to repeat the message
[14:45] <tortoisehead> i now find that firefox takes about 10 minutes to start up
[14:46] <tortoisehead> a lot of applications do the whole blinking startup thing and then disappear from the public eye until they decide randomly to pop up at odd moments
[14:46] <tortoisehead> any takers?
[14:46] <ForgeAus> I have so many firefox extensions it takes 10 mins or more to start up anyway!
[14:46] <tortoisehead> i don't have any!
[14:46] <tortoisehead> haha
[14:47] <tortoisehead> i tried installing opera instead, but that just hung and ate 100% of my cpu
[14:47] <mefisto__> tortoisehead: what did you do to deal with the error? I had this problem, but it resolved itself, presumable after an update
[14:47] <ForgeAus> tortise wait for qtfirefox :)
[14:47] <tortoisehead> i'm pretty sure i edited a config file for dbus
[14:47] <tortoisehead> which told the system not to worry about networkmanager (which i uninstalled long ago)
[14:48] <tortoisehead> i'd settle for getting everything back to defaults at present
[14:48] <mefisto__> tortoisehead: have you tried creating a new firefox profile?
[14:48] <darcy> i'm trying to install kubuntu on my wife's computer and after a successful install, the reboot message says that it cannot find the harddrive - any ideas
[14:48] <tortoisehead> it's been a while
[14:48] <tortoisehead> just rename the .firefox folder?
[14:49] <tortoisehead> and then let it recreate one?
[14:49] <damianos> what do you exactly mean ?
[14:49] <mrksbrd> tortoisehead: there is a know bug in ff3 that pertains to network manager which causes "offline" mode
[14:49] <tortoisehead> well, since networkmanager is uninstalled
[14:49] <tortoisehead> and it's still happening
[14:49] <tortoisehead> i read the bug reports
[14:49] <tortoisehead> which i think is where i got the fix for dbus
[14:50] <tortoisehead> is the bug absent in firefox2?
[14:50] <mefisto__> tortoisehead: start firefox from terminal or alt-F2, with "firefox -ProfileManager" and from there you can create a new profile. if that works, you can delete the bad profile and use a new fresh one
[14:50] <mrksbrd> i believe so....yea the dbus fix is the only one I know of
[14:50] <tortoisehead> will that delete bookmarks?
[14:51] <tortoisehead> i'm guessing i should move them out
[14:51]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[14:51] <darcy> can anyone help me on my install problem
[14:52] <mefisto__> tortoisehead: yes, you would lose your bookmarks, saved passwords, etc. there are firefox extensions that could help. look at foxmarks for your bookmarks
[14:52] <tortoisehead> i'm wondering if the dbus fix is what's responsible for other apps taking forever to start up
[14:52] <rabindra> hey i get this error while closing a dolphin window.. any help?
[14:52] <rabindra> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/rabindra/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[14:53] <mefisto__> rabindra: and is the disk full?
[14:53] <Dragnslcr> rabindra- check the owner on that directory
[14:54] <tortoisehead> huh, don't have any bookmarks anywaty
[14:54] <tortoisehead> back in two minutes
[14:55] <rabindra> mefisto__: no the disk is not full
[14:55] <tortoisehead> could the disk for root be full?
[14:55] <tortoisehead> rabindra: did you install root and /home to separate partitions
[14:55] <tortoisehead> ?
[14:55] <rabindra> tortoisehead: ya
[14:55] <selje> i ask here instead. i have a problem with my ATI Radeon 2900 XT card. Does anyone know how to configure this correctly?
[14:56] <mefisto__> rabindra: then what Dragnslcr said, check which user owns that file/directory
[14:56] <ForgeAus> selje you need a kext or driver for it google can probably tell you where..
[14:57] <tortoisehead> still waiting for firefox to load
[14:57] <tortoisehead> ahha
[14:57] <selje> kext?
[14:57] <rabindra> Dragnslcr: i am the owner of the d3lphin directory
[14:57] <selje> i have a driver for it.... i think
[14:58] <ForgeAus> mac drivers are kexts right?
[14:58] <ForgeAus> d3lphin like as in kde filemanager?
[14:59] <selje> i use gnome....but i didnt get a good answer in #ubuntu
[14:59] <selje> but under Device Driver it says: ATI accelrate graphicdriver
[15:00] <tortoisehead> firefox hung on the delete/create/rename profile screen
[15:00] <tortoisehead> i just deleted the mozilla folder in home and am hoping that will help
[15:02] <veritas_> weird it seems like the scroll speed for shift+scroll is ok, but just scrolling by itself is still laggy  (KDE4.1)
[15:03] <tortoisehead> yeah, firefox still hangs at the user profile screen
[15:03] <ForgeAus> oops worng channel selje hehe for ati drivers go here
[15:03] <ForgeAus> !ati
[15:04] <tortoisehead> mefisto: still hangs on the create new profile screen
[15:04] <mrksbrd> tortoisehead: did you try removing the whole app & re-installing?
[15:04] <tortoisehead> yes
[15:04] <tortoisehead> it's a fresh install of firefox 3
[15:05] <tortoisehead> i didn't remove all of the dependencies
[15:05] <mrksbrd> hhrrrmmmm
[15:05] <tortoisehead> but i could try that too
[15:05] <mefisto__> tortoisehead: if you've removed the .mozilla directory, you can just start firefox normally and it will make a new profile on startup
[15:05] <tortoisehead> alright
[15:05] <mrksbrd> try sudo apt-autoremove firefox
[15:05] <mrksbrd> think that's the command
[15:05] <tortoisehead> any reason for using autoremove instead of the other way?
[15:06] <tortoisehead> just regular remove, i guess
[15:06] <mrksbrd> autoremove should remove all dependencies as well
[15:06] <mefisto__> apt-autoremove is not a valid command, afaik
[15:07] <tortoisehead> i wasn't aware of this ability
[15:07] <tortoisehead> does synaptic have something similar?
[15:07] <mrksbrd> try sudo apt-get autoremove firefox then
[15:07] <mefisto__> there is apt-get autoremove, which will remove unneeded packages
[15:07] <tortoisehead> it's working its magic
[15:08] <tortoisehead> alright, now try reinstalling regularly?
[15:08] <mefisto__> removing and reinstalling has never helped me in linux. sometimes it can fix windows problems
[15:09] <tortoisehead> is firefox a gtk app still?
[15:10] <mefisto__> yep
[15:10] <tortoisehead> alright
[15:10] <tortoisehead> it seems most of the things that don't quite work right are gtk apps
[15:10] <tortoisehead> the ones that decide to start half an hour later, if at all, i mean
[15:13] <mrksbrd> there must be some other conflict then i'm guessing
[15:13] <tortoisehead> do most apps have a debug mode?
[15:13] <tortoisehead> if you start them from the command line?
[15:15] <mrksbrd> look in adept search firefox...think i saw something in there
[15:15] <tortoisehead> adept is a nightmare itself...
[15:15] <tortoisehead> haha
[15:15] <tortoisehead> crashing in the middle of an upgrade and then requiring several removals of locks and various broken pacakges
[15:15] <mefisto__> tortoisehead: apt-cache search <searchterm>
[15:15] <tortoisehead> ok
[15:16] <tortoisehead> zynaddsubfx, whcih also doesn't work
[15:16] <tortoisehead> appears to use xml
[15:16]  * mrksbrd thinks tortoisehead should just reinstall
[15:16] <tortoisehead> i'm wondering if the problem is there
[15:16] <tortoisehead> well, i'd rather suffer without firefox than go through a reinstall
[15:16] <mrksbrd> sounds like u have a lot of underlying issues though
[15:16] <tortoisehead> yes
[15:17] <tortoisehead> it might be worth noting that this install started out as a dapper fluxbuntu install
[15:17] <mrksbrd> to me ....just easier to re-install then trying to figure all of them out
[15:17] <tortoisehead> since that was the only disc lying around at the time
[15:17] <mrksbrd> hmmmm
[15:17] <tortoisehead> well, often it's only one or two issues that matter
[15:18] <tortoisehead> i've got everything else working except firefox and the other crashing apps
[15:18] <tortoisehead> plus mucking around in the guts of it is supposed to be fun, right?
[15:18] <tortoisehead> haha
[15:18] <mrksbrd> bet thats the problem
[15:18] <mrksbrd> lol......ummmmmmmm no.
[15:19] <tortoisehead> i couldn't burn a good disc of (k)ubuntu at the time
[15:19] <tortoisehead> so the ancient fluxbuntu disc won out
[15:19] <tortoisehead> this desktop is cursed
[15:19] <ForgeAus> hehe flux isn't so bad
[15:19] <ForgeAus> simple but lacks many of kde's features
[15:19] <mrksbrd> my guess there is still some things that dapper is running that is conflicting with more modern progs
[15:20] <tortoisehead> well, i am fine with fluxbox
[15:20] <mefisto__> tortoisehead: you might also want to try creating a new user and see if the problems are to do with user settings. if everything is ok with a new user, you'll know it's some setting left over from dapper, etc
[15:20] <tortoisehead> just not with fluxbuntu
[15:20] <tortoisehead> i hadn't thoguht of that...
[15:20] <tortoisehead> not a bad idea
[15:20] <ForgeAus> why don't you just use a dist-upgrade then?
[15:21] <tortoisehead> well, it's currently dist-upgraded to hardy
[15:21] <mefisto__> tortoisehead: so you're still running dapper? or you've upgraded the dapper install?
[15:21] <tortoisehead> no no no
[15:21] <tortoisehead> haha
[15:21] <mefisto__> ok
[15:21] <tortoisehead> good god no
[15:21] <tortoisehead> everything should be up to date
[15:22] <ForgeAus> tortise then install kubuntu-desktop
[15:22] <mrksbrd> not if you didn't run dist upgrade
[15:22] <tortoisehead> i did long ago
[15:22] <ForgeAus> set let it set kdm as your default dm and you have kubuntu
[15:22] <ForgeAus> (+ fluxbuntu)
[15:22] <tortoisehead> yes
[15:23] <tortoisehead> that's basically what i did
[15:23] <tortoisehead> the only difference is i removed networkmanager
[15:23] <ForgeAus> hehhe perosnally I get flux + kubuntu + enligthenment)
[15:23] <ForgeAus> oh and windowmaker, forgot about that one
[15:23] <tortoisehead> it's basically stock kubuntu + firefox + ubuntu studio audio (new as of a few days) - network manager
[15:24]  * mrksbrd thinks enlightenment is confusing
[15:24] <tortoisehead> yes
[15:24] <tortoisehead> i agree
[15:24] <tortoisehead> windowmaker is even more confusing though
[15:24] <ForgeAus> well I can't seem to find the standalone vers of engage...
[15:24] <ForgeAus> not if your only in a windowmaker desktop, but if your in flux or kde its kinda, strange yes...
[15:25] <tortoisehead> i tried window maker on debian a while back
[15:25] <ForgeAus> then again so is compiz kinda when your in a kde desktop....
[15:25] <tortoisehead> it's cool-looking
[15:25]  * mrksbrd personally likes project looking glass....but can't get it to install under hardy
[15:25] <tortoisehead> but i'd prefer something simpler or something more like a traditional desktop
[15:25] <ForgeAus> yeah it sits well with debain
[15:25] <ForgeAus> whats project looking glass?
[15:26] <tortoisehead> i've never tried looking glass
[15:26] <mrksbrd> sun java based 3d desktop
[15:26] <tortoisehead> i don't even like compiz though
[15:26] <tortoisehead> simple, reliable and not crashing, that's enough
[15:26] <ForgeAus> I mostly only like the desktop cube and the minimization/maximization animatio nthat rotates the windows :)
[15:27] <tortoisehead> do you find compiz useful?
[15:27] <tortoisehead> i think it's interesting to look at, but it annoys me when i'm using it on my own computer
[15:27] <tortoisehead> the wobbly windows...
[15:27] <ForgeAus> can you tell kate to embed itself into konqui instead of opening separate windows?
[15:27] <ForgeAus> hehe kde4 has wobbly windows, but on both that and compiz they're optional
[15:28] <tortoisehead> i think kde4 is never going to be stable
[15:28] <tortoisehead> haha
[15:28] <tortoisehead> "kde4 is just a preview"
[15:28] <fenix> nadie en español?????????
[15:28] <tortoisehead> "kde 4.1 is still not feature-complete"
[15:28] <mrksbrd> https://lg3d.dev.java.net/lg3d-getting-started.html
[15:29] <tortoisehead> etc.
[15:29] <ForgeAus> I think kde4 WILL be stable eventually but sofar KDE3 > KDE4... give it time
[15:29] <tortoisehead> well, it seems their way of approaching it is very different than for kde3
[15:29] <tortoisehead> they keep projecting the point at which it is "generally usable" further into the future
[15:29] <ForgeAus> unfortunately intrepid is going to make kde4 the default (ie .kde will be kde4) which means your 3.5.9 from Hardy will be upgraded to 4.1.x or so...
[15:29] <ForgeAus> (or maybe 4.2??)
[15:30] <ForgeAus> anyway... personally I'd rather keep kde3 so I'm hoping they have a .kde3 solution
[15:30] <tortoisehead> if they're at 4.2 and still don't think they're stable, i'm going to have my doubts for the project
[15:30] <tortoisehead> they just updated the 3.5 series to .10
[15:30] <mefisto__> and there won't be a kde3 version of intrepid?
[15:30] <ForgeAus> (currently its .kde and .kde4)
[15:31] <ForgeAus> not sure 'll see if I can find out
[15:31] <tortoisehead> if i didn't absolutely detest gnome
[15:31] <tortoisehead> i might consider switching
[15:31] <Daisuke_Ido> tortoisehead: the definition of "generally usable" has changed as linux has made massive gains in popularity.  generally usable used to mean usable by most people, though you'll probably have to tweak some things in config files - today it means "just works", which isn't the case with 4 yet
[15:31] <Black_Monkey> hi, twice now, my computer has just randomly shut off, and I've needed to reinstall my nvidia driver to get X to start :-S
[15:31] <Daisuke_Ido> and have you considered xfce?
[15:31] <tortoisehead> daisuke_ido: i suppose you're right
[15:32] <tortoisehead> xfce is ok
[15:32] <tortoisehead> but i prefer kde apps, so kde it is
[15:32] <YippMN> hey guys just installed kubuntu on a freinds machine , i myself run gentoo , but can't seem to get kppp working for him or figure out how to get adept working , it keeps saying break-install, hmm how do i get all the libs for a package to install
[15:33] <ForgeAus> I agree xfce isn't so bad, but KDE is better imho
[15:33] <Dragnslcr> KDE 4.1 is in good shape. I've been using it for a few weeks now
[15:33] <tortoisehead> i think "just works" is a massive mistake
[15:33] <tortoisehead> just that concept
[15:33] <mrksbrd> adept  or synaptic
[15:33] <Dragnslcr> A few annoyances, but nothing that makes it unusable
[15:33] <ForgeAus> 4.1 is kinda ok but still no kde3.5.9
[15:33] <tortoisehead> if you've been using linux for a while and try using mac or windows
[15:33] <tortoisehead> you'll find lots of huge annoyances
[15:34] <mrksbrd> true that
[15:34] <tortoisehead> i am a compulsive clicker
[15:34] <mrksbrd> lol
[15:34] <tortoisehead> i click on things while waiting for them to load
[15:34] <tortoisehead> and unfortunately kde doesn't seem to recognize my kind
[15:34] <tortoisehead> haha
[15:34] <tortoisehead> gnome does
[15:34] <tortoisehead> you can click all over the place and things won't crash
[15:34] <tortoisehead> if kde 4.1 fixes that
[15:34] <tortoisehead> i'm on board
[15:34] <ForgeAus> Windows isn't THAT annoying, well maybe UAC
[15:34] <ForgeAus> not sure about mac tho
[15:35] <mrksbrd> i don't like GMOME
[15:35] <tortoisehead> using a mac makes me angry
[15:35] <tortoisehead> for aesthetic reasons alone
[15:35] <YippMN> can anyone point me to how to get adept to install a package and not show break-install all the time?
[15:35] <ForgeAus> heeh using ubuntu's default (gnome) themes makes me angry for aesthetic reasons
[15:35] <tortoisehead> yes, as it should
[15:35] <ForgeAus> chocolate brown and orange? who's bright idea was that?
[15:35] <tortoisehead> YippMN: no clue, but we're listening
[15:36] <Daisuke_Ido> tortoisehead: oh, "just works" is a massive mistake, because you can't make it "just work" for everyone.  it works for apple because they have homogenized the hardware, but with an OS and DE like linux and kde, it's a miracle it works on so many different systems at all, let alone as well as it does.
[15:36] <tortoisehead> i agree
[15:36] <tortoisehead> though i'd prefer to have apps that crash less
[15:36] <tortoisehead> over more features
[15:36] <ForgeAus> Daisuke I agree
[15:36] <ForgeAus> althought hey're put alot of work into it to make it do so...
[15:36] <mrksbrd> YippMN: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/17971
[15:37] <YippMN> tortoisehead: ok so i run gentoo on my machine and portage just brings in the dependencies hmm but how do it do that in adept?
[15:37] <ForgeAus> tortoise, depends on the app and how necessary the features are...
[15:37] <tortoisehead> if the app crashes just as you are clicking on that feature
[15:37] <tortoisehead> it's a moot point
[15:37] <tortoisehead> haha
[15:37] <ForgeAus> Yipp run kdesu adept_manager
[15:37] <tortoisehead> a la the prferences button in kazehakase
[15:37] <tortoisehead> i agree though
[15:37] <Dragnslcr> YippMN- Adept will get all dependencies
[15:38] <tortoisehead> YippMN: i will tell you that adept has always given me trouble
[15:38] <Dragnslcr> YippMN- if it says that something will break, it's probably a dependency conflict
[15:38] <ForgeAus> you can expand the packages in there to get a list of dependancies, etc...
[15:38] <ForgeAus> its handy for when a package BREAKS
[15:39] <Dragnslcr> YippMN- two packages require different versions of the same package, or one requires a package that the other conflicts with
[15:39] <tortoisehead> what ar eyou trying to install?
[15:39] <tortoisehead> that will break the install?
[15:39] <ForgeAus> this time I'm not upgrading to hardy from gutsy without using an old kernel
[15:39] <ForgeAus> hehe
[15:39] <ForgeAus> because last time the gutsy kernel wouldn't work with the locales package
[15:39] <mrksbrd> try sudo apt-get update
[15:40] <ForgeAus> (well gusty didn't but the upgrade FROM gutsy to hardy didn't)
[15:40] <mrksbrd> then....sudo apt-get install --fix-missing
[15:40] <mrksbrd> run it from terminal
[15:40] <YippMN> Dragnslcr: well just trying to get things like firefox and xine and to have amao
[15:41] <YippMN> amarok play mp3 it needs ffmpeg lib and they all show bresk hmm, unless i'm not seeing things right
[15:41] <KRF> !codecs | YippMN
[15:43] <ForgeAus> being a mostly windows user I still can't seem to get used to using Ark...
[15:43] <ForgeAus> it does stuff I don't want it to do and I can't seem to get it to do what I do want it to do lol
[15:43] <ForgeAus> gotta change the single clicking policy first of all
[15:44] <YippMN> hmm well shouldn't it be simple to just tell adept manager i want so and so package and it gets it?
[15:45] <tortoisehead> yes
[15:45] <Dragnslcr> YippMN- it is, but you apparently have something weird happening
[15:45] <tortoisehead> but you have to add the repositories for the codecs, most likely
[15:45] <ForgeAus> not quite
[15:46] <Dragnslcr> YippMN- what packages does it say will break?
[15:46] <YippMN> ok so i searched for ffmepg to install it, and in the list i request install and it shows break install , now do i have to somehoe select all the libs and dependencies too?
[15:46] <ForgeAus> I recommend VLC :)
[15:47] <anthonyb7> >HELLO WORLD
[15:47] <anthonyb7> Has any body have fake ap installed ????~?!!!
[15:48] <YippMN> Dragnslcr: every package i can think of that i have on my machine i want to install on my friends machine , like firefox and xine and a few others
[15:48] <anthonyb7> all dont answer at once
[15:49] <YippMN> Dragnslcr: this is a brand new install of kubuntu
[15:49] <tortoisehead> ok
[15:49] <tortoisehead> hmm
[15:49] <YippMN> Dragnslcr: i'm new to kubuntu and adept, i run gentoo on my machine and portage works nice but wanted to have my friend who is new to linux use kubuntu to get used to linux :)
[15:50] <anthonyb7> "ANYBODY" used fake ap before????
[15:51] <Dragnslcr> YippMN- that's really bizarre. Do you have any packages installed that aren't from the repositories?
[15:52] <YippMN> Dragnslcr: well just what was installed with kubuntu
[15:52] <Dragnslcr> Weird
[15:52] <Dragnslcr> What version did you install?
[15:54] <Dragnslcr> Unfortunately I don't know offhand how to see which packages are causing the conflict
[15:54] <mrksbrd> YippMN: did u see the commands I posted earlier?
[15:54] <Dragnslcr> You might try running update and upgrade without installing anything new
[15:54] <YippMN> Dragnslcr:  hmm well just i guess the latest version of kubuntu , i know it's kde 3.5.9 but gotta find where the kubuntu ver is hmm
[15:54] <tortoisehead> it should be hardy
[15:54] <tortoisehead> if it's 3.5.9?
[15:55] <YippMN> tortoisehead: yes it is hardy:)
[15:55] <tortoisehead> hmm
[15:55] <Dragnslcr> I dunno what else to suggest
[15:55] <tortoisehead> can you update and then upgrade?
[15:55] <tortoisehead> you'll have a million packages to upgrade just doing that
[15:55] <ForgeAus> kde3.5.10 is in hardy backports
[15:55] <YippMN> tortoisehead:  you mean in aept manager?
[15:56] <tortoisehead> yes
[15:56] <ForgeAus> but everyone seems to be adamant no kde3 in intrepid :(
[15:56] <tortoisehead> you could try it with apt-get
[15:56] <tortoisehead> sudo apt-get update
[15:56] <tortoisehead> then sudo apt-get upgrade, i believe
[15:56] <mrksbrd> JUST TRY.....sudo apt-get update
[15:57] <YippMN> tortoisehead:  so just hit fetch update
[15:57] <tortoisehead> at least you'll know if it's specific to adept
[15:57] <mrksbrd> then .....sudo apt-get install --fix-missing
[15:57] <Dragnslcr> YippMN- yes
[15:57] <YippMN> ok yup did update a couple times
[15:57] <Dragnslcr> YippMN- then at the bottom of the window it'll say how many packages can be upgrades
[15:58] <Dragnslcr> YippMN- if there any upgrades, the Upgrade button at the top should be active
[15:58] <YippMN> hmm says there was an error dl updates hmmm
[15:59] <tortoisehead> is this in adept or from the command line?
[16:00] <YippMN> in adept, but in cl its saying , Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:01] <tortoisehead> ah
[16:01] <YippMN> and;  Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[16:01] <tortoisehead> well, you have to close adept first
[16:01] <Devourer> Why won't synaptic go away? System monitor says it's a zombie but I still see it.
[16:01] <tortoisehead> if you want to do anything from the command line
[16:01] <YippMN> ahhh makes sence
[16:01] <Dragnslcr> YippMN- might be a problem with your sources file
[16:01] <YippMN> ok cl update went ok
[16:02] <tortoisehead> sudo apt-get install --fix-missing
[16:03] <YippMN> ok 0 on all lists
[16:03] <mrksbrd> run sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:03] <Black_Monkey_> gr my computer just turned off randomly again, and I have to reinstall the nvidia driver to get X to run each time. anyone know how I can fix this?
[16:04] <YippMN> ran upgrade now and says 0 on everything
[16:04] <Devourer> Knotify is taking up all my CPU, how can I fix this?
[16:05] <tortoisehead> when did you download this disc of kubuntu?:
[16:05] <YippMN> so now if i want to install firefox i can just do sudo apt-get firefox?
[16:05] <tortoisehead> apt-get install firefox
[16:05] <tortoisehead> yes
[16:05] <YippMN> couple days ago
[16:06] <tortoisehead> it still seems strange that there are no updates
[16:06] <YippMN> tortoisehead:  says invalid operation firefox :)
[16:06] <tortoisehead> there are ALWAYS updates
[16:06] <tortoisehead> sudo apt-get install firefox
[16:08] <YippMN> ahh yes forgot install in the command , but hmmm says now;
[16:08] <YippMN> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[16:08] <YippMN> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[16:08] <YippMN> is only available from another source
[16:08] <YippMN> However the following packages replace it:
[16:08] <YippMN>   firefox-2
[16:08] <YippMN> E: Package firefox has no installation candidate
[16:08] <YippMN> aaakk sorry
[16:09] <YippMN> damn paste , so this means it wants to see firefox ver 2 maybe or how about ver 3
[16:09] <mrksbrd> for some reason repos are not updating
[16:10] <mrksbrd> try adept again ...search firefox see if you get same break install error
[16:10] <YippMN> but if i just got this two days ago why would there have to be so many updates
[16:11] <mrksbrd> when you install off live cd it just install whatever is needed just to run
[16:11] <YippMN> ahh i see hmm , so what would be the best way to instyall kubuntu
[16:12] <mrksbrd> you have 2 options either cd or dvd versions
[16:12] <mrksbrd> dvd version will have more to it, but will still need to run updates
[16:13] <YippMN> ok did fetchupdate in adept and still not showing any upgrades or anything at the bottom but it did update ok this tyime
[16:15] <mrksbrd> hold on one sec
[16:16] <YippMN> ok now when i search for firefox-2 it shows me that ans also when i search just firefox and click on firefox-2 it shows install now when i do request hmmm
[16:16] <benbread> Hey i'm having trouble with a USB sound card on Kubuntu 8.04 (64bit, i think) - the card is "Asonic External USB2.0 8 Channel Sound Card", it is detected in kmix, the mute and volume buttons work but there is no sound output from the device, reviews of the device say it works under Ubuntu but i can't get it working (ALSA), can anyone help? Thanks :) (PS please put alsoconf back into kubuntu)
[16:17] <teddy_> can someone help me? I installed libsdl-pulse audio when i had -alsa previously, and now sdl apps have no sound. I reinstalled the alsa version and it didn't fix it
[16:17] <YippMN> mrksbrd: ok firfox is istalling now :)
[16:18] <mrksbrd> ok
[16:19] <YippMN> guess i jjsthave to be specific on each package name
[16:20] <mrksbrd> yes
[16:21] <YippMN> so how does adept work when there are a nuber of libs and so on that are neede for say xine
[16:21] <mrksbrd> u can also just typing first few letters
[16:21] <YippMN>  i select xine-ui and it show break
[16:22] <mrksbrd> usually once you select 'request install' it will automatically include dependencies
[16:22] <mrksbrd> that is when you select main package
[16:23] <mrksbrd> let me search for it ....I had same problem b4, forget how i corrected it......give me a few mins
[16:24] <YippMN> in atails for xine-ui , it shows a list of required files , but if i request in stall it shows break yet hmm this shouldn't be this hard
[16:25] <tortoisehead> gotta get going
[16:26] <tortoisehead> thanks to everyone for their patience
[16:26] <mrksbrd> see ya tortoise
[16:26] <tortoisehead> adios
[16:27] <mrksbrd> YippMN: try this then paste it in pastebin....link is on top of page......sudo aptitude install kdm
[16:28] <YippMN> so what should this do then
[16:29] <mrksbrd> will tell you what is needed & not needed
[16:30] <YippMN> mrksbrd: http://rafb.net/p/1zY3IC22.html
[16:31] <YippMN> doesn't look like it did anything
[16:31] <sorin__> salut
[16:34] <mrksbrd> k hold on
[16:35] <sorin__> am probleme cu kununtum
[16:37] <bazhang> !fr | sorin__
[16:37] <sorin__> no speak englis
[16:37] <bazhang> sorin__, /join #kubuntu-fr
[16:39] <mrksbrd> YippMN: try this....sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:40] <benbread> Does anyone know the location of the alsa config file?
[16:40] <mrksbrd> this will repair broken pkgs
[16:40] <sorin__>   ... I welcome a problem .. kubuntum not really know how to do partitile
[16:41] <sorin__> Tuesday who could help
[16:41] <mrksbrd> !es
[16:41] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  ok did that command and didn't see any output
[16:41] <mrksbrd> you won't
[16:42] <mrksbrd> see if u still get error
[16:42] <mrksbrd> !it
[16:44] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  doing apt-get install xine-ui , it shows a lib dependency and says broken paakge and says but thastlib will not be installed
[16:45] <mrksbrd> try from terminal
[16:45] <YippMN> hat was in terminal
[16:45] <mrksbrd> ok
[16:46] <sorin__>   which is the Romanian ubuntum
[16:46] <mrksbrd> but are u still getting break error in adept
[16:46] <mrksbrd> !rm
[16:46] <mrksbrd> !rom
[16:46] <YippMN> romania is RO
[16:46] <sorin__> yes romania
[16:46] <sorin__> yes
[16:46] <mrksbrd> !ro
[16:47] <mrksbrd> ty
[16:47] <sorin__>   do not speak English very well and are in romania
[16:48] <sorin__> Thanks very much
[16:49] <YippMN> hmm this shouldn't be this hard if someone new doesn't know to come here if they are tryig kubuntu , hmm , i should be able to use adept and just have it install xine and not have to pick out all the dependencies right?
[16:49] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  i select gxine or xine-ui thos are the two you need to run xine hmm and they both show break
[16:49] <MachinTrucChose> Hi...can someone tell me if it's possible to only allow a single session per user? It's just too confusing for my parents. I want a more Windows-like behavior, so that user "Bob" can only be logged in once, and if he tries to login again, it resumes his old session instead of starting a new one. If Kubuntu can't do this, can someone recommend another distro that does?
[16:50] <sorin__> are very few users on ro
[16:50] <scifi> hi im having trouble with kdewallet not saving/accepting my password, can someone advise me on this please??
[16:51] <mrksbrd> YippMN: don't know if GENTOO is the same as far as it goes as installs, but I've noticed sometimes U may have to re-install a couple of times to get a perfect install
[16:53] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  well in gentoo you ues portage in command line , and do , emerge -pv xine , and it will show what it will get including all dependencies and then you just take out the -pv which is pretend,verbose, and it installs everything  ":)
[16:53] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  are you saying i need to install kubuntu a couple times?
[16:55] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  hmm when i have adept show details of gxine, it does list package relationships, i guess all the dendent libs and such, so how do i get it to install all the dependencies then
[16:55] <scifi> anyone???
[16:56] <mrksbrd> MachinTrucChuse: what are you looking to do bypass login
[16:58] <mrksbrd> YippMN: that could be a huge list
[16:59] <MachinTrucChose> mrksbrd: no...I just need to ensure that in this multi-user setup, if user Bob had a session, then user Jeff took over the computer and logged in (locking the Bob session), and then when Jeff was finished Bob tried to log in again, that Bob doesn't end up with two different "Bob" sessions.
[16:59] <MachinTrucChose> I'm not talking about resuming sessions in the way Kubuntu means it, but in the way Windows means it. SAME processes, not loading a saved snapshot a second time.
[17:00] <MachinTrucChose> for example, Firefox will not run if Bob already has a different session with Firefox open.  Makes it unusable.
[17:00] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  hmm this silly it shouldn't be this hard to just install some new packages
[17:01] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  so do i need to reinstall kubuntu again to get things working righr?
[17:01] <mrksbrd> YippMN: your right but sometimes the install "burps" & causes future issues.....it really is a good learning platform though
[17:02] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  and another thing hmm , i can't get kppp to work with the hardware modem , hmm i used to use it on my machine before i got dsl
[17:02] <sorin__> plm
[17:02] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  so have you seen this burp on istall before with kubuntu , yeah i agree it should a good distro for my friend to learn on
[17:03] <mrksbrd> MachinTrucChose: it shouldn't because everything with this is user specific
[17:04] <MachinTrucChose> mrk: it says "Firefox is already running."
[17:04] <mrksbrd> Yipp yes seen it a few times myself, would just install a few things...make sure everything looks good then go for it
[17:04] <MachinTrucChose> in any case, I want to reduce confusion. Is it possible or not to make it one-session-per-user.
[17:05] <mrksbrd> it's a pain in the butt, but solves alot of headaches later
[17:05] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  ok thanks guess i'll pop the cd in againand do a niother install , maybe it was cause i had kubuntu loaded running live cd and maybe i should just do install right from the start
[17:06] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  hanks
[17:06] <YippMN> thanks
[17:07] <mefisto__> YippMN: have you tried removing the conflicting packages, then install xine-ui ?
[17:09] <mehmet> yo yo!
[17:11] <mrksbrd> mefisto: i think he also has a few underlying issues as well
[17:11] <mehmet> anyone knows a good website for linux hacking? :)
[17:12] <Black_Monkey_> my computer has randomly turned off 3 times in the past day, and each time I've had to reinstall the nvidia driver to make X start. can anyone help?
[17:18] <mehmet> im newbie on konversation
[17:18] <mehmet> where are the channels man?
[17:18] <mehmet> what are all these ppl doing here?
[17:19] <letalis> linux hacking?
[17:19] <mehmet> je :)
[17:19] <mehmet> tools etc
[17:19] <mehmet> im good at coding and stuff... i ve used ubuntu... now using kubuntu
[17:20] <mehmet> linux is gr8 man! amazin
[17:20] <mehmet> fuck windows
[17:20] <mdik> hacking like programming or like breaking into random networks?
[17:20] <mehmet> now wanna hack som stuff
[17:20] <jpds> !ohmy | mehmet
[17:20] <jpds> mehmet: kernelnewbies.org
[17:20] <mehmet> i know what is hacking
[17:21] <mdik> mehmet: i asked in which sense _you_ meant it
[17:21] <mehmet> like breaking into ppl who downloaded childporn etc
[17:21] <mehmet> also breaking into my ex's :)
[17:21] <jpds> What would be the point of that?
[17:22] <mehmet> which one?
[17:22] <Roey> jpds:  heya
[17:22] <mdik> mehmet, wrong channel...
[17:22] <mehmet> wtf?
[17:22] <jpds> hello Roey
[17:22] <mehmet> ok whateva man
[17:22] <mehmet> teach me this konversation stuff
[17:22] <mehmet> how do i list channels
[17:22] <mehmet> how to subscribe autoconnect etc
[17:23] <Roey> jpds:  your nickname shares letters with "Jewish Private Day School" here in the DC area
[17:23] <letalis> lol
[17:23] <mehmet> lol ^^
[17:23] <jpds> mehmet: /msg Alis help list
[17:23] <Roey> :)
[17:23] <jpds> Roey: So?
[17:23] <mehmet> that is nice thanx
[17:23] <mehmet> jpds
[17:23] <Roey> jpds:  oh, I just thought you were possibly of the DC area
[17:23] <Roey> :P
[17:23] <Roey> jpds:  but anyway!  Heya still :)
[17:24] <mdik> mehmet, if you want to learn more about IRC, press F1 or try using irssi
[17:24] <mrksbrd> !list
[17:24] <mehmet> doh... sry
[17:25] <jpds> mrksbrd: No warez here.
[17:25] <mefisto__> mehmet: window menu, channel list (or press F5
[17:25] <mrksbrd> huh?
[17:25] <mehmet> mefisto thank you so much
[17:25] <mehmet> sry for the spam like text :D
[17:26] <mrksbrd> jpds: where did I refer to warez
[17:26] <bazhang> mrksbrd, you dont
[17:26] <mehmet> that was me :D
[17:27] <bazhang> !piracy > mrksbrd
[17:27] <jpds> mrksbrd: "!list" is used in some channels to list warez.
[17:27] <ForgeAus> hehe the !list command does
[17:27] <mehmet> !list
[17:27] <ForgeAus> perhaps he meant /list ?
[17:27] <ForgeAus> (typo? or habit using ! instead?)
[17:29] <ForgeAus> I guess its also worth noting not ALL file sharing is warez...
[17:29] <mrksbrd> jpds: yes I know, been around here long enough to realize that.....was refering to mehmet asking about channel lists
[17:29] <mehmet> open source is like a good sex, because its better when you do it free XD
[17:29] <jpds> !ot | mehmet
[17:30] <bazhang> mehmet, please take chat elsewhere.
[17:30] <mehmet> gee
[17:30] <mehmet> easy guys...
[17:30] <bazhang> no
[17:30] <bazhang> this is not the chat channel.
[17:30] <mehmet> what are all these ppl doing here then?
[17:30] <mrksbrd> tech issues
[17:31] <bazhang> this is kubuntu support mehmet
[17:31] <mehmet> chating on tech issues?
[17:31] <mrksbrd> not chatting....people helping others resolve issues
[17:31] <phreak-> i seee
[17:32] <phreak-> ok thank you for everything... sorry for any inconvenience
[17:32] <phreak-> peace out guys.
[17:34] <x-X-x> what button is meta?
[17:34] <jpds> x-X-x: the windows key.
[17:34] <x-X-x> k
[17:39] <ForgeAus> if I dist-upgrade to gutsy is there any way I can get fully updated packages instead of having to dist-update then update again?
[17:40] <ForgeAus> sorry dist-upgrade then update to newer package versions
[17:41] <ForgeAus> (still gotta remember to keep an old kernel for the hardy dist-upgrade because the gutsy one doesn't work)
[17:47] <starenka> 'allo: how can i prevent echo to make a newline? f.e here http://pastebin.com/d4bdda70a
[17:48] <KRF> starenka, man echo
[17:50] <starenka> KRF: it support only trailing newline
[17:50] <starenka> KRF: i need also the intiating one
[17:50] <starenka> if you catch my drift
[17:51] <starenka> look @ the paste
[17:51] <KRF> oh
[17:51] <KRF> i dont think that'll work
[17:52] <sorin_> ubuntun-ro
[17:52] <starenka> is there any other way how to concat program outputs with strings (other than echo)?
[17:52] <sorin_> #buntu-ro
[17:53] <starenka> ubuntu-ro
[17:53] <starenka> :))
[17:53] <sorin_> care este ma
[17:53] <starenka> !ro
[17:53] <sorin_> ms
[17:54] <starenka> wha?
[17:54] <KRF> starenka, in python it'd be sys.out.write()
[17:54] <sorin_> tanks
[17:54] <KRF> err, no
[17:54] <starenka> KRF: yep, but .... you know...
[17:54] <KRF> thats java
[17:54] <KRF> ;)
[17:55] <starenka> KRF: i can make it in python, but it looks ridicolous to use python for just running commands and concat strings
[17:55] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  hey i tried to install kubuntu from the start menu of kubuntu , but it seems as if it can't get kdm to run hmm , would it not like an older monitor?
[17:55] <arkara> hello
[17:55] <starenka> KRF: it's print "what"
[17:55] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  or i should say i wanted to install from the first menu that come up , asking to try kubuntu or install
[17:55] <arkara> i need to edit my fstab i order to mount an ntfs partition as a user from both terminal and gui
[17:56] <starenka> arkara: /dev/sda1       /windows/c      ntfs-3g 0       0
[17:57] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  i imagine reinstaling it from the first menu would be better then from running on ther live cd?
[17:57] <starenka> arkara: change sdax and mount path to suit you
[17:58] <arkara> with no options?
[17:58] <mehmet> kardesh external hdd mi calismiyo?
[17:58] <mehmet> flash disk fln hesagbi
[17:58] <sorin_> help mee
[17:58] <mrksbrd> YippMN: yes
[17:58] <bazhang> mehmet, english please
[17:59] <mehmet> ok ok i shut up
[17:59] <mehmet> ppl dont like me
[17:59] <mehmet> language is turkish
[17:59] <mehmet> fyi
[17:59] <bazhang> !tr | mehmet
[17:59] <mrksbrd> !tu
[18:00] <bazhang> mehmet, /join #ubuntu-tr
[18:01] <YippMN> hmmm
[18:01] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  if i selct to install kubuntu from that first menu when the cd boots it gets to staring kdm and stalls hmm doesn't it like an older monitor
[18:02] <mrksbrd> monitor shouldn't have anything to do with it
[18:03] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  well it says starting kdm and something else and then just sits there and the cd spins down after a minute
[18:03] <mrksbrd> you still have ability to d/l an iso?
[18:03] <YippMN> yes i'm useing my dsl modem on this machine
[18:04] <knkd> ы
[18:04] <mrksbrd> download & burn alternate iso of kubuntu
[18:04] <knkd> есть хто живой?
[18:05] <knkd> лю-ю-ю-юди
[18:05] <coreymon77> umm
[18:05] <coreymon77> english please
[18:05] <mehmet> knkd, english please
[18:05] <mrksbrd> alternate is a text based install
[18:05] <knkd> aga
[18:05] <knkd> yess
[18:05] <mehmet> :D
[18:05] <bazhang> !ru | knkd
[18:05] <knkd> !ru
[18:06] <bazhang> knkd, /join #ubuntu-ru
[18:06] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  you want me to instal kubuntu by hand?? oh god no hehe
[18:06] <mrksbrd> YippMN: throw your live cd out the window
[18:06] <knkd> aga uzge
[18:07] <knkd> senks
[18:07] <bazhang> no problem
[18:07] <YippMN> thaqts why i wanted to use the installer for kubuntu , so my friend could do it too if he had to
[18:07] <mrksbrd> it's still easy to do just a few more easy ?'s
[18:07] <mrksbrd> it's easy....trust me
[18:08] <mrksbrd> just not gui based
[18:08] <YippMN> so where do i get the alternate cd
[18:08] <mrksbrd> kubuntu.org
[18:08] <YippMN> akk can't dl it on his maching here theresnow burner :)
[18:08] <mrksbrd> look for alternate iso
[18:08] <mrksbrd> :(
[18:08] <Glady> rampage
[18:09] <Glady> I thought it was what u wanted
[18:09] <mrksbrd> lol....batting a thousand
[18:10] <Glady> I dont understand anything here
[18:10] <mrksbrd> Glady: what are u looking to do?
[18:11] <Glady> nothing
[18:11] <bazhang> Glady, this is kubuntu support; do you have a support question?
[18:11] <Glady> I think I didnt understand anything
[18:11] <slow-motion> hi
[18:12] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  ok i se how i can get the alternate , but gotta go back to my machine and dl and burn it :)) will it work ok installing it that way when i have kubuntu allready installed , i suppose it will format hmm?
[18:13] <mrksbrd> YippMN: yes will do a complete format
[18:13] <YippMN> mrksbrd:  iok tanks :)
[18:13] <mrksbrd> YippMN: don't give up we'll get it working for ya
[18:21] <mefisto__> yippMN is gone?
[18:22] <mefisto__> installing from a usb drive might have been a solution http://clintthewookie.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/installing-kubuntu-from-a-usb-drive/
[18:27] <mrksbrd> lol....his luck he probably didn't have one with him
[18:29] <mano> hey all... how do i configure the kicker to show only current windows instead of all windows in all virtual desktops?
[18:29] <mano> i mean windows in current desktop
[18:29] <PhilRod> mano: right-click on panel->configure panel -> taskbar
[18:30]  * PhilRod thinks that not having the panel config in systemsettings is a mistake
[18:30] <mano> PhilRod, and what would the option be?
[18:31] <mefisto__> mano: the first box
[18:32] <mano> mefisto__, mmmm i dont see any box with what i want to do...
[18:33] <mefisto__> mano: turn off "show windows from all desktops"
[18:33] <mano> i dont have that option... im using spanish is that why?
[18:34] <mefisto__> mano: don't know. are you using kde3?
[18:35] <mano> mefisto__, yes kde3
[18:35] <mefisto__> mano: so what's the first box in the taskbar section in your spanish version?
[18:36] <mano> sort windows alphabetically
[18:36] <azzimut>  hi there! have a problem and need help! ;) i have a Roland Edirol PC-50 keabord and i'd like to play it in ubuntu but i have problems to get it installed properly and also with the sound configuration of my computer... could anyone in here help me?
[18:37] <mano> mefisto__, sort windows alphabetically
[18:39] <mano> mefisto__, no idea?
[18:40] <mefisto__> mano: I'm looking to find where that setting is stored in .kde
[18:40] <mano> mefisto__, ok thanks
[18:45] <lesergi> hi all
[18:45] <lesergi> hi all
[18:45] <lesergi> I want to upgrade from Hardy to Intrepid
[18:46] <lesergi> I've changed hardy to intrepid entries from sources.list
[18:46] <lesergi> doing aptitude full-upgrade will upgrades hardy to intrepid?
[18:47] <mano> mefisto__, ive uninstalled language pack es ill see if now it shows the option
[18:47] <aanderse> is there any reported problems with qt4 in hardy?
[18:48] <mano> mefisto__, where did u tell me that option was?
[18:56] <DarkriftX> is there a way to tell your kicker how many rows to use in your taskbar? i made my kicker large, but it made the buttons smaller trying to fit 3 rows, id like to have 2
[18:58] <knkd> woT fak compilit' pad WeNDu cherez MINGW32 ? bI ?
[19:05] <sorin_> bai
[19:07] <ForgeAus> does k3b handle .MDF files?
[19:07] <mrksbrd> good ?
[19:08] <mrksbrd> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-136762.html
[19:09] <mrksbrd> ForgeAus: should be able to check out that link
[19:12] <ForgeAus> kewl K3B does it treats mdf as an iso... but what of the mds? doesn't quite mention it there
[19:12] <ForgeAus> anyway an .iso is what I want out of it not a physical CD so, should be good enuff for me
[19:13] <mrksbrd> mds is just like a .cue file, don't believe k3b needs it to burn it
[19:14] <mrksbrd> just save it as a data file then
[19:14] <ForgeAus> hehe whats a .cue file? (I've seen them around generally paired with a .bin)
[19:15] <mrksbrd> basically it is like a text file that points to the info under the other file it is associated with
[19:15] <knkd> woT fak compilit' pad WeNDu cherez MINGW32 ? bI ?
[19:16] <knkd> woT Kak compilit' pad WeNDu cherez MINGW32 ? bI ?
[19:16] <mrksbrd> knkd: english please
[19:16] <ForgeAus> mrksbrd you mean like metadata?
[19:16] <knkd> MINGW32 ?
[19:16] <mrksbrd> yea
[19:17] <ForgeAus> great :) that means its extraneous
[19:17] <mrksbrd> knkd: language u speak
[19:17] <knkd> MINGW32 + rtfm 2 me
[19:17] <knkd> mrksbrd: ua_UA ru_RU
[19:18] <mrksbrd> !ua
[19:18] <mrksbrd> !ru
[19:18] <pim> !es
[19:18] <pim> !lo
[19:18] <pim> !io
[19:18] <pim> !ba
[19:18] <pim> !ir
[19:18] <pim> !yu
[19:19] <pim> !qw
[19:19] <pim> !er
[19:19] <pim> !oh
[19:19] <pim> !pl
[19:19] <pim> !ml
[19:19] <LjL> pim: what the hell do you think you're doing
[19:19] <LjL> !botabuse > pim    (pim, see the private message from Ubotu)
[19:20] <knkd> mrksbrd no in  #ubuntu-ru dont halp to me) ;-|
[19:22] <numan> Hi. i'm very very new in linux and i use all my life emule; so what's better emule under wine or amule? thenks
[19:22] <pim> how do I request more info about a package via the command line?
[19:22] <mrksbrd> numan: ktorrent
[19:22] <ForgeAus> hehe you don't need wine just use kmldonkey
[19:23] <ForgeAus> mrksbrd nope torrents aren't the same
[19:23] <numan> no, please not torrents!
[19:23] <leandro> hi there, how can I see videos of real player? *.rmvb?
[19:23] <knkd> wingw32 ? bI
[19:24] <mrksbrd> oh thats right.....been a    l  o  n  g   time since i used emule
[19:24] <knkd> gorbachow perestroyka
[19:24] <coreymon77> whats the matter with torrents
[19:24] <mrksbrd> !pl
[19:24] <coreymon77> i actually like them much much better
[19:24] <numan> it's just i download singles
[19:24] <coreymon77> so
[19:25] <coreymon77> there are torrent singles
[19:25] <leandro> plz, can I see movies *.rmvb with ubuntu?
[19:25] <numan> and things very old
[19:25] <numan> 50's
[19:25] <leandro> its possible?
[19:25] <knkd> gorbachow perestroyka
[19:25] <coreymon77> you can find torrents for many things
[19:25] <mrksbrd> is that real player extension?
[19:25] <coreymon77> knkd: english only!
[19:25] <leandro> yep
[19:26] <numan> i can't find torrents that old, and i'm use to emule (it's more that) it's more easy
[19:26] <knkd> coreymon77 realy?
[19:26] <mrksbrd> knkd: if u don't speak or understand english....we cannot help you here either
[19:26] <coreymon77> knkd: in this channel its english only
[19:26] <knkd> this is china?
[19:26] <coreymon77> knkd: other languages are in the localized channels
[19:26] <mrksbrd> !ch
[19:26] <coreymon77> knkd: no
[19:26] <knkd> mrksbrd understand!!!
[19:26] <knkd> dont speak
[19:27] <knkd> mingw32
[19:27] <coreymon77> knkd: what language?
[19:27] <bibfrtuna> compiz --replace works and i get all my fancy effects (yay), but doesn't resume on startup next time. what am i missing?
[19:27] <numan> so please what's better to you: emule under wine or amule? thenks again (not torrents please)
[19:27] <mrksbrd> knkd: then take it to chinese channel
[19:27] <knkd> make -(comand line)? -> *.exe for mingw32
[19:27] <mrksbrd> i'm trying to help but i don't understand you either
[19:27] <coreymon77> !cn } knkd
[19:28] <coreymon77> !cn | knkd
[19:28] <mrksbrd> ty corey
[19:28] <knkd> coreymon77 china - joke))
[19:28] <coreymon77> knkd: well then what language do you speak?
[19:28] <mrksbrd> knkd if your going to play games them please leave
[19:28] <knkd> mingw32
[19:29] <knkd> python
[19:29] <leandro> sorry, but nobody knows how can I see videos with *rmvb? rmvb = real player..
[19:29] <mrksbrd> this is not the channel for it
[19:29] <knkd> lang
[19:29] <knkd> !python
[19:29] <knkd> oh!
[19:29] <knkd> !mingw32
[19:29] <knkd> bI
[19:30] <coreymon77> !real | leandro
[19:30] <leandro> im sad.. =\ buááá..
[19:30] <numan> nobody use emule or amule?
[19:30] <leandro> coreymon77: thnx
[19:30] <coreymon77> numan: nope, im a torrent person, but the rule of thumb is dont use wine if you dont have to
[19:30] <knkd> mingw32 - SOS
[19:31] <coreymon77> knkd: what do you want?
[19:31] <mrksbrd> leandro; i believe you can d/l it from realplayer website
[19:31] <knkd> mingw32 -> *.exe
[19:31] <mrksbrd> numan....nope
[19:31] <knkd> !tadgikistan
[19:31] <coreymon77> knkd: you cant use .exe's in linux
[19:31] <mrksbrd> knkd: are u trying to install exxe on linux
[19:32] <knkd> coreymon77 mrksbrd *.exe -> windows | mingw32 <- linux
[19:32] <numan> you guys just use torrents? wow!
[19:32] <coreymon77> yup
[19:32] <knkd> mrksbrd dont install - compile
[19:32] <coreymon77> theyre much better
[19:32] <Dragnslcr> knkd- you'd be better off asking in the channel for your language
[19:33] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: we have tried
[19:33] <knkd> bI
[19:33] <numan> then please tell me where can i find torrents of 40's Jazz
[19:33] <Dragnslcr> I figured I'd try one more time before calling in the ops
[19:33] <coreymon77> numan: google
[19:33] <numan> i tried with mininova, isohunt, spytorrent and piratebay
[19:33] <leandro> mrksbrd: thnx
[19:33] <numan> and nothing
[19:34] <coreymon77> numan: torrents.to
[19:34] <mrksbrd> yw
[19:34] <numan> nop
[19:34] <numan> nothing yet
[19:35] <mrksbrd> numan: what prog u looking for?
[19:36] <coreymon77> anyways, time to take the dog for a walk
[19:36] <numan> p2p to download very old music
[19:36] <mrksbrd> how old
[19:37] <numan> 40's
[19:37] <Fjk> hola hay alguien que me ayude?
[19:38] <mrksbrd> !es
[19:38] <mrksbrd> geez!!! thats old ....lol
[19:38] <Fjk> thank
[19:38] <numan> and with emule i downloaded perfectly
[20:11] <prower> Hello :> I'm using KDE 4.1 under Ubuntu, I'm trying to figure out how to sort the desktop icons so that they aren't all over the place ;> Anyone know how to do this by any chance?
[20:12] <pim> rightclick
[20:12] <pim> icons
[20:12] <pim> sort icons
[20:12] <prower> pim: right click the desktop or the icons? I've clicked both and don't see a sort icons option on either
[20:13] <pim> well I meant the desktop
[20:13] <pim> but then again I'm using kde 3.5.9
[20:13] <pim> so maybe go to #kde
[20:14] <mefisto__> prower: I don't think it can be done in any automatic way
[20:15] <pim> lol in kde 3 it can be doen
[20:15] <pim> done
[20:17] <prower> mefisto__: Hmm...well that's weird :>
[20:18] <mefisto__> prower: this kind of thing (missing basic features) is mostly what's wrong with kde4. probably 4.2 will be more useable
[20:18] <pim> hopefully
[20:19] <pim> that's why I'm not switching to kde4 yet
[20:20] <mefisto__> I'm surprised kubuntu 8.10 will be kde4 only
[20:20] <prower> mefisto__: Well KDE 4.1 is a big improvement over the last version,that was practically unusable :>
[20:20] <pim> well 8.04 is LTS so we needn't worry
[20:20] <mefisto__> prower: that's true. at least it doesn't crash
[20:25] <kain89> hi @ all
[20:26] <joebloggz> Hiya!
[20:27] <kblin> hi
[20:27] <mrksbrd> pim: actually 8.04 will only be supported till oct 2009, i believe 8.10 will be LTS
[20:28] <Tm_T> no
[20:28] <kblin> I'm trying to use virtualbox on amd64 hardy, running the current hardy kernel
[20:28] <Tm_T> 8.04 is latest LTS, as noted in releasenotes
[20:29] <kblin> seems like there's no matching vboxdrv module. how'd I fix that, apart from rebooting into an older kernel?
[20:30] <joebloggz> how is Xastir upgraded?
[20:31] <mrksbrd> kblin: not all that familiar with virtualbox, but is it supported under 64-bit?
[20:31] <kblin> mrksbrd: it seems so, there's modules for the -20 version of the kernel, as well as older versions
[20:32] <kblin> also. virtualbox supports the VT bit stuff, that only exists on 64bit processors for all I know :)
[20:32] <kblin> though I guess that'd work even on a 32bit distro installed on a 64bit processor
[20:34] <pim> mrksbrd yes it is
[20:34] <mrksbrd> yea i know there is a lib file for running 32-bit apps under 64-bit, but can't remember name of it .....sorry
[20:35] <mrksbrd> pim: maybe i'm thinking of KDE
[20:36] <mrksbrd> i know i saw it somewhere
[20:36] <scifi> Hey guys, i having a problem with kdewallet not accepting/saving my password, can anyone help me on this please??????????????
[20:36] <pim> actually, I switched from 64bit Kubi to 32bit Kubi because of the better support for flash etc
[20:37] <mrksbrd> true
[20:38] <mrksbrd> kblin: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534
[20:40] <kevin> is there any way of knowing what teh exact name of an application is? I have to launch an application and I don't know its name. (it is to launch teh hardware drivers for my ATi graphics card)?
[20:41] <mrksbrd> kevin: what version of kubuntu 8.04?
[20:42] <kevin> kde  3.5.9 8.04.
[20:42] <mcscruff> os[Linux 2.6.24-21-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[2 x Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2080  @ 1.73GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 800MHz] mem[Physical: 882.7MB, 61.7% free] disk[Total: 71.4GB, 46.4% free] video[ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB]
[20:43] <mcscruff> i got them from the ati website, comes with an installer
[20:43] <mrksbrd> just trying to get video card working to display properly?
[20:43] <kevin> yes
[20:43] <kevin> ATi radeon 1300.
[20:43] <kevin> Painful I know, I ought have bougtht nvidea
[20:44] <mrksbrd> kmenu....system....hardware manager, make sure it shows your card
[20:45] <kblin> mrksbrd: I'm positive I got a 64bit version
[20:45] <kblin> there's just no module for the latest kernel
[20:45] <scifi> would appreciate some help on this, its quite an annoying problem!
[20:46] <kevin> shows card
[20:47] <kevin> do I have to be root to activate this card/
[20:47] <kevin> ythe driver, not the card.
[20:48] <kevin> kmenu....system....hardware manager, make sure it shows your card..... this is done, and it downloading, thanks mrksbrd
[20:52] <mrksbrd> yw
[20:52] <shane_> good day all
[20:53] <mrksbrd> kblin; like i said not familiar w/vb....maybe someone else can get u up & running
[20:53] <shane_> im searching help for a friend he is using a del dimension 2350 and he is installin kubuntu on it he went through live cd and installed that way followin install and now he cant get hard drive to boot
[20:54] <mrksbrd> kevin: just make sure checkbox is checked then it might ask to reboot
[20:54] <kblin> mrksbrd: for now I've just booted into an older kernel, so I'm fine
[20:54] <slow-motion> n8
[20:54] <mrksbrd> ok
[20:56] <kevin> kevin: just make sure checkbox is checked then it might ask to reboot... I did this. I only installed the system last night, and I have very little extras yet. Thanks one again for your help.
[20:56] <mrksbrd> shane: does it show anything or just blank screen?
[20:57] <mrksbrd> kevin ...np
[20:58] <shane_> it gives some errors about a cmos problem
[20:58] <shane_> 1sec
[20:59] <mefisto__> sounds like grub is looking in the wrong place for boot partition
[20:59] <shane_> thats what i was thinking also
[21:00] <mrksbrd> shane: try setting bios back to all default first, if that doesn't work then it's a GRUB issue
[21:00] <mefisto__> I would look into grub first, and leave bios alone
[21:01] <shane_> he origanaly did the install on a ide 60 gig but he also had a 500 sata atached im wondering if he didnt make an error in the partition but i have asked him to unplug the sata and reboot and he gets an error now on cmos originally it was a hard drive
[21:02] <mefisto__> shane_: you can edit the grub boot parameters by pressing the "e" key and correcting which partition it's trying to boot from. once you get it to boot, edit menu.lst to make the change permanent
[21:05] <mefisto__> shane_: so the cmos error happens before the grub menu appears?
[21:06] <verve> is there a way to stop games from entirely stealing focus and making KDE keyboard shortcuts unusable?
[21:06] <verve> like Quake, etc
[21:07] <mrksbrd> mefisto: i believe so, thats why i told him to default the bios first, may not be seeing hdd
[21:07] <shane_> mefisto__: it happens whil the computer is still checking system it gives a cmos error and a f1 to continue and f2 to enter menu
[21:07] <shane_> f1 locks the system up and he didnt understand f2
[21:07] <shane_> i had him clear cmos and didnt do a thing
[21:08] <mrksbrd> but he can see bios settings right?
[21:08] <shane_> i will reset bios as soon as i get there im sure it is just a siimple error he made while trying to keep his sata as a device
[21:09] <shane_> im not even sure he called me up a lil while ago and said he needs help,tryed explaining but he wasnt so clear
[21:10] <mrksbrd> cause the f1 & f2 are locked in the bios & cannot be changed unless you hack the bios
[21:10] <shane_> im thinking reset bios and clear cmos then insure he did the partition correctly on the 500
[21:10] <mrksbrd> yea
[21:11] <verve> anyone?
[21:11] <shane_> kk thanks for the tips and ill get on my way,i just wanted to make sure this wasnt another dell isue
[21:11] <shane_> have a good day all
[21:11] <mefisto__> grub often gets ide and sata confused. ie the disk order isn't always what you'd expect
[21:12] <pim> he's gone already mefisto_
[21:12] <mrksbrd> yea but why would he be getting that f1 & f2 error
[21:12] <qirL> selam
[21:12] <qirL> hi:d
[21:13] <mrksbrd> the guy might not just be doing something properly
[21:13] <pim> yeah
[21:13] <pim> or he did something terribly wrong
[21:13] <pim> like spilling coffee on the inside of his laptop
[21:13] <mrksbrd> but your right if he had both plugged in then i would agree grub issue
[21:14] <mrksbrd> lol
[21:14] <pim> I can't think of many ways to screw up your bios
[21:14] <pim> but that is one of them
[21:15] <mrksbrd> what...just doing something wron?
[21:15] <mrksbrd> *wrong
[21:15] <pim> no spilling coffee on the inside
[21:15] <pim> or a bios that is no good
[21:15] <mrksbrd> lmao....true
[21:15] <pim> or a failed bios update
[21:16] <pim> hardware failure
[21:16] <pim> that's about it
[21:16] <pim> I had a faulty bios once
[21:16] <pim> it wouldn't boot properly, so I flashed it
[21:16] <pim> guess what happened?
[21:16] <mrksbrd> after all it is a dell
[21:16] <pim> my soundcard didn't work anymore
[21:16] <mrksbrd> poof?
[21:16] <pim> sort of
[21:16] <pim> I had someone replace it
[21:16] <pim> it was still under warrantee
[21:17] <mrksbrd> lucky u
[21:17] <pim> yeah
[21:17] <mrksbrd> $$$$
[21:17] <pim> I couldn't keep the old card
[21:17] <pim> they were going to test it I think
[21:18] <mrksbrd> they probably just threw it out
[21:18] <pim> most likely yes
[21:18] <mrksbrd> anyone use 4.1
[21:18] <mefisto__> I'm using 4.1 now
[21:18] <pim> kde 4.1?
[21:20] <mrksbrd> i kinda like it over v4
[21:20] <mrksbrd> looks like they made alot of improvements
[21:20] <veritas_> does anyone have problems playing mkv files?
[21:20] <mrksbrd> i was a little nervous @ first
[21:21] <veritas_> 4.1 is still buggy as hell though
[21:21] <veritas_> though not as buggy as 4.0
[21:21] <veritas_> 4.0 was just unusable
[21:21] <pim> yup
[21:21] <veritas_> the graphics card is the main issue right now
[21:22] <veritas_> Nvidia drivers don't seem to like 4.1 very much
[21:22] <pim> first read and then buy/use
[21:22] <veritas_> playing a MKV file is near impossible
[21:22] <sorin_> ubuntu-ro
[21:22] <sorin_> #ubuntu-ro
[21:22] <mefisto__> veritas_: can you point us to a mkv file somewhere? I don't have one to try out
[21:23] <veritas_> mefisto__: mainly any of the anime MKV files
[21:23] <veritas_> mefisto__:  http://tracker.anirena.com/download.php?id=13297 <-- plays flawlessly in ubuntu and windoze, but really slow and choppy in KDE
[21:25] <veritas_> i've got a Quadro 570M  on a dual core 2.5ghz
[21:25] <veritas_> so I shouldn't have any problem playing a 300mb 30 minute MKV file
[21:30] <Lonewolf3000> Hi
[21:31] <Lonewolf3000> I need help seting up a driver for my Atheros Mini PCI/PCIe Wireless card
[21:31] <qirL> you need fuck
[21:31] <qirL> ?
[21:31] <qirL> :D
[21:32] <mrksbrd> is it an aircard (ie..sprint...verizon)?
[21:33] <pim> qirL behave yourself please
[21:35] <Lonewolf3000> hi I need help with settinup my Atheros Mini PCI/PCIe Wireless card
[21:36] <mrksbrd> Lonewolf3000: is it a cell card or wifi?
[21:36] <Lonewolf3000> wifi
[21:38] <lenea> how can i get to the accoung managing screen by using only run(alt+F2)?
[21:39] <mrksbrd> any particular model lonewolf3000?
[21:40] <Lonewolf3000> I dont know off hand
[21:40] <mrksbrd> type lspci in terminal...see if it is listed
[21:42] <Lonewolf3000> what will i be looking for
[21:42] <mrksbrd> something with Atheros in it
[21:43] <Lonewolf3000> Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc.: Unknown device 0 01c(rev 01)
[21:44] <mrksbrd> do you know how to use pastebin here?
[21:44] <Lonewolf3000> no
[21:45] <Bauldrick> !anything
[21:45] <Bauldrick> yep
[21:45] <stamen> hello, I have a question about hard disk on dell laptop
[21:47] <stamen> is it normal for the HDD to bump the head on the first position
[21:47] <stamen> it sounds like there are bad sectors and the head is parked
[21:48] <mrksbrd> click this link http://paste.ubuntu.com & copy & paste what the lspci returned in terminal
[21:48] <stamen> and after that it starts to read the info again?
[21:48] <mrksbrd> click submit & paste link in channel it gives u
[21:49] <mrksbrd> what do u mean "bump the head"?
[21:50] <Lonewolf3000> http://paste.ubuntu.com/42242/
[21:53] <mrksbrd> Lonewolf3000: you have like 6 things that are not recognized
[21:54] <Lonewolf3000> is there a way get them working
[21:54] <mrksbrd> lol...alot of work......what are u using now?
[21:55] <mrksbrd> as far as ethernet
[21:55] <Lonewolf3000> on sec and i will check
[21:55] <knkd> fucking Mingw32
[21:56] <mrksbrd> using wired or wifi
[21:56] <Lonewolf3000> wired
[21:56] <mrksbrd> knkd: if your going to keep doing this take yourself somewhere else
[21:56] <mrksbrd> using the realtek built in?
[21:57] <Lonewolf3000> that sounds right
[21:57] <mrksbrd> hmm thats weird cause what u pasted it doesn't recognize that either
[21:58] <mrksbrd> that's one of the 6
[21:58] <mrksbrd> anyway...lets get back to your original prob
[21:58] <Lonewolf3000> ok
[21:59] <mrksbrd> is it an express card or reg pmcia card
[22:00] <mado> hi guys ...
[22:00] <Lonewolf3000> Reg
[22:00] <mrksbrd> k
[22:00] <mado> is it just my systm or do you also have problems writing the letter 'e' ??
[22:01] <Daisuke_Ido> it's probably your keyboard.
[22:01] <mado> i don't know why but it can't use it at the moment ...
[22:01] <mado> no ... it's not the keyboard ... because ...
[22:01] <knkd> Well pancake how compile Busybox under Windows by Mingw32? (fuck)
[22:02] <mado> i can press it in the search-field of the k-menu
[22:02] <mado> the 'e's you see here are inserted with ctrl+V
[22:03] <mado> what could possibly be wrong?
[22:03] <mrksbrd> lonewolf3000: here is the driver link http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=82936&package_id=85233&release_id=576121
[22:03] <Daisuke_Ido> do you have it bound to something else by accident?
[22:04] <mrksbrd> mefisto__: u still here
[22:04] <benbread> Hi where is the alsa config file (usually /etc/modules.d/alsa) on kubunta? cheers :
[22:04] <benbread> :)
[22:04] <mefisto__> mrksbrd: still here
[22:04] <mado> no ... i haven't messed with something like that
[22:04] <mrksbrd> u any good with .tar files?
[22:05] <mefisto__> not really. what's up?
[22:05] <mrksbrd> me neither lonewolf3000 will need help compiling driver for his wifi card
[22:05] <Lonewolf3000> now how do i install it now
[22:06] <mrksbrd> working on it for u lone
[22:07] <Lonewolf3000> ok this will also help with the firefox i downloaded
[22:08] <mefisto__> Lonewolf3000: which one did you download? the bz2 or gz?
[22:08] <Lonewolf3000> bz2
[22:08] <mado> funny ... really funny ... it worked before!
[22:08] <mado> and now it doesn't
[22:08] <mado> i don't get it
[22:09] <mrksbrd> firefox u can d/l thru adept, will be auto installed
[22:09] <Lonewolf3000> how
[22:09] <mrksbrd> lets worry about your first prob
[22:10] <mefisto__> ark opens/extracts the bz2
[22:11] <mado> no one with an idea???
[22:11] <mrksbrd> lonewolf ... did u d/l the first or 2nd link on that page?
[22:11] <neWbie> hello, why cant i upload an image on imageshack?
[22:11] <mado> should i install the whole kubuntu again??
[22:12] <Lonewolf3000> 2nd
[22:12] <mrksbrd> ok
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: you can do it at cli with tar xjvf example.tar.bz2
[22:12] <mrksbrd> goto location where it downloaded
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> mado: whats up?
[22:12] <mrksbrd> right click & unzip
[22:13] <mado> ActionParsnip, ... i can't use the letter 'e' ... currently i have to insert it with ctrl+V
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> mado: wow crazy...whats in your xorg.conf for ketyboard layout?
[22:13] <mado> it's no keyboard-error ... it can't be ... - it worked before
[22:13] <neWbie> hello, why cant i upload an image on imageshack?
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: you got flash?
[22:14] <neWbie> yes
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> mado: well now it doesnt so we have to deal with it
[22:14] <neWbie> i downloaded it
[22:14] <neWbie> and installed it
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: does it work ok? does youtube et al work
[22:15] <mefisto__> mado: does 'e' work in konsole?
[22:15] <mrksbrd> lonewolf....any luck
[22:15] <Lonewolf3000> ok it is unziped'
[22:15] <mado> no mefisto__ ... it stopped working everywhere!
[22:15] <neWbie> well, let's say everytime i use youtube there's always a fram prob but yes it works
[22:15] <mrksbrd> ok open terminal again
[22:16] <neWbie> (for frame prob i mean the image is divided in lines, weird cuz i correctly installed the nvidia drivers)
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> mado: can we see your xorg.conf please
[22:16] <mrksbrd> go to unziped directory
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> !paste | mado
[22:16] <Lonewolf3000> I sill have it open
[22:16] <mado> of course ... but please tell me first if you mean ... /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[22:16] <mrksbrd> cd <directory Name>
[22:16] <mado> i'm a g
[22:17] <mado> beginner
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> mado: yes, thats the only one :D
[22:17] <mado> ok :)
[22:17] <neWbie> so how come i cant upload images?
[22:17] <Lonewolf3000> ok
[22:18] <mrksbrd> once in the unzipped directory type ./configure
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: try killall firefox; mv ~/.mozilla ~/mozilla.old; firefox &
[22:19] <neWbie> what is it ActionParnsip?
[22:19] <Lonewolf3000> nope
[22:19] <mado> http://paste.ubuntu.com/42244/
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: itll close all firefoxes, rename your firefox config files, then rerun firefox which will give you a stock firefox profile with no complications, try it then
[22:19] <mado> ActionParsnip, and mefisto__ ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/42244/
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> mado: are you german?
[22:20] <Lonewolf3000> brb
[22:20] <neWbie> will it remove bookmarks and stuff?
[22:20] <mrksbrd> ActionParsnip: do you have an easy driver compiling link for lonewolf to follow
[22:20] <mado> no ... austrian ... why?
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: yes, but we're only renaming to test, we can rename back if we gain nothing
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> mado: Option		"XkbLayout"	"de"
[22:21] <neWbie> ok, im trying it then
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> mado: do you have a special keyboard or is it a standard uk qwerty one?
[22:21] <mado> it's a standard qwrtz like the germans use :)
[22:22] <mrksbrd> lonewolf...does it it have a file in there named install?
[22:22] <mado> sorry ... should have known before that you asked for that
[22:22] <mefisto__> mado: does the keyboard have a battery? is it cordless?
[22:22] <Lonewolf3000> yes
[22:23] <mado> well guys ... i'm sitting on a notebook :)
[22:23] <mrksbrd> try ./install
[22:23] <mado> mefisto__, i
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> mado: just checkin
[22:23] <mado> ?
[22:24] <mado> checkin what ActionParsnip ?
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> mado: try commenting out Xkbmodel and reboot
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> mado: make sure you had the right language for your keyboard
[22:24] <Lonewolf3000> not letting me
[22:24] <mrksbrd> aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[22:24] <mrksbrd> i hate tar files
[22:24] <dr_Willis> the 'unp' command comes in handy. :)
[22:25] <mado> ActionParsnip, ... but how can this problem occur ... the letter 'e' worked about 30 minutes perfectly
[22:25] <neWbie> ActionParnsip nothing changed... can you write me the command to rename and make everything as it was plz?
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> mado: try running xev to check the button isnt faulty
[22:25]  * mrksbrd guesses mado hit the "e" key too many times
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: no problemo
[22:25] <neWbie> kewl
[22:26] <mado> mrksbrd, ... pardon??
[22:26] <mado> too many times??
[22:26] <mrksbrd> joke!!!
[22:26] <mado> uuuh ... ok :)
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: killall firefox; rm -rf ./.mozilla; mv ./mozilla.old ./.mozilla; firefox &
[22:26] <mado> sorry ... i'm currently taking nearly everything seriously
[22:26] <mrksbrd> dr_Willis: can u help lonewolf3000 w/a.tar file....I suck @ them
[22:27] <neWbie> where can i learn that stuff?
[22:27] <hardy> I now have both a .kde and .kde4 folders, and I have kmail messages distributed between the two of them, is it safe just to copy the messages from the cur,new,tmp of all the folders of one to the other?
[22:27] <neWbie> thank you by the way
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: what stuff?
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: np man
[22:27] <neWbie> all these commands
[22:27] <dr_Willis> mrksbrd,  depedns on what hes doing with it. :) i tend to cheat and use 'mc' to manage tar's or 'unp' to unpack them
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: if you use cli instead of gui you pick it up
[22:27] <neWbie> on the guides is not well explained
[22:27] <mado> ActionParsnip, ---> lik* this? -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/42246/
[22:27] <neWbie> cli ?
[22:27] <neWbie> whatz that?
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> neWbie: cp = copy, mv = move and also rename
[22:27] <the_keeper> just a nick
[22:27] <mrksbrd> trying to get his Arteros wifi driver installed but in .tar format
[22:28] <mrksbrd> he has it unzipped ....just needs to install it
[22:28] <mado> like this -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/42246/ ??
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> mado: exactly like that, you'll need kdesu to do it (or sudo if you use nano or vi etc)
[22:28] <dr_Willis> mrksbrd,  good luck with that.. :) i found 100+ft of cat6 in sale last week.. my house is all wired now.
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> mrksbrd: doesnt it work with restricted drivers?
[22:28] <mado> ok ... i savd it now ... now i will rboot ... ok?
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> mado: totally
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> mado: if its bad, just uncomment
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> mado: then reboot, and yuo will be back
[22:29] <mrksbrd> see's the card but no other info on it....let me try to find his pastebin for ya
[22:29] <mado> ok ... s _ _ ... you guys soon
[22:29] <hardy> Hi, any one suffer this .kde and .kde4 mess?
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> mrksbrd: can you give us a pastebin of lspci
[22:29] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/42242/
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> hardy: yes as not all apps are kde4 friendly, so you have kde3 libs as well
[22:30] <DarkriftX> what package do i need for my C compiler to be able to make executables
[22:30] <hardy> ActionParsnip: but now I have my kmail messages distributed between the two of them, is it safe just to copy the messages from the cur,new,tmp of all the folders of one to the other?
[22:31] <mrksbrd> there is his pastebin....lonewolf I have to go for now but will be back on in prolly an hr or so...........sorry
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> hardy: I dont use it so have no idea, you could back them up and give it a go, then you can roll back
[22:32] <hardy> ActionParsnip: ok, I would give it a shot thanks
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> hardy: make copies in your ~/ and have fun, if its bad, copy back
[22:32] <dr_Willis> Hmm.. weird.. Got a windows drive mounted with ntfs-3g. root user can access/delete files and SOME directories.. but not all.. mc gives 'error 95 not permitted'  can ntfs some how have directories super-protected or somthing? silly 'My Documents' directory wont delete!
[22:32]  * mrksbrd will be back in an hr or so......
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> dr_Willis: if the file / folder has funky permissions then you cant touch it
[22:33] <dr_Willis> rmdir 'My Music'
[22:33] <dr_Willis> rmdir: failed to remove `My Music': Operation not supported
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> dr_Willis: like mydocs
[22:34] <dr_Willis> this is a vista-ntfs.  ive never noticed this on XP ntfs's befor.
[22:35] <dr_Willis> I love how 'My Music' is so CRITICAL.. that it cent be deleted! while somthing like  windows/Justaboutanything   can be. :)
[22:35] <dr_Willis> Logical eh. :)
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> dr_Willis: its all about permissions and read / write permissions etc
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> i gtg peeps
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> werd
[22:36] <mefisto__> dr_Willis: what about sudo rm -r 'My Music'
[22:36] <mado> ActionParsnip, ... mefisto__ ... at the moment it works :)
[22:36] <mado> i can press the letter 'e' :)
[22:36] <dr_Willis> mefisto__,  the directory is empty.
[22:37] <dr_Willis> Looks like its some sort of protection  ntfs is doing.
[22:37] <mefisto__> mado: any special keys that were working before, that don't work now?
[22:37] <OzoneNerd> How would one add a startup command?
[22:37] <dr_Willis> !startup
[22:37] <mado> hmm ... don't know ... but the "print"-button didn't work before and after the uncommenting of the line in the file
[22:38] <dr_Willis> depends on the command and what you doing exactly OzoneNerd
[22:38] <mado> the "print"-button normally starts "ksnapshot"
[22:38] <OzoneNerd> thanks, ubottu*
[22:38] <Smokey1> hey people. What is that scim applet and how do I get it to stop what it is doing?
[22:38] <Smokey1> It keeps messing up my keyboard settings
[22:39] <mefisto__> mado: try editing the menu and add a keyboard shortcut to ksnapshot
[22:39] <mado> ok ... thank you for that ... and erm ...
[22:39] <Smokey1> I have the normal keyboard layout applet which (in my case) let's me choose between USA and USA (intl) keyboard layouts
[22:39] <mado> there is a message displayed ... after i log in ...
[22:39] <mado> it disappears quickly
[22:40] <mado> but i could see it has something to do with the sound
[22:40] <Smokey1> but then I also have this skim applet which let's me choose between Other - English/European and ENglish/KEyboard
[22:40] <Smokey1> somehow that's gets set to English/Keyboard sometimes, messing up my keyboard layout
[22:40] <Smokey1> when I then reset it to Other -English/European, everything is ok again
[22:41] <Lonewolf3000> Does any one know how to install tar files
[22:41] <Smokey1> but after a while, it gets set back to English/Keyboard
[22:41] <Smokey1> Lonewolf3000: you don't install them
[22:41] <Smokey1> they are archives, like zip
[22:41] <Smokey1> you unpack them
[22:42] <Smokey1> just doubleclick them and you should get an archive manager that lets you unpack them to a folder of your choice
[22:42] <mado> mefisto__, do you have an idea which short-cut i should use for ksnapshot?
[22:42] <Smokey1> if someone provided a program inside a tar file for you to install, than you should read their documentation on how to install them
[22:43] <Smokey1> often the docs are in the tarfile in a textfile like INSTALL.txt or something
[22:43] <dr_Willis> tar xzvf whatever.tgz
[22:43] <dr_Willis> cd DIRETORYItMade
[22:43] <Smokey1> if you are comfortable with the shell :)
[22:43] <dr_Willis> ./configure && make   (look for errors) :)
[22:43] <mado> oy ... mefisto__ ... the short_cut-function doesn't work!!
[22:44] <dr_Willis> if you are not gouing to use the shell.. then give up on compiling from source...
[22:44] <mado> i tried it out with "windows_symbol + F12"
[22:44] <Smokey1> that is true, you have to start sometimes though :)
[22:44] <dr_Willis> People need to get past this 'phear the shell' fetish
[22:44] <mefisto__> mado: the printscreen/sysrq button?
[22:44] <Smokey1> dr_Willis: true
[22:44] <dr_Willis> or.... 'sudo apt-get install unp'
[22:44] <mado> yes
[22:44] <dr_Willis> unp Aboutanyarchiveyoucanfind.whatever.extension
[22:44] <dr_Willis> :)
[22:45] <WaR|OcK> hi all
[22:45] <mado> yes mefisto__ ;)
[22:46] <WaR|OcK> i've installed the newest version of kubuntu yesterday and something goes a bit wrong: the option to install widgets is missing from the add widgets window
[22:46] <mefisto__> mado: the shortcut is working?
[22:46] <WaR|OcK> any ideas?
[22:46] <mado> no ... it doesn't work mefisto__
[22:46]  * dr_Willis wonders 'what add widgits' window...
[22:47] <mefisto__> mado: does it accept the shortcut? does it show the key you entered?
[22:47] <mado> yes mefisto__
[22:47] <WaR|OcK> dr_Willis:  that's on KDE 4
[22:47] <dr_Willis> WaR|OcK,  i was just about to ask that.. :)
[22:48] <Ragnarel> is someone having problems connecting to MSN Messenger with Kopete or Kmess now?
[22:48] <mefisto__> mado: and have you clicked the save button in menu editor?
[22:48] <mado> yes
[22:49] <WaR|OcK> dr_Willis: any ideas what's causing that???? it was there yesterday, but today it has just desappeared
[22:49] <dr_Willis> I dont use kde4. so No.
[22:49] <dr_Willis> Kde4 is still very much a work in progress.. I can wait. :)
[22:50] <mefisto__> mado: kde4? or kde3?
[22:50] <mado> kde4 ... why? mefisto__ ...
[22:50] <mefisto__> mado: I just tried it (in kde4) and it doesn't work for me either
[22:50] <mado> uhuu ... i see
[22:51] <mado> then i'm glad not to be the only one with this problem :)
[22:52] <dr_Willis> Kde4 is still very much a work in progress.. Is  sooo true. :)
[22:52] <mado> dr_Willis, ... does this mean you should wait for it till october?
[22:53] <dr_Willis> mado,  do what you want. dosent matter to me much.
[22:53] <dr_Willis> kde4 will not be perfect in october. :) but it will be better I imagine
[22:53] <dr_Willis> and it will be even better-er in dec...
[22:54] <mado> no ... that wasn't what i meant ... if you want to use a stable system ... it's better to use kde3 ??
[22:54] <dr_Willis> kde4 is a work in progress.. :) no one ever said it was stable
[22:54] <mado> :)
[22:55] <dr_Willis> I will stick with kde3 for a long time i imagine
[22:56] <mado> uhuu :) ...
[22:57] <mado> ok guys ... i'm sorry but i have to go away now for some hours ... see you soon
[22:57]  * dr_Willis goes back to cleaning out his computer
[22:57] <dr_Willis> with 500+gb hd's its amazing the cruft that accumulates...
[22:57] <mefisto__> mado
[22:58] <mefisto__> I just figured out the shortcut thing for him and he just left
[22:59] <mefisto__> I'm getting a new 500gb hd in a few days. I'm sure I'll *never* manage to fill it :)
[23:00] <dr_Willis> I now have a 500gb and 400gb hd in this box.. cleaning out cruft and reorganizing right now
[23:00] <DarkriftX> anyone know any good rpg style games for linux?
[23:00] <dr_Willis> Depends on what you want. :)
[23:00] <dr_Willis> Crossfire, theres also the old nethack, and variants,
[23:01] <dr_Willis> then ya got all the emulators and  SNES/Dos/other games.
[23:01] <hardy> Hi, How can I tell which Device driver is used for my VGA in Intrepid? xorg.conf states Section "Device"
[23:01] <hardy>         Identifier      "Configured Video Device", ??
[23:01] <dr_Willis> I wonder if 'Fate' works with wine.
[23:02] <mefisto__> hardy: what does it say on the "driver" line in that section?
[23:02] <dr_Willis>  grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf ---------> Driver 'nvidia'
[23:03] <WaR|OcK> i installed kubuntu with kde4 yesterday and for some reason the Install Widgets option you get when you go to add widgets has gone missing
[23:03] <WaR|OcK> any ideas?
[23:03] <hardy> mefisto__, dr_Willis: there is no Driver line in the whole file
[23:03] <dr_Willis> Thats the X autoconfig stuff doing its job then I imagine
[23:03] <dr_Willis> the x logs may tell you what driver its using.
[23:03] <DarkriftX> oh wow
[23:04] <DarkriftX> graphics are from the 80's
[23:04] <asobi> anyone useses guarddog? can't ftp
[23:04] <dr_Willis> DarkriftX,  how...vague.. :)
[23:04] <DarkriftX> crossfire
[23:04] <DarkriftX> i couldnt find a ss page, so i installed
[23:04] <dr_Willis> DarkriftX,  Theres that nethack-redone with 3d iso gfx also.
[23:05] <dr_Willis> crossfire is neat.. and yes. the gfx are minimal.. theres different clients for it with different gfx.
[23:05] <dr_Willis> Crossfire is a little.. odd.. in ways. :)
[23:06] <mefisto__> DarkriftX: sauerbraten is not bad. don't know if that's the kind of thing you're looking for, but it's in repos
[23:07] <DarkriftX> looks good
[23:07] <DarkriftX> but im looking for a mindless rpg style game
[23:07] <DarkriftX> old school dnd without the old school lol
[23:08] <DarkriftX> guess since windows doesnt have many, linux would have fewer
[23:08] <hardy> dr_Willis: but I have lines like  LoadModule: "ati" LoadModule: "radeon" so who can I tell which one is the one used?
[23:09] <mefisto__> DarkriftX: http://www.wesnoth.org/  like that?
[23:11] <Lonewolf3000> Dose anyone know how to install Madwifi
[23:12] <mefisto__> Lonewolf3000: what does the install file say? have you looked at that?
[23:12] <dr_Willis> modules are not the same as  the 'Driver' Line. I imagine you are using either the 'ati' driver' or the 'fglrx' driver.
[23:12] <dr_Willis> I dont use ATI cards any more
[23:12] <Lonewolf3000> I have and still no luck
[23:13] <dr_Willis> DarkriftX,  'Falcons Eye' - nethack -revisited...
[23:13] <dr_Willis> Wesnoth is a Must play game also. :) its not really a RPG however.
[23:14] <mefisto__> warning: wesnoth can get addictive. I don't like games much, but have wasted many hours on it
[23:14] <Ratchet4620> um hello i have a quick question
[23:15] <Ratchet4620> how do i run a binary
[23:16] <Smokey1> Lonewolf3000: have you read http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/FirstTimeHowTo
[23:17] <engineer> Ratchet4620 ./file.bin
[23:18] <Ratchet4620> ok thanks
[23:18] <dr_Willis> or sh ./whatever.bin
[23:19] <dr_Willis> but we feel we have to ask... 'what .bin' are you messing with?
[23:19] <engineer> we? speak for yourself
[23:20]  * dr_Willis speaks for all!
[23:20] <dr_Willis> :)
[23:20] <dr_Willis> since 90% of the times someone wanting to run a .bin is trying to install things allready in one of the many repos.
[23:20] <Ratchet4620> its hplip
[23:21] <Ratchet4620> trying to install a HP printer
[23:21] <Ratchet4620> it want me to update plip
[23:21] <Ratchet4620> *hplip
[23:21] <engineer> try apt-cache search hplip
[23:21] <engineer> does a package with that name come up?
[23:22] <Ratchet4620> ok
[23:22] <Lonewolf3000> can some one that knows how to do this PM me
[23:22] <mefisto__> hplip is installed by default, isn't it?
[23:23] <Ratchet4620> its like 4 versions outdated
[23:23] <Ratchet4620> and wont run my printer
[23:24] <Ratchet4620> engineer: yes lots of them
[23:24] <engineer> ok Ratchet4620
[23:24] <dr_Willis> I was thinking there was some extra packages/files/drivers for some of the HP printers that were not nstalled by default
[23:25] <engineer> if the one in the reps is too old
[23:25] <engineer> install that one
[23:25] <dr_Willis> It may be a good idea to check  the forums and cups.org for info on your EXACT hp printer you have also.
[23:26] <Ratchet4620> thats a fun one ive never been able to figure out how to install cups
[23:26] <dr_Willis> There may be some updated unofficial packages somewhere.
[23:26] <Ratchet4620> or a printer on cups
[23:26] <Ratchet4620> i mean
[23:26] <dr_Willis> cups is installed by default..  i just use the web interface
[23:27] <dr_Willis> or the gnome-cups-manager tool. (its a little easier to use then the kde cups tool)
[23:27] <Ratchet4620> i allready have it i ment i cant fuigure out how to install a printer
[23:27] <Ratchet4620> XD
[23:27] <dr_Willis> I noticed under the latest ubu/kubuntus now.. it auto sees/installs my printer.  saves me the hassle.
[23:28] <dr_Willis> Ive even seen where cups sees/setups the other linux box's printers that are using cups also.
[23:28] <Ratchet4620> wow
[23:28] <dr_Willis> But i think that bit is disabled in ubuntu for security
[23:28] <dr_Willis> Ive trimmed down my # of printers also. :)
[23:31] <mefisto__> Ratchet4620: so have you installed the new hplip?
[23:34] <Ratchet4620> i have a .run file but i dont know how
[23:35] <dr_Willis> sh whatever.run
[23:35] <dr_Willis> or chmod +x whatever.run
[23:35] <dr_Willis> sudo ./whatever.run
[23:35] <Ratchet4620> ok
[23:35] <linuxmce> i just started using Kubuntu... i dont want to give up on it but everything is so different
[23:36] <dr_Willis> A different OS is Different! :) wow.
[23:36] <engineer> azlon details...
[23:36] <dr_Willis> I can imagine the Lawyers from MS getting excited if it was identical..
[23:36] <Lonewolf3000> I need somemone that knows how to install madwifi to PM me asap
[23:36] <azlon> i just downloaded firefox3 and it came as a .tar file... how do i install it?
[23:36] <mefisto__> sudo apt-get install firefox
[23:37] <engineer> azlon sudo aptitude install firefox
[23:37] <azlon> i figured .tar was basically the same as a zip, but when i navigate in i dont see a .exe (or something equivilent)
[23:37] <Dragnslcr> azlon- why not install it from the repository?
[23:37] <azlon> see... these are things i need to learn :|
[23:37] <engineer> azlon open a terminal or Konsole
[23:37] <dr_Willis> azlon,  dont expect 'exe' to install things in linux very much.
[23:37] <azlon> repository... just a place where Kubutnu keeps common apps that people download?
[23:37] <engineer> yes
[23:37] <dr_Willis> azlon,  firefox 3 is in the repositories.  like engineer  said.  its easy to install
[23:37] <azlon> how can i get a list of programs?
[23:38] <engineer> open adept
[23:38] <engineer> they are all tehre
[23:38] <dr_Willis> fire up the package manger too. (see the add/remove programs icon in the menu?) and explore
[23:38] <mefisto__> azlon: if it's in repos, it's easy. it will download AND install everything for you
[23:38] <azlon> i dont see it in system or utilites... where can i find adept?
[23:38] <engineer> open a terminal
[23:38] <engineer> type adept
[23:38] <engineer> enter
[23:38] <Dragnslcr> It's in System
[23:38] <dr_Willis> Once you learn to use adept and the other package manager tools.. you reaize how badly done MS's install system is
[23:38] <mefisto__> no it's adept_manager
[23:38] <Dragnslcr> It'll be called Adept or Package Manager
[23:39] <dr_Willis> i cheat and always install 'synpatic' since i like its interface better then adepts
[23:39] <dr_Willis> !adept
[23:39] <engineer> me too
[23:39] <engineer> but when upgrading
[23:39] <engineer> adept requires fewer clicls
[23:39] <mefisto__> adept is quicker at searches
[23:40] <engineer> clicks*
[23:40] <dr_Willis> It seems adept always is like 10x slower when i go to install stuff. and it refreshes the lists..
[23:40] <engineer> azlon got it?
[23:41] <azlon> engineer: hrmm... i did the suo apt-get install firefox but it says i already have the newest version
[23:41] <azlon> but i only have FF2
[23:41] <azlon> FF3 is out for linux right?
[23:41] <engineer> what kubuntu did you install?
[23:41] <dr_Willis> if you installed firefox3 while 2 was open/running .. ive seen that issue.
[23:41] <azlon> oh, hold on
[23:41] <azlon> engineer: i actually installed LinuxMCE
[23:41] <dr_Willis> under 8.04 that is.. if you have earlier releases ff3 may not be out for it.
[23:41] <azlon> i think its KDE 7.?
[23:42] <engineer> eh?
[23:42] <dr_Willis> Not a clue what MCE has.
[23:42] <engineer> this is #kubuntu
[23:42] <azlon> its a media center version of Linux... really f'n powerful
[23:42] <azlon> im trying to learn how to use it
[23:42] <dr_Willis> Its best to avoide most of the ubuntu/kubuntu variants.  Unless you know enough linux to understand the variants/differances
[23:42] <dr_Willis> MCE has its own channel.
[23:43] <Dragnslcr> !mce
[23:43] <azlon> i know... i just want to get the basics of KDE before i start fart'n with all the MCE crap
[23:43] <Dragnslcr> There ya go, azlon, #linuxmce
[23:43] <Ratchet4620> it keeps saying command not found
[23:44] <engineer> what command
[23:44] <Ratchet4620> sudo
[23:44] <mefisto__> in the directory where the file is, type: sh hplip-2.8.7.run
[23:45] <dr_Willis> if 'sudo' is command not found .. then ya got some issues...
[23:45] <dr_Willis> or some serious typos
[23:45] <Ratchet4620> sudo: ./home/ratchet/Desktop/hplip-2.8.5.run: command not found
[23:45] <mefisto__> Ratchet4620: you're the one installing hplip, right?
[23:45] <azlon> im looking for the adept program for a list of programs i can install... i typed adept and adept-manager. also looked in Utilities for Adept and Package Manager... anywhere else i can look?
[23:45] <dr_Willis> Ratchet4620,  typo.....
[23:46] <engineer> sudo su
[23:46] <dr_Willis> Ratchet4620,  ./fileincurrentdirectory.sh
[23:46] <engineer> then to the 2nd part of the command
[23:46] <dr_Willis> Ratchet4620,  yoru path is wrong with the . at the start.
[23:46] <Ratchet4620> ok
[23:46] <ForgeAus> how do I get konqui to load Java and flash plugins?
[23:46] <dr_Willis>  ./ [23:46] <mefisto__> Ratchet4620: the hplip website says not to run as root, so leave out the "sudo"
[23:46] <Dragnslcr> azlon- we can't support anything other than Kubuntu
[23:47] <OzoneNerd> I didn't quite understand what I should do to add a startup script...  I have a batch file and I want it to run when I login to kde.  What command should I run to include this in the startups?
[23:47] <dr_Willis> that MCE is definatly NOT for 'beginners' last i tried it also.. ages ago
[23:47] <azlon> this is kubuntu... the other crap just runs on top of KDE
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> azlon- no, LinuxMCE is not Kubuntu
[23:47] <dr_Willis> OzoneNerd,  what does the file do?  You could copy it to the kde/Autostart directory
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> !linuxmce | azlon
[23:47] <dr_Willis> !autostart
[23:47] <OzoneNerd> kde/Autostart?
[23:47] <OzoneNerd> Where is that?
[23:48] <azlon> hrmm... crap
[23:48] <azlon> thx
[23:48] <OzoneNerd> oh thanks...
[23:48] <dr_Willis> ~/.kde/Autostart  - be sure its chmod'd executable also.
[23:48] <dr_Willis> OzoneNerd,  whats the command supposed to be doing anyway?
[23:48] <ForgeAus> Dreamlinux is debian based not ubuntu right?
[23:48] <dr_Willis> Dreamlinux - Hmm.. i vaguly recall that one.
[23:48] <dr_Willis> its the 'ubuntu variant of the week club!' :)
[23:49] <ForgeAus> elive/elbuntu/ebuntu I think is ubuntu-based
[23:49] <OzoneNerd> dr_Willis: It starts up wicd.
[23:49] <mefisto__> dr_Willis: was that a joke? vaguely recall?
[23:49] <OzoneNerd> dr_Willis: And this requires sudo, will this be a problem?
[23:49] <dr_Willis> mefisto__,  i proberly looked at its live cd once... ages ago..
[23:49] <dr_Willis> OzoneNerd,  that may be an issue.. you could use 'kdesudo commandtorun'
[23:49] <mefisto__> vaguely recall, as in dreams
[23:49] <OzoneNerd> That's what I was thinking
[23:49] <dr_Willis> OzoneNerd,  it should in theory ask for the password...
[23:49] <kevin_> bbl
[23:50] <dr_Willis> mefisto__,  you are reading too much into it. :)
[23:50] <OzoneNerd> dr_Willis: I'm off to test it
[23:50] <ForgeAus> I've been asking the wrong question all along!
[23:50] <dr_Willis> I seem to recall Dreamlinux trying to look like OS-X   and using some cutsy tux  images
[23:50] <ForgeAus> instead of how to nest a new KDE I just need to know how to nest a KDE SESSION!
[23:50] <Dragnslcr> OzoneNerd- if it's a system service that's supposed to be running, you should probably add it to /etc/init.d
[23:50] <Denise> a phantom is in my ubuntu
[23:50] <Dragnslcr> Oops
[23:51] <blondet> hello you there people, nice to be here.
[23:51] <engineer> hi blondet
[23:51] <Denise> what could i do?
[23:51] <mefisto__> Denise: exorcist?
[23:52] <Denise> a blonde engineer?
[23:52] <ForgeAus> Xephyr can do that, but how? ie recall KDM to log into a new session (concurrently)...
[23:52] <dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  run it inside xnest,  or vnc perhaps.. seen it done with xephyr also
[23:52] <engineer> ?
[23:52] <blondet> aactually, a smoll blond.. :-)
[23:52] <dr_Willis> but i forget the command to make it launch kdm, vs. a window manager.
[23:52] <Denise> smoll
[23:52] <Denise> engineer are u chris?
[23:53] <engineer> yes deci
[23:53] <engineer> Denise
[23:53] <Denise> ok
[23:53] <blondet> :-)  just kiding... that's my real name.
[23:53] <engineer> explain your issue better
[23:53] <Denise> I lost ur addy
[23:53] <engineer> i didn't get it
[23:53] <Ratchet4620> ok i just was able to install it but i got this how do i do about installing these
[23:53] <Denise> sorry chris
[23:53] <Ratchet4620> warning: There are 6 missing REQUIRED dependencies.
[23:53] <Ratchet4620> note: Installation of dependencies requires an active internet connection.
[23:53] <Ratchet4620> warning: Missing REQUIRED dependency: gcc (gcc - GNU Project C and C++ Compiler)
[23:53] <Ratchet4620> warning: Missing REQUIRED dependency: libpthread (libpthread - POSIX threads library)
[23:53] <Ratchet4620> warning: Missing REQUIRED dependency: cups-devel (cups-devel- Common Unix Printing System development files)
[23:53] <Ratchet4620> warning: Missing REQUIRED dependency: libusb (libusb - USB library)
[23:53] <Ratchet4620> warning: Missing REQUIRED dependency: libtool (libtool - Library building support services)
[23:53] <Ratchet4620> warning: Missing REQUIRED dependency: libjpeg (libjpeg - JPEG library)
[23:53] <engineer> !paste
[23:54] <Denise> a window opend by itself
[23:54] <blondet> jjust a joke... :-)
[23:54] <engineer> a terminal?
[23:54] <Denise> a window here
[23:54] <Denise> in konversation
[23:54] <Ratchet4620> http://paste.ubuntu.com/42265/
[23:54] <engineer> Ratchet4620 most packages have dependencies
[23:54] <Denise> talking to myself
[23:54] <Ratchet4620> yeah
[23:54] <Denise> very weird
[23:54] <mefisto__> Ratchet4620: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[23:55] <Ratchet4620> is taht all i need to add in ?
[23:55] <engineer> ye that will probably work
[23:55] <mefisto__> Ratchet4620: sudo apt-get install build-essential  (no s on the end)
[23:55] <engineer> Denise must be some bug with the application
[23:55] <Denise> or a bug with me
[23:56] <blondet> I'm going to "check out"... be good all you there. take care. :-)
[23:56] <Denise> bye
[23:57] <engineer> Denise is it annoying?
[23:57] <Denise> well
[23:57] <Denise> it gave me chills in the back to be true
[23:57] <Denise> like captain Scarlet and the mysterons
[23:58] <Denise> engineer
[23:58] <engineer> lol
[23:58] <engineer> what
[23:59] <Denise> I m living in a strange world
[23:59] <Denise> what about u?