[00:06] <Volkodav> so what's up with nvidia and 2.27.2 kernel ?
[00:28] <Awsoonn> question: i upgraded with upgrade manager and got all kinds of issues, I've reported the biggest ones and such, is there any value to reporting bugs on my system from here on out?
[00:30] <Awsoonn> I'm worried that future bugs I encounter will simple be the result of my fixing other bugs or something of the like, and think that now that the biggest bugs have been reported already
[00:30] <Awsoonn> What does #+1 think, should I reinstall now, or keep reporting my barage of issues on this machine?
[00:31] <Awsoonn> this system was installed wiht 6.10 and upgraded version to version fyi
[00:32] <Jordan_U> Awsoonn: Directly from 6.10 to 7.10 ?
[00:32] <Awsoonn> no no, version to version
[00:32] <Jordan_U> Awsoonn: Nvm, now I see after re-reading
[00:32] <UnNaturalHigh> I was curious if anyone here could explain to me the usefulness of powernowd when laptop-mode is capable of adjusting the governor?
[01:14] <JediMaster> hm weird, had to ghost someone for using my nick heh
[01:14] <JediMaster> anyhow, I've just updated a whole bunch of packages (179 after not doing it for 2 days on intrepid) and I no longer seem to be running the nvidia binary drivers
[01:15] <JediMaster> in fact X was unusable and I had to dpkg-reconfigure it
[01:15] <JediMaster> now the "Hardware Drivers" app no longer shows the nivida driver as being in use or even available
[01:16] <JediMaster> any ideas how I get it installed again?
[01:19] <void^> nvidia-glx-177 is installed, on 2.6.27-2, and the module is missing?
[01:20] <crdlb> JediMaster: make sure linux-generic is installed
[01:20] <JediMaster> nvidia-glx-new seems to have vanished, but I've got nvidia-glx-177 installed now
[01:21] <JediMaster> and have rebooted since then, but it still doesn't show up in the hardware drivers
[01:22] <crdlb> yeah, there are _four_ different nvidia drivers now, so -glx-legacy, -glx, and -glx-new isn't really viable
[01:22]  * crdlb imagines nvidia-glx-newer
[01:22] <void^> -not-so-new, -kinda-new :)
[01:23] <void^> well, for some reason it didn't recompile the module for me after updating the kernel. so i had to do that with dkms manually. might be the same for you.
[01:25] <JediMaster> what's the kernel module called?
[01:26] <void^> nvidia
[01:26] <JediMaster> hmmm modprobe nvidia doesn't work
[01:27] <void^> what about modinfo nvidia?
[01:27] <JediMaster> can't find the module either
[01:27] <void^> don't have it then
[01:27] <JediMaster> nvidia-glx-177 is installed though
[01:28] <void^> yeah, so see if you can get the module with dkms.
[01:29] <JediMaster> hmm  never used dkms before, but dkms status show nvidia 177.70 installed but for 2.6.26-5
[01:30] <JediMaster> and I have 2.6.27-2-generic installed
[01:30] <void^> something along the lines of dkms build -m nvidia -v 177.70 && dkms install -m nvidia -v 177.70
[01:31] <JediMaster> how about envy, worth trying?
[01:32] <void^> no idea
[01:33] <JediMaster> ok that's now installed thanks, but the hardware driver app still doesn't pick it up
[01:33] <JediMaster> what's the easiest way with xorg now to change the driver now it has all this auto-detection in?
[01:34] <crdlb> you still have to explicitly specify the nvidia driver in the xorg.conf
[01:34] <void^> run depmod, and restart X
[01:36] <JediMaster> what's the module, "glx"?
[01:36] <JediMaster> duh, that's the module not the driver
[01:36] <JediMaster> nm =)
[01:39] <JediMaster> arghh 640x480 on a 37" TFT TV lol
[01:40] <Volkodav> 32 " here same shit
[01:40] <Volkodav> will try dkms thing maybe it will help
[01:41] <JediMaster> hmm monitor line is a plug and play 640x480 screen =/
[01:42] <void^> probably restart gdm, it might be restarting X using the failsafe config
[01:47] <JediMaster> what's the app to select the screen?
[01:47] <JediMaster> can't be bothered to write the config by hand
[01:50] <JediMaster> ahh displayconfig-gtk, that's the one
[01:54] <JediMaster> why when you select LCD Paenl 1360x768 it only gives you the option of up to 1280x768, that's stupid
[01:54] <e\ectro_> I keep receiving an X error that "Maximum number of clients reached" and it wont open anymore x11 apps.  xlib issue?
[01:59] <JediMaster> bah, had to do it by hand and add the modeline for 1360x768, all good now
[02:02] <Volkodav> hmm dlms build helped actually
[02:02] <Volkodav> but fonts are all tiny though
[02:04] <Volkodav> how do I get out of metacity theme manager ?
[02:05] <Turl> run another window manager
[02:05] <Turl> eg emerald --replace
[02:07] <Volkodav> I am in xfce
[02:07] <Volkodav> try gnome maybe ?
[02:25] <dbglt> hi folks, I've just updated to the newest kernel in intrepid. IT seems to add Xen support (which breaks my nvidia-proprietary driver) by default
[02:25] <dbglt> is there any way I can disable Xen w/o having to download and recompile my own kernel?
[02:25] <void^> the packaged nvidia driver seems to have some workarounds.
[02:26] <dbglt> void^: on dialup at the moment, to get that installed it is an extra 70mb :\
[02:26] <dbglt> I already have binary from nvidia.com
[02:28] <void^> not sure how to make that one work, disabling the checks isn't enough.. probably need to apply a patch
[02:28] <dbglt> mmm frustrating. Any way (using the open source nv driver) to get it to output to an external screen, then?
[02:28] <dbglt> don't really need 3d support right away
[02:28] <Volkodav> is there 9.52 64 bit opera out yet ?
[02:32] <bsnider> yes
[02:34] <bsnider> opera doesn't work so well on linux though
[02:37] <Volkodav> well I just installed it - give it a spin see how it behaves
[02:37] <Lhademmor> Okay... I have no idea what happened on my intrepid.. It updated to the 2.6.27-2 kernel, and when I rebooted, it would only run in low graphics mode...
[02:37] <Lhademmor> It won't recognize my graphics card anymore
[02:38] <bsnider> maybe because your xorg has a driver in it that doesn't exist anymore
[02:38] <bsnider> what driver were you using before?
[03:28] <dbglt> Hi I am  running intrepid (I now found out heh) and my sound has stopped working. Not even alsamixer will work. Anyone know how to fix this?
[03:30] <`Matir> what happens with alsamixer?
[03:32] <Volkodav> how come the xkb layouts do not work anymore ?
[04:08] <Nimmers> Hi All... I just upgraded my eeePC from 8.04 to 8.10 but now it freezes when it reaches the username and password screen.  Does anyone know how to resolve this?
[04:17] <`Matir> Nimmers, can you type anything in, or does it immediately freeze?
[04:19] <Nimmers> it immediately freezes, but I can hit ctrl alt F1 to go into the command prompt
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> i cannot use intrepid's build-essential or libtool/automake to build things from source
[04:20] <Nimmers> the text input cursor is flashing but you can't use the keyboard or mouse
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> i reckon i'm doing something terribly wrong
[04:20] <ToHellWithGA> RAOF knows it too
[04:23] <emet> !info google-gadgets
[04:25] <ToHellWithGA> !info kcontrol
[04:25] <ToHellWithGA> that's been another concern of mine
[04:25] <ToHellWithGA> is there a way to tweak kde settings in intrepid?
[04:26] <ToHellWithGA> i generally install k3b and kcontrol so i can (1) burn CDs and (2) turn off all of the kde-based bells and whistles
[04:32] <Nimmers> hi, i want to know how to get into a fail-safe X session
[04:33] <Nimmers> its all input is freezing on logon so i'm assuming it might have something to do with gdm or X
[04:33] <Nimmers> but i can pull up the terminal with ctrl+alt+F1
[04:33] <ToHellWithGA> have you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh"?
[04:34] <ToHellWithGA> that will reset all of the xorg configuration in case it's tweaked badly
[04:34] <Nimmers> alright thanks, gonna give it a try now
[04:37] <Nimmers> alrighty, i tried that command, it reset the x settings but i'm still having the same problem
[04:44] <Nimmers> thanks for your help.  i'm gonna assume it can't be done and am gonna revert back to 8.04.  Cheers anyway lads!
[04:44] <dmoerner> Nimmers, what is your hardware?
[04:46] <ooget> can't boot into my laptop after last kernel update.  i know, this happens with alpha software.  i'm just not sure what to do at this point, if i reinstall, i'd like to be able to shutdown the systerm
[05:18] <Matir`> Anyone had trouble with apparent lockups when leaving their computer idle for a while?
[06:09] <mohkohn> does the eeepc work in intrepid?
[06:26] <Jordan_U> I think I might be getting only 16 bit color, is there an easy way to test if I am or not?
[06:33] <dmoerner> Jordan_U, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i depth
[06:34] <Jordan_U> That says full 24
[06:35] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: Do you see significant banding in the default desktop background?
[06:35] <dmoerner> Jordan_U, I see no problems but i use the elephant skin background on my intrepid installs
[06:35] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: Can you look at the heron image?
[06:36] <dmoerner> Jordan_U, i am not in front of that machine right now, only have ssh access
[06:37] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: Do you faintly visible bands on the gradient of http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ ?
[06:37] <dmoerner> no
[06:38] <Jordan_U> I do, and I see bad banding in the compiz gradient for desktop wall and other areas
[06:42] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: Let me link to screenshot of some really obvious banding ( I am not sure if the problem will show up in a screenshot though )
[06:45] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: http://trogdoor.googlepages.com/bad_banding
[06:48] <dmoerner> Jordan_U, I don't see anything in that photo. sorry
[06:49] <Jordan_U> dmoerner: That's what I suspected, it's just a problem when displayed to the screen, you would have no problem seeing it otherwise
[07:20] <BonezAU> Does anyone know what is wrong with cdimage.ubuntu.com? I was half way through downloading intrepid and it stopped, now the site appears to be down?
[08:24] <BonezAU> Are there any mirrors for the daily build of intrepid or do I have to d/l it from cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[08:24] <bazhang> BonezAU, that site has been down for some hours now
[08:24] <BonezAU> bazhang yes I know, it has just come back online
[08:25] <BonezAU> but it is very slow (i'm in Australia)
[08:25] <bazhang> hmm still wont load here
[08:25] <BonezAU> I was using downthemall (firefox plugin) to download the daily build, I got to 98% completion and they replaced it with a new build so I had to start all over again!!
[08:25] <bazhang> wow thats bad
[08:26] <BonezAU> yeah, i'm only on a 1mbit connection as well :P
[08:26] <BonezAU> to it was a good waste of 600mb and 2 hours
[08:26] <bazhang> ouch
[08:26] <bazhang> capped?
[08:26] <BonezAU> almost all broadband connections in australia have a monthly quota
[08:26] <BonezAU> my limit is 20gb per month @ 1mbps and I pay about $50 a month for it
[08:27] <bazhang> seem to remember there was an au mirror for which that cap did not apply
[08:27] <BonezAU> after you reach your quota they shape your connection to 64/64
[08:27] <BonezAU> yep there are about 5 or so mirrors in my city which do not count towards my quota
[08:27] <BonezAU> but they don't have any intrepid stuff, only stable releases
[08:27] <bazhang> oh no
[08:28] <BonezAU> i've got about 4gb of my quota left and it resets tomorrow so it's not such a big deal, it just takes a long time
[08:28] <bazhang> best to use it up fast then :)
[08:28] <BonezAU> yep may as well make the most of it :)
[09:16] <Sbucatino> updating to intrepid ?
[09:16] <Sbucatino> i have seen how to gutsy to hardy but well no work
[09:16] <Sbucatino> ideas link?
[09:17] <ikonia> Sbucatino: what's the problem ?
[09:19] <Sbucatino> ikonia: my proble is this i have downloaded the cd , i have adde cd to my repo , after i have followed the how to for updating but i am still on kubuntu 8.04
[09:19] <Sbucatino> *problem *added
[09:20] <Sbucatino> how to = the same of gutsy to hardy?
[09:23] <ikonia> sukke: your on an LTS release so you need to update to an none LTS release
[09:23] <ikonia> did you set update-manager to pick the next release rather than lts releases only
[09:25] <Sbucatino> i think you have ubuntu then ikonia
[09:25] <ikonia> yes I have ubuntu
[09:25] <Sbucatino> i have not update-manager
[09:25] <Sbucatino> kubuntu != ubuntu
[09:25] <ikonia> ahhh
[09:25] <ikonia> sorry, I missed you said kubuntu
[09:26] <Sbucatino> well in virtual box...then
[09:26] <Sbucatino> i can't install kubuntu 8.10 cuz that silly bug with virtual box anyway i know with a different kernel i can use it
[09:27] <ikonia> I'm not great with the kde package managers, so I'm not %100 the best guy to ask, but I'd assume the same is true in that LTS and non-LTS releases will be tagged different
[09:27] <Sbucatino> so i have to upgrade kubuntu 8.04------> 8.10
[09:27] <Sbucatino> :S i have the cd rom and still i can't install it
[09:27] <Sbucatino> ikonia: well xD update-manager doesn't exist
[09:28] <Sbucatino> just tried with alt f2
[09:28] <ikonia> Sbucatino: no, it wont on kde
[09:28] <Sbucatino> have you the link for upgrading ?
[09:29] <Sbucatino> cuz i can 't findo out anymore :S
[09:29] <ikonia> Sbucatino: what link ?
[09:29] <Sbucatino> guty->hardy
[09:29] <Sbucatino> or hardy --> intrepid
[09:29] <Sbucatino> if exist
[09:30] <ikonia> !upgrade
[09:37] <Sbucatino> mm should i modify maybe source.list?
[09:40] <stdin> Sbucatino: try "kdesu adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[09:41] <stdin> actually "kdesu -- adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[09:44] <Sbucatino> stdin:  hahah fantastic kdesu adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel
[09:44] <Sbucatino> it doesn't work
[09:44] <Sbucatino> instead with sudo works
[09:44] <Sbucatino> :S
[09:46] <Sbucatino> ok 1 hour of my life wasted for this damned kommander qt4
[09:48] <stdin> Sbucatino: don't use it with sudo, use the 2nd command I gave
[09:48] <Sbucatino> i know i know the isse
[09:48] <Sbucatino> ah
[09:50] <Sbucatino> stdin: no it's doesnt work
[09:50] <stdin> what doesn't?
[09:51] <Sbucatino> the first , the second you have written
[09:51] <stdin> "kdesu -- adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" brings up Adept with a "Version Upgrade" button
[09:51] <Sbucatino> i know with sudo i have seen
[09:51] <stdin> just copy/paste the line
[09:52] <Sbucatino> but with kdesudo it's doesn't worki
[09:52] <stdin> it does, I just did it ;)
[09:53] <Sbucatino> o -.-'' i was on virtual box and i have written wrong wt*
[09:55] <Sbucatino> stdin: mm ok made but when i click finish ?? i should do something?
[09:56] <Sbucatino> omg was so easy in other versions
[09:56] <stdin> it should, I haven't gotten around to upgrading with it yet
[09:57] <Sbucatino> all this silly things becasue i have to develop a application in qt4
[09:57] <Sbucatino> -.-''
[09:57] <Sbucatino> i love kde3 sigh
[09:58] <stdin> you don't need kde4 to use Qt4 apps
[09:58] <Sbucatino> really i have to install kommande-kde4
[09:59] <stdin> and you need intrepid for that, why?
[10:00] <Sbucatino> so just because i have tried to install kommander-kde4 on 8.04 = fucked distro
[10:00] <Sbucatino> xD
[10:01] <stdin> why did it fail?
[10:01] <Sbucatino> i think it need of libc6 hehe
[10:01] <Sbucatino> needs
[10:01] <stdin> libc6 is always installed, everything needs it
[10:01] <stdin> it's the standard C library
[10:01] <Sbucatino> yes but... the new
[10:01] <Sbucatino> i think
[10:01] <stdin> well, I just installed kommander-kde4 here on 8.04
[10:02] <Sbucatino> o shit
[10:02] <stdin> can you try to not swear here :)
[10:02] <Sbucatino> mm maybe i have made some mistake here on virtual box
[10:04] <Sbucatino> well on my repository there is not kommander-kde4
[10:04] <Sbucatino> on 8.04
[10:04] <stdin> do you have the kde4 PPA?
[10:04] <Sbucatino> no i have kde3 of course
[10:05] <stdin> you'll want the PPA to get a decent KDE4 version
[10:05] <Sbucatino> anyway on virtual box i have kde4
[10:05] <stdin> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[10:05] <Sbucatino> yeah on virtual box i have that
[10:05] <Sbucatino> mm
[10:05] <Sbucatino> or not just checkin now
[10:08] <Sbucatino> :( well i am hating kde4
[10:08] <Sbucatino> why now if i write kdesudo konqueror it doesn't work
[10:11] <stdin> because sudo (and so kdesudo) in hardy will only search /sbin, /bin, /usr/sbin and /usr/bin for applications
[10:12] <Sbucatino> ok anyway i have got it
[10:15] <Sbucatino> stdin: you saved my life
[10:15] <Sbucatino> xD
[10:16] <Sbucatino> stdin: should i ask you if you know qdbus application ?
[10:16] <Sbucatino> i was using kdcop on kde3
[10:16] <stdin> yeah, I've used qdbus quite a bit
[10:17] <stdin> qdbus is like dcop, and qdbusviewer is like kdcop
[10:17] <Sbucatino> o yea that was the name
[10:56] <TheInfinity> hmm
[10:56] <TheInfinity> why is aptitude missing in intrepid? :o
[11:15] <dbglt> since updating, my sound is screwed
[11:15] <dbglt> any idea on how to fix? :\
[11:15] <dbglt> can't even open alsamixer
[11:19] <BonezAU___> grr what is wrong with cdimage.ubuntu.com :(
[11:20] <jpds> BonezAU___: Looks okay to me.
[11:22] <BonezAU___> The connection was refused when attempting to contact cdimage.ubuntu.com.
[11:22] <BonezAU___> it's been up and down like a yoyo for about the past 4 hours
[11:22] <BonezAU___> it comes and goes
[11:23] <dbglt> any else having any problems with sound? :\
[11:23] <jpds> BonezAU___: It is a server on limited resources.
[11:23] <BonezAU___> i am trying to download a daily build of intrepid and I have paused and resumed it about 12 times in the past 2 hours and it's only up to 59% :(
[11:24] <jpds> BonezAU___: I downloaded that fine yesterday.
[11:24] <BonezAU___> yeah, I was downloading the daily build ISO this afternoon and it got to 98% and then they removed it and replaced it with today's daily build
[11:24] <BonezAU___> LOL
[11:25] <BonezAU___> waste of time that was... so I started to download it again
[11:25] <BonezAU___> but the server keeps going down
[11:25] <BonezAU___> i'm only on a 1mbps connection too so it takes about 1.5 hours to download
[11:49] <Sbucatino> ok anyway
[12:32] <dawynn> Having trouble with the nvidia proprietary driver.  Currently using nv (I believe), but I don't see my driver noted in xorg.conf.  What is the proper "Ubuntu" way to switch drivers (say to nouveau)?
[12:33] <dawynn> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" no longer asks anything about the video driver.  So, what is the proper tool to change the video driver?
[12:34] <TheInfinity> dawynn: nv is used by default
[12:34] <TheInfinity> if its not noted its nv
[12:34] <TheInfinity> and you should use restriced driver manager to change this
[12:35] <dawynn> Except the nvidia drivers are not working.  At least not for me.
[12:36] <TheInfinity> afaik there are some bugs with nvidia atm
[12:36] <TheInfinity> -> jsut wait for the fix. its alpha software :)
[12:36] <TheInfinity> bug is already reported
[12:37] <dawynn> Not trying to change to restricted nvidia driver.  Trying to change to nouveau.  But somewhere around Gutsy / Hardy, they split out what used to be in the xserver-org reconfigure script.
[12:37] <dawynn> I'd just like to know where everything went, and what we're supposed to use now.
[12:37] <dawynn> Now the xerver-xorg reconfigure script deals with keyboards and mice specifically.  No monitors, no video drivers.
[12:37] <TheInfinity> its new xorg
[12:38] <TheInfinity> since xorg 7.3 it autodetects most things
[12:39] <TheInfinity> it still reads xorg.conf, but you have to write xorg.conf options for your own, per default most things work with autodetect and without xorg.conf
[12:39] <dawynn> OK... But what if we would like to change something that isn't getting set up in the xorg.conf file anymore?  Where did it go?  What now tells my system to even use nv (or vesa, or whatever its using) since this is not in xorg.conf?
[12:39] <TheInfinity> xorg.conf is just there for forcing xorg to do something
[12:40] <TheInfinity> xorg works xompletely without it
[12:40] <TheInfinity> *completely
[12:40] <dawynn> OK.  When I try the nvidia driver in xorg.conf, there's a window that pops up when X starts saying that it can't handle the driver, and is going to low-res mode.  At that point, it let me go to *something* that would allow me to pick monitors and hardware drivers.  What is that something?
[12:42] <TheInfinity> option 1) your xorg.conf is wrong, option 2) if you use intrepid: nvidia drivers are broken
[12:43] <SwedeMike> dawynn: one kludge to get to that low-res mode is to remove xorg.conf and then start gdm and as soon as the x-server starts, just kill it with cltr-alt-backspace three times
[12:43] <SwedeMike> actually, intrepid nvidia 177 drivers work just fine for me, I re-installed yesterday. Single screen, 1920x1200, 7600GT
[12:44] <TheInfinity> SwedeMike: ah fixed already? huh.
[12:44] <SwedeMike> I don't know, this is the first time I run intrepid
[12:44] <TheInfinity> it was broken yesterday
[12:45] <TheInfinity> seems to be a fast bugfix ;)
[12:45] <SwedeMike> oki, I installed intrepid and fixed the graphics yesterday afternoon european time
[12:46]  * TheInfinity just has vm installations, so ... no chance to test it for myself
[12:47] <SwedeMike> otoh I can't boot 2.6.26 or 2.6.27 with either 8500GT or 6200LE, but the 7600GT works fine. The kernel will go into immediate spurious interrupt vector 9c (I sent an email to lkml regarding this a few hours ago)
[12:49] <SwedeMike> I also have ipv6 trouble with 2.6.27, just filed a bug regarding that as well
[14:43] <ToHellWithGA> SwedeMike: you have a lot of video cards
[14:44] <ToHellWithGA> in case you didn't know that already :-P
[14:44] <ToHellWithGA> is there someone here who could help me with trouble building and installing software using intrepid's build-essential, automake, libtool packages?
[14:45] <ToHellWithGA> i reinstalled alpha 4 and brought it up to current in case that was causing my problems
[14:45] <SwedeMike> ToHellWithGA: yeah, I actually purchased that 8500GT friday to test with, but it's going back monday because most of the times the computer wont even POST with it, (it gets stuck in the initial gfx card bios display)
[14:46] <ToHellWithGA> oh boo that
[14:46] <ToHellWithGA> no onboard video?
[14:46] <ToHellWithGA> back in the day when i used video cards rather than just onboard video i still used boards with onboard video
[14:46] <SwedeMike> yes, but that doesn't work in any version either (via)
[14:46] <ToHellWithGA> helped me troubleshoot the second card
[14:46] <ToHellWithGA> s/second/pci/
[14:47] <ToHellWithGA> that's a bummer, man
[14:47] <ToHellWithGA> i've turned 100% intel
[14:47] <ToHellWithGA> i feel like i'm helping the 800 pound gorilla hold all the little chip manufacturers down, but boy howdy is it easy when all of my video/network hardware has linux support from the get-go
[14:48] <SwedeMike> yeah, so I have the interesting dilemma where the 7600GT won't display properly, the 6200LE won't boot with 2.6.26 or later, and neither will the 8500GT; and the onboard via gfx will lock up around 5-10 seconds into the installation X session. So.. I had to endure the 7600GT mangled display and make it thru the installation anyway
[14:48] <SwedeMike> installation for alpha4
[14:48] <ToHellWithGA> can you update the firmware on the cards?
[14:49] <SwedeMike> hm, yes, I guess I could try that, didn't consider it. I'll try the 8500GT in my other computer as well before returning it
[14:49] <ToHellWithGA> i remember way back in the day updating my Diamond Viper V330 card and my Powercolor Kyro II helped a ton with glitchy behaviors
[14:49] <ToHellWithGA> those are the two most recent non-intel/non-integrated video chips i've used
[14:49] <ToHellWithGA> i plugged the V330 in for giggles and poops the other day
[14:50] <ToHellWithGA> took 35 seconds to do a compiz "burn" minimize effect
[15:31] <ForgeAus> uh is there going to be a kde3 intrepid?
[15:31] <ForgeAus> (ah kubuntu I mean)
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> ForgeAus: nope
[15:47] <ForgeAus> ouch :(
[15:47] <ForgeAus> kde4 < kde3 sofar...
[15:47] <ForgeAus> I mean not that kde4 isn't good, its just not there yet, and I'd still rather keep my default desktop at kde3...
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> do you still need help getting KDE 3.5.10 in Hardy?
[15:48] <ForgeAus> I havn't tried, afaik its in backports for hardy
[15:48] <ForgeAus> but thats not the issue
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it is
[15:49] <ForgeAus> its the upgrade to intrepid destroying my beloved kde3 :(
[15:49] <ForgeAus> can't you have a .kde3 (so .kde is free for kde4?)
[15:49] <ForgeAus> since .kde is going to be replaced...
[15:50] <ForgeAus> its not that I"m worried about change, its just that I'm not ready for it, although until I am I'm happy to run both...
[15:50] <ForgeAus> (or at the very LEAST have a choice)
[15:50] <ForgeAus> (I mean like now there is one, .kde for kde3 and .kde4 for kde4)
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah, we also had to patch all of the kde4 packages to use .kde4
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> and give them -kde4 endings
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> which made sudo not work with them
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> since we had to install them in a non-standard location too
[15:51] <ForgeAus> what I mean is I'm not saying KDE4 is bad or anything just that kde3 is better still, so I odn't see why I should be forced to go KDE4...
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> well, you aren't forced to upgrade to Intrepid :P
[15:53] <ForgeAus> hmmm... true... but couldn't you at least wait until KDE4 was up to KDE3 standards before changing the default?
[15:53] <ForgeAus> not that I don't like KDE4 I just don't want it as my default desktop yet...
[15:54] <ForgeAus> right now I have both installed (well not on this PC still upgrading from feisty here but thats another tsory, will have both soon anyway)...
[15:54] <ForgeAus> but I mostly use KDE3
[15:55] <ForgeAus> actually I'm suprised it's just sudo that didn't work lol
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu-devel felt that KDE4 was a suitable replacement
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> opinions are tricky things aren't they?
[15:57] <ForgeAus> I wouldn't use the term suitable I'd use the term adequate
[15:58] <ForgeAus> as much as to say that KDE4 is a usable desktop its just not as good as a kde3 one yet...
[15:59] <ForgeAus> am I making sense? or do you think I'm lying?
[16:04] <G_009> user switcher applet: nice
[16:05] <ForgeAus> yeah handy :)
[16:05] <G_009> this new incantation is better than the previous
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> Nah, I don't think you're lying or anything
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> Anybody who says that somebody is wrong for preferring kde3.5 should be punched
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> because KDE 3.5 is a nice desktop with 7 years of accumulated bugfixes and features
[16:06]  * G_009 votes gnome
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:07] <ForgeAus> exactly Jon
[16:07] <ForgeAus> lol G_009 ... gnome sux
[16:07]  * JontheEchidna puts on flame shield
[16:08] <G_009> congrats on making kde work for you
[16:09] <ForgeAus> easy for me G_009, then again I'm coming in as a Windows user, just a few customizations and KDE almost feels like home
[16:10] <G_009> i use both systems .. so when i switch to linux i rather taste linux
[16:10] <ForgeAus> gnome on the other hand seems to have too much pointless redundancy and totally icky default themes ... (of course themes can be changed)
[16:10] <ForgeAus> I mean I know theres always blubuntu :)
[16:11] <G_009> thats a matter of opinion .. ibex gnome is just right and fully customizable..
[16:12] <G_009> even so.. i still use the new (default) dark theme
[16:13] <ForgeAus> still themes are only the look of stuff you can always change a pixel to look differently... whats harder is functionality...
[16:13] <ForgeAus> oh and as for fully customizable I don't know a piece of KDE that isn't...
[16:14] <ForgeAus> in fact the worst part of KDE I find is that some ubuntu packages don't seem to realize some apps are wm agnostic so they want to install unnecessary gnome components along with them!
[16:14] <G_009> gnome appeals to me because i dont care for glossy taskbars 5cm wide.. :-P
[16:15] <ForgeAus> AWN being a major one in that category...
[16:15] <ForgeAus> you can always auto-hide the taskbar :) I do
[16:15] <ForgeAus> maximizes my screen realestate :)
[16:16] <G_009> i used to have AWN in gnome .. it was cool.. but i got tired of it.. i guess am just a minimalist type
[16:16] <ForgeAus> gnome is minimalist? rofl!
[16:16] <ForgeAus> it has two bars not just one, and it's chunky as
[16:16] <ForgeAus> not that KDE is all that slim I must admit
[16:17] <ForgeAus> wouldn't XFCE fit you better according to your preferences there...
[16:17] <G_009> the way i see it .. i only see icons and a few letters on my screen; my theme is my bg image
[16:17] <ForgeAus> or more still Fluxbox!
[16:18] <ForgeAus> hehe the way I see it I odn't even have icons (althouhg I could have if I wanted)... but I don't even have letters until I unhide the taskbar...
[16:18] <ForgeAus> so this KDE is even more bg-oriented, as long as I don't have an app running infront of it...
[16:19] <G_009> i do agree with XFCE too.. but somehow i still prefer gnome .. like i said.. just a matter of taste .. but you wouldnt catch me using kde
[16:19] <ForgeAus> although I do admit much of my taskbar is glossy and icons instead of text, so the letters thing is kinda a misnomer there)
[16:20] <ForgeAus> G_009 sorry can't seem to connect with you on that one...
[16:20] <ForgeAus> (at least the last bit, the XFCE bit I can see why of course...
[16:20] <ForgeAus> but even XFCE is a little too Gnome-like for me
[16:21] <ForgeAus> at least its pager bar down the bottom is auto-hideable hehe)
[16:21] <G_009> i think that kde could be a tool to make windows users feel more comfy about the switch.. but thats not my area
[16:22] <ForgeAus> well thats one use of KDE.. then again it can even have a Mac-like personality if you prefer
[16:22] <G_009> i dislike mac's 'phylosophy' .. am a pc type
[16:22] <ForgeAus> but seriously I don't see it as windows-user oriented, I mean I had to customize it to act that way...
[16:23] <G_009> i know what you mean...
[16:24] <ForgeAus> I actually don't even like how Dolphin is kinda Vista/Nautilus-ized with its breadcrumbs bar...
[16:24] <ForgeAus> I prefer Konqui as a filemanager/browser, but then Konqui is no firefox...
[16:24] <ForgeAus> soon there's going to be a Qt-firefox tho...
[16:24] <ForgeAus> hehe I bet CNR will still depend on the default one...
[16:25] <ForgeAus> if only I could lie to apt! rofl
[16:25] <G_009> that's in your wishlist i guess
[16:26] <ForgeAus> which particular that? I've already toyed with CNR...
[16:26] <ForgeAus> qtfirefox I havn't tried yet
[16:26] <ForgeAus> I still got the regular kind
[16:27] <ForgeAus> actually I think Gentoo users can already bind it (or GTK?) to QT anyway
[16:28] <G_009> i wouldnt know.. but it's like putting a ZZ1 engine in a ford truck.. possible
[16:48] <e\ectro_> I keep receiving an X error that "Maximum number of clients reached" and it wont open anymore x11 apps.  xlib issue?
[17:10] <DanaG> Argh, for me, Gnome login hangs unless I start 'failsafe terminal' and then manually do 'dbus-launch gnome-session'.
[17:13] <dmoerner> does anyone have a problem where pressing the "up" key is suddenly matched to printscreen?
[17:25] <Mot> why wont boot  intrepid with the new kernel ?
[17:25] <Mot> older ones works normal
[17:31] <Mot> 2.27 runs in busy box 26 runs normal
[17:41] <perillux> how can I upgrade to kernel 2.6.26 or 2.6.27 ??
[17:41] <dmoerner> perillux, both are in intrepid by default
[17:42] <perillux> I was asked to by the kernel dev team if I would test a problem I'm having and see if it still happens in kernel 2.6.27
[17:43] <perillux> so how would I do that?
[17:43] <perillux> dmoerner:
[17:43] <dmoerner> are you running intrepid or hardy at the moment?
[17:43] <perillux> dmoerner: hardy
[17:44] <perillux> how would i switch to intrepid?
[17:44] <dmoerner> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=646755 this guide explains gutsy -> hardy the same applies for hardy -> intrepid
[17:47] <perillux> they are going to release a live cd for intrepid soon aren't they?
[17:47] <perillux> not an official on or anything..
[17:47] <perillux> one*
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> there have been livecds since alpha1
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> well actually no
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> llike alpha3
[17:48] <dmoerner> perillux, http://beryllium.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/alpha-4/
[17:48] <perillux> well is there anyway that I can test kernel 2.6.27 or *.26 and then revert back to my current kernel?
[17:54] <Awsoonn> perillux: when you boot your computer you can select what kernel to use in grub.
[17:56] <perillux> hmm sorry if this is a silly question.  But from what I've been reading it seems possible to test suspend from the Live CD without having to install it.  Is that correct?
[17:56] <Awsoonn> hummmm, well I don't see why not really, but I'm not sure to be honest
[17:57] <perillux> 1 more question.  Is there a way for me to switch to intrepid, without having to make a cd and reinstall my whole OS?
[17:57] <Awsoonn> you can install it in virtualbox
[17:58] <Awsoonn> try it out, play around, so such and so forth. You will miss out on accelerated 3D however
[18:00] <perillux> I'd rather do it right though, and actually have it installed and running.  Because virtualBox can't be that reliable for testing things (specific to hardware) can it?
[18:00] <Awsoonn> right, You would only be testing the software, not the hardware portions of intrepid in that case
[18:01] <bazhang> perillux, you need to install intrepid?
[18:01] <perillux> ok, so my only option then is to make a LiveCD and reinstall everything?
[18:01] <perillux> I think so
[18:02] <perillux> the kernel dev team really just asked me to test kernel 2.6.27
[18:02] <Awsoonn> What I would do is when installing intrepid, install it in a separate partition, then you can have your stable 8.04 and yoru devel 8.10
[18:02] <perillux> I'm a noob to all this though
[18:02] <Awsoonn> soon to be non-newb though :)
[18:03] <perillux> so do you all think I should really test the full Intrepid Ibex or just the kernel with hardy?
[18:07] <perillux> Awsoonn: also if I do install Intrepid, will synaptic keep me up to date with all the changes they make to intrepid as it develops?
[18:10] <perillux> bazhang: Awsoonn: JontheEchidna: dmoerner:    anyone there?
[18:11] <perillux> anyone?  I really just want to know if synaptic will keep me up to date with intrepid changes if I switch to intrepid?
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> yes, it will
[18:12] <perillux> thanks
[18:12] <perillux> some people who have been having suspend problems like me are reporting to have success in intrepid so I'm gonna give it a try
[18:13] <dmoerner> perillux, it might be worth trying on a temporary partition since downgrades are impossible
[18:19] <alex_mayorga> hi, any jockey devs?
[18:19] <alex_mayorga> I'm seeing this one right now bug #255889
[18:24] <alex_mayorga> any info that I must gather?
[18:32] <bsnider> there's already a confirmed bug, so i wouldn't worry about it
[18:36] <alex_mayorga> bsnider, thanks
[18:41] <DanaG> Argh, for me, Gnome login hangs unless I start 'failsafe terminal' and then manually do 'dbus-launch gnome-session'.
[19:02] <DanaG> Hmm, the new wave theme does look nice... but I like rounded stuff.
[19:41] <mifritscher> hi
[19:41] <mifritscher> will be uml or xen be updated?
[20:52] <JackTheBiscuit> Just a quick one I've lost my resolution (now 800x600) on my nvidia graphics card I think on saturday does anyone know a quick fix
[20:52] <JackTheBiscuit> or if anyone is experiencing similar problems
[20:53] <bsnider> you've lost your resolution?
[20:53] <bsnider> where did you last have it?
[20:53] <JackTheBiscuit> tut
[20:53] <JackTheBiscuit> lol
[20:54] <bsnider> what is it supposed to be?
[20:54] <JackTheBiscuit> some 16:9 thing 1440x900 or the one below that
[20:54] <bsnider> and which driver are you running?
[20:55] <JackTheBiscuit> I just installed the 177 driver but I've tried 173
[20:55] <bsnider> is the 177 driver actually loaded right now?
[20:55] <JackTheBiscuit> I don't think so
[20:55] <bsnider> can you pastebin your xorg.conf file please?
[20:56] <JackTheBiscuit> Okeydoke
[21:02] <simosx> How can I find out with which Xorg version is Ubuntu 8.10 going to ship? Is it the released version (sometime in spring, which is now in Alpha4) and will not change in the following alphas/betas/etc?
[21:03] <bsnider> probably xorg 7.4, because it should be released this week now that mesa 7.1 is finished
[21:04] <bsnider> and the current version is one of its release candidates
[21:05] <simosx> bsnider: thanks.
[21:36] <perillux> I'm trying to install Intrepid with the minimal CD
[21:37] <perillux> but when I put the cd in and turn it on I just see "boot: " and I can type
[21:37] <perillux> how do I proceeed?
[21:37] <void^> if you just press return?
[21:37] <perillux> ok I will try it
[21:39] <perillux> void^: is that it though?  will I have to do or type anything else?
[21:45] <alex-weej> anyone know anything about Flash just plain not working in Intrepid?
[21:45] <alex-weej> everything is just a grey box
[21:45] <alex-weej> on amd64
[21:46] <alex-weej> and there are little flash-object-sized windows popping up as i browse
[21:46] <alex-weej> if i close any of them, the browser exits
[23:08] <jason_> is anyone here using Intrepid right now?
[23:09] <jason_> I just installed intrepid with the minimal CD.
[23:10] <jason_> when it started all I got was a command line, but I did "sudo apt-get install gdm" and restarted and now I have an interface
[23:10] <jason_> just wondering if anyone can help me know what other packages I might be missing...
[23:10] <bsnider> install ubuntu-desktop
[23:11] <jason_> thanks
[23:11] <jason_> also I noticed that when I click the "shutdown" button it doesn't give me the option to suspend
[23:12] <bsnider> doesn't work anyway
[23:12] <jason_> I was asked to test suspend under intrepid
[23:12] <bsnider> asked by who?
[23:12] <jason_> the kernel dev team.  it was really the 2.6.27 kernel they wanted tested.
[23:13] <jason_> but I figured it would be better to just switch to intrepid so I could properly test it
[23:13] <bsnider> maybe it will be there after the ubuntu-desktop metapackage is in there
[23:13] <jason_> that's what I'm thinking.  or else I could just do s2disk or s2both I guess.
[23:14] <jason_> bsnider: why do you say that it doesn't work anyway?
[23:15] <bsnider> all of the shutdown/restart etc. buttons do nothing in intrepid right now
[23:15] <bsnider> you can log out, that's about it
[23:15] <jason_> so how do u shutdown then?  sudo poweroff ??
[23:16] <bsnider> the buttons work at the logon screen
[23:16] <bsnider> but not within gnome
[23:16] <jason_> is there a suspend button in there?
[23:16] <bsnider> i think so
[23:17] <jacob> if you have fast-user-switch applet on your panel in gnome, you can use those menu entries to reboot/shutdown and they will work, at least they do here
[23:17] <bsnider> never tried that
[23:39] <DanaG> Heh, I just figured out why my Gnome session was broken.
[23:39] <DanaG> Running strace on it showed that it was getting "EAGAIN" on the 'connect' function (on a socket).
[23:39] <DanaG> Look in the manpages for 'connect':
[23:40] <DanaG> EAGAIN No more free local ports or insufficient entries in the routing cache.  For PF_INET see the net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range sysctl in ip(7) on how to increase the number of local ports.
[23:41] <DanaG> So..... how do I fix that?
[23:44] <bsnider> is gnome 2.24 supposed to be in intrepid?
[23:57] <jason_> I'm using intrepid bsnider
[23:57] <jason_> I can check for u if u tell me how
[23:59] <RAOF> bsnider: Yes, of course.