[00:36] Weeeee [00:36] Pici fails [00:41] he does [00:41] epicly [00:42] hopefully, he will not give "War and Peace" a run for it's money [00:53] poor pici [00:53] * Myrtti huggles everyone [00:54] wubs you all, take care, see you on the other side of my dreams [00:54] sleep well, Myrtti [00:58] * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti goodnight [01:21] In ubottu, buahhaha said: my script is full of entries like this: cp "/media/sda4/mp3sall/mp3/A-Ha - Love Is Reason.mp3" /home/mj/copymp3sanddeletethen [01:23] chanbotX approved? [01:26] can someone remove 'ubuntu' from the exploit quarantine? [01:26] elkbuntu: does that require more than removing the ban? ie do will the bots be confused? [01:26] yes [01:27] just log on with an ubuntu nick and get tested [01:27] right? [01:27] there is a less manual way, but that works [01:31] so USERNAME is just a troll right? [01:32] I'm... pretty sure, yeah. [01:32] but, waiting for a few more offtopic comments first [01:32] self-extinguishing troll. my favourite type [01:33] ok, it's strange, but I just got a service credit for 1/4 of my normal server bill for reccomending someone, and i have no idea who they are, or where I reccomended them [01:33] I think he thinks if he joins and leaves occassionally, we wont notice its him ad he can get a few oddball comments in [01:34] Flannel, my thought too [01:36] * Flannel wonders if wols embodies unops nick occassionally. [01:36] so, KevinO, chanbot(2|3), ] [01:37] it... may be a bot? [01:37] Flannel, whois it [01:38] Mmm, chanbot3 was signed on to the account "chanbot" [01:38] and, check the cloak too [01:38] kevino is a bot though [01:39] I was pretty sure it was a bot, is it an allowed bot? [01:39] doubted [01:39] I assumed, but wanted to at least ask someone else. [01:40] Flannel, oh, and as for unop, he's from #debian ... just like wols. seeing a theme here? [01:40] makes sense. [01:43] * chanbot2 :No such nick/channel * chanbot3 :No such nick/channel * Kevin0 :No such nick/channel * chanbot3 :No such nick/channel * kevino :No such nick/channel [01:44] Mez: you're so... 6, 5, 4, 3 minutes ago (or whatever the times were) [01:44] But, he's apparently not a bot, just setting up ana lternative nick, and forgot he was in channels [01:44] Eh... and apparently giving me flack in #u [01:45] maybe that's the bot talking. [01:45] someone else want to poke him in a PM, see if he responds in channel? [01:46] as in, responds in an automated manner. [01:46] it's a user [01:47] I... believe you now. Although a few minutes ago, not so much. [01:47] nickspamming anyway. And not very friendly about it at that. [01:47] he's been in #freenode, trying to setup the account [01:48] nalioth: Whats with the bot cloak then? [01:48] is this an alternative nick for a bot then? [01:48] yes, he was setting it up for his bot [01:49] Sounds good. Reminding him we don't allow bots in #ubuntu shouldn't have gotten such a horrid response in the channel though. [01:54] Hello is there any reason that an ubuntu op should pm me messages instead of just adressing me in the channel directly. [01:55] Dimitrov, yes, unless you want 1200 people to also suspect you're breaking rules. [01:55] elkbuntu, i thought that was the way it was generally handled. [01:56] and i was breaking no rules. [01:56] Dimitrov, your cloak suggests otherwise, and the last thing we want is 1200 actual bots in the channel 'because he gets to' [01:57] elkbuntu, my cloak is old. i have dropped the chanbot nick. and i was in the process of getting a new one when i was pm's by ubuntu op [01:58] sometimes you need to accept that we do things the way we do because we are experienced enough to know it's the safest way [01:58] the only thing i was doing was changing my nick to find a suitable one. I do not need Ubuntu ops pm'ing me. they have always sent me messages in the channel, and i dont see why this time should be any different [01:59] Dimitrov: i've informed them of your intentions. perhaps you should leave populated channels next time you plan on a bunch of nick changes . . . [02:00] nalioth, thanks, i informed them from the get go thats what happened. I thought i was being pm'ed by a freenode staffer [02:02] Heaven forbid I keep it discrete. [02:04] i've no idea if my coments got through, since my bip decided to start ignoring my connection [02:05] elkbuntu: We got... cloak suggests otherwise, and sometimes you need to accept [02:05] that's all there was [02:05] cool [02:05] I guess I'll just have to spam factoids in the future (might I add, which also send PMs) [02:07] gkffjcs_, did you read the topic of #ubuntu-read-topic? [02:07] I cannot join #ubuntu, it says I'm vonerable to some sort of attack, the sit that it links too says to change your port to 8001, which I have done, yet I still cannot connect to #ubuntu, it also says it might be a problem with my router, I can connect to #ubuntu on several other machines on the subnet behind my nat. [02:08] gkffjcs_, you're in quarantine still. you need to get yourself tested. read all the instructions in there [02:08] ps, why can I connect to #kubuntu, and #kubuntu-kde4? [02:09] because they dont quarantine affected users [02:09] gkffjcs_, did you re-read the instructions in the topic yet? [02:12] got it working! [02:12] amazing how reading *all* the instructions helps, hey ;) [02:13] if you have no further issues, we do prefer this channel be kept clear so we know who needs help [02:14] Thanks for the attitude................. [02:14] o.O [02:15] * Flannel wonders if everyone has a chip on their shoulder today. [02:15] i think so [02:17] i think i was supposed to apologise and/or cheer for his inability to read instructions, and newfound ability to do so. [02:18] Maybe you should have simple reminded him to read the entire topic [05:21] SeaPhor called the ops in #ubuntu (Jacob_Laptop) [08:08] elkbuntu: Since when do hawks eat bugs? [08:12] Flannel: er, since there has been small hawks? [08:15] Interesting. Kites eat mainly insects. I always thought it was critters. [08:17] linky? [08:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_of_prey [08:18] Kites, under types [08:18] I always thought they hovered looking for mice and stuff. [08:19] Flannel, as someone who's actually cared for injured wildlife, some will eat anything that moves and can fit down their throat. it can be a bit of chopped meat wiggling in front of them for all they care [08:19] the fun part is keeping your fingertips [08:19] yup [08:21] elkbuntu: Most animals do, but thats not really the point [08:21] s/do/will/ [08:21] although, having fuzzies is always ideal, a bit of chopped roadkill is just as good. [08:23] * Myrtti grunts and gets up from the bed [11:04] !postfix [11:04] postfix is the default !MTA and !MDA on Ubuntu. For help, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto - See also !MailServer [11:15] ikonia: *sigh* [11:15] ? [11:15] the school kid ? [11:15] Yeah. [11:15] I know, I know [12:00] are you aware of any widely used irc clients, aside from irssi i guess, where clicking on a posted channel name *doesn't* make you join the channel? [12:02] weechat [12:02] xchat [12:02] xchat doesn't do that? [12:02] pff [12:02] -EJUSTSTOPUSINGKONVERSATION :p [12:02] konversation does it, no problem there [12:02] it shows them as a link, but doesn't do anything on click (only right-click menu) [12:03] i'm thinking we should change the !language factoids so we don't have to keep explaining how to join *after* giving them [12:03] but putting a dozen /join's in them breaks them somehow [12:04] right click might work although it's a bit more involved (but konversation can also work with right click, what about weechat jpds?) [12:04] No idea, I use irssi. [12:04] ah [12:05] even if you radically change all the factoids so they say "type: /join #blah", that's still obscure to a good percentage of people, as it seems awkward to them that they'd have to type that in the channel window [12:06] clicking on a "link" on the other hand is someone everyone is pretty accustomed to (although they apparently still don't do it unless they're told) [12:07] !irc [12:07] A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines [12:07] that should include a short guide to irc [12:08] if you know of one that's decent [12:09] xchat-gnome, lostirc, loqui, pidgin — KDE client: konversation, ksirc, kopete, kvirc — client: xchat — console client: irssi, weechat [12:09] any others? [12:09] chatzilla [12:10] Myrtti: that's the one embedded in netscape? [12:10] seamonkey-chatzilla yeah [12:11] argh it's not in bestbot's package db, i guess i have to update it [12:14] just someone tell me about xchat-gnome and pigdin, i'll try the others, but i don't want to get gnome installed on me [12:15] xchat-gnome is rubbish compared to xchat au natural [12:16] ompaul: ok but does it open channels when you click on them [12:16] yes [12:16] alright [12:16] unfortunately you have to have it open first ;-) [12:16] err? [12:17] the -gnome thing is just horrible [12:17] ah... [12:17] it sucks. [12:17] well i don't care, but people use it [12:17] in fact horrible is too soft a phrase [12:17] *especially* people who might not know how to join channels [12:17] the sad thing is, as of hardy, it was the only dedicated irc client in main [12:17] LjL, better to advocate xchat [12:17] weechat and irssi, i somehow doubt it [12:17] depends on terminal [12:17] Myrtti, and main is not the only thing that comes in repos [12:18] anymore... [12:18] ompaul: it's not a matter of advocating, read above, i'm trying to make the "!language | nickname, ok but how do i join???" thing stop [12:18] ack [12:18] and putting /join in every factoid is not it [12:18] LjL, sorry was off at the feeding house [12:18] actually houses [12:18] it was fun [12:18] coffee! [12:19] * Myrtti hugs her pink moka pot [12:19] now i wonder how i make kopete join irc [12:19] and why my kicker, *which allegedly was just fixed a lot*, just crashed [12:19] *bwurp* [12:19] nom. [12:20] btw there is a fun thread on my local lug which has to do with my passion for awarding pints of beer for things done in a geek fashion [12:20] you could choose water if you wanted or soft drink of choice also [12:20] sure - I've just not had any coffee in about two days [12:20] ... arcnet.vapor.com? [12:20] ah - sorry [12:20] no coffee [12:20] that's the network that kopete joins by default? [12:20] me no brain [12:21] well providing the emporium actually serves it [12:21] are the irc client packages in ubuntu striving to keep #ubuntu and #kubuntu at low traffic levels...? [12:22] LjL, that could be a plan [12:23] ompaul: well it's not a plan as it's implemented already... i think i've yet to see a package that joins freenode *and* #ubuntu by default aside from konversation [12:23] although admittedly i've hardly tried them all [12:23] LjL, xchat [12:23] it does? i thought it didn't last time i used it [12:23] ah wait [12:23] irssi still has irc.ubuntu.com's default port as 6667 [12:23] except xchat isn't installed by default [12:23] jpds, fix pleads [12:23] oh for christ sake, I hate clients that autojoin a network and a channel by default [12:24] Myrtti, so we need two versions [12:24] Myrtti: alright, then make them join *none*, but if one has to be joined and/or pre-selected, make it freenode and #ubuntu, no? [12:24] xchat-auto? [12:24] Myrtti, you can also with xchat choose freenode and sit there doing nothing [12:24] Myrtti: also, for the clients that are installed by default, they really should [12:24] hhhrrrhh [12:24] Nafallo, xchat-shreik? [12:24] * ompaul hides [12:24] getting to the IRC channels for support shouldn't be a matter of hard configuring [12:24] LjL: no sane person uses pidgin for IRC... [12:24] you should just have to click the IRC icon [12:24] ompaul: you fail at spelling [12:24] Myrtti, gnome [12:24] Myrtti: except all the very sane people who join for support [12:25] since pidgin hasn't got any of the irc specific plugins installed by default [12:25] you aren't forgetting #ubuntu is not for IRC geeks but for people who're seeking ubuntu support, no? [12:25] Myrtti, it is a point we need to haxor gnome [12:25] Nafallo, you is korrect (the kde version of correct just kooler) [12:26] oh quit it that was old when you were young [12:26] LjL, :) [12:26] you're just bunch of old, grumpy, non-Fins. [12:26] Finns [12:27] perkele! [12:27] kippis, said she, and gulped coffee. [12:28] Nafallo, I give you an extra eye and you throw it away - what are we do to with you, banna dig så hårt ? [12:28] ;-) [12:28] ompaul: NAUGHTY! [12:28] ja, röj upp våran kanal! [12:28] Myrtti, I am too [12:29] um. [12:29] Jag vill berätta för dig, att jag känner en bott [12:29] just a thought [12:29] Myrtti, maybe not that naughty [12:29] since the floodbots do such a good work with mibbit [12:29] * ompaul buys Nafallo a coffee [12:29] does mibbit support linkyclicks? [12:30] Myrtti: believe so, couldn't swear on it [12:30] will try [12:32] Myrtti: yes [12:33] just a thought then [12:33] I know that floodbots can watch over only one channel at a time [12:33] but what if - and this is just me speaking aloud my idea [12:33] yes, they're pretty hard-coded that way [12:34] what if #kubuntu were given their own set of floodbots - and a link to mibbit and a guide how to join #kubuntu and #ubuntu with it were put someplace? [12:35] that way - linkyclicks would work - people wouldn't have to install clients they'll hardly ever use again etc. [12:35] Myrtti: perhaps, but can't possibly mibbit just be allowed in #kubuntu? is there enough traffic that it'd likely be a problem? [12:35] ompaul: bug #263259 filed. [12:35] Launchpad bug 263259 in irssi "Change irssi's irc.ubuntu.com default port to 8001." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263259 [12:35] I don't know [12:35] meeh [12:35] haven't slept yet! [12:35] * Myrtti slaps Nafallo [12:35] * Myrtti points bed [12:36] :-> [12:36] Myrtti: for that matter, it probably doesn't need a new set of bots, as that specific feature can likely be hacked in for #kubuntu without the rest of the features being in place [12:36] Myrtti: taking to lovely girl [12:36] Myrtti: so no. [12:37] Myrtti: of course though, if a need is felt for the whole floodbot shebang in #k, it could be done. i've already got a bot in #ubuntu-it, it can't be any harder than that (no translations to be done for a start) [12:37] but i'm not sure they'd be all thrilled by the enter-muting, for a start... [12:37] I don't know about the need for them in #k so I don't know [12:37] but the autoban mibbit users for flooding... [12:38] * Myrtti shrugs [12:38] only a thought [12:38] wait, autoban mibbit users for flooding? i'm not following you now [12:38] @bansearch numbers [12:38] No matches found for numbers!*@* in any channel [12:38] @btlogin [12:39] Myrtti: in any case, the #kubuntu mibbit behavior is broken, as it points to #ubuntu-proxy-users too, and then the bot says you can try again joining #ubuntu, which is not what you had joined in the first place [12:39] so that should be fixed one way or another [12:40] * LjL doesn't feel like installing chatzilla... [12:40] * Myrtti wants more coffee [12:40] it's part of a web browser, dammit, it has to support channel links [12:40] #channel [12:41] it does [12:41] ksirc - no [12:41] I think [12:41] was one of the first ones that did it [12:41] well, atleast it supports irc://#ubuntu or something [12:42] kopete - treats as link, but doesn't join anything [12:42] konversation? [12:42] konversation does [12:42] ok [12:42] lostirc - no [12:42] I always thought you were a gnome user, but no matter [12:42] me? never. [12:42] weechat! [12:43] xchat - right click [12:43] kvirc - yes [12:43] jrib, if you're using weechat, you know how to join a channel to begin with [12:44] i guess i should try chatzilla, there's plenty of people using it, sigh [12:44] actually, i guess i'll do something non-orthodox [12:45] uh oh [12:52] idiot, i forgot that /quit doesn't wait for server queue in konv [12:58] well i've added instructions to right-click for !it, let's just see how that works out for now [12:58] !it [12:58] Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (click col tasto destro sul nome del canale per entrare) [13:38] how do you spell timeout [13:38] * ompaul grins [13:39] ompaul: tango india mike echo oscar uniform tango [13:40] roger [13:41] pee aa äs äs ii ään gee ooo uu tee, hm? [13:41] :-þ [13:41] Myrtti: it's disconnections we're talking about, not fatalities... [13:42] but, it is a timeout of sorts [13:42] having too much Bass and fall asleep under the table [13:42] and conversely, disconnecting is always a bit like dying [13:43] Big Mouth Billy Bass? [13:46] * Myrtti larts Dave2 [13:46] http://www.bass.com/ [13:46] Damn, I forgot to hit enter on "/me flees to go and cook some breakfast" [13:47] FAIL [14:38] Daviey, you about? [15:14] LjL, how to remove or whitelist 'ubuntu' from the floodbots exploit quarantine? [15:16] ompaul: o/ [15:16] Daviey, ding pm [15:16] k [15:17] elkbuntu, can't whitelist, but you can remove the ban, who cares about it staying in the quarantine... [15:18] LjL, right. how? [15:18] i dont have a floodbot drivers licence yet [15:18] elkbuntu: how...? you just remove the ban on him [15:19] which is not there in the first place, hopefully [15:19] ok, so it wont mess the bots up? [15:19] elkbuntu: nah, they'll just keep mentioning him in -read-topic, but again who cares [15:20] they'll stop after two weeks anyway [15:20] ah ok [15:20] see, i didnt even know this [15:20] elkbuntu: if someone doesn't join -proxy-users for two weeks, their quarantine times out [15:21] elkbuntu: so all that will happen is that you'll see a floodbot doing a redundant -b ubuntu!*@* in two weeks [15:21] fair enough [15:22] now that they're all gatekeepers? [15:22] elkbuntu: generally speaking, when unsure, do as if the floodbots didn't exist, as that's the failsafe rule i tried to keep in mind [15:22] elkbuntu: gatekeepers? [15:22] elkbuntu: wait, i kept mentioning -proxy-users but it's -read-topic i'm talking about [15:23] LjL, they can all do everything the same now though? [15:23] it's not just floodbot1 we have to keep opped? [15:23] elkbuntu: yes (they always did, except for the -proxy-users [this time i have it right] thing, which was because last time the other two bots were updated, that feature was considered unsafe) [15:24] elkbuntu: except that floodbot1 is the only one that talks in some situations [15:24] aha. so we still need to favour it? [15:25] elkbuntu: no, they're all equal in #ubuntu, it's only about secondary things like some debug messages in -monitor, and the message to people in -proxy-users, and such [15:25] all instances where it doesn't matter which bot is opped in #u [15:25] k, cool [15:27] ubuntu has been on the victim list for well over two weeks [15:27] elkbuntu: the only thing is that now if all bots happen to be opped at the same time when someone joins proxy-users, they'll spam three +e's rather than just one [15:28] Myrtti, because it keeps getting hit, i assume [15:28] or siphoned into the channel [15:28] or because it doesn't just look for people in -read-topic, but also people in #ubuntu... in which case, that's not right [15:30] uhm but no, it does only trigger when the quarantine channel is joined... [15:31] anyway, it's well past my bedtime. i wake in 6hrs. [15:31] cyas [15:31] night [15:33] tata [15:33] that's completely not right, i don't have an "ubuntu" joining -read-topic since february [15:36] oooh it's when they quit irc [15:36] hmm now why had i put that there? [15:50] random idea for floodbots gimmick - monitoring ubuntu.com, help., packages., archive. and any other important sites for downtime, and putting any in the topic [15:53] topic them [15:53] hmm [15:53] !bottopic foo etc [15:53] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [15:53] :) [15:54] and then can we have them yell READ THE TOPIC if someone asks whether one of those sites is up? [15:54] jrib: sure! [16:13] * Myrtti huggles Mez [16:13] wb [16:13] * Mez huggles back [16:13] ty [16:13] I had to reboot ym server... forgot to start ctrlproxy agian [16:14] hm, true, I should reboot my home server [16:19] oi [16:22] whut [16:23] -br user wanting to say 'oi' to us all [16:23] this nifty chanserv stack, topicappend and topicprepend, it doesn't have a pop operation as well....? [16:24] uf [16:24] damn I need to vacuum more often here [16:25] had to reconnect the headless homeserver to a keyboard and display so I can type the encryption passwords >__< [16:27] KFM switch? [16:28] why bother [16:30] KVM * [16:34] I had 70 days uptime [16:34] woo. [16:48] ubottu: sound [16:48] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [16:54] * Myrtti cries [16:54] he is sweet, but OH so annoying [16:54] minus the sweet [16:55] * Myrtti screams [16:56] MY BRAIN HURTS [16:58] I see idiocy in three languages. the PAIN [17:03] why will no one read any links :( [17:04] My brains hurts too, python-launchpadlib is more broken than Hurd [17:21] * jpds looks at #kubuntu. [17:23] * Myrtti refuses to look at #ubuntu-offtopic [17:25] mehmet in #k looks like trouble [17:26] bazhang: Some people are just clueless. [17:31] he is not clueless. [17:45] asmajala is our old friend manuelperez [17:49] bazhang: http://paste.ubuntu.com/42204/ [17:51] jpds, he can speak english, and is already in ubuntu-es; we had this trouble last week in #u and #k with him. [18:04] bazhang, white_eagle had a ban before iirc [18:04] he did indeed ompaul both in #u and -ot [18:04] my memories are not good [18:05] * ompaul goes back to working on SFD [18:05] he left me with some bad ones too [18:47] I asked the domain squatter what did they want for softwarefreedomday.com and they said 500 US I thought I can do a lot more for Free Software with 500 than give it to a squatter [18:47] so I more or less told them 50 USD or no deal but they have to work that out [18:48] they are paying 6-10 dollars a year [18:48] for it [18:48] so let them pay [18:53] Gnea called the ops in #ubuntu (FineGirl1) [19:01] omg I've not had this much fun watching an IRC channel for a long long time [19:01] too bad very few of you can share the fun [19:01] heated discussion about oil prices and energy and traveling expenses going at -se :-D [19:02] great fun [19:58] is Azamat a bot? [19:58] Not yet [19:58] * Myrtti tests [20:00] he is not, but is trying something that I'm not too happy about [20:02] Trying to get ops in channel? [20:02] either that or alerting us [20:05] Cpudan80 called the ops in #ubuntu (Azamat) [20:05] psh [20:05] so trigger happy when not necessary [20:05] mute would've sufficed [20:05] I think [20:05] talking of which [20:08] Myrtti: kick to show him we mean business, he's not troublesome enough with enough frequency for a mute to be effective without it being around for a while [20:09] @btlogin [20:10] wth [20:10] lumm!?=*@*.servergirl.net!#ubuntu-ops on #ubuntu-offtopic in Bantracker... [20:10] but not in /bans [20:11] Floodbots missed the unban then [20:11] or, something else fun. [20:11] if you set it -b it should be good enough for FB, and wont hurt the channel [20:34] * Myrtti pokes Nafallo with https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nordic/+members [20:36] @bansearch necrolancer [20:36] No matches found for necrolancer!*@* in any channel [20:44] what does floodbot have to do with unbans...? [20:44] LjL: I meant ubottu, go away :P [20:45] SHUUUNN [20:45] That does explain why "floodbot" was so awkward to type [20:45] shun the non believer [20:45] and talking about trigger happiness... [20:45]