[00:00] <burner> anyone know how to fix dkms_autoinstaller so it doesn't fail on both my nvidia and vboxdrv drivers?
[00:03] <jason_> y?  what gnome version does Hardy use?
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> 2.22 I think
[00:04] <burner> intrepid - 0.02
[00:10] <burner> i'm thinking I just need a symlink in /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/ folder to address the .27-2 kernel.  right now, there's only a symlink for .27-1?
[00:21] <ToHellWithGA> any of y'all having trouble building things from source on intrepid?
[00:22] <dmoerner> ToHellWithGA, no. what is your specific problem?
[00:22] <ToHellWithGA> i cannot build rtorrent stable from source
[00:23] <ToHellWithGA> using semi-ready source i can run ./configure but make errors out
[00:23] <ToHellWithGA> using svn i get a ton of autoconf/automake barf errors
[00:23] <dmoerner> you can pastebin the errors here
[00:23] <ToHellWithGA> roger that i'll do that in a sec
[00:23] <ToHellWithGA> have to reboot this machine.  display won't wake up :(
[00:23] <ToHellWithGA> thanks dmoerner, i'll be back
[00:23] <void^> ToHellWithGA: rtorrent svn doesn't compile without some patches currently (can be found on their bugtracker)
[00:29] <ToHellWithGA> dmoerner: which would be easier to troubleshoot, make errors or autogen.sh errors?
[00:29] <dmoerner> ToHellWithGA, make errors
[00:31] <ToHellWithGA> http://thestonepedo.pastebin.ca/1189959
[00:33] <void^> ToHellWithGA: rtorrent svn doesn't compile without some patches currently (can be found on their bugtracker)
[00:33] <ToHellWithGA> it is not current svn
[00:33] <dmoerner> ToHellWithGA, http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/attachment/ticket/1266/libtorrent-gcc43-v2.patch
[00:33] <ToHellWithGA> it is revision 1034
[00:33] <void^> yeah, that's the gcc 4.3 problem - needs a patch too. see dmoerner's link
[00:33] <ToHellWithGA> oh, that
[00:33] <ToHellWithGA> :(
[00:34] <dmoerner> google is your friend
[00:36] <ryanakca> What's the intrepid equivalent for sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, that's to say, to change the driver and screen setup without manually editing xorg.conf ?
[00:36] <ToHellWithGA> that's such a bummer
[00:37] <ToHellWithGA> google is my friend, but i'd not have known where to look at libtorrent not building on intrepid ibex
[00:37] <void^> uh, displayconfig-gtk?
[00:37] <ToHellWithGA> i did, in my defense, google "libtorrent" "intrepid" "error"
[00:37] <dmoerner> i just searched the error with the header file
[00:37] <dmoerner> file_list_iterator.h: In member function 'uint32_t torrent::FileListIterator::depth() const'
[00:38] <ToHellWithGA> is the first thing after "In file" is what i should use to search?
[00:38] <ToHellWithGA> i might be able to remember that :)
[00:38] <ToHellWithGA> thanks dmoerner and void^
[00:47] <ryanakca> void^: was that for me?
[00:51] <ToHellWithGA> address_list.cc: In member function 'void torrent::AddressList::parse_address_normal(const std::list<torrent::Object, std::allocator<torrent::Object> >&)':
[00:51] <ToHellWithGA> dmoerner: how about that one?
[00:51] <ToHellWithGA> it made for much much longer after i applied those patches
[00:51] <ToHellWithGA> for what it's worth :)
[00:55] <ToHellWithGA> ack, missed one line of diff'ing
[00:55] <ToHellWithGA> disregard the previous request please dmoerner, thanks
[01:07] <ikex> is there a rss feed that has package update's changelogs?
[01:13] <ryanakca> What's the intrepid equivalent for sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, that's to say, to change the driver and screen setup without manually editing xorg.conf ?
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> did it change in Intrepid or something?
[01:15]  * JontheEchidna always did sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:18]  * DanaG edits xorg.conf manually.
[01:18] <DanaG> =þ
[01:19] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: yep, it did :/
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> lol, well the xorg.conf it generates still recommends doing that...
[01:20] <ryanakca> DanaG: feel like editing mine? It complains that it can't find module "nv", "nvidia" and "vesa", depending on which one I try to use
[01:20] <DanaG> Odd. that's not an xorg.conf issue; it sounds more like a 'missing packages' issue.
[01:27] <ToHellWithGA> JontheEchidna: it changed before that
[01:27] <ToHellWithGA> and ryanakca for that matter
[01:28] <ToHellWithGA> there have been no video configuration options since... feisty perhaps?
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg always gave me a clean xorg
[01:29] <ToHellWithGA> if you drop "-phigh" you used to be able to set video settings
[01:29] <ToHellWithGA> now you have to run displayconfig-gtk
[01:29] <ToHellWithGA> seems goofy that the video should be controlled by gnome rather than the x server
[01:31] <Turl> Hello
[01:31] <ToHellWithGA> hi Turl
[01:31] <ToHellWithGA> what's happening?
[01:32] <Turl> I just installed network-manager (I was using wicd previously) and when I try to store a connection "System-wide" it fails with a message
[01:32] <Turl> is this the expected behavior?
[01:33] <ToHellWithGA> is network-manager not installed by default?
[01:33] <ToHellWithGA> i'm not familiar with it as a CLI tool, are you using nm-applet in gnome?
[01:33] <ryanakca> ToHellWithGA: how are we supposed to run displayconfig-gtk if our X is broken?
[01:33] <ToHellWithGA> ryanakca: exactly
[01:34] <ToHellWithGA> that's why i miss dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:34] <ToHellWithGA> at least with dpkg-reconfigure you could choose VESA@640x480
[01:34] <RAOF> Which is what "xfix" runs, from the recovery session.
[01:34] <ToHellWithGA> oh hi RAOF
[01:34] <ToHellWithGA> somebody else helped me figure out the build issues i was having
[01:34] <Turl> ToHellWithGA, yes It is installed by default, but I was using wicd previously, and when you install wicd nm is removed, and yes, I'm using nm-applet
[01:35]  * RAOF is just passing through
[01:35] <ToHellWithGA> Turl: what are you trying to get it to do?
[01:35] <ToHellWithGA> keyless login to wireless networks?
[01:35] <RAOF> Turl: Obviously that's a bug; I'm not sure if it's been reported yet, but you could search launchpad.
[01:35] <Turl> to store a wifi connection system wide, a WPA one
[01:36] <ToHellWithGA> so there really will be other users logging in on your system?
[01:36] <ToHellWithGA> i was able to store my connection without a key to unlock and allow it to connect
[01:36] <ToHellWithGA> dunno if that way would work for you
[01:37] <Turl> not really, but sometimes I don't login on GDM and use command-line directly and I'd like it to connect automatically on boot, so I have wifi on cli also
[01:39] <ToHellWithGA> that sounds cool
[01:39] <ToHellWithGA> i have never tried that
[01:39] <ToHellWithGA> do you save batteries by not running over-the-top GUI stuff?
[01:39] <Turl> ? don't get what you say ToHellWithGA
[01:40] <ToHellWithGA> i like CLI as much as the next guy but have never had a reason to use it exclusively.  do you get better battery life when you use only CLI rather than GUI?
[01:41] <ToHellWithGA> i'm assuming you are working on a laptop.  if it is plugged into the wall my question wouldn't be valid
[01:42] <Turl> I'm not running on a laptop :p
[01:42] <Turl> It's a desktop, and it's obviously plugged into the wall :)
[01:43] <ToHellWithGA> right XD
[01:43] <ToHellWithGA> that makes much more sense to me
[01:43] <Turl> spanish? xD
[01:43] <ToHellWithGA> i never think of wifi+desktops
[01:43] <ToHellWithGA> no habla
[01:43] <Turl> Yo si hablo español
[01:44] <ToHellWithGA> ich kann nur ein bisschen deutsch
[01:44] <Turl> I use wifi because i have several pcs @ home, and they are far from each other, so it's unconvenient to have ethernet cable
[01:45] <ToHellWithGA> i see.  my only stationary computer is by my modem and router
[01:45] <ToHellWithGA> my laptop is wireless but my desktop is wired
[01:46] <ToHellWithGA> could you move the wireless router so that the desktop with issues is wired?
[01:46] <Turl> not at all :S
[01:46] <ToHellWithGA> bummer
[01:47] <Turl> I can connect to the wifi, though
[01:47] <Turl> I'm on that PC now
[01:47] <Turl> I cannot save it as system wide, but as per-user it works fine
[01:47] <ToHellWithGA> can you run the configuration program as root perhaps?
[01:48] <ToHellWithGA> i don't know if that would make it save differently
[01:48] <Turl> out to lunch, will try afterwards
[01:48] <ToHellWithGA> if it already requires gksudo permission it may not make any difference
[01:53] <jason_> I can't add startup programs to "session" in intrepid
[01:54] <jason_> when I try to add something (have stuff in all 3 fields, with a valid program) when I click add it says: "The startup command cannot be empty."
[01:55] <jason_> I'm just trying to make pidgin open at startup.  Has anyone been able to do this?
[02:01] <Turl> jason_, let me try
[02:02] <Turl> yes, i can confirm that happens
[02:02] <Turl> please fill a bug
[02:02] <jason_> I will, but sorry, where do I file bugs for intrepid?
[02:02] <Turl> on launchpad.net
[02:03] <jason_> ok
[02:03] <Turl> just say you are using intrepid ;) or add [intrepid] in the title
[02:13] <jason_> someone already filed the bug
[02:13] <jason_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/260910
[02:14] <jason_> also, someone claimed they found a fix for it.  They said that the problem was that the folder ~/.config/autostart had "root" as the owner so all you have to do is change it to your user.
[02:14] <jason_> However, my autostart folder already has me as the owner and NOT root, but I still have the problem.  so that can't be it
[02:15] <Turl> it says it's fixed on SVN, now you only need to wait it to be updated
[02:15] <jason_> ok, i can wait np
[03:01] <mluser-home> Anyone know if wubi on intrepid alpha4 is broken?
[03:15] <danbhfive> wouldnt surprise me, there isn't a livecd, and vm stuff is broken.  I would guess that they would support wubi a bit later
[03:32] <vadi> Hi. Is ndiswrapper known to be broken?
[03:36] <mluser-home> danbhfive: thanks
[03:41] <danbhfive> vadi: ndiswrapper works for me, on both hardy and intrepid.   Though, its missing from the intrepid cd!!!!  Noooo.........
[03:57] <Jordan_U> danbhfive: Are you sure that you need ndiswrapper for your card?
[04:02] <danbhfive> Jordan_U: why wouldn't I?  Has their been progress in wireless driver development?
[04:02] <Jordan_U> danbhfive: Yes, for instance if you have a wireless n capable atheros card
[04:04] <danbhfive> hehe, nope, its just a trendnet g card
[04:04] <LSD|Ninja> ndiswrapper is required in fewer cases than people think these days
[04:04] <LSD|Ninja> The big 3 (Intel, Atheros and Broadcom) are covered by reasonably capable native drivers
[04:04] <danbhfive> BUT, I just yesterday ordered one of those wireless n cards yesterday.  w00t w00t!!!
[04:05] <Jordan_U> danbhfive: Looks like some trendent cards at least use an atheros chipset, did you try wither ath5k or ath_pci ( madwifi ) ?
[04:06] <Jordan_U> s/wither/with either/
[04:06] <danbhfive> Jordan_U: I dunno, I've been using ndiswrapper, and a set of windows drivers since dapper
[04:06] <LSD|Ninja> The trick with Broadcom - and a lot of people miss this - is that they need custom firmware to be downloaded which requires an internet connection be present in order to get the wireless working. A chicken and egg situation if the wireless is your only means of connection
[04:06] <danbhfive> Jordan_U: it was the suggested advice at the time, and I've never really looked into it since
[04:07] <LSD|Ninja> Atheros (g chips at least) and Intel work pretty much out of the box
[04:08] <Jordan_U> danbhfive: Try going with the native drivers. Why depend on an ugly hack if you don't need to?
[04:09] <LSD|Ninja> Speaking of Atheros, is ath9k going to be in Intrepid? I can't seem to find it and a number of people are starting to need it
[04:09] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja: Its here already
[04:10] <danbhfive> Jordan_U: well, how would I do that?  I already know it doesn't work outofthebox on intrepid...
[04:11] <Jordan_U> danbhfive: can you pastebin the output from lspci so we can see what chipset you have?
[04:11] <danbhfive> Jordan_U: a yes, its an sis163 chipset
[04:11] <danbhfive> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/42297/
[04:13] <danbhfive> and, a more relevant paste: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/42298/
[04:14] <Jordan_U> danbhfive: Ahh, it's a USB dongle, those are rarely supported, go with a PCI card next time :)
[04:15] <danbhfive> Jordan_U: hmm, didn't know that.    Well, either way, this new card is pci, wireless n (atheros), and listed on the free software foundation page,      so, everything is pointing towards native support
[04:20]  * DanaG doesn't see any valid reasoning behind Broadcom's disallowing distribution of firmware.
[04:20] <LSD|Ninja> Who cares what their reasoning is, it's their reasoning
[04:21] <DanaG> I mean, I can understand keeping it closed source.... but why not allow distribution?
[04:24] <danbhfive> oooo, oooo, there is a webpage on it
[04:24] <danbhfive> there is a good reason
[04:25] <danbhfive> o wait, nvm, you mean distribution, not the close aspect
[04:36] <Turl> bye
[04:41] <Jordan_U> Just wondering, are there any cards with open source firmware or is it pretty much all cards have closed firmware but some don't have to have it loaded by the OS ?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> the intel stuff should be free?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> iwl3945 is a free driver.
[04:53] <RAOF> Hobbsee: But still has a firmware blob.
[04:54] <RAOF> Not that I think there's anything particularly _wrong_ with a firmware blob, and they have regulatory reasons to keep it a blob.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i thought they had to keep it as an actual blob to make it work - but i thought there was a source for the blob.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> unlike ipw3945
[04:55] <jason_> I just installed Intrepid and I have no sound
[04:56] <RAOF> IIRC ipw had a userspace regulatory binary blob, iwl just uploads a firmware blob, but there's no source for the firmware (or you can't upload modified firmware, which would be equivalent).
[05:01] <RAOF> jason_: In which case it's likely a local issue; I don't believe there's a global sound problem in Intrepid at the moment.
[05:01] <jason_> any ideas on how I can fix it?
[05:02] <RAOF> Not really.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ah, right.
[05:04] <jason_> never mind, i fixed it
[05:08] <DanaG> ... and iwl3945 also is less reliable than ipw3945, for me, sometimes.
[05:29] <emet> !info deluge-torrent
[05:48] <midkniht> anyone got intrepid to work with fglrx?
[05:49] <midkniht> ive tried about everything i could try and searched google high and low
[05:49] <midkniht> just not happening
[05:50] <midkniht> fglrx module wont load, tried the install-fglrx-debian.sh script and when i rebooted my computer froze shortly after i entered my encrypted drive password
[05:51] <midkniht> ill roll up till someone gets here that knows
[05:51]  * midkniht settles in for a few months
[05:54]  * danbhfive wonders when to report bugs that are not gnome related, like fglrx
[05:54] <danbhfive> do you just wait for the beta of ubuntu?
[05:55] <burner> asap
[05:57] <midkniht> the bug is reported
[05:57] <midkniht> its not a bug in fgrlx its the ati/amd firmware it looks like
[05:57] <danbhfive> well, I have an nvidia card, and there were 3 drivers listed.  I tried the 3rd, and it really didn't work.  I just got stuck in "low resolution mode".  But, I have no idea why there are 3 drivers listed in the first place.  I just assume, "they" are working on it.
[05:57] <midkniht> the current solution: "downgrade Xorg"
[05:58] <midkniht> yeah 3 work for the ati card too suposedly, fglrx, radeon, radeonhd
[05:58] <midkniht> none work for me
[05:59] <midkniht> its pretty worthless when it doesnt work with the current version of x11
[05:59] <midkniht> xorg
[05:59] <midkniht> wtf ever
[06:00] <midkniht> im almost tempted to install debian
[06:01] <Jordan_U> danbhfive: The package descriptions state what cards those specific packages support
[06:01] <danbhfive> out of frustration?
[06:01] <danbhfive> ah, ill have to take a look
[06:01] <Jordan_U> midkniht: Why are you complaining about a non released version of Ubuntu?
[06:03] <midkniht> wtf are they putting drivers in that dont work
[06:03] <midkniht> thats stupid not alpha software
[06:03] <danbhfive> maybe Canonical should wait to name the release till the beta.  I think naming it so early gives people the idea that there is something there worthy of a name.   Just leave it named...  ubuntu alpha or something.    Every next release has the same name, ubuntu-alpha
[06:03] <RAOF> danbhfive: As of this moment, the -76 and -96 drivers don't work with Intrepid's version of xorg.
[06:04] <RAOF> danbhfive: Also, I think that the -173 driver's kernel module is failing to build against our 2.6.27 kernel.
[06:05] <danbhfive> lol RAOF, so that covers all three.  Its all out of my league anyway, atm.
[06:05] <RAOF> The -177 drivers work, though.  If they support your card, of course :)
[06:06] <danbhfive> mk
[06:07] <Jordan_U> midkniht: Is there any reason not to include the package? Remember, this is not for general consumption, this is for those wishing to develop the next version of Ubuntu and / or file bug reports.
[06:07] <danbhfive> wait, so why were only 3 listed for me?  I can't remember which ones were listed...    hold on, im gona reboot
[06:07] <midkniht> why are you including a package that you know doesnt work
[06:07] <midkniht> thats pointless
[06:07] <RAOF> danbhfive: If only 3 were listed, chances are the 4th won't support your card.
[06:08] <RAOF> midkniht: To check that the packaging works, of course.
[06:08] <midkniht> im thinking if i was trying to install a certain piece of hardware i could rely on someone at least thinking the driver worked for a package to be avaialbale
[06:08] <Jordan_U> midkniht: To check for dependency issues possibly
[06:08] <midkniht> not that it even actually had to work
[06:09] <midkniht> just that they compiled it for the platform and someone said it was supposed to work
[06:09] <midkniht> then you work on bugs
[06:09] <midkniht> not just leave the shit in that you know is broken and tell people to downgrade
[06:09] <midkniht> thats a waste of everyones resources in the entire dev cycle
[06:10]  * RAOF notes that we _don't_ tell people to downgrade.
[06:10] <RAOF> We'd love to have a working driver.  Sadly, we can't.
[06:10] <midkniht> lets burn the mutha down
[06:10] <RAOF> Although, as I understand it, the open-source ati driver should support at least 2d on all ATI cards.
[06:11] <midkniht> not working for me
[06:11] <RAOF> At all?
[06:11] <midkniht> nope
[06:11] <midkniht> radeon, radeonhd, or fgrlx
[06:11] <midkniht> none work
[06:11] <midkniht> its stupid
[06:11] <midkniht> im using vesa
[06:11] <RAOF> What card?
[06:12] <RAOF> Care to paste a /var/log/Xorg.0.log with an attempt at loading the ati driver?
[06:13] <midkniht> umm
[06:14] <RAOF> As in, pastebin :)
[06:14] <midkniht> the actual issue is when the firmware is loaded in the kernel
[06:14] <RAOF> Which means that it's an fglrx problem, because neither radeon nor radeonhd care about that.
[06:15] <danbh_intrepid> RAOF: 177 is the driver that failed me  : (
[06:15] <midkniht> ok well let me try to load radeonhd again
[06:15] <RAOF> midkniht: radeon is a better bet.
[06:16] <RAOF> (Or ati, which resolves to radeon anyway).
[06:16] <Jordan_U> midkniht: Another possible reason is that they wanted to be able to test jockey to see if it was detecting the correct hardware and installing the correct package for that hardware
[06:17] <midkniht> breb
[06:17] <midkniht> brb
[06:18] <wbmj> Intrepid's boot times are impressive
[06:38] <dbglt> ok, royal screwup here... I did a dpkg -i on a bunch of deb packages, included in them were some I didn't want to install (and may screw up my system). How do I remove thsoe exact packages?
[06:38] <dbglt> they include:   findutils libc6 libgcc1 libgcrypt11 libgpg-error0 vpnc
[06:39] <dbglt> if I do apt-get remove it will simply remove the package from my system yeah? I don't want to do that!
[06:39] <dbglt> (I think I need some of them
[06:39] <dbglt> (eg libc6)
[06:40] <RAOF> aptitude install libc6=$VERSION_YOU_WANT may work.  You can work out $VERSION_YOU_WANT with apt-cache policy.
[06:40] <dbglt> RAOF: apt-cache policy?
[06:40] <RAOF> On the other hand, given that your system isn't totally broken, I can tell that libc6 isn't broken for you :)
[06:40] <RAOF> dbglt: 'apt-cache policy libc6'
[06:40] <dbglt> RAOF: yeah, kind of worrying when I try to update :p
[06:41] <dbglt> ahh
[06:41] <dbglt> I think it's the right version (I got it off the ubuntu intrepid website half an hour  ago, when I didn't have local net access)
[06:41] <dbglt> I just don't want to remove every package (which is the suggested solution :|)
[06:42] <dbglt> RAOF: (in other words, packages are legit, correct version  and everything... it's just the configure  stage that's failing - I want to remove that)
[06:43] <RAOF> You mean, 'dpkg --configure -a' fails?  Can you pastebin the output?
[06:44] <dbglt> RAOF: yeah. Sorry about the poor phrasing. http://pastebin.com/m58c00218
[06:48] <dbglt> RAOF: I did a sudo dpkg -i *.deb, and it installed the bunch
[06:48] <dbglt> but failed at configuration
[06:51] <Jordan_U> dbglt: Are you connected to the internet now?
[06:51] <Jordan_U> dbglt: On that machine of course
[06:52] <dbglt> Jordan_U: yeah
[06:52] <Jordan_U> dbglt: If so then a quick "sudo apt-get -f install " should sort things out
[06:53] <dbglt> Jordan_U: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libgcc1
[06:54] <Jordan_U> dbglt: From apt ?
[06:55] <Jordan_U> Sorry, missed the end of your paste, apt-get -f alone wouldn't fix that
[06:55] <dbglt> Jordan_U: (ie. no go :()
[07:05] <dbglt> Jordan_U: sorry, had to move classes :D
[07:06] <dbglt> Jordan_U: any idea how to fix that?
[07:09] <dbglt> trying to do: sudo apt-get install -f, and I get "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libgcc1"
[07:10] <dbglt> any ideas? :\
[07:18] <dbglt> any clue folks? Bit stuck here!
[07:33] <DanaG> Grrrr, ****** gnome-session isn't working.
[07:33] <DanaG> It starts the wallpaper and pidgin (and now compiz)..... and then just sits there.
[07:33] <DanaG> Doing nothing.  For five minutes.
[07:33] <DanaG> No panel, no icons, no gnome-settings-daemon.
[07:33] <DanaG> If I run gnome-session under strace, I get tons of EAGAIN on trying to connect() sockets.
[07:34] <DanaG> Anybody know what causes that?
[07:34] <DanaG> Oh... and nvidia makes my consoles entirely blank.  Thanks, nvidia!
[07:35] <DanaG> Oh, and only now did it load my icons.
[07:36] <DanaG> Oh, and now gnome-settings-daemon started.
[07:36] <verwilst> you can't rush these things ;)
[07:36] <DanaG> It shouldn't take FIVE MINUTES to log in.
[07:37] <DanaG> Oddly enough, booting an older kernel (_sometimes_) fixes it
[07:39] <DanaG> Oh, and now my top panel has appeared, with nothing on it.
[07:40] <LSD|Ninja> heh
[07:40] <RAOF>  Maybe I should try the nvidia blob.
[07:40] <RAOF> I don't see that problem :)
[07:40] <LSD|Ninja> All my panels seem to be working only graphics config has taken another dump so I'm stuck at 800x800 in VESA >_<
[07:41] <DanaG> It's only when I'm repeatedly ctrl-alt-backspace'ing and chvt'ing.
[07:41] <DanaG> log in to gdm.... c-a-b (that's ctrl-alt-backspace), c-a-f1, do something, go back to gdm, log in, kill it again, wait for it to pop up, switch to terminal again.
[07:41] <DanaG> Rinse and repeat.
[07:42] <DanaG> Oh, and magic sysrq doesn't work with evdev for keyboard!
[07:43] <DanaG> Still nothing on the panel...
[07:59] <DanaG> still ******** broken.
[08:00] <DanaG> I don't get how executing 'dbus-launch gnome-session' can work within the failsafe-terminal session... but not when done automatically.
[08:02] <DanaG> It must be a race condition of some sort.
[08:07] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/146946
[08:11] <DanaG> argh, I'm getting rather aggravated at that thing.
[08:17] <DanaG> Does Gnome not like having an internet-accessible ipv6 address?
[08:32] <DanaG> Oh heck... it's hanging on starting PulseAudio.
[08:35] <DanaG> ... it's like things are refusing to do ANYTHING if pulseaudio is not already running.
[08:36] <RAOF> That'd be libgnome, I believe.
[08:38] <DanaG> Hmm, and I can't run gnome-sound-properties over ssh...
[08:40] <RAOF> That may well complain about various dbusery.
[08:41] <DanaG> I'm not getting a /tmp/dbus-anything at all.
[08:41] <DanaG> I straced it once, and got a whole lot of EAGAIN upon it trying to connect() a socket.
[08:43] <DanaG> Even gnome-panel itself takes a freakishly long time to start.
[08:44] <DanaG> .. and this mostly only happens with the 2.6.27 kernel!
[08:44] <DanaG> That's what I don't get... did the kernel break sockets?
[08:44] <RAOF> When the socket it's trying to connect to has a not-yet-started pulseaudio daemon on teh other end?
[08:45] <DanaG> I'm not sure which socket it's trying to connect to.
[08:45] <RAOF> I'm guessing it's trying to connect to ESD; libgnome does.
[08:46] <RAOF> Or, at least, did at one point, and some guy got annoyed with it, and blogged about it, and posted a patch to libgnome.
[08:46] <DanaG> Oddly enough, it all works fine when I manually do 'exec dbus-launch gnome-session' in the failsafe terminal session.
[08:46]  * RAOF has no comment to that.
[08:48] <DanaG> Isn't that weird?
[08:52] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/183776
[08:52] <DanaG> Bug report.... re-broken?
[08:53] <DanaG> Or rather... I think it IS still dbus breakage.
[09:04] <DanaG> aaugh... it WAS a pulse/esd config issue.
[09:06] <DanaG> yay, fixed.
[09:09] <DanaG> Note to self: don't ctrl-backslash gnome-panel, or it'll kill its child processes.
[09:09] <DanaG> Instead, kill -9 it.
[09:13] <verwilst> ctrl backslash?
[09:15] <DanaG> That's SIGQUIT.
[09:16] <DanaG> ... with a core dump, too.
[09:16] <DanaG> Good way to trigger a crashdump if you need one to demonstrate a hang.
[09:58] <dbglt> hi all, trying to do a  sudo apt-get install -f, as a result I get "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libgcc1"
[09:58] <dbglt> any ideas?
[09:58] <dbglt> no idea how to fix it
[10:00] <dbglt> :(
[10:01] <DanaG> Oh heyas, anybody know how to grab a video frame with mplayer?
[10:07] <dbglt> I seem to have screwed my dpkg/apt. Anyone who can help/knows more about it than I?
[10:07] <dbglt> RAOF: still about?
[10:17] <DanaG> try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:18] <toresbe> Good morning!
[10:19] <toresbe> I've got an issue with Ibex and Evolution. Now evo crashes almost immediately upon launch; usually with an XCB error.
[10:19] <toresbe> Should I file this with Launchpad, or...?
[10:24] <gnomefreak> toresbe: yes with an error or crash report using apport
[10:24] <dbglt> is there any way to easily remove/replace libstdc6++ and libgcc1
[10:24] <dbglt> ?
[10:27] <toresbe> gnomefreak: yep
[10:28] <gnomefreak> dbglt: hold that thought
[10:31] <gnomefreak> dbglt: no its not interchangable
[10:32] <dbglt> is there any way to install two packages concurrently with dpkg?
[10:32] <dbglt> gnomefreak: ?
[10:32] <dbglt> I need to install libc6 and libgcc1 - both depend on each other
[10:33] <gnomefreak> dbglt: libc6 is already installed
[10:33] <dbglt> I FIXED MY SYSTEM
[10:33] <dbglt> woohooo
[10:33] <dbglt> it was screwed :)
[10:33] <dbglt> then I replaced libc6 and libgcc1 and libstdc6++
[10:34] <dbglt> (scary, yes)
[10:34] <dbglt> :D :D :D
[10:50] <BonezAU> i'm running a daily build from yesterday, also tried alpha 4 and alpha 3 but so far every time I complete the install and try to boot up, i just get a blank screen
[10:51] <Nick_Hill> I am paddling in the shallow waters of Ubuntu bug fixing, after having been involved in reporting many bugs. I have released a fix for bug 118168  I would like someone to check my code, and help me through integratig it into released packages.
[10:51] <sroecker> BonezAU, try booting without splash
[10:52] <BonezAU> sroecker, it does not make any difference. When I do a recovery boot, drop to a console and type 'startx' I just get the same blank screen
[10:53] <sroecker> BonezAU, what graphics card do you have?
[10:57] <BonezAU> sroecker, a Nvidia 9600GT 512mb
[10:58] <BonezAU> sroecker, my PC is only about 2 months old, I am finding out the hard way that all of my hardware is too new for most linux distros... the reason I want to try Intrepid is because it is more up to date, hardy is a waste of time
[10:58] <sroecker> BonezAU, hmm, nvidia should work. at least with the nv driver
[10:59] <sroecker> BonezAU, what does your Xorg.log say?
[10:59] <murlidhar> checking for GTK... configure: error: GTK+-2.8 is required to compile candido
[10:59] <murlidhar> which package is needed ?
[10:59] <murlidhar> libgtk2.0-dev ?
[11:00] <murlidhar> using ibex
[11:00] <murlidhar> here
[11:00] <murlidhar> not hardy
[11:00] <BonezAU> sroecker, that would have to be about the only logfile I have not checked yet.. brb ;)
[11:00] <sroecker> murlidhar, yes
[11:01] <murlidhar> i gues i already installed it
[11:02] <murlidhar> sudo apt-get install libgtk-dev
[11:02]  * murlidhar says sorry 
[11:02] <murlidhar> my fault
[11:02] <murlidhar> sroecker: thanks
[11:03] <sroecker> np
[11:03] <murlidhar> will be back again if some problem come bye
[11:54] <tanath> how do i get my time to synch?
[11:55] <tanath> i noticed the time applet changed, and i accidentally set the time while looking at it, and now it's off by about 15 mins, and it's not synching
[12:58] <murlidhar> i have installed candido engine but it doesn't seem to be working
[12:58] <murlidhar> actually compiled from source and installed using checkinstall
[12:58] <murlidhar> but it isn't working
[12:58] <murlidhar> it is working absolutely fine in hardy
[12:59] <Hobbsee> we don't support checkinstalled crack here, sorry.
[12:59] <murlidhar> is  there anything i should do ?
[12:59] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: i also tried make install
[12:59] <Hobbsee> consult those who wrote checkinstall, to support their own stuff?
[13:00] <Hobbsee> either way, "doesn't work" isnt' helpful.
[13:01] <murlidhar>  doesn't seem to be working
[13:01] <murlidhar> i didn;t say it doesn't work
[13:01] <murlidhar> i said it doesn't seem to be working
[13:01] <Hobbsee> same thing.
[13:01] <Hobbsee> (well, same meaning)
[13:02] <RAOF> What makes you think that it isn't working?
[13:02] <murlidhar> oh i c
[13:02] <murlidhar> RAOF: the theme look pathetic
[13:02] <murlidhar> like a windows 95
[13:02]  * Hobbsee wonders if it fell back to motif, then.
[13:03] <RAOF> Start a gtk app from a terminal; is there any debug output?
[13:03] <murlidhar> RAOF: any gtk app ?
[13:03] <RAOF> Anything you'd expect themed by gtk, yes.
[13:05] <murlidhar> RAOF: there are some gtk critical messages and gtk warnings
[13:05] <murlidhar> RAOF: should i pastebin them ?
[13:06] <RAOF> Yes, but I won't be reading them; I'm off to sleep.  They'll be useful for the next person, though.
[13:06] <murlidhar> k
[13:09] <murlidhar> RAOF: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/42387/
[13:10] <Hobbsee> try restarting dbus?
[13:10] <murlidhar> err how to do that?
[13:10] <Hobbsee>  /etc/init.d/dbus restart?
[13:12] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: nope doesn't help
[13:13] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: do i need engine pixbuf too ? line 70
[13:13] <Hobbsee> no idea.
[13:15] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: :) installing pixbuf helps
[13:16] <Hobbsee> coo
[13:16] <Hobbsee> l
[13:18] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: k i have install my themes in /usr/share/themes/ but whenever root is needed for GUI . the themes doesn't apply instead motif like looks
[13:19] <Hobbsee> using gksudo for root apps?
[13:19] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: like when i open synaptics manager it goes back to motif theme . what should i do so that the theme works universal
[13:20] <Hobbsee> [22:19] <Hobbsee> using gksudo for root apps?
[13:20] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: yes
[13:21] <x1250> murlidhar, do a symlink from ~/.themes to /root/.themes
[13:21] <Hobbsee> murlidhar: then i don't know.
[13:22] <murlidhar> u mean sudo lm ~/.icons /root ?
[13:22] <murlidhar> x1250:
[13:22] <x1250> murlidhar, $ sudo ln -s ~/.themes /root should work
[13:23] <murlidhar> x1250: ln: creating symbolic link `/root/.themes': File exists
[13:24] <murlidhar> that's what i get . i did this earlier afaik.
[13:24] <murlidhar> as far as i know
[13:24] <x1250> murlidhar, delete it first, then do the symlink.
[13:26] <murlidhar> x1250: nope doesn't help either
[13:27] <x1250> it does, it will work when you open your next session. When you open a program as root, that theme used is /root/.themes.
[13:29] <murlidhar> x1250: i just saw it . it was empty when i opened in leafpad
[13:31] <x1250>  /root/.themes should link to a directory, not a file...
[14:33] <GSMX> what version of eclipse will be in intrepid?
[14:36] <bazhang> !info eclipse
[14:36] <bazhang> GSMX, ^^
[14:40] <murlidhar> the themes and icons don't work in when opened in root. eg. synaptic package manager opens in a motif like theme. and default gnome icons .
[14:40] <murlidhar> tried linking the folders . but still
[14:41] <murlidhar> themes are being stored in /usr/share/themes/
[14:41] <murlidhar> still i am confused what makes it not follow my installed . theme.
[14:42] <murlidhar> using lxappearanc to change themes if that matters .
[14:42] <murlidhar> lxappearance*
[14:43] <murlidhar> :)
[14:43] <murlidhar> done
[14:44] <murlidhar> just did sudo lxappearance and set the theme :)
[14:44]  * murlidhar is so dumb 
[14:45] <murlidhar> Hobbsee: thanks
[14:45] <murlidhar> RAOF: thanks
[15:24] <ToHellWithGA> @lart 28 Hobbsee
[15:24] <ToHellWithGA> how are you?
[16:00] <ToHellWithGA> .me will find out some other time
[16:20] <perillux> when I try to go to this website firefox always crashes: http://www.steampowered.com/
[16:23] <void^> even if you disable flash?
[16:35] <perillux> works if I disable jaba and javascript
[16:50] <Myrtti> I could swear I saw an update to .27 kernel earlier...
[16:52] <Ng> .27.2 was knocking around last time I updated
[17:10] <hardy> Hi, I have two network managers in my desktop, I think one comes with gnome and the other with kde, the one coming with kde doesn't display the wireless networks, any one with any idea about this?
[17:21] <Lunks> Someone got problems with vbox?
[17:55] <cycom> Hey, does fglrx support 8.10's version of Xorg yet?  I didn't see anything about it on the ATI website...
[17:55] <hardy> cycom: no
[17:56] <LSD|Ninja> My guess would be ATi and nVidia are waiting for xorg 1.5 to stabilise before makign a serious effort to make their drivers work with it. No point in updating the drivers if xorg are only going to break them again the next day
[17:56] <hardy> cycom: you mean xorg 7.4?
[17:56] <cycom> yeah...
[17:57] <cycom> It's fine by me if it doesn't.  RadeonHD is working just fine for me.
[17:57] <hardy> cycom: radeonhd works with xorg 7.4?
[17:57] <cycom> LSD|Ninja: also, my nvidia card has been working fine with 7.4 for a while now.
[17:57] <cycom> hardy: yup :)
[17:58] <hardy> cycom: how can you tell which driver is used by your card now in intrepid?
[17:59] <cycom> my bad. it's radeon, not radeonhd
[17:59] <cycom> either way, my Mobility Radeon X1300 is working
[17:59] <cycom> I double checked in my Xorg.0.log
[18:00] <cycom> and desktop effects are working.
[18:00] <cycom> it's friggen awesome.
[18:00] <Ardarandir> moin
[18:00] <Ardarandir> i got trouble with my rt61 wlan-chip running the intrepid-alpha4
[18:00] <hardy> cycom: which line exactly did you check?
[18:01] <Ardarandir> could someone give some assistance, plz?
[18:02] <Ardarandir> are there known problems with rt61-chips?
[18:03] <hardy> cycom: is ati and radeon the same driver?
[18:03] <cycom> hardy: not as far as I know... gimme a sec.  I'm double checking my info
[18:04] <x1250> Hi guys. I just discovered I have 3D acceleration on a default installation, but no fglrx driver is installed. Does intrepid come with the opensource ati driver, and it supports 3d now?
[18:05] <hardy> x1250: how do you know you have 3D acceleration?
[18:06] <x1250> hardy, glxinfo | grep direct == yes; compiz --replace works; glxgears works fast
[18:07] <hardy> x1250: do you know the driver loaded by xorg in your system?
[18:09] <cycom> hardy: AHA! It is part of the ati driver with the radeon submodule
[18:09] <cycom> it loads ati then radeon
[18:09] <x1250> hardy, its empty, but IIRC it should try to load up xserver-xorg-video-ati. Anyway, I'm not using fglrx as I did with hardy and gutsy
[18:09] <cycom> so they added some new support for 3d stuff?
[18:09] <x1250> I guess, and that would be awesome........
[18:10] <hardy> cycom: I think they added it for some cards
[18:10] <cycom> hardy: X1300 is part of a reasonably new series.
[18:11] <hardy> cycom: mine is  Mobilitiy Radeon HD 3400 Series and no 3D at all
[18:12] <hardy> cycom: how X1300 compared with 34xx? I have no idea about ati naming
[18:12] <x1250> maybe your card is not supported by the opensource driver? Are you using fglrx?
[18:14] <cycom> hardy: lspci says it's an M52, whatever that means.
[18:14] <hardy> x1250: no, fglrx doesn't work with new xorg
[18:14] <cycom> supposedly an r5xx or r6xx chip
[18:14] <cycom> hardy: isn't there a procedure to downgrade it to the version in hardy and use that?
[18:14] <hardy> cycom:  mine is RV620 whatever that means either ;)
[18:15] <hardy> cycom: i prefer to wait for a month than to mess my packages
[18:15] <cycom> hardy: true, but who says ATI is going to catch up :.
[18:16] <hardy> cycom: first it's not their fault, xorg 7.4 is still beta
[18:16] <hardy> cycom: second, they are doing a great job by all means
[18:16] <cycom> I didn't say it was their fault, just that they might not catch up.
[18:17] <cycom> they'd be doing a far better job if they'd just give up and opensource their drivers.
[18:17] <hardy> cycom: they already did
[18:17] <cycom> really? so I can download the source to the current fglrx?
[18:20] <hardy> cycom: no, they cannot open fglrx for legal reasons but they are developing radeonhd as an open source replacement
[18:21] <cycom> legal reasons?
[18:21] <cycom> legal reasons like what?
[18:22] <hardy> cycom: I am new to this stuff but according to my readings, other parties have some rights on that code that ati/amd not posses yet
[18:22] <hardy> cycom: they are now facing legal issues because of the docs they uncover
[18:22] <x1250> I would like to know if I'm using radeonhd or ati driver, since they are different packages
[18:23] <x1250> I guess I'll check xorg's log
[18:23] <cycom> x1250: is radeonhd installed?
[18:23] <dmoerner> x1250, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:23] <x1250> cycom, yes
[18:23] <dmoerner> radeonhd isn't the default on ubuntu i think
[18:23] <dmoerner> the only distribution i know of that has radeonhd as the default is sidux
[18:25] <hardy> x1250: search for lines with 'driver'
[18:26] <hardy> STRANGE! I remove fglrx which is already not working, and now suddenly I have direct rendering = yes!! and more strangely, the FPS drops from 570 to 330!!
[18:28] <x1250> its xorg-driver-ati
[18:29] <Turl> Hello
[18:29] <Turl> can anyone confirm this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/263701
[18:31] <x1250> Uhm, with xorg-driver-ati firefox scrolling seems a little faster.
[18:33] <IdleOne> nice desktop effects are working again :)
[18:35] <hardy> x1250:  before ati you are using what?
[18:36] <x1250> hardy, fglrx on ubuntu 8.04
[18:36] <hardy> x1250: and ati is faster than fglrx?!
[18:37] <hardy> cycom: I see now -ati and -radeon are the exact same drivers
[18:38] <cycom> hardy: well yeah, but when you set your Xorg.conf to load the driver ati, it'll autoload a submodule, radeon.
[18:38] <x1250> hardy, dont know about 3D performance (I guess fglrx should be faster), but it seems ati is faster with firefox scrolling, which is 2D.
[18:39] <hardy> cycom: do you see these loaded drivers with lsmod?
[18:39] <cycom> hardy: just radeon. no ati.
[18:40] <DrHalan> does anyone know if pidgin 2.5.1 will make it into ibex?
[18:43] <x1250> I guess it will unless the mantainer is infinitely busy, or dead.
[18:43] <tormod> lsmod shows the kernel module, which is "radeon" for ati/radeon card driver.
[18:43] <tormod> ati is just a wrapper that loads radeon if it matches the card
[18:44] <tormod> and try EXA and see if it speeds things up. (man radeon)
[18:45] <tormod> DrHalan: it's past Feature Freeze, so normally no new versions are allowed
[18:46] <DrHalan> tormod:  yeah i know but the ..x releases are bugfix only ones
[18:47] <tormod> DrHalan: it will still need an FFe (exception)
[18:47] <tormod> some upstream will call anything a "bugfix" :)
[18:48] <x1250> tormod, thanks for the EXA tip
[18:48] <ryanpg> hi all... trying out epiphany with webkit - spacebar doesn't seem to scroll the window down. Is this right?
[18:50] <sroecker> ryanpg, yes, it doesn't work for me either
[18:51] <ryanpg> sroecker, bummer, wonder if that's a bug or just a mis-feature
[18:52] <DrHalan> tormod, well afaik 2.5.1 improves mostly the safety and stability of the msn-plugin. what would be really important
[18:52] <DrHalan> im gonan take a look at the bug report
[18:52] <ryanpg> well, it just crashed anyway... guess not quite ready for prime time
[18:52] <sroecker> ryanpg, changing textsize doesnt work either
[18:52] <tormod> DrHalan: yes please file an FFe in that case
[18:53] <DrHalan> im sorry but whats an FFe? :P
[18:55] <tormod> DrHalan: sorry, it's Feature Freeeze Exception
[18:56] <linux1> any here any good with ffmpeg i never seen this error before "ffmpeg: symbol lookup error: ffmpeg: undefined symbol: ffm_nopts"
[18:58] <tormod> linux1: looks like some library mismatch. when does it appear?
[19:10] <linux1> tormod, im using this line to extract mp3 from a flashvideo  "ffmpeg -i /tmp/y.flv -f mp3 -vn -acodec copy "/tmp/${nv}.mp3"
[19:15] <tormod> linux1: can you link to a small .flv file?
[19:19] <perillux> in Intrepid I have very poor (strange) sound quality in flash.  The rest of the system has good sound.
[19:19] <perillux> the image quality is also much more blurry than it was in hardy
[19:23] <linux1> tormod, http://tinyurl.com/5w6are
[19:23] <alex_mayorga> what's the CLI command to upgrade from Hardy to Intrepid?
[19:24] <TheInfinity> lynx google.de :)
[19:25] <sroecker> alex_mayorga, something like sudo update-manager -d
[19:25] <tormod> linux1: I get an 403 forbidden on it
[19:26] <linux1> hmm
[19:26] <alex_mayorga> sroeckrer: tried that, but I don't have gtk over here
[19:28] <alex_mayorga> my video is borked on hardy, that's exactly why I'd like to jump to the ibex
[19:30] <geser> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[19:30] <geser> ^^ try that instead
[19:31] <DanaG> Anybody able to get these videos to play? http://h20181.www2.hp.com/plmcontent/NACSC/SML/results.htm?SID=3688868&MEID=64CDA348-40DE-44DF-9927-DB3FEB48FF25
[19:32] <sroecker> ah, didn't remember that ^^
[19:32] <alex_mayorga> geser: thanks, that did the trick
[19:32] <perillux> DanaG: have you tried the VLC player?
[19:33] <MightyTweek> Anybody else having trouble building SVN MPlayer on Intrepid?
[19:33] <DanaG> Is it possible to use it without having it take over from MPlayer?
[19:34] <DanaG> Also, last time I tried the VLC plugin... it was quite very crashy.
[19:35] <ryanpg> ibex is by far the buggiest of the beta's imho :(
[19:35] <perillux> DanaG: just tried it in VLC, didn't work
[19:36]  * ryanpg goes to review the release schedule
[19:36] <crimsun> perillux: are you using intrepid's flashplugin-nonfree (not RC)?  There are known issues.
[19:36] <perillux> ya, flashplugin-nonfree
[19:37] <perillux> crimsun: ya I'm using the flashplugin-nonfree.  should I get something else?
[19:37] <DanaG> It's a "Windows Media Player" video there.
[19:38] <DanaG> Not Flash.
[19:38] <perillux> DanaG: he is refering to my problem
[19:38] <DanaG> Aah.
[19:38] <ryanpg> I guess we've got another month before the beta freeze - but sheesh... there seem to be a lot of issues with some core apps... i.e. xorg, kernel, pulse, theme... anyway, I'm just talking to myself! :P
[19:39] <crimsun> perillux: it's probably a better idea to stick w/ what's in intrepid currently.  There are a couple prerequisities for getting the RC version into intrepid that are being addressed.
[19:40] <DanaG> I've also recently started having issues with sockets hanging or timing out.
[19:40] <perillux> crimsun: flashplugin-nonfree is the intrepid default then right?  can't remember if I switched it
[19:41] <DanaG> Oh, and gnome-settings-daemon also isn't reliably starting.
[19:41] <DanaG> ... and Flash?  Can you say, *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* *crash* ?
[19:41] <crimsun> perillux: I don't recall if it's "default"; I don't have an intrepid install up yet.
[19:41] <crimsun> DanaG: current intrepid w/ nspluginwrapper 1.1.0?
[19:41] <DanaG> Yeah.
[19:42] <crimsun> DanaG: yeah, you need to reconfigure flashplugin-nonfree
[19:42] <DanaG> At least now, it doesn't crash the whole browser, most of the time.
[19:42] <DanaG> I've added the windowlessmodedisable bit.
[19:42] <DanaG> s/bit/thing/
[19:42] <DanaG>  
[19:42] <DanaG> WindowlessDisable=true
[19:43] <crimsun> there's a bug in the packaging that lacks versioned conflicts/dependencies between the nspluginwrapper and the flashplugin-nonfree source packages so that you have to reconfigure all "nspluginwrapped" packages after an nspluginwrapper upgrade
[19:46] <DanaG> Aah.
[19:46] <perillux> and how do I do that?
[19:46] <perillux> is it easy?
[19:47] <perillux> or should I just wait for an update?
[19:47] <DanaG> I wonder if the debian packaging guidelines allow the postinst of one package to ask debconf to run the postinst of another package.
[19:48] <crimsun> perillux: your bug isn't addressed in a current package yet.
[19:48] <perillux> ok
[19:49] <crimsun> perillux: there are Ubuntu devs addressing the ia32-libs component, and after that's complete, the flashplugin-nonfree package will be submitted for approval
[19:49] <crimsun> d'oh
[19:49] <MightyTweek> Rephrasing my previous question: has anybody successfully built SVN MPlayer on Intrepid?
[19:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, when I move from my current 32-bit computer to a new 64-bit one, is there any reasonably easy way to replicate package states and config files?
[19:55] <crimsun> DanaG: the same dumping of installed/configured packages list followed by piping into apt/dpkg should work.  You'll probably want to add ia32-libs, too.
[19:55] <DanaG> Cool.
[19:55] <DanaG> Then I'll just have to remember what packages I've customized.
[19:56] <DanaG> Like, dnsmasq, interfaces, laptop-mode, and plenty of other things.
[19:57] <crimsun> DanaG: just conffile-wise?
[19:57] <DanaG> Yeah, mostly.
[19:57] <crimsun> DanaG: I recommend putting /etc into a VCS, then.
[19:57] <crimsun> DanaG: e.g., if you use bzr, just back up your ~, and push /etc to Launchpad
[19:58] <crimsun> or wherever if you're concerned about privacy
[19:58] <DanaG> Eeh, I don't keep any private stuff (such as passwords) in /etc
[19:59] <DanaG> I do also have one dpkg-diversion: local diversion of /usr/share/python-support/guidance-backends/displayconfig-hwprobe.py to /usr/share/python-support/guidance-backends/displayconfig-hwprobe.py.distrib
[20:00] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/257809
[20:01] <hardy> tormod: thanks for the clarification regarding ati/radeon
[20:03] <Myrtti> I thought I installed .27 kernel in my intrepid the other day - now it doesn't show up in another installation. Have I been dreaming, am I losing my mind or what is going on?
[20:06] <IdleOne> Myrtti: I am running .27
[20:07] <IdleOne> so you are not dreaming unless we are sharing a dream
[20:12] <crimsun> Myrtti: where all does .27 fail to appear?  in GRUB/LILO?  via dpkg -l ?
[20:15] <Myrtti> I'm just full of fail today, perhaps I should go to bed and cry myself to sleep and try again tomoroow
[20:15] <Myrtti> bwah.
[20:15] <Myrtti> claws-mail eats my mails. I'll enroll a nunnery etc.
[20:15] <crimsun> I doubt it's that disastrous.
[20:28] <x1250> Anyone using the new human theme?
[20:34] <DanaG> crimsun: I've also added some stuff in /usr/share/themes and /usr/share/midi and /usr/share/sounds and such... should I just copy those manually when I set up the new system?
[20:35] <DanaG> Those things are big enough that it'd be impolite to use bzr for them.
[21:01] <kebert> I need some help getting my Geforce FX 5700 working with Intrepid Ibex
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> kebert: which version of the drivers does that card take?
[21:01] <kebert> I believe it's the nvidia-glx-173
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> My GeForce4 takes the -96 drivers which don't work with the latest xorg. Since yours is a 5 I thought that it could have the same problem
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> but I believe the -173 drivers should work
[21:04] <kebert> Nvidia Settings never recognizes my Xorg.conf
[21:04] <kebert> "You do not appear to be using the NVidia X Driver ..."
[21:04] <kebert> I've tried using nvidia-xconfig too
[21:05] <kebert> brb
[21:06] <kebert> Any ideas?
[21:08] <hardy> Hi, in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.org the stable release is 1.4.2, I think it's 7.3, what's true?
[21:10] <tormod> hardy: 7.3 is the xorg release (all packages), 1.4.2 is the server (xserver-xorg-core in Ubuntu)
[21:12] <hardy> tormod: aha! thanks for the clarification again
[21:13] <kebert> Arg, still can't get these nvidia drivers working..
[21:13] <kebert> They worked fine under Hardy..
[21:14] <hardy> kebert: I don't know about nvidia but I know that the xorg with intrepid is a beta software that has a change in ABI which broke many drivers including ati
[21:16] <kebert> Hmm
[21:16] <tormod> hardy: ati?
[21:16] <kebert> I think that most people have fixed their nvidia drivers tho..
[21:17] <hardy> tormod: yes, 7.4 breaks fglrx
[21:17] <tormod> ok not ati but fglrx. who needs fglrx :)
[21:19] <hardy> tormod: but new cards are not supported by radeon or radeonhd properly, they perform very poor so I need fglrx
[21:19] <hardy> tormod: I only have 300 FPS
[21:20] <tormod> hardy: what card is that?
[21:21] <hardy> tormod:  RV620 Radeon HD 3450
[21:22] <kebert> Ok.. maybe you can help me get out of 800x600
[21:22] <kebert> This is driving me crazy..
[21:38] <k0de> !pi
[21:43] <mbrigdan> not exactly ubuntu, but: Why can't I find any local memory editors for linux? It seems that if a debugger such as gdb can be made someone could setup some sort of search / edit thing.
[21:46] <mbrigdan> anyone?
[22:14] <anonymous___> Is BulletProofX being included in Intrepid at the moment? If not, what happens if X isn't started correctly? Does a menu come up or are you just left at a command-line prompt?
[22:32] <tormod> mbrigdan: maybe you can run hexdump on /dev/mem ? Or you can maybe use gdb.
[22:51] <emma> is it correct to say that if you are using ubuntu 64 bit architecture, you still do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[22:51] <emma> is there there a different metapackage you use in that case?
[22:57] <MightyTweek> emma: yeah, I think that package will work on amd64
[22:58] <emma> MightyTweek: cool.
[22:58] <emma> MightyTweek: one other quick question if you happen to know, does X server work differently on Intrepid?
[22:59] <DanaG> My next laptop will have an ATI HD3650.
[22:59] <emma> MightyTweek: I made changes to my xorg.conf that have made my marble mouse roller ball work with all previously releases but did not seem to change anything on intrepid .
[22:59] <emma> i'm going ot restart to see if the changes take affect then.
[23:00] <MightyTweek> emma: according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=886980 it's using a new version of X.Org, not sure if that answers your question or not
[23:00] <diogo> hey everyone people said for me to come here.... I'm upgrading to ubuntu hardy now... but wanted to ue the radeon driver with mesa 7.1 to try on my xpress 1150... so how stable is the alpha release of Intrepid..
[23:00] <diogo> ?
[23:01] <diogo> does fglrx works on it... catalyt 8.8 released a pre support for it
[23:01] <diogo> right?
[23:10] <emma> Say, in all previous releases the information at the information in the link at the end of this sentence, made my mouse function properly, but it is not working in Intrepid, could anyone offer any suggestions -- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=169423
[23:12] <Myrtti> I'm just running slow but  my liitle brain couldn't parse that... /me clicks the linky
[23:13] <emma> Yes, I don't blame you I edited it in mid sentence and made a mistake.
[23:13] <dmoerner> emma, maybe because intrepid has switched to evdev device detection in xorg 7.4 so you are supposed to reconfigure through dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, i believe
[23:13] <Myrtti> :-D
[23:13] <dmoerner> well i began and ended that sentence with qualifiers so it was about as coherent as the original
[23:13] <emma> What I mean to say is that I've always been able to do what it says in the link, to get my mouse working correctly, by editing xorg.conf as it suggests. But now in Intrepid, it is not responding.
[23:14] <emma> dmoerner: hm.
[23:14] <emma> so run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[23:17] <diogo> question to upgrade from hardy to intrepid is just changing the stuff on the source.list and upgrading with dist-upgrade right?
[23:18] <RAOF> diogo: We'd prefer you to use 'update-manager -d' or 'do-release-upgrade -d'.
[23:18] <emma> ahh, nope there was nothing about a mouse in dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[23:19] <emma> maybe it would be called mouse-setup
[23:19] <diogo> oh... what is the command please not a adapt to ubuntu yet... still a opensuse/arch/others distros user
[23:19] <diogo> plz?
[23:19] <emma> nope, no such thing.
[23:20] <emma> I wonder why Intrepid gets away from xorg.conf when xorg.conf worked.
[23:26] <marekt> hi can ou provide me some help with knetworkmanager in intrepid?
[23:32] <pwnguin> emma: xorg.conf works as long as you don't touch it or want anything fancy, like specific hardware support
[23:32] <dbglt> anyone here have issues with flash?
[23:32] <dbglt> the plugin was meant to have installed, but it only plays one second then pauses
[23:33] <dbglt> I can skip to anywhere in the video, and it will do the same thing again
[23:39] <emma> pwnguin: i see. In the past with Edgy, Feisty, Gutsy, and Hardy, xorg.conf made it possible to use my rollerball mouse. How do you do that now in Intrepid?  This is how I used to do it in all other releases -- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=169423
[23:40] <pwnguin> you can still use xorg.conf
[23:40] <pwnguin> we're just trying to remove the need
[23:41] <emma> I see. But I made the changes as I always do to xorg.conf and nothing happens now. In the past, by adding the lines in that link, it makes all buttons work and ability to scroll. Now when I add those lines, nothing changes.
[23:42] <marekt> is there quanta-kde4 package already?
[23:44] <schmidtm> no there is no quanta-kde4 package in the repos
[23:47] <emma> pwnguin: any ideas?
[23:53] <pwnguin> emma: put your xorg.conf and xorg log into a pastebin or bug
[23:54] <emma> pwnguin: Okay one moment.
[23:55] <LocutusOfBorg> does anybody know when will be the deadline for ubuntu intrepid artwork?
[23:56] <emma> pwnguin: -- http://club-ubuntu.pastebin.com/d510cb786
[23:56] <emma> pwnguin: I seem to remember there used to be a lot more in there, in Hardy.
[23:56] <Oli``> I just moved up from hardy and in the install process, it said there was a problem upgrading update-manager. Anyway, it looked to have all worked fine but I tried to load Software Sources and it seems to crash 100% of the time. There's a LP thread that suggests they're related but how would I go about fixing update-manager?
[23:57] <LocutusOfBorg> Oli``, i have submitted this bug on launchpad one nmonth ago
[23:57] <pwnguin> emma: HAL is the autodetect system in use to flesh out X.org configuration
[23:57] <Oli``> LocutusOfBorg: get anywhere with it yet?
[23:57] <pwnguin> emma: it sets up most of xorg, but it's not 100 percent finished
[23:57] <LocutusOfBorg> wait
[23:58] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/243736
[23:58] <LocutusOfBorg> is the ssame?
[23:58] <pwnguin> emma: i need the logs to see how much of that worked
[23:59] <emma> pwnguin: i certainly don't expect everything to work when I'm using Intrepid but I do want to do whatever is useful to help those who can make a difference, ensure that it works before the release.
[23:59] <emma> okay.
[23:59] <emma> xorg log.. where's that located?
[23:59] <pwnguin> /var/log
[23:59] <emma> okay cool one second then.