[00:00] anyone know how to fix dkms_autoinstaller so it doesn't fail on both my nvidia and vboxdrv drivers? [00:03] y? what gnome version does Hardy use? [00:04] 2.22 I think [00:04] intrepid - 0.02 [00:10] i'm thinking I just need a symlink in /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/ folder to address the .27-2 kernel. right now, there's only a symlink for .27-1? [00:21] any of y'all having trouble building things from source on intrepid? [00:22] ToHellWithGA, no. what is your specific problem? [00:22] i cannot build rtorrent stable from source [00:23] using semi-ready source i can run ./configure but make errors out [00:23] using svn i get a ton of autoconf/automake barf errors [00:23] you can pastebin the errors here [00:23] roger that i'll do that in a sec [00:23] have to reboot this machine. display won't wake up :( [00:23] thanks dmoerner, i'll be back [00:23] ToHellWithGA: rtorrent svn doesn't compile without some patches currently (can be found on their bugtracker) [00:29] dmoerner: which would be easier to troubleshoot, make errors or autogen.sh errors? [00:29] ToHellWithGA, make errors [00:31] http://thestonepedo.pastebin.ca/1189959 [00:33] ToHellWithGA: rtorrent svn doesn't compile without some patches currently (can be found on their bugtracker) [00:33] it is not current svn [00:33] ToHellWithGA, http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/attachment/ticket/1266/libtorrent-gcc43-v2.patch [00:33] it is revision 1034 [00:33] yeah, that's the gcc 4.3 problem - needs a patch too. see dmoerner's link [00:33] oh, that [00:33] :( [00:34] google is your friend [00:36] What's the intrepid equivalent for sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, that's to say, to change the driver and screen setup without manually editing xorg.conf ? [00:36] that's such a bummer [00:37] google is my friend, but i'd not have known where to look at libtorrent not building on intrepid ibex [00:37] uh, displayconfig-gtk? [00:37] i did, in my defense, google "libtorrent" "intrepid" "error" [00:37] i just searched the error with the header file [00:37] file_list_iterator.h: In member function 'uint32_t torrent::FileListIterator::depth() const' [00:38] is the first thing after "In file" is what i should use to search? [00:38] i might be able to remember that :) [00:38] thanks dmoerner and void^ [00:47] void^: was that for me? [00:51] address_list.cc: In member function 'void torrent::AddressList::parse_address_normal(const std::list >&)': [00:51] dmoerner: how about that one? [00:51] it made for much much longer after i applied those patches [00:51] for what it's worth :) [00:55] ack, missed one line of diff'ing [00:55] disregard the previous request please dmoerner, thanks [01:07] is there a rss feed that has package update's changelogs? [01:13] What's the intrepid equivalent for sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, that's to say, to change the driver and screen setup without manually editing xorg.conf ? [01:14] did it change in Intrepid or something? [01:15] * JontheEchidna always did sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg [01:18] * DanaG edits xorg.conf manually. [01:18] =þ [01:19] JontheEchidna: yep, it did :/ [01:20] lol, well the xorg.conf it generates still recommends doing that... [01:20] DanaG: feel like editing mine? It complains that it can't find module "nv", "nvidia" and "vesa", depending on which one I try to use [01:20] Odd. that's not an xorg.conf issue; it sounds more like a 'missing packages' issue. [01:27] JontheEchidna: it changed before that [01:27] and ryanakca for that matter [01:28] there have been no video configuration options since... feisty perhaps? [01:28] dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg always gave me a clean xorg [01:29] if you drop "-phigh" you used to be able to set video settings [01:29] now you have to run displayconfig-gtk [01:29] seems goofy that the video should be controlled by gnome rather than the x server [01:31] Hello [01:31] hi Turl [01:31] what's happening? [01:32] I just installed network-manager (I was using wicd previously) and when I try to store a connection "System-wide" it fails with a message [01:32] is this the expected behavior? [01:33] is network-manager not installed by default? [01:33] i'm not familiar with it as a CLI tool, are you using nm-applet in gnome? [01:33] ToHellWithGA: how are we supposed to run displayconfig-gtk if our X is broken? [01:33] ryanakca: exactly [01:34] that's why i miss dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [01:34] at least with dpkg-reconfigure you could choose VESA@640x480 [01:34] Which is what "xfix" runs, from the recovery session. [01:34] oh hi RAOF [01:34] somebody else helped me figure out the build issues i was having [01:34] ToHellWithGA, yes It is installed by default, but I was using wicd previously, and when you install wicd nm is removed, and yes, I'm using nm-applet [01:35] * RAOF is just passing through [01:35] Turl: what are you trying to get it to do? [01:35] keyless login to wireless networks? [01:35] Turl: Obviously that's a bug; I'm not sure if it's been reported yet, but you could search launchpad. [01:35] to store a wifi connection system wide, a WPA one [01:36] so there really will be other users logging in on your system? [01:36] i was able to store my connection without a key to unlock and allow it to connect [01:36] dunno if that way would work for you [01:37] not really, but sometimes I don't login on GDM and use command-line directly and I'd like it to connect automatically on boot, so I have wifi on cli also [01:39] that sounds cool [01:39] i have never tried that [01:39] do you save batteries by not running over-the-top GUI stuff? [01:39] ? don't get what you say ToHellWithGA [01:40] i like CLI as much as the next guy but have never had a reason to use it exclusively. do you get better battery life when you use only CLI rather than GUI? [01:41] i'm assuming you are working on a laptop. if it is plugged into the wall my question wouldn't be valid [01:42] I'm not running on a laptop :p [01:42] It's a desktop, and it's obviously plugged into the wall :) [01:43] right XD [01:43] that makes much more sense to me [01:43] spanish? xD [01:43] i never think of wifi+desktops [01:43] no habla [01:43] Yo si hablo español [01:44] ich kann nur ein bisschen deutsch [01:44] I use wifi because i have several pcs @ home, and they are far from each other, so it's unconvenient to have ethernet cable [01:45] i see. my only stationary computer is by my modem and router [01:45] my laptop is wireless but my desktop is wired [01:46] could you move the wireless router so that the desktop with issues is wired? [01:46] not at all :S [01:46] bummer [01:47] I can connect to the wifi, though [01:47] I'm on that PC now [01:47] I cannot save it as system wide, but as per-user it works fine [01:47] can you run the configuration program as root perhaps? [01:48] i don't know if that would make it save differently [01:48] out to lunch, will try afterwards [01:48] if it already requires gksudo permission it may not make any difference [01:53] I can't add startup programs to "session" in intrepid [01:54] when I try to add something (have stuff in all 3 fields, with a valid program) when I click add it says: "The startup command cannot be empty." [01:55] I'm just trying to make pidgin open at startup. Has anyone been able to do this? [02:01] jason_, let me try [02:02] yes, i can confirm that happens [02:02] please fill a bug [02:02] I will, but sorry, where do I file bugs for intrepid? [02:02] on launchpad.net [02:03] ok [02:03] just say you are using intrepid ;) or add [intrepid] in the title [02:13] someone already filed the bug [02:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/260910 [02:13] Launchpad bug 260910 in gnome-session "gnome-session-properties alerts "the startup command cannot be empty" whenever I try adding an autostart program" [Low,Fix committed] [02:14] also, someone claimed they found a fix for it. They said that the problem was that the folder ~/.config/autostart had "root" as the owner so all you have to do is change it to your user. [02:14] However, my autostart folder already has me as the owner and NOT root, but I still have the problem. so that can't be it [02:15] it says it's fixed on SVN, now you only need to wait it to be updated [02:15] ok, i can wait np [03:01] Anyone know if wubi on intrepid alpha4 is broken? [03:15] wouldnt surprise me, there isn't a livecd, and vm stuff is broken. I would guess that they would support wubi a bit later [03:32] Hi. Is ndiswrapper known to be broken? [03:36] danbhfive: thanks [03:41] vadi: ndiswrapper works for me, on both hardy and intrepid. Though, its missing from the intrepid cd!!!! Noooo......... [03:57] danbhfive: Are you sure that you need ndiswrapper for your card? [04:02] Jordan_U: why wouldn't I? Has their been progress in wireless driver development? [04:02] danbhfive: Yes, for instance if you have a wireless n capable atheros card [04:04] hehe, nope, its just a trendnet g card [04:04] ndiswrapper is required in fewer cases than people think these days [04:04] The big 3 (Intel, Atheros and Broadcom) are covered by reasonably capable native drivers [04:04] BUT, I just yesterday ordered one of those wireless n cards yesterday. w00t w00t!!! [04:05] danbhfive: Looks like some trendent cards at least use an atheros chipset, did you try wither ath5k or ath_pci ( madwifi ) ? [04:06] s/wither/with either/ [04:06] Jordan_U: I dunno, I've been using ndiswrapper, and a set of windows drivers since dapper [04:06] The trick with Broadcom - and a lot of people miss this - is that they need custom firmware to be downloaded which requires an internet connection be present in order to get the wireless working. A chicken and egg situation if the wireless is your only means of connection [04:06] Jordan_U: it was the suggested advice at the time, and I've never really looked into it since [04:07] Atheros (g chips at least) and Intel work pretty much out of the box [04:08] danbhfive: Try going with the native drivers. Why depend on an ugly hack if you don't need to? [04:09] Speaking of Atheros, is ath9k going to be in Intrepid? I can't seem to find it and a number of people are starting to need it [04:09] LSD|Ninja: Its here already [04:10] Jordan_U: well, how would I do that? I already know it doesn't work outofthebox on intrepid... [04:11] danbhfive: can you pastebin the output from lspci so we can see what chipset you have? [04:11] Jordan_U: a yes, its an sis163 chipset [04:11] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/42297/ [04:13] and, a more relevant paste: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/42298/ [04:14] danbhfive: Ahh, it's a USB dongle, those are rarely supported, go with a PCI card next time :) [04:15] Jordan_U: hmm, didn't know that. Well, either way, this new card is pci, wireless n (atheros), and listed on the free software foundation page, so, everything is pointing towards native support [04:20] * DanaG doesn't see any valid reasoning behind Broadcom's disallowing distribution of firmware. [04:20] Who cares what their reasoning is, it's their reasoning [04:21] I mean, I can understand keeping it closed source.... but why not allow distribution? [04:24] oooo, oooo, there is a webpage on it [04:24] there is a good reason [04:25] o wait, nvm, you mean distribution, not the close aspect [04:36] bye [04:41] Just wondering, are there any cards with open source firmware or is it pretty much all cards have closed firmware but some don't have to have it loaded by the OS ? [04:48] the intel stuff should be free? [04:48] iwl3945 is a free driver. [04:53] Hobbsee: But still has a firmware blob. [04:54] Not that I think there's anything particularly _wrong_ with a firmware blob, and they have regulatory reasons to keep it a blob. [04:55] RAOF: i thought they had to keep it as an actual blob to make it work - but i thought there was a source for the blob. [04:55] unlike ipw3945 [04:55] I just installed Intrepid and I have no sound [04:56] IIRC ipw had a userspace regulatory binary blob, iwl just uploads a firmware blob, but there's no source for the firmware (or you can't upload modified firmware, which would be equivalent). [05:01] jason_: In which case it's likely a local issue; I don't believe there's a global sound problem in Intrepid at the moment. [05:01] any ideas on how I can fix it? [05:02] Not really. [05:02] RAOF: ah, right. [05:04] never mind, i fixed it [05:08] ... and iwl3945 also is less reliable than ipw3945, for me, sometimes. [05:29] !info deluge-torrent [05:29] deluge-torrent (source: deluge-torrent): A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.9.3-1 (intrepid), package size 2074 kB, installed size 5872 kB [05:48] anyone got intrepid to work with fglrx? [05:49] ive tried about everything i could try and searched google high and low [05:49] just not happening [05:50] fglrx module wont load, tried the install-fglrx-debian.sh script and when i rebooted my computer froze shortly after i entered my encrypted drive password [05:51] ill roll up till someone gets here that knows [05:51] * midkniht settles in for a few months [05:54] * danbhfive wonders when to report bugs that are not gnome related, like fglrx [05:54] do you just wait for the beta of ubuntu? [05:55] asap [05:57] the bug is reported [05:57] its not a bug in fgrlx its the ati/amd firmware it looks like [05:57] well, I have an nvidia card, and there were 3 drivers listed. I tried the 3rd, and it really didn't work. I just got stuck in "low resolution mode". But, I have no idea why there are 3 drivers listed in the first place. I just assume, "they" are working on it. [05:57] the current solution: "downgrade Xorg" [05:58] yeah 3 work for the ati card too suposedly, fglrx, radeon, radeonhd [05:58] none work for me [05:59] its pretty worthless when it doesnt work with the current version of x11 [05:59] xorg [05:59] wtf ever [06:00] im almost tempted to install debian [06:01] danbhfive: The package descriptions state what cards those specific packages support [06:01] out of frustration? [06:01] ah, ill have to take a look [06:01] midkniht: Why are you complaining about a non released version of Ubuntu? [06:03] wtf are they putting drivers in that dont work [06:03] thats stupid not alpha software [06:03] maybe Canonical should wait to name the release till the beta. I think naming it so early gives people the idea that there is something there worthy of a name. Just leave it named... ubuntu alpha or something. Every next release has the same name, ubuntu-alpha [06:03] danbhfive: As of this moment, the -76 and -96 drivers don't work with Intrepid's version of xorg. [06:04] danbhfive: Also, I think that the -173 driver's kernel module is failing to build against our 2.6.27 kernel. [06:05] lol RAOF, so that covers all three. Its all out of my league anyway, atm. [06:05] The -177 drivers work, though. If they support your card, of course :) [06:06] mk [06:07] midkniht: Is there any reason not to include the package? Remember, this is not for general consumption, this is for those wishing to develop the next version of Ubuntu and / or file bug reports. [06:07] wait, so why were only 3 listed for me? I can't remember which ones were listed... hold on, im gona reboot [06:07] why are you including a package that you know doesnt work [06:07] thats pointless [06:07] danbhfive: If only 3 were listed, chances are the 4th won't support your card. [06:08] midkniht: To check that the packaging works, of course. [06:08] im thinking if i was trying to install a certain piece of hardware i could rely on someone at least thinking the driver worked for a package to be avaialbale [06:08] midkniht: To check for dependency issues possibly [06:08] not that it even actually had to work [06:09] just that they compiled it for the platform and someone said it was supposed to work [06:09] then you work on bugs [06:09] not just leave the shit in that you know is broken and tell people to downgrade [06:09] thats a waste of everyones resources in the entire dev cycle [06:10] * RAOF notes that we _don't_ tell people to downgrade. [06:10] We'd love to have a working driver. Sadly, we can't. [06:10] lets burn the mutha down [06:10] Although, as I understand it, the open-source ati driver should support at least 2d on all ATI cards. [06:11] not working for me [06:11] At all? [06:11] nope [06:11] radeon, radeonhd, or fgrlx [06:11] none work [06:11] its stupid [06:11] im using vesa [06:11] What card? [06:12] Care to paste a /var/log/Xorg.0.log with an attempt at loading the ati driver? [06:13] umm [06:14] As in, pastebin :) [06:14] the actual issue is when the firmware is loaded in the kernel [06:14] Which means that it's an fglrx problem, because neither radeon nor radeonhd care about that. [06:15] RAOF: 177 is the driver that failed me : ( [06:15] ok well let me try to load radeonhd again [06:15] midkniht: radeon is a better bet. [06:16] (Or ati, which resolves to radeon anyway). [06:16] midkniht: Another possible reason is that they wanted to be able to test jockey to see if it was detecting the correct hardware and installing the correct package for that hardware [06:17] breb [06:17] brb [06:18] Intrepid's boot times are impressive [06:38] ok, royal screwup here... I did a dpkg -i on a bunch of deb packages, included in them were some I didn't want to install (and may screw up my system). How do I remove thsoe exact packages? [06:38] they include: findutils libc6 libgcc1 libgcrypt11 libgpg-error0 vpnc [06:39] if I do apt-get remove it will simply remove the package from my system yeah? I don't want to do that! [06:39] (I think I need some of them [06:39] (eg libc6) [06:40] aptitude install libc6=$VERSION_YOU_WANT may work. You can work out $VERSION_YOU_WANT with apt-cache policy. [06:40] RAOF: apt-cache policy? [06:40] On the other hand, given that your system isn't totally broken, I can tell that libc6 isn't broken for you :) [06:40] dbglt: 'apt-cache policy libc6' [06:40] RAOF: yeah, kind of worrying when I try to update :p [06:41] ahh [06:41] I think it's the right version (I got it off the ubuntu intrepid website half an hour ago, when I didn't have local net access) [06:41] I just don't want to remove every package (which is the suggested solution :|) [06:42] RAOF: (in other words, packages are legit, correct version and everything... it's just the configure stage that's failing - I want to remove that) [06:43] You mean, 'dpkg --configure -a' fails? Can you pastebin the output? [06:44] RAOF: yeah. Sorry about the poor phrasing. http://pastebin.com/m58c00218 [06:48] RAOF: I did a sudo dpkg -i *.deb, and it installed the bunch [06:48] but failed at configuration [06:51] dbglt: Are you connected to the internet now? [06:51] dbglt: On that machine of course [06:52] Jordan_U: yeah [06:52] dbglt: If so then a quick "sudo apt-get -f install " should sort things out [06:53] Jordan_U: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libgcc1 [06:54] dbglt: From apt ? [06:55] Sorry, missed the end of your paste, apt-get -f alone wouldn't fix that [06:55] Jordan_U: (ie. no go :() [07:05] Jordan_U: sorry, had to move classes :D [07:06] Jordan_U: any idea how to fix that? [07:09] trying to do: sudo apt-get install -f, and I get "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libgcc1" [07:10] any ideas? :\ [07:18] any clue folks? Bit stuck here! [07:33] Grrrr, ****** gnome-session isn't working. [07:33] It starts the wallpaper and pidgin (and now compiz)..... and then just sits there. [07:33] Doing nothing. For five minutes. [07:33] No panel, no icons, no gnome-settings-daemon. [07:33] If I run gnome-session under strace, I get tons of EAGAIN on trying to connect() sockets. [07:34] Anybody know what causes that? [07:34] Oh... and nvidia makes my consoles entirely blank. Thanks, nvidia! [07:35] Oh, and only now did it load my icons. [07:36] Oh, and now gnome-settings-daemon started. [07:36] you can't rush these things ;) [07:36] It shouldn't take FIVE MINUTES to log in. [07:37] Oddly enough, booting an older kernel (_sometimes_) fixes it [07:39] Oh, and now my top panel has appeared, with nothing on it. [07:40] heh [07:40] Maybe I should try the nvidia blob. [07:40] I don't see that problem :) [07:40] All my panels seem to be working only graphics config has taken another dump so I'm stuck at 800x800 in VESA >_< [07:41] It's only when I'm repeatedly ctrl-alt-backspace'ing and chvt'ing. [07:41] log in to gdm.... c-a-b (that's ctrl-alt-backspace), c-a-f1, do something, go back to gdm, log in, kill it again, wait for it to pop up, switch to terminal again. [07:41] Rinse and repeat. [07:42] Oh, and magic sysrq doesn't work with evdev for keyboard! [07:43] Still nothing on the panel... [07:59] still ******** broken. [08:00] I don't get how executing 'dbus-launch gnome-session' can work within the failsafe-terminal session... but not when done automatically. [08:02] It must be a race condition of some sort. [08:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/146946 [08:07] Launchpad bug 146946 in gnome-control-center "Gnome settings daemon randomly does not work" [Unknown,Confirmed] [08:11] argh, I'm getting rather aggravated at that thing. [08:17] Does Gnome not like having an internet-accessible ipv6 address? [08:32] Oh heck... it's hanging on starting PulseAudio. [08:35] ... it's like things are refusing to do ANYTHING if pulseaudio is not already running. [08:36] That'd be libgnome, I believe. [08:38] Hmm, and I can't run gnome-sound-properties over ssh... [08:40] That may well complain about various dbusery. [08:41] I'm not getting a /tmp/dbus-anything at all. [08:41] I straced it once, and got a whole lot of EAGAIN upon it trying to connect() a socket. [08:43] Even gnome-panel itself takes a freakishly long time to start. [08:44] .. and this mostly only happens with the 2.6.27 kernel! [08:44] That's what I don't get... did the kernel break sockets? [08:44] When the socket it's trying to connect to has a not-yet-started pulseaudio daemon on teh other end? [08:45] I'm not sure which socket it's trying to connect to. [08:45] I'm guessing it's trying to connect to ESD; libgnome does. [08:46] Or, at least, did at one point, and some guy got annoyed with it, and blogged about it, and posted a patch to libgnome. [08:46] Oddly enough, it all works fine when I manually do 'exec dbus-launch gnome-session' in the failsafe terminal session. [08:46] * RAOF has no comment to that. [08:48] Isn't that weird? [08:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/183776 [08:52] Bug report.... re-broken? [08:52] Launchpad bug 183776 in gnome-session "gnome session fails to start after upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04" [Medium,Invalid] [08:53] Or rather... I think it IS still dbus breakage. [09:04] aaugh... it WAS a pulse/esd config issue. [09:06] yay, fixed. === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [09:09] Note to self: don't ctrl-backslash gnome-panel, or it'll kill its child processes. [09:09] Instead, kill -9 it. [09:13] ctrl backslash? [09:15] That's SIGQUIT. [09:16] ... with a core dump, too. [09:16] Good way to trigger a crashdump if you need one to demonstrate a hang. [09:58] hi all, trying to do a sudo apt-get install -f, as a result I get "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libgcc1" [09:58] any ideas? [09:58] no idea how to fix it [10:00] :( [10:01] Oh heyas, anybody know how to grab a video frame with mplayer? [10:07] I seem to have screwed my dpkg/apt. Anyone who can help/knows more about it than I? [10:07] RAOF: still about? [10:17] try sudo dpkg --configure -a [10:18] Good morning! [10:19] I've got an issue with Ibex and Evolution. Now evo crashes almost immediately upon launch; usually with an XCB error. [10:19] Should I file this with Launchpad, or...? [10:24] toresbe: yes with an error or crash report using apport [10:24] is there any way to easily remove/replace libstdc6++ and libgcc1 [10:24] ? [10:27] gnomefreak: yep [10:28] dbglt: hold that thought === avis- is now known as avis [10:31] dbglt: no its not interchangable [10:32] is there any way to install two packages concurrently with dpkg? [10:32] gnomefreak: ? [10:32] I need to install libc6 and libgcc1 - both depend on each other [10:33] dbglt: libc6 is already installed [10:33] I FIXED MY SYSTEM [10:33] woohooo [10:33] it was screwed :) [10:33] then I replaced libc6 and libgcc1 and libstdc6++ [10:34] (scary, yes) [10:34] :D :D :D === marko_ is now known as marko-_- [10:50] i'm running a daily build from yesterday, also tried alpha 4 and alpha 3 but so far every time I complete the install and try to boot up, i just get a blank screen [10:51] I am paddling in the shallow waters of Ubuntu bug fixing, after having been involved in reporting many bugs. I have released a fix for bug 118168 I would like someone to check my code, and help me through integratig it into released packages. [10:51] Launchpad bug 118168 in cron "Crontab accepts files with no newline before EOL/EOF. Cron ignores file" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118168 [10:51] BonezAU, try booting without splash [10:52] sroecker, it does not make any difference. When I do a recovery boot, drop to a console and type 'startx' I just get the same blank screen [10:53] BonezAU, what graphics card do you have? [10:57] sroecker, a Nvidia 9600GT 512mb [10:58] sroecker, my PC is only about 2 months old, I am finding out the hard way that all of my hardware is too new for most linux distros... the reason I want to try Intrepid is because it is more up to date, hardy is a waste of time [10:58] BonezAU, hmm, nvidia should work. at least with the nv driver [10:59] BonezAU, what does your Xorg.log say? [10:59] checking for GTK... configure: error: GTK+-2.8 is required to compile candido [10:59] which package is needed ? [10:59] libgtk2.0-dev ? [11:00] using ibex [11:00] here [11:00] not hardy [11:00] sroecker, that would have to be about the only logfile I have not checked yet.. brb ;) [11:00] murlidhar, yes [11:01] i gues i already installed it [11:02] sudo apt-get install libgtk-dev [11:02] * murlidhar says sorry [11:02] my fault [11:02] sroecker: thanks [11:03] np [11:03] will be back again if some problem come bye [11:54] how do i get my time to synch? [11:55] i noticed the time applet changed, and i accidentally set the time while looking at it, and now it's off by about 15 mins, and it's not synching [12:58] i have installed candido engine but it doesn't seem to be working [12:58] actually compiled from source and installed using checkinstall [12:58] but it isn't working [12:58] it is working absolutely fine in hardy [12:59] we don't support checkinstalled crack here, sorry. [12:59] is there anything i should do ? [12:59] Hobbsee: i also tried make install [12:59] consult those who wrote checkinstall, to support their own stuff? [13:00] either way, "doesn't work" isnt' helpful. [13:01] doesn't seem to be working [13:01] i didn;t say it doesn't work [13:01] i said it doesn't seem to be working [13:01] same thing. [13:01] (well, same meaning) [13:02] What makes you think that it isn't working? [13:02]