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| kwwii | pitti: hey man, did both of my packages get into the last alpha? (the ones I gave you before leaving for vacation) | 08:49 |
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| pitti | hey kwwii | 08:49 |
| pitti | kwwii: which versions? (just use "rmadison foo" to check the version of foo in all Ubuntu releases) | 08:49 |
| kwwii | ahh, thanks, now I see it | 08:51 |
| lool | seb128: Hey, welcome back | 09:04 |
| seb128 | hello lool, thanks | 09:05 |
| lool | seb128: We discussed some desktop bits on Friday | 09:05 |
| lool | seb128: (I was the fallback contact for desktop stuff last week as everybody was on vac) | 09:05 |
| seb128 | who is we and which ones exactly? ;-) | 09:05 |
| lool | During release meeting | 09:06 |
| lool | You might want to read the first part of the log, skipping mobile stuff | 09:06 |
| lool | Concerning desktop, gvfsd-trasher crasher and gtk+ screen flicker were discussed | 09:06 |
| lool | mdz brought up an old gpm bug | 09:07 |
| seb128 | I've noticed those bugs in the summary | 09:07 |
| lool | I mentionned cheese shall be updated | 09:07 |
| lool | seb128: I bought a webcam last week | 09:07 |
| seb128 | the gvfsd-trash crasher is not really an issue out of the number of duplicates and I've no clue how to get good informations or fix it | 09:07 |
| seb128 | the gtk+ screen flicker, mclasen consider it as an xorg bug | 09:08 |
| lool | seb128: Yeah, me neither, the valgrind log isn't very helpful | 09:08 |
| lool | seb128: That said, the valgrind log might be better with more ddebs or something | 09:08 |
| seb128 | no | 09:08 |
| lool | seb128: The problem with the screen flicker is that it is a lack of API on the xorg side | 09:08 |
| seb128 | I did get valgrind logs for the trash crasher using a debug build, etc | 09:08 |
| seb128 | there is an incorrect jump listed but the top stacktrace has no symbol | 09:09 |
| lool | seb128: So what happened is that gtk+ moved to a new API only to realize that it was too expensive/disruptive | 09:09 |
| seb128 | I don't think it's in my power to fix the xorg api ;-) | 09:09 |
| seb128 | or gtk | 09:09 |
| seb128 | I would rather prefer let upstream sort that | 09:09 |
| lool | seb128: Exactly my point, I agree with the analysis that going forward we ought to fix the API | 09:09 |
| lool | seb128: But this will be in xrandr 1.3, then all drivers will have to be updated to support it, then gtk+ will be able to use it | 09:10 |
| lool | And the new API wasn't yet accepted | 09:10 |
| lool | So we're talking of a 3 months minimum cycle here | 09:10 |
| lool | (AIUI) | 09:10 |
| seb128 | I'm confident that upstream will do something for FC10 which is due around the intrepid schedule too | 09:10 |
| seb128 | gtk upstream | 09:10 |
| seb128 | so I would just let them sort that | 09:11 |
| lool | Ok; I personally think gtk+ should defer using randr's problematic API until it has what they need | 09:11 |
| lool | Hey pitti, welcome back! | 09:11 |
| lool | pitti: You also might want to poke at the release team meeting's log from friday! :) | 09:12 |
| lool | pitti: One of the thing which came up was the consolekit config patch to not allow everybody to shutdown or reboot the machine; this prevents shutdown/reboot from the desktop though | 09:12 |
| pitti | lool: hey, thanks | 09:13 |
| lool | pitti: I guess we should revert to the gdm socket method | 09:13 |
| pitti | lool: right, either we enable the functionality in CK like upstream, or use gdm | 09:13 |
| lool | pitti: Yup; I thought this was your choice to make as you were on top of misc hal/dbus/ck issues and have some security clue | 09:13 |
| lool | pitti: I am disturbed too with this shutdown/reboot dbus interface | 09:14 |
| pitti | lool: I have bug 250506 open in a tab to address it ASAP | 09:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 250506 in consolekit "shutdown and restart buttons do nothing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250506 | 09:14 |
| lool | That's indeed the one we discussed I think | 09:14 |
| huats | morning everyone | 10:11 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 10:12 |
| huats | plop seb128 | 10:12 |
| huats | I hope you had nice (and deserved) holidays :) | 10:12 |
| seb128 | yes, excellent, thanks ;-) | 10:14 |
| huats | :) | 10:14 |
| wgrant | seb128: Since you seem to be lord of all things g-s-d and g-c-c, what do you think of my proposed fixes for bug #207781? | 10:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 207781 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-control-center and gnome-settings-daemon hardcode "Synaptics Touchpad", which breaks without xorg.conf" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207781 | 10:33 |
| seb128 | wgrant: I've no clue about touchpad so I would prefer let somebody else comment | 10:34 |
| seb128 | wgrant: and apparently there is no patch attached to this bug? | 10:34 |
| wgrant | seb128: That's true, I apparently forgot to attach debdiffs. | 10:35 |
| wgrant | seb128: Who is more qualified? | 10:35 |
| seb128 | you could ask bryce maybe or #ubuntu-x | 10:35 |
| wgrant | OK, will do. Thanks. | 10:35 |
| seb128 | would be nicer to have an xorg api to query that rather than relying on the naming | 10:36 |
| wgrant | My patch relies on the name of a property, but that property is what is used to set things, so it's safe. | 10:37 |
| wgrant | I can't see a better way. | 10:37 |
| * NCommander is away: This creature sleeps beyond the reaches of time itself | 11:25 | |
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| seb128 | hey pedro_ | 13:45 |
| pedro_ | hey seb128! welcome back ;-) | 13:45 |
| seb128 | thanks ;-) | 13:46 |
| seb128 | pedro_: pitti has started fixing the retracers, that's not perfect yet but the intrepid one should be running again now | 13:46 |
| pedro_ | woohoo go pitti ;-) | 13:46 |
| pedro_ | seb128: thanks for let me know dude | 13:46 |
| vuntz | seb128: hey | 13:52 |
| seb128 | hello vuntz | 13:52 |
| vuntz | seb128: just wanted to know what were the ubuntu plans for the logout dialog? | 13:52 |
| seb128 | vuntz: I was sort of waiting on you because you told me you were going to land the opensuse dialog upstream but I guess that's not going to happen this cycle now? | 13:52 |
| vuntz | seb128: I hope that http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507101 will get committed today, but I'm not sure it's fine for you | 13:53 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 507101 in general "New UI for logout/shutdown dialogs" [Minor,New] | 13:53 |
| vuntz | seb128: heh. So, it's going to happen really soon now. Just need an icon and a second release team approval | 13:53 |
| seb128 | vuntz: ah excellent | 13:53 |
| andre__ | vuntz: ping those lazy r-t lurkers, ping them to death! | 13:54 |
| vuntz | andre__: waiting for the icon to be ready (I'm making artists work right now ;-)) | 13:55 |
| vuntz | seb128: you can see the screenshots at the end of the bug | 13:56 |
| vuntz | seb128: if you want one dialog with everything, it's possible, but you'll likely need to patch gnome-session (I suggest adding an Ubuntu-specific dbus method for the new dialog) | 13:56 |
| seb128 | vuntz: right, I like the dialog but I've the feeling we will be asked to get a variant listing all the options for ubuntu | 13:56 |
| seb128 | right | 13:57 |
| seb128 | lool: how busy are you nowadays? would you have some time to look at desktop packaging issues? | 14:16 |
| lool | seb128: I'm overcommitted, but depends what you're going to ask | 14:18 |
| seb128 | lool: the pygobject update is tricky because they added a library and that doesn't play nicely with the multi python versions, doko started doing the packaging changes required before his holidays but there is a bug and it doesn't build | 14:20 |
| seb128 | lool: I've planned to look at it but I think I'll be swamped with updates and catching up this week so I was trying to see if you were maybe interested by having a look at the update | 14:20 |
| lool | seb128: What source version didn't build? | 14:21 |
| seb128 | 2.15.2 | 14:21 |
| lool | Where I can get this? | 14:21 |
| lool | ("buildd" says 2.15.1-0ubuntu2 and that it built fine) | 14:21 |
| seb128 | lool: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/pygobject/ is the work in progress that doko did | 14:21 |
| seb128 | lool: right, I didn't upload the new one since it's buggy | 14:21 |
| seb128 | lool: you have the version before the changes (which fails to build because there is a conflict on the new lib because python versions) and the doko changes which ftbfs too but for an another reason (not sure which one now, I looked at it before my holidays quickly) | 14:25 |
| lool | seb128: Do you know what doko intendend to do? | 14:25 |
| lool | He added autoconf and automake bdeps and changed the way the source is built | 14:25 |
| lool | Ah I need to rebase on my version it seems | 14:26 |
| seb128 | lool: I think he wanted to version the library name, he said that's similar to what python-svn does | 14:26 |
| lool | seb128: Do you know why the library is public instead of being e.g. a python module? | 14:31 |
| lool | - Add a new installed library libpyglib-2.0, which contains the extension | 14:31 |
| lool | API for third-part modules instead of relying on macros which accesses | 14:31 |
| lool | struct fields. | 14:31 |
| lool | I'm not quite sure who's going to use it | 14:31 |
| lool | There's no .pc file at least | 14:31 |
| lool | Hmm there's also public API | 14:32 |
| seb128 | lool: no, better to ask to jdahlin on the gnome IRC | 14:34 |
| seb128 | you already did ;-) | 14:34 |
| kwwii | seb128: the ubuntulooks package was removed from the seed for intrepid, right? | 14:40 |
| seb128 | no clue, but that's public information so you can look as quickly as I can do | 14:41 |
| kwwii | erm, where? | 14:41 |
| lool | kwwii: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/intrepid or some such | 14:41 |
| lool | /platform.intrepid and /ubuntu.intrepid rather | 14:42 |
| mpt | loic, I've been pointed in your direction for implementing improvements to the codec installation interface. Do you have a few minutes to discuss the current implementation? | 15:48 |
| mpt | lool, ^^ | 15:48 |
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| lool | mpt: Hmm | 16:50 |
| lool | mpt: Sure | 16:50 |
| lool | mpt: I might not be the best person depending on what you ask, but I'm happy to discuss this topic | 16:50 |
| mpt | lool, the window that lists the available codecs looks like a subset of the Add/Remove Programs window, right? How difficult is it to change bits in that window? | 16:52 |
| lool | mpt: It's gnome-app-install | 16:52 |
| lool | mpt: Indeed, it's built using synaptic IIRC | 16:52 |
| mpt | which? :-) | 16:52 |
| mpt | Specifically, the Help button needs removing (currently it does more harm than good in the codec context), and the "Quick Introduction" is a non-sequitur | 16:53 |
| lool | mpt: What's the problem with the Help button? | 16:53 |
| lool | mpt: When I press it, I land in the "Install and Remove Applications" manual in yelp | 16:54 |
| mpt | The help it displays is completely irrelevant | 16:54 |
| mpt | exactly | 16:54 |
| mpt | It's nothing whatsoever to do with installing codecs | 16:54 |
| mpt | and whenever that happens it makes people less likely to use help anywhere else | 16:55 |
| lool | mpt: Ok, so currently this uses a generic tool, gnome-app-install; you can launch it manually and imagine that it's useful in different scenarii; I fear that if you want to provide help specialied for code installation, you will have to provide some sort of wrapper or derived app which links to that | 16:56 |
| mpt | It would be nice to have help for it, but we're past FeatureFreeze, so just removing it is probably best for now | 16:56 |
| mpt | lool, yes, I realize that, that's why I'm asking how difficult it is to change bits in this window | 16:56 |
| lool | What you want to do is change bits in this window when it's called for codec installs, correct? | 16:57 |
| mpt | exactly | 16:57 |
| mpt | I assume the "Canonical Codec Store" link is context-dependent | 16:57 |
| lool | I agree that solving this "properly" might be too intrusive post FF, but I wouldn't want to remove the Help button unconditionally | 16:58 |
| lool | Indeed | 16:58 |
| mpt | Right, I don't want to remove the Help button unconditionally, just in the codec situation | 16:58 |
| lool | mpt: I guess you probably know some python; check /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/AppInstall/distros/Ubuntu.py | 16:59 |
| lool | (label, url) = distro.get_codec_information_link() | 17:01 |
| lool | if (label is not None) and (url is not None): | 17:01 |
| lool | button = gtk.LinkButton(url, label) | 17:01 |
| lool | mpt: in AppInstall/activation.py | 17:01 |
| mpt | I'm in 8.04 at the moment | 17:01 |
| lool | mpt: grab lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/gnome-app-install/main | 17:01 |
| mpt | ah, thanks | 17:01 |
| mpt | I was just wanting to know whether it was possible :-) | 17:03 |
| lool | mpt: Sure, it should be | 17:04 |
| mpt | ok | 17:04 |
| lool | mpt: BTW it's the first time I poke at this :) | 17:04 |
| lool | It seems the UI already supports various mode of operation by subclassing ActivationStyle | 17:05 |
| lool | class CodecSearchActivationStyle(SearchActivationStyle): | 17:05 |
| lool | mpt: So it's very trivial | 17:05 |
| lool | mpt: I think it would be cleaner to provide Help for installing codecs rather than dropping the button completely though | 17:06 |
| mpt | Sure, but I'm assuming we can't do that past feature freeze | 17:06 |
| mpt | If we can, I'll happily write some | 17:06 |
| mpt | This will all likely be revamped for Intrepid+1 | 17:07 |
| lool | mpt: I think it's a fairly trivial UI tweak, but I could be wrong | 17:09 |
| lool | mpt: You could discuss this with release team to make sure | 17:09 |
| mpt | Thanks for your info lool | 18:00 |
| carciofo | hallo alle zusammen | 19:17 |
| ember_ | what can make pkg-config --cflags return something but --exists none? | 19:55 |
| ember_ | seb128: in gtk2-engines i've added to .install the right .pc but it seems debian/ has the old .pc, should i remove the old .pc from debian or revert the .install? | 19:57 |
| Laney | If Banshee sometimes stops responding to GNOME global hotkeys that I've set up, whose bug is that? | 20:06 |
| Laney | And if the answer is "it depends", how can I find out? | 20:06 |
| seb128 | ember_: why did you add the .pc to start? it was not installed because the debian maintainer decided it was not required | 20:14 |
| carciofo | does any1 know about video editing? | 20:51 |
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