| smp4488 | anyone home? | 01:22 |
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| StevenK | Somewhat | 01:23 |
| smp4488 | im wanting to install mobile for my car pc | 01:24 |
| smp4488 | the menlow image will that work with via processors? | 01:25 |
| StevenK | I would suggest the McCaslin image | 01:25 |
| smp4488 | is it standalone or do i need an install of ubuntu first? | 01:26 |
| StevenK | It is standalone | 01:26 |
| smp4488 | but for development on my main pc would i be better off installing ubuntu | 01:27 |
| smp4488 | im a gentoo user | 01:27 |
| StevenK | Yes. | 01:27 |
| smp4488 | what version? | 01:28 |
| StevenK | 8.04.1 is the current released version for both. | 01:28 |
| smp4488 | gotcha | 01:28 |
| smp4488 | this looks like it is going to be fun | 01:28 |
| smp4488 | so what are your opinions so far? | 01:30 |
| StevenK | It does sound like fun | 01:33 |
| smp4488 | what do you think of using it as a car pc interface? | 01:33 |
| StevenK | I've heard of other people trying it as well | 01:33 |
| smp4488 | we will see how i do | 01:34 |
| Omeg1 | Hello hello. | 03:58 |
| Omeg1 | I have some questions on UME, anyone lurking? | 03:59 |
| persia | Omeg1: At least 40 people not including yourself. | 04:18 |
| Omeg1 | persia, well - I was hoping someone might be on while I was... | 07:20 |
| persia | Omeg1: Yes, but many people were on then. Asking if there are lurkers only interests the very very bored. Asking some other question may interest someone. | 07:21 |
| Omeg1 | Alright. First off, how exactly does one get started with a dev environment for UME? I installed all the ubuntu mobile packages, but I really haven't got any leads on where to go from there. | 07:22 |
| Omeg1 | Kinda hoping I could get an environment set up. | 07:22 |
| Omeg1 | I also installed ubuntu-mobile, but didn't really get more than some new apps in my Applications menu (cool games!) | 07:23 |
| persia | Well, there are two ways to do it. One can install Ubuntu MID and do the development on the target machine, or one can do development on a remote machine, and pass packages to the target machine. | 07:23 |
| persia | I tend to use the latter model: editing and changing packages on an amd64 workstation, building an lpia .deb, and then installing that on the target machine. | 07:24 |
| Omeg1 | I'll likely be doing python... | 07:24 |
| Omeg1 | So it wouldn't matter either way. | 07:24 |
| Omeg1 | Although how do you install UME only on a machine? | 07:25 |
| Omeg1 | Is there a VM for that? | 07:25 |
| persia | I personally use vi and sbuild for 95% of what I do, so the packages I need installed locally are sbuild, vim, less, and devscripts. There's also some useful stuff in ubutu-dev-tools, and the recommends will pull more than you need. | 07:25 |
| persia | You can install Ubuntu MID on a target machine using the images linked in the /topic, or run in KVM. | 07:26 |
| persia | Just boot the image, and it ought install. | 07:26 |
| Omeg1 | Alright, so now I have on my 64bit machine here the ubuntu-mobile images | 07:26 |
| Omeg1 | But when I run hildon-desktop, I get some pretty elaborate crashes. | 07:27 |
| persia | That's not surprising. You really want to have your machine installed as the lpia architecture if you're going to use the 8.04.1 images. | 07:28 |
| persia | Mind you, if you're getting elaborate crashes with an lpia install, that's something that ought get fixed. | 07:30 |
| Omeg1 | Yeah, I don't have an lpia machine... | 07:32 |
| Omeg1 | Just my 64bit desktop | 07:32 |
| persia | Hrm. | 07:33 |
| persia | While you ought to be able to run lpia on your desktop, the hildon environment may not be ideal for typical desktop use. | 07:33 |
| persia | I'll recommend you run lpia in a virtual machine, and use that for testing. | 07:34 |
| Omeg1 | That's what I'm leaning towards as well. | 07:43 |
| Omeg1 | So lpia, is that an app or a platform then? | 07:43 |
| persia | lpia is an architecture. | 07:44 |
| persia | "lpia" is similar in role to "i386" or "amd64", and all three will probably run on your desktop. | 07:44 |
| Omeg1 | What are the chances of the UME project taking on other architectures like ARMEL? | 07:46 |
| persia | Omeg1: Well, there's a general goal of trying to find a way to make the hildon packages less architecture-specific for MID, and the Mobile seed works in any architecture supported by Ubuntu (although there are few hppa handhelds). | 07:53 |
| gishaust | I have a ipaq 112 just given to me am I able to try embed ubuntu | 07:54 |
| persia | There was talk about armel support at UDS, but there's been no announcement. | 07:54 |
| persia | You might look at mojo.handhelds.org: not exactly official packages, but they ought run on armel. | 07:54 |
| gishaust | thanks for the info I will have a look | 08:01 |
| Omeg1 | Yeah, I have an N810 and I'm hoping that UME comes around to supporting more than the intel devices. | 08:07 |
| Omeg1 | intel-based I should say. | 08:07 |
| Omeg1 | Maemo on the N810 seems weak - but is so close to what UME is... I'm surprised they haven't just put the work in themselves. | 08:07 |
| lool | persia: Around? | 08:38 |
| persia | lool: Generally :) | 08:39 |
| lool | persia: At the release meeting on friday, I mentionned the installer drop for alpha 5 | 08:39 |
| lool | slangasek indicated that there's a deadline to get your code changes in before a5 | 08:39 |
| persia | I saw that. | 08:39 |
| persia | Mind you, lpia is broken in other ways, so I have no expectation of a5 working anyway. | 08:39 |
| lool | persia: are the ubiquity tweaks on-track to be in the archive before Tuesday (milestone freeze)? | 08:40 |
| lool | -- was his question | 08:40 |
| lool | persia: Wow, it's not going to work at all? | 08:40 |
| persia | No. You still can't even run apt-get | 08:41 |
| lool | persia: Please raise red flag here and mail the team/list/david/me whoever | 08:41 |
| lool | persia: Ah you mean the images are borken | 08:41 |
| persia | Yes, but I very much don't believe it's the images. | 08:41 |
| lool | Well I think it's qemu <-> kernel interactions | 08:42 |
| persia | Anyway, I'm hacking livecd-rootfs to build me i386 -mid images, and when I have that working, will go back to working on the installer. | 08:42 |
| persia | The issue can be replicated on a Q1U. | 08:42 |
| persia | It fails on real hardware. | 08:42 |
| persia | It has *nothing* to do with virtualisation. | 08:42 |
| lool | Hmm | 08:42 |
| lool | I think I should raise this with Michael | 08:43 |
| persia | I thought you did that on Friday. | 08:43 |
| lool | I did? | 08:43 |
| lool | I think we discussed moving to .27 | 08:44 |
| persia | Oh. I thought the fact that things didn't work was discussed as well. | 08:44 |
| lool | I don't really trust my memory, it could be, but I don't recall discussing any specifics | 08:44 |
| persia | Anyway, yeah, it doesn't work. How and why it doesn't work is beyond my understanding. | 08:49 |
| persia | I get failures in renaming files. | 08:50 |
| lool | I really think this points all the way at kernel | 08:50 |
| lool | Is there a package carrying the CFLAGS used on the buildds? | 08:55 |
| lool | I think they add -Wformat=security or something like that, but would like to check exactly what | 08:55 |
| lool | format-security rather | 08:56 |
| persia | I don't know the name of the package: it may just be default settings for the tools themselves. Check with keescook | 09:07 |
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| heruan | how can I install Ubuntu MID on my Acer Aspire One (Atom based)? | 11:49 |
| persia | heruan: Which video chip does that use? | 11:53 |
| heruan | uhm... intel | 11:59 |
| heruan | now I search the model | 12:00 |
| heruan | Intel GMA 950 | 12:00 |
| persia | OK. I'd suggest booting the mccaslin image then, as I think the menlow image assumes -psb. Note that this will reformat your machine, so you want to have a backup, etc. first. | 12:01 |
| heruan | persia: sure, thanks | 12:01 |
| persia | heruan: Good luck! | 12:02 |
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| heruan | persia: uhm, I downloaded mccaslin | 13:38 |
| persia | heruan: OK. And? | 13:38 |
| heruan | it's a .img file | 13:38 |
| heruan | dd to usb stick? | 13:38 |
| persia | Yep. | 13:39 |
| persia | A number of people have reported issues with bare dd: I'll recommend adding bs=1024K for best results. | 13:39 |
| heruan | persia: ok, thank you! | 13:39 |
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| heruan | bs=1024 or bs=1024K ? | 13:41 |
| persia | I think 1024K | 13:41 |
| persia | (1 meg). That ends up being a little over 500 blocks. | 13:42 |
| persia | If that doesn't work, you can try with 1k blocks. | 13:42 |
| persia | Ideally, it oughtn't make any difference, as the data in the .img doesn't consist of record blocks, but there seems to be some oddities about how dd handles very large numbers of blocks. | 13:42 |
| persia | There's a bug report against dd that seems to imply the issue is related to a 28-bit boundary, but I don't really understand dd well enough to know. | 13:43 |
| heruan | persia: ok, perfectly clear | 13:44 |
| heruan | :) | 13:44 |
| heruan | persia: ok, installed :) | 14:48 |
| heruan | but the mouse doesn't work... | 14:48 |
| heruan | no touchpad, nor usb mouse... | 14:48 |
| ogra | the menlow image is pretty specifically built for the samsung Q1 ultra, you need to make some changes to the used xorg.conf (mainly change the mouse entry to /dev/inut/mice in xorg-samsungq1ultra.conf or how that file is called) | 14:50 |
| heruan | ok, thank you. what's the user/pass to login on vty1? | 14:51 |
| ogra | ume ... no passwd | 14:52 |
| heruan | ok | 14:52 |
| heruan | touchpad works :) | 15:03 |
| heruan | and now... I can I enable the clutter UI? | 15:04 |
| heruan | *how | 15:04 |
| persia | Heh. See, the clutter UI and the MID package aren't actually integrated in any particular way :) | 15:10 |
| persia | That said, you could certainly remove some packages and add others to do that, but I'm not sure which packages you specifically need to adjust. | 15:11 |
| persia | I believe the clutter-based UI stuff is based more on Ubuntu Desktop than on Ubuntu MID. | 15:11 |
| heruan | persia: oh, I didn't know... I saw the clutter UI at http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile | 15:12 |
| heruan | it seems to be running on hildon desktop | 15:13 |
| heruan | I'll search how to do that ;) | 15:14 |
| persia | Hrm. That page is significantly out of date. Oh well. | 15:20 |
| persia | Thanks for the pointer. | 15:20 |
| heruan | :) | 15:23 |
| heruan | but, on balance... on an Acer Aspire One, is better to install a normal Ubuntu or the MID edition? | 15:25 |
| persia | I don't think either is right for that sort of model. I have a Kohjinsha SR, and find both to be a poor fit. | 15:28 |
| persia | For intrepid, there will be both Ubuntu MID and Ubuntu Mobile, with the latter designed for 7-9" screens. | 15:29 |
| persia | But I doubt you want to wait until October :) | 15:29 |
| heruan | persia: eheh, of course I don't want to wait :p | 15:30 |
| heruan | persia: very interesting that thing about ubuntu mobile | 15:31 |
| heruan | and what about this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current/ | 15:31 |
| heruan | ? | 15:31 |
| persia | That's Ubuntu MID, for 4-6" devices. You're encouraged to play with it, but it's mostly just a version refresh of the stuff you just installed. | 15:32 |
| persia | Also note it's not been debugged much, so use with caution :) | 15:32 |
| heruan | eheh, I like to be on the cutting edge | 15:32 |
| heruan | I use Intrepid on my notebook | 15:32 |
| heruan | mainly for NM 0.7 | 15:33 |
| persia | In that case, go ahead any play with the daily. It's essentially the current state of Ubuntu MID for intrepid. | 15:33 |
| heruan | so at this moment there isn't a version of Intrepid for 7-9"? | 15:34 |
| heruan | nor a testing version? | 15:34 |
| persia | Well, there's an ubuntu-mobile seed, and an ubuntu-mobile metapackage. If you do a minimal install of Ubuntu with the alternate CD, and install ubuntu-mobile you ought get that. | 15:35 |
| persia | On the other hand, at this point I think about two people have tried it, so you'll be very much involved in helping get it in shape. | 15:35 |
| persia | Comments / opinions / thoughts welcome here, and please file *lots* of bugs. | 15:36 |
| heruan | of course! | 15:36 |
| heruan | bugs are to be fired against ubuntu-mobile package? | 15:37 |
| persia | heruan: You don't happen to be a developer, do you? | 15:37 |
| persia | No, against whichever package actually has the bug. | 15:37 |
| heruan | ok | 15:37 |
| persia | So, if, for instance, the bluetooth applet didn't respond to touchscreen events properly, you'd file a bug against bluez-gnome. | 15:38 |
| DNi1 | Will ubuntu MID edition compatible with Wubi ? | 15:40 |
| persia | DNi1: I hadn't thought about that at all, and don't actually have a windows machine on which to test. | 15:42 |
| persia | DNi1: If you'd like to stuff casper-lupin into an image, and give it a shot, it might be worth seeing if it works. | 15:42 |
| persia | ogra: Where was the guide on adding stuff to images again? | 15:42 |
| persia | Oops. That's "lupin-casper" | 15:43 |
| DNi1 | that's what i thought :) | 15:43 |
| heruan | persia: here I am... sorry | 15:44 |
| heruan | that's the price to pay for using bleeding edge versions :p | 15:45 |
| heruan | random freezes | 15:45 |
| persia | heruan: No worries. I haven't said anything of importance ince your last comment :) | 15:45 |
| heruan | I read your last comment, I will fire bugs to related packages | 15:45 |
| heruan | I was saying... | 15:45 |
| heruan | I'm not a very experienced developer, but I had recompiled few packages to fit my needs in the past | 15:46 |
| heruan | so maybe I'll be able to investigate on some bugs... | 15:47 |
| persia | That'd be great! We've not so many developers looking at mobile: few have the hardware, and of those that do, many are just using -desktop. | 15:47 |
| heruan | okay, so let's go and try to install that ubuntu-mobile ;) | 15:49 |
| heruan | I have a local mirror of Intrepid repositories so I do a pxe-boot and netinstall... but it'll take a very long time, Aspire One has a solid state disk and it seems to have long writing access times... | 15:51 |
| heruan | I'll report here my impressions | 15:51 |
| persia | Great. It ought look something like http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ubuntu-mobile-intrepid.png | 15:54 |
| heruan | whoa, that's great :D | 15:55 |
| heruan | and here I can install the clutter UI? | 15:55 |
| persia | I suspect so, but I've not sure. I've not personally tried ubuntu-mobile yet. | 15:56 |
| heruan | ok, I'll find it out | 15:57 |
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| DNi1 | persia: ah ! there is a kvm image now ? | 16:16 |
| DNi1 | persia: sorry it's been a while i didnt see the repository of images | 16:16 |
| persia | DNi1: There is a KVM image for hardy. The intrepid images seem to work as well in KVM as they do on hardware. | 16:20 |
| DNi1 | persia: there seems many improvements on the interface with intrepid. are there other ? | 16:23 |
| ogra | the build system :) | 16:24 |
| ogra | and the input system (not fully working yet ut soon) | 16:25 |
| DNi1 | ogra: can you tell me more about that ? | 16:25 |
| ogra | its using the livecd tools now | 16:25 |
| DNi1 | really ? | 16:25 |
| ogra | the installer will be ubiquity in a cut down version | 16:25 |
| DNi1 | my dreams come true ? :) | 16:26 |
| ogra | so you can actually influence the install, select a language and location etc | 16:26 |
| DNi1 | great improvements | 16:26 |
| ogra | and we're working on an additional seed for the slightly bigger screens based on gnome and some extra pieces | 16:26 |
| ogra | i.e. ubuntu mid -> 800x480 and very small screens, ubuntu-mobile -> 1024x600 7-10" | 16:27 |
| ogra | very small 4-7" iirc | 16:28 |
| DNi1 | my htc shift is based on a 7" | 16:28 |
| ogra | tough mobile will only be a first shot in intrepid ... | 16:28 |
| ogra | *though | 16:28 |
| DNi1 | but the native resolution is 840x480 | 16:28 |
| ogra | thats mid then | 16:29 |
| DNi1 | ii can do 1024x600 but it's not very nice | 16:29 |
| ogra | ah, compressed video mode or some such | 16:29 |
| DNi1 | i think so | 16:30 |
| ogra | yeah, that usually breaks fonts etc | 16:30 |
| DNi1 | a feature of intel drivers maybe | 16:30 |
| ogra | being rather blurry | 16:30 |
| DNi1 | yeah | 16:30 |
| DNi1 | useful for some web pages very big | 16:30 |
| ogra | for the classmate pc (7" 800x480) i developed a little screen switcher applet to do 800x600 panning mode ... thats a bit more usable | 16:31 |
| ogra | but has its own usability probs indeed | 16:31 |
| DNi1 | i see | 16:32 |
| DNi1 | maybe i can reuse it to do 1024x600 | 16:32 |
| ogra | you can try with a different virtual size ... but that only works on hardy, i have never tested it with intrepid (since the classmate image is only aimed at hardy) | 16:34 |
| ogra | you can check the classmate-tools package, its in the archive | 16:34 |
| ogra | but needs the i810 driver and a special xorg.conf (shipped in the /usr/share/doc/classmate-tools dir) | 16:35 |
| DNi1 | where is the intrepid version of MID edition ? | 16:37 |
| DNi1 | i didnt see it on the official repository | 16:38 |
| ogra | its still not ready for mainstream ... will soon be there | 16:39 |
| ogra | persia is working on the last bits of the installer | 16:39 |
| ogra | (doesnt make much sense to have an uninstallable image) | 16:39 |
| DNi1 | that's right | 16:40 |
| DNi1 | thx for the details | 16:45 |
| va75a77a | I am developing on the Gumstix platform, would anyone know if there is a way to support or build ubuntu MID for the gumstix ARM architecture | 18:51 |
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