[00:01] <Yasumoto> heya guys, this may be a ridiculous question, but how do I just add a comment to a bug in the debian bug tracker?
[00:01] <Yasumoto> is there a specific command to use?
[00:01] <toobaz3> by mail, usually
[00:02] <toobaz3> there is a "bugreport" package
[00:02] <RainCT> Yasumoto: send a mail to  <bugnumber>@bugs.debian.org
[00:02] <toobaz3> but I'm afraid not in Ubuntu
[00:02] <Yasumoto> oh, I just got a confirmation email
[00:02] <RainCT> Yasumoto: and after a few minutes it'll show up
[00:02] <Yasumoto> RainCT: thanks
[00:03] <Yasumoto> toobaz3: I'll look into it for my debian machine
[00:03] <toobaz3> Yasumoto: there you should find it
[00:03] <RainCT> toobaz3: reportbug. it's in Ubuntu, but I think that they changed it to send the reports to Launchpad
[00:03] <Yasumoto> I emailed a patch to a bug a few days ago without anything happening, so I'm a tad confused as to why this one's working
[00:04] <toobaz3> RainCT: right, Debian devs complained about reported Ubuntu bugs
[00:07] <Yasumoto> how many people acutally user reportbug?
[00:08] <toobaz3> not sure, but maybe in Debian when a program crashes it starts automatically
[00:09] <toobaz3> (not sure, but maybe in Ubuntu too, to LP)
[02:41]  * Hobbsee eyes bugmail
[02:41] <Hobbsee> oh, ugh!
[02:42] <Hobbsee> slangasek: were you the person who made ubuntu-release a part of motu-release?
[02:44] <ScottK> Since they've felt free to take motu-release decisions, it seems not unreasonable.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> oh?
[02:51] <ScottK> It's certainly less so than Gutsy, but it still happens.
[02:54]  * Hobbsee shrugs
[02:54] <Hobbsee> what else do you expect to happen?
[02:54] <ScottK> Nothing, that's why I said it doesn't seem like an unreasonable thing to do.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:27] <porthose> for a new-version update I attach the new.diff.gz to the bug, set the status to confirmed, assign it to nobody, and subscribe  ubuntu-universe-sponsors correct?
[03:35] <ScottK> porthose: Is it a new version that's bug fix only or with new features?
[03:35] <porthose> bug fix
[03:36] <ScottK> That should do it then.
[03:36] <ScottK> Assuming it's a package in Universe.
[03:36] <porthose> ScottK: it is thx
[04:46] <IntuitiveNipple> Where can I find an openjdk-6 maintainer?
[04:47] <slangasek> Hobbsee: no, not me.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> IntuitiveNipple: Original-Maintainer: OpenJDK Team <openjdk@lists.launchpad.net>
[04:47] <Hobbsee> slangasek: ah.  seems like a lot of bugmail now.
[04:47] <slangasek> yes, I've noticed; but I didn't do it...
[04:48] <Hobbsee> cool
[04:48] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah... I got that.. I was hoping for a quick 'chat' before bed though
[04:48] <Hobbsee> slangasek: so, check who's in that team, and their irc nicks, and see if they've responded recently?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> bah, that was to IntuitiveNipple.
[04:49] <philwyett> IntuitiveNipple: https://launchpad.net/~doko
[04:50] <IntuitiveNipple> Thanks Hobbsee... I'm on the wrong end of a 24-hour stint... brains no longer working
[04:51] <Hobbsee> IntuitiveNipple: heh.   sleep is good :
[04:51] <Hobbsee> * :)
[04:52] <IntuitiveNipple> I just wanted a hint on how to prepare a patch to fix a bug, since the way openjdk is packaged it's got it's own patches and the debian/patches, and from debian/rules I can't figure out how to just apply the upstream package patches
[04:52] <IntuitiveNipple> I did an intense three hours tracking the bug down and wanted to do the patch before bed... but its stumped me!
[04:53] <philwyett> IntuitiveNipple: Look at the LP project page and maybe look at the code logs. https://launchpad.net/~openjdk
[04:54] <IntuitiveNipple> philwyett: Thanks, I'll do that before the matchsticks under my eyelids snap :p
[04:56] <IntuitiveNipple> No clues :( ahh well
[05:23] <philwyett> No clues?
[05:30] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm getting there! Tiredness was winning but I'm fighting back :p
[05:31] <IntuitiveNipple> FTBFS on Hardy (build-depends on g++-4.3 which is only in Intrepid)... just figured out I have intrepid sources enabled in apt (so I can grab package to backport) and it gave me the Intprepid source package not hardy's !
[05:34] <philwyett> :-)
[05:35] <IntuitiveNipple> well, at least now I can have my patch before bed!
[05:35] <philwyett> That's good.
[05:36] <philwyett> You will probably get sleep before me. Been up now since Saturday lunch and still not done. :-/
[05:37] <philwyett> Now 5:30am Monday morning and I hate Mondays. :-D
[05:47] <ScottK> StevenK: We (motu-release) delegate FFe authority for (I think) netbook remix to lool/ogra as appropriate (I don't recall which).
[05:50] <StevenK> ScottK: Can you scribble that onto the bug, with s^lool/ogra as appropriate^ogra^ ?
[05:51] <ScottK> Sure.
[05:51] <ScottK> Sent.
[05:56] <IntuitiveNipple> philwyett: I know the feeling well, last week I missed most every night's sleep and grabbed naps... brain wouldn't let me rest! Got 9 hours satuday night but now I've worked through the night again, grrr
[05:56] <IntuitiveNipple> dawn is here
[05:58] <philwyett> IntuitiveNipple: Yeah thats the one. I hate that nap thing. If I nap I just wake up disturbed and aggressive. :-(
[05:58] <IntuitiveNipple> I just get tunnel vision and miss the obvious... sometimes I hate my brain for keeping me going
[05:59]  * philwyett gets like Hulk. "Don't make me angry. You would not like me when I'm angry!" :-D
[05:59] <IntuitiveNipple> lol... do you go green too?
[05:59] <IntuitiveNipple> At least we won't be combining today... too wet
[05:59] <philwyett> IntuitiveNipple: Thats true. You miss the obvious and kick yourself hard for missing it even though you are tired.
[06:00] <philwyett> IntuitiveNipple: :-) Naah... don't do green skin.
[06:01] <philwyett> Combining?
[06:01] <philwyett> Farm work?
[06:03] <philwyett> Isn't it Labor day today for the U.S. members and a day off? Happy Labor day to the U.S. members who are awake. :-)
[06:03] <ScottK> Thanks
[06:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Yeah, but not here
[06:07] <IntuitiveNipple> UK
[06:07]  * philwyett is UK too. :-)
[06:08] <IntuitiveNipple> two idjots still awake!
[06:08] <philwyett> Absolutely! :-)
[06:21] <dholbach> goooood morning!
[06:21]  * porthose waves at dholback
[06:21] <dholbach> hi porthose
[06:21] <porthose> dholback: how you been?
[06:22] <dholbach> very good and excited about the Develop Week - how are you?
[06:24] <porthose> just fine, working on a FFe :)
[06:24] <philwyett> Morning dholbach
[06:24] <dholbach> hiya philwyett
[06:24] <dholbach> porthose: good luck with that :)
[06:24] <porthose> :)
[06:24] <nxvl> good morning
[06:25] <dholbach> hiya nxvl
[06:27]  * NCommander is back
[06:52] <lukehasnoname> dholbach: Thanks for the MOTU videos.
[06:53] <dholbach> thanks for the flowers lukehasnoname
[06:53] <dholbach> there's still one we didn't release yet, I'll ask Jono about it later on :)
[06:54] <lukehasnoname> although, I must say, I did NOT have the fun you had. :p
[06:55] <dholbach> lukehasnoname: why? what happened?
[06:56] <lukehasnoname> I'm sure it would be better if I did it a few more times. Nothing in particular went wrong.
[06:57] <dholbach> OK, thanks for the feedback lukehasnoname!
[06:59] <tuxmaniac> hi folks. good morning. It will be great if someone reviews and comments on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gresistor Thanks inadvance
[07:01] <tuxmaniac> oh some one has already commented a lot. revu needs a notifier badly atleast to the person who uploads the package for review
[07:02]  * philwyett just looked up what gresistor is. Very useful, not really for me. Though I could take a look at it for accuracy at a later date when I'm not tired.
[07:04] <IntuitiveNipple> is that the resistor colour-band checker?
[07:04] <tuxmaniac> apart from the motu reviewers list , is tere a possiblity of sending notification meails to email address of the uploader whenever there is some comment?
[07:04] <philwyett> IntuitiveNipple: Yes
[07:04] <tuxmaniac> IntuitiveNipple: yes.
[07:04] <IntuitiveNipple> yes... three in a row :)
[07:04] <IntuitiveNipple> Ahhh... I have that stuff indelibly printed on the insides of my eyelids
[07:06] <philwyett> IntuitiveNipple: Me too. Used to be the head engineer and head dev for a large electronics company that repaired cable and sky boxes. :-)
[07:06] <IntuitiveNipple> there's a midlet for mobiles does the same thing... useful if you're out in the field I guess
[07:06] <IntuitiveNipple> phil... hmmm, up 'norf' like?
[07:07] <philwyett> Yes, just outside Bradford. But we did have sites in Manchester and Warrington too and repaired mobile phones down south. :-)
[07:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Yeah, rang a bell... I used to live in Leeds
[07:08] <philwyett> IntuitiveNipple: You know Saltaire and Pace then?
[07:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I think I drove through, once :D
[07:09] <lukehasnoname> What time is it right now, UTC?
[07:09] <philwyett> Though I did not work for Pace I did mentor the guys in Linux dev from the dark side before they were sent to the U.S.
[07:09] <lukehasnoname> I need to sync my mind with dev week times
[07:09] <StevenK> % TZ=UTC date
[07:09] <StevenK> Mon Sep  1 06:09:10 UTC 2008
[07:09] <StevenK> lukehasnoname: ^
[07:09] <lukehasnoname> -5
[07:09] <lukehasnoname> k
[07:10] <IntuitiveNipple> It'll be tomorrow, UTC, before this openjdk build is done :p
[07:10] <philwyett> :-)
[07:10] <IntuitiveNipple> I've never seen a package that generates so many ignored Errors before, it's scary
[07:11] <IntuitiveNipple> At least 200 have gone through so far.
[07:12] <philwyett> IntuitiveNipple: You building it local or on PPA?
[07:12] <IntuitiveNipple> locally to test... PPA later.
[07:12] <philwyett> Aha :-)
[07:13] <IntuitiveNipple> There's about 2,000 gone through now... don't know why the package isn't patched to remove the source, it makes it hard to spot real problems
[07:13] <IntuitiveNipple> "ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored."
[07:13] <philwyett> IntuitiveNipple: Things of that nature maybe on the todo list.
[07:14] <IntuitiveNipple> I bet it's a one-line fix!
[07:14] <philwyett> :-) Often are.
[07:15] <IntuitiveNipple> At least it got past my patch... so assuming everything else is okay, I can test before the nap
[07:15] <philwyett> That's not bad then.
[07:22]  * NCommander has  a strange strange urge to buy an alphaserver and port ubuntu to it ....
[07:23] <tuxmaniac> Is ther a need to paste full license text of gpl and lgpl in the debian/copyright? Can we just put in these lines " On Debian systems the full text of the GNU General Public License can be found
[07:23] <tuxmaniac>  in the `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' file.
[07:23] <tuxmaniac> or am I missing something?
[07:23] <tuxmaniac> well. I thought only for licenses that are not there in the above path we need to paste the complete license
[07:23] <philwyett> NCommander: Go see a doctor right away. :-)
[07:24] <NCommander> If slangasek saw that comment, he'd come to NY and probably murder me
[07:24] <philwyett> :-)
[07:24] <tuxmaniac> i followed http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat
[07:25] <slangasek> well, good thing slangasek doesn't have a setting that lets him know when people are talking about him, or anything
[07:26]  * NCommander finishs his last will and testament
[07:27] <NCommander> slangasek, when you come to slaughter me, please aim for the head. I rather not suffer :-)
[07:27] <IntuitiveNipple> No, aim for the alpha server :p
[07:27]  * lukehasnoname is lost
[07:27] <persia> tuxmaniac: You need to include an except of the license text.  Read the license, especially the part about "How to use this license".
[07:28] <philwyett> Going by the greistor archive package it uses the gpl and lgpl.
[07:31] <philwyett> Wow! The gresistor code is much if elif elif elif. :-/
[07:32] <IntuitiveNipple> no switch case?
[07:33] <philwyett> I didn't get that far down the file to be certain to say yes or no.
[07:33] <NCommander> ITs a pity qemu doesn't support ARMel
[07:37] <Iulian> Good morning.
[07:38] <philwyett> qemu reminds me. Forget virtual, I may start dropping hints starting now up to my birthday in Oct to the GF about an appropriate mobile device to go Ubuntu mobile. ;-)
[07:38] <philwyett> Morning Iulian
[07:39] <Iulian> Hi philwyett.
[07:41] <lukehasnoname> philwyett: What day is your BD? The 30th?
[07:41] <philwyett> No the 3rd.
[07:42] <philwyett> I would complain about a release on my birthday! :-)
[07:42] <lukehasnoname> My BD is the 30th :)
[07:42] <philwyett> Aha... :-D
[07:42] <lukehasnoname> I get Intrepid on the big 2-0
[07:44] <philwyett> Wait till you hit 30+ and then there is nothing big about the number and age 20, you just wish you were that young again. :-)
[07:45] <lukehasnoname> 20 isn't that big a deal anyway, 21 is, at least in the US. I'll be out of college when I'm 21.
[07:46] <philwyett> And at 21 you can do legally all the stuff you really want to but can't.
[07:46] <laga> like getting wasted?
[07:46] <laga> that's not always a good thing
[07:46] <laga> way overrated, too.
[07:46] <laga> i've stopped drinking now that i'm 21. ;)
[07:47] <philwyett> You can drink and other things without getting wasted.
[07:47] <IntuitiveNipple> In the UK I think about the only things you have to wait to 21 for are being an MP, and driving trucks over 7.5 tonnes :)
[07:47] <laga> heh
[07:47] <lukehasnoname> *all the stuff you already do but have to watch out a little bit. laga, (btw I know this is a little OT so just shut me up whenever) but I quickly learned how not fun getting "trashed" is.
[07:47] <laga> philwyett: indeed. but enjoying a beer is probably not "all the stuff you really want" ;)
[07:48] <philwyett> IntuitiveNipple: You know things and have knowledge. That instantly bars you from being an MP. :-D
[07:48] <laga> haha
[07:48] <philwyett> laga: :-)
[07:48] <lukehasnoname> OH! I can get a license to carry a concealed handgun!
[07:48] <laga> not that i was  a heavy drinker anyways
[07:48] <laga> mind you, i'm european.
[07:48] <laga> an european who needs to get off his ass to go to school now, bye ;)
[07:49] <lukehasnoname> later laga
[07:49] <philwyett> laga: See ya.
[07:49] <IntuitiveNipple> I need to feed the pidgeon, but it's not arrived yet :)
[08:05] <lukehasnoname> This is what the US gets to put up with: http://tinyurl.com/5t7n2s
[08:25] <didrocks> morning o/
[09:29] <huats> morning everyone
[10:03] <slytherin> slomo__: there?
[10:39] <slomo__> slytherin: a bit... i'll answer later ;)
[11:08] <slytherin> slomo__: Please take a look at this whenever you get time. bug 260765, check the upstream bug linked. Do you think you can backport the fix (specified in the last comment on upstream bug)?
[11:25]  * NCommander is away: This creature sleeps beyond the reaches of time itself
[12:40] <jpds> Hobbsee: Do you have time for a small devdiff upload?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> jpds: for?
[12:41] <jpds> bug #263259
[12:56] <laga> if someone is really bored, they could review/ACK http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mythtv-theme-metallurgy-wide so it can go into intrepid :)
[12:57] <RAOF> laga: Does it have a FFe?
[12:58] <laga> RAOF: it will get one. i need the package done first to get an FFe if i understand correctly
[12:58] <laga> but i've talked to motu-release and they don't object
[13:00] <RAOF> Good.  It seems my internet is being screwy, so I don't think I'll get to it now, sorry.
[13:01] <laga> don't worry, i'm pretty good at reminding people ;)
[13:01] <Hobbsee> jpds: got it, thanks.
[13:04] <Hobbsee> Laney: you officially suck at reporting bugs.
[13:04] <Hobbsee> or at least, u-r-e bugs.
[13:05] <Hobbsee> would it be too much to ask that you say *why* something needs to be changed (such as a dep), not just that it does?  thanks :)
[13:05] <RainCT> heya
[13:07] <jpds> Hobbsee: Because the package name changed.
[13:08] <Hobbsee> jpds: why?  is the other being nbs'd out or something?
[13:09] <jpds> Hobbsee: The maintainer changed it from liblame0 to libmp3lame0
[13:09] <Hobbsee> jpds: ah right, cool.  So it's not like the openjdk --> new java stuff change.
[13:09] <Hobbsee> jpds: might have been nice to actually have that on the bug, though.
[13:09] <jpds> Hobbsee: Yep.
[13:10] <laga> yay for the broken liblame transition :/
[13:11] <Hobbsee> laga: oh?
[13:11] <persia> Blech.  That's not a pleasing transition at all.
[13:14] <directhex> i wonder if the java people will take my suggestion onboard for intrepid+1
[13:14] <laga> Hobbsee: yeah, it was done improperly i believe. i don't know how to do a library transition, though ;) (list the rdepends in a bug report and fix them?)
[13:15] <persia> directhex: Which suggestion was that?
[13:15] <directhex> persia, split the packages, to remove the ridiculous monolithic disk-eating jre package
[13:16] <Hobbsee> laga: yeah, usually - but separate bug reports for each package, otherwise launchpad spams people, and could break.
[13:16] <persia> directhex: Is there a URL to the proposal?
[13:16] <directhex> persia, no, i just mentioned it in here when someone asked about openjdk on the install cd
[13:17] <laga> Hobbsee: breaking LP? sounds interesting :)
[13:17] <directhex> persia, look at it this way. how much disk space is needed to install enough stuff to run "java helloworld.class"?
[13:17] <Hobbsee> laga: not really.  being able to accept packages is useful, and launchpad breaks enough without deliberately attempting to break it.
[13:17] <persia> directhex: I understand.  The jre-headless effort is taking care of some of that.
[13:18] <persia> Still, it needs something concrete to be proposed before anyone is likely to do anything about it.
[13:18] <directhex> persia, wake me when it stops being 10x more bloated than a minimal mono install
[13:18] <directhex> and that's a hard figure, not hyperbole
[13:19] <wgrant> s/more bloated/larger/
[13:19] <wgrant> One cannot define bloat objectively.
[13:20] <persia> directhex: Please create a web page defining which parts may be split out, and how.  I'll make sure it gets raised in the appropriate meetings.
[13:21] <directhex> persia, i'm not familiar enough with java's inner workings to do a detailed analysis. that's why i was trying to get the idea into the head of someoneone javaish, so they might be able to analyse it
[13:23] <directhex> i suspect it's harder with java, given how everything's wrapped up inside jar files
[13:23] <directhex> or perhaps not. but it's unlikely to be easy
[13:24] <persia> directhex: They get wrapped in jar files during the build, so that's not the issue.  What is an issue is defiing which libraries are core.
[13:24] <persia> If we look at C by comparison: how is it decided what goes in libc, and what is a separate library?
[13:25] <persia> It's the same sort of thing, and someone has to grind through it carefully.  I'd wager that the majority of users would want the subset of Java libraries that meets Sun's compatibility tests, but I may be mistaken, and if someone else were to do a deep analysis, I'd be happy to review or present it.
[13:27] <directhex> you can still provide a metapackage to pull everything in. but look at it on a per-app basis. does foo desktop app require bar library? does System.out.println need a dependency on ca-certificates?
[13:30] <persia> directhex: Indeed.  It sounds like you have a good handle on this.  I'm looking forward to the results.
[13:30] <directhex> persia, i have a handle on it that comes from my team (debian-mono)
[13:32] <directhex> persia, "mono helloworld.exe" needs 7 meg on disk, or 2.4 meg of packages. that's pretty damn minimal for a non-c language
[13:32] <persia> directhex: The current issues that are actively being pursued by the Java team are 1) working with major upstreams to better understand what Ubuntu needs to provide to be a useful development platform, 2) trying to find all the free software in multiverse that can be in universe, and 3) patching maven so that maven-based builds don't need internet access (or break the packaging system).  I'm sure that more hands, especially with experience with
[13:32] <persia>  related systems, would be welcome.
[13:33] <persia> Unfortunately, with the current set of hands, that's about all that can be done in parallel.
[13:34] <directhex> persia, i can try to answer questions about mono (and mono packaging), but i simply don't have the experience with java to be helpful at the front-end of things
[13:35] <directhex> persia, it just strikes me that java apps are gonna have a hard time getting onto the ubuntu install cd, and i thought the mono case might be useful to compare
[13:35] <persia> directhex: I suspect what is needed is someone else, who has more time than I, and more familiarity with Java than you :)
[13:35] <directhex> yes!
[13:36] <persia> Yes, it may be.  On the other hand, I think that the expectation of a Java plugin for web browsers will pull at least some JRE, and probably a fairly heavy one.
[13:36] <directhex> of course, this comparison gets even less fair when post-lenny optimization to the mono stack arrives. should mean a ~50% reduction in deps for tomboy/f-spot
[13:37] <directhex> hard to know for certain yet
[13:38] <persia> I think that for squeeze, Java will still be chasing MoveToMain, although it may be that once that is complete, optimisation will be investigated more.
[13:38] <persia> There's still *lots* of issues regarding architecture support: only about 5 architectures have good Java stacks now.
[13:39] <directhex> is that a problem for ubuntu?
[13:40] <persia> To a lesser degree, yes.  Ubuntu doesn't have good stacks for ia64 or hppa.
[13:40] <directhex> nobody does. my altix is stuck running java 1.4
[13:41] <persia> Yep.  At least the powerpc stack is steadily improving, and OpenJDK supports HotSpot on amd64/i386/lpia/sparc
[13:42] <directhex> no kfreebsd support, from what i can see?
[13:44] <persia> No, I think OpenJDK/HotSpot is only linux and solaris.
[13:44] <persia> I wouldn't be surprised to see support for Darwin in the future, and from there, it ought be a short step to kfreebsd
[13:46] <directhex> any idea how long FF2 is going to be included in ubuntu - or perhaps more to the point, how long xulrunner 1.8 and 1.9 dev packages will conflict each other?
[13:49] <Laney> Hobbsee: I had marked that bug Incomplete, so I think it's a bit unfair to say that I "suck" when I hadn't even finished it yet
[13:51] <Hobbsee> Laney: ahh.  when i saw it, it was done.
[13:51] <Hobbsee> ** Changed in: ubuntu-restricted-extras (Ubuntu)
[13:51] <Hobbsee>        Status: Incomplete => Fix Released
[13:51] <Laney> laga: Yes, it is a broken transition - those who uploaded the new package didn't even arrange it, it was up to someone else to discover it
[13:51] <Laney> Hobbsee: I was going to do all of the other rdepends first... oh well
[13:51] <Hobbsee> but, uh, it took you two days to add one or two sentences to the bug?
[13:52] <Laney> That's why it was Incomplete.
[13:52] <Hobbsee> right
[14:00] <nxvl> \o/
[14:29] <DktrKranz> apachelogger: you maintain qgrubeditor, which is no longer developed upstream and affected by bug 191844. Sounds good to you to ask for its removal (superseded by kgrubeditor, in main actually) and eventually fix that bug in Hardy via SRU?
[14:30] <sistpoty> NCommander: you wanted to write minutes for the motu-release meeting, right? any progress so far?
[14:36] <apachelogger> DktrKranz: technically, we are the maintainers ;-) I actually thought I had this thing removed when kgrubeditor got introduced, I'll add it to my todo. I don't know what to do about the bug though, according to upstream the read/writing of menu.lst is the same in qgrubeditor and kgrubeditor....  I will poke him about it
[14:40] <DktrKranz> apachelogger: thanks. And yes, we are all maintainers, but spoking with you looks more fair to me :)
[14:41] <mok0> Any sbuild experts around? I have a whole bunch of mounted lvm snapshots that are not unmounted when the build exits. I thought that was supposed to happen.
[14:52] <sistpoty> NCommander: gotta run now, see private mail
[15:19] <\sh> svaksha: hey...nice to see you here :)
[15:20] <svaksha> \sh: hi
[15:26] <persia> mok0: It ought be the rare case that they aren't unmounted, but it can happen.
[15:26] <persia> schroot -e -c $(long identifier extracted from `sudo lvs`) usually closes them manually, if this is required.
[15:27] <wgrant> I've seen it unfortunately often while conducting archive rebuilds.
[15:27] <persia> You may have something set to only delete chroots if the build is successful.
[15:27] <wgrant> Often up to 4 or 5 will collect over a day of solid rebuilds.
[15:27] <persia> wgrant: It seems related to the specific software installed as build-deps: I beleive it to be especially sensitive to certain servers
[15:27] <wgrant> Quite likely.
[15:28] <wgrant> It was patched to kill everything last year, but perhaps it doesn't look hard enough.
[15:30] <persia> I suspect recommends-by-default plus delayed cleanup of the side-effects of this are responsible for current issues.
[15:30] <persia> refreshed chroots are probably cleaner, but the destructive hints likely also need review.
[16:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Does anyone know where I can find a definitive list of the buildd custom settings so I can ensure pbuilder runs identically?
[16:17] <azeem> IntuitiveNipple: buildd uses sbuild I thought
[16:17] <geser> yes it does
[16:18] <jpds> IntuitiveNipple: pbuilder does have a --variant=buildd option. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[16:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Does that infer what hooks and env vars are set that won't be in plain pbuilder, things such as DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck
[16:18] <geser> but I don't know if even with sbuild you can get an identical build environment
[16:19] <azeem> IntuitiveNipple: no
[16:19] <IntuitiveNipple> jpds: thanks, I know, that isn't the issue
[16:19] <azeem> IntuitiveNipple: not by default at least, I guess
[16:20] <IntuitiveNipple> The case I just got caught by is building openjdk in a pbuilder and it is *still* running the entire test suite! I finally figured out that is because "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck" wasn't set... I was caught recently by another sun-java hook that pre-accepts the SLD licence on buildd's but in pbuilder was prompting for manual acceptance... I just want to be sure I'm not caught out again by something else :)
[16:21] <geser> IntuitiveNipple: you also need to install pkgbinarymangler (don't forget to enable pkgstriptranslations) and pkg-create-dbgsym (for .ddebs) to get a similar build environment
[16:22] <azeem> IntuitiveNipple: are you inferring that openjdk is built with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck on the official buildds?
[16:22] <IntuitiveNipple> It is
[16:22] <azeem> weird
[16:22] <IntuitiveNipple> I was comparing the build logs to figure out why my pbuilder was going through hours of tests, and the buildd logs don't... that's the only thing I can see would make a difference
[16:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Maybe not... it'd bring the buildd's to a halt for a long time if they run :D
[16:24] <IntuitiveNipple> I assumed that "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck" was a standard setting, since I can't see any way it can be introduced by the package itself and not affect this pbuilder
[16:24] <azeem> it's not meant to be set on buildds
[16:24] <azeem> it's meant to manually override testsuite runs
[16:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Hence me asking is there a list of all the 'quirks' the buildd's use :)
[16:24] <azeem> I'm still not convinced they use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS
[16:25] <IntuitiveNipple> openjdk's debian/rules keys off that to set the with_check flag, which causes the mauve test harness to be run
[16:25] <azeem> I didn't understand
[16:26] <azeem> are you sure it doesn't take other stuff into account as well?
[16:26] <IntuitiveNipple> It does "with_check = $(if $(findstring nocheck, $(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS)),,yes)"
[16:27] <IntuitiveNipple> then "ifeq ($(with_check),yes) ... with_jtreg_check = yes"
[16:27] <nxvl> dholbach: ready for your session?
[16:27] <IntuitiveNipple> which leads to "ifeq ($(with_jtreg_check),yes) ... -xvfb-run $(MAKE) -k jtregcheck 2>&1 | tee jtreg_output"
[16:28] <IntuitiveNipple> and that last runs the source package's make rule for running the harness
[16:28] <azeem> well, dunno
[16:30] <geser> IntuitiveNipple: are you sure that the buildds don't run the test? because http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16858800/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.openjdk-6_6b11-6ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz contains "TEST RESULTS: 4 of 2568 tests failed.  3 total calls to harness.check() failed."
[16:32] <IntuitiveNipple> geser, that is identical to the pbuilder but then where the buildd's stop this is still going on... another 120,000 lines in the build log-file so far
[16:32] <azeem> right, e.g. the python2.5 tests are rnu as well
[16:32] <Don-S> I have written a program in Python and would like to make a package out of it, but I'm not really sure what to do...
[16:32] <Don-S> Can anyone help me on it?
[16:32] <azeem> Don-S: look at other python packages
[16:32] <Don-S> Got an example?
[16:32] <azeem> apt-cache search python
[16:32] <Don-S> Thanks.
[16:33] <IntuitiveNipple> geser: it is veeeery strange :)
[16:33] <geser> IntuitiveNipple: does perhaps xvfb work for you? because the log contains Xvfb failed to start
[16:33] <philwyett> Don-S: Also maybe look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn#Packaging%20From%20Scratch
[16:33] <IntuitiveNipple> geser: hmmm, let me look
[16:34] <Don-S> philwyett: I've looked, read and worked my way through it, but not really sure how to apply that to my program. I suppose I need to create a .dsc file etc.
[16:35] <azeem> .dsc files get created by dpkg-buildpackage -S
[16:35] <Don-S> Aye. That got me a bit further.
[16:37] <IntuitiveNipple> geser: !!! The buildd log I was looking at was the previous version, which didn't have the tests running. I've just loaded the 6b11-6ubuntu1 and it is looking to be the same... I'm still scrolling down though to see how far they match! I *really* need to go to bed overnight - my brain is short-circuiting!
[16:37] <IntuitiveNipple> geser: thanks for spotting that!
[16:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Now I'm feared to upload it to the PPA since it will take ages :)
[16:46] <IntuitiveNipple> So the solution is, check the log of the hardy-proposed build, not just the main release :s
[16:50] <dholbach> nxvl: definitely
[16:56] <RainCT> Can someone remember me how the build:, clean:, etc. lines are called? My brain just died :P
[16:56] <azeem> make targets?
[16:56] <RainCT> azeem: that's it, thanks
[17:45] <slicer> Hi. I need some help with bug marking. I just fixed a bug in xserver's xevie extension, and I've created a bug report (with patch) in debian as well as sent the patch upstream to Xorg. There are a few bugs in the Ubuntu bug tracker which are marked against other packages, but all of them will be fixed once this patch is applied. What should I mark the older bugs as?
[17:48] <slicer> While they technically are duplicates, it feels a bit wrong to mark them as a duplicate of a newer bug report. Though I could be wrong?
[17:48] <slytherin> slicer: Nothing since your patch is not commited yet
[17:50] <slicer> But wouldn't it make sense to update the rather confusing bug reports with a pointer to somewhere where the bug has been analyzed and a solution found?
[17:52] <slytherin> slicer: Well, I thought you were talking about changing their status.
[17:53] <slytherin> any wine experts here?
[17:53] <slicer> slytherin: Well. If there was some way to mark them as "this is just a lot of confusing talk, and the user's problem will be fixed when bug #xyz is fixed.", and have launchpad take care of the rest, that would be ideal :)
[17:54] <slytherin> slicer: you can use 'Also affects' and then point to upstream bug.
[17:54] <slicer> slytherin: Ah. That'll work. Thanks :) I'd just like to avoid someone else also spending time on the bug when I've already done it.
[20:46] <sebner> geser: kees :  Compare bug #262606 and bug #262763 :D :D :D
[20:47] <sebner> huhu sistpoty :D
[20:48] <sistpoty> hi sebner
[20:48] <sebner> sistpoty: how is life going?
[20:48] <sistpoty> sebner: so far so good... still need to pack for going to vacation tomorrow though :)
[20:49] <sistpoty> NCommander: got my mail? I'd start writing minutes now
[20:50] <sebner> sistpoty: vacation? sounds great for you ... and bad for ubuntu ^^
[20:50] <sistpoty> sebner: bah, I'm lazy anyways, you'll hardly recognize I'm away *g*
[20:51] <sebner> sistpoty: ^^, how long and where if I'm allowed to ask? :)
[20:52] <sistpoty> sebner: about one week (mainly depending on the wheather), going camping into the "mecklenburger seenplatte"
[20:53] <sebner> sistpoty: wuhh, you nasty "naturbursche" :P
[20:53] <sistpoty> hehe
[20:55] <sebner> sistpoty: Well, I wish you very very very nice vacation with lots of relaxing and that stuff :)
[20:55] <sistpoty> sebner: thanks a lot :)
[21:00] <directhex> cuba's a good place for a vacation. one without internet access :o
[21:00] <sebner> sistpoty: btw, got my "einberufung". 12. Januar. What a fun xD
[21:00] <sebner> directhex: lol
[21:00] <directhex> sebner, no really
[21:00] <sistpoty> sebner: oh, sounds like real fun :/
[21:02] <sebner> sistpoty: but only because it's in winter. I'm a geek so "eingeschränkt tauglich" :P
[21:02] <sistpoty> heh
[21:02] <sebner> directhex: what about Bermuda?
[21:02] <directhex> dunno. never been. they have tirangles and shorts though
[21:03] <sebner> hrhr xD
[21:03] <sebner> directhex: and planes, ship wrecks ,.. :P
[21:08] <geser> sebner: which unit got you assigned to for military service?
[21:08] <directhex> but they have cars! http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox-2/cuba-2/?pid=165#picture_nav
[21:11] <sebner> geser: well I wanted to be at the "stabskommands (bürojobs)" but this wasn't possible and now at the "Pioniere, aber faherer oder  büro da ja nur eingeschränkt tauglich"
[21:11] <sebner> so much germanism xD
[21:12] <jpds> Hmm.
[21:15] <geser> I had my basic training ("AGA", time you learn the german military acronyms :) in a tank unit but got later transfered into "Stab" and got a nice office job
[21:15]  * sistpoty was a coward and worked in home for the aged instead
[21:16] <cbx333> hey guys
[21:16] <cbx333> long time
[21:16] <cbx333> howz it all going
[21:16] <cbx333> ajmitch, evenin
[21:16] <azeem> cbx333: we're discussing the german military
[21:16] <cbx333> ok i see
[21:16] <geser> sebner: btw, how long is military service these days?
[21:17] <cbx333> guys why doesn't ubuntu re detect hardware corectly
[21:17] <sebner> geser: 6 months
[21:17] <geser> wow, I had to do 9 months
[21:17] <sebner> geser: I know. /here it changed this or last year
[21:17] <cbx333> I just swapped out a cd drive for a dvd drive, on a totally different ide channel....and totem refuses to play dvd, as does vlc
[21:17] <sebner> geser: and I also want to get a nice office job. also not that bad changes :)
[21:18] <sebner> *chances
[21:18] <cbx333> anyway to force it to redetect?
[21:19] <sebner> cbx333: #ubuntu , we are not a support chan
[21:20] <geser> sebner: I hoped to get into "S6" (IT department) but got only into "S4" (responsible for ordering stuff)
[21:20] <cbx333> sebner, I know that
[21:20] <cbx333> I am a MOTU
[21:20] <sebner> cbx333: O_o, sry, first time I see you here
[21:20] <cbx333> yeh it has been a while
[21:21] <sebner> geser: doesn't matter. office job is office job. better than lying in the mud xD
[21:23] <geser> sebner: true, aren't "Pioniere" those who are lying below the mud? ;)
[21:23] <sebner> cbx333: ah, you are pete. cool. nice to meet you :D
[21:23] <cbx333> hey sebner ;)
[21:23] <sebner> geser: unfortunately but remember. "eingeschränkt tauglich"
[21:25] <sebner> geser: ah I think I'm at "Führungsunterstützungsbataillon 1" at least for the "grundausbildung"
[21:27] <sebner> geser: can you tell me what " Führungsunterstützungsbataillon 1" *is*? O_o
[21:37] <geser> sebner: never heard of it, but if I understand the wikipedia article correctly those are mainly units which are used behind the front lines (unlike the combat units which are at the front line)
[21:38] <sebner> geser: It seems in Austria it's something like "Funker"
[21:38] <sebner> geser: Fernmeldeeinheit
[21:40] <geser> sebner: wait first where you get transfered to after your "Grundausbildung", it can be very different
[21:41] <sebner> geser: I know. however. we'll see ^^
[21:42] <geser> my cousin was doing his "Grundausbildung" in south of Germany (> 600 km from home) and after that got transfered to the paramedics and got a job in a military hospital only 30 km from home
[21:43] <sebner> geser: ^^, it could happen but in Austria or at least in carinthia it's not really common
[21:49] <kees> sebner: whoops.  "requestsync" doesn't have a dup-checker.  ;)
[21:50] <sebner> ^^
[21:52]  * jpds wonders how to implement that with lpbugs.
[21:53] <Laney> How mature is the new LP API?
[21:53] <Laney> (is it even on production yet?)
[21:54] <jpds> Laney: Considering I've just been randomly bashing it as hard as I can for the last two days... not very.
[21:54] <Laney> bah
[21:54] <Laney> I'd like to port u-d-t to it
[21:54] <jpds> Laney: I have an experimental branch on LP on it, look into my code page.
[21:55]  * Laney does
[21:55] <jpds> Laney: You'll get loads of biscuits and tea if you manage to fix it.
[21:56] <Laney> You know how to butter up an English guy
[21:57] <jpds> Laney: Well, am one myself ;-) and I would like the next u-d-t upload to use lplib.
[21:58] <geser> Laney: you can use the API with edge already but check first if it supports everything you need
[21:58]  * Laney nods
[21:58] <geser> e.g. you can't add currently bug comments with the LP API
[21:59] <jpds> My main problem is getting common.py's isLPTeamMember() to work with launchpad.people and "inTeam" at http://people.ubuntu.com/~flacoste/launchpad-api-doc.html
[22:00] <geser> jpds: btw, you don't need to add ubuntu1 to the versioning of u-d-t as it's a Ubuntu native package
[22:01] <jpds> geser: OK; blame RainCT for starting that tread (something about stopping NMU compliants.)
[22:07] <RainCT> geser: lintian goes mad if you don't (and I've seen other packages using that versioning too)
[22:09] <Laney> jpds: I get error 401s...
[22:09] <jpds> Laney: Exactly.
[22:10] <geser> RainCT, jpds: I guess the versioning is correct then
[22:10] <jpds> Laney: And I have no idea why... it's the same code as the tutorial: https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib
[22:11] <Laney> jpds: Yes, even doing "print launchpad.me.name" in a python console does it
[22:11] <Laney> Are you running launchpadlib trunk?
[22:11] <jpds> No, the intrepid packag.
[22:11] <RainCT> Laney, jpds: please don't switch u-d-t to launchapdlib yet
[22:11] <jpds> RainCT: We're not, it's "Experimental".
[22:12] <RainCT> (reasons: for now it's slower than py-lp-bugs, unstable API, etc.)
[22:12] <RainCT> alright
[22:12] <RainCT> just to be sure :)
[22:13] <sistpoty> NCommander, ScottK: draft for motu-release meeting minutes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/42531/
[22:13] <sistpoty> NCommander, ScottK: the logs are a little bit unclear, on whom we agreed on for ubuntu studio (and also I don't know the real name of _MMA_, in case we agreed on him)
[22:13] <NCommander> sistpoty, sorry for the issue over the minutes. Things got kinda crazy after I had to leave and ... well, I hope you expect my apology
[22:13] <NCommander> er, ACCEPT!
[22:13] <sistpoty> NCommander: heh, no problem
[22:14] <NCommander> yeah
[22:14] <NCommander> Sorry, my job sometimes sucks
[22:14] <sistpoty> NCommander: at least I'll accept, in case you proofread the notes ;)
[22:14] <sistpoty> *g*
[22:14] <NCommander> You want ME to proofread notes?
[22:14] <NCommander> Your braver than I thought
[22:15] <sistpoty> well, my speling is not the best :P
[22:15] <NCommander> neither is mine
[22:15] <Laney> jpds: Works with trunk
[22:15] <NCommander> On my NM application, I had to fix a package with a typo
[22:15] <NCommander> and introduced a new one in the changelog -_-;
[22:16] <NCommander> Talk about shooting oneself in the foot
[22:16] <jpds> Laney: Woo. I knew my code worked. Where is trunk?
[22:16] <NCommander> I don't see any glaring typos
[22:16] <Laney> jpds: bzr branch lp:launchpadlib
[22:16] <Laney> jpds: I meant print launchpad.me.name, isLPTeamMember doesn't ;)
[22:16] <jpds> Laney: OK; I'll check it out later.
[22:20] <jpds> kees: http://paste.ubuntu.com/42535/
[22:26]  * Laney gives up with that for now