[00:03] <fta_> no idea. why doing backports at all ? to avoid security patches ?
[00:05] <asac> i dont think that security patches are less work.
[00:05] <asac> actually i'd use backports and security releases as a synomym here
[00:06] <asac> but yeah. when we do something we want to do it more in a security upload way
[00:08] <fta_> who is taking care of all security updates in universe -1, -2, .. ?
[00:11] <asac> is there anyone?
[00:11] <fta_> so if there's none, why should we ?
[00:11] <fta_> except for be nice as you said
[00:11] <asac> thats the question ;)
[00:11] <fta_> being
[00:12] <asac> but i am not sure ... if we should follow that path
[00:12] <asac> also at least browsers are the most exposed thing on the system
[00:12] <asac> so security threads are really important for all the users
[00:13] <asac> fta_: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn
[00:14] <asac> thats the list of security advisories
[00:14] <asac> so most likely in universe the proportion is quite similar
[00:14] <asac> which means that we would be responsible for half of the packages that need security updates
[00:14] <asac> s/half of the packages/half of the uploads/
[00:14] <asac> of course the number is a bit high
[00:15] <asac> just to show the point
[00:24] <fta_> we need a bigger team then. people willing to do old stuff :P
[00:39] <asac> yes. i just want to raise awareness that we are also talking about old stuff when talking about new ;)
[01:17] <asac> ok ...i think security backports are done (well, beta channel state :) ... http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/mozilla-security/1.8.1.17/
[01:19] <fta> you still have a bunch of in progress in bug 218534
[01:22] <asac> i ment backports -> patches ;) ... not packages. but you are right. those should be not forgotten again this time
[01:25] <asac> seamonkey and xulrunner that is
[08:30] <Jazzva> asac, bug 250769
[08:30] <Jazzva> seems like it's not nspluginwrapper-related bug... (the problem with npviewer popping up)
[09:45] <gnomefreak> well it seems to be my gpg key set up
[09:53] <gnomefreak> !info gnupg-agent hardy
[09:54] <gnomefreak> !info gnupg-agent intrepid
[10:15] <gnomefreak> ok i need someone to send me an encryped email to johnvivirito@gmail.com
[10:27] <asac> gnomefreak: key id?
[10:27] <gnomefreak> 0x764D5E13
[10:28] <asac> gnomefreak: you should add that mail to the IDs of that key too
[10:28] <asac> anyway. send
[10:29] <gnomefreak> asac: can firefox use libgcc1 instead of libstdc6++
[10:29] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[10:29] <asac> err those are no replacements
[10:30] <gnomefreak> asac: thats what i thought but needed to make sure
[10:39] <gnomefreak> gnupg-agent needs to get fixed
[10:41] <gnomefreak> btw today is a holiday in US so people may or may not show up. im here for a little while heavily testing firegpg so far all works well but only without gnupg-agent
[10:50] <gnomefreak> asac: i send you email to test sending some more this would be 4th email sent using firegpg
[10:51]  * gnomefreak loves when things work :)
[10:51] <gnomefreak> however you have to have gnupg-agent disabled/removed since there is a bug with passwords+gnupg-agent
[10:52] <gnomefreak> filed bug already
[10:56] <asac> gnomefreak: havent got any mail from you
[10:57] <gnomefreak> sent it to your ubuntu.com address :(
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: never send with HTML
[11:04] <asac> that goes to /dev/null
[11:04] <asac> most likely you did through gmail
[11:10] <gnomefreak> ah i might have but didnt see option to toggle but let me see if its in firegpg preferences
[11:11] <gnomefreak> there is no way to change it and i didnt see any in gmail interface
[11:11] <asac> ok your mail is in the spam folder
[11:12] <asac> appears to be encrypted ... but strange format ;)
[11:12] <asac> e.g. inline encryption
[11:12] <asac> but should be fine
[11:15] <gnomefreak> im going through gmail settings and i think i found a way to use UTF-8 instead of html but it just says "default" "gmail will decide the best format to use"
[11:19] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. i think gmail is hard about keeping your mail in html
[11:23] <gnomefreak> yeah from what i see it is
[11:24] <gnomefreak> but it works and that makes me happy ;)
[11:25] <gnomefreak> well i updated my bug on gnupg-agent so maybe someone will look at it since as of now noone has
[11:33] <gnomefreak> asac: from what ive seen its safe to push to intrepid the only thing that causes it to not work right seems to be gnupg-agent however it works without it and with it disabled
[11:35]  * gnomefreak not sure what else to test on it but sending=signed, encrypted adn decrypt works and it adds all the buttons  that it should in gmail (i dont have any email other than gmail at this time
[11:35] <gnomefreak> ok im gonna go back to sleep its been a very long morning
[11:39] <gnomefreak> works with 3.1 too :)
[11:39] <gnomefreak> ok gone for a while
[16:18] <XioNoX> hi !
[16:19] <gandi> heya!
[16:19] <gandi> XioNoX: howdy?
[16:19] <XioNoX> gandi,  ?
[16:20] <gandi> XioNoX: how do you do?
[16:20] <XioNoX> Fine
[16:20] <XioNoX> I've finish my first school day
[16:20] <XioNoX> but I have a crappy wifi connexion :(
[16:21] <gandi> hah
[16:21] <gandi> I just landed in Victoria
[16:21] <gandi> :)
[16:21] <XioNoX> gandi, and you ? what about canada ?
[16:21] <gandi> landed yesterday
[16:21] <XioNoX> ok
[16:21] <gandi> going to look for an apartment today
[16:21] <XioNoX> nice
[16:21] <asac> gandi: movin?
[16:21] <gandi> and invade my new school
[16:22] <gandi> asac: yea, I'm on the exchange in Victoria right now :)
[16:22] <asac> ah ... ok university? what city?
[16:22] <asac> cool cool
[16:22] <asac> unfortunatly the winter will come any time soon :)
[16:22] <XioNoX> Lannion :D
[16:22] <asac> sorry for that ;)
[16:23] <gandi> asac: I hate you now
[16:23] <fta_> XioNoX, you're in Lannion or in Rennes ?
[16:24] <gandi> who cares? I hate him now!
[16:24] <asac> gandi: what did i do?
[16:24] <asac> ;)
[16:24] <asac> winter can be great ;)
[16:25] <gandi> asac: reminded me about the upcoming winter :D
[16:25] <gandi> it's pretty worm here right now
[16:25] <asac> well. at least in hamburg we hardy ever had a real winter. so i would like the experience
[16:25] <asac> but i guess one winter would be enough :)
[16:56] <armin76> anyone knows if there's a way in the livecd to not load a module?
[16:56] <armin76> asac: ^
[17:30] <asac> armin76: there probably is :)
[17:31] <asac> but i dont know how :(
[17:37] <armin76> pfff, bad dev :P
[18:49] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=906897
[19:39] <Volans> ah ecco
[19:40] <alefteris> hi, what is the name of the .deb that includes the localization (translations) for firefox 3?
[19:41]  * Volans ops... wrong channel, sorry :)
[19:43] <fta> alefteris, language-pack-fr-base
[19:43] <fta> language-pack-fr-base: /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/langpack-fr@firefox-3.0.ubuntu.com
[19:46] <alefteris> fta, looking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/language-pack-fr-base/filelist, there is no files for firefox
[19:46] <alefteris> how can i find the package that this extension gets installed with?
[19:51] <fta> hmm, hold on
[19:51] <fta> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=fr.jar&mode=exactfilename&suite=hardy&arch=any
[19:52] <fta> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/language-pack-gnome-fr-base/filelist
[19:58] <alefteris> fta, aha thanks. I have this package installed, put the extension files are not there, that is weird, i should try reinstalling it
[19:59] <fta> is /usr/lib/firefox-addons empty ?
[19:59] <alefteris> fta, it contains only the en extensions
[20:00] <fta> try a --reinstall of language-pack-gnome-fr-base then
[20:07] <alefteris> fta, i reinstalled the package, but the files do not appear yet. tha package manager says that "Changes will take effect when all current X sessions have ended". but the files should have been copied in their position right?
[20:07] <fta> righy
[20:07] <fta> right
[20:08] <fta> do you have the right deb ? 1:8.04+20080415 ?
[20:11] <fta> hm, indeed, i don't see it in the deb
[20:12] <fta> alefteris, oh, it's in language-pack-fr
[20:12] <alefteris> fta, yes, i have tha right version, i downloaded manualy the deb, extracted and copied over the extension files
[20:12] <alefteris> I know, is bad :)
[20:12] <fta> try with language-pack-fr, i just tested on hardy, it's in there
[20:13] <alefteris> I restarted firefox and in the addon window the extension has ver. numb 3.0b5 and it says it is not compatible with 3.0.1
[20:14] <alefteris> blody hell, i should have copied tha files from updates :/
[20:17] <fta> try apt-get install --reinstall language-pack-fr
[20:18] <fta> $ grep em:version=  /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/langpack-fr@firefox-3.0.ubuntu.com/install.rdf
[20:18] <fta>                em:version="3.0.1"
[20:20] <alefteris> fta, yea!! worked
[20:21] <fta> great
[20:21] <alefteris> fta, i think the problem was that the extensions where in gnome-base at some version and then moved to language-pack-el-base at some later stage.
[20:21] <alefteris> is that right?
[20:22] <fta> something like that yes, it was a hot topic last year. in intrepid, it moved again
[20:23] <alefteris> fta, where to this time?
[20:23] <fta> language-pack-fr-base apparently
[20:24] <alefteris> going back and forth..
[20:24] <fta> should be transparent
[20:25] <alefteris> fta, thanks a lot for your help :)
[20:26] <alefteris> fta, do you know if there is any progress with the spellchecking dict, consolidation?
[20:26] <fta> i'm not working on that, sorry.
[20:27] <fta> but for firefox, it should be working just fine
[20:27] <alefteris> fta, firefox still has hunspell embeded, yes? I thing there was a plan to plit it out
[20:28] <alefteris> like the guys from fedora did
[20:28] <fta> split it out from what ?
[20:28] <alefteris> from firefox source code
[20:29] <fta> we use the system one
[20:29] <alefteris> curently it has a version of hunspell integraded, which is a bad thing
[20:30] <fta> as i said, we don't use it, we use the one installed on the system
[20:31] <alefteris> fta, are you sure? I dont see any depentensy of firefox for hunspell
[20:36] <fta> lsof -p 18663| grep spell
[20:36] <fta> firefox-3 18663  fta  mem    REG        8,1   204416   541758 /usr/lib/libhunspell-1.1.so.0.0.0
[20:41] <alefteris> fta, you are right, but firefox still can't take advantage of the system installed hunsell dictionaries
[20:42] <fta> it should as /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.*/dictionaries is a link to /usr/share/myspell/dicts/
[20:44] <fta> hm, right, i have more dicts installed than i can see in ff
[20:45] <alefteris> yeap, you have to install an extension from mozilla addons to get spellingchecking in another language
[20:46] <alefteris> the blueprint is at https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/consolidate-spell-checkers
[20:47] <alefteris> it says beta, but dont know if there is going to be in intrepid
[20:48] <asac> alefteris: you probably need hardy-updates enabled
[20:48] <asac> the latest langpacks are in language-pack-fr
[20:48] <asac> but those are only in hardy-updates
[20:49] <alefteris> asac, i have them enebled, I dont know what happened with the particular package
[20:51] <asac> alefteris: then reinstall the language-pack-fr and language-pack-fr-base
[20:51] <asac> as well
[20:51] <alefteris> asac, I did that and solved the problem :)
[20:51] <alefteris> when i reinstalled language-pack-fr
[20:52] <alefteris> -el actually
[22:36] <asac> alefteris: makes sense
[23:02] <fta> damn, valgrind is crashing
[23:02] <fta> gdb too
[23:08] <fta> does glib has something to print the stack ?