[00:07] <kartoffelmensch> hey! i want to deinstall this crappy keyring app but if i tell synaptics to deinstall it, synaptic says that its going to remove xubuntu-desktop, networkmanager etc as well
[00:07] <kartoffelmensch> 1. why? and 2. what can i do about it?
[00:34] <spasticteapot> My XFCE installation is messed up.
[00:34] <spasticteapot> Severely so.
[00:38] <theunixgeek_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5702397#post5702397
[00:38] <theunixgeek_> please!!!
[00:39] <spastic_teapot> My XFCE installation is messed up.
[00:39] <spastic_teapot> The panel fails to load upon boot, and the network manager plugin has disappeared entirely.
[00:39] <spastic_teapot> Also, firefox is stuck in "work offline" mode by default.
[00:48] <spastic_teapot> Anyone here?
[00:48] <favro> spastic_teapot: you can use alt+F2 then type   xfce4-panel &   to get the panel back
[00:48] <spastic_teapot> I did that.
[00:49] <spastic_teapot> I'd rather not have to every time I boot, though.
[00:49] <favro> and you have a folder ~/.config/xfce4/panel?
[01:28] <spastic_teapot> favro: I am back.
[01:29] <spastic_teapot> In ~/.config/xfce4/panel, there is lots of stuff.
[01:29] <spastic_teapot> And yet, no panel on boot.
[01:33] <favro> spastic_teapot: ther is a panels.xml?
[01:34] <spastic_teapot> Yep.
[01:34] <spastic_teapot> BTW, thanks for help.
[01:34] <jinjan> mal
[01:34] <favro> spastic_teapot: np - but apart from that I don't know what else to look for...
[01:36] <spastic_teapot> Hmm.
[01:51] <sevensun> sorry guys i got a problem with amule. When I try do download the server list, it simply crashes. Got amule, amule commons, and alla the stuff on...
[01:53] <spastic_teapot> Amule?
[01:53] <sevensun> yess
[01:54] <kartoffelmensch> whats the URL of the site where i can paste long texts ?
[01:54] <kartoffelmensch> to show ppl my error logs etc ?
[01:57] <kartoffelmensch> got it!
[02:00] <ozkugh> http://i33.tinypic.com/2ut0taf.jpg xubuntu = hotness!
[02:00] <sevensun> sorry guys i got a problem with amule. When I try do download the server list, it simply crashes. Got amule, amule commons, and alla the stuff on... can anybody help me??
[02:01] <pleia2> sevensun: have you tried asking in #amule?
[02:02] <pleia2> also, to debug you might try launching it from a terminal
[02:02] <pleia2> open a terminal, type: amule (or whatever the command to launch it is)
[02:02] <pleia2> when it crashes it should give you some output in the terminal
[02:03] <sevensun> pleia2:nevere heard about it. I'll try, thanx.
[03:20] <phayz> can anyone hint as to how i find the "source" artwork for usplash?  i'm adapting a minimal ubuntu install to be "like" xubuntu and want to have the same custom look from splashy, to xfce splash scree, to wallpaper
[03:28] <phayz> ummm...please cancel that!  packages.ubuntu.com is a wonder, mainly because i found what i wanted there :)
[03:32] <spastic_teapot> Does anyone know where I might find a log of start-up errors, and more specifically, which one is causing my panels from coming up when I boot?
[04:09] <wols_> spastic_teapot: ~/.xsession-errors possibly
[04:16] <jhalstead_> I'm looking to connect Thunar to an FTP folder
[06:21] <ozkugh> hi im having problems i cant brighten my lcd screen with the function keys on my laptop  with xubuntu
[07:13] <deakillo> hi i really need help
[07:13] <deakillo> something very wrong its going on with my desktop
[07:13] <deakillo>  its all blue color.. my desktop image disappear and when i try right click.. nothing happens :S
[08:01] <deakillo> hi
[08:01] <deakillo> does anyone know if xubuntu comes with uvc drivers for webcams by default
[08:01] <deakillo> just as ubuntu
[08:29] <deakillo> hello
[08:29] <deakillo> anybody here?
[10:35] <deakillo> hello
[10:41] <deakillo>  i want to add some icons.. but how do i know the terminal code? for example i want to add openoffice word processor.. whats the terminal code, how can i know that? also i want to add appfinder..
[12:43] <overrider> hello, what is a good picture management app? like say, preview for osx? i need a little better than ristretto, best would be the possibility to rotate pics and stuff and to delete directly from the interface. thanks
[12:45] <pleia2> overrider: f-spot
[12:45] <pleia2> (I'm not familiar with preview, but f-spot is a very very nice app)
[12:46] <overrider> pleia2, excellent, thanks;  i will give it a shot right now
[13:19] <kartoffelmensch> where to deactivate compiz ?
[13:20] <sevensun> Hello guys, do you got any suggestion to make my internet connection automatically re-connect? And to not always ask about the nm-applet keyring? I need this to leave my pc downloading during the night ;)
[13:21] <kartoffelmensch> install another network manager :p
[13:21] <sevensun> such as?
[13:21] <kartoffelmensch> just enter network manager or sth like in synaptics
[13:22] <kartoffelmensch> i dont know any else but i also gotta find one because this keyring app really sux
[13:22] <kartoffelmensch> did u find where to deactivate compiz? :f
[13:22] <sevensun> I'm afraid that the wifi won't work if I change the network manager, i got eeeXubuntu and I already had to formatt few times
[13:22] <kartoffelmensch> since this is my current prob
[13:22] <kartoffelmensch> mh
[13:22] <sevensun> actually I don't even know what compiz is :P
[13:23] <kartoffelmensch> =)
[13:23] <kartoffelmensch> do u have an eee pc or are u just messing around with this distri on a normal pc ?
[13:24] <sevensun> no no I got eeePc 701. that's why
[13:25] <sevensun> I also cannot updgrade to xubuntu 8.04, because the eeexubuntu 7.10 has all the fixes I need
[13:25] <kartoffelmensch> but why shouldnt another network manager work? O_o
[13:26] <sevensun> donno. also: why shouldnt a
[13:26] <sevensun> FONT update make the wifi not working? but it did
[13:26] <sevensun> It's very unstable I think
[13:27] <kartoffelmensch> lol
[13:27] <sevensun> Well I'll try. but before I'll end all my downloads,so If I'll got to formatt again, I won't loose anything
[13:28] <sevensun> kartoffelmensch, are you having problem with amule?
[13:33] <kartoffelmensch> no
[13:33] <kartoffelmensch> why ?
[13:33] <kartoffelmensch> i dont even have this app
[13:35] <sevensun> well what do you use instead of it? To download... ehmmm "leagal" (*-)) stuff?
[13:36] <sevensun> i got this proble: when I try to get the server list, it crashes down
[13:36] <pleia2> sevensun: did you try launching it from a terminal to see if you get errors?
[13:37] <sevensun> yeah i did, as you suggested yesterday ;)
[13:37] <pleia2> anything?
[13:37] <sevensun> but it looks like the backlog (or what is it's name) is not useful
[13:38] <pleia2> can you pastebin it?
[13:38] <pleia2> !pastebin
[13:38] <sevensun> I should compile another one, in a very complicated way, and I'm unable to
[13:38] <sevensun> what? explain  please, slowly ;)
[13:39] <pleia2> use paste.ubuntu.com to share the errors you are seeing in the terminal when you launch the application from the terminal and it crashes
[13:39] <pleia2> so launch the program in the terminal, do what you do to make it crash, then copy everything that showed up in the terminal into the pastebin
[13:40] <sevensun> ok, but i also did it for the amule forum and
[13:41] <sevensun> I've found out that this kind of backlog seems to be not very useful
[13:41] <sevensun> coz it lacks of info *-)
[13:43] <pleia2> hmm, that's pretty standard debugging, was anyone in #amule helpful?
[13:44] <sevensun> no one, coz nobody answered
[13:45] <pleia2> well, unfortunately since their app doesn't do good error reporting you'll be better off joining their channel and lurking until you get help, or keeping on their forums, mailing lists, etc for help
[13:46] <pleia2> or you could file a bug report against the package :)
[13:46] <sevensun> uh?
[13:46] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amule
[13:47] <sevensun> what do you mean?
[13:47] <pleia2> looks like there are a couple bugs against it for crashing already
[13:47] <pleia2> you might be better off asking the amule people for help, not us
[13:47] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amule/+bug/175284
[13:48] <sevensun> yeah but you look more helpful :P
[13:48] <sevensun> ok I'll browse 4 it
[13:48] <sevensun> thnx
[13:48]  * pleia2 has never used amule in her life ;P
[13:49] <sevensun> what program do you use instead of it?
[13:49] <sevensun> or you don't use any?
[13:49] <pleia2> I use bittorrent for Ubuntu isos and such
[13:49] <pleia2> but don't really do anonymous filesharing beyond that
[13:49] <sevensun> i already use azureus
[13:50] <sevensun> but it's just good for recent stuff
[14:49] <kartoffelmensch> where is the "System -> Settings" button gone? where am i supposed to modify the visual effects now? anyone help ?
[14:51] <Ben_Cs> kartoffelmensch: application->settings
[14:52] <Ben_Cs> application->settings->settings manager
[14:54] <Myrtti> kartoffelmensch: newsflash: this is xubuntu
[14:55] <kartoffelmensch> ben_cs i already looked there, i dont find where to enable/disable visual effects or compiz etc
[14:56] <kartoffelmensch> Myrtti: in 7.x the menu was different
[14:56] <kartoffelmensch> but back than u prolly used suse
[14:56] <Myrtti> odd, I sorta remember it being like the way it was since 6.06
[14:56] <Myrtti> anyway
[14:56] <Myrtti> and yes, I'm ashamed for that "300" quote
[14:56] <Myrtti> excuse me, my guinea pigs are trying to get airborne again
[14:57] <kartoffelmensch> your getting funnier from line to line
[14:57] <Ben_Cs> kartoffelmensch: is co,piz installed? xfce has compositor installed by default
[14:57] <kartoffelmensch> yeah i mean that compositor
[14:57] <kartoffelmensch> not compiz ^^
[14:58] <kartoffelmensch> in 7.x i was able to deactivate it
[14:58] <kartoffelmensch> but now i dont find where the gui's for that are
[14:58] <Ben_Cs> kartoffelmensch: in settings manager go to Window Manager Tweaks
[14:59] <Ben_Cs> there you have the Compositor tab
[14:59] <kartoffelmensch> ahhhhhhhhhh
[14:59] <kartoffelmensch> omg i was so blind!
[14:59] <kartoffelmensch> =D
[14:59] <kartoffelmensch> thank u!!
[14:59] <Ben_Cs> you're welcome :)
[15:01] <deegee> hi
[15:48] <Guest71326> Hi
[15:48] <Guest71326> I'm trying to install xubuntu dapper drake on an old pc that use to run win95
[15:49] <Guest71326> but i have never installed linux before so i;m not sure if what i'm doing i'm doing right
[15:49] <Guest71326> and from what is happening at boot i think not
[15:49] <vinnl> What's happening?
[15:50] <Guest71326> everytime it boots after the main boot load in enteres a black screen with a cursor flashing and then it freezes
[15:50] <vinnl> And how long have you waited to see if it might still continue?
[15:51] <Guest71326> been there for atleast 20min now
[15:51] <vinnl> Hmm, that *is* quite long :P
[15:51] <vinnl> What you could try is using the Alternate Install CD, only problem is that you won't know in advance whether it'll all work
[15:52] <vinnl> (And that it's text-based, if you don't like that)
[15:52] <Guest71326> also not sure if i set the partitions the right way.  I have 2 HDs 1 60gb 1 20gb and i gave 18gb to root 2 to swap and left the 60GB to /home
[15:52] <Guest71326> thats what i'm using
[15:52] <vinnl> That should be fine I guess
[15:52] <vinnl> But have you created those partitions beforehand or during the install process?
[15:52] <Guest71326> so i don't have to pre mount anything else
[15:52] <Guest71326> like /urs or anything then?
[15:53] <Guest71326> during the install process
[15:53] <vinnl> pre mount?
[15:53] <vinnl> OK, wait a bit, I understood you incorrectly...
[15:53] <vinnl> How did you get to the install process if it freezes during boot?
[15:53] <Guest71326> yea when it registered the disks in entered a partition manager so i made those partitions and gave me the options to mount the dirs so i did
[15:54] <Guest71326> no the install ran smoothly
[15:54] <Guest71326> one i finished and rebooted i get the xubuntu boot logo the barr fills up
[15:54] <Guest71326> then it goes to a black screen with a cursor flashing and then it freezes
[15:54] <Guest71326> before actualy loading up the os
[15:54] <vinnl> Ah, it's already installed
[15:55] <Guest71326> yea
[15:55] <vinnl> Ehm, is Xubuntu the only installed OS?
[15:55] <Guest71326> yup
[15:55] <Guest71326> i erased the partition that had win95 with goparted
[15:56] <vinnl> OK, when you're booting up, there's something like "Press <Esc> for boot menu" right?
[15:56] <vinnl> (For about three seconds I believe)
[15:56] <vinnl> (Or wasn't that there yet with Dapper?
[15:56] <Guest71326> no this bios won't give me one time boot option
[15:56] <Guest71326> but i can change it in the bios
[15:56] <vinnl> No past the bios
[15:56] <Guest71326> it's a REALLY old pc
[15:56] <Guest71326> yea u mean like f8 or f12
[15:56] <Guest71326> yea it won't do anything
[15:56] <vinnl> No
[15:57] <Guest71326> then i duno
[15:57] <Guest71326> sry
[15:57] <Guest71326> <-- noob
[15:57] <vinnl> Ehm, perhaps you have it anyway, a menu with a few options, one of which is to boot into failsafe mode
[15:57] <vinnl> Guest71326, no it's just hard to explain :P
[15:57] <Guest71326> oh yeai think i can do that one
[15:57] <Guest71326> let me check
[15:58] <Guest71326> yea
[15:58] <Guest71326> it gives me
[15:58] <Guest71326> ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-26-386
[15:58] <Guest71326> same name but recovery mode
[15:59] <Guest71326> and ubuntu, memtest86+
[15:59] <vinnl> Yep, you could try that I suppose
[15:59] <vinnl> (The recovery mode)
[15:59] <Guest71326> ok i enetered recovery mode
[16:00] <Guest71326> weird
[16:00] <Guest71326> it stopped at
[16:00] <Guest71326> root@network
[16:00] <vinnl> OK, that means it's booted
[16:00] <vinnl> (Supposing you named your computer "network")
[16:00] <Guest71326> but i havent configured the network on this yet
[16:00] <Guest71326> no
[16:00] <vinnl> Hmm, ok, that's odd
[16:00] <Guest71326> it asked be for my network name to set it up
[16:01] <Guest71326> i choose set later
[16:01] <Guest71326> then it asked me the name anyways
[16:01] <Guest71326> so i placed network
[16:01] <Guest71326> maybe it was the pc name
[16:01] <Guest71326> i guess i can change that later
[16:01] <vinnl> Yeah
[16:01] <Guest71326> so what now
[16:01] <vinnl> Good question... :S
[16:01] <Guest71326> lol
[16:02] <vinnl> I was hoping someone else in this channel would be able to help out now :P
[16:02] <Guest71326> guess i'll just take this to my linux fan friends
[16:02] <Guest71326> i'm a pc tech but i have never worked with linux before just mac and win
[16:02] <Guest71326> so
[16:02] <Guest71326> :P
[16:02] <vinnl> Good luck then :)
[16:02] <Guest71326> thx and have a nice day
[16:02] <vinnl> Same to you
[17:20] <vidd> hello....i want to set up an install with a / and a /home partition....
[17:20] <vidd> how much room is best for the / partion?
[17:20] <Odd-rationale> vidd: how big is your disk?
[17:21] <vidd> just a standard home-user (no web server etc)
[17:21] <vidd> 40 gig
[17:21] <Odd-rationale> 10gb / is about standard...
[17:21] <Odd-rationale> some swap, and the rest to /home
[17:21] <vidd> wow...what is minimum>?
[17:22] <vidd> i have no "special needs" for the /home directory
[17:22] <Odd-rationale> vidd: for xubuntu, you could probably get away with 2 gb / but then you couldn't installing anything else... :P
[17:22] <vidd> * outside the /home directory
[17:23] <vidd> so 2gb minimum
[17:23] <vidd> ty
[17:24] <Odd-rationale> vidd: but i would NOT reccomend 2gb / !!
[17:24] <vidd> im figuring 3 gb
[17:24] <vidd> if 2gb is minimum
[17:24] <Odd-rationale> vidd: 2 gb is the barest minimum...
[17:25] <Odd-rationale> 10 is definately reccomended
[17:25] <vidd> but that is a quarter of the hard drive....
[17:25] <vidd> if i have a 160 gb hd, i could see that
[17:25] <Odd-rationale> vidd: but in anycase, you can always resize them later...
[17:26] <Odd-rationale> vidd: try starting out with 5gb, then. if you run out of space, then boot up the livecd and use gparted to resize the partitons.
[17:27] <vidd> i suppose i can reserve 5 gb
[17:28] <vidd> swap should be about twice the ram....right?
[17:28] <Odd-rationale> vidd: generally, yes
[17:29] <vidd> since i only have 256 ram, would setting swap to 1 gb make any noticable improvement?
[17:29] <Odd-rationale> no, not really...
[17:30] <vidd> *note to self...get more ram888
[17:30] <vidd> =]
[17:31] <Odd-rationale> vidd: if that is your specs, i would reccommend a cli install then add lxde
[17:31] <vidd> lxde?
[17:31] <vinnl> !lxde
[17:32] <Odd-rationale> http://lxde.org
[17:32] <xaer0> hello
[17:32] <Odd-rationale> !hi | xaer0
[17:33] <xaer0> well i bet we have some seasoned users in here
[17:33] <vidd> we do
[17:33] <xaer0> im having some problems... mainly my screensaver isnt activating. been using xubuntu since 6.04 BTW
[17:34] <vinnl> xaer0, which version are you using now?
[17:34] <vidd> how long has the screen saver had issues?
[17:34] <xaer0> im running 8.04 LTS, Compiz, Emerald, and Avant Windows Navagator..
[17:34] <vidd> ah....
[17:34] <xaer0> i also using Nvidia restricted drivers.. and nvidia-settings
[17:34] <vidd> do you have screen saver turned on in compiz?
[17:35] <vinnl> xaer0, what do you get if you run gnome-screensaver in a terminal?
[17:35] <xaer0> also i run Compiz-Icon to change on the fly. ive had problems with my Screensaver using every WM
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> xaer0: try running "gnome-screensaver-command -l"
[17:36] <vidd> so even in 6.04 you had screen saver issues?
[17:36] <xaer0> no
[17:36] <xaer0> just with this 8.04 LTS ive had problems with... this is a new install of Xubuntu.
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> 8.04 had some problems with gnome-screensaver autostarting...
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> i experienced the same...
[17:37] <vinnl> xaer0, can you run gnome-screensaver in a terminal window?
[17:37] <xaer0> ** (gnome-screensaver:8356): WARNING **: screensaver already running in this session
[17:37] <xaer0> ah...
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> xaer0: try running "gnome-screensaver-command -l"
[17:37] <xaer0> WTF?
[17:38] <xaer0> ya that "gnome-screensaver-command -l" works and i get a carrot
[17:38] <vidd> xaer0, do you by chance have multiple users logged on to that machine?
[17:39] <xaer0> vidd: how do i find that out?
[17:39] <vidd> in terminal type who
[17:40] <vidd> you should see two entries if only one user is logged in
[17:40] <xaer0> xaer0@xaer0:~$ who
[17:40] <xaer0> xaer0    tty7         2008-09-01 10:21 (:0)
[17:40] <xaer0> xaer0    pts/1        2008-09-01 11:37 (:0.0)
[17:40] <xaer0> \
[17:40] <vidd> so no...only one user
[17:41] <xaer0> seems so
[17:41] <vidd> did you have to install compiz after xubuntu?
[17:41] <vinnl> xaer0, might it be that you disabled it in gnome-screensaver-preferences?
[17:41] <xaer0> in system monitor i see gnome-screensaver ... sleeping
[17:42] <vidd> so kill it....
[17:42] <vidd> then call it in terminal
[17:42] <xaer0> ya did it
[17:43] <xaer0> well killed it and typed "gnome-screensaver" in terminal
[17:43] <vidd> now go into your settings and test it
[17:43] <xaer0> just use the preview button?
[17:43] <vidd> yes
[17:44] <xaer0> well that has always worked..
[17:45] <xaer0> the options i have is start screensaver in 5 min and the check is in the Idle option
[17:45] <vidd> ok...so what is the time-out set for?
[17:45] <vinnl> xaer0, and gnome-screensaver-command -l?
[17:45] <xaer0> well that command -l only gives me a ">" symbol
[17:45] <xaer0> waiting for other commands?
[17:46] <vidd> xaer0, go into your power management options in screensaver
[17:46] <vinnl> That's odd
[17:47] <xaer0> ya im in the Power Managemant.. Sleep is set to never and Display to Sleep is 30Mins
[17:47] <vidd> this a laptop or tower?
[17:47] <xaer0> PC
[17:47] <xaer0> well a tower
[17:48] <vidd> just want to make sure its not running on battery mode =]
[17:48] <vidd> next step would be to check compiz settings and tell compiz to use gnome-screensaver
[17:48] <xaer0> that would be bad..would of check that...
[17:49] <xaer0> ya i was thinking compiz would be the problem
[17:49] <vidd> it wont use battery mode because it has no battery....
[17:49] <vidd> it is something that only applies to lap/net tops
[17:49] <xaer0> were in compiz... do i tell it to use "gnome-screensaver"?
[17:50] <vidd> yes
[17:50] <xaer0> i mean were?
[17:50] <vidd> just dont ask me how =P
[17:50] <xaer0> were is compiz?
[17:51] <vidd> it should be in your settings manager....but i have never personally used ity
[17:51]  * vidd prefers his stuff to rn fast...not look pretty
[17:51] <xaer0> vidd: same here
[17:52] <xaer0> i dont use all those compiz options..
[17:52] <vidd> one of the compiz option is to disable the screensaver....
[17:53] <vidd> you want to make sure that it is set to whatever it should be to use gnome-screensaver
[17:53] <vidd> but again....i never installed compiz so i cannot be 100% positive
[17:54] <vinnl> Hmm, I've looked through Compiz's settings but I can't find it
[17:54] <xaer0> i think a lot of compiz stuff in useless
[17:54] <vinnl> I do can find the screenshot command, but no screensaver one
[17:54] <xaer0> ya vinnl
[17:54] <xaer0> i know
[17:54] <xaer0> vidd: i only use compiz for emerald...
[17:54] <xaer0> that isnt to taxing for xubuntu
[17:55] <vidd> have you tried to remove compiz (temporarily) to see if that is the issue?
[17:55] <Ben_Cs> why use compiz at all?!
[17:55] <vidd> emerald....
[17:55] <vinnl> Ben_Cs, there are some nice features :)
[17:55] <vidd> can you go into the settings for emerald?
[17:55] <vinnl> Ben_Cs, it's all subjective, no arguing about that :)
[17:55] <xaer0> i know emerald.. has no such commands for screensavers
[17:56] <vidd> yes it does....
[17:56] <vidd> i have used beryl
[17:56] <vidd> and with that there was definantly a screensaver option
[17:56] <vidd> its been over a year...but i do remember that
[17:56] <vinnl> vidd, I can't find it, they may have removed it
[17:56] <Ben_Cs> vinnl: i'm using compositor and that's more than enough :)
[17:57] <vinnl> Ben_Cs, people could also argue why use a compositor ;-)
[17:57] <xaer0> lol
[17:57] <xaer0> its like arguing between e17 and gnome
[17:57] <xaer0> its all personally preferance..
[17:57] <vinnl> xaer0, exactly! :)
[17:58] <vidd> xaer0, did you install compiz then nvidia driver or the other way around?
[17:58] <xaer0> i installed nv then compiz
[17:58] <vinnl> xaer0, nv? I thought that couldn't run compiz
[17:58] <xaer0> nv drivers :-P
[17:59] <xaer0> its no big deal.. if my screen saver is busted. it still goes in power managment mode
[17:59] <vinnl> Ya that's what I meant
[17:59] <vidd> have you tried to remove compiz to see if screensavers work?
[17:59] <xaer0> i dont want to have to go threw all of that again. no big deal
[18:00] <xaer0> i got my computer were i want it.. i hate having to do a redo
[18:00] <xaer0> ive done it like 4 times in the last 3 months.. other distros ive been working with
[18:02] <vidd> the live cd takes forever with 256 ram!
[18:02] <xaer0> from puppy, suse, fedora, goblin x, mandriva ... im done distro checking :-P the last one i may try maybe gOS
[18:03] <xaer0> ya i tried Xubuntu on a p3/350Mhz with 512MB ram... still slow as hell.
[18:04] <xaer0> ended up putting puppy linux 3 on it
[18:04] <vidd> xaer0, it will be fine once the install is done
[18:04] <vidd> the install is what takes forever!
[18:05] <xaer0> well i know about the install. after the install it still was slow
[18:05] <xaer0> well thanks for the help
[18:05] <xaer0> im off
[18:05] <vidd> have fun
[18:05] <vinnl> Bye, I'm off too
[18:05] <vidd> l8r vinnl
[18:07] <vidd> Odd-rationale, is lxde in the repos? or will i need to download and compile?
[18:38] <Odd-rationale> vidd: there is a repo for it. let me get it..
[18:44] <Odd-rationale> vidd: http://lxde.org/wiki/Ubuntu
[18:54] <vidd> Odd-rationale, you want to join #ubuntu-offtopic in case i need any help with this lxde install?
[19:13] <Odd-rationale> vidd: actually, you can /join #Odd-rationale
[19:44] <LoneShadow1> how do I restart X ? is it /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[19:44] <LoneShadow1> ?
[19:45] <crimsun> yes.
[19:45] <LoneShadow1> thanks
[19:45] <vidd> LoneShadow1, yes...also ctl+alt+backspace
[19:46] <LoneShadow1> something had fallen on the keyboard for a day, think the X is hosed, Its blank on the display, If I press any key, I just get beeps
[19:46] <LoneShadow1> I am logged in thru ssh, just tried gdm stop, didnt get rid of Xorg process :(
[19:47] <vidd> LoneShadow1, the tell it to reboot
[19:47] <vidd> LoneShadow1, sudo reboot
[19:47] <LoneShadow1> wow Kill -9 on the Xorg process is nasty :P, it froze my ssh
[19:47] <LoneShadow1> I was trying to avoid reboot
[19:49] <LoneShadow1> Xorg was taking 67% cpu cycles, after kill -9 its probably taking 100%
[19:50] <LoneShadow1> thanks anyway, will do a hard boot
[20:21] <RichardH> Hi, I'm having trouble booting hardy heron xubuntu on old hardware. After isolinux loads the kernel I get a blank screen with just the flashing cursor, and nothing else happens.
[20:22] <RichardH> I successfully installed ubuntu gutsy gibbon on the same machine yesterday, but gos 3 and mandriva spring have the same problem
[20:25] <RichardH> The hardware is: K6/2-400, 320MB RAM, Riva TNT, don't know what else is significant. The dvd and hard disk appear fine, running memtest+ just now
[20:44] <deakillo> hello
[20:44] <deakillo> can someone help me
[20:44] <Odd-rationale> !ask
[20:45] <deakillo> Odd-rationale: hello, you remember me? im the guy trying to design the desktop environment
[20:45] <Odd-rationale> deakillo: umm. no i don't remember you... :(
[20:46] <Odd-rationale> deakillo: what DE?
[20:46] <deakillo> Odd-rationale: i almost done, i just want to add a couple of more icons, almost every app work just with its name, i mean on the command
[20:46] <deakillo> but some does not
[20:46] <deakillo> Odd-rationale: xfce
[20:47] <Odd-rationale> deakillo: what are you trying to do?
[20:47] <deakillo> Odd-rationale: is there a way to know what commands are using every application?
[20:47] <deakillo> Odd-rationale: i want to add open office word
[20:47] <deakillo> and app-finder as well
[20:47] <Odd-rationale> try: which command
[20:47] <vinnl> deakillo, try using AppFinder for that :P
[20:47] <Odd-rationale> e.g. which terminal
[20:48] <deakillo> yeah when i try to add a program to the panel
[20:49] <deakillo> it ask me for the terminal command for that particular program
[20:49] <Odd-rationale> deakillo: also try this: "xprop | grep WM_CLASS" #
[20:49] <deakillo> and i dont now where to check that
[20:49] <Odd-rationale> This will present you with a crosshair with which you should click on the running program. In the terminal you will see a message like M_CLASS(STRING) = "konsole", "Konsole" from which you can determine the program is konsole.
[20:49] <Odd-rationale> #
[20:49] <deakillo> for amsn.. well it was amsn lol
[20:49] <deakillo> for pidgin.. was pidgin
[20:49] <deakillo> but not all work like this
[20:49] <Odd-rationale> deakillo: see above
[20:49] <Odd-rationale> "xprop | grep WM_CLASS"
[20:50] <Odd-rationale> then click on the app you want to know the command of
[20:52] <deakillo> ah
[20:52] <deakillo> thanks a lot this is very useful
[20:52] <Odd-rationale> it doesn't always give the correct command. but most of the time it will...
[21:00] <deakillo> for word processor
[21:00] <deakillo> i god this :S
[21:00] <deakillo> VCLSalFrame.DocumentWindow, OpenOffice.org 2.4
[21:00] <deakillo> lol
[21:01] <deakillo> its not working all together, or each one individual
[21:02] <Odd-rationale> deakillo: try: locate writer
[21:02] <Odd-rationale> or: locate soffice
[21:04] <deakillo> in the hidden files  you mean?
[21:04] <deakillo> in my home directory?
[21:05] <Odd-rationale> deakillo: in a terminal
[21:10] <deakillo> locate writer game me a lot of information
[21:10] <deakillo> i wonder which one i should use lol
[21:10] <Odd-rationale> i gtg. bl
[21:11] <vidd> deakillo, what do you plan to do with the writer?
[21:11] <deakillo> homework
[21:11] <deakillo> essays
[21:11] <vidd> o....k.....
[21:12] <vidd> mousepad (xubuntu equivilent to notepad) will most likely suffice for most of your needs
[21:12] <vidd> abiword will handle the rest
[21:13] <deakillo> yeah
[21:13] <deakillo> but i got all openoffice
[21:13] <deakillo> you never know
[21:13] <vidd> IIRC it can save in M& compatable formats
[21:13] <deakillo> i may need powerpoint
[21:13] <vidd> with open office, you cant go wrong
[21:14] <deakillo> why?
[21:14] <deakillo> ahh
[21:14] <deakillo> yeah
[21:14] <deakillo> i know
[21:14] <vidd> but...why load all the bloat if you dont ned it
[21:14] <deakillo> i use writer regularity
[21:15] <deakillo> not the others, but i want writer in my panel
[21:15] <vidd> for ulta-light stuff....i just nano [what im going to name the document] and type
[21:15] <vidd> cntr+x to save
[21:16] <vidd> nano is a cli text editor
[21:17] <vinnl> Magnetized needle and a steady hand ftw!
[21:17] <vidd> vinnl, lol
[21:18] <deakillo> brb im going to restart
[21:18] <vinnl> http://xkcd.com/378/ :)
[21:50] <deakillo> hello
[21:50] <deakillo> again
[21:51] <deakillo> i want to try some mouse themes.. do i need to download them on .themes?
[21:51] <deakillo> or where?
[21:51] <vidd> ummmm....
[21:51] <vidd> mouse themes?
[21:51] <deakillo> yeah
[21:51] <vinnl> deakillo, wait, I wrote it up somewhere
[21:51] <deakillo> ok
[21:51] <vinnl> deakillo, to ~/.icons
[21:52] <vinnl> deakillo, see http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44-part-2/
[21:52] <vinnl> (Scroll down to Cursor theme)
[21:54] <deakillo> thx
[21:54] <deakillo> good site
[21:54] <vinnl> Thanks, it's mine ;-)
[21:54] <deakillo> cool
[21:55] <deakillo> your desktop looks like that?
[21:55] <vinnl> No, I just did that for fun, it's in another account :)
[21:55] <vinnl> (I also created one to resemble Windows Vista)
[21:55] <deakillo> mines is looking
[21:56] <deakillo> like e17* but i change my mind about the bling bling lol
[21:56] <deakillo> so its the same but instead of bling bling all black
[22:39] <Mr_Fixit> wakey wakey fuggers
[22:39] <Mr_Fixit> just kidding geez don't everyone jump the gun all at once..
[22:41] <vidd> sorry Mr_Fixit i dont have "boot" powers...otherwise i would have responded immediately
[22:41] <vidd> =]
[22:41]  * vinnl awake :P
[22:42] <Mr_Fixit> lol
[22:42] <Mr_Fixit> i really screwed me lappy up lol
[22:42] <vidd> so what issue you have?
[22:42] <Mr_Fixit> well i went from 6.06 to 8.04..
[22:42] <vidd> ok
[22:43] <Mr_Fixit> and now my display is wrong res, i can't use any network device and still no sound
[22:43] <vidd> did it all work on 6.06?
[22:44] <Mr_Fixit> well not really... the display was right... the network cards only worked in short bursts and no sound
[22:44] <vidd> well, sound is easy....
[22:44] <vidd> add the volume controler to your panel....
[22:44] <Mr_Fixit> how?
[22:44] <vidd> right-click to select the device,
[22:45] <Mr_Fixit> i can't even see the right side of my desktop..
[22:45] <Mr_Fixit> or the bottom
[22:45] <vidd> right click on the panel
[22:45] <vidd> same way you add any panel app
[22:45] <vinnl> Mr_Fixit, ah, I had that problem too
[22:45] <vidd> vinnl, can you get his display right/ i can then help with sound
[22:46] <Mr_Fixit> llol team effort lol..
[22:46] <vinnl> Hehe
[22:46] <vinnl> Mr_Fixit, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/242611 , see the comment by Sebastien
[22:46] <vinnl> That's what solved it for me
[22:46] <Mr_Fixit> yea i can't even see the app i just added..
[22:46] <vidd> you wouldnt like my "fix"
[22:46] <vinnl> Hmm, that did apply just to GDM though
[22:47] <Mr_Fixit> what's gdm?
[22:47] <vidd> Gnome Desktop Manager
[22:47] <vinnl> The application that handles the login screen
[22:47] <vinnl> !gdm
[22:47] <vinnl> Too bad
[22:47] <Mr_Fixit> oh but i'm using xfce
[22:47] <vinnl> Mr_Fixit, Xubuntu uses it too
[22:47] <vidd> which in turn uses gdm
[22:47] <Mr_Fixit> okies..
[22:47] <vinnl> I only had that problem in the login screen, so...
[22:48] <vidd> vinnl, gdm is more then just the login screen?
[22:48] <vinnl> vidd, Xfce doesn't, Xubuntu does ;-)
[22:48] <vinnl> vidd, yeah, but it "handles the login screen"
[22:48] <vinnl> At least, I think it does more
[22:49] <vidd> since etc/init.d/gdm restart stops and restarts the whole desktop, i would have to say it is what the destop runs on
[22:49] <vidd> but anyway....=]
[22:51] <Mr_Fixit> i don't seem to have that line that they recomomend commenting??
[22:51] <Mr_Fixit> in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf right?
[22:52] <vinnl> Mr_Fixit, yes
[22:52] <vinnl> It might be a different problem
[22:52] <vinnl> Have you set the correct resolution at installation?
[22:52] <Mr_Fixit> was no option for it..
[22:53] <vinnl> !display
[22:53] <vinnl> Perhaps that last link works
[22:53] <vinnl> *helps
[22:53]  * Mr_Fixit tires
[22:53] <Mr_Fixit> *tries even lol
[22:54] <vidd> was going to say....get some coffee!
[22:54] <vidd> =]
[22:54] <vidd> wakes me up
[22:54] <Mr_Fixit> i smoke grass lol
[22:54] <Mr_Fixit> keeps me sane..
[22:55] <vidd> you souldn't smoke cow-food
[22:55] <vidd> they will get mad and break your apt
[22:55] <vidd> =]
[22:55] <vinnl> xD
[22:56] <Mr_Fixit> lol..
[22:56] <Mr_Fixit> i'll share
[22:56] <vidd> dont matter....everyone knows apt has super-cow powers
[22:57] <vinnl> ...it's a lesser-known fact that cows have super-apt powers
[22:57] <vinnl> sudo apt-get install milk
[22:57] <vidd> just type "apt-get moo
[22:58]  * Mr_Fixit tries the line
[22:58] <Mr_Fixit> lol
[23:00] <vidd> smoke break
[23:01]  * Mr_Fixit shoves the rest of his pack in his mouth and lights up
[23:09] <vidd> so your desktop fixed yet?
[23:09] <Mr_Fixit> nope..
[23:09] <Mr_Fixit> just restarting to see but i don't think so yet..
[23:10] <Mr_Fixit> nope
[23:10] <Mr_Fixit> trying other options lol
[23:12] <vidd> what is the app that enables sound?
[23:12] <vinnl> alsamixer?
[23:13] <vidd> alsa-utils
[23:13] <vidd> but thanks for pointing me to the right place
[23:13] <vinnl> :)
[23:14] <Mr_Fixit> <-- throws out his old xorg.conf and does the right one lol
[23:19] <Mr_Fixit> oh yea// should change my name to Mr_Linux_Master lol
[23:19] <vidd> sound dont work on this laptop im working on....
[23:19] <vidd> so your display working now?
[23:19] <Mr_Fixit> it's much much better... poor graphics but right size
[23:20] <vinnl> \o/
[23:20] <vidd> sounds like wrong driver
[23:20] <Mr_Fixit> wait.. i just botched it up lol
[23:20] <Mr_Fixit> brb again lol..
[23:21] <Mr_Fixit> actually.. i'll keep it for now...
[23:21] <Mr_Fixit> it's 800x600
[23:21] <deakillo> hello
[23:21] <Mr_Fixit> hey deakillo
[23:22] <vidd> ok Mr_Fixit
[23:22] <vidd> now on to sound....
[23:22] <vidd> you know how to add a panel app?
[23:22] <deakillo> hello
[23:22] <deakillo> i want to use a silver mouse theme that i just download from xfce-look
[23:22] <deakillo> website
[23:23] <deakillo> and some guy told me i need to download that on .icons
[23:23] <deakillo> but is not working this way
[23:23] <vidd> \0, deakillo
[23:23]  * vinnl :P
[23:24] <Mr_Fixit> the sound panel app for sound is there
[23:24] <vidd> right-click and choose "properties"
[23:24] <vidd> choose #0 [whatever]
[23:25] <Mr_Fixit> okies
[23:25] <vidd> press "ok"
[23:25] <vidd> LEFT-click the icon
[23:25] <Mr_Fixit> yup
[23:26] <deakillo> vidd: whats \O
[23:26] <deakillo> ?
[23:26] <vidd> max out "Master", "Master Mono" and "PCM"
[23:26] <vidd> deakillo, its *wave*
[23:26] <Mr_Fixit> yea.. and turned up pc speakers..
[23:27] <Mr_Fixit> and external amp is on
[23:27] <deakillo> vidd: what you mean?
[23:27] <vidd> deakillo, it is a greeting of salutations
[23:27] <deakillo> oh ok
[23:27] <deakillo> so any ideas?
[23:28] <deakillo> i want to use new mouse theme
[23:28] <vidd> you said "hello", i said "\0,"
[23:28] <deakillo> hehehee
[23:28] <deakillo> ok
[23:28] <vidd> deakillo, not my area of expertise
[23:28] <vidd> Mr_Fixit, i thought you said it was a laptop
[23:29] <Mr_Fixit> yes
[23:29] <vidd> unplug the junk from the speaker jack....it work now?
[23:29] <Mr_Fixit> it never worked lol
[23:29] <Mr_Fixit> no junk anywhere..
[23:29] <Mr_Fixit> no plug ins
[23:30] <vidd> not even in [whatever was there before linuz]?
[23:30] <Mr_Fixit> there was sound in xp yea..
[23:31] <vidd> its not a toshiba by chance?
[23:32] <Mr_Fixit> sh|t i got it lol....
[23:32] <Mr_Fixit> lol had to turn off external amp
[23:32] <vidd> well....yeah
[23:32] <Mr_Fixit> lol..
[23:32] <Mr_Fixit> well news to me lol..
[23:33] <vidd> i should have explained better
[23:33] <Mr_Fixit> so now i got the sound and the screen all i need is a network connection that doesn't burst for 3 seconds and shut off
[23:33] <vidd> wifi or lan?
[23:33] <Mr_Fixit> either.. both did it..
[23:33] <Mr_Fixit> and it's not the network..
[23:34] <vidd> set static IP for your wifi
[23:34] <vidd> preferable outside the router's dhcp range
[23:35] <Mr_Fixit> what you mean by that?
[23:35] <vidd> if you have a standard wifi router with an ip gateway address of 1.1....
[23:36] <vidd> dhcp is usually in the range of 1.101-1.150
[23:36] <vidd> set your static ip to something like 1.10
[23:36] <Mr_Fixit> i don't even have the option to edit a wlan0
[23:36] <vidd> ....
[23:36] <Mr_Fixit> or my eth0 for that matter..
[23:37] <vidd> you should
[23:37] <Mr_Fixit> should lol yup
[23:37] <Mr_Fixit> i'm going to teminal one sec..
[23:37] <vidd> left-click on network icon....
[23:37] <vidd> choose "Manual configuration"
[23:38] <vidd> click "unlock"
[23:38] <vidd> click interface
[23:38] <vidd> click "properties"
[23:38] <Mr_Fixit> on the connections tab i get 2 options.. wired and point to point..
[23:38] <vidd> set the interface properties
[23:39] <Mr_Fixit> yea it won't let me do that
[23:39] <Mr_Fixit> oh n/m
[23:39] <Mr_Fixit> i unchecked the enable roaming
[23:39] <vinnl> I'm off, later
[23:39] <vidd> later vinnl
[23:39] <Mr_Fixit> ty vinnl
[23:39] <Mr_Fixit> cyaz
[23:41] <Mr_Fixit> yea ok i set that up..
[23:41] <Mr_Fixit> still no connection though..
[23:41] <vidd> what does lspci say your lan is
[23:42] <vidd> and what is your gateway IP?
[23:42] <Mr_Fixit> 192.168.1.1
[23:43] <Mr_Fixit> and i set the staic to  10
[23:43] <vidd> can you ping it?
[23:43] <Mr_Fixit> *static
[23:43] <Mr_Fixit> nope
[23:43] <Mr_Fixit> you want the lspci?
[23:43] <vidd> do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[23:44] <vidd> not just yet
[23:44] <Mr_Fixit> no such process
[23:45] <Mr_Fixit> http://pastebin.com/m49da390c <--lspci
[23:46] <Mr_Fixit> i think that was from fluxbuntu though if it makes a difference
[23:46] <Odd-rationale> Mr_Fixit: are you trying to do wireless? or wired?
[23:46] <Mr_Fixit> both..
[23:46] <Mr_Fixit> ideally wireless
[23:47] <vidd> your wifi should work out of the box
[23:47] <Odd-rationale> Mr_Fixit: are you on fluxbuntu? or xubuntu?
[23:47] <Mr_Fixit> xubuntu now... but the lspci was from the flux
[23:47] <Mr_Fixit> and no wifi outta the box lol
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> Mr_Fixit: when you run iwconfig, which devices are listed?
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> lo, eth0, ?
[23:48] <vidd> the rtl 8185 is a supported wifi card
[23:48] <Mr_Fixit> lmao none
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> Mr_Fixit: iwconfig? not ifconfig
[23:48] <Mr_Fixit> yup.. no wireless extensions in iwconfig
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> no, which devices are listed?
[23:49] <Mr_Fixit> ifconfig sees the card i think..
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> it will say like: lo   no wireless extensions
[23:49] <Mr_Fixit> it says lo and eth0 but no wireless extensions
[23:50] <Odd-rationale> Mr_Fixit: ok. so just lo and eth0? no eth1 or wlan0?
[23:50] <Mr_Fixit> nope
[23:50] <vidd> i bet his wifi card is blacklisted
[23:51] <Mr_Fixit> it worked on 6.06.. but only in bursts...
[23:51] <Mr_Fixit> and bth wired and wireless only in bursts
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> Mr_Fixit: would it be possible to pastebin your /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file?
[23:54] <Mr_Fixit> it'll be a pain in the arse but yea.. let me go get my usb..
[23:54] <Mr_Fixit> hopefully that works lol
[23:59] <Mr_Fixit> http://pastebin.com/m5830a569
[23:59] <Mr_Fixit> wasn't so bad lol