| yuriy | hmm amarok nightly won't play mp3s anymore | 00:38 |
|---|---|---|
| apachelogger | unlikely | 00:39 |
| ryanakca | Nice to finally have a working X if not yet a properly working KDE4... | 00:39 |
| blizzz | em, it actually can play something? | 00:39 |
| yuriy | that is, phonon claims not to be able to play mp3's | 00:39 |
| yuriy | if I go to the audo configuration, there seems to be no backend | 00:39 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: not yet porperly working KDE4? | 00:39 |
| apachelogger | *evil look* | 00:39 |
| apachelogger | yuriy: maybe phonon-xine is broken | 00:40 |
| apachelogger | yuriy: actually is amarok-nightly-kdebase installed at all? | 00:40 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: well, it logs in, but it is *excessively* slow. And it seems to ignore the ``mv ~/.kde ~/.kde3-old && cp -fra ~/.kde4 ~/kde'' I did before logging in | 00:41 |
| apachelogger | well | 00:42 |
| apachelogger | moving .kde4 to kde certainly ain't gonna work very well | 00:42 |
| yuriy | apachelogger: it was, but amarok-nightly-kdebase-runtime wasn't for some reason. anyways, I've installed the beta (amarok-kde4) now instead | 00:42 |
| apachelogger | yuriy: -runtime is a transition package | 00:42 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: no? I thought Intrepid's KDE4 used ~/.kde ... | 00:42 |
| apachelogger | cp -fra ~/.kde4 ~/kde | 00:42 |
| apachelogger | take a close look | 00:43 |
| apachelogger | I tend to think the ~/kde is dotless | 00:43 |
| ryanakca | sorry, ~/.kde | 00:44 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| seele | hmm.. did we decide that konqueror wouldn't have icons only, not icons + text, or is the default messed up? | 02:01 |
| seele | it looks like all the apps are getting configured with the global setting except for konq | 02:01 |
| vorian | nixternal: ping | 02:01 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: ping | 02:08 |
| jjesse | i'm trying to track down how i got synaptic on my intrepid install, did it come w/ firefox? | 02:26 |
| JontheEchidna | probably | 02:26 |
| JontheEchidna | it needs it for whatever it does to install flash | 02:26 |
| JontheEchidna | with ubufox | 02:26 |
| jjesse | so it's conflicting now for add/remove programs in the application launcher when i type in add | 02:26 |
| jjesse | up pops synaptic | 02:26 |
| jjesse | JontheEchidna: i think that is correct | 02:27 |
| * Jucato confirms it :) | 02:27 | |
| jjesse | is there a way to make it use adept/adept batch instead? | 02:27 |
| JontheEchidna | make a kubufox? | 02:27 |
| yuriy | wait for a decent webkit browser, then add a conflicts: firefox to kubuntu-desktop? :P | 02:28 |
| jjesse | is there then a way to make adept add/remove programs "higher priority" in search | 02:28 |
| ScottK | smarter: kleopatra is in Universe. It either needs to be promoted to Main or dropped to Suggests (it was suggests in KDE3). | 02:43 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell, Hobbsee, nixternal, ScottK, any core-dev at all: http://aplg.kollide.net/.123123/fix/ | 03:24 |
| * ScottK looks | 03:25 | |
| JontheEchidna | [22:23:27] <apachelogger> Riddell, JontheEchidna, smarter, vorian: http://aplg.kollide.net/.123123/fix/ please find a sponsor (sanity checking is very welcome, but these version have to be in alpha5 and for that matter get in ASAP) | 03:25 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger accidentally switched out the 4.1.1 with the 4.1.0 tarballs in the ones Riddell uploaded a few hours ago | 03:26 |
| ScottK | Didn't most of the get uploaded already? | 03:26 |
| ScottK | Ay | 03:26 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 03:26 |
| ScottK | Did the tarball claim to be 4.1.1 or did it claim to be 4.1.9? | 03:27 |
| digistyl3 | testers for kgrubeditor? | 03:43 |
| digistyl3 | you want to include it in intrepid? | 03:44 |
| digistyl3 | :D | 03:44 |
| digistyl3 | anyone online? | 03:44 |
| JontheEchidna | most of europe is asleep right now ;-) | 03:45 |
| * JontheEchidna is in the US | 03:45 | |
| digistyl3 | i'm europe | 03:46 |
| digistyl3 | ;D | 03:46 |
| digistyl3 | i couldn't sleep | 03:46 |
| digistyl3 | i would like to help test kgrubeditor | 03:46 |
| digistyl3 | :) | 03:46 |
| JontheEchidna | well, the latest version is in Intrepid | 03:46 |
| * seele wonders if people who have never seen the desktop plasma widget will know what it is | 03:47 | |
| seele | especially if they have no files in ~/Desktop/ | 03:47 |
| seele | er, Folder plasma widget | 03:48 |
| JontheEchidna | it would be nice if it would go away if desktop was empty | 03:48 |
| seele | no, because then no one would be able to discover it can be configured for any folder, it's not just the "Desktop" | 03:48 |
| JontheEchidna | good point | 03:48 |
| seele | it would be more useful if it were linked to ~ or Documents | 03:48 |
| seele | but we also have old user vs. new user issues | 03:49 |
| digistyl3 | JontheEchidna: i have to repartition my hard to install intrepid, and i can't use virtualization, because i have only 768 mb of ram, and a sempron processor, but will install intrepid in the morning i suppose :) | 03:49 |
| digistyl3 | btw, when's the newest alpha coming out? | 03:49 |
| JontheEchidna | in a few days | 03:49 |
| seele | older users who upgrade will likely have something in Desktop. fresh installs and new users will not | 03:49 |
| JontheEchidna | digistyl3: there are also packages in the kde4 ppa I think | 03:49 |
| digistyl3 | JontheEchidna: is it 0.8-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 ? | 03:50 |
| JontheEchidna | might not be up to date though | 03:50 |
| JontheEchidna | latest vesion is 0.8.1 in Intrepid | 03:50 |
| goatsocks | kgrubeditor seems to work fine here, but has a couple of UI inconsistencies vis a vis other systemsettings applets | 03:51 |
| seele | hmm.. i was thinking about misusing the bug system and creating a ticket for people to say theyve tested kgrubeditor | 03:52 |
| seele | goatsocks: mind submitting a bug to launchpad so i can check the ui issues out? | 03:52 |
| * JontheEchidna passes out | 03:53 | |
| digistyl3 | does anyone know about a python guide for programmers? (for someone who knows c++ and some qt) | 03:53 |
| goatsocks | seele: sure, i'll ping you when i'm done | 03:53 |
| digistyl3 | any suggestions please? | 03:58 |
| digistyl3 | don't want to go through all the basic stuff (what is a variable... what is a function) cause i know pascal and c++ :) | 03:59 |
| yuriy | digistyl3: look at the tutorial on the python website. you'll need to skip over some stuff, but it's a good primer and reference | 04:00 |
| ScottK | digistyl3: Python in a Nutshell might suite you, although it may be short on examples for you. | 04:00 |
| ScottK | yuriy: I've got a bug day idea for you. | 04:00 |
| yuriy | me too, to find a day for bugs | 04:00 |
| digistyl3 | yuriy: this one? http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html | 04:00 |
| ScottK | yuriy: What about a triage day devoted to finding bugs fixed in KDE3.5.10 to help make the case for pushing it to updates? | 04:00 |
| yuriy | digistyl3: yes | 04:01 |
| digistyl3 | ok, will eat my way through the tutorials, thanks :) | 04:01 |
| yuriy | ScottK: it's in backports now? | 04:01 |
| digistyl3 | using qt with python seems to be easier than with c++ | 04:01 |
| yuriy | ScottK: could be a good idea. I could set up a page in the course of this week and do it next tuesday? | 04:02 |
| ScottK | yuriy: Yes. | 04:02 |
| yuriy | ScottK: a tag or something since there's no obvious way to express it | 04:02 |
| ScottK | Sounds good. | 04:03 |
| ScottK | yuriy: Bug 261840 is my tracking bug for the good, the bad, and the ugly on 3.5.10 | 04:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 261840 in ubuntu "Please pocket copy KDE 3.5.10 from hardy-backports to hardy-updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261840 | 04:03 |
| digistyl3 | it would be great if LP had something called "missions" | 04:04 |
| digistyl3 | a "mission" would have packages assigned to it | 04:05 |
| digistyl3 | people assigned to it | 04:05 |
| digistyl3 | status, etc :) | 04:05 |
| === seele changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Testers needed for KGrubEditor - If tested post comment on https://launchpad.net/bugs/263827 | ||
| yuriy | ScottK: the systray not using two rows would really bother me | 04:05 |
| ScottK | Well awen says it's fixable, I haven't had a chance to look yet. | 04:06 |
| yuriy | you used kde3.5.10 for regressions? | 04:06 |
| ScottK | I'm not sure I understand the question? | 04:12 |
| yuriy | the tag | 04:12 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 04:13 |
| ScottK | I used it for anything 3.5.10 related. | 04:13 |
| ScottK | I think it could be for fixes too. | 04:13 |
| yuriy | so just use that one for this? | 04:13 |
| ScottK | It's just that regressions is all I have so far. | 04:13 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 04:13 |
| ScottK | I think it'll be nice to have a bug day that is for people who don't run the development release. | 04:16 |
| === lamont` is now known as lamont | ||
| goatsocks | seem to have a piece of kitty litter stuck under my keyboard, shorting it and locking up X :/ | 04:45 |
| ScottK | nixternal: You up and sober? | 05:39 |
| goatsocks | seele: ok added my kgrubeditor comment and screenshot | 06:50 |
| ScottK | smarter: I took care of moving kleopatra back to suggests when I re-uploaded all of kde4 just now. | 07:28 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: pong | 09:37 |
| larsivi | hola | 09:42 |
| larsivi | I am trying to use kde 4.1, but it still fails to heed my xorg settings | 09:42 |
| larsivi | they are correct in system settings | 09:43 |
| larsivi | kde consider my laptop screen as primary, whereas it is the external one that is | 09:43 |
| larsivi | thus I get my panel in the middle of the screen | 09:44 |
| smarter | larsivi: have you tried krandrtray? | 09:45 |
| larsivi | smarter: not that I know | 09:45 |
| larsivi | smarter: do I install it from apt_ | 09:45 |
| smarter | it should already be installed | 09:46 |
| larsivi | gah, it took my keyboard settings too | 09:46 |
| smarter | it's in kdebase-workspace-bin if it's not already installed | 09:46 |
| larsivi | it only gives me system settings | 09:48 |
| larsivi | afaics | 09:48 |
| larsivi | the problem is quite obviously that the panel is looking at the wrong screen to figure out what size it can be | 09:49 |
| larsivi | this was a problem with the 3.5 panel back when xrandr 1.2 and friends were originally introduced too, but that has long since been fixed | 09:49 |
| larsivi | note that I have no problems using the rest of the desktop | 09:50 |
| larsivi | ah, completely removing the panel fixes the size it seems, but now I have to readd the stuff on it ... | 09:50 |
| larsivi | ok, thanks, lets see if this works | 09:56 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: yuriy: I had people complain about not having a backend yesterday in #amarok | 10:16 |
| larsivi | hi again :) I try to get kopete kde4 working, but it won't pick up qca-tls | 10:26 |
| larsivi | hmm, I think this is present in kde3 too - any global shortcut involving just Alt (like Alt+F1/F2 for krunner) doesn't work | 11:03 |
| larsivi | Ctrl+Alt+something works | 11:03 |
| ScottK | kdebase-workspace FTBFS on i386. I'm about to upload a fix. | 11:30 |
| ScottK | uploaded. | 11:35 |
| \sh | kdelibs5 4:4.1.1+really4.1.1-0ubuntu1 <- what is this for a version number? ,-) | 12:50 |
| JontheEchidna | \sh: apachelogger accidentally uploaded kde4libs with the 4.1.0 tarball | 12:51 |
| \sh | oh knows | 12:51 |
| \sh | aehm | 12:51 |
| JontheEchidna | yes, ScottK saved our skins | 12:51 |
| \sh | oh nos ;) | 12:51 |
| JontheEchidna | and uploaded the fixed last night | 12:51 |
| ScottK | \sh: How's your C++? Would you perhaps be able to look at the build failure log for kdepimlibs on AMD64 and make sense of what's wrong? | 13:06 |
| \sh | ScottK: buildlog? | 13:14 |
| ScottK | \sh: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.1.1-0ubuntu2/+build/706343 | 13:14 |
| * ScottK goes off to take the youngest out to the school bus. | 13:15 | |
| \sh | its da cmake | 13:15 |
| ScottK | Maybe you can conspire with apachelogger and figure it out while I'm out at the bus. | 13:16 |
| apachelogger | I asked in #cmake | 13:16 |
| apachelogger | no answer so far | 13:16 |
| \sh | http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t501836-how-do-i-use-stdoutofrange-.html | 13:17 |
| \sh | ScottK: src pkg is on archive? | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | \sh: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs | 13:18 |
| smarter | I'm already building it | 13:18 |
| smarter | cmake doesn't fail here | 13:20 |
| smarter | apachelogger: ^ | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | wth | 13:21 |
| \sh | smarter: pbuilder or sbuild? | 13:21 |
| smarter | pbuilder | 13:21 |
| \sh | smarter: you have the special sbuild packages installed ? | 13:21 |
| smarter | I don't think so? | 13:22 |
| \sh | i mean the add packages for the buildserver | 13:22 |
| \sh | I'll build it with sbuild now | 13:22 |
| smarter | no idea what it is :p | 13:22 |
| smarter | okay | 13:22 |
| \sh | but on my sbuild it doesn't fail too | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | now I am worried | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | \sh: could it have been a temporary issue? | 13:26 |
| smarter | yeah for random bugs | 13:27 |
| \sh | apachelogger: I'm asking on #u-d | 13:27 |
| \sh | apachelogger: btw...can you rebuild via lp mouseclick? ,-) | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | kdepimlibs is in main | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: still around? | 13:28 |
| ScottK | I'll just retry it then. | 13:28 |
| \sh | ScottK: tbh, it looks like a borked buildd ... | 13:28 |
| ScottK | OK. Just retried it. We'll see. | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | oh, canonical increased the amount of ppa builders | 13:32 |
| apachelogger | ScottK, \sh: https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/yellow | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | 11% | 13:40 |
| ScottK | Looks like it's past where it failed before. | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | so it was a temporary issue | 13:40 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 13:40 |
| * ScottK was sitting here wishing he could tail -f that. | 13:40 | |
| ScottK | \sh: Thanks for the help. | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: Konqueror with autorefresh on the buildd's web page is almost as good. | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | 33% now | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: Thanks again for the sponsoring :) | 13:42 |
| \sh | ScottK: looks like it works now ,-) | 13:43 |
| ScottK | I'm currently working on lpia. Most of it FTBFS because sbuild fails the build instead of depwaiting when a build dep is uninstallable. | 13:43 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 13:43 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: ping when you log on | 13:50 |
| apachelogger | seele: I doubt that he will see that, considering he is not online. | 13:51 |
| seele | apachelogger: usually he checks logs before he logs on, otherwise you're right :P | 13:57 |
| apachelogger | ah :) | 13:58 |
| \sh | ScottK: when building for backports, are the backports pocket used for building the backports? | 14:03 |
| ScottK | Yes | 14:04 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| nixternal | good morning! how was everyone's weekend? | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | pretty ok | 15:01 |
| Jucato | I forgot what happened this weekend | 15:01 |
| Jucato | but last weekend was a blast :) | 15:02 |
| hdevalence | smarter: ping | 15:26 |
| smarter | pong | 15:26 |
| asfak | Kgrubeditor after last update on alpha4 crashes after start. I am asked to enter password and whoops, it disappears. THis was not the case last week. let me update today again | 15:26 |
| hdevalence | smarter: I've been told you do the guidance-power-manager? | 15:27 |
| smarter | hdevalence: I've done the packaging if that's what you mean | 15:27 |
| seele | asfak: see bug 262035 | 15:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 262035 in kgrubeditor "Kgrubeditor crashes after entering root-password" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262035 | 15:27 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, just the packaging... | 15:28 |
| hdevalence | smarter: it has a bug and I'm going to make a patch. I have a KDE SVN account but it might be more polite to talk to the maintainer first | 15:28 |
| asfak | yes, that's exactly what is happening | 15:29 |
| smarter | hdevalence: I'm not sure myself who the maintainer is ;) I think Riddell worked on it | 15:29 |
| seele | asfak: the update hasn't been pushed yet afaik | 15:30 |
| asfak | ok, I will wait for the update.... | 15:31 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Hi. | 15:46 |
| Riddell | hi mornfall | 15:46 |
| mornfall | I have 2 regression fixes on Adept 3, is there anything else that should go to beta2? I'd probably release this week. | 15:47 |
| mornfall | (I have signature validation on the list as well.) | 15:47 |
| Riddell | mornfall: the upgrader not marking anything for upgrade is the main issue I've noticed | 15:47 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Yes, that's fixed. | 15:48 |
| mornfall | The other is that read-only mode broke. Fixed too. | 15:48 |
| Riddell | mornfall: the app icons are missing, system-software-update seems a suitable choice from oxygen | 15:49 |
| mornfall | Ah, right, app icons. | 15:50 |
| mornfall | So saying icon=system-software-update and such in .desktop would fix that, right? | 15:50 |
| mornfall | Icon* | 15:50 |
| Riddell | yep | 15:50 |
| mornfall | Good, I'll add that to TODO. | 15:50 |
| Riddell | super | 15:50 |
| === Czessi__ is now known as Czessi | ||
| jussi01 | Riddell: ping! | 16:28 |
| Riddell | hi jussi01 | 16:28 |
| jussi01 | heya Riddell, did you notice my PM from last night? | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please trigger a retry of kdebase kdenetwork and kdeutils on amd64 | 16:38 |
| seaLne | should hardy->intrepid currently work? | 16:45 |
| Riddell | seaLne: it should yes | 17:02 |
| Riddell | actual upgrade tests welcome | 17:02 |
| seaLne | The upgrade needs a total of 201M free space on disk '/boot' | 17:03 |
| seaLne | aptitude wanted to remove kde, update-manager gives that error. wtf it wants to install that much in /boot i don't know | 17:05 |
| seaLne | my /boot is only 200M :( | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | hm | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | now seriously, this is getting weird | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please retry these 3 again | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | libplasma-dev: Depends: libplasma2 (= 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu9) but it is not going to be installed | 17:25 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: done | 17:33 |
| Riddell | seaLne: nothing in there you can clean? | 17:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: are there any rumours about konqueror not quitting on kde-packager? | 17:42 |
| Riddell | nope | 17:44 |
| seaLne | Riddell: it can't possibly actually need to install 200M for a kernel | 17:46 |
| Riddell | seaLne: wouldnt't think so, I'm using 35 megs and I have two installed | 17:50 |
| Riddell | might be worth filing a bug on update-manager | 17:50 |
| seaLne | yeah | 17:51 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I really don't get why base, network and utils don't want to build, please take a look at it | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.1.1-0ubuntu3/+build/706622 | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | the new libplasma-dev should be avaialble for > 1 hour | 17:53 |
| Riddell | "Built successfully" | 17:54 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/4:4.1.1-0ubuntu2/+build/706350 | 17:55 |
| Riddell | have patience, soyuz will catch up with itself eventually | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: hope so :S | 17:59 |
| seaLne | upgrade fail: http://paste.ubuntu.com/42764/ | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | oh | 18:01 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: Artemis_Fowl is here | 18:01 |
| seaLne | this the change to 4 as kde i presume? | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | seaLne: you should better wait until kdepim is built | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | we fixed the kdepim upgrade bugs in 4.1.1 | 18:02 |
| seaLne | ah | 18:02 |
| Riddell | seaLne: what are you using to upgrade? | 18:02 |
| seaLne | likely to be done by tommorow morning? | 18:03 |
| seaLne | apt-get | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | seaLne: most likely and I suggest using update-manager for series upgrades | 18:04 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: hi | 18:05 |
| seaLne | see my earlier problem with u-m | 18:05 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: did you catch my ping in the logs? | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | oh, right | 18:05 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: uhm no. let me check them | 18:06 |
| seele | ah, i just said "ping" | 18:06 |
| seele | since you sometimes check logs | 18:06 |
| Artemis_Fowl | ok | 18:06 |
| seele | so like i said, i created a qa bug to help keep track of how many people test kgrubeditor, otherwise we wont know how many people actually use it unless they report a bug | 18:07 |
| Artemis_Fowl | btw Kon/Con is shorter than Konstantinos | 18:07 |
| seele | hehe ok :) | 18:08 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: i'm subsscribed to all bugs | 18:08 |
| seele | right, i figured you were, i wasnt sure if i explained why i did it though | 18:08 |
| Artemis_Fowl | I read them all but I found no time to reply | 18:08 |
| Artemis_Fowl | replyinh right now | 18:08 |
| Artemis_Fowl | replying* | 18:08 |
| seele | what did you think of relabelling the OS list to GRUB Boot List instead of using "operating system" | 18:08 |
| claydoh | seele: replying as well, once i grab screenshots | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: got time for some removals? | 18:08 |
| seele | claydoh: great | 18:09 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: mibby | 18:12 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: phone call, back in about 30 minutes | 18:13 |
| Artemis_Fowl | k | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: qgrubeditor needs to go (superseded by kgrubeditor), kopete-otr (included in official kopete), kiconedit-kde4 (dropped -kde4), kgrab-kde4 (dropped -kde4), kio-opt (you only removed the binary but not the source some time ago), kde-systemsettings (superseded by systemsettings), meta-kde4 (meat-kde should changed to use the kde4 packages) | 18:16 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: I think GRUB Boot List is indeed better. Should I rename it? | 18:25 |
| asfak | i cannot access my window drives (though i can see them) as a users. But if i run dolphin as a root, i can access them. I know it's permission problem. Can anyone help me how to set permision in such a way that from now on whenever i boot to kubuntu intrepid, i can access windows drive without any hassles. I never had any problem in Ubuntu. There was never such permission problem. | 18:29 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: yes | 18:33 |
| Artemis_Fowl | damn. no developing again... :( | 18:39 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: answered most of the questions | 18:40 |
| Artemis_Fowl | need some more feedback for one | 18:40 |
| Artemis_Fowl | and some more searching for another | 18:40 |
| apachelogger | asfak: #kubuntu for support please | 18:40 |
| Artemis_Fowl | damn. bleeeding edge KDE is not so funny with e-mails... -.- | 18:43 |
| asfak | apachelogger, at #kubuntu they throw me here for any question about Intrepid. | 18:45 |
| asfak | I am not asking for support directly. But i wish developer automount window drives as default in Kubuntu Intrepid very similar to Ubuntu. | 18:47 |
| seele | claydoh: can you include your current menu.lst? | 18:48 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: there is no need. why do this? | 18:49 |
| claydoh | seele: sure, just after i rant a bit on K-F-N ;) | 18:49 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: what if his autmagic tags are messed up? and the kubuntu entry isn't in the list? | 18:49 |
| seele | that could be why he can't move it | 18:49 |
| seele | i havnt seen the screenshot, just read the email | 18:50 |
| Artemis_Fowl | well the behaviour ius the expected one | 18:50 |
| Artemis_Fowl | is* | 18:50 |
| seele | for some reason i can't create any new connections.. grr | 18:50 |
| Artemis_Fowl | he can't move his hardy entries up because the interpid ones are autoomagic protected | 18:51 |
| Artemis_Fowl | and the inverse | 18:51 |
| seele | oh, so they are outside automagic? why arent they being managed? | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: Who do I poke for 4.1.1 tarball changes? dirk seems to be awayish. | 18:51 |
| seele | hardy uses automagic | 18:51 |
| Artemis_Fowl | different menu.lst | 18:52 |
| Artemis_Fowl | interpid doesn't care about hardy obviously | 18:52 |
| seele | hrm.. is that going to be a problem? | 18:52 |
| Artemis_Fowl | obviously yes | 18:53 |
| Artemis_Fowl | if he updates hardy's kernel he will have to manually update the kernel | 18:53 |
| Artemis_Fowl | update-grub will update the hardy's menu.lst not intrepid's | 18:54 |
| * Artemis_Fowl keeps saying Interpid instead of Intrepid... | 18:54 | |
| Artemis_Fowl | anyway | 18:55 |
| Artemis_Fowl | I have to go | 18:55 |
| Artemis_Fowl | bb | 18:55 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: changes? | 18:56 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: konqueror doesn't terminate properly without r854183 | 18:59 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: which isn't in dirk's tars? | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | no | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kde4libs_4.1.1+really4.1.1-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff | 19:07 |
| Riddell | ok | 19:12 |
| Riddell | uploaded | 19:24 |
| claydoh | seele: I didn't consider trying to click on a greyed-out button, so wasn't seeng the resulting popup | 19:25 |
| seele | claydoh: yes, the fact that it is greyed out would prevent people from trying to click on it. it seems a problem that people don't know why it is disabled | 19:41 |
| seele | we thought of putting information above the list which explained automagic | 19:41 |
| claydoh | its probably not a big issue | 19:44 |
| claydoh | actually, might be to those who still want to boot to windows or something else | 19:45 |
| claydoh | but the 'default' setting is quite obvious and works :) | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | uhm | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | google chrome's QA seems unfair | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | they have an own bot for testing | 19:53 |
| jjesse | that does seem unfair :) | 19:54 |
| === mcas_away is now known as mcas | ||
| jjesse | wow the volume buttons are working in my vm for intrepid | 20:11 |
| jjesse | that's awesome great job guys | 20:11 |
| jjesse | so i have sound, plus the keys wokring in my vm | 20:11 |
| goatsocks | anyone know what gui toolkit chrome will use? | 20:16 |
| === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away | ||
| seele | are there any other ways to gather user feedback besides bugs? | 20:37 |
| seele | i want to gather comments about the icon alignment change, but i dont want people complaining about making another arbitrary bug in launchpad | 20:37 |
| seele | although, it is the easiest and most accessible way to record it | 20:38 |
| Nightrose | seele: who complained? getting userfedback is a perfectly valid reason to open a bug imho | 20:42 |
| Nightrose | and it is not like one more or less makes a difference | 20:43 |
| seele | no, but it isn't exactly bug use | 20:46 |
| seele | if you as a triager don't care, then i'll keep on doing it, hehe | 20:46 |
| smarter | a forum thread may be more appropriate, that's where you find users ;) | 20:47 |
| seele | i never use forums, and i'm not sure if i want to encourage regular users to alpha test stuff that could muck up their system like a broken grub menu file | 20:49 |
| Nightrose | +1 | 20:49 |
| === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh | ||
| smarter | usually there's a development/bleeding-edge forum, but oh well | 20:52 |
| seele | there is? huh. i should have probably known that | 20:52 |
| seele | i dunno what it is, i never liked forums. i dont understand why you should have to go back and check for updates | 20:53 |
| seele | if you get email notifications, why arent you just using a mailing list? | 20:53 |
| Nightrose | hehe seele doesn't seem to be a forum person | 20:54 |
| Nightrose | just like me | 20:54 |
| goatsocks | other distros use their bug tracker for other things than strictly bugs | 20:55 |
| goatsocks | gentoo uses bugzilla for personnel matters even | 20:55 |
| Nightrose | goatsocks: so does ubuntu | 20:55 |
| * claydoh is a forum person :) | 20:56 | |
| claydoh | but only uz k-u gets so, well, cranky :) | 20:56 |
| claydoh | s/because/uz | 20:57 |
| Nightrose | claydoh: I will be back at home tomorrow night and hope to get to your email then | 20:57 |
| claydoh | Nightrose: ok :) | 20:57 |
| smarter | mailing-list are not very user-friendly, viewing a thread can be painful(you need to click on the "next message in thread" button for every message), etc... | 20:58 |
| * Nightrose is currently _again_ drowning in a email backlog :/ | 20:58 | |
| Nightrose | I should travel less | 20:58 |
| smarter | but I'm an admin of the French Ubuntu forum, so I'm probably biased ;) | 20:58 |
| claydoh | no, don't you'll miss it later | 20:58 |
| * claydoh misses travelling | 20:58 | |
| Nightrose | hehe | 20:59 |
| * claydoh is biased towards forums for similar reasons, smarter :) | 20:59 | |
| goatsocks | the signal to noise ratio on forums is far too low when technical things are being discussed | 21:02 |
| goatsocks | forums are more suited to socializing than tech discussion imo | 21:02 |
| === mcas is now known as mcas_away | ||
| goatsocks | of course launchpad (and bugzilla etc.) don't always live up to their potential, often on a bug report you'll have to wade through a dozen "i confirm this" comments, even after the nature of the bug has been identified ;) | 21:06 |
| apachelogger | http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux | 21:10 |
| goatsocks | apachelogger: still don't see any gui toolkit depends, should i assume gtk? | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | I don't know | 21:16 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/chrome.tar.bz2 | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | bigger than firefox :P | 21:20 |
| goatsocks | their svn keeps dropping out | 21:21 |
| apachelogger | I am wondering hwy | 21:21 |
| goatsocks | i guess 168 MB has something to do with it :) | 21:25 |
| goatsocks | looking at the header files, seems they don't rely on external toolkits, they do their own rendering | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | most reasonable | 21:34 |
| apachelogger | but I think that build instruction page is bogus | 21:34 |
| apachelogger | it suggest to checkout src/chrome | 21:34 |
| apachelogger | but SConstruct expects ../build | 21:34 |
| apachelogger | ok, this checkout is going to take forever | 21:38 |
| goatsocks | they've probably been slashdotted | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | ha | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | google servers don't get slashdotted :P | 21:40 |
| apachelogger | it's just that this svn is gigantic | 21:40 |
| goatsocks | svn isn't known for its resource friendliness | 21:40 |
| apachelogger | all of webkit + ff2 + ff3 + scons + about 10 libraries.... | 21:40 |
| apachelogger | ohhhhh | 21:41 |
| apachelogger | that thing even got an about memory page | 21:41 |
| apachelogger | this is too awesome | 21:41 |
| apachelogger | <3 geekware | 21:41 |
| goatsocks | yeah, i heard it can tell you the mem usage of individual plug-ins and such | 21:42 |
| apachelogger | yes | 21:42 |
| apachelogger | not just that | 21:42 |
| apachelogger | it can differ by private and shared memory | 21:42 |
| apachelogger | and for the virtual kind between private and mapped | 21:42 |
| apachelogger | incognito mode :D | 21:43 |
| goatsocks | that too, i know of one privacy-related project that is already considering using chrome for that feature | 21:43 |
| apachelogger | right, they fixed the build indstructions to use src instead of src/chrome | 21:50 |
| goatsocks | cnn just did a spot on chrome | 21:54 |
| goatsocks | MS is probably crapping themselves | 21:55 |
| JontheEchidna | I heard about chrome on the radio | 21:55 |
| goatsocks | looks like the webkit canvas is used for everything, even the tabs and controls | 21:55 |
| goatsocks | a bit like a XUL app in that respect | 21:56 |
| JontheEchidna | they should've used Qt | 21:56 |
| goatsocks | JontheEchidna: at least they didn't opt for gtk or wx ;) | 21:57 |
| JontheEchidna | yes | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | I really don't care | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | it looks hot | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | everything else doesn't matter | 21:57 |
| goatsocks | heh | 21:57 |
| JontheEchidna | can has screenshot? | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | hail chrome! | 21:57 |
| JontheEchidna | *can haz screenshot? | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | un moment, s'il te plaît | 21:58 |
| apachelogger | hm | 21:58 |
| * apachelogger is wondering why ksnapshot is not ported to windows | 21:59 | |
| * JontheEchidna suspects a nasty X dependency | 22:00 | |
| seele | oh i so wish | 22:00 |
| seele | <3 ksnapshot | 22:00 |
| apachelogger | <3 ksnapshot 2 | 22:00 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/chrome.jpg | 22:00 |
| JontheEchidna | hot | 22:01 |
| apachelogger | and I think there is some bug on kubuntu.org | 22:01 |
| apachelogger | rendering takes awfully long | 22:01 |
| apachelogger | and it fails completely in qtwebkit | 22:01 |
| Riddell | works here in arora | 22:02 |
| apachelogger | hm, then maybe kdewebkit screws up | 22:02 |
| apachelogger | omg, that checkout is still running | 22:03 |
| goatsocks | i admire how they've reclaimed some space from the window manager's titlebar | 22:03 |
| goatsocks | what does it look like non-maximized? | 22:03 |
| seele | wow, theyre very serious about using the tab metaphor correctly | 22:04 |
| JontheEchidna | goatsocks: http://media.arstechnica.com/journals/linux.media/300/chrome.png | 22:05 |
| goatsocks | seele: you like how tabs were originally used in smalltalk back in the 70's? ;) | 22:05 |
| goatsocks | s/you like/you mean like/ | 22:06 |
| * seele suspects chrome will be optimized to work with google cloud apps | 22:06 | |
| seele | goatsocks: not necessarily, but that is the correct way to use the tab metaphor | 22:06 |
| apachelogger | seele: it is already | 22:06 |
| apachelogger | the whole purpose of chrome is to make better use of google's apps | 22:06 |
| apachelogger | and I have to say, I love that interface | 22:06 |
| seele | apachelogger: there are functions in google apps that only work in chrome? | 22:06 |
| apachelogger | seele: not yet, but for example the javascript engine rewrite was only because of the google apps | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | they are making heavy use of js | 22:07 |
| seele | ah | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | and chrome comes with a built in google gears | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | so you can take google docs and reader offline | 22:07 |
| seele | hmm.. didnt konq developers discuss trying to put tools inside the document area below the tabs for a while? | 22:08 |
| seele | although i think they tried putting it in the document instead of moving the toolbar below the tab | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | \sh: oh | 22:08 |
| seele | it makes a lot of sense.. it's kindof weird how you click on a tab in other browsers and a static item changes | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | \sh: do you have a wine trunk build? if so, could you try running chrome? | 22:08 |
| seele | if the location bar belongs to the tab, it isn't as awkward since it is conceptually a new page | 22:08 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I have a somewhat recent wine build | 22:09 |
| JontheEchidna | wine-1.1.2-307-g520ab5c | 22:09 |
| JontheEchidna | eek, 1 minor version behind | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | rofl | 22:10 |
| apachelogger | 2.4G . | 22:10 |
| apachelogger | that source is gigantic | 22:10 |
| goatsocks | ugh | 22:10 |
| * JontheEchidna facepalms | 22:11 | |
| * apachelogger starts compression | 22:11 | |
| goatsocks | either that, or they have 10 years worth of svn history stored | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | only 1600 revisions IIRC | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | but webkit itself is already quite big | 22:12 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, the installer doesn't work with my wine | 22:13 |
| goatsocks | time to reboot and see if these 4.1.1 updates blow up my system, brb | 22:13 |
| * JontheEchidna git's up | 22:13 | |
| * JontheEchidna git up's | 22:13 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: maybe I should send you the downloaded stuff | 22:16 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 22:17 |
| apachelogger | or maybe not :P | 22:18 |
| goatsocks | yay, kdesudo works again with Login Manager from System Settings | 22:21 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger got a patch from fedora for that | 22:21 |
| JontheEchidna | which was nice of them | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | they got a << "-i" << QString( mItem->service->icon() ) << in return | 22:22 |
| * apachelogger even remembered that syntax :P | 22:22 | |
| * goatsocks is impressed | 22:23 | |
| JontheEchidna | what does that do? | 22:23 |
| JontheEchidna | make the icons for the modules work with kdesudo? | 22:23 |
| apachelogger | yus | 22:24 |
| apachelogger | we also have an << "-d" << before that | 22:24 |
| apachelogger | that doesn't make too much sense with kdesu though | 22:24 |
| JontheEchidna | the icon is tinier than most apps | 22:25 |
| apachelogger | yeah, I need to poke master tonio | 22:25 |
| apachelogger | kdesudo currentl expects an icon file rather than an icon name | 22:25 |
| apachelogger | and I really don't see why systemsettings should create an icon file path just because kdesudo isn't inteligent enough | 22:26 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: currently systemsettings freezes once it launches kdesudo | 22:26 |
| JontheEchidna | if you cancel | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | kdesudo's fault | 22:27 |
| JontheEchidna | whee | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | run kdesudo in gdb | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | it doesn't quit upon cancel | 22:27 |
| JontheEchidna | that's probably why I sometimes get a kdesudo when session is restored on startup... | 22:28 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: chromeSetup.exe doesn't work with the latest Wine | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | that could also be caused by the sudo cache | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | but caching or not if I click cancel the app should go away | 22:29 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe latest git will work | 22:30 |
| JontheEchidna | still buildign | 22:30 |
| claydoh | http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux | 22:35 |
| claydoh | :( | 22:35 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: ? | 22:36 |
| apachelogger | oh, btw | 22:36 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/chrome-svn.tar.bz2 this should be an usable checkout | 22:37 |
| claydoh | but does it build/run? | 22:38 |
| goatsocks | apachelogger: final size? | 22:39 |
| apachelogger | it's the 2.4 gib checkout without svn | 22:39 |
| apachelogger | trunk/src | 22:39 |
| apachelogger | which should include everything for building | 22:40 |
| apachelogger | and looking at it building will take ages | 22:40 |
| goatsocks | apachelogger: i mean after bzipping ;) | 22:40 |
| apachelogger | dunno | 22:40 |
| apachelogger | 1.1G . | 22:41 |
| goatsocks | guess i might grab it later then if i feel like hacking | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | party in #chromium | 22:51 |
| goatsocks | nice, 4.1.1 seems to have fixed most of the issues i had with 4.1.0, now i'm just waiting for kdepim to be updated ;) | 22:54 |
| apachelogger | it still isn't built? | 22:55 |
| goatsocks | dunno, but it's not on the mirrors | 22:55 |
| * JontheEchidna has it on i386 | 22:55 | |
| goatsocks | well kdepim 4.1.1 proper is there, but its depends aren't | 22:55 |
| goatsocks | http://paste.ubuntu.com/42843/ | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | oh | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | picasa 3.0 | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | google is certainly in a good mood | 22:57 |
| blizzz | but there is still no native linux client for picasa, is it? | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | well | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | there is a kipi uploader | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | and that is all what is necessary | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | IMO they should dump the whole client and make it a full blown web app | 22:59 |
| goatsocks | chrome should make that easier for them | 23:00 |
| apachelogger | yups | 23:00 |
| goatsocks | it's all coming together now, their evil plan | 23:00 |
| apachelogger | as long as I get enough online storage I don't care about the evil plan | 23:01 |
| * blizzz hides in his bunker | 23:02 | |
| ScottK-palm | apachelogger: Would you please look into the kde4bindings FTBFS on lpia? I can't really do it on my phone. | 23:05 |
| ScottK-palm | I think I got everything requeued for amd64, so it should be good. | 23:05 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-palm: sure, just need to find it | 23:06 |
| * apachelogger got 100 package mails or something | 23:06 | |
| ScottK-palm | Yeah, well some I retried too soon. Sorry about that. | 23:07 |
| apachelogger | cp obj-*-linux-gnu/lib/qt-dotnet.dll debian/libqyoto4.3-cil/usr/lib/cli/qyoto-4.3/ | 23:07 |
| apachelogger | cp: cannot stat `obj-*-linux-gnu/lib/qt-dotnet.dll': No such file or directory | 23:07 |
| JontheEchidna | let's blame it on windows | 23:08 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-palm: I think we need to prevent qyoto stuff from building on lpia | 23:08 |
| ScottK-palm | AFAICT we are good on i386, amd64, ia64, and sparc. | 23:08 |
| apachelogger | but since I have no clue about qyoto I'd rather have Riddell do that | 23:08 |
| ScottK-palm | hppa will need some retries after kdebase-workspace finishes. | 23:09 |
| ScottK-palm | Maybe someone could make an lpia pbuilder (you can on i386) and try to replicate it. I'm relectant to just randomly retry it. | 23:11 |
| * ScottK-palm decides to sign off and focus on driving. | 23:12 | |
| JontheEchidna | oO | 23:13 |
| JontheEchidna | palm piloting while driving? | 23:13 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 23:13 |
| JontheEchidna | oO | 23:14 |
| apachelogger | and I thought I was an ubergeek when I made an audio blog while driving | 23:14 |
| * JontheEchidna stops | 23:14 | |
| JontheEchidna | I have IRC'd on my DS before | 23:15 |
| * goatsocks is beginning to realize why so many geeks are involved in auto accidents | 23:16 | |
| apachelogger | well, we at least don't package software while driving .... that would be dangerous because of the focus disorder _and_ the possability of falling asleep | 23:18 |
| blizzz | you need a driver | 23:19 |
| * blizzz suggests ScottK | 23:21 | |
| ScottK-palm | The lpia buildds were all idle, so I just hit retry. | 23:23 |
| apachelogger | blizzz: I could have had a driver @ Linux Tag :P | 23:30 |
| blizzz | apachelogger: i doubt that'd be faster than public transport. | 23:31 |
| blizzz | and going by public transport is more fun (for the others, though, but hey...) | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | blizzz: it's only fun with cool people | 23:34 |
| blizzz | apachelogger: i remember emonkey... with his very dreadful grimaces | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | blizzz: cool, not embarrassing :P | 23:37 |
| blizzz | oftentimes coolness and embarassness is divided by a fine line only | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | chrome is cool | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | I think I got a crush on a web browser | 23:40 |
| apachelogger | that sounds way too sick | 23:40 |
| blizzz | not embarrassing? | 23:40 |
| blizzz | at least, this is embarrassing | 23:40 |
| apachelogger | blizzz: that depends on the pov | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | I knew people who are in love with music players | 23:45 |
| blizzz | still better than marrying a car | 23:48 |
| blizzz | hey, that's cool... "to be one beer short of a six-pack" again a lot better than the german counterpart | 23:49 |
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