[00:38] hmm amarok nightly won't play mp3s anymore [00:39] unlikely [00:39] Nice to finally have a working X if not yet a properly working KDE4... [00:39] em, it actually can play something? [00:39] that is, phonon claims not to be able to play mp3's [00:39] if I go to the audo configuration, there seems to be no backend [00:39] ryanakca: not yet porperly working KDE4? [00:39] *evil look* [00:40] yuriy: maybe phonon-xine is broken [00:40] yuriy: actually is amarok-nightly-kdebase installed at all? [00:41] apachelogger: well, it logs in, but it is *excessively* slow. And it seems to ignore the ``mv ~/.kde ~/.kde3-old && cp -fra ~/.kde4 ~/kde'' I did before logging in [00:42] well [00:42] moving .kde4 to kde certainly ain't gonna work very well [00:42] apachelogger: it was, but amarok-nightly-kdebase-runtime wasn't for some reason. anyways, I've installed the beta (amarok-kde4) now instead [00:42] yuriy: -runtime is a transition package [00:42] apachelogger: no? I thought Intrepid's KDE4 used ~/.kde ... [00:42] cp -fra ~/.kde4 ~/kde [00:43] take a close look [00:43] I tend to think the ~/kde is dotless [00:44] sorry, ~/.kde === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [02:01] hmm.. did we decide that konqueror wouldn't have icons only, not icons + text, or is the default messed up? [02:01] it looks like all the apps are getting configured with the global setting except for konq [02:01] nixternal: ping [02:08] Hobbsee: ping [02:26] i'm trying to track down how i got synaptic on my intrepid install, did it come w/ firefox? [02:26] probably [02:26] it needs it for whatever it does to install flash [02:26] with ubufox [02:26] so it's conflicting now for add/remove programs in the application launcher when i type in add [02:26] up pops synaptic [02:27] JontheEchidna: i think that is correct [02:27] * Jucato confirms it :) [02:27] is there a way to make it use adept/adept batch instead? [02:27] make a kubufox? [02:28] wait for a decent webkit browser, then add a conflicts: firefox to kubuntu-desktop? :P [02:28] is there then a way to make adept add/remove programs "higher priority" in search [02:43] smarter: kleopatra is in Universe. It either needs to be promoted to Main or dropped to Suggests (it was suggests in KDE3). [03:24] Riddell, Hobbsee, nixternal, ScottK, any core-dev at all: http://aplg.kollide.net/.123123/fix/ [03:25] * ScottK looks [03:25] [22:23:27] Riddell, JontheEchidna, smarter, vorian: http://aplg.kollide.net/.123123/fix/ please find a sponsor (sanity checking is very welcome, but these version have to be in alpha5 and for that matter get in ASAP) [03:26] apachelogger accidentally switched out the 4.1.1 with the 4.1.0 tarballs in the ones Riddell uploaded a few hours ago [03:26] Didn't most of the get uploaded already? [03:26] Ay [03:26] Ah. [03:27] Did the tarball claim to be 4.1.1 or did it claim to be 4.1.9? [03:43] testers for kgrubeditor? [03:44] you want to include it in intrepid? [03:44] :D [03:44] anyone online? [03:45] most of europe is asleep right now ;-) [03:45] * JontheEchidna is in the US [03:46] i'm europe [03:46] ;D [03:46] i couldn't sleep [03:46] i would like to help test kgrubeditor [03:46] :) [03:46] well, the latest version is in Intrepid [03:47] * seele wonders if people who have never seen the desktop plasma widget will know what it is [03:47] especially if they have no files in ~/Desktop/ [03:48] er, Folder plasma widget [03:48] it would be nice if it would go away if desktop was empty [03:48] no, because then no one would be able to discover it can be configured for any folder, it's not just the "Desktop" [03:48] good point [03:48] it would be more useful if it were linked to ~ or Documents [03:49] but we also have old user vs. new user issues [03:49] JontheEchidna: i have to repartition my hard to install intrepid, and i can't use virtualization, because i have only 768 mb of ram, and a sempron processor, but will install intrepid in the morning i suppose :) [03:49] btw, when's the newest alpha coming out? [03:49] in a few days [03:49] older users who upgrade will likely have something in Desktop. fresh installs and new users will not [03:49] digistyl3: there are also packages in the kde4 ppa I think [03:50] JontheEchidna: is it 0.8-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 ? [03:50] might not be up to date though [03:50] latest vesion is 0.8.1 in Intrepid [03:51] kgrubeditor seems to work fine here, but has a couple of UI inconsistencies vis a vis other systemsettings applets [03:52] hmm.. i was thinking about misusing the bug system and creating a ticket for people to say theyve tested kgrubeditor [03:52] goatsocks: mind submitting a bug to launchpad so i can check the ui issues out? [03:53] * JontheEchidna passes out [03:53] does anyone know about a python guide for programmers? (for someone who knows c++ and some qt) [03:53] seele: sure, i'll ping you when i'm done [03:58] any suggestions please? [03:59] don't want to go through all the basic stuff (what is a variable... what is a function) cause i know pascal and c++ :) [04:00] digistyl3: look at the tutorial on the python website. you'll need to skip over some stuff, but it's a good primer and reference [04:00] digistyl3: Python in a Nutshell might suite you, although it may be short on examples for you. [04:00] yuriy: I've got a bug day idea for you. [04:00] me too, to find a day for bugs [04:00] yuriy: this one? http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html [04:00] yuriy: What about a triage day devoted to finding bugs fixed in KDE3.5.10 to help make the case for pushing it to updates? [04:01] digistyl3: yes [04:01] ok, will eat my way through the tutorials, thanks :) [04:01] ScottK: it's in backports now? [04:01] using qt with python seems to be easier than with c++ [04:02] ScottK: could be a good idea. I could set up a page in the course of this week and do it next tuesday? [04:02] yuriy: Yes. [04:02] ScottK: a tag or something since there's no obvious way to express it [04:03] Sounds good. [04:03] yuriy: Bug 261840 is my tracking bug for the good, the bad, and the ugly on 3.5.10 [04:03] Launchpad bug 261840 in ubuntu "Please pocket copy KDE 3.5.10 from hardy-backports to hardy-updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261840 [04:04] it would be great if LP had something called "missions" [04:05] a "mission" would have packages assigned to it [04:05] people assigned to it [04:05] status, etc :) === seele changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Testers needed for KGrubEditor - If tested post comment on https://launchpad.net/bugs/263827 [04:05] ScottK: the systray not using two rows would really bother me [04:06] Well awen says it's fixable, I haven't had a chance to look yet. [04:06] you used kde3.5.10 for regressions? [04:12] I'm not sure I understand the question? [04:12] the tag [04:13] Yes. [04:13] I used it for anything 3.5.10 related. [04:13] I think it could be for fixes too. [04:13] so just use that one for this? [04:13] It's just that regressions is all I have so far. [04:13] Yes. [04:16] I think it'll be nice to have a bug day that is for people who don't run the development release. === lamont` is now known as lamont [04:45] seem to have a piece of kitty litter stuck under my keyboard, shorting it and locking up X :/ [05:39] nixternal: You up and sober? [06:50] seele: ok added my kgrubeditor comment and screenshot [07:28] smarter: I took care of moving kleopatra back to suggests when I re-uploaded all of kde4 just now. [09:37] apachelogger: pong [09:42] hola [09:42] I am trying to use kde 4.1, but it still fails to heed my xorg settings [09:43] they are correct in system settings [09:43] kde consider my laptop screen as primary, whereas it is the external one that is [09:44] thus I get my panel in the middle of the screen [09:45] larsivi: have you tried krandrtray? [09:45] smarter: not that I know [09:45] smarter: do I install it from apt_ [09:46] it should already be installed [09:46] gah, it took my keyboard settings too [09:46] it's in kdebase-workspace-bin if it's not already installed [09:48] it only gives me system settings [09:48] afaics [09:49] the problem is quite obviously that the panel is looking at the wrong screen to figure out what size it can be [09:49] this was a problem with the 3.5 panel back when xrandr 1.2 and friends were originally introduced too, but that has long since been fixed [09:50] note that I have no problems using the rest of the desktop [09:50] ah, completely removing the panel fixes the size it seems, but now I have to readd the stuff on it ... [09:56] ok, thanks, lets see if this works [10:16] apachelogger: yuriy: I had people complain about not having a backend yesterday in #amarok [10:26] hi again :) I try to get kopete kde4 working, but it won't pick up qca-tls [11:03] hmm, I think this is present in kde3 too - any global shortcut involving just Alt (like Alt+F1/F2 for krunner) doesn't work [11:03] Ctrl+Alt+something works [11:30] kdebase-workspace FTBFS on i386. I'm about to upload a fix. [11:35] uploaded. [12:50] <\sh> kdelibs5 4:4.1.1+really4.1.1-0ubuntu1 <- what is this for a version number? ,-) [12:51] \sh: apachelogger accidentally uploaded kde4libs with the 4.1.0 tarball [12:51] <\sh> oh knows [12:51] <\sh> aehm [12:51] yes, ScottK saved our skins [12:51] <\sh> oh nos ;) [12:51] and uploaded the fixed last night [13:06] \sh: How's your C++? Would you perhaps be able to look at the build failure log for kdepimlibs on AMD64 and make sense of what's wrong? [13:14] <\sh> ScottK: buildlog? [13:14] \sh: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.1.1-0ubuntu2/+build/706343 [13:15] * ScottK goes off to take the youngest out to the school bus. [13:15] <\sh> its da cmake [13:16] Maybe you can conspire with apachelogger and figure it out while I'm out at the bus. [13:16] I asked in #cmake [13:16] no answer so far [13:17] <\sh> http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t501836-how-do-i-use-stdoutofrange-.html [13:17] <\sh> ScottK: src pkg is on archive? [13:18] \sh: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs [13:18] I'm already building it [13:20] cmake doesn't fail here [13:21] apachelogger: ^ [13:21] Oo [13:21] wth [13:21] <\sh> smarter: pbuilder or sbuild? [13:21] pbuilder [13:21] <\sh> smarter: you have the special sbuild packages installed ? [13:22] I don't think so? [13:22] <\sh> i mean the add packages for the buildserver [13:22] <\sh> I'll build it with sbuild now [13:22] no idea what it is :p [13:22] okay [13:25] <\sh> but on my sbuild it doesn't fail too [13:26] now I am worried [13:26] \sh: could it have been a temporary issue? [13:27] yeah for random bugs [13:27] <\sh> apachelogger: I'm asking on #u-d [13:27] <\sh> apachelogger: btw...can you rebuild via lp mouseclick? ,-) [13:27] kdepimlibs is in main [13:28] Hobbsee: still around? [13:28] I'll just retry it then. [13:28] <\sh> ScottK: tbh, it looks like a borked buildd ... [13:29] OK. Just retried it. We'll see. [13:32] oh, canonical increased the amount of ppa builders [13:40] ScottK, \sh: https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/yellow [13:40] 11% [13:40] Looks like it's past where it failed before. [13:40] so it was a temporary issue [13:40] Yep. [13:40] * ScottK was sitting here wishing he could tail -f that. [13:42] \sh: Thanks for the help. [13:42] ScottK: Konqueror with autorefresh on the buildd's web page is almost as good. [13:42] 33% now [13:42] ScottK: Thanks again for the sponsoring :) [13:43] <\sh> ScottK: looks like it works now ,-) [13:43] I'm currently working on lpia. Most of it FTBFS because sbuild fails the build instead of depwaiting when a build dep is uninstallable. [13:43] Yep. [13:50] Artemis_Fowl: ping when you log on [13:51] seele: I doubt that he will see that, considering he is not online. [13:57] apachelogger: usually he checks logs before he logs on, otherwise you're right :P [13:58] ah :) [14:03] <\sh> ScottK: when building for backports, are the backports pocket used for building the backports? [14:04] Yes === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [14:57] good morning! how was everyone's weekend? [15:01] pretty ok [15:01] I forgot what happened this weekend [15:02] but last weekend was a blast :) [15:26] smarter: ping [15:26] pong [15:26] Kgrubeditor after last update on alpha4 crashes after start. I am asked to enter password and whoops, it disappears. THis was not the case last week. let me update today again [15:27] smarter: I've been told you do the guidance-power-manager? [15:27] hdevalence: I've done the packaging if that's what you mean [15:27] asfak: see bug 262035 [15:27] Launchpad bug 262035 in kgrubeditor "Kgrubeditor crashes after entering root-password" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262035 [15:28] oh, just the packaging... [15:28] smarter: it has a bug and I'm going to make a patch. I have a KDE SVN account but it might be more polite to talk to the maintainer first [15:29] yes, that's exactly what is happening [15:29] hdevalence: I'm not sure myself who the maintainer is ;) I think Riddell worked on it [15:30] asfak: the update hasn't been pushed yet afaik [15:31] ok, I will wait for the update.... [15:46] Riddell: Hi. [15:46] hi mornfall [15:47] I have 2 regression fixes on Adept 3, is there anything else that should go to beta2? I'd probably release this week. [15:47] (I have signature validation on the list as well.) [15:47] mornfall: the upgrader not marking anything for upgrade is the main issue I've noticed [15:48] Riddell: Yes, that's fixed. [15:48] The other is that read-only mode broke. Fixed too. [15:49] mornfall: the app icons are missing, system-software-update seems a suitable choice from oxygen [15:50] Ah, right, app icons. [15:50] So saying icon=system-software-update and such in .desktop would fix that, right? [15:50] Icon* [15:50] yep [15:50] Good, I'll add that to TODO. [15:50] super === Czessi__ is now known as Czessi [16:28] Riddell: ping! [16:28] hi jussi01 [16:29] heya Riddell, did you notice my PM from last night? [16:38] Riddell: please trigger a retry of kdebase kdenetwork and kdeutils on amd64 [16:45] should hardy->intrepid currently work? [17:02] seaLne: it should yes [17:02] actual upgrade tests welcome [17:03] The upgrade needs a total of 201M free space on disk '/boot' [17:05] aptitude wanted to remove kde, update-manager gives that error. wtf it wants to install that much in /boot i don't know [17:06] my /boot is only 200M :( [17:16] Oo [17:16] hm [17:24] now seriously, this is getting weird [17:25] Riddell: please retry these 3 again [17:25] libplasma-dev: Depends: libplasma2 (= 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu9) but it is not going to be installed [17:33] apachelogger: done [17:33] seaLne: nothing in there you can clean? [17:42] Riddell: are there any rumours about konqueror not quitting on kde-packager? [17:44] nope [17:46] Riddell: it can't possibly actually need to install 200M for a kernel [17:50] seaLne: wouldnt't think so, I'm using 35 megs and I have two installed [17:50] might be worth filing a bug on update-manager [17:51] yeah [17:52] Riddell: I really don't get why base, network and utils don't want to build, please take a look at it [17:52] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.1.1-0ubuntu3/+build/706622 [17:53] the new libplasma-dev should be avaialble for > 1 hour [17:54] "Built successfully" [17:55] Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/4:4.1.1-0ubuntu2/+build/706350 [17:58] have patience, soyuz will catch up with itself eventually [17:59] Riddell: hope so :S [18:01] upgrade fail: http://paste.ubuntu.com/42764/ [18:01] oh [18:01] seele: Artemis_Fowl is here [18:02] this the change to 4 as kde i presume? [18:02] seaLne: you should better wait until kdepim is built [18:02] we fixed the kdepim upgrade bugs in 4.1.1 [18:02] ah [18:02] seaLne: what are you using to upgrade? [18:03] likely to be done by tommorow morning? [18:03] apt-get [18:04] seaLne: most likely and I suggest using update-manager for series upgrades [18:05] Artemis_Fowl: hi [18:05] see my earlier problem with u-m [18:05] Artemis_Fowl: did you catch my ping in the logs? [18:05] oh, right [18:06] seele: uhm no. let me check them [18:06] ah, i just said "ping" [18:06] since you sometimes check logs [18:06] ok [18:07] so like i said, i created a qa bug to help keep track of how many people test kgrubeditor, otherwise we wont know how many people actually use it unless they report a bug [18:07] btw Kon/Con is shorter than Konstantinos [18:08] hehe ok :) [18:08] seele: i'm subsscribed to all bugs [18:08] right, i figured you were, i wasnt sure if i explained why i did it though [18:08] I read them all but I found no time to reply [18:08] replyinh right now [18:08] replying* [18:08] what did you think of relabelling the OS list to GRUB Boot List instead of using "operating system" [18:08] seele: replying as well, once i grab screenshots [18:08] Riddell: got time for some removals? [18:09] claydoh: great [18:12] apachelogger: mibby [18:13] Artemis_Fowl: phone call, back in about 30 minutes [18:13] k [18:16] Riddell: qgrubeditor needs to go (superseded by kgrubeditor), kopete-otr (included in official kopete), kiconedit-kde4 (dropped -kde4), kgrab-kde4 (dropped -kde4), kio-opt (you only removed the binary but not the source some time ago), kde-systemsettings (superseded by systemsettings), meta-kde4 (meat-kde should changed to use the kde4 packages) [18:25] seele: I think GRUB Boot List is indeed better. Should I rename it? [18:29] i cannot access my window drives (though i can see them) as a users. But if i run dolphin as a root, i can access them. I know it's permission problem. Can anyone help me how to set permision in such a way that from now on whenever i boot to kubuntu intrepid, i can access windows drive without any hassles. I never had any problem in Ubuntu. There was never such permission problem. [18:33] Artemis_Fowl: yes [18:39] damn. no developing again... :( [18:40] seele: answered most of the questions [18:40] need some more feedback for one [18:40] and some more searching for another [18:40] asfak: #kubuntu for support please [18:43] damn. bleeeding edge KDE is not so funny with e-mails... -.- [18:45] apachelogger, at #kubuntu they throw me here for any question about Intrepid. [18:47] I am not asking for support directly. But i wish developer automount window drives as default in Kubuntu Intrepid very similar to Ubuntu. [18:48] claydoh: can you include your current menu.lst? [18:49] seele: there is no need. why do this? [18:49] seele: sure, just after i rant a bit on K-F-N ;) [18:49] Artemis_Fowl: what if his autmagic tags are messed up? and the kubuntu entry isn't in the list? [18:49] that could be why he can't move it [18:50] i havnt seen the screenshot, just read the email [18:50] well the behaviour ius the expected one [18:50] is* [18:50] for some reason i can't create any new connections.. grr [18:51] he can't move his hardy entries up because the interpid ones are autoomagic protected [18:51] and the inverse [18:51] oh, so they are outside automagic? why arent they being managed? [18:51] Riddell: Who do I poke for 4.1.1 tarball changes? dirk seems to be awayish. [18:51] hardy uses automagic [18:52] different menu.lst [18:52] interpid doesn't care about hardy obviously [18:52] hrm.. is that going to be a problem? [18:53] obviously yes [18:53] if he updates hardy's kernel he will have to manually update the kernel [18:54] update-grub will update the hardy's menu.lst not intrepid's [18:54] * Artemis_Fowl keeps saying Interpid instead of Intrepid... [18:55] anyway [18:55] I have to go [18:55] bb [18:56] apachelogger: changes? [18:59] Riddell: konqueror doesn't terminate properly without r854183 [19:01] apachelogger: which isn't in dirk's tars? [19:01] no [19:07] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kde4libs_4.1.1+really4.1.1-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff [19:12] ok [19:24] uploaded [19:25] seele: I didn't consider trying to click on a greyed-out button, so wasn't seeng the resulting popup [19:41] claydoh: yes, the fact that it is greyed out would prevent people from trying to click on it. it seems a problem that people don't know why it is disabled [19:41] we thought of putting information above the list which explained automagic [19:44] its probably not a big issue [19:45] actually, might be to those who still want to boot to windows or something else [19:46] but the 'default' setting is quite obvious and works :) [19:53] uhm [19:53] google chrome's QA seems unfair [19:53] they have an own bot for testing [19:54] that does seem unfair :) === mcas_away is now known as mcas [20:11] wow the volume buttons are working in my vm for intrepid [20:11] that's awesome great job guys [20:11] so i have sound, plus the keys wokring in my vm [20:16] anyone know what gui toolkit chrome will use? === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [20:37] are there any other ways to gather user feedback besides bugs? [20:37] i want to gather comments about the icon alignment change, but i dont want people complaining about making another arbitrary bug in launchpad [20:38] although, it is the easiest and most accessible way to record it [20:42] seele: who complained? getting userfedback is a perfectly valid reason to open a bug imho [20:43] and it is not like one more or less makes a difference [20:46] no, but it isn't exactly bug use [20:46] if you as a triager don't care, then i'll keep on doing it, hehe [20:47] a forum thread may be more appropriate, that's where you find users ;) [20:49] i never use forums, and i'm not sure if i want to encourage regular users to alpha test stuff that could muck up their system like a broken grub menu file [20:49] +1 === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [20:52] usually there's a development/bleeding-edge forum, but oh well [20:52] there is? huh. i should have probably known that [20:53] i dunno what it is, i never liked forums. i dont understand why you should have to go back and check for updates [20:53] if you get email notifications, why arent you just using a mailing list? [20:54] hehe seele doesn't seem to be a forum person [20:54] just like me [20:55] other distros use their bug tracker for other things than strictly bugs [20:55] gentoo uses bugzilla for personnel matters even [20:55] goatsocks: so does ubuntu [20:56] * claydoh is a forum person :) [20:56] but only uz k-u gets so, well, cranky :) [20:57] s/because/uz [20:57] claydoh: I will be back at home tomorrow night and hope to get to your email then [20:57] Nightrose: ok :) [20:58] mailing-list are not very user-friendly, viewing a thread can be painful(you need to click on the "next message in thread" button for every message), etc... [20:58] * Nightrose is currently _again_ drowning in a email backlog :/ [20:58] I should travel less [20:58] but I'm an admin of the French Ubuntu forum, so I'm probably biased ;) [20:58] no, don't you'll miss it later [20:58] * claydoh misses travelling [20:59] hehe [20:59] * claydoh is biased towards forums for similar reasons, smarter :) [21:02] the signal to noise ratio on forums is far too low when technical things are being discussed [21:02] forums are more suited to socializing than tech discussion imo === mcas is now known as mcas_away [21:06] of course launchpad (and bugzilla etc.) don't always live up to their potential, often on a bug report you'll have to wade through a dozen "i confirm this" comments, even after the nature of the bug has been identified ;) [21:10] http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux [21:15] apachelogger: still don't see any gui toolkit depends, should i assume gtk? [21:16] I don't know [21:20] http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/chrome.tar.bz2 [21:20] bigger than firefox :P [21:21] their svn keeps dropping out [21:21] I am wondering hwy [21:25] i guess 168 MB has something to do with it :) [21:32] looking at the header files, seems they don't rely on external toolkits, they do their own rendering [21:34] most reasonable [21:34] but I think that build instruction page is bogus [21:34] it suggest to checkout src/chrome [21:34] but SConstruct expects ../build [21:38] ok, this checkout is going to take forever [21:39] they've probably been slashdotted [21:39] ha [21:40] google servers don't get slashdotted :P [21:40] it's just that this svn is gigantic [21:40] svn isn't known for its resource friendliness [21:40] all of webkit + ff2 + ff3 + scons + about 10 libraries.... [21:41] ohhhhh [21:41] that thing even got an about memory page [21:41] this is too awesome [21:41] <3 geekware [21:42] yeah, i heard it can tell you the mem usage of individual plug-ins and such [21:42] yes [21:42] not just that [21:42] it can differ by private and shared memory [21:42] and for the virtual kind between private and mapped [21:43] incognito mode :D [21:43] that too, i know of one privacy-related project that is already considering using chrome for that feature [21:50] right, they fixed the build indstructions to use src instead of src/chrome [21:54] cnn just did a spot on chrome [21:55] MS is probably crapping themselves [21:55] I heard about chrome on the radio [21:55] looks like the webkit canvas is used for everything, even the tabs and controls [21:56] a bit like a XUL app in that respect [21:56] they should've used Qt [21:57]