[00:03] <emma> pwnguin: this is my Xorg.0.log -- http://club-ubuntu.pastebin.com/m1403f10c
[00:11] <pwnguin> bbiab dinner
[00:11] <emma> cool see you later on
[01:09] <intangir> where do i get the beta versions of ubuntu?
[01:09] <intangir> and what versions are they?
[01:09] <AirBender> it's alpha on thees days
[01:09] <AirBender> theese
[01:10] <AirBender> these, whatever
[01:10] <dmoerner> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-4/
[01:30] <intangir> does it have the guest login feature?
[01:33] <intangir> well thx im gonna try it out
[01:34] <AirBender> yes
[01:55] <bsnider> can somebody try increasing nautilus icon zoom level to 200% please?
[02:02] <AirBender> done
[02:02] <bsnider> nautilus should now be leaking memory like the titanic
[02:03] <AirBender> can't see any changes in the memory monitor as I change the value
[02:03] <bsnider> cool
[02:05] <bsnider> you increased it in the preferences window right?
[02:05] <AirBender> yes
[02:05] <AirBender> mmm
[02:05] <AirBender> no
[02:05] <AirBender> lol
[02:06] <bsnider> it has to be system-wide
[02:06] <AirBender> just where it says zoom
[02:06] <AirBender> beside the icon view combo box
[02:06] <bsnider> ok, click edit
[02:06] <bsnider> then preferences
[02:06] <AirBender> done
[02:07] <AirBender> nothing happened
[02:07] <bsnider> icon view defaults 200%
[02:07] <AirBender> yep
[02:07] <AirBender> and I can see the big icons
[02:07] <bsnider> when i did it it grabbed all of my ram
[02:07] <AirBender> and I have opened another window
[02:07] <AirBender> not here
[02:08] <AirBender> amd64 system
[02:08] <bsnider> yeah
[02:08] <AirBender> and I have 80% of my RAM full
[02:08] <bsnider> what's nautilus using?
[02:08] <AirBender> will check
[02:09] <AirBender> 30 MB
[02:09] <AirBender> two windows
[02:09] <bsnider> huh
[02:09] <bsnider> maybe i should blow away my gconf directory and switch gtk themes or something
[02:10] <bsnider> which icon theme are you using?
[02:10] <AirBender> new-human
[02:10] <AirBender> and metacity as window manager
[02:11] <AirBender> because I don't know why compiz refuses to start automatically
[02:13] <AirBender> by the way, the on demand frequency scalling isn't working
[02:13] <AirBender> stays at the lower limit
[02:18] <x1250> AirBender, yeah, compiz doesn't autostart here too, and I can't add it to the gnome session also, so I have to manually start it on login. Anyway, I read tha you could use ~/.config/autostart to manually add compiz to the gnome session, but I don't know the details of how to do it.
[02:18] <AirBender> yes, I have been starting it manually, but well, isn't that important though
[02:19] <x1250> nope :)
[02:29] <Cycom> hey, anyone else having their window decorations get all screwed up with the new nvidia drivers?  just the bar along the top.  Emerald themes work fine, but stuff like newhuman or the ubuntu studio theme are all wonky.
[02:31] <Cycom> doesn't show up in screenshots either.\
[04:21] <outbr1> So, I switched over to Intrepid day before yesterday and had most everything working when I shut it down last night. (Second reboot after upgrade, first was minutes after upgrade). When I booted up this morning, I had no internet connection. The cable is fine, I checked that connection. Ubuntu says it is connected at 100mb/s, with all the correct numbers, but it isn't. It appears Intrepid is no longer using the network-admin that Hardy used, and now 
[04:22] <bsnider> network-manager has been upgraded, yes
[04:24] <outbr1> The first problem I've had with nm is that it won't let me save a configuration, it says it failed.
[04:24] <bsnider> if it's wired, why would you need to do that?
[04:25] <LSD|Ninja> NM handles wired connections too. The problem is that it only enables tham after login. 0.7 is supposed to fix that only it doesn't work in Intrepid yet >_<
[04:26] <outbr1> Because it had no configuration to begin with. Somewhere along the line it saved one, so when I view Connection Information everything seems right. What shows up in the Addresses section is not what is shown in Connection Information.
[04:26] <bsnider> what does nm say your ip address is?
[04:27] <outbr1> It shows that as the correct ip (204.10.126.80), and the same one that is in Connection Information.
[04:28] <bsnider> why do you think you're not actually connected?
[04:29] <outbr1> Hmm. I can't ping out, or connect to anything in firefox.
[04:29] <outbr1> I can ping and ssh into it, though.
[04:30] <bsnider> is there anything bizarre about your setup?
[04:30] <outbr1> Not particularly. I could get out fine on everything before my second reboot.
[04:31] <bsnider> what kind of network hardware is it?
[04:31] <jessica> hey guys
[04:32] <bsnider> greetings and salutations
[04:32] <jessica> 8.10 has the .26 kernel doesnt it ?
[04:32] <SebNaitsabes> hi
[04:32] <bsnider> no
[04:32] <bsnider> .27
[04:32] <jessica> oooo testing kernel
[04:32] <jessica> hehe
[04:32] <bsnider> works fine
[04:32] <bsnider> has lot sof new drivers
[04:33] <SebNaitsabes> what's  Ibex on now?
[04:33] <SebNaitsabes> alpha still?
[04:33] <jessica> i wonder when my wireless card will have drivers
[04:33] <bsnider> new alpha is out ina  couple days
[04:33] <bsnider> what card is it?
[04:33] <jessica> rtl8187b
[04:33] <jessica> realtek
[04:33]  * SebNaitsabes likes to get  Ubuntu early, but not to early which he did with Gutsy and learnt his lesson
[04:33] <SebNaitsabes> since the updates screwed Gutsy up in the end
[04:34] <SebNaitsabes> untill  the stable was much nearer
[04:34]  * jessica tested hardy from alpha 1 - rc1
[04:34] <outbr1> bsnider: the router is an extreme networks summit 48, iirc
[04:34] <bsnider> check the .27 kernel to see if there's a driver for it
[04:34] <jessica> i shall but i dont think there is
[04:34]  * SebNaitsabes wonders if Jessica will get bored of development Ubuntu after a week to
[04:34] <jessica> is it in alpha 4 now >?
[04:34] <bsnider> i think it's alpha 4
[04:34]  * SebNaitsabes  jessica wants some distro where she will learn a lot
[04:35] <SebNaitsabes> when 's  Ibex beta?
[04:35] <bsnider> a few weeks
[04:35] <jessica> ill test it in alpha
[04:35] <jessica> it be fun
[04:36] <SebNaitsabes> ,but is alpha stable enough to well not screw things up big time?
[04:36] <bsnider> that's subjective
[04:36] <jessica> ill let you know SebNaitsabes
[04:36] <bsnider> the more intel hardware you depend on, the better
[04:36] <jessica> ooo thats good
[04:36] <SebNaitsabes> new Ibex features are?
[04:36] <jessica> i have a intel cpu, intel graphics and intel sound
[04:37] <bsnider> they will all work fine
[04:37] <jessica> hehe i have 2 sound cards :S
[04:37] <SebNaitsabes> hardy seems rather similar to gutsy to me
[04:37] <SebNaitsabes> so I gusss Ibex will seem rather simlar to hardy
[04:37] <jessica> nah
[04:37] <bsnider> gnome is much faster
[04:37] <bsnider> pulseaudio 9.11 is glitch-free
[04:37] <jessica> kde is nice tho well on gutsy it is
[04:37] <SebNaitsabes> you mean no more
[04:37] <jessica> i never botherd with hardy apart from in testing lol
[04:38] <SebNaitsabes> killall pulseaudio?
[04:38] <jessica> i prefer alsa
[04:38] <bsnider> pulseis getting better all the time
[04:38]  * SebNaitsabes dosan't really care as long as his sound works, and wonders what the differences are anyway
[04:38] <bsnider> the volume control is almost on par with vista
[04:39] <jessica> alsa is less to type when in the /etc/init.d/ directry
[04:39] <jessica> o god it dnt work then
[04:39] <jessica> vista is crap
[04:39] <jessica> for everythin
[04:39] <SebNaitsabes> vista is ok
[04:39] <bsnider> vista's userspace sound system is excellent
[04:39]  * jessica slaps SebNaitsabes
[04:39] <jessica> lol
[04:40] <bsnider> and the volume control provides a central place to control all applications that use sound, even if those apps don't have colume controls nomrally (like msn messenger)
[04:40]  * SebNaitsabes  becomes a woman beater :D  and punches  jessica with a virtual punch in the face for it
[04:41] <jessica> bsnider: ive used vist
[04:41] <jessica> *vista
[04:41] <SebNaitsabes> so pulseaudio is not screwed
[04:41] <jessica> the RSOD put me off
[04:41] <SebNaitsabes> ?
[04:41] <SebNaitsabes> RSOD?????
[04:41] <jessica> red screens of death
[04:41] <SebNaitsabes> rythombox etc will just work to play sound with out needing  to killall pulseaudio anymore with  Ibex?
[04:41] <bsnider> yes
[04:42] <jessica> 16mins off download being done
[04:42] <bsnider> but banshee-1 is better than rhythmbox
[04:42] <jessica> brb guys
[04:42] <SebNaitsabes> banshee has no last.fm plugin I think though
[04:42] <bsnider> yes it does
[04:42] <bsnider> you're behind the times
[04:42] <bsnider> i'm talking about banshee-1
[04:42] <bsnider> the new one
[04:42] <SebNaitsabes> rythombox is a pretty shit player, but  it does have last.fm plugin :)  and plays my music and that's the main things
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> a new version in Ibex
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> that is not in hardy?
[04:43] <bsnider> right
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> saying that no backport?
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> or something
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> to get that version in Hardy?
[04:43] <bsnider> actually there's a ppa repo that is for hardy too but you have to add it
[04:43] <SebNaitsabes> what's ppa?
[04:44] <bsnider> http://banshee-project.org/
[04:44] <dmoerner> !ppa
[04:44] <bsnider> you can clearly see the last.fm plugin in the sidebar
[04:45] <SebNaitsabes> so that's the way to get the latest banshee for hardy tehn?
[04:45] <SebNaitsabes> and oh it does video now to
[04:46] <SebNaitsabes> I got Banshe 0.13.2 installed
[04:46] <jessica> back
[04:46] <bsnider> that's been deprecated
[04:46] <jessica> i might be gone again im not sure
[04:46] <SebNaitsabes> oh well that's the one in hardys repo isan't it?  I gues so
[04:46] <bsnider> banshee-1 has a very good daap plugin too
[04:47] <SebNaitsabes> since all my updates are on
[04:47] <bsnider> you have to add the ppa repository
[04:47] <SebNaitsabes> what's daap?
[04:47] <SebNaitsabes> how do I add the ppa repo was that your second link?
[04:47] <jessica> be back again
[04:47] <bsnider> daap is apple's music-sharing protocol. it's a way to share music on a network
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> I see
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> probably won't be using that anytime soon if ever
[04:48] <bsnider> https://edge.launchpad.net/~banshee-team/+archive
[04:48] <bsnider> those are the instructions
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> what are the new features of Ibex?
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> other than more drivers
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> in the kernel
[04:48] <SebNaitsabes> and pulse being fixed
[04:49] <bsnider> it will make your bed and brush your teeth after it gets the morning papers
[04:49] <SebNaitsabes> heh
[04:49] <SebNaitsabes> seriouslely?
[04:49] <RAOF> My laptop fails to boot if not plugged in.  that's a pretty nifty feature
[04:49] <SebNaitsabes> the new features
[04:49] <bsnider> use google for that
[04:50] <RAOF> SebNaitsabes: The new features are pretty much what they always are; new versions of all the apps, bringing in upstream shininess.
[04:50] <murlidhar> can anybody explain me 'what is sd " ?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/42591/
[04:50] <SebNaitsabes> I like getting Ubuntu early, but
[04:51] <murlidhar> line 3
[04:51] <SebNaitsabes> not to early since things can screw up big time
[04:51] <SebNaitsabes> is it still to early to get Ibex?
[04:51] <jessica> hey back
[04:51] <RAOF> SebNaitsabes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview is a more verbose listing of stuff ;
[04:51] <jessica> and to stay
[04:51] <jessica> 7 mins left for my download
[04:51] <SebNaitsabes> do an upgrade from Hardy to Ibex that is
[04:52] <bsnider> that's subjective
[04:52] <RAOF> murlidhar: sd is likely to be your hard drive controller driver (and CDROM driver is likely to be sr).  You don't need to care about those messages; they're only there for kernel devs, really.
[04:52] <SebNaitsabes> when I got gutsy really early
[04:52] <SebNaitsabes> things were fine
[04:52] <SebNaitsabes> did the updates no problems
[04:52] <SebNaitsabes> or maybe there was something minior
[04:52] <SebNaitsabes> ,but then did some update and things screwed up a lot.  untill newer packages
[04:53] <bsnider> you can try newer software on hardy without upgrading to intrepid
[04:53] <SebNaitsabes> yeah and  ppa is the best way to do that or?
[04:53] <bsnider> there's getdeb.net and the ppa stuff that's out there
[04:53] <jessica> hehe
[04:53] <SebNaitsabes> I know about getdeb
[04:53] <murlidhar> RAOF: can u tell me if i have correct drivers installed for my Nic  since i am not ablt to use my nic .
[04:53] <SebNaitsabes> hehe @ what?
[04:53] <murlidhar> able*
[04:53] <murlidhar> You*
[04:54] <RAOF> murlidhar: Yes, you have the correct drivers for at least one of your NICs
[04:54] <jessica> hehe im comming from a rpm based distro
[04:54] <SebNaitsabes> so  for a fixed pulseaudio I need Ibex?
[04:54] <murlidhar> RAOF: got only one NIC
[04:54] <jessica> so it could b intresting
[04:55] <SebNaitsabes> RPM from my FC2 and FC4 days was not that different from the Deb installer thing we have for Ubuntu now
[04:55] <murlidhar> RAOF: the internet i am using right now is from my cellphone
[04:56] <SebNaitsabes> RPM was like click and install
[04:56] <SebNaitsabes> Debs can be like that now as well in Ubuntu
[04:56] <SebNaitsabes> and that's been a while
[04:56] <jessica> lol
[04:56] <RAOF> murlidhar: It looks like your eth0 drivers are fine.
[04:56] <murlidhar> RAOF: could u get my NIC working since  i don't see eth0 in ifconfig
[04:57] <LSD|Ninja> murlidhar: what sort of NIC is it? All the common ones should have native drivers...
[04:58] <murlidhar> intex 8139D LSD|Ninja
[04:58] <murlidhar> wired one
[04:59] <LSD|Ninja> murlidhar: Realtek should be supported just fine
[04:59] <SebNaitsabes> you guys know that theme mockup
[04:59] <SebNaitsabes> the one tha looks like Mac OS X
[04:59] <SebNaitsabes> sort of
[04:59] <SebNaitsabes> and well Ubuntu
[04:59] <SebNaitsabes> is that really going to become the theme for Ibex or not?
[04:59] <jessica> yh
[04:59] <LSD|Ninja> No idea but so long as it's not brown, I'll give it a chance
[04:59] <jessica> hehe
[05:00] <jessica> u like the brown theme ?
[05:00] <SebNaitsabes> that theme is  better than the default  Ubuntu look grey
[05:00] <murlidhar> the output i got from lshw is this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/42593/
[05:00] <Cycom> Personally, I like a mix of newhuman and ubuntu studio.
[05:00] <SebNaitsabes> I read an artice or whatever that was like they should be copying gOS
[05:00] <SebNaitsabes> since that looks nice
[05:00] <murlidhar> it says that my card is disabled .
[05:01] <jessica> ok my ubuntu is up in virtualbox
[05:01] <SebNaitsabes> Mac look for me or just the default.  or  uhmmmmmm  that default blueish  theme whaever that was heh
[05:01] <murlidhar> the module loaded is fealnx. i also tried loading 8139cp and 8139too .
[05:03] <jessica> its no diffrent
[05:04] <murlidhar> anyone?
[05:05] <bsnider> it says network is disabled, not that your card is
[05:06] <murlidhar> bsnider: and the solution is ?
[05:07] <bsnider> what does ifconfig say?
[05:07] <bsnider> is it eth0?
[05:07] <bsnider> if so, sudo ifup eth00000
[05:07] <bsnider> eth0 i mean
[05:08] <murlidhar> ifconfig doesn't show eth0 . it shows only lo and ppp0 ( My cellphone from which i am connected to )
[05:08] <bsnider> network-manager only allows one connection at a time
[05:09] <murlidhar> bsnider: i am using lxnm
[05:09] <bsnider> have you tried it without the cellphone in there?
[05:09] <murlidhar> bsnider: i tried disconnecting ppp0 and even then i don't see eth0
[05:09] <bsnider> well, disconnect it and then do sudo ifup eth0
[05:09] <murlidhar> or any other card for that matter except lc
[05:10] <murlidhar> or any other card for that matter except lo
[05:10] <murlidhar> bsnider: tried that earlier
[05:10] <bsnider> what happens?
[05:11] <murlidhar> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[05:11] <murlidhar> bsnider: brb
[05:12] <bsnider> i'd certainly start with a plain version of all of the configuration files
[05:12] <bsnider> if you're using mobile broadband who knows what the network config files look like now
[05:12] <bsnider> probably look like the treatment for kevin smith's superman script
[05:13] <murlidhar> bsnider: nope Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[05:13] <murlidhar> that's the only message i get . moreover i don't see the lan light on my router .
[05:14] <bsnider> when you set up your cell phone to act as an internet device, did you do anything crazy to get it working?
[05:15] <murlidhar> nope bsnider
[05:15] <murlidhar> bsnider: all i do is sudo wvdial .
[05:15] <bsnider> what exactly was the procedure?
[05:15] <murlidhar> just set up my wvdial.conf once . at /etc/wvdial.conf
[05:16] <murlidhar> that's it
[05:16] <bsnider> did your lan card work before that file was there?
[05:16] <murlidhar> nope tried that too .
[05:16] <bsnider> when was the last time the lan card worked?
[05:17] <murlidhar> it worked in gutsy .
[05:17] <bsnider> a year ago?
[05:17] <murlidhar> since then i was out of touch with the comp world .
[05:17] <bsnider> did you upgrade or doa  fresh install?
[05:17] <murlidhar> broadband to be exact.
[05:18] <bsnider> upgrade from gutsy or fresh install?
[05:18] <murlidhar> fresh install
[05:18] <bsnider> try this
[05:18] <bsnider> boot from the hardy live-cd
[05:18] <murlidhar> dual booting hardy and ibex now.
[05:19] <bsnider> does it work in hardy?
[05:19] <murlidhar> nope
[05:19] <murlidhar> ibex is base install
[05:19] <bsnider> does it work booting from the hardy livecd?
[05:19] <bsnider> does it work with another linux distro, like suse or fedora?
[05:20] <murlidhar> never tried it. i normally use alternate cd .
[05:20] <murlidhar> k i try from some other distro .
[05:20] <bsnider> every livecd should have the drivers and networking software necessary to get it working
[05:20] <murlidhar> will
[05:20] <murlidhar> *
[05:20] <bsnider> try it in different ones and see of it works there, and then if it does, report a bug
[05:21] <murlidhar> ok bsnider
[05:21] <murlidhar> thank bsnider
[05:21] <murlidhar> thanks bsnider
[05:21] <bsnider> no prob
[05:21] <bsnider> now i'm going to go watch clint kill a lot of people
[05:45] <MellowDude> how i get the alpha version of 8.10
[06:09] <murlidhar> how to burn an iso file in xcdburner
[06:10] <alexandro> hi"/connect irc.ubuntu.com"
[06:10] <alexandro> hi
[06:11] <alexandro> hello
[06:14] <murlidhar> how to burn an iso file in xcdroast
[06:15] <LSD|Ninja> lol, that's even still around?
[06:27] <alexandro> what up
[07:29] <suornam> hi i installed nvidia-glx-177 with Driver "nvidia" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and when i type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart i get this error message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:30] <suornam> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[07:31] <suornam> locate nvidia.ko gives me /lib/modules/2.6.27-2-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko /lib/modules/last-good-boot/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/177.70/2.6.27-2-generic/i686/module/nvidia.ko /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/177.70/build/nvidia.ko
[07:32] <suornam> if i type sudo modprobe nvidia i get FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[07:34] <suornam> i googled around for a few bugs because nvidia-glx-177 wouldn't install properly and it took me a while to even get that setup
[07:34] <suornam> if anyone can help me get hardware 3d acceleration back again i'd really appreciate it
[07:35] <suornam> for now i'm stuck with nv :(
[07:37] <DanaG> suornam: sudo invoke-rc.d dkms_autoinstaller stop && sudo invoke-rc.d dkms_autoinstaller start
[07:41] <suornam> DanaG: no luck it still fails. i'll check Xorg.0.log to find out why
[07:41] <suornam> same line comes up from Xorg.0.log
[07:41] <suornam> lsmod | grep nvidia comes up with nothing
[07:42] <DanaG> Hmm, did the build by dkms_autoinstaller work?
[07:42] <suornam> i think so, otherwise a .ko wouldn't appear right?
[07:50] <suornam> i just fully updated too. nothing in the update seemed to suggest a fix :(
[07:50] <suornam> just did a sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx-177
[07:50] <suornam> no errors or warnings from dpkg or otherwise
[07:53] <suornam> DanaG: do you mind if i spam the channel with ~10 lines?
[07:53] <suornam> it's the output from /var/log/Xorg.0.log (at least the relevant nvidia bit)
[07:54] <RAOF> Better to pastebin the whole thing.
[07:54] <suornam> hmm, okay, i'll stop being lazy
[07:56] <RAOF> No, keep being lazy.  Install pastebinit :)
[07:56] <RAOF> Then run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[08:03] <suornam> http://pastebin.com/d2b10f8a9 -> Xorg.0.log
[08:03] <suornam> i think the bigger problem is that i can't get modprobe nvidia to work
[08:03] <suornam> rather, sudo modprobe nvidia to be consistent
[08:12] <suornam> oh you're joking
[08:13] <suornam> sudo depmod -ae and sudo modprobe nvidia got it to load the module
[08:13] <suornam> now to test if it works with accelerated graphics
[08:14] <suornam> :)
[08:15] <suornam> why isn't depmod -ae run by default on boot? i suppose i can add this to my /etc/rc.local, but that's a hack
[08:15] <RAOF> suornam: File A Bug(tm)? :)
[08:17] <suornam> perhaps. but i'm usually too shy and attribute it to some sort of mistake on my part
[08:19] <suornam> so in the future, when i upgrade my kernel (which i suspect will happen a lot until the release of intrepid) what do i have to do with the graphics driver?
[08:19] <suornam> i used to do everything from the nvidia installer before and depending on whether X didn't work, i'd reinstall the nvidia graphics driver
[08:19] <RAOF> You shouldn't _have_ to do anything; it should just work (or, alternatively, fail to build the kernel module against the new kernel, in which case you wait for a new patch ;))
[08:19] <suornam> today i decided to get rid of the installer and just use whatever the repositories give me
[08:19] <suornam> ah, that's lovely
[08:20] <suornam> thanks everyone. now back to doing real productive non-work again
[09:36] <aimaz> I tried upgrading a virtual machine from 8.04 to intrepid using update-manager -d and I now have a kernel panic
[09:37] <aimaz> I made a snapshot of the vm before the reboot, is this useful to developers?
[09:44] <Hobbsee> aimaz: i believe that was documented (the fact that it didn't work) in the release notes, for the past few tribes.
[09:46] <aimaz> yeah, I've spotted the bug in launchpad now
[09:46]  * Hobbsee grumbles at compiz, freezing when it locks her screen.
[09:47] <Hobbsee> and i actually discovered something bad, for when you press and hold the power button to power off a computer.  finally.
[09:48] <LSD|Ninja> o_O
[09:50] <Hobbsee> emma: btw, for u-restricted-extras, you'll find that each architecture has a different set of dependancies.  You're right on your guess that the different arches get different packages installed.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> (if you were interested)
[09:51] <Hobbsee> you'll also find that kubuntu, and xubuntu versions exist, as appropriate
[09:53] <vistakiller> aimaz what cpu you have?
[09:53] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Apparently unsetting "unredirect fullscreen windows" will unkill your screensaver.
[09:53] <vistakiller> try to enable VT-x/AMD-v
[09:53] <aimaz> vistakiller: model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7250  @ 2.00GHz
[09:54] <aimaz> VT-x is enabled in the VM settings
[09:54] <Hobbsee> RAOF: oh, that's interesting.  how and where do i set that?
[09:54] <vistakiller> in generic pref
[09:54] <vistakiller> but try to enable ineach virtual machine settings
[09:54] <vistakiller> is two settings
[09:54] <vistakiller> one in generic and on in virtual machine
[09:54] <aimaz> ah yes, I only had the one
[09:54] <aimaz> trying again
[09:55] <vistakiller> right click in vm and settings
[09:57] <aimaz> I have the one in VirtualBox preferences and in the vm settings screens both enabled now and it still happens unfortunatly
[09:57] <vistakiller> i have done this and i can boot normal in ibex
[09:58] <vistakiller> right click>settings>general>advanced>Enable Vt-x/AMD-v?
[10:02] <aimaz> I've done that, do I need to set something in the host bios
[10:02] <vistakiller> there is a bug report here take a look
[10:02] <vistakiller> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246067
[10:03] <aimaz> yeah, I'm reading the comments on there, but some people seem to want it disabled and others want it enabled
[10:03] <aimaz> very strange
[10:03] <Oli``> Loads of python-using apps don't work for me (Software Sources, Gwibber, compiz). All their crashes end in "SystemError in <module>()" - any ideas?
[10:09] <aimaz> Oli``: can you pastebin some more of the output from a couple?
[10:13] <RAOF> Hobbsee: In compizconfig settings manager, core options.
[10:14] <Oli``> aimaz: http://paste2.org/p/68949
[10:15] <aimaz> "SystemError: error return without exception set" usually happens when you run a program and it exits with an error I believe
[10:16] <Hobbsee> RAOF: will try that, thanks
[10:18] <marekt> hi, do you know why knetworkmanager doesnt connect to the wifi?
[10:18] <marekt> it did from live usb
[10:18] <marekt> and also during first login
[10:19] <aimaz> Oli``: what i mean is when the program runs a subprocess or perhaps uses a library
[10:20] <aimaz> so it's not neccesarily a problem with the python
[10:21] <Oli``> They're both locking up at gtk.gdk.threads_init() is that's a clue
[10:21] <Oli``> (I hadn't noticed that before)
[10:21] <Oli``> But if it's a subprocess, how would I trace that?
[10:23] <aimaz> well you can probably see the python code for that function
[10:24] <aimaz> python -c "import gtk;print gtk.__file__"
[10:24] <aimaz> that will tell you where the gtk module is
[10:28] <aimaz> the gdk module looks like a c module
[10:29] <Oli``> yeah that came back with /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.pyc and that's a mildly binary file
[10:38] <aimaz> pyc is the compiled form of the .py
[10:45] <afief> Is is just me or can mplayer and avidemux really not exist together on the same system?
[10:46] <afief> looks like each depends on a different lame library which will not cooperate
[10:55] <RAOF> afief: That's entirely possible; mplayer needs a rebuild against the new lame, I believe.
[10:58] <Hobbsee> dear eclipse, WTF are you on?  Please stop it.  kthxbye.
[11:00] <Hobbsee> crazy data collector - although i guess this isn't the ubuntu version
[11:00] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Trying to package 3.4, or just complaining about it in general? :)
[11:01] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it wanted to submit data on how i was using the workbench.
[11:01] <RAOF> That's a little crazy.
[11:02] <RAOF> Argh.  Can you help me hit upstreams with a copyright stick?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought, too.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> grrr
[12:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: that doens't fix it.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you'd have thought i'd learn to close konvi *before* that happened.
[12:32] <gnomefreak> anyone else not have a system beep?
[12:36] <Pici> gnomefreak: snd_pcsp was blacklisted due to some issues with vmware crashing and also a horrible horrible screetching noise upon bootup.  See bug 246969.
[12:36] <gnomefreak> Pici: thanks
[12:40] <gnomefreak> Pici: that is constand noise but im looking for a missing audible system beep (like the one you hear when you are pinged on IRC
[12:40] <gnomefreak> constant
[12:41] <Pici> gnomefreak: I thought that used the pc speaker.
[12:43] <Myrtti> it does
[12:43] <gnomefreak> it may i just got done reading it, the first half is all about vmware freezing on login
[12:43] <Myrtti> I'm not running wmware and am not hearing any screetching noises - so I'll ignore that and enable the module
[12:43]  * Myrtti shrugs
[12:44] <Pici> Myrtti: Neither was I.
[12:44] <gnomefreak> how to enable a blacklisted module?
[12:44] <G_009> it does.. the issue i had with snd_pcsp was pulseaudio related, where all sound was being piped to pc speaker.. blacklisting said module was the solution
[12:44] <Pici> gnomefreak: see /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[12:44] <gnomefreak> just shy of rebuilding module-init-tools
[12:44] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:44] <Pici> gnomefreak: Thats where I got the bug# from/
[12:45] <Myrtti> well... I'm not running pulse-audio on this machine, so I've got even less to worry
[12:47] <gnomefreak> Pici: i see it at bottom
[12:47] <gnomefreak> be back soon
[12:58] <gnomefreak> Pici: worked like a charm thanks
[12:58] <Pici> gnomefreak: anytime
[13:06] <Dedi> LARTC - want to limit all upload from a specific ip to 20kb/s. anyone that knows it and want to save me alot of time to read into this topic? :D
[13:24] <G_009> tried to use dictionary and it's results are blank for any word
[13:32] <G_009> dictionary error: Error while looking up definition
[13:32] <G_009> Connection timeout for the dictionary server at 'dict.org:2628'
[13:35] <G_009> gvfsd crashed (again) right after login too
[14:11] <electro> I've been getting an error recently since I installed KDE4.  "Error maximum number of clients in use".  Its not tied to Xlib as far as I can tell, but it refuses to open any new X apps until X is restarted.  Has anyone else run into this issue?  Thanks!
[15:02] <hdevalence> hello. When I run apt-get upgrade I get a message saying "The following packages have been kept back: <list>". How do I find why they are being kep tback and fix it?
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> they probably install new packages
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade packages that also install new packages
[15:03] <hdevalence> ah. thanks, I'll try that
[15:04] <hdevalence> learn something new every day :D
[15:05] <hdevalence> JontheEchidna: When I run that it installs new ones and ugrades most of them but there are still a bunch that are kept back. Should I rerun apt-get dist-upgrade after it finishes?
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> you could try sudo apt-get install on the few that didnt' get upgraged
[15:06] <hdevalence> JontheEchidna: thanks
[15:08] <mluser-home> Anyone know if intrepid networkmanager's vpn plugins are broken?
[16:08] <cyphase> what's this new status icon in the user switcher?
[16:09] <cyphase> ah, controlling pidgin.. it doesn't seem to work though..
[16:21] <danbhfive> doesn't work, and I'm not sure I like it, since its also the shutdown menu.   I'd prefer to keep those separate, but I'm open..
[16:39] <Oli``> I'm having real problems getting links to open in firefox (my default browser) from some apps. Opening a link from within xchat for example likes to flitter between epiphany and opera
[16:41] <`Matir> Oli``, I had that same problem.  'sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' fixed it for me.
[16:42] <Oli``> Top sausage, `Matir! Thank you!
[16:43] <`Matir> no problem
[16:46] <DanielRM> cyphase: it controls Empathy, not Pidgin.
[16:47] <DanielRM> Has anyone been having segfaults with Python apps?
[16:48] <Oli``> DanielRM: not segfaults - but I've been having a few python apps that just won't load (they stumble when initing gtk)
[16:50] <quentusrex> What is the best internal PCI wireless card to use with Ubuntu? Something that can handle WEP, and WPA's ? The most stable and easy to configure?
[16:54] <void^> the "best" is a little difficult, i'm quite happy with my intel 3945
[16:57] <cyphase> DanielRM: the patch says pidgin, and it's certainly interacting with pidgin in some way
[16:57] <DanielRM> cyphase: it works very well with Empathy but I've seen nothing happen with Pidgin.
[16:58] <DanielRM> cyphase: still, if the patch mentions interaction with Pidgin then I'm not one to argue.
[16:58] <dominique> Is anyone else having problems with GNOME not starting up?
[16:59] <DanielRM> cyphase: I would guess that it's designed for Empathy, though; there's been much discussion over replacing Pidgin with it, and the icons for the states also match Empathy's.
[16:59] <DanielRM> dominique: in what way?
[17:00] <cyphase> DanielRM: if i set a status in pidgin, it won't change in fusa, but if i set fusa to that status, it will change fusa to show that status. also, from any status, if i set fusa to online, it will change pidgin
[17:00] <dominique> Well, I can log in, but then it gives the error "Your session lasted less than 10 seconds," and saves a logfile.  Should I paste my .xsessione-errors file somewhere so you can see it?
[17:01] <dominique> .xsession-errors, I mean
[17:08] <dominique> What's a good site to paste the content of .xsession-errors?  Since I don't want to spam by pasting it here.
[17:09] <void^> pastebin.ca
[17:10] <dominique> Okay, here's what the xsession-errors file looks like: http://pastebin.ca/1191608
[17:12] <void^> some Xgl issue probably (why use Xgl anyway?)
[17:14] <dominique> I'll try uninstalling it, then
[17:17] <hardy> Hi, I have Radeon 3450 card in my new laptop, and I guess I am using the radeon driver but lsmod doesn't display it, any explanation?
[17:17] <cyphase> DanielRM: btw.. http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/f/fast-user-switch-applet/fast-user-switch-applet_2.22.0+svn20080815-0ubuntu1/changelog
[18:04] <Cycom> are the mirrors slow today?
[18:10] <Oli``> Is the mouse not turning off the screensaver a known issue?
[18:13] <IdleOne> Oli``: I am having the same issues. have to hard reboot :/
[18:13] <IdleOne> very annoying
[18:14] <Matir`> Anyone else having frequent X lockups when X is idle?
[18:14] <Oli``> IdleOne: oh pressing an key on the keyboard fixes mine - so it's not *that* annoying.. I just wondered if I had broken something on my own or if it was a wider issue
[18:14] <Matir`> reboot issue?
[18:17] <x1250> wouldn't be best that the Add/Remove application didn't show at all packages that can't be removed? Its kind of silly that shows packages which only can be removed using the console or synaptic
[18:19] <_debg_> hi. any one got the wifi plasmoid working on kde 4.1 ? All I see after installing is just an empty box ..
[18:20] <Myrtti> whut, no moosplash on intrepid yet? I is disappointed :-þ
[18:26] <hardy> Cycom: it's you who gave me  some hints yesterday with ati?
[18:28] <hardy> There is something wrong here. My Radeon 3450 3D features are not supported under the free radeon driver yet, and I cannot use fglrx under my new xorg 7.4 because fglrx is not supported yet, but glxinfo show direct rendering = yes!!
[18:29] <electro> On an ASA, with filtering outbound traffic, if I try to initiate a connection over a blocked port, does the RST,ACK appear to be from the IP of the far end or the ASA itself?
[18:30] <Matir`> hardy, VESA now supports direct rendering, it's just not hardware accelerated
[18:32] <hardy> Matir`: what VESA means here? I am using radeon, no?
[18:33] <Matir`> hardy: VESA is the default fallback driver.  If you are using the radeon driver (and "renderer" in glxinfo shows that) and you have direct rendering, then you should have hardware acceleration
[18:33] <dominique> When I try to startx, it says "no screens found".  Here's the last part of the Xorg.0.log file: http://pastebin.ca/1191683
[18:34] <hardy> Matir`: glxinfo shows 'OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer', so this means I am using VESA not radeon?
[18:35] <Matir`> yep
[18:35] <Matir`> that's my understanding, anyway
[18:38] <dominique> Does anybody else have the "no screens found" problem?
[18:38] <crdlb> dominique: you cannot use fglrx at the moment
[18:39] <crdlb> if you card is reasonably old, switch to "ati" for the open source driver
[18:39] <crdlb> otherwise you'll need to use vesa
[18:39] <dominique> Ah, mmkay
[18:40] <dominique> How would I switch to the vesa driver?
[18:40] <crdlb> well, what model ATI card is it?
[18:42] <dominique> RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M?
[18:43] <crdlb> just use the open source driver then
[18:43] <crdlb> edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change Driver "fglrx" to Driver "ati"
[18:43] <crdlb> and uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx if you want 3d acceleration to work
[18:43] <dominique> Kay, I'll try that
[18:46] <dominique> Thanks for the help ;D
[18:46] <dominique> If I'm not back, it probably worked.
[19:03] <electro> I've been getting an error recently since I installed KDE4.  "Error maximum number of clients in use".  Its not tied to Xlib as far as I can tell, but it refuses to open any new X apps until X is restarted.  Has anyone else run into this issue?  Thanks!
[19:05] <dominique> I replaced fglrx with ati in xorg.conf, and now at least X starts up, but the mouse/cursor is completely unresponsive.
[19:06] <crdlb> dominique: pastebin your full Xorg.0.log
[19:10] <dominique> http://pastebin.ca/1191724
[19:13] <crdlb> dominique: is xserver-xorg-input-mouse installed?
[19:13] <crdlb> also, you'll need to reboot completely for 3d acceleration since fglrx module is apparently still loaded
[19:15] <dominique> Yep, it's installed.  And I've rebooted twice already, also trying the vesa drivers.
[19:15] <crdlb> oh, I just noticed lines 43 to 45
[19:15] <crdlb> those really should be at least (WW) ...
[19:16] <dominique> Hmm
[19:17] <dominique> Should I change the input device to Synaptics Touchpad?
[19:27] <dominique> And should I change the "glx" module to something else?
[19:49] <dominique> Be back a bit later.
[19:56] <x1250> Matir`, I have this line in glxinfo, does it mean I'm using hardware accel?
[19:56] <x1250> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL
[19:58] <Matir`> yep, if direct rendering is yes as well
[20:08] <Abed> can connect linux to a particual device
[20:16] <DrHalan1> hey
[20:16] <DrHalan1> i cant startup software-sources anymore. it directly crashes. synaptic works fine though
[20:16] <DrHalan1> did taht occur to someone already
[20:23] <bsnider> anyone having trouble with ubuntu-system-panel?
[20:24] <DrHalan1> bsnider:  no but with software sources..
[20:26] <Ampelbein> DrHalan1: happens for me to.
[20:26] <DrHalan1> what does your apport say
[20:26] <Ampelbein> DrHalan1: You filed a bug already?
[20:26] <DrHalan1> mine mentions nvidia glx
[20:27] <Ampelbein> DrHalan1: Where? In non-free kernel modules? Thats ok.
[20:27] <DrHalan1> no didnt file it yet
[20:27] <DrHalan1> just occured
[20:28] <DrHalan1> updateing sources trough synaptic works fine
[20:28] <x1250> Matir`, yes, direct rendering is yes too, thanks
[20:28] <Ampelbein> DrHalan1: see bug #263767
[20:31] <DrHalan1> Ampelbein: yeah thats it thanks
[20:33] <DrHalan1> was someone able to compile pidgin 2.5.1 alread
[20:34] <DrHalan1> it has some problems with the perl package
[20:34] <x1250>  no nautilus open terminal in repos? :(
[20:34] <DrHalan1> cause you cant nistall perl-2.8 on intrepid
[20:34] <DrHalan1> x1250: what do you mean?
[20:35] <x1250> DrHalan1, I can't find that nautilus extension on the repos
[20:36] <DrHalan1> ah okay
[20:42] <x1250> damn, I need my fglrx driver :(, radeon driver is not good enough for 3D.
[20:43] <DrHalan1> i need em too :P
[20:43] <DrHalan1> but you can jsut wait for amd to fix it
[20:43] <DrHalan1> do you guys know why i cant select zlib license on google code?
[20:45] <pwnguin> well, we dont run google code
[20:45] <DrHalan1> yeah i know
[20:45] <pwnguin> but i hear they want to stop license profileration, so they dont let you use it
[20:45] <DrHalan1> was just wondering if zlib isnt that popular as source license
[20:45] <pwnguin> i dont think you can use agpl either
[20:45] <pwnguin> is zlib even OSI?
[20:46] <DrHalan1> artistic gpl ? tahts possible
[20:46] <DrHalan1> yeah it is osi
[20:46] <lukehasnoname> There is/was a drama about how google was indirectly supressing the use of AGPL because it would force them to disclose any code they use in THEIR services.
[20:47] <lukehasnoname> Affero GPL
[20:47] <DrHalan1> oh im not so much used to license
[20:47] <DrHalan1> i just though i could make parts of my code opensouce
[20:47] <DrHalan1> and zlib is small and really liberal
[20:47] <lukehasnoname> BSD/MIT is 'liberal' too, let me go read zlib
[20:48] <DrHalan1> zlib allows everythhing but you must not claim that its your coded
[20:48] <DrHalan1> code*
[20:49] <lukehasnoname> that's basically BSD, but I must admit I like zlib's wording better. in any case, for your purposes, I would bet BSD would serve well.
[20:49] <DrHalan1> hm
[20:50] <DrHalan1> i dont think theyll kill me if i just set it to bsd
[20:50] <DrHalan1> is there any difference to "new BSD"?
[20:51] <lukehasnoname> no
[20:51] <lukehasnoname> use "new"
[21:12] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[21:36] <trontonic> Hi, dpkg --configure -a doesn't want to complete. I would be happy if I could reset it somehow - I know which package is causing problems. Any ideas?
[21:37] <trontonic> Setting up libc6 (2.8~20080505-0ubuntu6) ...
[21:37] <trontonic> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[21:37] <trontonic> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[21:37] <trontonic> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[21:37] <trontonic> dpkg: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[21:37] <trontonic> I have reported it as a bug, but I still need a workaround
[21:37] <Oli``> Well I'm in a bit of a bother. I forced python-gobject to an older version to see if it fixed a bug I'm having because somebody in the thread suggested that it worked. It hasn't made any difference and when I try to force it back to the current version or mark it for upgrade, it says it needs to remove almost every facet of ubuntu-desktop. How can I get it back to a current version?
[21:39] <bsnider> everybody probably has that problem right now
[21:39] <bsnider> which version of python-gobject do you have now?
[21:40] <Oli``> bsnider: 2.15.2-0ubuntu1
[21:41] <bsnider> yeah, that's what i've got too
[21:41] <Oli``> and latest is 2.15.3-0ubuntu2
[21:41] <bsnider> right
[21:41] <bsnider> i'm leaving it alone
[21:41] <Oli``> oh right - so I didn't actually force it anywhere, it's just knackered?
[21:42] <bsnider> i've got the same problem and i didn't force anything
[21:42] <IdleOne> Oli``: I have 15.2 installed and 15.3 as candidate but it is being held back
[21:42] <IdleOne> it is global issue it seems not just you
[21:42] <Oli``> Well that's a weight off my shoulders. I hate it when I break things unnecessarily =)
[21:43] <bsnider> probably something to do with dependencies or the numbering systme being fried on that package. it will be withdrawn and reissued
[21:46] <bsnider> that package says it depends on python greater than or equal to 2.4 BUT not as high as 2.6, which uh... whatever
[21:53] <siegie> Wil the language packages for kde4 be updated anywhere soon? kde-l10n-nl
[22:02] <x1250> no beagle in universe repo? I want to try it, since I dropped tracker.
[22:06] <RAOF> Yes, beagle's in Universe.
[22:07] <bsnider> beagle is in universe
[22:09] <x1250> bah, can't find it, I'll change my repos then
[22:10] <bsnider> your sources.llist must be a bit bleeped up
[22:18] <electro> I've been getting an error recently since I installed KDE4.  "Error maximum number of clients in use".  Its not tied to Xlib as far as I can tell, but it refuses to open any new X apps until X is restarted.  Has anyone else run into this issue?  Thanks!
[22:26] <x1250> lol, my local chilean repository was missing 19.000 packages :S. Changed to germany and now I found beagle.
[22:32] <x1250> is software-properties-gtk buggy? I had to change the repos by hand in sources.list; it died saying: SystemError: error return without exception set
[23:00] <edgy> Hi, I cannot log to kubuntu any more after latest updates, is it only me? how can I debug this?
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> what happens when you try?
[23:09] <edgy> JontheEchidna: I just found this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/258861 I would try his trick to remove that file, may be it works
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> so you can log in, but you get a grey screen?
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> well, white
[23:13] <edgy> JontheEchidna: yes
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> then plasma is crashing on startup and yes, that trick probably would work
[23:18] <x1250> try rm -rf your ~/.kde4, but you'll lose any custom config you had before. It worked for me a lot when I was using kde4 alpha 3..96 on debian
[23:18] <x1250> 3.96*
[23:19] <x1250> or better rename it :P
[23:20] <DanaG> YEah.  rm is bad advice; mv is better.
[23:25] <s000501> Some tips if I could safely use rsync version 3 in Ubuntu 8.04 through backporting from Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex?
[23:25] <x1250> anyone having this horrible dependency problem today? http://paste.ubuntu.com/42849/
[23:34] <DanaG> Ooh... 105 updates.
[23:34] <DanaG>  Yay:  "      - No more overlapping desktop icons, when files are added or volumes mounted while Nautilus is not running. This is implemented with metadata timestamps when the desktop icons are laid out."
[23:41] <x1250> my deadly upgrade says:   python-gobject: Breaks: python-gtk2 (< 2.13) but 2.12.1-6ubuntu1 is installed.
[23:54] <DrHalan1> DanaG:  yeah sounds cool