[01:04] <Nibbler> hi
[01:05] <Nibbler> i noticed ubuntu-mobile is in the default 8.04 repository - is there a way to activate this, so to try it out on a desktop with touchscreen?
[01:14] <persia> Nibbler: Not easily.  The 8.04 repositories contain only about 95% of what was in the Ubuntu MID release, and so expose a number of known bugs (including hard crashes).  Also, Ubuntu MID is fairly firmly tied to the lpia architecture right now.
[01:15] <persia> You could reinstall your desktop with Ubuntu MID to play with it, but you'd probably do better to launch the KVM image and use that.  The touchscreen ought send the right information to KVM.
[04:53] <smp4488> is there a development package for mobile?
[05:06] <persia> smp4488: Not a specific package.  Development is done on a per-package basis for the packages that are part of Ubuntu Mobile, and then collected into the resulting images.
[05:06] <persia> What are you trying to accomplish?  I may be able to suggest something.
[05:12] <smp4488> im trying to get a car pc interface going
[05:12] <smp4488> i looked at nghost but i like the mobile interface better
[05:16] <smp4488> any suggestions?
[05:19] <persia> Do you have target hardware?  Have you tried installing the Ubuntu MID images on that hardware?
[05:23] <smp4488> i have it running on my main pc in xephyr
[05:23] <persia> Ah.  I'll recommend against that.  My experience was that many things that worked in Xephy didn't work on actual hardware, and vice-cersa.
[05:23] <persia> You might try running the KVM image in a virtual environment to play with it.
[05:24] <smp4488> gotcha
[05:24] <smp4488> right now im just trying to get a feel for it
[05:25] <persia> Once you have a working install, you should be able to install any binary packages created for the lpia architecture on that install, to test various changes.
[05:26] <smp4488> so what all has already been implemented, bluetooth gps?
[05:26] <persia> You can create binary packages for the lpia architecture using a variety of build systems, working against an lpia chroot on nearly any x86 or x86_64 system.  I personally use sbuild, although pbuilder has a number of advocates.
[05:27] <persia> So, the workflow depends on the goal.  Either adjust things on an install, or otherwise determine some change you want to try.
[05:27] <persia> Make those changes to a source package, and then build a binary package for lpia that matches the source package.
[05:27] <persia> Install that binary package on your install, and test the result.
[05:28] <smp4488> ok bear with me in new to all this
[05:29] <persia> Bluetooth works mostly, although there are still some issues.  I don't have GPS hardware, so haven't tested that.
[05:29] <persia> The touch interface works fairly well, although the lack of a screen rotation applet is a bit unfortunate for tablet use (depending on content).
[05:30] <smp4488> well my hopes are still high
[05:31] <smp4488> my car pc is out in the garage so right now im testing it on my pc just to get everything figured out
[05:32] <persia> Makes sense.  For device enablement, I do recommend having the hardware on the desk, as some things are a little different in a virtual environment, but for basic application functionality, etc. working directly on the device is likely sufficient.
[05:32] <persia> Err.  working directly in a *virtual environment* is likely sufficient
[05:33] <smp4488> i do agree it is better to have your actual hardware but i would rather develop on my main pc untill i get the feel for everything
[05:35] <smp4488> i can run hildon from my main install but in the chrooted environment i already get errors
[05:36] <smp4488> /usr/bin/mas no such file or directory
[05:38] <persia> Yeah, that's why I suggest not using Xephyr.  You'll find a virtual install much more likely to work cleanly.
[05:39] <smp4488> ok so where do i start with that, virtual machiene?
[05:42] <smp4488> KVM i assume
[05:44] <persia>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mobile/releases/hardy/ has an image for KVM which is probably a good place to start.
[05:44] <persia> You can use apt-get to add more packages to that image later.
[05:46] <smp4488> ok we will see how that goes
[06:03] <smp4488> i am having trouble with KVM is ther a channel for that?
[06:08] <persia> What sort of trouble?  For something simple and about the image, we might be able to help here.  For more complex questions, #ubuntu-virt is probably better.
[06:08] <smp4488> im getting errors about hardware acceleration
[06:12] <persia> Ah.  Does `grep vm /proc/cpuinfo` produce any output?
[06:14] <smp4488> yes
[06:14] <smp4488> a bunch of flags
[06:14] <persia> OK.  I'm going to guess that you have the virtualisation extensions turned off in your bios.
[06:15] <smp4488> yea thats what someone else said
[06:15] <persia> Alternately, it may be that the necessary kernel modules aren't loaded.
[06:15] <smp4488> im going to reboot and look
[06:15] <smp4488> where would the setting be in the bios?
[06:15] <persia> Does `sudo modprobe kvm` help?
[06:15] <persia> In mine, it's under "Advanced", but that may not mean much :)
[06:15] <smp4488> yea it works
[06:15] <smp4488> it loaded the module
[06:16] <persia> Can you run kvm with the module loaded?  Might just be the missing module.
[06:16] <smp4488> i can load that module but when i try to load kvm-amd i get errors
[06:16] <smp4488> opperation not supported
[06:17] <smp4488> i will brb let me reboot and see what i can find
[06:26] <smp4488_> you still here
[06:26] <smp4488_> i couldnt find anything in the bios
[06:26] <smp4488_> im on my laptop now
[06:27] <persia> Annoying that.  And the kvm module is loaded, and KVM still doesn't work?  I wouldn't expect that if /proc/cpuinfo contained some vm* flag.
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[06:28] <persia> My apologies, but my knowledge of how it ought work doesn't extend much further: you might try on #ubuntu-virt.
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[06:28]  * persia blames synaptics
[06:28] <smp4488_> im going to reboot and se what i can come up with
[06:29] <smp4488_> you think it may be something in the kernel?
[06:29] <persia> Good luck.
[06:29] <persia> Well, I don't know that much about KVM, but I do know that it requires a kernel module to run, and that the kernel module requires some capabilities in the processor.
[06:30] <persia> I believe that one can detect this with `grep vm /proc/cpuinfo`, but I may be mistaken.
[06:30] <persia> I know some BIOSes turn off the virtualisation, or have turning it on or off as an option.  I'm not sure how this works other than for the one of my machines that supports KVM (most of them don't)
[06:38] <smp4488__> this is lame
[06:39] <smp4488__> i need to update my bios
[06:49] <gfcs> hey guys
[06:49] <gfcs> one question
[06:50] <gfcs> Ubuntu MDI works in Nokia n810 ??
[06:52] <smp4488> ok now i am getting somewhere
[06:54] <persia> gfcs: No.  The Nokia n810 has an ARM processor, and Ubuntu doesn't have an ARM buildds.  You might be interested in mojo.handhelds.org : most of the packages ought be recompiled for ARM there.
[06:54] <persia> smp4488: The BIOS update enabled the KVM option?
[06:56] <gfcs> persia, Thank you
[06:56] <smp4488> no im trying to use virtualbox
[06:57] <smp4488> now im gettin kernel module errors but im working on it
[06:58] <persia> Yeah, virtualbox works for more processors.  I think you have to convert the qcow2 image into another format to load into virtualbox, but I admit I don't actually know the commands to do that.
[06:59] <smp4488> im getting kernel module errors now though
[06:59] <persia> I remember hearing something about kernel module version skew, but I don't really know the details.  You may need to pull some special different package to make it work.
[07:00] <smp4488> or install the right module
[07:01] <persia> heh.  indeed :)
[07:01] <smp4488> i think i found it
[07:05] <smp4488> nope
[07:41] <smp4488> ok i have virtualbox going
[07:41] <smp4488> now how do i load the image lol
[07:50] <smp4488> sweet jesus i finally got it to boot and its not even on my test pc
[07:53] <persia> Cool!
[07:55] <smp4488> but now it is searching for installation source
[07:55] <smp4488> sleep for 5 seconds
[07:55] <smp4488> how do i fix that?
[08:23] <persia> smp4488: Sorry: I've been distracted.  I'm not sure exactly, but many reports are that it takes a very long time to install.
[08:57] <Nibbler> persia: thanks
[10:55] <amitk> asac: you take care of firefox too, right?
[10:57] <amitk> bug 262693 is causing firefox to shutdown. I guess I'll just turn off flash.
[10:58] <persia> amitk: You may find a wider number of firefox maintainers in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[10:58] <amitk> persia: ok
[10:59] <amitk> persia: duh... just noticed that I was posting to ubuntu-mobile, instead of ubuntu-devel :)
[10:59] <persia> amitk: #ubuntu-devel might also be a good forum, but I think #ubuntu-mozillateam is likely best :)
[12:43] <nibbler> what are .kvm and .qcow2 files? 
[12:44] <nibbler> or: what install media can i use to just install ubuntu-mobile from cd eg, or test it in a vm?
[12:48] <nibbler> ah... kvm.... ahhhhhh
[12:49] <persia> nibbler: There are also some .img files, and you can use dd to put them on a USB stick for installation on real target hardware.
[12:50] <nibbler> ah okay.... will this give me a live system, or just an installer?
[12:50] <nxvl> good morning
[12:50] <persia> The images are just the installer.  The KVM is a live system
[12:51] <nibbler> okay, i'll try get the kvm running then
[12:51] <nibbler> thanks
[16:24] <smp4488> anyone here?
[16:25] <persia> smp4488: Three score of us, not including yourself.
[16:27] <smp4488> lol
[16:27] <smp4488> man i am having nothing but problems
[16:28] <smp4488> im getting that checking device for installation source over and over
[16:30] <persia> I thought you had decided on a virtual solution?  In that case, you want to use the virtual images.  The install images assume they are attached via USB, and the virtual environments don't handle that so well.
[16:30] <smp4488> ahh so where do i find thos image files?
[16:31] <smp4488> i am using virtual box
[16:39] <smp4488> any suggestions?
[16:42] <nibbler> check topic
[16:42] <smp4488> i have the image file but i keep getting the searching for source error
[16:43] <smp4488> it sleeps for 5 then does it over and over
[16:44] <nibbler> ah ok... no idea
[16:44] <nibbler> never seen this ubuntu-mobile
[16:44] <persia> smp4488: The install image, or the KVM image?
[16:45] <smp4488> i converted the kvm image
[16:46] <smp4488> the .img file
[16:46] <smp4488> to .vdi
[16:46] <smp4488> but then i downloaded the tar and im going to see what i can do with that image
[16:47] <smp4488> which one do i want to convert the .img or the .kvm
[16:54] <ogra> the .qcow2
[16:55] <smp4488> convert it to vdi?
[16:55] <ogra> right
[16:55] <ogra> well, first to .raw
[16:55] <ogra> from there to .vdi
[16:55] <smp4488> so not the .img or .kvm
[16:55] <ogra> .kvm is a script iirc
[16:55] <ogra> calling qemu -kvm blah.qcow2
[16:56]  * ogra runs out 
[16:56] <smp4488> gotcha
[17:16] <smp4488> now i get kernel module errors on startup
[17:16] <persia> Excellent.  That's expected, and you can safely ignore them.
[17:17] <smp4488> the screen blinks and what is the login?
[17:18] <smp4488> oh and the swap failed to load
[17:21] <persia> I believe it's username ume and password ubuntu.
[17:21] <persia> Change the password if you intend to have any private data :)
[17:21] <smp4488> thanks
[17:22] <smp4488> nut why does the screen keep blinking?
[17:23] <persia> That's not a question to which I know the answer :)
[17:46] <smp4488> now im getting somewhere
[18:26] <smp4488> im trying to install something and i am missing build and header files for my kernel
[18:44] <smp4488> where are the config files for mobile?
[19:39] <heruan> hi all
[19:39] <heruan> I installed ubuntu-mobile on my Aspire One
[19:40] <guruz> great
[19:40] <guruz> i'm planning to do that too
[19:40] <guruz> what can you tell about it
[19:40] <guruz> :D
[19:40] <guruz> the netbook remix thing?
[19:41] <heruan> exaclty... the package ubuntu-mobile comes without the netbook-remix, but with an hackish gnome environment
[19:41] <heruan> that's not ideal... so I installed the netbook-remix and I found it fantastic
[19:42] <guruz> :)
[19:42] <guruz> My current problem is that I am only using firefox
[19:42] <guruz> and i don't care much where it runs O:-)
[19:42] <guruz> But well.. as soon as I have some time ;)
[19:43] <heruan> are you using ubuntu-desktop or mid edition?
[19:44] <guruz> that default thing
[19:44] <guruz> linpus
[19:44] <heruan> ah, okay :p
[19:44] <guruz> it's lame, i know
[19:45] <heruan> no, no... linpus has a great pro: boot time
[19:45] <heruan> I don't know how it can boot so quickly
[19:46] <heruan> I think it's a must shortening boot time in ubuntu-mobile
[19:46] <guruz> Yeah
[19:46] <guruz> that's right
[19:46] <guruz> the boot time is incredible
[19:46] <guruz> hm, then let's hope ubuntu does at least save more battery power than linpus
[19:46] <guruz> and i'd like to have suspend to disk too ;)
[23:11] <smp4488> anyone know where the config files are for mobile