=== BobChao_ is now known as BobChao [01:47] Has anyone before played with nsIProcess? [09:25] fta: you can look in NM which dumps the stack somehow [09:26] asac, i did it with glibc [09:27] it's not to the level of gdb but it was good enough [09:32] http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html [09:37] http://ejohn.org/blog/google-chrome-process-manager/ [09:55] fta: ok i pushed the webbrowser thing and will plumber a build3 release on top now [09:55] or are we at build4 already? [10:09] fta: ok sispoty gave you a +1 as well [10:09] so i think you there is only one left from the council. not sure if he is on holiday or something [10:09] fta: did you answer sispoty's last question? [10:14] mozilla bug 120380 [10:14] Mozilla bug 120380 in File Handling "needsterminal flag in mailcap must be respected" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120380 [11:00] bug 262693 is causing firefox to shutdown. I guess I'll just turn off flash. [11:00] Launchpad bug 262693 in flashplugin-nonfree "Flash not working: Intrepid, 2.6.27, FF3" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262693 [11:02] amitk: is that amd? [11:02] asac: do you want me to push changes in XPI.TEMPLATE to MT branch? [11:02] asac: no, it is intel core 2 duo, running 64-bit ubuntu intrepid [11:02] gnomefreak: at best push to your area and request merge so i can take alook [11:03] amitk: well ... thats amd technically ;) [11:03] asac: aah, amd64 you mean. Yes :) [11:03] ok already pushed to my branch but only change was update to Standard version in control file [11:03] i am not that deep in the food chain that i would care about actual processor models ;) [11:03] amitk: does downgrading to nspluginwrapper 0.9x* help? [11:05] asac: Dependent Branch would be mine right? [11:07] gnomefreak: you push to your branch [11:07] and then request merge [11:07] give it a try :) [11:08] asac: it was the merge question but it errored so i changed it [11:08] merge needs to be reviewed [11:08] yeah [11:09] lets see if i get a mail ;) [11:09] asac: downgrading to nspluginwrapper_0.9.91.5-2ubuntu2_amd64.deb fixes the problem [11:10] amitk: did you need to --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree [11:10] ? [11:11] asac: no. Just installed nspluginwrapper and restarted firefox [11:25] fta: can you please release mozilla-devscripts 0.10 [11:25] i need that for this upload now === Bambi_BOFH is now known as Kamping_Kaiser [11:47] lies [12:25] asac, ok, i will delay my changes then [12:26] where in gconf is the system beep setting? [12:27] fta2: please close the changelog [12:27] gnomefreak: not sure [12:27] gnomefreak: search for "bell" in gconf-editor might give you some keys [12:27] mybe i can get to it through control center [12:29] asac: thanks ill try it [12:30] asac, done [12:30] #172 [12:31] thx [12:32] asac: thanks it worked so im guessing its still broken [12:56] can someone use the name gnomefreak i need to find out if i fixed the system beep [12:57] gnomefreak, [12:57] :) [12:57] it works ;) [12:57] thanks Kamping_Kaiser [12:57] gnomefreak, wd :) np. [12:58] * Kamping_Kaiser goes to sleep now ;) [12:58] Kamping_Kaiser: good night [12:58] gnomefreak: beep ;) [12:58] :) [12:58] pitti blacklisted it [12:58] blacklisted what? [12:59] asac: snd_pcsp module [12:59] ah [12:59] due to vmware users [13:00] is what i got out of the bug report === asac_ is now known as asac [13:54] Jazzva: i think i fixed a bunch of amd64 issues in nsplutinwrapper upload (and push to ~ubuntu-dev) i just did [13:54] at lesat windowless flash shouldnt crash ffox anymore [14:01] asac, cool :D [14:02] what was the problem? [14:03] Jazzva: look at the branch [14:03] k [14:03] the visual id patch was required to fix the crash [14:03] the others i just robbed from fedora [14:03] not sure what they are about :) [14:03] well. .. i think one takes care that if nplugin.viewer crashes, that it gets restarted [14:04] the other i cant remember ... but appeared to make a bit sense [14:06] mhm, I see... [14:06] nice :). I'll check it out later [14:07] right now, I'm fighting with my threads and IO :) [14:07] Jazzva: you should have done that without threads ;) [14:07] using nio :) [14:07] I don't think I can do that :) [14:07] at least that forces one to think before developing [14:08] Threads + sockets and RMI for communication [14:08] and thus removes issues later on ... that you usually get when using multiple threads [14:08] RMI ;) [14:08] well ... RMI should be transparent [14:08] to threading [14:08] right... [14:08] One part of the program is using it... and that works pretty nice [14:08] for sockets you use nio and then you dont need listener threads and such anymore [14:09] asac, if ff3.1 is not entering universe, there's no point for me to stick to a2, right ? [14:09] asac, I'll read on that tomorrow... right now it's too late to switch. I should make it work by tonight :) [14:09] fta2: i'd say if we reach beta we might consider to upload it ... otherwise if we manage to do the qt split [14:09] fta2: so when you dont think that qt split is reasonable to do now on a2, go ahead [14:09] (my opinion) [14:10] ok, i'll move forward then [14:53] fta2: how sure are you that we are moving in b1 direction? [14:53] is it official that there wont be a3? [14:53] (wonder since you used ~b1~hg) [14:54] they bumped trunk to b1pre just after a2 [14:54] lets hope they stick to it ;) [14:54] well ... otherwise we can just stay with b1~hg for a3 release ;) [14:54] it's not me, my script takes what is in the sources [14:54] kk [14:56] pfft. firefox build will probably take the whole day ;) [15:04] ? [15:19] Hi asac, sorry for the stupid question, FF3 final will be available on gutsy in some official archive? [15:23] Volans: i am currently trying to figure tha tout [15:23] oh good, and it will be in -updates or -backports ? [15:23] -backports would be my bet [15:25] ok, thanks :) [15:25] Volans: i am trying to get input from jdong who previously did the backports and appears to be back from busy now [16:28] asac: so when people inevitably ask about google chrome packaging -- would this be something you guys would be interested in doing? [16:28] or should I just point people to create a chrome team? [16:29] jcastro: i dont understand what google crhome packaging is ;) [16:30] asac: google is launching a new oss browser based on webkit [16:30] and when people start asking about it I would like for us to have some kind of idea what we're going to do [16:30] ah [16:30] yeah. send them here. [16:30] like, would the webkit team handle it, or you guys? [16:30] webkit team? [16:31] there's a webkit team on lp [16:31] jcastro, i'm interested but afaik, there's no public code yet, right ? [16:31] jcastro: url? [16:31] http://launchpad.net/~webkit-team [16:32] jcastro, and it seems we are having a problem to add new packages in universe.. [16:32] fta2: yeah, apparently the windows port gets released today with linux forthcoming. I don't know if/when the code will be available [16:32] I was just thinking it might be a good idea to figure out what we're going to do. [16:32] and if maybe I should ping google for some info to make it easier for us to throw it up someplace. [16:32] jcastro: i have no clue what the team mission of them is [16:32] jcastro: if they want to do ubuntu work we can certainly entangle [16:33] asac: ah, so wait, you don't know the webkit team guys then? [16:33] that seems wrong [16:33] jcastro: getting some info from google would be great [16:33] I will send him a mail to come hang out [16:33] and then ask google if they want to help [16:33] it would be cool if we could have it in a ppa for their launch or something [16:33] jcastro, i will probably work on it at some point (i'm busy with work) [16:34] fta2: well, at the very least if it's in the team ppa we could spread the load. [16:34] jcastro: I know that today only the Windows version will be released and atm there are no timeline for the linux and mac versions [16:35] Volans: right, but that doesn't mean we can't get our stuff in order in preperation [16:35] and iirc Google use a sort of Ubuntu derivative internally so I think that for the Linux version they are surely interested to package it (if they don't have already done it) [16:35] at the very least we can tell people to help out the team instead of having 30 individual people shoving it into PPAs or whatever [16:35] sure, look always ahead ;) [16:38] jcastro, ppa is not a problem, but it seems i will not go further, all my work seems stuck at the ppa level :( [16:38] fta2: which is better then without PPA :-D [16:38] just kidding [16:39] fta2: seriously i really hope your application will soon be ackknowledged [16:39] plus it's past feature freeze anyway, so it's PPA time! [16:39] wait [16:39] did it not get approved yet? [16:39] nope [16:39] dang [16:39] let me ask daniel what's up with that [16:39] motu council has reached a stale [16:39] jcastro: not in fta's application, but emmet retracted from voting :) [16:39] until MOTUs figure out what they want :) [16:40] i think kirkland's application caused this and now things move slowly [16:40] oh boy [16:41] ok daniel is going to ping them again [16:43] even without that, it seems we have a problem here too. our recent "discussion" about ff3.1 proved it, and also the fact that nothing is moving on songbird or flock, i doubt google-browser will be better treated. [16:45] fta2: google browser most likely wont introduce a new copy of xulrunner code [16:45] and btw, i am reconsidering if we should really hold them back because of that [16:45] they wont be able to enter main, but maybe allowing them into universe be ok [16:46] fta2: but still i dont see what the recent ff3.1 discussion proved [16:46] asac: is ff 3.0.2 already official? [16:46] i just gave my opinion that we should at least try to consider that pushing things to universe also requires long term maintenance ... which we cannot provide for so many mozilla apps easily [16:47] i took that as a definitive no-go [16:47] fta2: well. i wanted to raise awareness that i wont feel gooda bout new mozillas that will never get security stability upgrades [16:47] unless we sort out what we want. [16:48] for instance, can we provide security for 9 month in universe would be a good improvement [16:48] IMHO google chrome is not related with mozilla stuffs, it is webkit (and not gecko) based and not related with mozilla itself [16:48] the interest in backports goes down after next release is out, so maybe providing support for universe for 9 month would cover most [16:49] sebner: no. thats build3 [16:50] asac: 3.0.2+build3 [16:50] not 3.0.1+build3?! [16:50] yes [16:51] heya [16:51] hi gandi [16:51] asac: /me is confused O_o [16:52] sebner: about what? [16:52] its a beta-channel build ... aka Release Candidate [16:52] asac: 3.0.2 rc? [16:52] this will dwell in QA for a week or so and if no regressions pop up it becomes final [16:53] sebner: yes. except that i dont call it rc, because those are builds that are just released as final when there is no problem and i dont want to reupload to make the package version fix [16:53] asac: /me = n00b. Didn't know that ;) Thx for the info \o/ [16:58] jcastro: is anything accessible anywhere yet? [16:58] * fta2 going to drink some guiness with friends. cu++ [16:59] asac: no [16:59] asac: windows version later today and then linux afterwards sometime, so we've got time. [16:59] asac: for google chrome? as I know not yet... but in the day they will publish the window version, probably here: gears.google.com/chrome/ (now the domain is redirected) [17:00] and the code? [17:00] most likely they'll use BSD? [17:00] asac: weill you become the google browser maintainer as well? ^^ [17:00] probably in the same place... I have read only that will be opensource, not sure what license [17:01] sebner: first there has to be something ;) [17:01] if you have some time take a look at the Google Chrome comic book;) http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/ [17:01] asac: and then? [17:01] they explain some concepts that they have used in the browser [17:02] (new JS, multiprocessor, etc...) [17:02] we have to look into it [17:02] look who in debian will maintain it ... how well that goes [17:02] if we can directly contribute there [17:06] asac: i'm pretty curious. maybe it runs with wine xD [17:06] sebner: LOL [17:06] Volans: well, today only win builds are comming [17:07] sure! I have my VM on VBox :) [17:07] but why not to try... [17:07] Volans: I have problems with vbox and 2.6.27 kernel [17:10] ok ... i am going for food [17:11] asac: HF [19:06] Does anyone know when the "huge spaces" glitch in FF3 on Ubuntu will be fixed? [19:07] I'm currently experiencing the bug where all words have the equivelent of 4-6 spaces between them. This goes for all text, not just on web pages, but everywhere in FF3 (i.e the menus, preferences, message boxes). [19:08] This also is happening in SongBird, which, coicedentally is powered by Mozilla. [19:08] So perhaps this is a glitch with Mozilla? [19:11] Kai_wp: try a different font. try a different driver [19:12] which firefox version are you using? [19:12] wqhich firefox-3.0 package version is installed ... and which xulrunner-1.9 package [19:12] ? [19:14] Actually, it seems that this problem "... is actually in pango-graphite". [19:14] I just need to remove it to fix the prob. [19:18] asac: fta: https://launchpad.net/googlechrome [19:19] it will apparently be announced in ~40 minutes, I'll start an import then and then push anyone interested here? [19:23] jcastro: yes give it to me ;) [19:23] jcastro: what kind of import? source? [19:23] yeah [19:23] according to the video I am watching it's BSD licensed. [19:24] what i thought ;) [19:24] forks hooray \o/ [19:24] I am mostly concerned about having 34985734 people on the forums making debs and stuff [19:24] so I will push everyone towards this page [19:24] well ... lets hope that google is a strong enough contributor to hold everything in the mainstream ;) [19:24] I just sent dibona a mail about it [19:24] jcastro: right. [19:25] If we could get the same level we do with moco I will be happy [19:25] but I suspect they won't, they're typically a "throw code over the wall" bunch [19:25] in my experience [19:25] thats what i fear a bit [19:26] jcastro: do you know if they have a webkit fork? [19:26] it sounds like they are contributing upstream [19:26] I am still watching the video, they're not into those details yet [19:26] since they said their javascript engine is twice as fast i think its a fork [19:28] the js engine is brand new, it's called V8 [19:29] like a v8 motor ;) [19:29] so they punched their own js engine beneath webkit ;) [19:29] well ... lets wait [19:30] yeah [19:30] the ui looks fun [19:30] like, they have this cool start page [19:31] jcastro: where is that vid? [19:31] http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10030035-2.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 [19:31] click on windows media or real player [19:31] I couldn't get it to work so I am watching it on my gf's laptop [19:33] oh nice [19:33] it has a "porn mode" [19:33] asac: are you planning the late haXX0r intrepid release? ^^ [19:42] asac: ooh, plugins in a seperate process [19:42] <[reed]> um, guys... [19:43] <[reed]> you do know that Google Chrome is only being released for Windows today, right? [19:43] yeah [19:43] I wonder if they will release the code source today though [19:43] asac will add it to intrepid anyway *g* [19:43] if they don't that will be pretty lame. [19:43] i am writing a FFe ;) [19:45] hrhr [19:51] <[reed]> http://gears.google.com/chrome/intl/en/linux.html?hl=en [19:51] [reed]: that's kind of weak [19:52] jcastro: what did you expect? :) [19:52] well, after the last three pages of the freaking comic was about how awesome they are for driving the web forward and doing it in open source ... [19:52] you'd figure they would you know, release the code. [19:52] yeah ;) [19:52] http://code.google.com/chromium/ [19:53] thats what is linked from the page with "Open Source" [19:55] ok so this guy says it'll all come out, so I guess the web guys just have to flip the switch [19:55] i think chromium it will be [19:55] like above [19:55] http://gears.google.com/chrome/?hl=en [19:56] I see something here [19:56] yeah, but chromium is the code ;) [19:56] oh now it opens... before not :) [19:56] yay [19:57] asac: you can also leave your email for the linux version here: http://gears.google.com/chrome/intl/en/linux.html?hl=en [19:58] hmm code is still password locked ;) [19:58] holler at me as soon as you see the svn url. :D [19:58] damn! [19:59] http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome [19:59] Note: If you want to use a Chromium-based browser, you should look elsewhere. Although many Chromium modules build under Linux and a few unit tests pass, nothing actually runs. [19:59] heh [20:00] yeah [20:01] they have #chromium on freenode [20:02] jcastro: the good thing is that they name "ubuntu 8" on their build instructions page [20:02] "On Ubuntu 8, you can fetch all of the above as follows:" [20:02] heh [20:02] LOL 8.* ? [20:03] jcastro: #chromium seems to not be an official irc channel [20:04] that's what their webpage says [20:04] look at the channel's topic [20:06] hahaha, awesome [20:07] you are able to download it? I see only more information and that for linux is not yet available... surely it know that I'm running linux... but if I want to download it? [20:07] I got it for windows on my gf's laptop [20:08] LOL [20:09] * Volans starting XP virtual machine... [20:12] Volans: it detects your OS by the useragent [20:12] sure, but many sites put the link other platform [20:13] like Mozilla's one ;) [20:14] Hi! [20:37] jcastro, it's ironic that a webkit project is owned by the mozilla-team ;) [20:37] fta: don't tell anyone, it'll be our little joke. [20:37] heh [20:40] jcastro, do you know if it requires a specific version of webkit ? ie, if the one we take from debian is good enough [20:41] I am unsure, haven't looked at anything yet [20:41] trying to get the import started [20:42] people for mozilla often claim that webkit is not feature complete and that its api is not stable, so google may have a lower limit, or even a specific req [20:43] it's a (not-so-)cold war i don't want to enter [20:43] wow. nearly 500 kb [20:43] google will inform me if a linux version is available =) [20:43] sebner: is an installer ;) [20:44] and it doesn't run with wine -.- [20:44] Volans: ah [20:44] the installer will download the browser [20:44] not with wine xD [20:45] very difficult I think [20:45] * fta doesn't care about windows binaries at all [20:46] fta: source ftw" [20:46] I'm running it on an XP on VBox, seems quick, but the VM make difficult to know really [20:46] jcastro: is the sync running? [20:46] (svn) [20:46] asac: I just sent the guy a mail letting him know to kick it off [20:46] to whom? [20:46] asac: also chris dibona cced me the guys working on the linux port, as soon as I hear from them I'll let you know [20:47] asac: now, quick. a intrepid build ^^ [20:47] jcastro: we have the svn url [20:47] so we can sync to launchpad ;) [20:47] hi to all [20:47] devfil: ahio [20:47] asac: brad crittenden [20:47] sebner: o/ [20:48] any news about google chrome? [20:48] devfil: it's here and not running with wine :( [20:48] it doesn't run in linux [20:48] yet [20:48] jcastro: when it will [20:49] when someone fixes it? [20:49] jcastro: ah ok. so brad is setting up the svn sync for us? [20:49] lol, the new buzz [20:49] asac: yeah I set it up, I think he wants to intervene and run it manually [20:49] normally it takes like hours for it to run [20:49] jcastro: ah ok [20:49] yep [20:49] you know what is "awesome". [20:49] jcastro: no ;) [20:50] since I set up a bunch of vcs imports, the new lp stuff automatically subscribes me to the importer [20:50] or isnt that a question? [20:50] jcastro: you get a maiol for every commit now? [20:50] so basically, anytime there is an upstream commmit for any project i create, I get spam. [20:50] yeah [20:50] hehe [20:50] thats how it works ;) [20:50] at least you have to suffer for wasting bandwidth and computing power and contributing to the greenhouse effect ;) [20:51] thats the way launchpad makes you pay :-D [20:51] Fetched 33.6MB in 43s (781kB/s) [20:51] Extracting templates from packages: 100% [20:51] Preconfiguring packages ... [20:51] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) [20:51] gasp [20:52] fta: whats that? [20:52] intrepid [20:52] sudo dpkg -i googlechrome_intrepid_i386.deb ? [20:53] no [20:54] my intrepid is seriously broken [20:55] LOL google chrome have a "nerd statistic" page of the actual process... [20:55] fta: reminds me on my intrepid ^^ [20:56] sad to say but i don't remember that many apps crashing with ubuntu and debian since 96 [20:57] or even the other distros before [20:57] * sebner was 6years old 1996 and didn't know what a computer ist xd [20:57] lol [20:58] fta: i know what you mean [20:58] since dpkg-source refsues to exclude orig.tar.gz for me i doubt that things ever were worse ;) [20:58] asac: "Früher war doch alles besser" xD xD XD [21:02] sebner, i'm not a nostalgic of the past [21:02] fta: ^^ [21:03] fta: Can't say anything. I'm using linux (ubuntu) since 2006 ^^ [21:03] i can confirm that fta lives for the future ;) [21:03] jcastro: likely we will get another trademark case here :/ [21:04] jcastro: but maybe google was a bit more forseeing [21:04] like chromium is the open source project and google chrome is the google browser [21:04] yeah [21:04] I was afraid of that [21:04] not sure what policy they will attach to google chrome [21:04] yeah, we should bring it up @ uds [21:05] probably the right place ;) [21:06] so the depot_tools appear to be completely broken :/ [21:06] ill see if i can ignore them by just gettting the complete svn :) [21:06] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12732/ [21:07] an idea about google chrome --^ [21:07] I saw that this morning [21:07] I will leave a comment [21:08] I'm finding some very interesting feature in google chrome [21:09] the history is awesome [21:15] damned, intrepid now longer likes my usb2 key, nor my phone [21:16] fta: no auto-mount? [21:16] no, usb/kernel errors [21:16] aha... :/ [21:17] just checked, there are bugs already, saying to kill the module and fall back to usb1(.1). Am i supposed to be happy with that ?? [21:19] welcome to intrepid [21:19] i jumped at hardy+1day but the closer it gets, the worse [21:20]