[16:17] <Volans> newz2000: Hi, I have read the Gerry's email of yesterday and investigated a little on the automation of the translation
[16:33] <newz2000> Volans: I've only read the email so far
[19:00] <Volans> newz2000: sorry I was going out for a while...
[19:00] <Volans> I have investigated a litte the automatization process for the actual start page
[19:07] <Volans> and I have found at least 2 way to do the thing done
[19:08] <newz2000> hey Volans
[19:09] <newz2000> so what do you think, will we be able to use launchpad for translation?
[19:09] <Volans> sure, there is  the easiest way (not to beautiful for me) and the better one (little more work)
[19:10] <newz2000> what make the easiest way less beautiful?
[19:10] <Volans> the first can be done with html2po and po2html programs, but they put in po file also some strange strings like <strong>text</strong>, etc
[19:11] <newz2000> oh, I see
[19:11] <Volans> the second one is to create a single html page with some placeholders and use a script (for example in python) using gettext to put the right text in place of the right placeholder, and do that for all locales
[19:12] <newz2000> that should be simple enough
[19:12] <newz2000> will this work even with paragraph-length text?
[19:12] <Volans> sure, just make some attention when creating the po file with string
[19:13] <Volans> html2po will generate the default po automatically, in the second case we have to create it manually
[19:13] <Volans> but is a one-time work
[19:13] <Volans> after all can be done in a very easiest way
[19:13] <Volans> ops... I have to go to dinner in a minute... sorry I don't have see the clock
[19:13] <newz2000> no prob
[19:14] <newz2000> enjoy, thanks for the research
[19:14] <Volans> I can find you in 40-60 minutes?
[19:14] <newz2000> yes, I'll be here
[19:14] <newz2000> another 4 hours
[19:14] <Volans> ok, see you later, sorry :)
[19:27] <thorwil> newz2000: hi! any idea when a decision will be made regarding the countdown banners?
[19:28] <newz2000> thorwil: good question, my thinking is that since we've got so many good options that we should offer users multiple choices.
[19:28] <newz2000> I like what you've done, I like all of them actually
[19:28] <newz2000> I have only one suggestion, and that is to use Ubuntu 8.10 instead of "next ubuntu"
[19:29] <newz2000> but otherwise I like all of them
[19:29] <thorwil> ok, cool
[19:29] <newz2000> for the hands one, what will happen when it's 22 days out?
[19:29] <thorwil> newz2000: that one simply doesn't scale that far ;)
[19:30] <newz2000> well, my favorite of yours is the spiral
[19:30] <thorwil> which also has scalability issues ;)
[19:30] <newz2000> that one is more easily handled
[19:31] <newz2000> the dot doesn't need to move every day during the first couple weeks
[19:31] <newz2000> so the dot near the center will start out red and get closer, or the dot on the outside starts red and goes in?
[19:31] <thorwil> where i actually think that a countdown earlier than 14 days is a bit silly
[19:31] <thorwil> goes in
[19:32] <newz2000> there was some proposed artwork on the art-team list that used a spiral as representation of the ibex horn
[19:32] <thorwil> that was my inspiration :)
[19:32] <newz2000> I wondered
[19:32] <thorwil> was from Kenneth
[19:33] <newz2000> yeah
[19:33] <newz2000> who is still tight lipped on the final artwork
[19:33] <thorwil> seems it's all complicated and hectic
[19:34] <newz2000> Mark can be challenging to work with regarding art, and he's very particular on this specific subject
[19:35] <emunkki> back for a while.
[19:35] <newz2000> thorwil: all of your ideas have merit and can go forward. If you were to ask me which I like the best, I like the spiral
[19:35]  * newz2000 counts the dots
[19:35] <newz2000> 16 dots. Hm.
[19:35] <newz2000> so if we start 30 days out...
[19:36] <newz2000> you could start out moving a dot every four days, then three, then two, then one each day for the last 7 days or so
[19:37] <newz2000> I need a piece of paper to work out the pattern, but I think that would work ok
[19:37] <newz2000> thorwil: do you know about the two special slides?
[19:37] <thorwil> newz2000: nope
[19:37] <newz2000> they are "coming soon" (as in today) and "its here"
[19:38] <newz2000> there needs to be a "day zero" slide for that time on release day while we're getting everything ready to go
[19:38] <newz2000> then when it releases we want to shout it
[19:39] <thorwil> good. plenty of time to tackle that
[19:39] <emunkki> 4,4,3,3,3,2,2,1...
[19:40] <emunkki> oops, one more 2
[19:41] <thorwil> newz2000: how do you think about offering the hands only 15 or 20 days in advance and the spiral something close to 16 central dot is meant to be zero, btw)?
[19:41] <emunkki> 2*4 + 3*3 + 3*2 = 23 days
[19:41] <emunkki> oops
[19:41] <newz2000> I don't think I like changing it mid-process
[19:41] <emunkki> that doesn't make sense afterall
[19:41] <emunkki> well does, if the last dot is 0 ;)
[19:42] <newz2000> thorwil: why don't you work out the last two slides, don't spend a lot of time perfecting your slides yet, I'll draw attention to it to a few canonical folks to see if they have any comments
[19:43] <thorwil> newz2000: ok, i will also think about 2-stage approaches for the counting :)
[19:43] <newz2000> go for it
[19:55] <qense> hello
[19:55] <newz2000> howdy qense!
[19:57] <Volans> newz2000: back (searching for download and code of google chrome ;))
[19:57] <newz2000> Volans: let me know if you find it
[19:57] <newz2000> on a related note, in intrepid epiphany-webkit is available as a package you can install
[19:58] <Volans> newz2000: today only the windows version will be released
[19:58] <Volans> for linux: http://gears.google.com/chrome/intl/en/linux.html?hl=en
[19:58] <Volans> asac have found the code: http://code.google.com/chromium/
[19:59] <newz2000> oh, I need to ping him. I keep clicking links and they open opera (but they url doesn't open)
[19:59] <newz2000> no, wait, it's a pidgin prob. not ff
[19:59] <Volans> LOL
[20:00] <Volans> and jcastro found this: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/
[20:01] <newz2000> I'm not sure I'm on board with the "make web apps look like desktop apps" concept.
[20:02] <newz2000> I'm really ok with web apps looking like web pages
[20:02] <newz2000> though maybe as they start to be more complex there are greater benefits
[20:07] <qense> Is here anyone for the Ubuntu Wanted meeting?
[20:07] <qense> Or am I the only one that turned up?
[20:29] <Volans> newz2000: I have a good and bad news about Google Chrome compatibility and rendering... what do you want first?
[20:29] <newz2000> good
[20:30] <Volans> Google Chrome have the same compatibility issues and rendering of another existing browser
[20:30] <Volans> the "quite" bad one... that this browser is Safari 3.1
[20:30] <Volans> :)
[20:30] <newz2000> that's the good news?
[20:30] <Volans> http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/webmasters.html
[20:50] <Volans> newz2000: sorry, I'm playing with the new toy... :) for the start page if you agree on the second option I can start to see and write a simple script that can do the job
[20:50] <newz2000> yes, do it. Lets get a sample and then have our next meeting
[20:50] <newz2000> I want to know if the doc team translators are game
[20:52] <Volans> ok, I will start tomorrow and give you feedback on the work
[20:53] <newz2000> Volans: ok, but don't kill yourself
[20:53] <newz2000> beause I want to ensure people will use it before you spend too much time
[20:53] <newz2000> so proof of concept is good
[20:53] <Volans> ok
[21:24] <Volans> newz2000: see what a long user agent Chrome have: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13
[21:25] <newz2000> well, at least we can easily distinguish it