[16:17] newz2000: Hi, I have read the Gerry's email of yesterday and investigated a little on the automation of the translation [16:33] Volans: I've only read the email so far [19:00] newz2000: sorry I was going out for a while... [19:00] I have investigated a litte the automatization process for the actual start page [19:07] and I have found at least 2 way to do the thing done [19:08] hey Volans [19:09] so what do you think, will we be able to use launchpad for translation? [19:09] sure, there is the easiest way (not to beautiful for me) and the better one (little more work) [19:10] what make the easiest way less beautiful? [19:10] the first can be done with html2po and po2html programs, but they put in po file also some strange strings like text, etc [19:11] oh, I see [19:11] the second one is to create a single html page with some placeholders and use a script (for example in python) using gettext to put the right text in place of the right placeholder, and do that for all locales [19:12] that should be simple enough [19:12] will this work even with paragraph-length text? [19:12] sure, just make some attention when creating the po file with string [19:13] html2po will generate the default po automatically, in the second case we have to create it manually [19:13] but is a one-time work [19:13] after all can be done in a very easiest way [19:13] ops... I have to go to dinner in a minute... sorry I don't have see the clock [19:13] no prob [19:14] enjoy, thanks for the research [19:14] I can find you in 40-60 minutes? [19:14] yes, I'll be here [19:14] another 4 hours [19:14] ok, see you later, sorry :) [19:27] newz2000: hi! any idea when a decision will be made regarding the countdown banners? [19:28] thorwil: good question, my thinking is that since we've got so many good options that we should offer users multiple choices. [19:28] I like what you've done, I like all of them actually [19:28] I have only one suggestion, and that is to use Ubuntu 8.10 instead of "next ubuntu" [19:29] but otherwise I like all of them [19:29] ok, cool [19:29] for the hands one, what will happen when it's 22 days out? [19:29] newz2000: that one simply doesn't scale that far ;) [19:30] well, my favorite of yours is the spiral [19:30] which also has scalability issues ;) [19:30] that one is more easily handled [19:31] the dot doesn't need to move every day during the first couple weeks [19:31] so the dot near the center will start out red and get closer, or the dot on the outside starts red and goes in? [19:31] where i actually think that a countdown earlier than 14 days is a bit silly [19:31] goes in [19:32] there was some proposed artwork on the art-team list that used a spiral as representation of the ibex horn [19:32] that was my inspiration :) [19:32] I wondered [19:32] was from Kenneth [19:33] yeah [19:33] who is still tight lipped on the final artwork [19:33] seems it's all complicated and hectic [19:34] Mark can be challenging to work with regarding art, and he's very particular on this specific subject [19:35] back for a while. [19:35] thorwil: all of your ideas have merit and can go forward. If you were to ask me which I like the best, I like the spiral [19:35] * newz2000 counts the dots [19:35] 16 dots. Hm. [19:35] so if we start 30 days out... [19:36] you could start out moving a dot every four days, then three, then two, then one each day for the last 7 days or so [19:37] I need a piece of paper to work out the pattern, but I think that would work ok [19:37] thorwil: do you know about the two special slides? [19:37] newz2000: nope [19:37] they are "coming soon" (as in today) and "its here" [19:38] there needs to be a "day zero" slide for that time on release day while we're getting everything ready to go [19:38] then when it releases we want to shout it [19:39] good. plenty of time to tackle that [19:39] 4,4,3,3,3,2,2,1... [19:40] oops, one more 2 [19:41] newz2000: how do you think about offering the hands only 15 or 20 days in advance and the spiral something close to 16 central dot is meant to be zero, btw)? [19:41] 2*4 + 3*3 + 3*2 = 23 days [19:41] oops [19:41] I don't think I like changing it mid-process [19:41] that doesn't make sense afterall [19:41] well does, if the last dot is 0 ;) [19:42] thorwil: why don't you work out the last two slides, don't spend a lot of time perfecting your slides yet, I'll draw attention to it to a few canonical folks to see if they have any comments [19:43] newz2000: ok, i will also think about 2-stage approaches for the counting :) [19:43] go for it [19:55] hello [19:55] howdy qense! [19:57] newz2000: back (searching for download and code of google chrome ;)) [19:57] Volans: let me know if you find it [19:57] on a related note, in intrepid epiphany-webkit is available as a package you can install [19:58] newz2000: today only the windows version will be released [19:58] for linux: http://gears.google.com/chrome/intl/en/linux.html?hl=en [19:58] asac have found the code: http://code.google.com/chromium/ [19:59] oh, I need to ping him. I keep clicking links and they open opera (but they url doesn't open) [19:59] no, wait, it's a pidgin prob. not ff [19:59] LOL [20:00] and jcastro found this: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/ [20:01] I'm not sure I'm on board with the "make web apps look like desktop apps" concept. [20:02] I'm really ok with web apps looking like web pages [20:02] though maybe as they start to be more complex there are greater benefits [20:07] Is here anyone for the Ubuntu Wanted meeting? [20:07] Or am I the only one that turned up? [20:29] newz2000: I have a good and bad news about Google Chrome compatibility and rendering... what do you want first? [20:29] good [20:30] Google Chrome have the same compatibility issues and rendering of another existing browser [20:30] the "quite" bad one... that this browser is Safari 3.1 [20:30] :) [20:30] that's the good news? [20:30] http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/webmasters.html [20:50] newz2000: sorry, I'm playing with the new toy... :) for the start page if you agree on the second option I can start to see and write a simple script that can do the job [20:50] yes, do it. Lets get a sample and then have our next meeting [20:50] I want to know if the doc team translators are game [20:52] ok, I will start tomorrow and give you feedback on the work [20:53] Volans: ok, but don't kill yourself [20:53] beause I want to ensure people will use it before you spend too much time [20:53] so proof of concept is good [20:53] ok [21:24] newz2000: see what a long user agent Chrome have: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13 [21:25] well, at least we can easily distinguish it