[02:25] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: digikam-kde4 needs to be merged with digikam, since the KDE3 version has deps on KDE 3.5 packages no longer available in Intrepid
[02:27] <apachelogger> no
[02:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what deps are these?
[02:27]  * apachelogger only saw kdebase-kio
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> kdeprint
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> kipi-plugins
[02:27] <apachelogger> kdeprint?
[02:27] <apachelogger> hm
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> oh, recommends
[02:27] <apachelogger> yeah
[02:28] <apachelogger> I think only kdebase-kio is a real dep
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> those should be removed as recommends
[02:28] <apachelogger> and if amarok can live without kdebase-kio, digikam can as well
[02:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: feel free to update the package :)
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> ok :)
[02:28] <apachelogger> also merge with debian if they have any changes
[02:29]  * apachelogger notes that we should merge the core KDE packaging some time soon
[02:29]  * JontheEchidna needs a few merges under his belt
[02:32] <apachelogger> hm
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: should I take from stable, unstable, or testing?
[02:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: unstable or testing, unstable is prefered though
[02:32] <apachelogger> or... at least I prefer unstable :)
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> latest digikam version in debian is lower than ours
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> in etch
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> nothing to merge then
[02:34] <apachelogger> oioi
[02:34] <apachelogger> hm
[02:35]  * apachelogger is wondering whether chromium is going to render it's own interface also on mac and linux
[02:35] <apachelogger> looks pretty XULish to me
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> waitaminute
[02:35] <goatsocks> i'm sure it will, the whole app is just a webkit canvas
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache policy sez digikam is at 2:0.9.3-2ubuntu1
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> bug apt-get source says it's at 2:0.9.4-1
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> which means debian has a package
[02:36] <apachelogger> Oo
[02:36] <apachelogger> yus
[02:37] <apachelogger> goatsocks: I am wondering whether it wouldn't have been better to use Qt
[02:37] <apachelogger> I mean qwebview uses webkit andway and replacing webkit's js vm or Qt's doesn't make much difference
[02:37] <apachelogger> *anyway#
[02:38] <apachelogger> omg
[02:38] <apachelogger> it's 3:38 already
[02:38] <apachelogger> -.
[02:38] <apachelogger> -
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> changelog for the latest debian packaging doesn't have anything in it other than *NOT RELEASED YET*
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> Anyhow, we have the latest released packaging
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bug 262957
[02:51] <apachelogger> 197 people in #chromium ;-D
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> can haz sponsor?
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> need the .dsc and diff.gz too?
[02:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: me@apoc { ~/chrome }$ apt-cache policy kipi-plugins | grep Candidate
[02:52] <apachelogger>   Candidate: 0.1.5-1
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> not installable
[02:53] <apachelogger> well
[02:53] <apachelogger> that should be fixed :P
[02:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: try rebuilding, I guess it should be buildable with less functionality
[02:55]  * JontheEchidna pbuilds
[02:57] <apachelogger> bah
[02:57] <apachelogger> my connection b0rked while I was downloading l10n stuff
[02:57] <apachelogger> -.-
[02:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you update the build-deps?
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the versions?
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> uh
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> it won't build
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> it's pulling 4.1.0 packages with pbuilder
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> ...because my pbuilder is for hardy
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> doh
[02:59] <apachelogger> you need to remove certain deps
[02:59] <apachelogger> like kooka is no more, kdeprints is no more...
[02:59] <apachelogger> whatever it depends on
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> digikam doesn't build-depend on kooka, nothing does
[03:00] <apachelogger> well
[03:00] <apachelogger> then it should just work I guess
[03:00] <jjesse> real quick somewhat non kubuntu related:  if i checkout a bzr branch, then do a make install to build it, do i just do a bzr merge and make install to get the "latest" version of things?
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> if I had an Intrepid pbuilder environment
[03:01] <apachelogger> jjesse: yes
[03:01] <apachelogger> usually
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: digikam won't build. libkdcraw5 is a KDE 4.x package now
[03:08] <apachelogger> hooray
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> as is libkexiv2-dev
[03:09] <apachelogger> we could certainly reintroduce these libs as KDE 3 versions using a seperated -dev and stuff
[03:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: letz wait for the Riddell's opinion, but I think we really should just move from -kde4 to digikam in this case
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[08:06] <\sh> apachelogger: no chrome for me
[08:35] <apachelogger> \sh: my laptop got it :D
[08:35]  * apachelogger slept 4 hours! \o/
[08:41] <jussi01> nice work apachelogger
[08:41] <apachelogger> jussi01: on what?
[08:42] <jussi01> apachelogger: 4 hours sleep :P
[08:42] <apachelogger> well, wasn't too much work really
[08:42] <apachelogger> sebas: got an ETA already?
[08:55] <goatsocks> hm, clicking on System Settings -> Advanced -> Samba does nothing
[08:55] <goatsocks> `kcmshell4 kcmsambaconf` works, but not `kdesudo kcmshell4 kcmsambaconf`
[08:56] <goatsocks> kdesudo(19215) KdeSudo::KdeSudo: [ /build/buildd/kdesudo-3.2/kdesudo/kdesudo.cpp : 157 ]  creating xauth file:  "/usr/bin/xauth -q -f /tmp/kdesudo-T19215-xauth generate :0.0 . trusted timeout 60 >/dev/null 2>&1"
[08:56] <goatsocks> findServiceByDesktopPath: kcmsambaconf.desktop not found
[09:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: upstream don't want us to change to digikam-kde4, it's on my todo list to fix the libraries
[10:05] <seaLne> should inrepid pim stuff be fixed? my upgrade still fails
[10:06] <apachelogger> :|
[10:06] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.1.1a-0ubuntu1
[10:06] <apachelogger> seaLne: are you using a mirror?
[10:07] <seaLne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/42984/
[10:07] <seaLne> no
[10:07] <goatsocks> my mirror finally got everything a few hours ago
[10:08] <goatsocks> smooth upgrade after that
[10:08] <seaLne> well i'm usning archive.ubuntu.com but i presume you ment a non official one?
[10:09] <apachelogger> No, I meant antything but archive.ubuntu :S
[10:09] <apachelogger> seaLne: Please paste the error again.
[10:11] <seaLne> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/42988/
[10:14] <apachelogger> hm
[10:15] <apachelogger> seaLne: This file conflicts is certainly opening up a new jar of upgrade issues.
[10:15] <goatsocks> did you upload kdepim updates for hardy? ;)
[10:16] <apachelogger> goatsocks: Pardon?
[10:17] <goatsocks> apachelogger: i assumed he was on intrepid, but he's got hardy packages installed
[10:17] <seaLne> i'm trying to upgrade to intrepid
[10:18] <apachelogger> seaLne: I think these issues might not appear with update-manager
[10:22] <raphink> haha :)
[10:22] <raphink> I created myself a new blog and imported all the old posts on it
[10:23] <raphink> and then I updated the RSS URL on planet Ubuntu
[10:23] <raphink> and now my posts from 2005 are showing on planet!
[10:23] <raphink> lol
[10:23] <seaLne> flood?
[10:23] <raphink> like a post that said I just tested warty PPC
[10:23] <apachelogger> that's what you get from pythonplanetware :P
[10:23] <raphink> heh
[10:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase-runtime_4.1.1-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.diff
[10:35] <apachelogger> oh main is frozen -.-
[10:36] <apachelogger> though, IMHO a working trash plasmoid is making us provide a higher quality alpha5
[10:38]  * seaLne resorts to using a laptop after the failed upgrade kinda broke his work desktop :)
[10:39] <apachelogger> seaLne: you should just have grown your /boot and used update-manager
[10:39] <apachelogger> update-manager works
[10:40] <seaLne> its a seperate partition and the rest is lvm
[10:41] <seaLne> i presume i couldn't use u-m now anyway?
[10:41] <apachelogger> shouldn't that make things a lot easier?
[10:41] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[10:41] <apachelogger> I am trying to squash the issues with apt
[10:42] <apachelogger> smarter: did you check up on kepas?
[10:44] <smarter> nop
[10:45] <apachelogger> smarter: get that done, I want to nuke it from the todo
[10:45] <apachelogger> I am running out of space
[10:46] <smarter> ok
[10:53] <sebas> apachelogger: ~1400
[10:53] <apachelogger> sebas: thank you
[10:54] <sebas> You're welcome :)
[11:04] <smarter> apachelogger: should I rename the source or binary package to plasmoid-kepas?
[11:05] <apachelogger> smarter: binary, otherwise an archive admin needs to rereview it
[11:05] <smarter> ok
[11:28] <smarter> apachelogger: do you know a package which use a simple postinst to call ldconfig?
[11:28] <smarter> apachelogger: to solve E: plasmoid-kepas: postinst-must-call-ldconfig usr/lib/libkpf.so
[11:29] <apachelogger> seaLne: It appears the -dev is causing the only conflicts, or I am really lucky person.
[11:29] <apachelogger> smarter: I am not sure this is exactly necessary on ubuntu
[11:29] <smarter> ok, the package works fine otherwise
[11:30] <smarter> I'll push it to a bazaar branch
[11:31] <apachelogger> smarter: you can find a postinst.ex in dh-make
[11:31] <apachelogger> and for running ldconfig, just add it to the configure case
[11:32] <apachelogger> but I really don't think there is any point in doing this on ubuntu
[12:06] <apachelogger> smarter: how is kepas going?
[12:06] <smarter> apachelogger: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kepas/ubuntu :)
[12:07] <smarter> There's a few lintian errors and warnings, due to missing shlibs and things like that
[12:10] <apachelogger> smarter: can one use bzr-buildpackage for get-orig-svn?
[12:11] <smarter> apachelogger: not directy, you have to debian/rules get-orig-svn && mv *orig* .. && bzr bd --merge
[12:11] <smarter> pushed up revision 4, btw
[12:12] <apachelogger> ewww
[12:12] <apachelogger> feature request!
[12:12] <smarter> :)
[12:12] <smarter> but that could go into our bat-bzr script :P
[12:13] <apachelogger> the batscritps aren't exactly designed for anything but dark knight work :P
[12:32] <apachelogger> always these toolkit fights
[12:53]  * apachelogger doesn't have a clock or launcher since JontheEchidna broke his plasma
[12:53] <apachelogger> so I have no clue when I have to release 4.1.1
[12:53] <JontheEchidna> re-add them?
[12:53] <apachelogger> too much work
[12:53] <JontheEchidna> lol
[12:53] <smarter> when is it supposed to be launched?
[12:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it's 1:54 pm for you
[12:54] <apachelogger> thank you
[12:54] <smarter> and for me too :)
[12:54]  * apachelogger split views konqueror
[12:55] <apachelogger> smarter: fixed kepas FTBFS in r5
[12:56] <smarter> oh, I always forget quilt
[12:57] <apachelogger> qt4-x11 - 4.4.1-1ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1   apachelogger   Pending  Hardy  Libs
[12:57] <apachelogger> apparently I am pending hardy :P
[13:07] <apachelogger> sebas: the 'all SVN changes' links are broken in the changelog :(
[13:09] <sebas> Gnnnnnn.
[13:10] <sebas> I've no idea/time to fix that .. :/
[13:15] <apachelogger> sebas: ok, I'll look into it once I published all packages
[13:36] <ScottK> Would someone be up for writing a release note for Alpha 5 about knetworkmanager not working with networkmanager?
[13:59] <apachelogger> ryanakca: pling
[14:49] <smarter> where can I find a bigger version of http://www.kubuntu.org/themes/kubuntu-theme-v2/logo.png ?
[14:51] <seaLne> apachelogger: i seem to have conflicts on most kde -dev packages
[15:17] <sebas> apachelogger: lovely!
[15:50] <asfak> my wifi connection worked fine after alpha4 installation. but now, it no more works since last tuesday's update. Probably there was network (?) package that was updated. Now just lan works. I could see my wifi connection but could not connect.
[15:50]  * seaLne finished attacking his machine with --force overwrite and now has intrepid
[15:51] <seaLne> and weirdly dual head starrted working again :)
[15:51] <vorian> asfak: #kubuntu-kde4 our kde4 support channel, plenty of great folks to help out
[16:01] <asfak_> my wifi connection worked fine after alpha4 installation. but now, it no more works since last tuesday's update. Probably there was network (?) package that was updated. Now just lan works. I could see my wifi connection but could not connect. Sorry to repeat. I was disconnected.
[16:15] <smarter> asfak_: knetworkmanager is br0ken in alpha 5
[16:21] <apachelogger> \sh: are you still around?
[16:33] <astraljava> Hey guys, my humblest apologies if this is a dead horse I'm about to start beating, but is Alpha-5 coming according to the schedule? :)
[16:36] <nixternal> what were all of teh changes in kde4 in hardy ppa?
[16:36] <nixternal> hopefully good stuff :)
[16:38] <vorian> you nixternal!
[16:38] <vorian> yo, actually
[16:38] <vorian> bleh
[16:50] <jtechidna> ubottu: tell me about bug 264370
[17:27] <apachelogger> sebas: I add a new script to the changelogs dir to generate these changelog text files since none ever cared to document how to get them ... also uploaded the 4.1.1 ones
[17:35] <ScottK> astraljava: It's not out until it's out, but KDE 4.1.1 is fully built on the supported archs and the Kubuntu CDs are looking pretty good AFAIK.
[17:40] <astraljava> Thanks ScottK, I did download today's daily.
[17:41] <ScottK> IIRC there were two and you want the .1 one.
[17:42] <ScottK> 20080903.1
[17:46] <astraljava> Yup, that's the one I got.
[18:00] <Riddell> evening
[18:03] <ScottK> Good evening.
[18:03] <ScottK> Except for release noting I think we are in good shape for Alpha 5.
[18:05] <Riddell> really?
[18:06] <Riddell> so this was overcome?  12:11 < pitti> Riddell: ouch, seems that kubuntu livefses have failed to build since 20080819
[18:06] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:06] <ScottK> If I read #ubuntu-release correctly it turned out today's failure were failure to log, not failure to build.
[18:12] <smarter> Riddell: do you know where I could find a bigger version of http://www.kubuntu.org/themes/kubuntu-theme-v2/logo.png ?
[18:13] <Riddell> smarter: KubuntuArtwork ?
[18:14] <smarter> thanks ;)
[18:19] <ScottK> Riddell: That is unless you'd like to jump up and fix knetworkmanager so we don't need the release note.
[18:20] <Riddell> ScottK: I've no idea how to fix knetworkmanager I'm afraid, it needs API changes and that needs someone who understands how it works
[18:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Quit kidding us, we know you know ALL about all this stuff.
[18:20] <ScottK> ;-)
[18:23] <Riddell> I have some compile fixes for it
[18:23] <Riddell> but it doesn't make it work
[18:24] <ScottK> Nothing that it's worth trying to push onto the Alpha 5 image then.
[18:33] <asfak__> smarter, if knetwork is broken in alpha5, is there anyway i can use my wifi in kubIntr5 ?
[18:33] <smarter> asfak__: either use the network manager from gnome(nm-applet) or manually edit the /etc/network/interfaces file, like in the good old days :)
[18:34] <asfak__> ok
[18:43] <asfak> windows partition are not automounted as in ubuntu. will it remain the same in final release ?
[18:49] <jtechidna> What do you do when apport retraces fail?
[18:50] <jtechidna> Reject the bug?
[18:52] <Nightrose> jtechidna: can you do anything else with it?
[18:52] <Nightrose> if not then close ;-)
[18:52] <jtechidna> bug 264402
[18:53] <jtechidna> basically is no more use than telling us it crashed
[18:56] <Nightrose> jtechidna: then maybe ask when this happened?
[18:56] <vorian> looks like it happened about an hour ago
[18:56] <Nightrose> oO
[18:56]  * Nightrose pokes vorian 
[18:56] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:56] <vorian> ouch!
[18:56]  * vorian steals a bandage from Nightrose 
[18:57] <Nightrose> I have bandages?
[18:57] <Nightrose> cool
[18:58] <vorian> you did have bandages :)
[18:58] <Nightrose> hehe
[18:58] <vorian> hmmm
[18:58] <vorian> kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu2
[19:16] <jtechidna> apachelogger: yo, got chrome to work in wine
[19:17] <jtechidna> needs some tweaks to be usable though
[20:15]  * Arby slips in looking a bit sheepish
[20:15] <Arby> somehow I managed to completely miss the existence of kde 4.1.1
[20:15] <Arby> not good
[20:17] <Arby> so where are we in the grand scheme of world domination :)
[20:19] <jtechidna> lookin' good
[20:20] <Arby> excellent :)
[20:20] <Arby> if there are no pressing packaging tasks I better find myself something to do
[20:21]  * Arby grabs a daily iso to build a VM
[20:34] <_gunni_> Will digikam0.10 get in intrepid, or does it not catch up in time?
[20:42] <jtechidna> _gunni_: probably not 0.10 final
[20:44] <_gunni_> Ok, so if its beta till then it will be included anyway?
[20:45] <jtechidna> beta1 is already in Intrepid
[20:48] <_gunni_> thx
[22:03] <ryanakca> apachelogger: plong :)
[22:59] <claydoh> Nightrose: composing a reply to your email
[22:59] <Nightrose> claydoh: \o/
[22:59] <Nightrose> take your time :P
[23:01] <claydoh> I will, I am starting dinner and am not a speedy composer :)
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bug 264506
[23:06] <seaLne> is that just the error about kde4 not existing anymore?
[23:07] <seaLne> hmm no
[23:08] <seaLne> during the upgrade i got asked twice about dm first including kdm-kde4 then 2nd time withough which i guess some people would find confusing
[23:09] <seaLne> kdm started fine for me but complained the saved setting of kdm-kde4 was no longer available that bug is different i guess
[23:10] <seaLne> err not kdm-kde4 i mean kde4
[23:12] <seaLne> i presume anyone that didn't use kubuntu-members-kde4 packages in kde4 will probably upgrade alot better than anyone that did
[23:12] <seaLne> s/kde4/hardy/ sorry my thinking is curently lagging behind typing
[23:15] <seaLne> JontheEchidna: so my experience of upgrading yesterday/today didn't experience that bug
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> cool
[23:16] <seaLne> but i did have to beat my upgarde with --force overwrite quite a lot
[23:17] <seaLne> i think that was mainly due to the state of packages in the archive at that time?
[23:17] <seaLne> kdepim-- :)
[23:20] <seaLne> and with the exception of plasma crashes and a strange grey background on my 1st head i'm pretty happy with intrepid
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> nice
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> I think there were some fixes in the 4.1.1 packages that fixed the need for force-overwrite for kdepim packages
[23:27] <seaLne> not as of today unfortunatly
[23:28] <seaLne> but apachelogger was working on it
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> ah, so you've upgraded recently then ;-)
[23:28] <seaLne> tbh i think i probably picked a really bad time to try to dist-upgrade
[23:31] <seaLne> the upgrade fixed my problem of dual head only working if i manually ran X then xrandr then startkde which was weird (ati dual head card)
[23:33] <seaLne> using kde from kdm now actually honours the xorg.conf instructions :)
[23:50] <goatsocks> is there currently any way to disable the glx extension without manually molesting xorg.conf?
[23:50] <goatsocks> don't see anything in Login Manager for xserver args