[01:21] <zerwas> kwwii: Thanks for packaging the themes in your PPA!
[01:34] <Cimi> even if they are ugly!
[01:34] <Cimi> ahahah
[01:34]  * Cimi jokes
[03:56] <DanaG> http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/ -- hmm, now it uses the second revision Heron.
[04:17] <rsc_> hey fellas.
[07:51] <ambrin> hello
[12:25] <CIA-42> acimitan * r55 murrine/ (ChangeLog src/murrine_style.c):
[12:25] <CIA-42> 2008-09-03 Andrea Cimitan <andrea.cimitan@gmail.com>
[12:25] <CIA-42>  * src/murrine_style.c (murrine_style_realize):
[12:25] <CIA-42>  Reworked contrast function, your themes may change
[12:50] <CIA-42> acimitan * r56 murrine/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[12:50] <CIA-42> 2008-09-03 Andrea Cimitan <andrea.cimitan@gmail.com>
[12:50] <CIA-42>  * src/murrine_draw.c (murrine_draw_tab), (murrine_draw_separator),
[12:50] <CIA-42>  (murrine_draw_toolbar), (murrine_draw_statusbar),
[12:50] <CIA-42>  (murrine_draw_resize_grip):
[12:50] <CIA-42>  * src/murrine_draw_rgba.c (murrine_rgba_draw_tab):
[12:50] <CIA-42>  * src/murrine_style.c (murrine_style_realize):
[12:55] <rsc_> hey fellas.
[12:55] <Cimi1> oh finally
[12:55] <Cimi1> _MMA_: sorry for the spam, just remembered to remove it
[12:56] <Cimi1> anyway I have reworked the contrast function, now works really well
[13:06] <_MMA_> :)
[13:10] <thorwil> hi ho!
[13:42] <thorwil> kwwii, _MMA_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/09/02/%23ubuntu-meeting.html at the bottom, 22:01
[13:43]  * _MMA_ clicks
[13:46] <_MMA_> thorwil: I've had absolutely no doubt that community theme will or could be in Ubuntu. It's the default process that's the issue. In the end, Mark has said nothing new in that log.
[13:47] <thorwil> _MMA_: a main target audience suggestion directly from him is new to me
[13:48] <thorwil> _MMA_: i think we should join forces and see if the icon train can be made to role on the rails fresh out of project kyudo ;)
[13:49] <_MMA_> Sure.
[13:49] <thorwil> sadly i had to accept a not at all exciting half-day job, which could have quite an impact on my productivity
[13:50] <_MMA_> Ill will be working alot soon as well. But it shouldn't effect my ability to *manage* the technical side of this new icon set effort.
[13:51] <kwwii> erm, which part of the log is interesting?
[13:51] <kwwii> sorry, I see it now
[13:52] <thorwil> _MMA_: i have to do a little work for the countdown banners, as that will be a now or never job. then i hope i can finish the outline of kyudo, put it on the wiki, let you know first and perhaps right after announce on list
[13:53] <_MMA_> thorwil: Sure. Ill have the framework of the iconset wiki pages up in a day or so.
[13:53] <kwwii> I have heard much of that same stuff before, nothing really new...it is important to point out that promises like that have really pissed people off in the past though
[13:53] <thorwil> kwwii: as i mentined the countdown banners, i have to thank you for giving me the inspiration for the spiraling dots ;)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/IntrepidCountdownBanners
[13:54] <thorwil> kwwii: you mean regarding getting themes shipped?
[13:56] <rsc_> hey guys.
[13:56] <thorwil> hi rsc_
[13:56] <_MMA_> Yeah. Not to be a pessimist but there's really nothing new there. :( What we *will* accomplish with this new set is that it will be so good it will *have* to be default. :P
[13:56] <thorwil> rsc_: are you properly subscribed to the art list now?
[13:56] <rsc_> i think so.
[13:57] <_MMA_> I don't think there will be enough space for it otherwise. :)
[13:57] <rsc_> I'm using nabble, does that mean i'm 'properly subscribed'?
[13:57] <thorwil> uhm, no
[13:57] <rsc_> oops
[13:57] <rsc_> what's the best way to read through the list?
[13:58] <_MMA_> Well he's been replying to the list.
[13:58] <_MMA_> HE should be on unless Ken is putting his posts through.
[13:58] <thorwil> rsc_: while everyone should use what serves him best, i share _MMA_ impresion that you didn't notice all mails
[13:58] <rsc_> ah, sorry aobut that.
[13:59] <_MMA_> He could have subscribed late. :)
[13:59] <rsc_> yeah, i miss a few.
[13:59] <kwwii> I have not been putting anyone's posts through
[13:59] <thorwil> rsc_: so not using nabble myself, i can only suggest that you subscribe directly with you email adress
[13:59] <kwwii> too much time wasted on that
[13:59] <kwwii> so if you can post to the list, you are on it
[13:59] <_MMA_> But I don't know how "nabble" works.
[13:59] <thorwil> me neither, apparently
[14:00] <rsc_> i remember i ended up on nabble while googling for ubuntu art discussions.
[14:00] <rsc_> i thought it was a message board at first actually
[14:00] <thorwil> heh
[14:00] <rsc_> heh :)
[14:00] <thorwil> it often appears high in search result for all lists that run there
[14:02] <rsc_> are we really going with the orange folder icons, btw?
[14:02] <_MMA_> Yes
[14:02] <rsc_> heh okay :)
[14:22] <_MMA_> thorwil: Looks like you have a +1 for ﻿"Umoya" from kwwii.
[15:09] <kwwii> oops, server reboot
[15:09] <_MMA_> :)
[15:22] <Cimi> kwwii: new feature for murrine
[15:22] <Cimi> kwwii: I've rewritten the contrast function now it works muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch better
[15:26] <_MMA_> :P
[15:33] <Cimi> http://www.cimitan.com/tmp/new-contrast
[15:33] <Cimi> screenshot
[15:33] <Cimi> 0.2, 1.0 and 1.5
[15:33] <Cimi> you can see how well it is managed
[15:35] <_MMA_> Nice. :)
[15:38] <_MMA_> Cimi: How would you ﻿translate "un pezzo alla volta" into English? If you can try. :)
[15:38] <Cimi> which context?
[15:39] <_MMA_> "﻿bit off more than you could chew" Maybe?
[15:39] <Cimi> i would say step by step
[15:40] <_MMA_> Ok. I think I got it.
[16:01]  * thorwil would like to have a contrast slider in appearance settings
[16:02] <thorwil> as i think it helps to adapt the theme to varying viewing conditions and eyesight of the user
[16:04] <_MMA_> Nice idea.
[16:05] <andreasn> thorwil: like screen brightness controls you mean?
[16:06] <_MMA_> I think something that just controls the theme. Like the current color controls.
[16:06] <thorwil> andreasn: rather screen contrast. the effect is slightly different, though
[16:06] <_MMA_> I think XFCE has brightness/color controls.
[16:07] <thorwil> troy could turn down contrast to declunck to his lighting, while my mother could increase it for her old eyes ;)
[16:07] <siekacz> is it possible, that wall light will be implented in 8.10?
[16:08] <thorwil> _MMA_: i know that KDE had such a slider. maybe still has
[16:08] <andreasn> thorwil: I'm just thinking that you might not only fix the contrast for the controls, but for the content as well
[16:08] <andreasn> like websites or so
[16:08] <thorwil> hmm
[16:09] <thorwil> s/lighting/liking
[16:10] <andreasn> I would certainly like a brightness/color tool in GNOME control center though
[16:10] <_MMA_> ﻿siekacz: Wall light is only "pretty". (to some) What actual code is there is buggy. There is no license to the wallpaper and IMO looks too much like a Mac layout. (this is a chat carried over from #ubuntu-devel)
[16:10] <andreasn> maybe I can bring the idea up with Thomas Wood
[16:11] <siekacz> current theme ism't "pretty" at all
[16:12] <_MMA_> Everyone has their own opinion.
[16:12] <thorwil> no, i havn't!! ;)
[16:12] <_MMA_> In any case, "Wall Light" isn't going into Ubuntu.
[16:12] <siekacz> Ubuntu has the same theme since... 6.06?
[16:13] <_MMA_> There are more reasons that aesthetic ones.
[16:13] <thorwil> siekacz: do you want to be productive in some way or continue to complain here?
[16:15] <_MMA_> siekacz: Trust me. This is a chat this channel has seen all too many times. We have an answer for everything. It's not gonna happen. :) I welcome your work to get "Wall Light" from a concept (more or less) to a fully functioning reality.
[16:16] <siekacz> Human is just a little bit... poor, Ubuntu needs some changes. i think you will agree with me?
[16:17] <_MMA_> People have agreed for a while. Being in agreement doesn't do anything. Work does. :)
[16:17] <thorwil> in some way, the whole existance of this channel and the art mailing list is about change ;)
[16:17] <_MMA_> This really isn't a chat I wanna have for the 100th time so I'll just hush.
[16:18] <_MMA_> thorwil: Did you see that kwwii liked ﻿"Umoya"?
[16:18] <thorwil> _MMA_: i saw you telling me
[16:18] <_MMA_> Ok.
[16:19] <thorwil> _MMA_: i only hope isizulu isn't a scam ;)
[16:19] <thorwil> like, it actually means stench or something :)
[16:19] <_MMA_> If there is no stand out name over the next day Ill go with that. We can always change it. ;)
[16:19] <_MMA_> :P
[16:20] <siekacz> is something going to change in Ubuntu(maybe not in 8.10, but 9.04, 9.10 etc)?
[16:21] <_MMA_> Things change in every release. Just not as radically as people might want. So its safe to say, yes. Things will change.
[16:22] <Cimi> I ported Google Chrome's design using the new contrast function in few easy steps :)
[16:22] <_MMA_> hahahah. Nice. :)
[16:24] <Cimi> http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5339/schermatawz3.png
[16:25] <siekacz> hmmm... Nice theme...
[16:39] <kwwii> _MMA_: did you ask the guy who made the wall light stuff about the license?
[16:39] <kwwii> ohhh, a baby blue UI
[16:40] <_MMA_> kwwii: As I don't personally care for the theme, I haven't dug into it.
[16:40] <kwwii> _MMA_: cool, just wanted to ask...I'd like to put that wood bg in and see what people think
[16:41] <_MMA_> Sure. Maybe as paid art guy you can track down a license. :)
[16:42] <kwwii> I sent him an email, but thought if you already knew it might be quicker :-)
[16:43] <_MMA_> Naa... I know only what we talked about the other day.
[16:49] <siekacz> Someone eho created Wall Light, created a problem for ubuntu-artwork team too ;)
[16:49] <siekacz> *who
[16:51] <rsc_> re: wall light background, i think it wouldn't be hard to track down a similar wood texture (from royalty-free sources) and create a background for Ubuntu.
[16:52] <rsc_> *ponders*
[16:52]  * thorwil suspects such a wood design is one of those things that appear to be simple, but are tricky to get right
[16:53] <siekacz> bbl
[16:55] <thorwil> the google chrome comic is brilliant
[16:57] <_MMA_> rsc_: Go to a flooring store and take pictures. It's totally doable to copy. Will just take the right person.
[16:58] <kwwii> _MMA_: freaky, I just now recieved your email about the system sounds
[16:58] <rsc_> haha speaking of wood, here's something I threw together a few months back.  just thought i'd share. http://customize.org/screenshots/57766
[16:58] <_MMA_> kwwii: Odd.
[16:58] <thorwil> kwwii, _MMA_ same here
[16:59] <_MMA_> rsc_: Has my Studio logo but not really a "Studio" feel. That said, it looks nice.
[17:00] <thorwil> outdoor studio feel :)
[17:00] <_MMA_> :)
[17:00] <rsc_> ah, yeah. wasn't really trying a "studio" feel but I just thought it was nice to have.
[17:01] <rsc_> more of a "for personal use" desktop than a "for mass consumption" one, anyway. :)
[17:01] <_MMA_> rsc_: The Studio art for Intrepid+1 is *WIDE* open. If you're interested, stick around.
[17:01] <rsc_> cool.
[17:02] <_MMA_> Well wide open other than *having* to be a dark theme.
[17:03] <kwwii> wow, that link killed my FF
[17:03] <kwwii> !you sunk my battleship!
[17:03] <thorwil> lol
[17:04] <rsc_> !you know the last digit of pi, don't you?
[17:04] <rsc_> heh :)
[17:16] <_MMA_> !pi
[17:52] <thorwil> from #ubuntu-desktop: <lapo>  is oxygen+human really going to be the default icon theme on gnome for hardy+1?
[17:53] <_MMA_> thorwil: Ask him to come in here.
[17:53] <thorwil> did
[17:53] <_MMA_> k
[17:54] <_MMA_> thorwil: Lemmie know if more is said and If I need to go there.
 thorwil: this one sounds a tad scary to me: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-September/007559.html
[17:56] <_MMA_> Doesn't have a clue. Oh well. Here's the place to talk about it anyhow.
 lapo: you should read there. word for word. don't jump to conclusions. don't start silly rumors. pick the appropriate channel!
[17:57] <_MMA_> :P
[17:57] <_MMA_> I can just see this all getting Dugg or some crap.
[18:00] <thorwil> digg isn't all that bad. it's just like a giant horde of sheep that shit all over your place and move on. there are also some signs of intelligence in between, but you have to wash the shit away first
[18:01]  * thorwil -> dinner
[18:01] <_MMA_> With having moved 2 kids out of diapers already, I'm done washin' shit. :P
[18:37] <thorwil> _MMA_: i bet Umoya is way more google friendly than Breath and much less likely to be misunderstood as just the word ;)
[18:38] <_MMA_> Yeah. It's gonna be a tough choice. I'd pick a Zulu or African word that was a more direct translation of "Breathe" if I could.
[18:41] <_MMA_> Ubuntu Studio was going to be called "Dala Linux" at one point. dala=create in Zulu
[18:41] <thorwil> oxygen in japanese: sanso
[18:42] <thorwil> breath: kokyuu, kisoku, ibuki, iki
[18:43] <_MMA_> Hmm.... Don't think we should stick closer to something African? Though, I'm fine trying to pull in other cultures.
[18:43] <thorwil> _MMA_: was just a thought because i picked kyudo ;)
[18:44] <thorwil> i prefer umoya simply based on imaginary pronunciation :)
[18:45] <_MMA_> Yeah. I *think* I'll go with "Breathe" for now. Work under that and see how names go. We can always change later. What's important now is that work starts.
[18:45] <thorwil> with e? oh
[18:46] <_MMA_> Yeah. See my last post to the ML? I can't spell. :)
[18:46] <_MMA_> ﻿"Breathe - Because humans need oxygen". Man I like that. :)
[18:46] <thorwil> lets have a boozy icon in that theme ;)
[18:47] <_MMA_> "boozy"?
[18:47] <thorwil> "to have boozy breath"
[18:47]  * thorwil was looking in the dictionary
[18:47] <_MMA_> Like you've been drinkin'? :)
[18:48] <thorwil> yes. doesn't really  work with breathe, though
[18:49] <_MMA_> But a funny nod to all the beer references in free software. :P
[19:08] <_MMA_> Hell with it. I'm pullin the trigger.
[19:08] <thorwil> *bang*
[19:13] <DanaG> Interesting names here:  http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_design.html
[19:13] <DanaG> Not saying you should use them; just saying it's cool that they use creative ones.
[19:14] <DanaG> ... and the corresponding wallpapers:  http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/
[19:33] <Delts> Not sure if this is the right place to ask but I need help with a couple of icon issues.  First is I'm using the glass icons theme (version 0.2 on gnome-look) and it has a firefox icon, but it doesn't change it when I apply the icon theme.
[19:34] <Delts> My second issue, is there anyway to change the ubuntu logo in the top left whilst using a custom icon set (glass icons is what I'm aiming to use again).  I want to change it to the ubuntustudio icon since this is what I'm using